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RobertoOrtiz
03-18-2006, 03:13 PM
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"Launch timing for the HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc optical disc formats became clearer on Friday with the disclosure by two companies of their initial sales plans.

The two formats are vying to replace current DVDs for high-definition content, such as movies, and have pitted industry giants against each other. The main backers of HD-DVD include Toshiba, NEC, and Intel, while those backing Blu-ray Disc include Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung Electronics.



Sony said its first Blu-ray Disc player, the BDP-S1, will be available in the U.S. from July at about $1000. The company had previously committed to an "early summer" launch. Samsung plans to put a Blu-ray Disc player (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/pcworld/tc_pcworld/storytext/125126/18424024/SIG=11pihcjt7/*http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124890,00.asp) on sale in April.



The Sony player will support a video output at 1080 lines of resolution (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/pcworld/tc_pcworld/storytext/125126/18424024/SIG=11qn7kuhk/*http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,124757,00.asp) and progressive scanning, the company said in a statement. This is dubbed "full HD" and is the highest of several video formats considered high-definition. As a concession to content providers, the full HD output will only be available via an HDMI (high-definition multimedia interface) connector that supports copy protection. Owners of TV sets without an HDMI connector will be able to watch up to a 1080-line interlaced signal, which is the second highest rank of high-definition picture.



Sony has priced its first desktop computer (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/pcworld/tc_pcworld/storytext/125126/18424024/SIG=11p4ns5j8/*http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,125023,00.asp) that will have a Blu-ray Disc burner. The drive will be able to write to 25GB and 50GB BD-RE (rewritable) and BD-R (write once) discs. Sony will start selling 25GB BD-RE and BD-R discs in April for $20 and $25 respectively and 50GB capacity versions of the same discs later in the year for $48 and $60 respectively."

>>LINK<< (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060317/tc_pcworld/125126)

-R

slaughters
03-18-2006, 04:28 PM
So the Blue-Ray player will be about twice the price of the Toshiba $500 to $800 HD-DVD player? Sony's blank Blue-Ray disks are going to be about the same price as HD-DVD disks which already have movies on them?

Unless Sony really puts a ton of money behind this project, with the expectation of loosing money for the next 3 to 4 years, they will not win this war for the high capacity DVD market.

P.S.

Anyone else think it is weird that Sony mentions the use of HDMI connectors for copy protection in their stand alone players then wtihin a few sentences mention placing players and burners in one of their top of the line computers?

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Shaderhacker
03-18-2006, 04:40 PM
I want Sony to win this. Blu-Ray stores way more, looks cool, and is going to be in the PS3. Plus, Microsoft is behind HD-DVD - and well - I don't like that.;)


-M

SheepFactory
03-18-2006, 06:07 PM
for $60 I can get a 120gb external HDD.

danimat0r
03-18-2006, 06:11 PM
PS3's not launching until the end of the year.. Blu Ray is launching at double the price.. (guess which format will hit the mass-consumer price point first?)

My money is tentatively on HDDVD, but it's still anyone's race.

DevilHacker
03-18-2006, 07:00 PM
I want Sony to win this. Blu-Ray stores way more, looks cool, and is going to be in the PS3. Plus, Microsoft is behind HD-DVD - and well - I don't like that.;)


-M
You impudence is amazing, and (as with others) quite amazing to behold.
I can understand wanting to side with Blu-Ray because of its higher capacity, but the rest of your reasons are deeply flawed…

Also, Microsoft is not backing one format over the other, and has decided to sit back and see which one wins before taking sides. So thinking that is not only wrong, but to add to insult; you say that just because Microsoft is supporting HD-DVD (which as previously stated are not) that you do not like the format, not only makes you look childish, but ignorant.

-There is my two cents.
Daren Loney

heavyness
03-18-2006, 07:14 PM
uhhh..

i'm backing the one that wins. i'm sitting back for this one. i so don't want two next gen players in my house. i don't want to buy a Blu Ray movie just to find out a month later the HD DVD has more behind the scene footage.... like they do now with collectors/director's cuts of movies. JUST RELEASE THE MOVIE ONCE WITH EVERYTHING ON IT, DAMMIT!


i have a 1080 56" tv and i can't wait to watch movies on it at full res... but i'm not buying both...

LoTekK
03-18-2006, 07:17 PM
I want BluRay to win. Because it's got a cooler name. And aych-dee-dee-vee-dee is way too much of a bloody mouthful for my tastes.

:p

(in case it's not clear, I'm being quite facetious. I could care less who wins at this point)

danimat0r
03-18-2006, 07:46 PM
uhhh..

i'm backing the one that wins. i'm sitting back for this one. i so don't want two next gen players in my house. i don't want to buy a Blu Ray movie just to find out a month later the HD DVD has more behind the scene footage.... like they do now with collectors/director's cuts of movies. JUST RELEASE THE MOVIE ONCE WITH EVERYTHING ON IT, DAMMIT!


i have a 1080 56" tv and i can't wait to watch movies on it at full res... but i'm not buying both...


