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Rebeccak
03-26-2006, 10:44 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015-Announcement2.jpg

Welcome to the FIFTEENTH thread of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop!!!

This workshop is open to any medium and any style. Some informal moderation
will be gladly provided by Rebecca Kimmel ~ however, the purpose of the
Workshop is for Artists to interact with and informally critique one another’s work.


Due to the popularity and outstanding success of the previous Master Copy Workshops, we will be continuing this week with another Master Copy Workshop! However, those who choose to do so may also work from Reference from Hong Ly's Website, www.characterdesigns.com (http://www.characterdesigns.com/).
This week we will be working from a choice of 2 new Master Paintings by Caravaggio:

Note: This Workshop will last at least 3, and possibly 4 weeks. Depending on how far people get in 3 weeks, we may extend the time period to 4 weeks.

Choice 1: (See below for links)

Caravaggio (1571-1610)
The Entombment
Oil on canvas, 1602-1603
118 x 79 7/8 inches (300 x 203 cm)
Pinacoteca, Rome

Choice 2: (See below for links)

Caravaggio (1571-1610)
Supper at Emmaus
Oil on canvas, 1601-1602
54 5/8 x 76 3/4 inches (139 x 195 cm)
National Gallery, London

Choice 3: (See below for links)

Male Reference Image #1 from www.characterdesigns.com (http://www.characterdesigns.com)

Choice 4: (See below for links)

Male Reference Image #2 from www.characterdesigns.com (http://www.characterdesigns.com)


>>RULES FOR THE THREADS<<




1. Photographs are the property of artrenewal.org (http://www.artrenewal.org/) and are copyrighted as such.

2. The drawings created from the photo reference provided here MUST be TASTEFUL, SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, and for the purpose of serious study of the human figure. Those who post silly, disrespectful, or tasteless work will have their posts deleted immediately
and will no longer be allowed to post on this thread. Rebecca Kimmel reserves the right to determine which drawings are considered to be in poor taste and / or disrespectful to the Reference used here in the OFDWs.3. There is NO TIME LIMIT for posting on this thread.

3. Typically, new threads containing new photographs will be posted on a bi-weekly basis ~ however, for this Workshop, 3~4 weeks will be allowed before the next OFDW.

4. There is NO LIMIT to the NUMBER of posts an artist may make. However, we ask that you post only your BEST WORK, even if it is considered unfinished.

5. Artists who post comments and critiques of other artists' work on this thread must be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, and offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Flaming will be NOT be tolerated, and constitutes dismissal from this and other threads.

6. I will be offering the occasional comments / critique ~ however, the main focus of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop threads should be on Group Critique and interaction. :)

7. ANY MEDIUM or STYLE may be used: Traditional or Digital Drawing or Painting, Gestural, Sketch, Finished Render, etc.

8. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

9. Please limit the SIZE of your POSTS to 800 pixels WIDTH x Appropriate pixel LENGTH. No huge posts, please!

10. Have fun, enjoy, and create great art! :)


LINKS to Images: WARNING: Nudity:

>>>REFERENCE IMAGE #1, The Entombment (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=3747): Master Painting by Caravaggio (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=3747)<<<

>>>Alternate REFERENCE IMAGE source (same painting as above): Master Painting by (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/The_Entombment_WGA.jpg)Caravaggio (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/The_Entombment_WGA.jpg)<<<

~~~

>>>REFERENCE IMAGE #2, Supper at Emmaus: Master Painting by Caravaggio (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=3758)<<<

>>>Alternate REFERENCE IMAGE source (same painting as above): Master Painting by (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/Supper_at_Emmaus1_WGA_small.jpg)Caravaggio (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/Supper_at_Emmaus1_WGA_small.jpg)<<<

~~~

REFERENCE IMAGE #3, (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/Photoset_011_008.jpg)Male Reference #1 (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/Photoset_011_008.jpg)

~~~

REFERENCE IMAGE #4, (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/Photoset_011_021.jpg)Male Reference #2 (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/Photoset_011_021.jpg)

~~~

PLEASE NOTE: WIP (Work In Progress) images are an important part of the OFDWs and are encouraged. Please DO post WIP images as you work on your pieces. :)

PLEASE NOTE THAT WHILE THE CONTENT OF THE CARAVAGGIO PAINTINGS IS RELIGIOUS IN NATURE, THIS IS IN NO WAY AN ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION OF ANY KIND.

Good luck! :)



~Rebeccak

LoTekK
03-27-2006, 03:40 AM
I think I'm in this time round. :p

daWinky
03-27-2006, 04:13 AM
Good morning everyone!

Good to see that the next OFDW is online now, some interesting references, Becca...this seems to be an opportunity for me to practise some cloth painting;) , the choice is not easy this time...

-sabrina

Rebeccak
03-27-2006, 04:18 AM
Teck,

You think, therefore you are! :D

Heya Sabie!

I've just seen the link to your OFDW piece in the Gallery, that's fantastic! :bounce: Can't wait to see your beautiful contribution here! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

depleteD
03-27-2006, 04:56 AM
I'm glad u combined the refrence intho this, i dont think that ill have time to do the master copys. But man those masters are awesome.

Elliepower
03-27-2006, 09:09 AM
Hi Rebeccak,

I am new here, but watching for some time the beautyful pictures. But now it is time to start something big, I think for me this is perhaps too big. But how do we say in Germany: Take a jump into fresh water. :)

I don't know what is the right way to start, so I tried this. Also I don't know much about painting, but a few things I recognized: not to pick colors from the original, do not trace, forget lines and never give up if you failed.

cu,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip01.jpg

Amerasu
03-27-2006, 12:56 PM
Wow, big huge paintings! I think I'll attempt The Entombment. I learned an awful lot about skintones doing the Bouguereau and think I could learn much about lighting from this one. I really struggle with that.

Speaking of Bouguereau, I think he's become my new favourite. I've been closely studying all of this paintings at Art Renewal and am often stunned at his skill. Beautiful work so thanks for the intro Rebecca! I'd never heard of him before 012 :)

aggie93
03-27-2006, 01:05 PM
Hey everyone. I think I will have to step out on this one. I have to get serious about studying for my exam at the end of April. I will do the next one. I will watch yall though! Good luck everyone!

DigitalSol
03-27-2006, 02:33 PM
From long long time I had been here at CG talk, and I haven't post anything yet because I didn't have enough level for compete with u talented guys and gals, this will be my first try, even if this is a hard challege, have fun everyone

Rebeccak
03-27-2006, 02:45 PM
depleteD,

No worries, hoping you'll participate with the characterdesign reference! :thumbsup:

Elliepower,

Welcome aboard! :) Great to see the start of your piece, it looks like you have a strong beginning here! It's great that you're mapping out all of the base colors, I just recommending putting down your darks first and building up the lights. Good luck, looking forward to your progress! :)

Amerasu,

Great to see you on board for this one, and can't wait to see what you do! :) Bouguereau was not unknown to me before, but I confess that I didn't really look at his work much until I heard his name mentioned a lot on the forums. I'm really glad I gave his work a new look! :)

aggie93,

We'll look forward to your participation as a cheerleader! :)

Digital Sol,

Just do the best you can, that's what we're all here for! ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Elliepower
03-27-2006, 04:50 PM
Hi,

try to do my best. I think the characters in my version will never look like in the original. Boooh. And so much to do... can I only put a peanut on the table instead of those many food? :D

LG,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip02.jpg

DigitalSol
03-27-2006, 05:11 PM
ElliePower's is looking great!!, why I can't begging with the paint like all u do? I don't know, but for me all is ezest with a lineart

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/WIP1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/WIP2.jpg

I'm at work right now, so, I work in this from time to time, I hope somebody could give me an opinion, thanks.

Rebeccak
03-27-2006, 05:22 PM
Elliepower,

Great update! :) The things to watch are the foreground left figure ~ his figure / head should be quite a bit larger I think since he is in the foreground. Really nice work with the central figure and the figure on the right! :thumbsup:

Digital Sol,

Nothing wrong with starting with linework! The 'old masters' certainly started with well~planned drawings before ever tackling paint. :) In fact, there is a saying which you may know which goes, 'Drawing IS Painting'. Looking forward to your next update! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

LoTekK
03-27-2006, 05:43 PM
Elliepower: Holy crap that was quick! :eek:
Digital Sol: Everyone has their own way of working, so don't worry at all about laying down the foundations through linework. Besides, your lines are looking solid. :thumbsup:

Zephyri
03-27-2006, 06:41 PM
Oh man! You had to launch the caravaggio one just as I figure out there's another challenge running that I've missed a month on already. And not only that, you put Hong Ly's references of guy with gun, probably my next biggest weakness after big red monsters... aye aye aye... I need a clone, darn it. Will do my utmost to join in this time!

Elliepower
03-27-2006, 07:15 PM
Hi Rebeccak,

thx, I can't see anything for today anymore. And my hand is aching.

@ Digital Sol

A friend told me not to take lines, though it is a possibility to start painting. For me it is a very bad way, cause I nearly totally ignore shadow and light so the result ist very flatten and it looks horrible. Other people don't have any problems with it.

Your lineart is very fine, I like it a lot. And don't be afraid to make mistakes, for me the beginning is quiet simple... but then I often struggle and give up. Some problems to be patient... hmpf.

Bye,
Ellie

Jack Shannon
03-27-2006, 08:00 PM
This looks good fun, I think I will try the Supper at Emmaus one.

Great work everyone!

Rebeccak
03-27-2006, 08:16 PM
Zepyhri,

We'd love to have you! Break out the cloning machine! :thumbsup:

Elliepower,

Absolutely no worries. ;) This Workshop will run for approximately 4 weeks, so you have plenty of time. :)

Jack Shannon,

That's great that you will be participating! Looking forward to seeing your work. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-27-2006, 11:24 PM
Hello everyone, thanks for the support, and the crits, that means lots to me since they came from such talented people like u all, I use the lineart as base for all my paintings, here is the linework for this.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmaus2.jpg

This is the result after sketching 5 times, and clean it up at Photoshop, I think will work an underpainting after this.

I hope u comment any crit is good for me, thanks

Rebeccak
03-27-2006, 11:30 PM
Digital Sol,

Lovely linework on this! I really look forward to seeing the start of your painting! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
03-28-2006, 02:10 AM
A rough beginning:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_01.jpg

Elliepower
03-28-2006, 07:47 AM
Hi,

@Digital Sol I don't know why you worry, it looks very good.

@ Rebeccak *ohhhhmmm*

A little working on the background and cleaning the table. Hehe, the peanut is just a placeholder. The face of the man in the front is a bit bigger now. I hope the propotioons are right, caus it always looks funny if for example a cup is too small or thin.

And I recognized that there is no green in the Original, but I found another version that I like much more.

Greets,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip03.jpg

Rebeccak
03-28-2006, 01:26 PM
Elliepower,

This is looking really good! I think the rendering of the face of the rightmost character in particular is coming along beautifully! :wip: You might want to saturate or deepen your colors just a bit more...I think if you start to bring everything up to the level of the character on the right, you will be in top shape! :cool:

Great work so far, can't wait to see your further progress! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-28-2006, 02:27 PM
Heya, I always beggin with an underpainting, almost for all, it gives me a general look for all the scene, I'm using 2 layers one for the background and other for the foreground (the characters), this is a rough version and still want to leave the details untill the end

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmausunder.jpg

Elliepower, thanks for your opinion, your characters looks great, your color palette is fantastic, Im not that good applying the colors directly, I love your scene's mood.

PS that green athmosphere looks terrific, I like it very much.

Rebeccak, thats an stunning beggining, it gives me much the impression of deep. I like it very much.

Thanks to everyone.

Rebeccak
03-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Digital Sol,

Great progress, it looks like you're very nicely methodical about your approach! :thumbsup: It's great to see so much good work already...looking forward to seeing more work from everyone! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-28-2006, 06:23 PM
Hello everyone, I could get some time for work on the piece, here is the 3rd figure

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmaus3.jpg

I hope u can give me an opinion about the painting, thanks

Rebeccak
03-28-2006, 06:40 PM
Digital Sol,

I think this will start looking great when you really start to push the value / dark / light relationships, and begin adding lighter highlights and experimenting with hard / soft edges. Looking great so far! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-28-2006, 06:48 PM
Sorry, I didn't understand at all, ur hint Rebecca, my english is not good enough, what do u mean?

you really start to push the value / dark / light relationships
~Rebeccak

More contrast?,I really aprecciate ur critics and coments, I would like u clear it up for me please.

