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RobertoOrtiz
03-14-2006, 05:14 AM
SEQUENTIAL ART MICRO CHALLENGE #1 : The Fight
Do you know what the following movies had in common?

Ghost world
Road to Perdition
Constantine
A History of Violence
V for Vendetta
Sin City
Ghost in the Shell
Appleseed
Nausicca and the valley of the Wind
League of Extraordinary Gentleman
From Hell
Hellboy
300
They all started out as Graphic novels... (Or as I like to call them Comic Books).
Sequential art is s great story telling medium for artists to explore ideas and add depth to them.

Some of the BEST storytelling right now can be found in the pages of comic books...sorry Graphic Novels.

The reason I want to bring this medium to the forum, is that it is an amazing method for cg artists to improve their storytelling abilities, without having to do a cg short that will take AT LEAST 6 months.


Ok enough talk, lets start the challenge:





fight ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ft)
v. fought, (fôt) fight·ing, fights
v. intr.

To attempt to harm or gain power over an adversary by blows or with weapons.
Sports. To engage in boxing or wrestling.
To engage in a quarrel; argue: They are always fighting about money.
To strive vigorously and resolutely: fought against graft; fighting for her rights.



You have 7 days to draw a sequential art sequence that involves a fight. Any kind of fight.
But before you draw, you need to do a WIP thread with character designs and at least ONE over head thumbnail view of the environment where the fight is happening.

The comic CAN BE part pf a bigger story or it can be a self contained tale.

DATELINE:

MARCH 21, 2006 , you have 7 Days (Keep in mind that most pros do a page a day on average)


We will have an open vote to select the best.
Some of the judging criteria we will use are:

Best Story
Best Artwork
Best Layout
Best Characters
GENERAL RULES

We will post a weekly topic and you will have 7 DAYS to draw your comic.
It can be done in any medium, and 3d comics are welcomed.
You need to post character designs and WIP drawings.
The comic can be from ONE or MORE Pages.
We will have only two CORE threads, THIS ONE to post YOUR FINAL entry , and a topics Suggestion thread.
You will create on the a WIP thread called THE COMIC BOOK: COMIC TITLE on the WIP/Critique: 2D, Illustrations and Concept Art (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=31) forum BUT if you do a 3d comic post it it at (WIP/Critique: 3D Stills (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43) , and for 3D comics pre-made models are ok). Consider this WIP thread your playground, so you can post whatever you want there.
Please post a thread per strip. That way it will be easier for the people to find .
Please post a link to your WIP thread on this MAIN thread. (so people can find them :))
You can post, daily strips comic pages, one page strips as long as you follow the posting requirements of cgtalk
The artwork must be done AFTER the topic has been announced.
Collaborative pieces are accepted and encouraged
Individuals participating in a team CAN have their own individual entries.
All the characters have to be original creations.
When doing a comic book, please only post a page a day.
The artwork can be done in any medium, and if you want to in Black and White
Teams are encouraged.
(My hands are tied on this one) . So no Politics or religion., but ALLEGORIES are ok.
All artwork must have the following words written on them: (c) 2006 YOUR NAME
Keep this in mind.
A monthly comic book has 24 pages. And in order to have enough material for a graphic novel you should need to do 6 issues of a comic.

24 * 6 = 144 pages

This is why most pros do a at least a page a day.

And please if you do comic book, do it in multiple of 2.


My advice, KEEP IT SIMPLE

If you think you can't to a full comic book, do a 3 - 4 panel
newspaper strip. 5 - 10 updates a month are more than enough in my book.
And if you are going to do a comic book, do short stories first , since they usually have
4 to 6 pages. Think Twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt or Amazing Stories for inspiration.
Good luck


NEED TUTORIALS?:

Making a Comic (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=307340&highlight=comic) by Eliseu Gouveia
Character Design Tutorials and Rules (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=317235) by Stjepan Šejić

Outside tutorials:

ONE STEP: COMMON ERRORS (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=61896)
www.scottmcdaniel.net/ (http://www.scottmcdaniel.net/)
-Roberto
PS Wanna see some cool comic book at Cgtalk?
Go here:
THE COMIC PAGES: (The Dreamland Chronicles, Silversparrow) WE ARE BACK! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=322995)

Tad
03-14-2006, 07:31 AM
Yay first reply.

