The Journey Begins Challenge (2D) Entry: Berkay Dincman

[individium]

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hi everybody i'm completely new in this society, in forum stuff, and cg art but i got lots of ideas idont have much time yet to work on my sketches but i will soon, so tell me which one you like best. ok here i go first with the journey of the mankind ;)

[individium]

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some sort of halfdog-halfman (maybe quarter) is just starting a journey for his lost/kidnapped friend.

[individium]

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you wake up one morning and you dont have a face, enough reason for a long journey...

[Jori]

Oh, I like this concept, original, I'm waiting to see more. (how can the guy without a face - and then eyes - look at himself in a mirror?).

[individium]

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a young boy finds himself in an escape pod or something, approaching to a planet (like earth).
ok those are the first 4 ideas i got some more but ill soon start to work on them. please tell me which one you like more and why?

[individium]

(how can the guy without a face - and then eyes - look at himself in a mirror?).

thanks jori i think thats the best part of it, mysterious isnt it :eek:? even i get curious about it :scream:

[Nigio]

Hi, of your four ideas, I prefer the first one (paradise expulsion). I think it´s a good theme, maybe you´d try another graphic approach. It´s a theme oftenly painted in art history, a look at the old masters could help you.
Good luck!

[Arc80]

Welcome man,

I like the last post in terms of idea, Just play around with the composition more. That definately feels more like a begining of a journey.

goodluck and i'll be watching
cheers

[ahbeejieh]

Welcome to the most awesome CG community ever :P Tnx for checkin my thread out. Now some comments...

I like the half-dog, half-man thing. It's got potential for a good creature design. It'll also be interesting how you're going to show in the picture that his friend is missing.

The man with no face kinda intrigues me. It's got the "weird" factor in there. Just dont know what the backstory of the image will be and how you're going to show that he's going to be in some kind of journey.

The other 2, I think is just a little bit cheezy. The Adam and Eve journey of mankind's been interpreted too many times already. Try something new with the idea. Like maybe the Adam and Eve of an alien race instead? And the boy in the escape pod is just too Superman-ish for me.

Anyway, goodluck with this. Hope you find the right concept for you. We all got time anyways, so keep punching! ~peace

[individium]

nigio - thanks for choosing adam and eve that was my first favorite but even my friend said to pick another one(i think i will) i wanted to give their first moment in earth in their expression, of course a 5minute sketch is not enough to give it. i really like to make this one
but the history behind it scares me(the art history) if i cant make it perfect it will suck.

arc80 - thanks man, you meant the escape pod didnt you:surprised :)

ahbeejieh - yeah it feels like home already, thanks for comments. the dog-man idea is too incomplete yet and has potential as you say but the most voted ones are (including my friends) man without a face and the escape pod and for the pod(even though i didnt mean to it feels supermanish to me too) and my first thread are as you say not much original.

really thanx for all your comments all of you they all make me feel better. i have another 4-5 concepts i didnt have time to draw when i do dont forget to give comments for those too.
:buttrock:
peace

[TheFightingGoddess]

I agree with Arc80...the last concept might be the best...
:lightbulb I think you should focus on the idea of "beginning" showing the planet the boy's leaving too...not just him in the space-means!
Hope I've been clear.. :blush:
Good luck guy! :beer:

[individium]

maria- thanks for the comment,:)
i thought of an explosion:D or a war scene at the far back, like he' left a ship behind, but i cant be sure:shrug: becouse i dont want the planet he's going to land to be so close to his escape source, i'll work on it.
i'll change the angle and put the planet reflection to a better part of the glass to make it understandable that it is the place he's going. pod is going to change a lot, and i'll give some kind of a gun to the child for him to hug as if it was given by his parent before they died and make him look at the planet he is going to land with a tear on his eye and maybe i'll put some sort of dried blood sowhere around:arteest:

but im still not sure of which one to do:drool: i have about 6 more ideas ill put them soon. and maybe i'll start to all of them and leave them one by one.

:beer:for new comments! :)

[TheFightingGoddess]

Don't you think that focusing on the aim-planet close towards him
and leaving the place he's departing from far away
you would give the idea of "arrival" more than "leaving" therefore
an ending and not a beginning of a journey?
Bypass my post if I've misunderstood what you said! :blush:
See you soon! :D

[individium]

no you undrestand it right. and you re writing right things too. but leaving the planet is the beginning of a long and boooooring(<-with the voice of the homer simpson) journey (for him) and i think the epic and horrible or fun part of the journey is beginning with a new planet, what do you think? will he survive? who knows:shrug: but i've imagined a suitible atmosphere for him (i'll draw it outside the picture):wise:
im telling too much story dont i?:D

but i'll think about what you said too:hmm:

thanks again maria see you!:)

[Squibbit]

o yea the dog idea is unique, if you can portray clearly what is happening
that might be good, but it might not be that easy

the face concept made me laugh, but hey ain't that easy travelin when u got no
eyes and ears

the last one might be ok if u had like spaceliner in the background, attacked by other
ships or just been destroyed by an asteroid or sumthin and the dude in the pod would be
like teary eyed, falling to a unknown planet and holding in hand a pic of his parents or
sumthin that were left behind in the spaceliner or someplace else


.

[individium]

thanks for the comment panu
about the pod i think near the same as you do about giving something to child to hold (from his parents) i wrote it two posts ago and about spaceliner too. im thinkin bout them...
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and about the dogman thats the haredest one to express here if done right i think it will be great one but im a little bit afraid of that one but im not giving up.

and about the faceless mani he's not laughing back at you is he? not that he cant :P :)
i have a nice doomed(how can these two words come together like this) story for that guy
but i need time to make some stuff ok. next week i'll be doing somethings to here but these days im fighting for another challenge.