Rebeccak
03-28-2006, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Digital Sol: More contrast?
Yep! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

aggie93
03-28-2006, 07:16 PM
Wow there are a lot of new faces to this OFDW and everyone seems to be pluggin along quite nicely. Ok rebecca, here we go...


Rah Rah Rah!:beer:

From... if your from Aggieland... your YELL LEADER! :thumbsup:

DigitalSol
03-28-2006, 10:59 PM
Yep! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak


Ah, got it, thanks :thumbsup:

DigitalSol
03-28-2006, 11:59 PM
This is the last for the day, I'm about to finish the first of the 3 pass for the underpainting, In the next step I will try to put emphasis, on the contrast,

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmausunder2.jpg

any critic is welcome

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 12:06 AM
Great progress so far! :thumbsup: I need to catch up with you! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 12:15 AM
Thanks a lot Rebecca, glad to hear it, What means catch up with me?, sorry, bad english, u know...


Great progress so far! :thumbsup: I need to catch up with you! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 01:25 AM
Digital Sol,

I just mean that I have a lot of work to do. ;)

Update :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_02.jpg

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 05:18 AM
About as far as I got tonight...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_03.jpg

daWinky
03-29-2006, 05:32 AM
Good morning everyone!


:surprised Work with the speed of lightning, Becca, Elliepower and Digital Sol ...and really good too:thumbsup: !
I should begin with something, otherwise you're finished before I start:D .
Hopefully I find some time this evening...

-sabrina

Elliepower
03-29-2006, 06:18 AM
Good Morning,

@Digital Sol
I do not see where there is any problem for you. It looks fantastic to me. Go on... hehooo :)!

@da Winky
Don't panic, I start fast and furious but there'll be a point of "time is running through my hands", rofl... actually I put the 3 layers together, funny mistake cause I forgot to save the pic before.

@Rebeccak
I like the way you construct the figures a lot. For me there is the problem (or fear) that the picture would be too blurry. How do you manage this?

It is an exciting adventure to see the different ways you all start and how the proceedure goes on.

*smile*
Ellie

Jack Shannon
03-29-2006, 02:39 PM
Wow really nice work guys, fast progress.

My attempt, just blocking stuff in, trying to get things in right places.
Rebecca how do you get your work so shiny?

http://www.exoload.com/uploads/306/1143646614.jpg

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 02:49 PM
Sabie,
Hey there, can't wait to have you join in! :bounce:

Elliepower,

Heh, thanks! :) I think I'm the only person who likes blur in a picture :D but I just personally don't like too much sharpness...I seem to be in the minority, but it's just the way I am. :) If you use a smaller brush size set to a low opacity and flow, you can still manage to get sharp edges. And I alternate quite a bit between varying brush softness / hardness using the Shift + [ and Shift + ] shortcuts, where Shift + [ makes the brush softer, and Shift + ] makes the brush harder.

Jack,

Great to see your start here! :thumbsup: Shiny? Lol. :) I think the painting has a somewhat shimmering appearance mainly due to the value relationships. Once you start to blend, and tweak value relationships in a subtle way, it becomes almost a process of working with 2D clay ~ sort of pushing forms back with darker values, and bringing forms forward with lighter values. It's also key to use alternately softer and harder edges (though I'm obviously partial to softer edges) :D, the manipulation of edges is a big factor in determining what stands out to the viewer, and what recedes. Hope this makes sense. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 03:07 PM
Good morning everyone, this some of my progress.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmaus1.jpg

The table is set.

Ellipower, many thanks, glad to hear that it likes u.
Rebecca, great work , cant wait to see what's next.

Thanks

Elliepower
03-29-2006, 03:11 PM
Hi,

now, here is my next step. It begins to get boring... and I loose some of my patience.

Hmpf. This Reference is really a big one. The Original is about 3 m wide? Horrible job!

:D

LG,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip04.jpg

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 03:17 PM
That's looking great Elliepower, I think your version's color palette is great, even if not is the copy from caravaggio's, now that I'm about paint the meals at the table Im getting bored too, but great work for u :thumbsup:

mindofka
03-29-2006, 03:38 PM
You're making awesome paintings, love to see the progresses :)
So sorry i couldn't finish the last one, and I don't think I'll have the time also for this.
So sorry, because the ole murderer is my favourite painter.
Keep it up . everyone, you're making masterpieces on a masterpiece! :D

Kalorlo
03-29-2006, 03:45 PM
I thought I'd join in too :)

If I was starting again, I think I'd do this slightly differently. I'm using a grid on both images and eyeballing to try and get things in the right proportions, using only vaguely the right colours. Next step will be switching the grids off and working more on the figures as wholes.

http://www.kellyhouse.force9.co.uk/art/master/supper01.jpg

Jack Shannon
03-29-2006, 03:51 PM
Update......
http://www.exoload.info/uploads/306/1143650940.jpg

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 03:53 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmaus03.jpg

Almost done with the sketch part

Zapan
03-29-2006, 04:16 PM
Hi all !!Just dropping by for some cheering here !!

Some stunning starts everyone , you guys insanely fast and great ! wow , can't wait to see how all your work is going to turn into !!

@ Sabie : go ... go ... go , go , go !!! otherwise challenge entry ... in 2 months :D

@ Beckie : w00t !! ... lovely start :love: ... Beckie rules !! :scream:

cheers everyone ,

-Zapan

Jack Shannon
03-29-2006, 05:40 PM
Digital Sol, coming along really nicely mate, :thumbsup:

Zapan, Join! :applause:

Last Update tonight.

http://www.exoload.info/uploads/306/1143657784.png

Elliepower
03-29-2006, 05:46 PM
Hi,

I'm going crazy about this work. The dreadlocks of the, I think it is a man, isn't it? *smile* They are hard to paint. And I have got a problem with the background, it is too *word lost* pixel-like :D.

I never learned drawing, only at school (25 yrs. ago) and as a hobby... if I make some mistakes, please tell me.

It is great to see other people entering the workshop and it is really an adventure for me to be here.

LG,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip05.jpg

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 05:48 PM
Thanks a lot Jack, I like very much your progress, I can't explain to myself how u can see through that paint stains :shrug: Its wonderful, even more, how u can smooth those, what tool u use, blur? or just the paintbrush.

Stunning start for u.

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 05:50 PM
Elliepower,

Great progress on this, and very fast! :) Watch the left arm of the central figure (the big J) ~ it looks a tad small, but this is an easy fix in PS. :) Also I think heightening the contrast will really give this picture pop! Looking forward to your next update! :)

mindofka,

Great to see you here, even if only for cheering! It's always great to see so many people interested in these Workshops! :) Feel free to hop on board if you get the chance.

Kalorlo,

Great to see you here! :) Great base coat, I look forward to seeing how this develops!

Jack,

Wow, looking great! I'm really excited to see your work on the boards!

Digital Sol,

This is looking fantastic ~ I love the foreground figure, there's a real sense of his presence. Nice work so far!

Steph,

It's great to see you here!! Thanks for chearing, you're always welcome!!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 06:00 PM
Of use to some people here might be the following thread, which is an informal Workshop run here on the Anatomy Forum:

Color Theory and The Human Figure - NUDITY (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2965469#post2965469)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2965469#post2965469 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525&page=2&pp=15)

Specifically of interest there:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Color%20and%20the%20Figure/color-demo.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Color%20and%20the%20Figure/color-demo-3.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Color%20and%20the%20Figure/color-demo-4.jpg

the following image is from: http://www.worqx.com/color/images/shade-tint-wheel.jpg
see full article: http://www.worqx.com/color/shade_tint.htm

http://www.worqx.com/color/images/shade-tint-wheel.jpg

In this diagram from the above source, tints are toward the center, and shades toward the outer rings of the color wheel.


According to this article: http://www.worqx.com/color/color_basics.htm

hue = what we think of as 'color'. 'Color' is actually defined by a bunch of different properties as described here.

tint = a hue produced by adding white.
shade = a hue produced by adding black.
intensity = the brightness or dullness of a hue. One may lower the intensity by adding white or black.

value = A measure of the amount of light reflected from a hue. Those hues with a high content of white have a higher luminance or value.

For those of you working in Photoshop, it's often useful to use the HSB (Hue, Saturation, Brightness) pallette, which allows you to adust the individual color properties of Hue, Saturation, Brightness manually:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/HSB-Sliders.jpg


Hope this is useful! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 06:01 PM
Thanks that looks very interesting.

I have seen this question at the forums before, but I want to ask u, how u detail a paint?, I mean, you have some paint stains, like in Rebecca or Jack's artwork, and then...? u use the blur tool? the smudge? or just keep on painting with hard and soft brushes, please maybe it's an obvious question but I will be thankful if you can explainme a little more, I have my own technique but I think is not good enough.

Thanks

:)

Jack Shannon
03-29-2006, 06:02 PM
Ellie, I really enjoyed that closeup, stunning progress.

Digital sol, thanks, well, i haven't tried to use smudge tools. Just paint brush but I tried what Rebecca said and used a combination of soft and hard egde round brushes, works wonders.

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 06:06 PM
Digital Sol,

I rarely if ever use the smudge tool, I basically use a combination of soft and hard brushes, and after I establish a 'stain' or area of more or less flat color / or more often in my case, value, with a somewhat harder brush, I'll go in with a softer brush and a sligthtly lighter value to gently brush in highlights.

The key is to work from dark to light, and from large areas to small areas. You can color pick from your painting easily when in brush mode by alt + clicking your canvas, which temporarily turns your brush into the eyedropper tool. Once the color has been selected, I may select a slightly brighter value or hue from the color pallette or from my swatches, and continue to refine an area, alternating between dark and light tones to build a sense of form.

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Jack Shannon
03-29-2006, 06:07 PM
Thanks that looks very interesting.

I have seen this question at the forums before, but I want to ask u, how u detail a paint?, I mean, you have some paint stains, like in Rebecca or Jack's artwork, and then...? u use the blur tool? the smudge? or just keep on painting with hard and soft brushes, please maybe it's an obvious question but I will be thankful if you can explainme a little more, I have my own technique but I think is not good enough.

Thanks

:)

Well personally I find the smugde and blur tools are a little clumsy, and i just use the paint tool and press ALT very often to pick colours and blend that way, but some people i know use the smugde tool, just try and experiment and see what you find more comfortable.

edit: opps rebecca got there first :)

Oh and also, you reffer to those 'paint stains' well they dont actually look like that in photoshop but once saved the quality gets reduced dramaticly and the once soft gradients turn into stainy looking things
i have tryed saving at highest quality jpg and png but i cannot prevent the quality loss :sad:

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 06:33 PM
Rebecca, Jack:

Thanks both, I will try that way, I usually paint with hard edged brushes I like the texture that they gives, I almost dont make them smooth, but when I want do it, I make layers of transparencies and the I use the smudge, since they are close values they are easy to merge, but I think that the brushes will give me more accuarancy.

Jack:

The paint looks really well, I call them stains because when u make a sketch in oil directly with paint, I know that technique as the paint stained, the quality loss is the same for me.

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Digital Sol: I call them stains because when u make a sketch in oil directly with paint, I know that technique as the paint stained, the quality loss is the same for me.
Heh, I use traditional analogies too, I tend to call them 'washes'. :D

Originally posted by Jack: edit: opps rebecca got there first :)
LOL :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
03-29-2006, 07:28 PM
Nice work folks. Thought i'd make a little contribution to this thread >>> 2hour sketch Photoshop>

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9861/cara18hj.jpg

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 07:38 PM
Nice sketch, AOAH! :thumbsup: Any plans to work on this further? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Jack Shannon
03-29-2006, 07:59 PM
Wow Andrew thats hot! Its got such a nice feeling to it, I do hope you keep going.

:thumbsup:

~Jack

LoTekK
03-29-2006, 08:25 PM
Right, decided since I did a Caravaggio on my own (still working on it, I'll be bringing it into PS since I have much better control over the brushes), I'll do the photorefs for this OFDW. I'll probably have some fun with them, too. :)

http://www.lotekk.com/files/ofdw15-1.jpg

Not sure how long. Not much, I think, just spread out in little spurts (damn you IRC and your distracting ways :D).