Dual-format players are being made, if that's any consolation. ;)

Wickster
03-18-2006, 09:03 PM
Dual-format players are being made, if that's any consolation. ;)

Yeah, I'm backing the company that developes a player, and read write rom that reads and writes both blu-ray and hd-dvd. Samsung maybe. So lets see those CD|DVD|BD|HDDVD|ROM,-/+R,RW,RAM,DL,RE drives.

mister3d
03-18-2006, 09:09 PM
Why Blu-ray is more expensive?what will be cheaper in the end?

opus13
03-18-2006, 09:17 PM
its official*:

both formats lose. the prices are too high and the industry is too split. after all of the marketing and strategizing, consumers have no way to win in the end. DRM is too tight to be useful, and completely intrusive in the 'consumer experience'.

scrap both and start again. there are better technologies out there than both of these.






*or maybe not.

poly-phobic
03-18-2006, 09:19 PM
I want Sony to win this. Blu-Ray stores way more, looks cool, and is going to be in the PS3. Plus, Microsoft is behind HD-DVD - and well - I don't like that.;)


-M

god.... :rolleyes:

AmbiDextrose
03-18-2006, 09:23 PM
i have a 1080 56" tv and i can't wait to watch movies on it at full resz...

Which unit is that (I'm REALLY interested in owner feedback)?

Back on topic, I agree with the logical choice- sit back and wait until the smoke clears.

Critterslayer
03-18-2006, 09:24 PM
my vote goes to blu-ray -> higher capacity, cooler name, and my favorite color.

EpShot
03-18-2006, 10:23 PM
i'm cool with blu-ray, so long as it becomes a LOT cheaper.

tozz
03-18-2006, 10:34 PM
DVD wasn't cheap when it was introduced. Don't understand why people expect blu-ray/hd-dvd to be it. CD-R was alot more expensive than those prices for storable blu-ray's.

Beamtracer
03-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Both formats are a joke.

They'll launch with literally a handful of titles each. Who wants a $1000 player with a total of 5 or maybe 7 movie titles?

rock
03-18-2006, 11:48 PM
For us, co-existence is key. It will drive the price down and innovation up. The world has shown us that nature is not monolistic, but multipluralistic. AMD and Intel, Windows and Linux, Israelis and Palestinians.

EpShot
03-18-2006, 11:53 PM
DVD wasn't cheap when it was introduced. Don't understand why people expect blu-ray/hd-dvd to be it. CD-R was alot more expensive than those prices for storable blu-ray's.

except hd-dvd players are half the price. and play the movie at the same resolution. As far as media storage, i can get external drives at the same storage capacity for much less. so that leaves a very small market for Blu-Ray which really isn't enough to justify the costs.

So if blu-ray doesn't close the price gap, i really don't see a need. 30gigs seems fine for a 'disk' format to me.

Bael
03-19-2006, 12:39 AM
Its Beta/VHS all over again. I don't think Sony is ever going to learn its lesson. :/

My money is on HD-DVD - cheaper, quicker to market, same quality movies, less restrictions. Yea, it'll hold less data-wise - but who cares when you can buy a second disc for the same amount?

Oh, and while 'Blu-Ray' might sound cool, 'HD-DVD' is more recognizable to non-electronics geeks.. which could help tremendously with how quickly it becomes accepted.

richcz3
03-19-2006, 12:41 AM
The 2nd advantage of HD-DVD would have been capacity for storage. In the "backup" scheme of things, compact Flash and external HDD drives are many more times cost effective. By the time RW HD DVD drives are available their cost, speed, and capacity will almost be irrelevent.

heavyness
03-19-2006, 02:29 AM
Which unit is that (I'm REALLY interested in owner feedback)?

http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?productId=PRD4208502&pathId=125

bought it after reading about it on this forum http://www.avsforum.com/

its LCOS (http://www.projectorcentral.com/lcos.htm) [Liquid Crystal on Silicon], so no twirling colored disc in the back and i love the picture i get with it. blacks are dark, and the brights light up my family room. playing 4 player split screen on the 360 is actually nice and just seeing the graphics on the tv are jaw dropping...

i'm still waiting for something do push it to the limit, the Super Bowl looked really nice on it, and watching HD shows on NBC is awesome.

private
03-19-2006, 03:16 AM
I can't believe people list a reason for liking one format over the other because it has a cool name.

tozz
03-19-2006, 10:41 AM
Its Beta/VHS all over again. I don't think Sony is ever going to learn its lesson. :/

My money is on HD-DVD - cheaper, quicker to market, same quality movies, less restrictions. Yea, it'll hold less data-wise - but who cares when you can buy a second disc for the same amount?