[blakbird]

Scuttling into a vast jungle planet view, imagine that. That was one of my concepts in my mind. If you want to do such an artwork, i may give some hints from my scope of view. So I push for the last one, escape pod but not in space, crashed in a planet.

Keep going!!

[individium]

i was too busy lately and i couldnt update or look here and thats why i couldnt answer.
so

thanks for comment le-go i really didnt think of it before it flashes more ideas
in my mind but somebody used a theme like that not the same but similar although i think crashed pod and being surrounded by primitive humanoids may be nice but in this version i like the idea of the planet reflection on the glass and expression of the boy (which will come later:)). theres a lot to change in this version too. but i wil make a sketch for both versions if i can.

i hope to post my other ideas in mind to here if i can until the next week:D

[Cyberone]

so far i like the escape pod and the man with o face...but i have to admit the man with no face is cool but not really telling the story so straight forward...

so id go for the escape pod one for sure...

just my two cents :)

looking forwart to some updates/ and or more ideas...

[individium]

thanks for the comment cyberone. i'll do something soon i hope

[makaron]

escape pod shows in a good way a start of a journey :) gonna be fun to see what you update with next

[ramy badie]

I like the adam and eve, an interesting take on it would be to have the creation of eve from adam's rib, I feel like that would show a different kind of journey, I guess the beginning of the journey of humankind or something. Hopefully you will come up with something that you are completely satisfied with :)

[Arc80]

Yup, i meant the escape pad, leaving the planet for a beginning of a long journey. Already it has a sci/fi sound to it, which i'm a big fan of. plus i dont see many entries here that are scifi oriented. Anyway, will be back to see more progress and sketches from you.

cheers and hope you're doing well

[ralphmanning]

Funny thread.

you wake up one morning and you dont have a face, enough reason for a long journey...Haha, this made me laugh. :)

(how can the guy without a face - and then eyes - look at himself in a mirror?)....and this totally cracked me up. :D

Nice ideas so far.

The escape pod one is the best by far I think. A definite indication of a journey beginning. I can see it now - the sight of a lush, densely vegetated planet, not too dissimilar to earth - uninhabited and unexplored by humans - a whole world of new and bizarre species of creatures and plant-life.

But in terms of the actual drawings, the 'no-faced guy' is my favorite - I like 'tonal' sketches.

To-be-honest, I dislike the dog-human idea. I'd scrap that if I were you.

I'll be checking back here. Keep it up! Good luck. ;)

[individium]

makaron-thanks for the comment
ramy badie-thank you, but ( at least for now) unfortunately that wont be my final thread but i like that one too and i will finish it too i hope.
arc80-yeah sci-fi rocks:buttrock:, thanks man, hope youre doing well too
xeophex-thank you im glad you liked my ideas. yeah im gonna work on the pod and the faceless first i cannot choose one of them yet but i also got new sketches coming soon i had about 10 or more ideas more but ive elimineted most of them so there will be about 2-3 more coming i guess. haha and about the faceless man yeah that was not a serious and i had fun reading the answers too. but that man is some sort of archaeologist in lots of trouble with lots of artifacts(yeah the magical ones) and face taken by some sort of curse by a creature. he lost his face but he has some sort of sight that makes him see.(alien dont have eyes but can see[miracle of nature:P]) haha whatever this is a very very short summary of that ones. and good luck to you too.

i have decided to write the stories of my threads (simply of course:D) which i hope to do as soon as possible and put them around here. ok i am very busy lately and it looks like its going to stay but im not giving this up:D, some new ones coming right now but still hand sketches. ok enough talk(for me now :))

[individium]

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ok at last something new :)

boy's granddad is dead as a poor and ordinary one but a man comes in and makes the boy figure out that he is not by giving him a letter from his grandpa including inheritence and a duty(yeah a loong journey)

[individium]

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ok this will be the pose i guess but ill do more close up to face he'll be on a bed and there will be a pillow with some blood split on it and there will be a letter left or some sort of phone number written on his hand or body with his blood or a lipstick. i told him not to sleep with someone he doesnt know but he didnt listen.. now he is a newborn vampire, a long journey awaits...

[ralphmanning]

You have lots of very different ideas! :)

I quite like the idea of the letter or something with a more subtle suggestion like that, of a journey beginning. But would it be too subtle and unclear that it is in fact a journey beginning?

Looking forward to another update. Have you decided on a concept yet? I'm still deciding between mine too.

[Samanthie]

Hi Berkay!:) If you are still deciding I like the grandpa and grandson because it has alot of emotional appeal but I think my favorite is the escape pod. I like the idea of the planet he escaped from exploding in the bg and the destination planet in the distance. A big thank you from me for all of your input on my entry and I wish you the best of luck!

[individium]

thanks ralph i didnt think it that way but you're right. i've got another idea with the letter:
read letter stays on bed, boy has made himself ready for the journey wearing the armors from an opened box with a serious expression.

thank you too debbie
most of the people likes the pod, i like it too

i've got few more concepts unfortunately i havent decided yet but pod is the higest possiblity becouse it expresses the journey beginning most. but i think of the faceless man too and the latest ones too.

[APHA]

I replied to your message. :cool:

HERE IS MINE 2d J (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3435042)

[individium]

thanks apha good luck to you too

[Elrond56]

Gotta love this thread for the originality of challenging ideas . . . and I just had to throw in my 2 cents.