Let me be the first to say this is a wonderful idea.
Odd how these things pop up at such opportune times.

I was just sifting through the old comics I drew back in highschool and miss those days immensely. In my opinion comics are really one of the strongest ways to improve your skills,
not just storytelling, but everything, you are forced to do everything right, and in such a large quantity that you get in some really powerful practice.

Kudos

kmest
03-14-2006, 07:42 AM
pretty good idea,i was waiting for this challeng to begin for sometime........
lets see what WIP's are coming

Bonedaddy
03-14-2006, 07:55 AM
I'm about finished up with Break chapter 2, so I may do this. Be a nice change of pace.

Mu
03-14-2006, 08:10 AM
wow! great idea... and if I got this right it will be a regular event?!


Hmmm... I don't know if I can join in this week. If it continues I am definitely in, because I would probably even on my deathbed still be bragging about the fact that for once in my life I did a comic book...:scream:

Mu
03-14-2006, 08:55 AM
Great link to newsarama.com, btw, Roberto!

I also found this page on panel composition/storytelling very enlightening:

http://www.newsarama.com/general/WordsWordsWords/WWW02.htm


In the first installment of the article series I linked to above I found this passage which is kind of motivating and hilarious at the same time...:D :

Over the years, I have been a part of over half a dozen judging teams assessing the value of scripts and short stories for one or another publication, worthy cause or forum...and folks, I gotta tell you, the majority of what’s out there is just breathtakingly awful. Against that backdrop, anything with even a modicum of talent will shine as though t’were a supernova at its moment of brightest incineration. Believe me, the quickest cure for those who are intimidated by what’s out there...is to actually see what’s out there.

W-I-L
03-14-2006, 09:48 AM
great idea.. might try my hand at this

sergioKomic
03-14-2006, 11:16 AM
Great idea Roberto...:bounce:

Now all I need is a couple a days more in a week and 2,3 hours more per day....:eek:
(some talent would be nice as well...)

Next micro challenge , I ll join....:deal:

michael-olszak
03-14-2006, 11:18 AM
Love the idea, i will do my best to post some work on this (not sure if i'm able to do it but hey)

can't w8t to see the first entries

Teyon
03-14-2006, 01:12 PM
Ditto. I'm dropping out of the current Main challenge but I can try to do this micro one (takes far less time to draw then to model, it truns out).

KahlanAmnell
03-14-2006, 01:32 PM
With the current challenge in place, i have my hands full.
However, I'll give it my best shot

RobertoOrtiz
03-14-2006, 01:35 PM
New Rule!



Please post a link to your WIP thread on this MAIN thread. (so people can find them :) )
(My hands are tied on this one) . So no Politics or religion., but ALLEGORIES are ok
And how much power you get with an Allegory?
Well one of the best plays of the 20th Century, The Crucible, (about the Salem Witch trials) is an great allegory paranoia.


-R

cache
03-14-2006, 02:56 PM
maybe my quick reading lead to saying this:
shouldnt it be "2006" instead of every "2005" in the instructions post ?

here: (c) 2005 YOUR NAME
and here: MARCH 21, 2005 , you have 7 Days (Keep in mind that most pros do a page a day on average)

sorry if i'm not getting this right :)
so delete my post if necessary

RobertoOrtiz
03-14-2006, 03:33 PM
maybe my quick reading lead to saying this:
shouldnt it be "2006" instead of every "2005" in the instructions post ?

here: (c) 2005 YOUR NAME
and here: MARCH 21, 2005 , you have 7 Days (Keep in mind that most pros do a page a day on average)

sorry if i'm not getting this right :)
so delete my post if necessary

God you saw right throught my pack of lies...
:)

Fixed!