Andyonahill: Sweet! Love the colors you're pulling off. :thumbsup:

Ellipower: Awesome, you're making some great progress. :)

Jack Shannon: Nice values! :)

EAD
03-29-2006, 09:09 PM
Thanks guys..:thumbsup: I may well do a few more character/ hand studies as I learnt a lot from doing this one but I cant see me having the time nor the patience to try and pull of a full copy though. Good luck to those of you who are attempting it, hope it doesn't drive you all mad.

With regards to the colour theory bit. I find it very useful to use the eyedropper to analyze the way the artist employs colour before beginning to paint, The Carravagio is a great example of a painter changing the hue between the highlights and the shadows from warm to cool, the shadows are invariably more towards the purple end of the spectrum and the highlights more orange. this tends to make the image more 3D and visually arresting. However I would tend to refrain from using the eyedropper whilst painting as it takes some of the judgement away from the artist and it's important to learn to see the different colours for yourself..... Something I am attempting to improve at the moment.

Cheers:)

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 09:19 PM
Teck,

Great to see your start! You've got 4 weeks. It will be good to see what you can do with this in that time! :)

Heya AOAH,

Good to hear your thoughts. :) With respect to the eyedropper, I hope you don't think I was encouraging folks to sample from the original painting! :) I recommend sampling from areas of one's own painting, not the reference. You're right, the artist should learn to judge for her or himself which colors to pick and why. It's part of being an artist, after all. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 09:38 PM
Slight update, working on the left figure next... :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_04.jpg

EAD
03-29-2006, 10:04 PM
RK> I didnt think you were suggesting that:thumbsup:

I do however think that periodically using photoshop to sample the masters use of colour to tell you what colour is used where can be a valuable learning resource and can speed up the learning process and provide a doorway into the artists technique. Trying to emulate colour all by eye can be a total nightmare due to the complexity of optical illusion.

Did I just contradict myself there? probably.. Basically I think the eyedropper can be an invaluable analysis/research tool to provide insight into how colour operates in an image.

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 10:07 PM
AOAH,

Ha, I have a similar feeling about tracing. :) I think that tracing reproductions of Master Drawings / Paintings / Sculptures can be an excellent tool for learning and getting the feel of how and what the old masters were doing in their art. However, for me, such tracing is only ever an exercise, and should never be used in a finished piece of one's own art. There is tons of art that comes through the validation queue each day for the Gallery, and it's immediately obvious what work has been traced from Reference. But I actually would encourage people to do tracings to get a sense of what the Masters did as an Exercise only.

Cheers, :)

~Rk

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 10:53 PM
Im just bringing up the details, my first victim is the guy at Jesus' right, hope u like it

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/close-up.jpg

Im using Smudge tool because im getting mad by blending with the paint brush, sorry but I tried, and I couldn't :cry:

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 11:00 PM
Digital Sol,

This is looking really good! :)

Here are the brush settings I typically use ~ I don't know whether or not it will help, but I pretty much stick with this:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/brush-settings.jpg

One thing which I think will help is if you get some darker darks, and lighter lights into the appropriate parts of the painting. For example, the shaded eye socket will be a lot darker value wise than it is currently. More contrast = more form, but you don't want to overwhiten or overdarken. Keep working, you're doing an excellent job! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-29-2006, 11:18 PM
Thanks a lot Rebecca, I will try to get darken some areas, I think that that is because I work inverse to you, I mean, u work from the dark to light, and I work shading the light, I will try your way on next paint, many thanks for the hints, I promess I will try to contrast more.

Thanks

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 11:26 PM
Digital Sol,

No problem! :) By the way, I'm far from infallible, so feel more than free to crit my work as well. I've learned tons from these OFDWs and watching the amazing work here...so please feel free to give me comments and criticism as well. :)

Small update:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_05.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
03-29-2006, 11:31 PM
Another thing that I find useful is to paint really zoomed out ~ this helps me to see value relationships and major relationships of the biggest masses. I can more easily see mistakes at this level. As you can see, my painting is zoomed out so that it's shown at 6.25% of it's real size.

Seen at this level, I can already pick out areas that need a lot of fixing. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-setup.jpg


Traditional artists and illustrators had to use optical devices to get a far away look at their work when standing relatively nearby. Luckily, when working digitally, no such clunky devices are required. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Tut
03-30-2006, 01:35 AM
Hey guys, I've been putting off starting one of these for a while! so im stoked to have begun! wohoo me. Bit over an hour so far i think... just been blocking in main shapes and colours and refining. Im not skillz enough to be doing underpaintings :).
Thanks for looking and hello to everyone!! Guido

http://www.itsguido.com/images/2d/workshop/01.jpg
http://www.itsguido.com/images/2d/workshop/02.jpghttp://www.itsguido.com/images/2d/workshop/03.jpg

Rebeccak
03-30-2006, 01:45 AM
Heya Guido!

Welcome aboard! :) I just watched your short film, 'Cat and a Nude Man', awesome, that was hilarious! :thumbsup: I'm not an animation judge, but your short definitely had me laughing. :) Great 2D work on your site as well! Looking forward to seeing how you develop your piece. :)

Update for me...I fiddled a bit with the size and positions of the figures' heads, the big J's head was too small and narrow, and the head of the character to the left was too small. I think it's a bit better now:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_07.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Samanthie
03-30-2006, 02:47 AM
Hi, I hope to try one of the masters but for now..here is my endeavor. It's a little rough.:)

Rebeccak
03-30-2006, 07:24 AM
Great to see you here again, Samanthie! :thumbsup: Nice start on this ~ quite an interesting change in style. :)

Detailing the faces now: :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_08_detail-1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_08_detail-2.jpg

ceresz
03-30-2006, 12:52 PM
Sweet, Rebecca, and, like I told you I will join this :D
And... since I don't have acces to my tablet right now, I will do some traditional studies hehe :D
~Kevin

Maladie
03-30-2006, 01:22 PM
YES YES YES, Caravaggio!! I've been thinking about going to the great Rembrandt-Caravaggio expo in Amsterdam next week, and now I definately will! Anyways, count me in:wip:.

Rebeccak
03-30-2006, 01:42 PM
Heya Kevin,

Sounds good! :)

Maladie,

Looking forward to seeing your work! Have fun at the exhibition. I've heard it's great! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Maladie
03-30-2006, 02:40 PM
A quick value study, made in somewhat under an hour. I will try and use this OFDW to work on my current study areas, gesture and values. I will make a sketchlike gesture-study next.

Here goes:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Caravaggio/valuestudy.jpg

DigitalSol
03-30-2006, 02:42 PM
Rebecca, I thinks your work on Jesus face is great, the other on the left, still needs a little bit more of work, over all a great work, keep on going.

Guido: great work, it seems that all of us are trapped on Emmaus, good to see the other option, and with such great technique.

Update, I had been work on the details, for now only on the left character, and even he is not finished, here are some pics

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/general-detalles.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/acercamiento.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/bigcloseup.jpg

Maybe I will not post much today because I have lots of work in the real life. :cry:
I hope u like it, and give an opinion, because I feel that it helps for improve, thanks

Rebeccak
03-30-2006, 02:49 PM
Maladie,

Great to see you tackle this head on, I can't wait to see your progress! :)

Digital Sol,

Thanks for your comments! I agree, I need to really refine the leftmost character's face. Hopefully I can do that tonight. :)

I love the detailing you've done on the leftmost character in your painting ~ beautiful work on the cloth, it looks like you really enjoyed painting that. :) The greater contrast is really working well to make the character 'kick'.

By the way, I notice that you don't have a CGPortfolio ~ you (and everyone) should definitely create one if you get the chance! :)

Introducing the CGPortfolio (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3475)
http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3475

Any CGTalk member can make one. I love the feature personally, it's the coolest thing CGTalk has going on right now! :)

Anyway, great to see your update!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-30-2006, 03:06 PM
Thanks Rebecca, I really enjoy on painting this piece, Caravaggio, is my most admired old master, :love: and the Supper at Emmaus, one of his most beautiful masterpieces (IMHO).

Im a noob on CG talk, thats why I have not a PORTOFILIO here, I didn't know how to do it, thanks to you I will. :thumbsup:

Thanks again.

Rebeccak
03-30-2006, 05:28 PM
Digital Sol,

You're welcome! Looking forward to seeing your CGPortfolio. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Elliepower
03-30-2006, 06:18 PM
Hello,

@Digital Sol & Rebeccak

fantastic work. And the details... respect!

Hmmm, I think I will stop here and go back to try some other technics to paint. Perhaps with a cut-out of the other pic. This is too much for me and my patience and I began to botch :( Made some color correction and work out a bit the dreadlocks *lol* of the Jesus.

Sorry for that.

LG,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip06.jpg

Zapan
03-30-2006, 07:20 PM
My god !! is it a 3 days OFDW ?

You guys are all moving so fast and so great !! ... are you trying to get a record in here ?

@ Rebecca : what kind of korean juice are you on, Beckie ? :D wow ...

Incredible progress everyone !

cheers ,

-Zapan

Tut
03-30-2006, 07:54 PM
thanx for the warm welcome and nice comments Rebecca :)
glad you enjoyed the animation, its there to entertain haha

Maladie wohoo someone with my painting! good job the tonal study will help me a lot too thnx!
Digital Sol awesome, thanks! its great to get amongst it
Sorry not much to crit at the mo having to rush this morning, but everyones is looking great
bbs

LoTekK
03-30-2006, 08:01 PM
What the hell... Everyone's moving so damned quickly! :argh:

Pretty slack today, so very minor update:

http://www.lotekk.com/files/ofdw15-2.jpg

Jack Shannon
03-30-2006, 09:02 PM
I'm really not pleased with this at all, Thinking of starting all over or doing the other image, I know I shouldn't but I've gone so badly wrong I might as well start over. I've learnt a lot painting this and I think next time i will have a clear vision of what i need to do and when, because this time i really did not have a clue what I was doing.

This is 100% zoomed. I seem to be painting smaller than other people, does it matter?

Edit: Rebecca, I'm considering buying a CGS membership, what kind of things are in the private forums? Tutorials?
Also I would love to make a tutorial, I dont know if I am good enough though.

http://www.exoload.com/uploads/306/1143755956.png

Rebeccak
03-30-2006, 09:26 PM
Elliepower,

Looks great! Keep going with this, you're doing a fantastic job! :)

Hiya Zapan! Thanks for chearing! Gogo Korean juice! :D

Teck,

Keep pushing them values! ;)

Jack,

I wouldn't give up on this! You can change this digitally in whichever way you choose, remember. ;) If you are not already working at 300 dpi, I recommend doing so ~ this will allow you to get a much greater range of detail. I would save a copy of your version, and resize it to 300 dpi. It may be a bit blurry, but you can always re~detail. :)

I think this has tons of potential, and I would hate to see you give up. If you need to move the position of parts of the figure, select with the lasso tool, feather your selection, and copy and paste and resize / rotate / etc. that particular item. For example, if you wanted to move the left character further to the left, you could do that pretty easily, and then paint on a layer on top to reblend the character into the background. Digitally, you can more or less change things however you want.

Keep plugging away at this, I think you have a great start! Things always look a bit messy in the beginning, but if you keep working at it, you will really come up with a nice result! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Maladie
03-30-2006, 09:30 PM
Guido: thanks! I have to laugh a little bit at the notion of me helping you, when I was just drooling over your skill and beautiful brushstrokes. Are you using painter? And making the broad strokes, do you work on one layer? It's a beautiful workflow, or looks like it at least. I wonder if I could do something similar, but I think if I don't practice with shapes and masses first it would end up very sloppy:).

Ellie: I don't know you or anything, but it's really funny to see you predict something likely to happen to you, and two pages later it actually starts happening:). You said you weren't gonna finish this...well, today is the first day I'm able to see your thumbnails (no idea why) and all I can say is wow! Please don't quit! Take it to the next level, where I would love to go but am not able yet. Anyway don't wanna push you or anything, just cheering you on!

DigitalSol
03-30-2006, 09:33 PM
Hello, great update here Jack, well I work in a promotional agency as graphical designer, for the experience I can tell u that, if u work at 300 dpis u can print the artwork till 5 times larger, (500%), without too much visible quality loss, and if u work at 100 dpis, u can print it at 100%, thats my 2 cents.