The faceless wonder is being led on the journey to recover his self/image by the half dog, half man. Together they are about to embark (excuse the pun) . . . the dog is leading the man to a space pod and in the distant sky is the moon, luminous and of course with it's craters and mountains dimly staring down at the pair. The dog could even be howling . . . This may seem crazy but I'm serious!

Good luck Individium

[individium]

thanks elrond, yes that must be the craziest idea in this challange:) and i like it.
i prefer my concepts seperetaly but i'll give it a try sometime(if i have time). it'll be fun.
good luck to you too

[EdP-Art]

Half dog idea needs a bit more detail to get the story, it might work. I like your tonal sketch of the guy with no face but Xeophex does have a point, no eyes for the mirror. The Adam and Eve need more deatil too, at the moment there is no story except 'look I found an apple'. The boy in the pod could be good, if you show a city or destination point on the horizon of the planet which he will have to go to to survive might work.

Looking forward to your updates

*Ed

[individium]

thank you Ed:)
The Adam and Eve need more deatil too, at the moment there is no story except 'look I found an apple'. hahaha:D man this tear me apart laughing maybe i'll change the concept to :
"-honey somebody bite all the apples we grow on the backyard while we were sleeping:cry:
-what the? -look here it is -dont cry, i will go and find whoever did this and make him pay! ":D:)

[individium]

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hi with a new concept again, ok this is the last concept im posting for this journey:) this one is just for fun i dont know if i will ever return to this one.
but do leave comments about it too

by the way the story is:
he was surfing on the net and he find that interesting online adventure game. it says "it's going to be the journey of your life." he clicked the button in the middle of the screen and find himself in the game.

[Samanthie]

The latest concept is funny.:) If you decide to go with it though you may need to add some characters around him with shocked expressions on their faces by what is happening or maybe they are grabbing his feet and they all getting pulled in. Just a couple of ideas. Whatever you decide to go with I wish you luck!

[individium]

thanks debbie i dont think i'll continue with this one but i like the idea of putting other people in this picture too if i have any chance maybe i'll do it later too

[individium]

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i started with the vampire concept but i'll go on with the escape pod also but working with this one made me feel more comfortable (thats becouse i like working with figures) anyway heres how i work:

i started overall coloring and than general shadowing than i made the hand on another layer i left detailing fingers for later, than i made ear, nose and eyes. eyes and eyelid needed lots of paths and three layers and 2 hours of texture work with retina and 3 hours of cleaning computer(that has gone insane) and here we are

[individium]

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ok here we are.
many details are finished yet many more there are...

he is lying on a bed therefore i'v been searching satin textures. he'll be a rich guy, but dead! no problem there he still can spend his money but needs to look for a night job.

anyway i'll go on with teeth and fingers and bed than hair. thats it for now.

[EdP-Art]

Getting Scared of this guy I know he's the victim but I wouldn't like to meet him any morning soon. Fair paly for putting so much time into it. Are you working in PhotoShop or a 3D program?

*Ed

[individium]

photoshop:)
i know it looks like 3d but i dont know 3d stuff much yet:sad:, anyway i hope you like it i try to fix some errors as soon as possible and try to make it look better.

but these days my computer is gettin out of control first i must find a way to fix that:banghead:

by the way he wont be any problem in the morning but dont invite him to your house :P :D

[jeromoo]

Hi Berkay, looking at your concept has given me some new ideas. The newly minted vampire could be reaching out to the opened window.. his body transforming into a Vampire Bat. Outside, more vampire bats can be seen flying in a group towards the moon, joined by others along the way. The city buildings can also be seen outside, so we can tell that he was once a normal citizen who somehow got infected. I think this idea conveys the theme "The Journey Begins". Your current piece doesn't quite have that feel. It looks like a Portrait of a Vampire instead. Put an interesting but functional background there to help drive the theme home if you still decide to go ahead with this one.

All the best!

[individium]

thanks jeromoo your idea is great. i know its just an ordinary unfinished portrait yet but i'll try to get the feeling with the things i'll add on both background and foreground of the picture. and i also think of doing the escape pod concept after nearly finishing this one.

i need help about something: any advice on screen calibration and color preferences of photoshop to have the same result on print and monitor.

[individium]

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i have solved a problem with his right eye i think its alright now but still need advice on it please feel free to criticize. and now he is not standing nor floating i wanted to use black sheet and red pillow or the opposite but it will be too dark although i started with red sheet now im not sure and i may change it to some other color since there will be blood clots over those sheets and pillow.

and i made near the half of pillow but still some more work on that part too but i think it feels like a pillow on those parts.

i'll be away until weekend and working on paper with watercolor and acrylic and lots of stuff without breathing. until than take care.

peace

[Samanthie]

Hey Berkay, Haven't seen an update in a while. I hope you will post one soon. Thanks for all the input you gave me on my image. It really made a difference I think.:)

[individium]

i'm glad if done any help debbie yes i was very busy lately im pushing every challange i see these months. this monday i finished one work, 2 or 3 weeks ago another was done and until this wednesday i'll try to finish an advertisement movie for another challenge (this one looks the most impossible one ever) and after wednesday there will only be my school and cg and work (i thought i will only have cg :surprised) so it will be like i will only have cg :) soon i'll post new updates i want to finish this one mostly and start the escape pod next week.

thanks for passing by
see you later

[PATTY SCHERER]

Berkay Dincman is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=11197)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: he is just awaken and im about to sleep
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Well done. However, I did not understand quite well the sort of journey he will do resting his head in a pillow. Anyway, it is a very impressive painting because I start imagining a psiquic journey made by him to his own mind.

