MaDSheeP
12-18-2002, 02:26 PM
http://www.3dfestival.com/story.php?story_id=499
View Full Version : Discreet Buys 5D Cyborg and Commander Technologies
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Pyro2301
12-18-2002, 05:31 PM
Here is an interview about the purchase:
http://www.fxguide.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=91
Oh well....no more Cyborg :shrug:
-Victor
http://www.fxguide.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=91
Oh well....no more Cyborg :shrug:
-Victor
beaker
12-18-2002, 06:29 PM
Yea, this sucks, looks like Discreet bought it so they could put it in it's grave for good. Looks like they didn't want anyone else buying it in order to compete with them. So they buy it and sit on it.
MaDSheeP
12-18-2002, 07:23 PM
do you guys think that a purchase like this could possibly cause innovation in Discreet's own software?
it sounds like they did do it to take out 5d... but... what about the 5d specific features and discreet can now add to their software?
:shrug:
it sounds like they did do it to take out 5d... but... what about the 5d specific features and discreet can now add to their software?
:shrug:
erilaz
12-18-2002, 11:21 PM
Why is it that whenever a company buys another company people immediately treat them like the bad guy?
This may be benificial to the industry later on. If 5d was going under regardless, then the technology had to go somewhere.
"Even the wisest cannot see all ends.":D
This may be benificial to the industry later on. If 5d was going under regardless, then the technology had to go somewhere.
"Even the wisest cannot see all ends.":D
arvid
12-19-2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by MaDSheeP
do you guys think that a purchase like this could possibly cause innovation in Discreet's own software?
will almost certainly do
it sounds like they did do it to take out 5d... but... what about the 5d specific features and discreet can now add to their software?
:shrug:
5D was already gone, discreet was just there first to pick their bones
Personally, I'm really happy it was discreet instead of apple anyways..
do you guys think that a purchase like this could possibly cause innovation in Discreet's own software?
will almost certainly do
it sounds like they did do it to take out 5d... but... what about the 5d specific features and discreet can now add to their software?
:shrug:
5D was already gone, discreet was just there first to pick their bones
Personally, I'm really happy it was discreet instead of apple anyways..
MaDSheeP
12-19-2002, 12:15 PM
very good point opacity...
i'd rather combustion or flame or what ever have those features, rather than Shake... :)
i'd rather combustion or flame or what ever have those features, rather than Shake... :)
FiveMan
12-19-2002, 12:54 PM
more likely than not discreet will still continue cyborg and commander just like they do with 3dsmax and media cleaner
:wip:
:wip:
arvid
12-19-2002, 12:57 PM
3dsmax and cleaner are a lot easier to maintain, cyborg isnt, and in addition, cyborg is in direct competition with their Flame-Inferno productline
beaker
12-19-2002, 05:18 PM
>>more likely than not discreet will still continue cyborg and commander just like they do with 3dsmax and media cleaner
You guys should read the link Pyro gave and then read the comments down at the bottom. Many programmers from 5d that were laid off have left comments there. It is pretty clear from the interview that Discreet is buying it to sit on it. The guy from discreet clearly says that they are not going to be releasing either products for sale in the future. None of the developers have been contacted by discreet and also other comments mention that Discreet put a smoke screen up for any possible buyers(Avid) that said if they are interested in putting a bid for Cyborg, that they should know that there is a patent infringement lawsuit that they will inherit with it. I am sure that was big enough problem for anyone not wanting to buy it up. This info is all posted by ex-5d people. Discreet is definatly the evil one on this purchase. But, business is business. If you can't compete, then you buy the competitor and burry their products so everyone will go back to buying yours again.
You guys should read the link Pyro gave and then read the comments down at the bottom. Many programmers from 5d that were laid off have left comments there. It is pretty clear from the interview that Discreet is buying it to sit on it. The guy from discreet clearly says that they are not going to be releasing either products for sale in the future. None of the developers have been contacted by discreet and also other comments mention that Discreet put a smoke screen up for any possible buyers(Avid) that said if they are interested in putting a bid for Cyborg, that they should know that there is a patent infringement lawsuit that they will inherit with it. I am sure that was big enough problem for anyone not wanting to buy it up. This info is all posted by ex-5d people. Discreet is definatly the evil one on this purchase. But, business is business. If you can't compete, then you buy the competitor and burry their products so everyone will go back to buying yours again.
arvid
12-19-2002, 05:38 PM
crap :thumbsdow :annoyed:
red_oddity
12-19-2002, 06:25 PM
That would be a rotten shame, because this is definatly one of the best color gradeing tools i've seen to date.
beaker
12-19-2002, 07:15 PM
red_oddity:
Your thinking of Colussus. 5d never owned it, they just sold/marketed it for a company called Colorfront (they are still selling it):
http://www.colorfront.com/
press release about it here:
http://www.colorfront.com/index.php3?n=1&m=18
Cyborg was a nice compositor, and Commander was a digital daily playback system.
Your thinking of Colussus. 5d never owned it, they just sold/marketed it for a company called Colorfront (they are still selling it):
http://www.colorfront.com/
press release about it here:
http://www.colorfront.com/index.php3?n=1&m=18
Cyborg was a nice compositor, and Commander was a digital daily playback system.
BrandonD
12-19-2002, 07:18 PM
Well, I think it makes sense for Discreet to buy the 5D tools that are commonly used in their advanced systems (ie Inferno, Flame, etc). If they didn't, they would be lost.
Now are they buying 5D assets to kill competition? I don't think so. Why? Because Cyborg, Collosus and Commander, while good technology, were not catching on at all. I think there were only a small handful being used anywhere. In fact, I was at one facility that had 2 and they were never really used in production at all. Still, their systems had some great technology, especially in the retiming tools. So I would suspect Discreet will integrate this technology into their tools.
It's not a hostile takeover, but a company going under and the pieces being available to the highest bidder.
Now are they buying 5D assets to kill competition? I don't think so. Why? Because Cyborg, Collosus and Commander, while good technology, were not catching on at all. I think there were only a small handful being used anywhere. In fact, I was at one facility that had 2 and they were never really used in production at all. Still, their systems had some great technology, especially in the retiming tools. So I would suspect Discreet will integrate this technology into their tools.
It's not a hostile takeover, but a company going under and the pieces being available to the highest bidder.
red_oddity
12-23-2002, 10:29 AM
Hey, cool, thanx Beaker...
But, still too bad they had to close down (i read some of the posts some of their ex-employers posted, it wasnt' all too happy.)
But, still too bad they had to close down (i read some of the posts some of their ex-employers posted, it wasnt' all too happy.)
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