Hope this was usefull, Jack u are very talented since I read u are 14, dont u?

Jack Shannon
03-30-2006, 09:33 PM
Rebecca,

Thanks for the encouragment and tips, you gave me an idea too! If I do that feathered lasso tool thing, then Ctrl and T I can free transform and make the middle character's head smaller! :) Then I can smooth out some things so it doesn't feel messy and get back on track.

Sorry a realy noob question but whats dpi and how do i change it?

about tutorials where can I paste them?

edit: Sorry, I didn't see your post digital sol, So dpi lets you print bigger? I still a bit confused, i understand pixel size though. Yes I am fourteen, fifteen in three weeks :thumbsup:, I really enjoy drawing, thanks for the compliment mate!

Btw Your top left character is looking amazing.
Close ups are really insightfull i think, it should be made law to post them ;)

Vahn
03-30-2006, 09:48 PM
great work in here ... pity i dont have time for this :cry:

rebecca: it looks great so far .. one thing i noticed on the first glance: the character on the right is a bit too high ... he should be a little bit lower :D

DigitalSol
03-30-2006, 09:56 PM
The dpis number is the actual number of pixels that there is in one inch of your artwork, When u make a new document u can choose it on the new document window, after this u can resize the image, Menu: Image: Image Size: Resolution. Hope this helps.

Thanks, Glad ti hear u like my painting.

seeya

Sorry, I didn't see your post digital sol, So dpi lets you print bigger? I still a bit confused, i understand pixel size though. Yes I am fourteen, fifteen in three weeks :thumbsup:, I really enjoy drawing, thanks for the compliment mate!

Btw Your top left character is looking amazing, close ups are really insightfull i think.

SpiritDreamer
03-30-2006, 10:59 PM
Hi Rebecca and everyone:

Am taking some time out to teach myself how to use my newest toy:
Zbrush - Amazing Program
But couldn't resist playing with this one a little though.
Some really nice starts happening on here so far. Very impressive for sure.
Can't wait to see them finished. Should be great!

Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/CARAVAGGIO.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/CARAVAGGIO_8.jpg

SpiritDreamer
03-31-2006, 02:47 AM
Rebecca....:bounce: your style of painting is capturing the mood perfectly....really enjoying seeing
you progress on this painting....hope you find time to finish it.....one of your best so far...:arteest:
just my opinion though....:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Mu
03-31-2006, 07:25 AM
so many great paintings in here already!

Knorke!

Rebecca - very sensual gradation in the face details and graceful hands.

Jack - Don't worry mate, you are doing great. You saw for yourself the problem with the head's sizes and you have all the tools to change this. I am still stunned at your talent.

as concerns dpi: it's dots per inch. Your monitor is very likely to show you something between 72 and 92 dpi. If you start a new painting or scale it you can change not only aspect ratio (the width/height in pixels), but also change how many of them are shown on an inch.
Home and normal office printers print at 300dpi. So, if you have a pic 3000 pixels wide and with a resolution of 300dpi it will turn out to be 10 inches wide when printed (3000/300).
If on the other hand you use less than 300 dpi the print size will be scaled down as the printer can only print at 300 dpi.
Correct me anyone if I have gotten anything wrong.
And as concerns tutorials: I hope you have seen the tutorial sticky in the art theories forum?

Digital Sol - I like what you are doing, especially like the guy on J.C.'s right. As concerns blending I have found the softedged brushes to work wonders. You already are good at establishing the forms with harder edged brushes. No reason to not use the softedged one, too.

Kudos to Lotekk for non-conformist choice of topic!

Glenn - always feels like geologists wet dream at these early stages. Minerals becoming alive!:scream: Intruiging as always.

Tut
03-31-2006, 11:43 AM
Maladie - well, either way your tonal was helpful so shoosh! :D Im working in photoshop on the one layer yup.

update for today, just working most places at once. Painting it pretty zoomed out and squinting my eyes like crazy, still fleshing out tones and colours apart from that piece of cloth (got a bit hasty to detail it)

oh yeh thnx Rebecca that HSB colour slider is the best ever! i read your post about it before i began, forgot to mention it tho. SUch a huge help.
G

http://www.itsguido.com/images/2d/workshop/04.jpg

DigitalSol
03-31-2006, 02:52 PM
Mu:

Thanks a lot, :) I found the hard brushes easy to control, because the act in a limited region, when I work with the soft rounds, they are hard to control for me because they throw paint in places where I dont want, :cry:, but I will keep trying, I'm thankful with u for watching my work, thanks, I hope the update likes u. :beerchung:

Guido: Amazing work, great use of colors, supberb gestaul actitudes, great to see it.:thumbsup:

Spirit Dreamer: That looks very interesting, I have never used Zbrush, but after see ur work I think I will try it, overall great work, will looking for ur updates.

Maladie: Great tonal work, you are establishing the scene very good.

Well I hope not to be forgotting anyone, great work for all, here is my update, I would like u give an opinion, and I want that u know that part of this piece is yours, thanks for the crits and the hints :grin: thanx from now, keep on going everyone u all are doing a great work.

:wip:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Detallado.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Detallado2.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Detallado3.jpg

Edit: I almost forgot, Rebecca thanks for your welcome, and the brush settings were very usefull, thanks a lot. :)

Rebeccak
03-31-2006, 03:15 PM
Will reply to everyone shortly, but for the moment, just want to compliment Digital Sol on some beautiful work! Okay, now I need to go get something done...:D...back in a few. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Kalorlo
03-31-2006, 03:16 PM
Did a bit of facework, and also doubled the size of my working image (until now I was working at the same size as the reference image). This is at 100% zoom.

http://www.kellyhouse.force9.co.uk/art/master/supper02.jpg

Jack Shannon
03-31-2006, 04:07 PM
Wow there is so much impressive work in this thread.

Digital Sol:That is so freaking beautiful, the left two characters are amazing, quality mate! :thumbsup: I added you to msn, hope you don't mind. I found how to change dpi thanks.

Mr Mu: Please join in :)! I feel really guilty actually because I keep starting to read through your anatomy thread and get lost by the third page and end up skipping to the last page. You improved sooooooooooReoccurring much. The quality of your latest work is amazing. I promise I will take a proper look tomorrow and give you some proper feedback. Thankyou for the detailed explaination of dpi too, I think I understand now. About, the tutorial thread, yes I have seen it but people only post links to external tutorials there do they not? I want to right some for this forum.

Kalorlo: Thats coming along really nicely mate, only crit I have is the mouth needs to be wider. The form and colours are awesome.

Cheers,
~Jack

Rebeccak
03-31-2006, 04:20 PM
Jack,

I would be happy for you to create a Tutorial/s of your own! :) All you need to do is to create a New Thread, and call it TUTORIAL - *What it's about* - by Jack Shannon. (Minus the asterisks * of course). ;)

What type of tutorial did you have in mind? :) I always encourage folks to write and post tutorials as they choose. You needn't clear it by me, I'm just curious as to your topic.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
03-31-2006, 04:21 PM
Jack:

Sure I dont mind, but I dont use the msn too much, u can send me an e mail, that I will be faster, Im almost all the day online because Im at work. Glad to have a new artist friend.

:beer:

Edit: Forgott, esandoval-at-bbpromociones.com.mx, thats it

Jack Shannon
03-31-2006, 05:05 PM
You know what I really like about these forums is that people treat me like an adult, its such a nice community.

Digital Sol, will do mate, thanks!

Rebecca, Thanks for the thumbs up, I'll make a start on some soon. Well I what I want to do is do lots of tutorials that can help people with new things I learn along my journey to become good at digital painting, so maybe do some walkthroughs, tips ones like Nebizial sort of thing and some helping people with difficulties that I have had and found ways around. Because I know that even simple things like 'what canvas size' 'where to start' 'what to paint' can knock peoples confidence and stunt their growth as an artist.

~Jack

Maladie
03-31-2006, 07:16 PM
Everybody good work!

I was a good girl and did my homework, i.e. I did a gesture study in 15-20 minutes. The composition of this is just dramatic and totally beautiful. (the master, not my study:)).

I am now officially allowing myself to the fun part:); the rendering and colours, jeee!
O yeah, I did this on one layer, 600 by 600, and wasn't able to erase or change anything, so this is the one try.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Caravaggio/lineart.jpg

DigitalSol
03-31-2006, 08:47 PM
Maladie, good start, have fun, I will look to your updates surely.

Rebeccak
03-31-2006, 10:57 PM
Ack, I've been out of commission with allergies all day *sniffle* sorry for the lack of activity today guys. :)

Originally posted by Jack: You know what I really like about these forums is that people treat me like an adult, its such a nice community.
I think when you act like an adult and are mature in your posts, you will be treated like an adult. :) It's a pleasure to have your contributions to the forums. :)

Rebecca, Thanks for the thumbs up, I'll make a start on some soon. Well I what I want to do is do lots of tutorials that can help people with new things I learn along my journey to become good at digital painting, so maybe do some walkthroughs, tips ones like Nebizial sort of thing and some helping people with difficulties that I have had and found ways around. Because I know that even simple things like 'what canvas size' 'where to start' 'what to paint' can knock peoples confidence and stunt their growth as an artist.
That sounds great! I think the thing then would be to call your thread TUTORIALS - *What They're About* - by Jack Shannon. Really looking forward to these! :)

Maladie,

Great to see your start! What program are you working in? :) You mentioned that you can't edit things ~ so I'm wondering if you are working in ArtRage or similar program. It looks like you're starting off on the right foot, and I look forward to seeing what develops! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-01-2006, 04:32 AM
Small update...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_09.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_09_detail-1.jpg

Maladie
04-01-2006, 08:59 AM
Hello Rebecca,

what a beautiful, soft flowing style you have!
No worries, I work in Photoshop, but am selftought and therefore have no proper routine for working with layers. I do ofcourse if I remember to put stuff in the right place, but this time I put everything on the background layer:rolleyes:. So if I used the eraser, I got a big white smudge and didn't know how to change it.
I'm going to progress with the value-study, which was neatly arranged in layers. Do you have any usefull tips for a workflow in PS? Like, the background on one layer, and every character on a separate one? I now put every colour on a separate layer, but that's not very logical.

Mu
04-01-2006, 11:13 AM
Mr Mu: Please join in :)! I feel really guilty actually because I keep starting to read through your anatomy thread and get lost by the third page and end up skipping to the last page. You improved sooooooooooReoccurring much. The quality of your latest work is amazing. I promise I will take a proper look tomorrow and give you some proper feedback.

my thread is not meant to be a guilt-inducing read:scream: - so just feel free to ignore it, hehe:D But I am glad you like it and thanks for the compliment.

And as concerns treating you like a grown-up: all that is left of you as a person in a forum are your thoughts and your way of expressing things. I couldn't have guessed your age by these so it's your merit not ours. We have a saying in Germany which is hard to translate but refers to the fact that the echo is created by the one who shouts.
See?
:)

Rebeccak
04-01-2006, 03:02 PM
Update details...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_11_detail-1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_11_detail-2.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_14.jpg

DigitalSol
04-01-2006, 03:19 PM
Wow, nice update rebecca, both are very good, but my favorite is the character at Jesus's left, the old man, great work.

:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
04-01-2006, 03:22 PM
Digital Sol,

Thanks! I took you up on your suggestion to tweak the far left character, so I'm still trying to work on them all. :)

Maladie,

Thanks a lot for the compliment! :)

I am not the best person at organizing my layers, so I recommend doing as I say, and not as I do. :D However, that being said, here is more or less how I have things organized so far. I create folders for the different elements in the picture (I'm not always perfect about keeping these completely ordered, but I try) :D and within those folders are the layers pertaining to that particular element.

It's really important to name your layers / and or folders, as you can lose track of them pretty quickly otherwise. To name a layer or folder, you just double click on it, and type your name. Press enter after you've named it.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015-LAYERS.gif

Anything you do in PS can be edited easily. So that, even if you have everything on the background layer, you can use your lasso tool to select the individual figures, and copy and paste them onto their own layers so that you have them all separated out. You can scale, rotate, re~whatever the indidual elements then.