Oh, and while 'Blu-Ray' might sound cool, 'HD-DVD' is more recognizable to non-electronics geeks.. which could help tremendously with how quickly it becomes accepted.
You do know that Sony is skipping the HDCP (or what the stuff is called that gimps the signal) crap, and allows for full 1080 on the analgue outputs? So much for "less restrictions".

As for learning from beta/vhs, I think Sony did learn their lesson very well, if in doubts check SACD vs DVD-Audio and you'll see (Naming didn't help one bit).

nvvm
03-19-2006, 11:18 AM
my vote goes to blu-ray -> higher capacityOutside of storage what good is this other then driving up prices ??

, cooler name and my favorite color. :rolleyes:

Beamtracer
03-19-2006, 12:10 PM
People are going to stay with regular DVD.

The HD-DVD and Blu-Ray backers have blown it.

RobertoOrtiz
03-19-2006, 04:45 PM
Thew sad thing is that more and more people are moving away from optical distribution anyway.


Not only is flash memory is nipping at their heels (and if you think about it, fash memory is WAY more flexible and versatile, even if the capacity is not there yet) , but also people are movie more and more to online distribution of files. (As the succes of I-Tunes and I-Movies has demonstrated very well)


-R

heavyness
03-19-2006, 05:10 PM
another thing to factor in is that people aren't going to buy their old movies again on a new format. millions of people began throwing away their VHS tapes and re-buying all those movies on DVD [why not, cheap and they looked so much better then VHS].

now i'm betting all the studios think they're going to do it again.... and i don't think thats the case. with a good upscaling dvd player [or a good upscaling dbd/hd-dvd/blu ray player], most people can live with the lower resolution. and besides, the general public just got into buying DVDs 6 years ago, and the general public doesn't even know about these new formats yet.

but like i said before, i'll be over there, sitting on the fence waiting this one out.

Dirtystimpy
03-19-2006, 08:09 PM
but also people are moving more and more to online distribution of files. (As the succes of I-Tunes and I-Movies has demonstrated very well)


-R


thats my bet on who wins...by the time people get fed up w/ this blueray/hdd thingy, we will hopefully be downloading our movies....
(just waiting for an upgraded tivo where I just download my movies, and keep them on my Hard drive!)

tozz
03-19-2006, 08:51 PM
I just don't see 1920*1080 HD content being downloadable in the same quality as on a medium. Still, most people doesn't care about quality so maybe the ones who do will have to accept higher prices for premium quality.

RobertoOrtiz
03-19-2006, 09:01 PM
Ok lets see where most content is watched...

Movie screens
TV sets
PC
Now we have new forms of distribution

PSP
Video I-Pod
Cell Phones
Microsoft's Origami
The market trends is moving more and more towards mobile distribution.
Hi def is only usefull for PC, & TV distribution.

The irony is that in most forms of mobile distribution dvd quality is more that enough.


My advice is that if you like a movie, buy that sucker in standard DVD asp. They will become as valuable as gold. They will be like classic cd's in the I-Pod era.

ringzero
03-19-2006, 09:27 PM
You impudence is amazing, and (as with others) quite amazing to behold.
I can understand wanting to side with Blu-Ray because of its higher capacity, but the rest of your reasons are deeply flawed…

Also, Microsoft is not backing one format over the other, and has decided to sit back and see which one wins before taking sides. So thinking that is not only wrong, but to add to insult; you say that just because Microsoft is supporting HD-DVD (which as previously stated are not) that you do not like the format, not only makes you look childish, but ignorant.

-There is my two cents.
Daren Loney

Welcome to the internet.

RobertoOrtiz
03-19-2006, 09:41 PM
people dont make it personal


-R

rakmaya
03-19-2006, 10:24 PM
who cares... I will buy whichever wins and will have the PS3 anyway. In the end, the world will still go around without either of those.

DaJuice
03-20-2006, 02:14 AM
I don't think downloadable content is the way, so I think blu-ray and hd-dvd are still viable. Look at how big the 1080p trailers on Apple are. How many full length movies could you put on your hard-drive before you start using up too much space and have to start deleting porn?

As for who is going to win, my undeucated guess would be blu-ray. First to market and cheaper will not be a significant advantage for HD-DVD. People are not going to run out and buy these expensive players (either br or hddvd) when there is virtually no content yet. Once PS3 rolls around I think blu-ray will have it in the bag...

PhilOsirus
03-20-2006, 03:52 AM
There is NO WAY that downloadable content will take over the current distribution format. In 5 years maybe, but until then we need either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, and I side with the later for the only reason that it offers more capacity, which is what it should be all about.

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