[individium]

thanks patricia
well there will be a letter left or some sort of phone number written on his hand or body with his blood or a lipstick, that will show us that he'll call his sire and some afterlife duty waits for him. this concept inspirated from 'vampire the masquerade' i hope to give the journey feeling somehow.
i'm glad you liked it.
if you like any other of my concepts please tell it too i'm still thinking about my final concept.

[oceanbluesky]

Hey Berkay, interesting concept...hope to see more updates and coloring...good luck!

[BlackDidThis]

I don't exactly think that you should actually force the concept to us with a phone number or an address.
Maybe just a few more marks left to the room or the bed of the "Visit".


I can understand Patricia (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=222348)'s point... but the journey he is to be ongoing is a journey of it's own... one that shall change his life completely.
There are points in people's lives when you start to classify as "from that day on" and "before that day"...

According to my humble opinion, you have well captured one of those moments that has a painful transition involved.
My only comment would be that we are not seeing the journey of such changes... We do not see any pain/agony or relief/revelation. Not that there is any documentation on how one would or should feel while turning into a vampire... But none the less it is up to you to interpret it and try to make sure we can actually FEEL what the poor/lucky victim is going through.

Because in this state; as impressive as your skills may be; it looks no more a journey than some one waking up with a hangover, or who forgot a mornings meeting.


I hope I was not too cruel. I believe you have found a god catch and definitely are gifted enough to present a successful image.
Everything is going very well... I am just trying to push it a little bit more.


Black

[Llynna]

ieks........ some creepy vampire you got there. just wondering about the type of vampire..... playing vampire somehow affects your mind. you cant watch anything vampiric anymore without thinking hm is it a Ravnos or .....

maybe you should add some more stuff to enhance the feeling of a journey.

and you should try to integrate the character more into the scene atm he seems to be floating over the pillow.

have a good time and update regularly :)

[akahraman]

Hey my friend...:wavey:

Very first i want to thank you SO much that you cause to join me in this challenge at CG Society. This is a nice begining and a good journey for me which is an unexpected fortuity with the journey concept.

I am still waiting for your entry updates...Wake up with this vampire. Where are UUU?:scream:


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[EdP-Art]

Get your ass out of bed, just because some vamp bite you is no reason to spend your life in bed. We want to see the story here. Your not going to leave him all on his own naked like that are you. You've got 2 weeks to finish it.

Let's see an update

*Ed

[individium]

hi everybody, i had many other challenges lately and i had to fight with some other bloodsuckers in my life and like all other time lots of work come after and after each other when i want to do things like this but i dont give up easily so here i am again right after this message im starting to work over this thing again.

thanks eric right now im starting for a new update.

hey black i get excited as i read your comment, its great to have someone understand what youre trying to do and improve it. you opened my mind and give me new ideas.i'll try to do little, however effective changes about adding some kind of vampiric aura on the picture.
and about the expression you're right, yet not well understood i think mostly becouse of the absence of teeth and hair and wounds. im trying to give the feeling of awakening with not knowing anything like this : 'what!?.. what is happening? why is blood everywhere? wheres she? am i dead? why do i feel so much healthy? my.. my heaRT!!? its not beating?...' goes on like this. the expression is te most important thing in this picture i hpoe to give it at least near perfectly becouse it will be my own reward or penalty for my picture and myself.just as you pointed out the whole journey must be read from the vampire's expression, yeah a hard goal but i want to reach it!
i was thinking about leaving a note for the vampire or a phone number or some stuff from his sire i am even thinking about making a woman's hand holding his arm and making him look at her but. i've still not decided at that point yet.
and no this was not cruel at all but mostly improving as i said. i really thank you for your critique and hope you to stop by as i update:)

haha britta yes i had exactly the same feeling, watching a vampire movie and thinking: this one acts like a brujah and this one is just like a ventrue:D... and thanks for the comment i'll try to make some updates and lots of improvement soon, you have a good time too:)

i'm right here and awaken my friend:) nice to see you around here, i couldnt let my friend miss this kind of a journey:) i was sure that you would do a great work for this place and i couldn't let you leave the opportunity to feed your knowledge in this society. it already started to feel like your virtual home isn't it:)

and ed thank you for your provoking:) yes sir! i'll do sir! im starting to work right now!

[Llynna]

haha, i got you now, youre a pen and paper freak ;) somehow it affects the brain eh? or rather was the brain affected before? reminds me to finish my lasombra picture ;)

well we will never know.........


as for your entry, try to smooth your outlines, that will improve the painting. maybe you should add god rays and make him perish so that his soul will finally start the eternal journey or such.

[individium]

am i? hmmm yes i may be. :)
as for the advice i'll try it makes sense britta thanks but the reason of sharp outlines is im working with a mouse and its battery cover is broken.
and what do you know about god-rays club?:curious::D
i wont perish him by the way, i wont make god rays but i will make some sort of aura im not sure yet maybe ill just express it with lightning effects

[individium]

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as i think most of you know (as what we have told) vampires cant survive sunlight so this must be a nightscene and it always had been.

this is a habit of mine, i usually finish my work (mostly) in my head and make sketches that could be understood by me and rest stays on words than i start to work, and progress goes on some sort of layers (yeah they somehow are like the layers of photoshop but im not talking about the layers of ps here). like this example:
first drawing skeleton than, flesh than, skin than, clothes...

and my composition develops like this usually. as for my picture i nearly finished it's skeleton and some of flesh, but it needs lots of things more.

right now pillow still not finished yet halfway through, i have not touched the figure yet, i couldnt hold myself back from trying the lightning effects for the night scene; there is a window to his left and the light is coming form there i think its an apartment in a high building so no shiny citylights are present inside but still its not much dark.

this is just a trial for light and i can say im satisfied with the result, although it wont stop me from trying different lightnings. but for now i just saved the lighting effect i made for further use and im going to continue on the morning like lighted scene night will come with final coloring sessions:)

ok enough talk!

lets see what you think? :)

[cbernardo]

Wow, this is a very dark idea, and very well executed! I really like it!!
He is in a coffin?