Let me know if you have any specific questions about the basic functions of PS.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-01-2006, 06:07 PM
Update on the table items...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_15.jpg

DigitalSol
04-01-2006, 06:16 PM
That food is looking really good, that is only this of this piece in particualr that i dont have much desire for paint, that is the hard part, I think, unfortunly, think I will not post anything today maybe neither tormorrow, I had been at the agency for about 30 hour without any rest, and still there is too much to do, Im sooo sleepy. :wise:.

I need to catch you up soon.(some words in english that i recently learn)

:cry:

Rebeccak
04-01-2006, 06:28 PM
Enrique,

Thank you! :) Don't worry, we have 3 weeks left in the Workshop, there is plenty of time to catch up. ;) The food is the least exciting to paint, but after you start, it's not hard, and it gets to be fun...just jump in! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Maladie
04-01-2006, 08:46 PM
Wow, Rebecca, that moving tutorial picture-thingie (I'm losing myself with this line...) is really helpful! Interesting, it seems like you arranged the different pieces of the painting in order of depth. That's a really good way of working in a sort of 3D way! Which is ofcourse, I realise just now, what layers are for...ahem.

I'm going to try it, thanks!

Rebeccak
04-01-2006, 11:22 PM
Maladie,

Hehe, glad the animated gif was helpful! :)

A bit of an update on the table:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_16.jpg

RobertoOrtiz
04-01-2006, 11:47 PM
Rebecca thst is really top notch work.

Well done.

-R

Elliepower
04-02-2006, 12:44 PM
Hi everyone,

I decided to do more working on the picture, though I know I have a wrong-colored Ref *lol* and I am a chaotic nooooobee. I told myself, that I do not to be perfekt as the other user here. It could be wrong with everything, but how could I ever learn doing this if I don't try.

Try to place the items in right position.

LG,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip07.jpg

SpiritDreamer
04-02-2006, 02:36 PM
Hi....Elliepower // Marion....:)

I think that your painting looks ...GREAT...your colors are ...FANTASTIC...:thumbsup:
I think that if you put some rich gold and coppers, reds, blacks ect. into that table of food
and really concentrate on the details there, like Caravaggio did, you'll have yourself a winner.
I was just reading that he got himself into a lot of trouble with the other painters of his time,
by making his still lifes look just as detailed and important as the human figures...really went
against the grain of the time I guess...but in the end, it is what made his paintings better
than everyone elses of that time period.:scream:
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ON THIS ONE...REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR
PROGRESSION.:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
04-02-2006, 03:12 PM
Rob,

Thanks! :)

Elliepower,

You are doing a great job! Color is actually the easiest thing to change, if you are unhappy with your colors. You can adjust color very easily in PS using Image > Adjustments > Hue / Saturation or Selective Color, etc. :)

Keep going, this is looking really good! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-02-2006, 03:28 PM
An update from yesterday ~ will have to move the left character over more to the left to accomodate the table items...for now I've cut into his arm, but he's on a different layer, so should be fairly easy to move. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_18.jpg

Maladie
04-02-2006, 06:55 PM
Elliepower, could you tell me how you made your background? I want to use something similar for a painting of my own. Good to see you continue, btw!:)

Elliepower
04-02-2006, 07:42 PM
Hi Maladie,

the first time I took the speckled brush, but the edges are too sharpen so that it looks bad. Now I tried out a bit round brush with soften edges and then *tip-tip-tip* the main colors with high transparency for the brush, with a very small view of the picture (or the navigator's view), so that I can control the colors. Hard to explain, hope you understand what I mean. First I took very saturated colors and went back to the dark and desatureted ones. It is easy, cause I overpaint so often until it hast the look I want it to. Hehe, this is botching? I don't know.

So here is my update, the food is horrible to paint, so many details. I changed the colors by desaturate the old pic and took the new colors by hand. I am not satisfied at all with this, the hand of the priest is terrible, hmm, there ist a lot of things I don't like. Ah, and the background is totally new.

I think in the end my version is more an illustration then a copy.

LG,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/cgtalkwip08.jpg

Rebeccak
04-02-2006, 07:53 PM
Ellie,

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself ~ this is new, and you've tackled a Master Painting ~ which is brave, because these painters were not called Masters for no reason. ;) Actually, doing a copy for me just greatly increases my respect for the original work, which is really impossible to match in it's perfection. The purpose of doing these Master Copies is really to lift our own level of ability, which will be greater than our previous level of ability, even if it will never match that of the Master Artists whose works we're using as reference. :) So no worries. ;)

Keep at it, you're doing a great job!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Elliepower
04-02-2006, 08:07 PM
Hi Rebeccak,

yeah, yesterday I went to the Hamburger Kunsthalle and I was very... ooooh, aaaah... don't find a word in english. There were a lot beautiful pictures and the artists who painted them were genius people.

And it is another feeling to look at those paintings in real and not "only" digitally versions.

It is fantastic how people can work out such details 600 and more years ago, and I recognized very hard they did not have the "go back"-button. *rofl*

Bye,
Ellie

Zapan
04-02-2006, 08:17 PM
wow , great progress everyone ... the speed you're all going on is hardly believable !
Definitely awesome for me to see your differents approaches you guys are going with on this ...
especially considering that Caravaggio is one of my favorite painter from yore ... eggggselent ! :)

@ Spirit Dreamer : always so nice to see your different approach of the theme !

@ Digital Sol : just wow !! :eek:

@ Rebecca : amazing progress , so nice to you to share your PS stack ... I have to save this somewhere ...
OT spam : .... and sweet new avatar :love: ... and now I have to crack the wmp code ! :scream:

cheers everyone !

-Zapan

Rebeccak
04-02-2006, 08:20 PM
Eets Steph!!! :scream:

WMP = with my peeps! :D My friend bought me these stuffed animals you see in the avatar ~ they're called peeps ~ so now I have peeps! :D

Chears, :)

~RK

SpiritDreamer
04-02-2006, 10:25 PM
Here is a most fantstic still life artist!

http://waheednasir.cgsociety.org/gallery/210440/ (http://waheednasir.cgsociety.org/gallery/210440/)

Mrs Spirit Dreamer's favorite!

Rebeccak
04-02-2006, 11:59 PM
Thanks for the link, Glenn! :)

Latest update:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_19.jpg

Jack Shannon
04-03-2006, 12:41 AM
Rebecca that is beautiful!

DigitalSol
04-03-2006, 04:53 AM
Yesterday I didn't work at this, (too much work), well I spend 2 hours on this, hope u like.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/detalles1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/detalles2.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/detalles3.jpg

BTW Zapan: Thanks a lot.
Elliepower: That looks definately better with each day that u paint, congrats, great work.
Rebecca: Awesome job as ussual, my favorite is jesus' head, great work at the foods.

Bye, had fun with this.

Rebeccak
04-03-2006, 07:41 AM
Jack,

Thanks a lot! :)

Enrique,

WOW, this is really taking off! :) I love the leftmost character, you are really doing an amazing job with that! :D Can't wait to see further progress here!

I'm so excited about the Anatomy Forum's new digs! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-03-2006, 01:00 PM
Thank u very much Rebecca, your advice about the contrast, really works. :D

Maladie
04-03-2006, 09:21 PM
A little study, wasn't able to do more today...

I think I might just do some studies to learn from this, it seems like so much work. But we'll see.



http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Caravaggio/jesushead.jpg

Rebeccak
04-03-2006, 10:34 PM
Enrique,

That's great, you're welcome! :)

Maladie,

WOW, that's beautiful!! :thumbsup: Keep going with this, you are definitely on the right track here! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Maladie
04-04-2006, 12:45 AM
Rebecca: thanks!!

Digital Sol: I love your work overall, but Jesus' right cheek (for him) keeps distracting me. It looks almost like a white mask, but a little blending might solve it...I find it incredible you can tackle such a big canvas at once, btw!

DigitalSol
04-04-2006, 01:17 AM
Maladie:

Thanks for the advice, as a fact I realized that detail too, but I didnt know what to do, I will try to follow your hint, thanks a lot.

Really, is not so hard to work in a big canvas, i think, the trick for do this is work from larger areas (when i beggin this painting I worked it with the zoom at 2,5 percent and paint with brushes about 300 pixels), to smaller (now that Im on the details Im working with a zoom of 250 % or more, and in some areas Im painting with brushes of 3 pixels.)

A thing that has been usefull for me is, when u work a big paint, u better work in 2 or 3 layers. Because that way your computer dont suffer for the memory, this painting have 2 layers, 1 for the background other for the foreground, and is 3300 * 2329 at 300dpi's.

Thanks a lot Maladie

:)

daWinky
04-04-2006, 04:45 AM
Morning everyone!:wavey: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

Wow, it's just amazing to see what you've all done in little more than a week...especially Elliepower, Digital Sol and Becca: Great work with the supper!:thumbsup:
I'm really envy, I've no spare time for painting at the moment:cry: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#), but I'm following the progress here eagerly!

Becca: Congrats to you, not only for your amazing painting, but for the new, better place for the Anatomy Forum! You've made this an always interesting, growing place with a lot of activity due to all your advertising, encouragement and energy!:applause:

-sabrina

Rebeccak
04-04-2006, 01:09 PM
Sabie,

Thanks so much, I so appreciate your comments! :) I am really happy and I have to say that it's not just my efforts but everyones' effort here that have made the Anatomy Forum a really vital place...think of all of the amazing work produced in some of the past OFDWs alone! :eek: I certainly couldn't do that myself! :)

So a big thank you to everyone here, because the success of the forum has everything to do with peoples' hard work and enthusiasm here. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

*Rebeccak

Amerasu
04-04-2006, 02:19 PM
Everything has changed... Great forum division though :)

So much beautiful work here!

I don't think I'll be able to participate in this one as I've got a ridiculous deadline over the next 2 weeks for a whole bunch of illustrations/paintings. I'm struggling a bit.

I'll come back and comment when I'm done and if there's still time, I will tackle that master painting!

Maladie
04-04-2006, 02:21 PM
Another study, this time of the woman in the background. I noticed a worrying tendency to tell her to get a grip:). She's just grieving too hard. Hehehe...No seriously, those faces are really beautiful!


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Caravaggio/handsuphead.jpg

DigitalSol
04-04-2006, 05:57 PM
Hello everyone, here is a little update, for the supper, I made a new layer for J's hair.

@daWinky, thanx Im doing my best, glad u like, I hope to see you on the next IFDW I like ur work very much. :wavey:

@Maladie: ur studies looks very good, but i think that u can still apply a deep shadow, I think that will make that it looks even better, I tried to follow your advice and I blend the face a little more with a darker color, hope u and everyone could give me an opinion, BTW thanks.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmausdetalles2.jpg

:wavey:

Rebeccak
04-04-2006, 06:17 PM
Enrique,

Beautiful update! :) I haven't been able to work on mine these past couple of days, but hope to get back to it soon. :)

The hair looks great, I think the only thing right now is the hard edge on J's cheek * also, I think the angle of the part in the hair might be a little different from the original, but that's such a minor thing. I think the background behind J is a bit darker, and the shadow edge a bit softer * but I know you're still refining things. Great to see your update! :)

Cheers,

*Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-04-2006, 06:36 PM
Thanks Becca, I will try to blend a little bit more the cheek, I still haven't work on the background but I will think about it when I will do, thanks a lot for your suggestions, I will sure follow them all.

Yeah, yesterday I realized that u havent update ur work, I hope you can get enough time for work it, i enjoy always your post.

Thanks again

Elliepower
04-04-2006, 07:24 PM
Hi everyone,

@maladie
Your studies looks fantastic, go on with it!

@DigitalSol
Great to see you with such patience, wonderful.

Hehe, patience... höhämm. I tried another one, paint-hopping, I've never done a 15-min.-Sketchaton before, so I did this. It is difficult to match the right lines, the bizeps is a bigzeps,lol. The things I do must even be a lit funny or melancholy so that I am motivate to paint it. The guy is very funny cause he wears a "schiesser" (a type of underwear) and he has a gun in his hand, this guy I would give the name "schiesser" (somebody who shoots) in german.

LG,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/test13.jpg

DigitalSol
04-04-2006, 09:34 PM
Ellie, that looks great for only 15 minutes, good job, I think I will try one too.

The patiente is my challenge for this workshop, I have never painted something that take me more than 1 week lol, generally all my illustrations take me 1 or 3 days and thats all, patiente is something that i dont own, but I want for this Im pushing myself to the end of this, I think that the only way for get patiente is paint something that requires is.

Keep on working because you are going great with the supper.