-R

LoTekK
03-14-2006, 04:13 PM
Psst, the deadline still reads as March 21st, 2005. Guess I'm gonna need to brush up on my time-travel powahz. :D

PhilWesson
03-14-2006, 04:22 PM
Count me in~

Mu
03-14-2006, 04:23 PM
hey folks - that's just ortiztic freedom...:scream:

sergioKomic
03-14-2006, 04:29 PM
hahahahaha! :scream:

cenobyte
03-14-2006, 04:36 PM
Alright Roberto, I took the jump. I've posted some of my old stuff, so I can start creating new works, with this venue to do it! The thread, with some preliminary headshots, is:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3342894#post3342894

For you aspiring cartoonist, if it hasn't been posted yet, you should check out:
- Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics and Reinventing Comics; Wow! Comic books about comic books!
- The Venerable Will Eisner's Comics & Sequential Art

Also, maybe a little more motivation on getting a graphic novel together. Xeric Foundation provides grants to Comic Book Self-Publishers: http://www.xericfoundation.com/xericapplycomicgrants.html

This is a great program that Peter A. Laird, of TMNT fame, created to "encourage creators to experience the learning process involved [in creating comic books]", by providing grants to actually publish the comic. Last year, the winners won a cumalative of $59K to see their dreams in print (go to the website for details). A 2002 grantee, Derek Kirk Kim, story Same Difference and Other Stories won the trifecta of comics, the Ignatz '03, Eisner '04, and Harvey '04. You can too!

ShigueS
03-14-2006, 11:47 PM
Hello! I´m pretty new in CGTalk and I haven´t applied to any threads yet. So, this comic chalenge is very interesting to apply my work. I´m on. How do I post my progress, I mean, where I upload the images (as this thread isn´t a convencial one)? Sorry for the newbie question.

eliseu gouveia
03-14-2006, 11:51 PM
This is a TERRIFIC idea and I am eagerly looking forward to seeing your every entry.

Lots of talent dwell in these here forums, now let´s see them chanelled into the darksi....er, sequential arts :)

Good luck, everyone, and may the best Storyteller win!

Bonedaddy
03-15-2006, 06:42 AM
I just got a gig today (two, actually), and I have to drive a friend up to San Francisco this weekend, so I sort of doubt I'll be able to see this one to the end. But I did finish up some concept art for my idea (which is sort of an astronaut horror thing, artwise it's Sin City in space), so here you go:

http://break.complexdream.com/misc/astronaut_concept1.jpg

sergioKomic
03-15-2006, 08:27 AM
Nice, boneD....:thumbsup:

lanternkid
03-15-2006, 09:31 AM
mueh, i have notimes T^T shall sti by and watch, though :)

How do I post my progress, I mean, where I upload the images (as this thread isn´t a convencial one)? Sorry for the newbie question.post a new thread in this forum, i think. if you're asking about how to post images, this very useful thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088) (by rebeccak) will tell you how :)

Shinjipierre
03-15-2006, 10:50 AM
I've begun something...

as I say in my post, the first sketch wasn't really made for the contest, that's why I don't have character designs and things like that.

And yeah, it won't be only ONE image :p

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=329225

I also hope I'm posting the things as it should be done.... Just tell me if I did something wrong.

blakbird
03-17-2006, 07:10 PM
Here is my thread for the sequential art: the fight. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3348202#post3348202)

Waiting comments..

Armanguy
03-18-2006, 10:17 AM
wow well imma make a somthing for this challange hopefully the 7 days are enough

AStott
03-19-2006, 02:40 PM
GauntMan and I have started a WIP thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=330632). Hopefully we can finish by the deadline!

cenobyte
03-22-2006, 05:01 AM
Here's my first stab at this challenge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3371177#post3371177). Please give your thoughts. Did I miss this week's topic? I would like to keep this story going.

Peace and squirrel grease:thumbsup:

blakbird
03-25-2006, 05:26 AM
Mr. RobertoOrtiz, is the challenge over? Or the deadline postponed? Still i want to make somethings for it.

RobertoOrtiz
03-26-2006, 03:17 PM
Ok the dateline is on Monday.
-R

Shinjipierre
04-05-2006, 06:37 PM
Ah, looks like nearly nobody did anything.

Too bad, it sounded interesting.

RobertoOrtiz
04-05-2006, 06:40 PM
So lets talk...

What can be done to improve this?
What went wrong?

-R

Mu
04-05-2006, 11:01 PM
I don't know what went wrong, but I just wanted to say that I will join in in one of those challenges if they survive. It just did not fit my schedule. There's so much to learn for me and I need to focus on learning a little bit more before I dive head first into this.


And besides: Roberto, I bought "V for Vendetta", because of your enthusiasm for the comic in the movie review thread and must say that it was a totally amazing read. Was glued to the thing for days, actually!

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