[]s
carlos

[walrus]

Aha, so now your true colors come out! :) Actually, I quite like these colors. It's a lot moddier, which is appropriate. I'll be looking forward to seeing the rest of the piece when you've toned it down to this new palette. Good luck!

-mike

[individium]

im glad you like it carlos, thanx. no he's in his bed.

thank you micheal im glad to see you at my posts. ill update in 1 or 2 days.

[BlackDidThis]

Wow.. I am flattered.
Had I known you would rank them so highly I would have spent more time on typing everything that crossed my mind... though wait.. then that would have made me boring wouldn't it?
(Gosh I can not believe that I am literally proving Michael (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?userid=122885) right about being the dark one!
I just noticed that I am only commenting on the "other-side" images)


I think I can relate to the way you firstly approve everything in your mind. And then sort of try to use drawing as a language to try and express the series of emotions you had in your head. Just like some what using words... just that the vocabulary of it is shapes and lines.
And personally I find those that notice that they think this way are more able to express themselves with painting than others. :thumbsup:



I will have to agree with you on trying to generate an image that is from the dark of the night... or if not to include the burns of light rays (There is such a wide myth and deep set of documentation on vampires... you can just change everything with smallest of decisions)
And I guess I'll have to admit that I liked your latest version much more. Guess I just can't tolerate too much saturation (my vampire eyes you see... too much saturation burns them :)), or something like that... because simply with a change so small the picture looks a whole bit different.



One thing caught my eye, (if you still don't mind my butting in so much) and that is that the pillow looks very good on where the head touches it.. and the pillow looks again very good on where it ends... but the proportion of it to the head.. the general shape of it just doesn't work together... No matter how well you worked on creasing/aging it's surface.
Would you mind if I suggest that you literally make a halo around the guys head with the selection tool... so as to split the pillow from it's outer parts and the parts of it that touch his head... and then simply separate them after feathering some good amount?

The goal here is to have the outer parts of the pillow on a separate layer for you to be able to transform/skew your pillow into a more fitting shape.. and then blending the two into each other again. Shall you noticed... there IS a something wrong with the pillow in it's shape... not its colouring.



My other "out of my place" advice would be for you to go to bed some time tonight.. as you would usually... and then to watch out to what you REALLY do as you get up. For you to try and pay attention to what you are exactly doing. And examine yourself. Try to be very honest in your examining and figuring why you do such actions.
As you pay attention this data will be already recorded on your minds 'PhotoShop Layers' And they will aid you as you work on him.

We talked over your work the other day with my wife... I had told her of how great but difficult subject you had chosen.
Now we are both curious on how you are going to over come the task :)
(Now how's THAT for pressure?:wip: )



I hope you won't loose your motivation over working on this... It is a good idea and has a lot of potential.. now just let it all out and send it over for us to feel it all the exact same way as you do!


Good luck!


Black

[EdP-Art]

Good to see you've come back from the dead :scream:

I like the colouring now, it is a night time colour.

Looking forward to see more detail.

*Ed

[individium]

wow again for black!
its very nice to see you with your comments again

haha everybody thought it was a morning scene! no sun burns that will be for the journey ends contest:P
the negative side of building sketches in mind is:it makes you sometimes act like people have seen those sketches :D you tell something and show your progress but nobody sees what you think everybody sees. hopefully you caught most of them.

yes i love vampire myths and im adding some new kind of vampires and myths these days (i have ideas for about five different kind of stories but i never can get to start writing a complete one)
and till i get to final coloring (im sorry but) we'll see the saturated version several times more i guess.

yes about the pillow its same thing about in my mind stuff it was done in my head and it looked right until several people pointed out '-THE PİLLOW! LOOK AT THE PİLLOW!!!' and i act like ' huh? pillow? whats up with the pillow? the pillow? aahaaa the pillooowww!! '

i know its becouse i dont have a 2nd head or cant find anyone for modeling right that time but i put my hands like a heads back to my pillow and looked at it from everypoint i can at that position and experienced this several times. the real problem is im doin the whole stuff with a mouse, and i didnt care about the shape of the pillow in the first place. but theres more than you see here done with the pillow i just coludnt hold myself from working a bit more on the sides of the pillow a bit more but didnt upload it becouse i wanted people to see this nightscene first.

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Would you mind if I suggest that you literally make a halo around the guys head with the selection tool... so as to split the pillow from it's outer parts and the parts of it that touch his head... and then simply separate them after feathering some good amount?

im not sure if i understand how to do that, do you mean after finishing the pillows texture?
and size is ok isnt it? becouse my pillow is not any bigger than that.

and another suprise will come: final frame will be much more close up to face (i think i didnt mention this before) , im doing the other parts to make things go right about the lightning, the anatomy and else.

and about the examining stuff i did it too much on expresion that it made me forgot the body language a bit and i must admit that for a long time the position on the sketch of this picture looked right for me it still is working i guess but too emotionless maybe.
i just thought of changing the position of his left arm.

the worst thing about working with dodge and burn is that you work on one layer with something and if it needs a big change that means a remaking process(that frightens me)