:wavey:

Rebeccak
04-05-2006, 07:40 AM
Ellie,


Great to see your sketches! Do you plan to take this further? :) Are you totally finished with the larger work? :)

Small update for me - I haven't had a lot of time in the past few days, but I definitely wanted to get in a bit of time tonight - so I worked a bit more on the table items, J's left hand, and the leftmost character.


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_20.jpg

Here is a gif comparison between my last and latest versions:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/compare.gif






Cheers, :)

- Rebeccak

ceresz
04-05-2006, 07:58 AM
Awesome Rebecca, I have to start! But I can't... not until monday... :(

DigitalSol
04-05-2006, 02:44 PM
Good Morning everyone, lately I haven't too much time for painting, this is a small update, I think is not much but at least is something, I tried to blend more J's face, made some work at the clothes, and I was thinking about the redefine all the mantle, hope u like and you can give some crit, all will be listened.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/jesus-ropa1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/jesus-ropa2.jpg

Rebecca I love the work you are doing at the table and the meals, congrats :thumbsup:

thanks

DigitalSol
04-05-2006, 03:14 PM
Here is a little close for the hand, for me is the most difficult part for drawing in all the body lol, so I think that it deserves a close up :)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/mano.jpg

Rebeccak
04-05-2006, 04:02 PM
Enrique,

Thank you! :) Your piece is looking more and more awesome! :thumbsup: I love the way you are painting the cloth in particular - and each face you have zoomed in on is coming out wonderfully! I guess my only suggestion at this point is to perhaps make the background a bit darker, but that's really it ~ everything else is in lovely development. Can't wait to see your next update!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-05-2006, 04:13 PM
Awesome thanks Rebecca, that means lots coming from somebody such talented like u. :)

Rebeccak
04-05-2006, 04:19 PM
Awww, no problem, Enrique! You're very talented yourself. :) Thank you very much for the compliment. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Maladie
04-05-2006, 07:24 PM
DS: looking really good! Better with the blending, too.
Becca: that food makes me go hungry!:)

Here are my updates. I thought Digital Sol had a good point about the shading on my last, so I tweaked that some more:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Caravaggio/handsuphead2.jpg

Plus, I did the old mans head, which I found not only hard to read, but also hard to copy with all the wrinkles. So up for comments and crits, here goes:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Caravaggio/bendguyhead.jpg

Rebeccak
04-05-2006, 07:28 PM
Maladie,

These are looking great! :thumbsup: I think the next step might be to really detail with a small medium opacity brush (maybe 50 - 75%) with black or near black to really up the contrast and bring out details, particularly in the older gentleman's face. Now that you have the basic values established, it just remains to really tweak and polish at an increasingly fine level of detail. I really am impressed with your progress here, and look forward to more updates! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

bakatron
04-05-2006, 10:32 PM
anyone mind if i joined in this - im going to be using sketchbook pro so i hope no one minds me using this as a way of learning about painting and colouring and at the sametime the tool that im using.

Rebeccak
04-05-2006, 11:08 PM
bakatron,

You are absolutely welcome to join! There are still 3 weeks left in this Workshop. You are free to use whatever program or programs that you wish. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-05-2006, 11:41 PM
That was really hard but finally Im pleased with the mantle

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/manto1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/manto2.jpg

I think that still lacks of cast shadows from the hair but this will be the last for today.

Later!!

bakatron
04-06-2006, 05:42 AM
and this is pretty much how i start with things. i make a simple breakdown before i hit anything. i never try to draw anything directly unless everything is laid out.

i'm going to be dividing my time between the other thread that i'm on, this, and work over the next few weeks so i hope i get enough time to work with this. i do hope i get to learn alot which is what i'm striving for. i do know im incredibly careless at times though :p

http://coraelin.com/artstuff/kimmel_supper/1.jpg

Rebeccak
04-06-2006, 07:02 AM
bakatron,

Great to see you joining in! :thumbsup: I recommend filling the bkgrd with a tone...makes things a lot easier! :)

Enrique,

Your cloth is looking awesome! :thumbsup:

Small update from me:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_21.jpg

Still not getting a lot of time to work on this...hopefully tomorrow. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-06-2006, 03:30 PM
Bakatron:
Good to see you are in, your schematic looks very good.

Rebecca:
That looks really good, the only thing for me is the foreground character, but I think you are still working, so, great update.

Here is mine, is not too much, but I have lots of work here,

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/jesus-terminado.jpg

Bye

Rebeccak
04-06-2006, 04:38 PM
Enrique,

Ah, I see the hands are really starting to develop! :thumbsup: Something I really like about your image and didn't comment on before is the construction of the chair ~ really great sense of the wood there! I love how the arm interlocks with the backing. :)

Hopefully I'll get some time to work on this tonight! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-06-2006, 10:00 PM
Still working on this...kind of tweaking about: :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_23.jpg

Detail of food items:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_23_detail.jpg

EDIT: another update:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_24_small.jpg
Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SoniaNotRed
04-07-2006, 11:08 AM
Digital Sol - Great clothes all around but I was totally blown away by that mantle! :eek: Good work!

Rebeccak - Love the lighting in yours. Cool detail on the bottle's shadow! :thumbsup:

Here's me humble piccie. About 1.10 hour :blush: (and about half of it erasing :p).
I spent a lot of time making sure I got the legs right this time. Still, I'm guessing I'll only start seeing all the pic's faults after I post it, as usual...
Shading later.

http://nekoi.no.sapo.pt/Asai/Des%20015%2006-04-06%2000.jpg

Rebeccak
04-07-2006, 04:34 PM
Hi Sonia! :)

It's great to see you here ~ this OFDW has been a bit quiet, I don't know if it's because the Forum moved, and the link changed, or if it's the CGChallenge and CGPortfolio that have been distracting :D but it's always nice to have more people participating here! :) Thank you for your comments!

I quite like your drawing and the way that you are analyzing form. I would say to watch the way the foot connects with the ankle, as you really want his right leg to feel as though it is bearing the weight of the pose.

Looking forward to your new update! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-07-2006, 07:10 PM
Hello everyone, here is a little update, I found hard to render the right character, his hair is getting me mad, any tips for paint the hair are welcome, thanks.

@Rebecca:
Great work, I love the glass of the bottle on the table, the details at the food are really good. I always enjoy your updates.

@Sonia:
Thank u very much, as for ur draw, I think is very good, a hint that I can give is, try drawing the negative space, where is nothing, I mean, generally we concentrate too much in the inner details and dont care too much for the enviorement, this can be great help, try it, u will realize that it makes it more easy.

Thanks.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmausdetalles5.jpg

DigitalSol
04-07-2006, 07:16 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmausdetalles6.jpg

Rebeccak
04-07-2006, 07:31 PM
Enrique,

Thank you! That shell looks just fantastic! :thumbsup: Really beautiful work there ~ wow, it's almost photographic! :eek:

Trying to update mine a bit today...

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-07-2006, 10:55 PM
Today I had a little rest for work in the paint, this is my final post for the day, hope u like and give some feedback, thanks, over for now.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmausdetalles8.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/La-cena-de-Emmausdetalles7.jpg

:wavey:

bakatron
04-08-2006, 10:48 AM
RebeccaK and Digital Sol - you guys are totally kicking ass in this. It's amazing watching you guys - i dont think i'll come to that level anytime soon, but hey - its all for fun :)

Sonia - I love your anatomical layout.

and this is how far i've gotten - im really busy nowadays but trying to work on this. ive added a subtle gradient layer which i imported from photoshop into sketchbook pro as a background. when i reduced the image to 600px in width, the grad resolution sort of fell so it looks rather weird right now. i did do some second stage figure break down. i think i'll spend some time properly drawing it properly... i draw in a rather freestyle manner so i it looks a bit different right now.

-abbas

http://coraelin.com/artstuff/kimmel_supper/2.jpg

Jack Shannon
04-08-2006, 11:11 AM
Bakatron, Awesome start, I love the way you put everything together, looking forward to seeing more!

Rebeccak
04-08-2006, 01:48 PM
Enrique,

Great stuff! :thumbsup:

abbas,

Thank you for the compliment! :) It's great to see your work, and I look forward to seeing it develop. One question, are you able to use a soft brush in SketchbookPro? Just out of curiosity. A lot of the work I have seen using that program are mostly hard edged, linear drawings, so I wasn't sure. :) Let's see another update! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

zhuzhu
04-08-2006, 02:56 PM
Rebeccak & Digital Sol: you guys rock~~~! i haven't so much patience as that. my patience's top limt just 5-7 hours, here is 3 hours version, and i feel finished yet,haha. forgive me.


http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6518/ofdw155xr.jpg

Rebeccak
04-08-2006, 03:17 PM
Zhuzhu,

Thank you! Your piece is beautiful! We can't convince you to work a little more on this piece? :D :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

zhuzhu
04-09-2006, 02:24 AM
Zhuzhu,

Thank you! Your piece is beautiful! We can't convince you to work a little more on this piece? :D :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

thanks,maybe next time.here is some details of this work.


http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1945/751d16oe.jpg



http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1940/751d22cf.jpg



http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9016/751d36qs.jpg

SpiritDreamer
04-09-2006, 04:41 AM
Hi....Zhuzhu.....FANTASTIC.......BEAUTIFUL JOB...CRISP COLORS...NOT OVERWORKED..:bounce: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Vidar3d
04-10-2006, 03:12 AM
ZhuZhu, fantastiacally rendered there. So loose and bold and yet somehow very detailed. Very inspiring.

Rebeccak
04-10-2006, 03:26 AM
Zhuzhu,

Thanks for the closeups! :thumbsup:

Heya Vidar,

Feel free to jump in at any time! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-10-2006, 06:08 AM
Garr, more slow progress :D ~ added a bit of a stencil to the tablecloth, and am starting to add the chair ~ many small refinements...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_25_small.jpg

It's hard for me to believe how anyone ever painted to such a degree traditionally ~ I have an even deeper respect for Caravaggio than I did previously. The achievement in his painting is just mind boggling!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Zapan
04-10-2006, 07:58 AM
It's hard for me to believe how anyone ever painted to such a degree traditionally ~ I have an even deeper respect for Caravaggio than I did previously. The achievement in his painting is just mind boggling!

I'm backing up Rebecca here ! I've been always fascinated by these people ! I'm also fascinated by people who can just paint traditionally without a CTRL-Z tho ... And also fascinated by you guys all who can reproduce these masterpieces in such low delays and yet so well , I'm pretty sure Caravaggio is grinning in his grave lately ! I'm fascinated by Korean people who don't like rice too ... :scream: ...

w00ting work everyone !

chears ,

-Steph

bakatron
04-10-2006, 12:25 PM
Rebecca,

I think you can emulate a soft brush effect. By default you have a standard hard brush but you can create that look by changing the brush opacity properties. its somewhat different than PS which has preset hard and soft brushes along with opacity levels for the airbrush.

It's not quite painter or art rage like, but it does the trick.

Of course my knowledge is pretty limited about these things, but this is my understanding with it so far.

-abbas

DigitalSol
04-10-2006, 02:29 PM
Hello everyone, this was a very unproductive weekend for me, but here is some update, I consider the background that i get a bit darker and the characters finished and I worked a little bit the table and the items, hope u like.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Emmaus1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Emmaus2.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Emmaus3.jpg

@Bakatron.
Thanks a lot for your words, you already have a really good level, sure, like everything with the practice u get better, but you are doing a great work here.:thumbsup:

@Zhuzhu.
Thanks a lot, Im a fan of your work, really awesome tutorials, your version of the supper is reaaalllyy good rendered with some few colors, :applause:

@Rebecca.
Really beautiful paint u have there, did u make the stencil in a vectorial way and then pasted it, I was thinking do something like that, over all a great work, congrats :applause:

Thanks to all for ur opinions, Im trying to do my best with the time that I have, also I have always loved this paint, so that makes it easier.

SpiritDreamer
04-10-2006, 03:52 PM
Hi....Enrique...:)

I have been watching your painting from the start, and have really enjoyed it's developement.
I like the golden warmth of it. I think you have done a really great job on it also...:thumbsup:
Would like to see some more detail in the beards on the two seated figures, and in the mouth
area of the seated figure on the right. The hand , forarm and wrist of Jesus. that is on the
table needs more defineing shadow and highlight. The chicken needes to have that golden
browned wet and crisp looking texture that it has to it when it just comes out of the oven,
along with the bread also. The fruit needs to have a wet shine to it, with stronger highlights
and shadows, to give it that shimmer and sparkle, that makes you want to pick it up and
eat it. The white table cloth needes to look like it is draped over the front of the table, there should be a highlighted crease along the front edge of the table top, where it hangs
over, and a slight shadow on the part that hangs over the edge.
These are just a few minor details, but will really add to the beauty of your already beautiful painting, and as Rebecca says, will take it to a higher level...:)
GREAT JOB SO FAR...:applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
04-10-2006, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Steph: I'm backing up Rebecca here ! I've been always fascinated by these people ! I'm also fascinated by people who can just paint traditionally without a CTRL-Z tho ... And also fascinated by you guys all who can reproduce these masterpieces in such low delays and yet so well , I'm pretty sure Caravaggio is grinning in his grave lately ! I'm fascinated by Korean people who don't like rice too ... :scream: ...
Great to see you back chearing here, Steph! :) Hey, making both Caravaggio and Steph grin in the same day is a pretty good achievement, I'd say! :D Chears!

Originally posted by abbas: I think you can emulate a soft brush effect. By default you have a standard hard brush but you can create that look by changing the brush opacity properties. its somewhat different than PS which has preset hard and soft brushes along with opacity levels for the airbrush.

It's not quite painter or art rage like, but it does the trick.

Of course my knowledge is pretty limited about these things, but this is my understanding with it so far.
No worries, abbas, I guess the main bit is just diving in. :) Enrique is doing an amazing job using mostly hard brushes and that seems to be the standard practice...I guess when using hard brushes, value control becomes even more important. Looking forward to seeing your update! :)

Originally posted by enrique: Really beautiful paint u have there, did u make the stencil in a vectorial way and then pasted it, I was thinking do something like that, over all a great work, congrats :applause:
Enrique, thanks a lot! I did make the pattern (just one section) with paths, marquee box selections, etc., and then stroked the paths so that the background was transparent. I then just placed them on top of the tablecloth and duplicated the pattern two or three times. It still needs to be made a lot more subtle, so it's not finished yet. :D

Your painting is looking amazing, and I am tremendously impressed in particular by how you paint cloth ~ it's beautiful! It's great to see you starting in on the food on the table ~ I think once you're all finished, this piece will really blow people away! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-10-2006, 04:26 PM
@Glenn:
Thanks man, all your observations will be listened, I agree with u I need to work the food, and as for the details on the characters, I cant see all the details on the jpg image but will try put them on the 4th pass, (Im on the 3rd, generally I give 4 or 5 passes before I put color), and :shrug: I havent work the tablecloth yet, but I will take note, I hope my next update like u, Thanks again.

@Rebecca:
Thanks a lot, glad u like it!!!

So you did it that way, I was thinking do that in Corel Draw and retouch it in PS, I will try it. Because I dont dominate the paths on Ps or Illustrator,:shrug:
:beer:

Rebeccak
04-10-2006, 04:41 PM
Enrique,

Yep, here is the 'stencil' I made (not traced): :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/OFDW-015_tablecloth-pattern.jpg

Each element of the design is on a separate layer, and the gray background is on a layer so that I could turn down it's opacity so you could see the tablecloth beneath. Ultimately I just discarded the gray background altogether. Eventually I added a layer of black on a low opacity setting on top of both the tablecloth and the pattern. I may blur the pattern a bit at some point as well.

The nice bit about symmetrical patterns is that you can just make one half, duplicate the layer (Ctrl + J) and then flip it horizontal (or vertical) to create the other half. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-10-2006, 06:12 PM
I couldn't resist, and made a little color test with basic layout color in some places, here it is.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/color-test.jpg

Rebeccak
04-10-2006, 06:30 PM
WOW, beautiful work, Enrique! :thumbsup: *Sigh* I guess I'll have to do this too eventually...will try to work on mine more today. Those reds are just gorgeous! Are you using the Color Blending mode? Really fantastic results! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Elliepower
04-10-2006, 06:49 PM
Hi *knocking on the table & say hello*,

Fantastic work!!! I enjoy looking at the WIPs of you all, it is amazing to see the different ways and the results.

Ciao,
Ellie

DigitalSol
04-10-2006, 07:02 PM
Rebecca, Thanks a lot here is a printscreen from how i work

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/layout.jpg

over the tonal values, i make a layer in color mode with the colors, and over this i retouch in a normal layer with overlay mode brushes, and other with hard light, after that, generally i make another layer in color mode with color variations, and after that I look for a texture for all the paint.

Ellie, any update for ur paint?, I liked very much, I hope u take it further, will wait for it.:wavey:

DigitalSol
04-10-2006, 07:07 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/layers2.jpg

Rebeccak
04-11-2006, 04:11 AM
Ellie,

Great to see you back! Thank you for the encouragement!

Enrique,

Thanks for the explanation and the screenshots! I always find that really helpful. :)

Well, as painful as the comparison is (I've come nowhere close to the perfection of the original ~ even in grayscale!!! ~ here it is:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/Comparison.jpg

Mine looks so much better when it's not next to Caravaggio's...:D

Since I can no longer see this objectively, anyone's comments and criticism is most welcome.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-11-2006, 04:36 AM
OMG I gave everyone a tiny head! :scream:

I just overlaid my version overtop of the original ~ and realize that I gave people pinheads ~ every single figure! LOL...the question is...do I have the stamina to fix the poor pinheads...I can only wonder...:D

Serves me right for not using a grid...

Good for a laugh: :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20015/comparison.gif

werd
04-11-2006, 05:23 AM
If your working with PS, the liquify tool is realy helpful for fixing proportions Rebecca(you probly already knew that tho hehe). Also I like the way you did the central guy even better than the original.

DigitalSol
04-11-2006, 02:26 PM
@Rebecca:
It looks really great, sure, is not the same that caravaggio's, but I think no one will make an exact copy, and in ur own style is great; the only thing i look a little bit strange is the paint over the tablecloth, because it is totally linear, and ur tablecloth have some drappling, but u can fix it with a displacement map or some filters like spherize or liquify, great work over all, if u fix that, 5 stars for me :thumbsup:

DigitalSol
04-11-2006, 05:42 PM
Well, some of the food is finished and I tried to follow the glenn's observations about the fruit, hope u like it, and get some feedback, thanks

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/comida.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/comida2.jpg

Rebeccak
04-11-2006, 05:55 PM
werd,

Thanks for the advice and feedback! I think my image will require major surgery, however, :D and for that I will need a bit of time to mourn the loss of the previous version's head sizes. :D Hope you'll join in on the OFDW's one day! :arteest:

Hey Enrique,

Thanks for the encouragement! :)

That food is looking good enough to eat! :D I think if you punch up the highlights on the grapes, they'll really start to pop out at the viewer. Maybe the bottom edge of the basket seems a little too rounded? Apart from these minor quibbles, this is looking fantastic! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

aggie93
04-11-2006, 08:31 PM
Hey guys, didn't look at everyone's but WOW! This is looking great Rebecca and Digital.

werd
04-12-2006, 12:57 AM
I would like to join one these workshops someday, but right now it would be embarassing for me to try and copy the paintings:D.

SpiritDreamer
04-12-2006, 01:22 AM
Hi... Enrique....:thumbsup: .....FANTASTIC JOB ON THE COLOR...:applause:

I don't know anything about the program that your using, but sure looks like you do...:)
The fruit looks great so far to me, can't wait to see the colors.
A good method for doing the highlights, is to really zing or punch them in, right at the end,
same as you would do when you paint the eyes on a human figure or any kind of living figure for that matter....really brings them to life, and gives them that nice wet sparkle, works the
same way on grapes also. I don't know if that goes with your painting method, but
thought it was worth mentioning.
Your painting is turning out to be really ...BEAUTIFUL...I had a feeling it would when I first
saw it, but was not sure, having never seen any of your work before...Quess my hunch was
corect.
Really looking forward to seeing the progress on it....:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
04-12-2006, 01:51 AM
Hi ....Rebecca.....:wavey: .....Glad to see that you are finding the time to finish this piece, don't
know how you manage it all. Your painting looks great to me, aside from the small errors
that you are already aware of..head sizes ect.....live and learn...LOL!!
I really think that it is time to experiment with some subtle textures....would really look great
in this painting...but just stay away from those filters...if you can....experiment experiment
experiment....ROF AND LOL!!....Sorry, I am weak, and just could not resist that one...:eek: :p

TAKE CARE
Glenn

DigitalSol
04-12-2006, 02:38 PM
Heya everyone.

@Werd:
Come on join the next time, people here are very kind, also this crits will help u for your improvement as artist, and I know that everyone here, will help u, as they helped me.

I saw ur thread, I seemed good for me since u are begginig in this.

Hope to see you soon.

@Glenn.

Thanks a lot, generally I apply the highlights and the darker areas till the end, thanks for the advice, Im really taking them seriously :D Im using Photoshop CS2, well this is my first participation at the forums I have never posted anything at CGtalk, but I want to become into an active member from now, whenever my ocupattions on the real life let me do it, thanks again, I hope this update like u.

@Aggie93.
Big Thanks.

@Rebecca.
Thanks a lot, well, yeah, my basket is a bit rounded even for me too, :D I will try to retouch it, and still Im not pleased with the grapes, can u tell me how u see them?, thanks!!!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/comida-detallada.jpg

Thanks everyone

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 03:33 PM
Fantastic update, Enrique! I think regarding the grapes, the only thing I might say would be to try adding a bit of black around the outer edges to really make them stand out ~ that plus making the small white specular highlight on each grape a bit brighter will bring them out a bit more. Maybe only really give emphasis to a group at the bottom or top ~

I confess I haven't worked on mine more :D ~ I'll try to get back to it today, and post an update soon. :)

Keep up the great work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-12-2006, 04:00 PM
Hi....Enrique....looking at that food makes me hungry....think that I better go fix some lunch.:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

DigitalSol
04-12-2006, 04:06 PM
@Rebecca.

Thanks, I will try it, I hope u find time for finish ur piece, I like it veery much.:arteest:

@Glenn.
Hahaha, I better do the same, I havent take my breakfast and is 11,04 am here.
laterz

SpiritDreamer
04-12-2006, 04:32 PM
Hi...Enrique....Don't know if you have seenn it yet, but in the ..Favorite Figurative Artists -Links section
on this forum, there is a GREAT ..Caravggio link..it is on page #2 ... frame # 24 ..goes by years, this painting
can be found in the...1600 -03 years....in there, you can at top of screen..chang background
to black, and enlarge the image...200 per cent...gives you a really nice and clear view of those
grapes. Just thought that I would mention it, in case you didn't know about it...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

DigitalSol
04-12-2006, 05:52 PM
Glenn, you are going to kill me, but I cant fin it, can u post the link please? thanks a lot

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 05:57 PM
Enrique,

Here is the Favorite Figurative Artists (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282224&page=1&pp=15) thread:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282224&page=1&pp=15

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-12-2006, 06:00 PM
Thanks a lot Becca :)

Enrique,

Here is the Favorite Figurative Artists (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282224&page=1&pp=15) thread:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282224&page=1&pp=15

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Edit: Exellent links over there!!!

DigitalSol
04-12-2006, 06:29 PM
I dont have too much work here, so, I'm working on the paint, here is a little update

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/update.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/2.jpg

DigitalSol
04-12-2006, 06:37 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/up3.jpg

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 07:03 PM
Wow, just fantastic! :applause: Beautiful work on the vases and the reflections ~ can't wait to see this finished! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

depleteD
04-12-2006, 09:29 PM
Wow, some absolutley incredible work here. I finnaly found the time to participate on this thread. Heres my wip.
Jus a hour
http://people.uleth.ca/%7Eandrew.melnychukosee/workshop15/workshopprogressStep1.jpg

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 09:39 PM
Andrew,

Really cool start to this piece, I like the rough slices you are making with the brush, that's quite cool! Are you doing that just to establish things initially? Looking forward to your progress!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

aggie93
04-13-2006, 08:59 PM
Digital and depleteD - You both have some great work going.

Digital - you have done a great job this OFDW. I cannot believe the progress you have made on the table. I'd gave up after the figures. "we're not worthy, we're not worthy"

depleteD - even if you leave it with the brush strokes like that, you have done a fantastic job in depicting the action he is taking without all the details. I like!