Quote:
We talked over your work the other day with my wife... I had told her of how great but difficult subject you had chosen.
Now we are both curious on how you are going to over come the task :)
(Now how's THAT for pressure?:wip: )


thats the most flattering thing i heard about my work till nowand yes definetely a high pressure. :)

thanx very much to you and your wife and hi to your new coming family member:)

i wonder are you continiouing with your journey begins concept if you are it would be nice to follow a link to find it i have seen your concept it was about the baby but i dont remember much and i didnt have much time back then to examine it.

see you later :)

[individium]

thank you ed its good to see you too.
its nice to see that you liked it.

im writing an extra post to you becouse your post was not there when i started writing the one before this.

soon new update will come but im busy until saturday night i hope to make some new stuff that time

[individium]

by the way anyone want to give names to my vampire and his sire (i need one male one female name) can post here i'll use those names in the story that will be written under final image.

names can be your own names.

if too many names come i'll be chosing among them if no name comes again i'll be choosing :)

[BlackDidThis]

What I was reffering to was to not loose all the details for the creases that you have so far achieved.
If you dim your eyes and take a look at your image; I am sure that you shall notice the "hard-sack" feel of it's contours.

Fortunately Photo manipulating softwares all have features enabling you to distort shapes to better fit your needs.
The only downfall would be for you to loose the nice way you have rested the head onto the pillow. That was why I offered you to separate the creases connecting to the head.. and to alter the contours... then to put them together again.

But if you plan on getting a close up... I doubt it would be of great harm.


I think a fisheye/macro zoom might really add to this image. But it will force you to have to work extra hard on your expressions and details you know :eek:


For the burn/dodge technique;
That's strange... when I had started my first 'Digital' 2D works.. I had always worked with the dodge tool and burn tool as well! :)

I sometimes use a specific technique when I need to dodge or burn.. and want the effect to be on a separate layer. I don't know if you know of it, or if you would make use of it.

I first get the smudgeTool
Then I play with it's settings and select "Sample all layers"
I create a layer directly on top of that layer
Slightly smudge over the area I am going to work around
This will automatically transfer that particular brush stroke to the above layer for me to work on.
I know you could do the exact same with the stampTool... But for particularily dodging or burning... I like using the smudge transferring. Since I need a better "flow" to it (Yes I also use a mouse... and that's the best work around I have found)


As for my thread;
Well my fault really... I don't really keep a link to it on my signature.
You can follow it from HERE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351638&page=1&pp=50)

And yes I am VERY excited about our little gift of God... words just can't explain.. hence the reason I am trying to draw it! :wise:


Black

[akahraman]

Berkay, I really wanted to say a few things about your pursuit but i guess i have nothing to say while there are masters as "BlackDidThis" and he says everything that you need... I know you are just learning photoshop and captived to a mouse:rolleyes:...

Only i can say, work it hard and finish until the deadline arrives... I am sure you'll do. You're going well...:bounce:

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[individium]

thanks for your great comments again black
hmm yes i know about the hard sack edges of pillow its there even if you dont dim your eyes:) i was thinkin about fixing it with smudge and liqufy. but your offer is also very reasonable.

hmmm i thought of getting a macro-like wiev, blur on the back parts and detailed close parts but about the fisheye even though its a good idea too i didnt thought of it and i dont think it will fit the scene i want.

eheh yep, you caught me, these are my first digital paintings, i was usually playing with photos and making some coloring but never made any picture on photoshop from the start till last 3 months just one finished painting i have and this one is going to be the 2nd one. the interesting thing is i was not using dodge and burn since 1-2 months ago my friend showed me some tips about photoshop he is a great person this is where i can repeat my thanks to him; if you want to see his artwork (these ones are not updated for several years) look HERE (http://www.3dluvr.com/merdzan/)(his name is haluk demirel by the way)

and thanks for your tips too, im learning lots of new things in cg and thats most rewarding even though if i cant win a prize i already won lots of things. watching these pages makes me happy and exited:)


and alperen thank you for your comments again

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there are masters as "BlackDidThis" and he says everything that you need.

no doubt about this for sure:)

yes learning photoshop never ends for anyone, we're just rookies compared to lots of people around here but we're also as good as most of them. im here to improve myself anyway and im doing it:) hope we all can finish and upload our final images before the deadline. and im glad you think that im going well

enough talk for me now i better start working :)

[Ramitxon]

Hey individium I'm pretty sure you'll end up being a master of photoshop. I must thank you for your kind words at my thread. For what I have seen you have enough skills by now to finish your image, you must finish it, I like the lighting and colours and I must say that your characer disturbs me a lot, it has a stare difficult to bear. I'm eager to see it finished. :thumbsup:

[EdP-Art]

Hi Individium, thanks for dropping by my thread with all your very constructuve advice. I usually click your thread after reading your advice but there hasn't been an update for a while.

This is a great story we'd love to see it finished.

You could name your characters Drac and Ula. :scream:

Looking forward to your next update... and more advice.

*Ed

[individium]

thank you very much for your kindness too ramon. im trying my best here. he was a good person before that but i cant guarantee anything now :P :D

thanks man i still got some work and tomorrow an exam about visual basic i hoped to update something yesterday but i was really tired and just could sleep. i just hope to finish my work and make some work on this picture today if i can i'll be uploading othervise tomorrow i hope :shrug:

haha and thanks for names too if i use names as drac & ula i'll kill every gothic feeling inches but i like the 'ula' it can be a refer/dedication (i couldnt find the right word sorry) to dracula that way and wont look funny

[individium]

very little time left and i still cannot update anything here.

i work on the picture but very little progress going on, thats why i dont update anything yet, on the other hand i have too much work to do.

at the same time i won a 2nd prize in a design contest made by adidas here in istanbul:bounce:
it was about designing something(a pattern or whatever) on a modal of adidas maybe i'll post it here someday but now i have to work.

[Stahlberg]

Cool idea, execution looking promising so far!
But I suggest cropping the right hand side, up to the pillow, loosing the red on that side, since now the image seems too centered which makes for a less dynamic compositon. Also, I think the focus should be more on the right eye - skin perhaps a tone or two darker, eye brighter? imagine a subtle spotlight picking the eye out, as they often do in the movies...

[BlackDidThis]

Originally Posted byAlperen (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=220606);
Berkay, I really wanted to say a few things about your pursuit but i guess i have nothing to say while there are masters as "BlackDidThis" and he says everything that you need... MASTER?!
Ehhhhrr ... thank you, flattered. But I am far from an ability to fulfil such expectations.
But, really don't think so!

Congratulations on the competition!
Well nothing like a little motivation for you to hassle on finishing this guy up too... right?

As for names... Hmmm I don't know if it would help, or be of influence;
But because of my solar allergy, my Finnish associate calls me "Musta Lepakko".
It means "Black Bat" :)


So ENOUGH waiting... where is the update?



Black

[individium]

stahlberg! im really honoured to see you in my posts and thank you for your very helpful comments,
im not sure about the skin though its skin of a dead guy so pale as can be but i'll try if you say so, i'll be cutting the image from 4-sides since i was not sure of final framing i'll keep suggestion in my and subtle spotlight idea is genius, i was only thinking of a light coming from a window to his left and only night light, i'll try to use the light as if its a reflection from somewhere. thanx again.

hi black! its very nice to see you again on my posts,
i had solar allergy too when i was a kid, it passed somehow but i still cant bear too much direct sunshine it sucks my all energy, i hope your is not a serious one,
and thanks for motivation. :)
i picked ula for the female name related with dracula now if i use something related with darkness or bats or sth like that story will look unserious but thanks anyway.

and for the update.
i hope to update anytime soon.
just cant find enough time to make something worth updating.
by the way i must update the line art i've forgotten:sad:

[Arc80]

Okay, my apologies for not being here for awhile. Beside missing a lot, i'm curious if thats the full composition or is there more too it?
If this is the full image then its a very interesting approach. I will have to wait and see more update i guess.

cheers man

[individium]

no problem archie:) that's a little more than the full comp. i'll frame it later. all written on early posts. you can read it if not get bored.
fortunately(for the reader) i have only 2 pages(50 message per pages)

thanks for stepping by,
cheers

[Samanthie]

Hi Berkay! Hope to see an update soon!:)

[individium]

thanks debbie nice to see you again.

i was hoping to update something everyday but i couldnt even started to work again.:sad:
i really want to finish this work on time but just dont have any time:banghead:.

i hate to say this but i may not be finishing this chellenge however even that happens i'll finish the picture i hope but for sure i'll try my best to upload a final image. i dont give up usually.

[BlackDidThis]

Take baby steps... Forget the challange.

Do a little right now.. just one stroke... then tomorrow do another stroke.

Then the next day 2758 strokes.. that will prepare you for the millions of storkes to come.... and before you know it! You are finished before the deadline!

:rolleyes:
I presume you have too much on your head and not particularily enough time to be able to both sort them out and how to procede.
It is good to at least know that you shall end up completeing the image. My hopes are still for you to just stick to it a little bit more and not watch the submition date pass by with as much pain.

You never know!


Black

[Samanthie]

Well I'm glad you will finish it and if not for the challenge then for yourself. Just have fun doing it.:)

[individium]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148324729_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148324729_large.jpg)

i realised that i forgot to make a line art (and lots of time passed over it) so before i forgot again heres a line art done in a minute i know it is worse than the sketch, i did a beatiful line art with filters of photoshop but thats not really what is wanted so i made a quick one with my hands, so dont take this one seriously i only did it becouse i have to

[individium]

debbie and black thank you both for your support i'm trying to finish the picture i'll upload something again tonight i hope

[individium]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148343644_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148343644_large.jpg)

i worked on pillow for hours and i think its ok now so what do you people think?

and yeah i only worked on pillow yet.

[akahraman]

i can only suggest you at this moment to complete all the area of composition than start for detailing. Some fast freehand works you need maybe. Details will call itself later and you will make all your process by more confident. So as a point, i want to see those teeth, hairs,bed, enivronment... but not completed:D ...
And for the pillow, its to much illustrated and has too much plaits on which is changing material of the pillow. Those lines are looking much more thick and stiff feathers that filling the pillow. Just put something heavy and head-sized on your pillow and watch it:)

Your girlfriend told me that you're working for CG Challange at home...It must worth to leave her alone:)

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[individium]

hi pal, i understand what you mean but i cant hold myself from making details and they are needed too, and the way i work is layer by layer(not meaning photoshop layers), thats why i cant pass one thing, so now its time for teeth, i hope to finish this picture in time but to talk realistic it seems like it wont, anyway im still not giving up maybe i'll find a way.

but tonight againg i have another work and tomorrow too, thursday-anathema concert 'i cant miss it' (i have tickets already) friday i'll try my best again:)

and about the pillow, the first thing i did is what you told there
(quote:Just put something heavy and head-sized on your pillow and watch it)

and keep in mind that he didn't just sleep on it, so to give the feeling there (will be on the sheets too) i pulled and pushed and squeezed my pillow and than put my hands like a head and try to make them as heavy as a head, and this was near to what i saw.

only theres a problem with lightning yet, but no problem.

quote:
Your girlfriend told me that you're working for CG Challange at home...It must worth to leave her alone.

hahahahaha!:)
you saw her at the school? im working, she's having fun:) who's left alone :P


by the way thanks for the advice

[individium]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148401669_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148401669_large.jpg)

ok here i go with teeth at last lips took so long but teeth will not last long:) than to nails and hair and more work on expression maybe i'll leave him bald, hair will take long time.

[jeromoo]

Hi there Berkay, emptyparenthesis has a very good point about the rough-blocking-first-and -detailing-later method. It makes things go faster because it eliminates the time you take to figure out what to put where during your detailing process.

You gotta hurry up, man. Only 3 more days!

[individium]

hi jerome, it's always nice to see you around, your comments are always helpful.
yeah i know he's right, i don't think i can finish in time but i'm still trying.

worst part of freelance work is : work always comes in critic or hard times, i've been working all night and didn't sleep until 9:00am and at 12:00 i woke up now i'm going to deliver what i've done :( no time for the vampire :(

[individium]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148730288_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148730288_large.jpg)

ok still not giving up!

let's speak about the teeth

[individium]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148765641_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11197/11197_1148765641_large.jpg)

nothing to say just working...

[individium]

sorry, i've just realized that i've forgotten a layer up there it should be 7 layers, but no time to show it now, big picture on the right has all 7 layers open

[akahraman]

ok.punk vampire..or, medusa punk vampire..hey this is a multi-character you've created..uh..iGuess this is not a good time for joking while you're working under too much stress,sorry..
if those are alternatives, i will not choose any of them..no idea..because this'll be better for you to make your own decision..no time...BUT,less hair is better to me. The image is becoming hair only otherwise...also, this advice will be usefull about the time...thats,seeYa...at the DEAD!line...:twisted: ha ha haaa!!

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[Slav]

good luck on future events man! good idea. too bad we didnt get to see the finish product :(

[EdP-Art]

Hi Individium, I sorry you didn't get it finished, I was looking forward to seeing the story. Are you going to finish it anyway. I'd love to see the final piece.

Thanks for all the help on my thread during the challenge.

*Ed

[individium]

ok now coming back to my thread at last, i missed the deadline for a funny reason that remind me of the book "around the world in 80 days" of Jules Verne: in the end he thinks that he's late but after he realizes still theres one day to go, and makes it in the end.

unfortunately i thought that friday was the last day:) and when icame to home i thought there are 6-5 hours to go maybe, and i knew its impossible for me to finish in that time period, i enjoyed my free time and look at peoples threads. after that much hours passed i thought it ended and started to look again for finished works but i saw some new coming coloring wip, after that i asked my friend alperen (http://emptyparenthesis.cgsociety.org/gallery/) about the fin. time and he reminded me to look at the submit entry for best result. and yeah a shock for me still nearly one day to go. i started working, but then it was too late, when i uploaded my lasy wip 30min. to go but i made his scar on his neck his eyebrows and eyelashes and even managed to get to the hand but i looked again to submit entry, time was passed maybe half an hour, my work needed maybe 2 more hours more but there was nothing to do. so i continued to work on it a little more and slower:) and thandid what submit entry page told me to: enjoy the finished entries.

of course im going to finish that work and put to my portfolio, but im happy to have more time to work on it now becouse in two more hours i can finish it but it'll be an avarage work now i can try harder and spend time on skin and some details.

and when i find time i'll try to finish other concepts i entered for this challenge.

the only acrid feeling i felt is when i see the challenge ended i felt like my own journey or a vacation ended, it felt like returning to hard work after a great holiday.

but other than this i made new friends i guess and being in such a great society and knowing most of you people is such a great reward that i cant want more.

and i took my lesson for being more careful about dates.

alperen thank you for your support and harsh critisicm(that is really useful) i know my image is not much an open source:P(i mean not showing how it develops)image but i think you'll like it in the end:)

and about the hair thats about a tv program he's going to make called "best looking dead"
big picture is his usual hair and on the left you see which ones to choose for his new image/style you write the nuber of the style you liked and send to style@bestlookingdeadshow.com or sms to 333-vampire :P :D
and about the deadline it seems that dead cant pass that line:P:)

yaroslav thank you very much man! i'm glad you liked my idea. don't worry i'll finish it just cant tell when.

Ed thanks man, no need to be sorry for the reasons i explained above,
and if my comments made any use to you thats a pleasure for me.

*note: name colors are chosen random no offence:)


and thanx to all of you
José da Silva
Giovanni Castro
Archie P. Valdez
John Barry Ballaran
Maria Busco
Panu Uomala
Levent Gocer
Simon Bull
Mona Eriksson
Ramy Badie
Ralph Manning
Debbie Overstreet
Scott Elrond LeBlanc
Ed Parkinson
Jerome Moo Wen Han
Patricia De Cerqueira Leite Scherer
Eric Machmer
Berter Akyol (The Black)
Britta Schulte
Alperen Kahraman
Carlos Bernardo Junior
Michael Dashow
Ramón Acedo
Steven Stahlberg
Yaroslav Kravchenko
for your kind and helpful entries, criticism and motivating words.

wouldn't it be fun if the next challenge will be "the journey ends":D

[akahraman]

i couldnt miss your advice about next challenge; "the journey ends"... This would bu great!...cool idea. ByTheWay,this is an almost hard subject also... it's open for too much philosophical situations and ideas...For "the journey begins", people did quite assorted jobs... I canNot imagine what would "the end" is... IF i estimate yours by this angle, you did something indirect non-matching to the challenge concept too. You had a different view... THis is an appearing also. No need to finish the job. You were appearing by your comments severely at other posts too. There is diversity where the people is... This is usually a good thing.

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