SpiritDreamer
04-14-2006, 12:00 PM
Hi...Enrique.....:) .....Very impressive painting and skill shown in it's creation...:thumbsup:

I hope that link was of some help to you, ...your table setting is turning out ...FANTASTIC.:bounce:

Can't wait to see the colors ....really amazed at your skill in that area also....:scream:

Great job so far...looking forward to seeing this piece finished...and more of this caliber of
work from you in the future.....like I said,...very impressive and also very inspireing...:)

PS....does that bread have a glistening glaze on it's top.....can't remember, but thought that
I would mention it....:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

depleteD
04-15-2006, 11:08 PM
Ah hello again,

Rebeccak- Well I'm gald I can finnally do one of these. Arg. Yea this is kind of my way of working. I'm really likeing corels artist's oils. ALot. They are really intuitive and quick for blending. This is just a quick sketch and block. I take off my glasses and paint. :)

aggie93-Thanks man :)

Well heres my update
blended the colors for a hour and abit.


http://people.uleth.ca/%7Eandrew.melnychukosee/workshop15/workshopprogressStep2.JPG

Rebeccak
04-16-2006, 02:25 PM
Andrew,

Looking good! Glenn / SpiritDreamer's favorite blending tool is Just Add Water, and it really works nicely! You might try blending in places (not too much) with the blender of your choice.

I also think giving him a background might be helpful ~ up to you. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
04-16-2006, 08:39 PM
It´s not that I don´t find the time to participate in this workshop... I don´t find the time to paint at all:banghead: And, that makes me really sad, and a bit stressed actually :(
But I´m lurking around here as often as I can, downloading the referencepics, just in case there will be an hour or two where I can steal some time with my brushes. They will come - sooner or later.
But until then, I look in awe at your beautiful paintings! What progress you´re all making! Caravaggio is meeting his match here:)

Keep it up - and I´ll join you soon again I hope :wavey::wavey::wavey:

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 03:41 AM
SaraD,

I was really wondering what had happened to you! It's great to hear from you, it's been a bit quiet in terms of the regulars, and it's nice to see you're about. :) Here's hoping you can find some time soon! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

depleteD
04-17-2006, 04:47 AM
AH thanks for the heads up rebecca, My blender of choice is wet oily pallet knife and soft blender brush, I havn't used just add water one, I will try it out tonite. Oddly enough I'm at the point where its time to blend. THis was just half an hour, but its at the point where I blendblend blend blend :). Wanted to show the level where I stop blocking.

http://people.uleth.ca/%7Eandrew.melnychukosee/workshop15/workshopprogressStep3.JPG

And an hour a bit later

http://people.uleth.ca/%7Eandrew.melnychukosee/workshop15/workshopprogressStep4.JPG

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 01:58 PM
Andrew,

Nice blending so far! Is there any particular reason why you like to work against a pure white background? :D I think that this would make things a lot harder than they need to be ~ also it affects all your colors. :) It might be interesting to see a few warm tones in the reflected light areas...nice work with the overall balance and proportions!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-17-2006, 02:36 PM
Hello everyone, I took a 4 days vacation :)

@Rebecca.
Thanks a lot, glass has never being my speciality, but I tried to do something nice for this one, glad to heard it likes u. :arteest:

@aggie93.
Thank u very much, well, I had that temptation too, but I thought that I spend lots of time in the characters, so, I spend a little bit more on the table, thanks a lot for your words again. :wavey:

@Glenn.
Hope this update likes u, thank for the compliment.

I didn't understand at all this "PS....does that bread have a glistening glaze on it's top.....can't remember, but thought that
I would mention it.... " my english is not good enough. :shrug:

I took a look around in ur portfolio, u have some beautiful work there, congrats :applause:
I haven't made mine because I had some troubles at the create porfolios page, dont know why, but I push create porfolio and nothing happends, maybe later..

anyway great work, thanks again for the encouragment.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/colores.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/colorescloseup1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/colorescloseup2.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/colorescloseup3.jpg

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 03:05 PM
Wow, Enrique!

I feel like such a slacker! :D Heh, I will definitely have to work more on mine. Your piece is just gorgeous! :) The painting is just emanating warmth. Beautiful work...can't wait to see this finished! :applause:

The close~ups are great!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-17-2006, 03:21 PM
Hi....Enrique...:) .....BEAUTIFUL COLORS.....really like that touch of purple in the background,
nice touch...:thumbsup:
That glistening glaze on the bread that I mentioned, is when you brush butter on the top of the loaf
of bread, and then bake it in the oven....makes the crust on the top of the loaf of bread
glisten or have a slight shine to it...more so than the rest of the loaf of bread.
Can't wait to see the colors in the food, and on the table top....:)
Thank you also for the kind words concerning my paintings, and am really looking forward to
seeing more of yours....:) :thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

DigitalSol
04-17-2006, 03:49 PM
@Rebecca.
Thank u very very much, as a fact, this process (coloring) is the faster in all the paint, all the colors were set in around 35 min. i felt that i must to start with the colors because, I'm getting bored with the values, later I will back to them for some retouches, glad to hear it likes u.

@Glenn.
Thanks man, got the bread thing, and I will try it, here in Mexico, there is not to much space for the illustrations with serious themes, :cry: apart from my personal works, almost all my paints are for children's books, and the most part of all my renders are for poduct shots.

I will try to make my portfolio here is very difficult for me since I dont know too much about the internet's forums, (that is too much technology for me, i guess :D), if somebody could help me, I'll be thankful, thanks to everyone.

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 04:01 PM
Enrique,

I think I know the problem.

Unfortunately, you can't have a space in your username, you have to change your name before being able to create a CGPortfolio ~ this is because the URL of your CGPortfolio page is based on your username, and a URL can't have spaces or odd characters.

To change your name, go here:

Can you please change my name? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=244314)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=244314

And pretty shortly your name will be changed. Once your name has been changed, you should be able to create a CGPortfolio. I recommend posting to the "Can you please change my name thread" something like:

"I wish to change my user name so that I can create a CGPortfolio. Please change my name to DigitalSol"

(or whatever name you, Enrique, prefer).

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-17-2006, 04:17 PM
Done, thanks a lot becca :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 04:20 PM
No problem! Looking forward to seeing your Portfolio up. :)

DigitalSol
04-17-2006, 10:39 PM
What do u think guys and gals, Im pleased with this one, also I want to start a new project, should I just consider finished or not?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/terminado.jpg

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 10:43 PM
Enrique,

A quick answer, and I will try to answer more in depth later...

Perhaps there is too much magenta in the painting? I can understand your wanting to move on, but you've come this far, you should try to perfect this! :thumbsup:

Particularly in the foreground character's right hand, I think it's too red / orange. Can you post a larger image (800 width) for us to inspect? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

aggie93
04-17-2006, 10:45 PM
Sol - Great work. Good to see you stick with it to the end! Everything turned out clean and so finite. Look forward to more participation, maybe in the self portrait thread. It has been fun.

Reb - What's next on the OFDW? I should be able to contribute on the next one. I also almost bought a Walcom this weekend. I am going to shop for the lowest price and then I'll do some digitals. They come with photoshop and coral for $199 for the 4x5. Is that good?

DigitalSol
04-17-2006, 10:49 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/SupperAtEmmaus.jpg

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 10:49 PM
Guys,

So, next Sunday night a new OFDW will start.

Any suggestions for images? Tizianoadmirer has sent me one already that I'll probably include.

I am thinking mix of Master Copy and basic reference again.

If you have a link to a particular image on Art Renewal, feel free to post the link here. The major requirement is that there are figures and that the image is hi~res.

I still have a number of Master Painting reference images in the queue that I'll post later for review.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 10:51 PM
Enrique,

Thanks for that bigger version! :) I think there is too much orange on the left side of the picture, and too much pink in the tablecloth so far. You really want all of the emphasis to go to J's face, and I think the orange is a bit too distracting and uniform.

But ~ overall, just really beautiful work. :applause:When you are completely finished, would you consider creating a Tutorial for your piece here in the Forum (as a separate Tutorial thread)?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-17-2006, 11:04 PM
I made some adjustments, I have almost all the colors in separated layers, what u think now? take it 2 or 3 days more, or consider it finished? thanks to all in advance

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/SupperAtEmmaus2.jpg

DigitalSol
04-17-2006, 11:18 PM
@Aggie 93.
Thanks a lot man, I fight it all the time I could, its hard to keep the rythm with Caravaggio, what a such great master. I made all that i could, I think that I should consider it finished this because if not I will be trapped on it, but all this work make that my respect for Caravaggio multiplies for 10, is there an selfportrait thread?.

@Rebecca.
Thanks for ur opinion,:D, for the next OFDW how about something from Degas, Michel Angel, Goya or Rembrant :)

Sure I would like to make the tutorial as a new thread, but I found a problem and is my english, I'm not quite sure if I speak it as well for a tutorial :cry:

I enjoy to speak with all at this forum all the time.

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 11:24 PM
Hi Enrique, :)

I'm off to dinner but will try to give you a better critique later. Of course, you're doing a great job! I would say the main thing would be to add a bit more variety in the color on the foreground character, particularly his hand and the chair.

A tutorial need not be very word ~ heavy, but you should do only what you feel most comfortable doing. :) A simple step by step showing each stage would really be enough ~ it would just be cool to see everything together. :)

Degas, Michel Angel, Goya or Rembrant
I'll definitely look into these artists!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-18-2006, 03:21 AM
Hi...Enrique....:) :applause: .......FANTASTIC JOB ...:thumbsup: :bounce:

Just my opinion here that I am speaking now....two things that I would take a little further
if this were mine would be to put a subtle light area around the edge of the the beard of the forground figure, the one with his hands on the arms of the chair..should be able to see light coming through along beards edge...darkest at center of beard, lighter color as you get toward
the edges of the beard....brown copperish red color alonge edge will define it...very sublte or
faint effect ...
The other thing woud be to add a little more shadow seperating that BOTTOM PLANE that forms the cheek of Jesus from the corner of his mouth...the lighted side of his face...left side as I am looking at it. Right now it looks like he has a scar running from his lower cheek, to the corner of his mouth...there is a shadow that runnes vertical, seperating the cheek
from the corner of the lips and mouth...the lighted area under his nose, is next to a shadow
which is next to the lighted cheek....this shadow seperates the two planes.
Could also stand a little texture on the clothing , hand and chair of the forground figure
mentined above....will bring him into the forground that much more...more detail = more
forground illusion...will pop him right out of the picture plane, makeing the illusion complete.
Just minor details at this point, but sometimes they can make all the difference in the world.
Been a real pleasure seeing you work...really looking forward to seeing your next piece...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
04-18-2006, 06:41 PM
Hi guys,

I'll be offline Wednesday and Thursday, so I'm not ignoring you :D ~ Enrique, really looking forward to seeing your next update!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-18-2006, 10:07 PM
Hi every one, I made this last version with the adjustments that u gals & guys ask, I hope this likes u, I will finish this at this point because, if not I will be trapped for it, if somebody wants a hi.res. just ask it, I will make a tutorial from this, just if the case u are interested, as my first experience at CG talk this was great :thumbsup:, hope u like it.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Supper_at_Emmausfinal.jpg

Rebeccak
04-18-2006, 10:24 PM
Enrique,

Fantasic job! :applause: The hand on the foreground figure looks fantastic!!! You've done such a brilliant job with this...I really hope that you will submit your finished work to the Gallery...the one tiny suggestion I would have is that the really red piece of fruit is a little distracting, but that is really minor...definitely post a hi~res version, and I'd love to see a Tutorial! :thumbsup:

Great work, and it's been a pleasure to work with you. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-18-2006, 11:54 PM
Thanks a lot becca, the pleassure was all mine, if there is somebody interested in a hi res image, I just uploaded to my recently created CGportfolio, is still the only image I have, the linked image is a big one. Thanks everyone.

Rebeccak
04-19-2006, 12:00 AM
Oh, that's great! I've just posted to your Guestbook. :)

Brilliant work, am really looking forward to OFDW 016!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-19-2006, 12:06 AM
Thanks Becca, sure I'll be there :thumbsup:

I reaaally would like to had a teacher like u at the university. :)

Thanks for be the first by writting in my guest book.:love: