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Sylanya
03-10-2006, 04:30 AM
Hey everyone!

I just thought I would make one of these 'sketch dumps' cause I'm looking to improve my painting. If anyone has any input I'd be glad to hear it!

My current focus: faces and skintones

This first image was purely a study in skintones. I wasn't aiming for great facial features or anything, I was trying practice skintones. However, I think these tones are too orange brown.
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_practice1.jpg


This other one did not come out at all how I wanted it too. I wanted a cute face with rose cheeks and a pretty mouth. This came out of that:
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face-exercise1.jpg


And finally, these last two were submitted to the DSF.
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/632-the_lantern.jpg
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/641-dress_rain_denial.jpg

ThePhotographer
03-10-2006, 08:30 PM
The first one - which is also very simple and not very much rendered - is the one I prefer. It looks really cute. Very nice innocent expression.

In the second one, you have some anatomy trouble. The jawline. The chin should be more advanced. Also the eyebrows are not in their right places. Study some photos - I'm sure you will be able to get it right.

Sylanya
03-13-2006, 01:04 PM
Here's another one. I'm starting to understand what I'm doing wrong: I'm making the far side of the face too broad.
This sketch is unfinished, I didn't do the hair or anything, nor even a neck. I was just trying to paint a face. I think my skintones are getting better though!
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise4.jpg

jmBoekestein
03-13-2006, 03:25 PM
They are, :thumbsup: I'm also looking into tones and colour combo's bu not speific to skin. I'd invite you to have a look, maybe we can learn from eachother. :)

I think the difference between previous volumes and th latest is tremendous, it's perpsective that you didn't account for I think. Great!

:thumbsup:

Sylanya
03-13-2006, 05:34 PM
Ok, I just thought I would share a couple of paintings I did last summer, just on particular things rather than the face as a whole.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/eye.jpg
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face4.jpg
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/lips.jpg
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/hair-experiment.jpg

And finally, a DSF sketch from last year, which had skintones improved after some advice from Linda! (thanks again!)
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/DS-badkarma.jpg

Sylanya
03-14-2006, 02:39 AM
Well, we had a big snow storm today and I was stuck at home. So I painted this for the daily sketch topic "Heat"!

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/644-heat.jpg

Sylanya
03-18-2006, 12:37 PM
Deleted picture-it was ugly

Sylanya
03-25-2006, 03:23 AM
New face. Painted after flipping through "Constructive Anatomy" by Bridgeman. I tried to apply what I read to this painting, don't know if I succeeded. I'm having a hard time getting into the habit of flipping the image horizontally whilst painting. Anyways, hope you like.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise8.jpg

jmBoekestein
03-25-2006, 01:46 PM
Way better! :thumbsup: You learn your lessons very fast. :D

I love how her face is not stereotype but differently beautiful. Very nice! :thumbsup:

su
03-25-2006, 04:10 PM
the last one's forehead seems rather short to me, but the skintone is working. her nose-nostril seems to be needing a little more rendering but overall I can see the improvement.

one more thing, you seem to be avoiding the ears, I would like to see more ears from you.

keep it up :)

Sylanya
03-25-2006, 06:44 PM
one more thing, you seem to be avoiding the ears, I would like to see more ears from you.


Haha, funny thing. I actually painted the ear on that last one, and it came out good, but then for some weird reason I decided to cover it up with hair.

su
03-25-2006, 06:50 PM
come on, comb the hair back :P

Sylanya
03-25-2006, 06:52 PM
come on, comb the hair back :P

Alright, maybe tonight I'll paint a girl with a purty up-do and ears. They might end up being elf ears though, I just am not strong enough to resist the temptation of pointed ears. I'll try though, lol.

Sylanya
03-27-2006, 01:01 AM
New face! This time I used a reference from here ( http://www.pbase.com/yung40/image/40144151 ), and I actually remembered to flip the canvas horizontally whilst painting. And look! Ears! LOL.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise9.jpg

Sylanya
03-27-2006, 02:42 AM
I felt the need to take a break from people for a while. So I did a really quick bg. Used a reference from DeviantART.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/bg1.jpg

werd
03-27-2006, 07:51 AM
I like the latest face, its quite good in my opinion. The lightings is nice and soft:D

Sylanya
03-27-2006, 01:37 PM
Werd- thank you very much!

I think I realized something last night while I was painting that background. I am lazy as hell and impatient when it come to painting. I really need to get over that is I plan on becoming a good and serious artist. Do any of you guys ever have this problem? 'Cause I'm sure that my paintings would look a lot better is I just spent more time on them and didn't get sick of them so fast. If any of you have ever done this, what did you do to get over it?

Sylanya
03-27-2006, 02:24 PM
I just thought I'd post a few sketches I did last year for the DSF. Some of them took me far longer than they should have for a 'sketch'.

The Deep
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/DS329-thedeep.jpg

It doesn't normally have Wings (honestly, this was the first thing that popped into my head)
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/DS327-doesntnormallyhavewings.jpg

Joan of Arc
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/DS317-JoanofArc.jpg

Edgar Allan Poe
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/333-EdgarAllanPoe.jpg

LoTekK
03-27-2006, 03:19 PM
Hey, that last portrait is looking good. Eyes deserve more love, though. You're handling skintones really well so far, I think. Maybe a little more color variation, though? Let's see more of your current stuff, quit padding with old stuff. ;)

Sylanya
03-27-2006, 03:53 PM
LoTekK- Yeah, I got a little lazy on the eyes. And believe me, I would be posting more new pieces, if I had new pieces to show. I don't have a lot of time to paint these days, I'm so busy with school work and gymnastics and such. I hope I can get some time soon! :shrug:

LoTekK
03-27-2006, 05:47 PM
Don't take me too seriously, I was just busting your chops. :p It's just that your recent stuff shows a lot of potential, so I'm just hankering to see more. I've been pretty slack about keeping my sketchbook up to date myself, so it's not like I can talk. :blush:

werd
03-28-2006, 05:11 AM
I think I realized something last night while I was painting that background. I am lazy as hell and impatient when it come to painting. I really need to get over that is I plan on becoming a good and serious artist. Do any of you guys ever have this problem? 'Cause I'm sure that my paintings would look a lot better is I just spent more time on them and didn't get sick of them so fast. If any of you have ever done this, what did you do to get over it?

Haha im a lazy painter too, If I spend too much time on one thing i go crazy. I think what you need to do Is paint whatever it is that you are realy fascinated by. I started drawing stuff like landscapes and cartoons for the first few days and got bored so fast. I found that what I realy love to paint is people, more specifically faces. I love faces:). Thats just me tho, for you it might be landscapes or something. the thing is, I never get sick of drawing faces (no matter how crappy they look). Anyhow, Im sure we arent the only lazy painters around.

Good luck, and happy painting:D .

MatthewRodgers
03-28-2006, 12:14 PM
i find it helps if you find a style you want to replicate, or at least influence your work. Then you have a goal of the finished standard you want you r piece to get to. Do the proper prep - compostitional thumbnails etc, and the pic an artist. Someone whose work you love and who would be a challenge to try and equal, like craig mullins (haha yeah we can all equal him - in death :P ).
but yeah, that helps keep me on track. i kinda looked at other artists in the past, but when you are trying to nut out a specific style, and how they did it, it can keep you on track a lot better and help you learn in diff ways.
good luck
matty

Sylanya
03-28-2006, 01:32 PM
Werd-I actually really love faces, I just think that lately, I'm getting bored with them and unhappy that I don't finish them faster. I think I want to try painting hands soon too though.

Cavematty-Thanks for the advice. I guess that the person I would want to try and replicate is Linda Bergkvist. Her art is so amazing, and so similar to what I do anyways that I would like to try to be a good as her someday.

Sylanya
03-29-2006, 01:34 AM
Alright, I guess I'll post this. I'm working on a painting that involves a young woman who is experiencing snow for the first time and really like it (the lame version of the story, haha!). Anyways, here is a quick background sketch.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/winterdance-bgsketch.jpg

Sylanya
03-29-2006, 05:03 PM
Ugh, I just looked at these pictures after a couple days of ignoring them, and I realized my contrasts are awful. My skintones need more contrast in them, or more of, more darker colors in the shading. I need to be braver with my shading. It's weird because before it was the other way, where I would only shade and not hightlight a lot. Now I hardly shade at all. Weird isn't it?

Zephyri
03-30-2006, 08:43 AM
Hi Stephanie, always great to see artists bettering themselves by opening up to advice. I think you've made pretty good progress and I see a few hitches Ive encountered myself here, especially with faces and skintones. First thing I noticed about your faces was the eyes... the eye on the furthest side of the face tends to look flat, like you're drawing a flat shape rather than an orb. One thing I found helped me greatly whilst getting to grips with the perspective of faces was drawing in the orbs of the eyes lightly and moulding the lids and eyebrows around their shape, also helped me place the irises more accurately too. Don't be afraid to use reference either... I fell into the trap of believeing all these great artists like Linda and Stahlberg and Henning could paint like that off the top of their head and I felt I should be able to, too. While they can (much better than I can), their best works always use reference of some kind. By far your best face techincally, is the one you used reference for, as it shows little details like shines in the eyes and that sort of thing.

And yes, finding the patience to sit and finish something when you've got the basics down is tiresome sometimes.. I get impatient and want it to look fantastic after I've only spent a few hours on a piece, but all my fave pieces in my gallery are the ones I took care and time over. It's the only way to get that amazing finished result. Maybe you should sit down and plan a picture you're really excited about and then do it til it's finished, you'll probably find (as I do) that the bulk of the look of the picture is done in half the time, the other half is fiddling on with details and refining... a frustrating process usually, but worth it! It will give you motivation to spend more time on other things, as you'll want to replicate the standard you reach when you do spend time on it.

Also the suggestion earlier of taking unusual colours and painting skintones with them is a really good idea, as it can help you find new colours that work well in skin, other than the same old peaches and sienna browns. Its through doing that that I discovered blue and turquoise really give life to skintones if used right. Oh, and using the background colour is a must for pulling a whole picture together! I usually rub a bit of the skin colour over the background colour and use that as a dropper pallette for either highlights (if the bg is lighter) - or shadows (if its darker).

Have you looked through the Loomis books on drawing humans and heads and such like? There were a couple of links to free downloads of the pdfs in the tutorial forum, though I don't know whether they're still up. Loomis is one of the best resources there is, very simply explained and very thorough.

Wow... novelesque comment, sorry about that! Hope it's of some use.

Sylanya
03-30-2006, 03:22 PM
Zepyhri-Thank you so much for all the help. I will try to keep it all in mind in my next painting. :)

Sylanya
03-31-2006, 01:38 PM
Alright. I'm leaving for Chicago this weekend, and it's a six hour drive from here. I'm going for a competition! Anyways, I have to do some school work in the car and at the hotel, but I think I may be able to find some time for painting. We'll see.

See (or talk, whatever) you all later! :)

bryanbeus
03-31-2006, 05:45 PM
Keep up the good work!

Sylanya
04-01-2006, 02:37 AM
Here's a new one I did in the car. Same reference as last time was used. I tried a different kind of lighting scheme this time...for some reason, my faces always look so wide! It's strange...I should work on that.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise11.jpg

werd
04-03-2006, 02:08 AM
Hmm, I missed this update. I like the way you draw faces, theyr cute in my opinion:D. however here are a few things that might help. First, the forehead does not follow the head shape. It needs to curve a bit at the end or the head needs to extend higher(in red). Second there is something in the eyes that seems weird, I think its that the highlights are too strong from the left. Lastly some color from the background could be pulled down into the highlights to give the face a bit of natural reflectivness. Good luck, and as always, Happy painting:thumbsup: .

(excuse the roughness of this paintover, I am also learning to paint right now. I just painted some of the BG colors into the skin very crappily, hopefully this illustrates the stuff I was trying to say somewhat tho.)
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/8936/faceexercise0mo.jpg

Sylanya
04-03-2006, 03:07 AM
Just a quick sketch I did as an experiment after reading (once again) Linda's face painting tutorial in the d'Artiste book on digital painting. And it was really quick, but not daily sketch forum quick. I think I'm finally starting to see a little progress here.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise13.jpg

EDIT: I don't know why this isn't showing up. Maybe Comcast is having a server problem or something (I run my pics though my email, Comcast allows it's customers to create custom pages with their email). I'll see if it's working tomorrow.

EDIT2: Nevermind, I got it fixed. :) Ugh her nose is s flat!

Sylanya
04-03-2006, 03:13 AM
Hmm, I missed this update. I like the way you draw faces, theyr cute in my opinion:D. however here are a few things that might help. First, the forehead does not follow the head shape. It needs to curve a bit at the end or the head needs to extend higher(in red). Second there is something in the eyes that seems weird, I think its that the highlights are too strong from the left. Lastly some color from the background could be pulled down into the highlights to give the face a bit of natural reflectivness. Good luck, and as always, Happy painting:thumbsup: .

(excuse the roughness of this paintover, I am also learning to paint right now. I just painted some of the BG colors into the skin very crappily, hopefully this illustrates the stuff I was trying to say somewhat tho.)
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/8936/faceexercise0mo.jpg

That could explain why her head looks too round. Thanks for this, I really appreciate the help!

werd
04-03-2006, 05:21 AM
Always happy to help:). Your latest one looks realy good, all the proportions are right as far as I can see. Only thing I can say is you should start experimenting with other colors in the skin. Skin is partly transucent so light is scattered somewhat throughout because of the layers. Some parts are more translucent than others, meaning that colors from below and from around will show through a bit more. Skin is also refective, so colors from the environment are also apparent(mostly in the highlights I think). I dont even know if I explained this right, I kinda remember this stuff from when I was doing 3D art. If I explained it wrong or anything just let me know.

I hope I could be helpful, Happy painting:D (Ive gotta stop saying that, LOL)

Sylanya
04-03-2006, 05:08 PM
Your latest one looks realy good, all the proportions are right as far as I can see. Only thing I can say is you should start experimenting with other colors in the skin. Skin is partly transucent so light is scattered somewhat throughout because of the layers. Some parts are more translucent than others, meaning that colors from below and from around will show through a bit more. Skin is also refective, so colors from the environment are also apparent(mostly in the highlights I think).

Yeah, I'm trying to use other colors, they just sort of get lost under the skintone. The reason why I painted that dramatic lighting piece, with the firelight and moonlight, was to try new colors out. I guess I just need to get over my shy side that's afraid of colors.

werd
04-03-2006, 05:38 PM
Im sorry if my post was a bit redundant, I know others have said the same thing before. Its just thats the stuff I am learning right now also and there wasnt much else I could comment on. Believe me, you are doing much better than I am, I think my overpainting of the weird colors ruined you picture lol. I realy like the ways you draw faces, in my opinion you are doing very well:)

Sylanya
04-03-2006, 07:00 PM
Thank you Werd. I know people have told me that I need to start using more colors in my pictures, and I think they need to keep telling me until I finally do it. Don't worry about be redundant, I really don't mind. I need to hear all of this. :D

Aloriael
04-04-2006, 01:45 AM
Other than more colour... maybe different kinds of brushes too.
Experimenting with different shapes, textures could lead to learning a different way to blend colours and colour together to get different effects and maybe even make a break through in improvement.

Sylanya
04-04-2006, 04:23 AM
Other than more colour... maybe different kinds of brushes too.
Experimenting with different shapes, textures could lead to learning a different way to blend colours and colour together to get different effects and maybe even make a break through in improvement.

I actually do use several different brushes. My brush library is stuffed full of custom brushes. I use spackled, rugged, hard-edged, etc. I'm just not very good at blending yet. I'm still working on that. :)

Aloriael
04-04-2006, 02:29 PM
It just looks like it's a lot of hard edge that's all. Its cool that you do have a large brush collection.

I was looking at the pic you did in the car and read the crits... and I think the face looks wide coz of the hair line and a bit of the shading to make it appear more narrow.

Your picture's colours are so dynamic that it's a bit hard to do paintover ... excuse my rusty skills... too much world of warcraft in the past year. I think you have done more paintings than I ever have in my whole life in this very thread lol....I just like looking at pictures.

Sylanya
04-04-2006, 06:19 PM
Aloriael- Wow, that looks tons better. Thanks for the paintover. Im sure that if I look at it for awhile, it will really help out. Thank you so much.

And, yeah, I did overuse the hard-edged brush for this one, hehe.

werd
04-04-2006, 08:37 PM
Oooo, that is a nice paintover. I think the main diffrences are that its softer lighting and the colors are more blended. That helps make it look smoother:).

Oh ya, I almost forgot. If you are learning to blend, this (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259286&page=1&pp=15) is a great tutorial thread. I learned tons from there, especially about blending and lighting. If you are using photoshop you should definately check it out.

Sylanya
04-05-2006, 01:56 AM
Thanks for a link, werd! Unfortunately I don't have Photoshop CS so that 'ultimate' blender won't be of any use to me! LOL But I did just read through Linda's "thought's on smooth blending" thing again so hopefully that will help. I can try it out soon because I'm taking Studio Art at school and that's basically an independent study. I have permission to bring in my laptop and do computer painting in class, so YAY!

Thanks again!

Sylanya
04-05-2006, 02:50 PM
I'd just like to say yet again that I really appreciate all the help and advice you guys are giving me. It really means a lot. Thanks so much!

yecto99
04-05-2006, 06:42 PM
Woo!!! good progress, i like it.:)

Maladie
04-05-2006, 09:14 PM
Hi Sylanya,

just wanted to say I'm following your thread with much interest, because I think I'm somehow on the same level as you with things I have to learn and am learning. However you seem to progress a little faster:thumbsup:. Keep it up, and if you like, have a look in my WIP thread as well, would be nice to keep each other motivated:). For now just wanted to say good work!

Sylanya
04-06-2006, 01:40 AM
yecko99-Thank you!

Maladie-Actually, I have looked at your thread before. There's a lot of good stuff in there!

Sylanya
04-06-2006, 01:50 AM
This is a little snipet of a WIP of mine. I just started it today, and this is what I have so far of the face.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/winterdance-wip1.jpg

Any tips would be appreciated, but I haven't worked on her expression much yet.

werd
04-06-2006, 01:52 AM
I like it :). her jawline is a little short tho. As for the expression, i kinda like the one she has.

Sylanya
04-06-2006, 05:51 PM
Ok, that last face is no more. I totally resketched the whole painting today, that the face is different, and I think better. I might show you guys later. :)

Sylanya
04-09-2006, 12:51 AM
Ok, new face for the big painting. I like it a lot better feature wise, though it still needs a lot of work.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/winterdance-wip2.jpg

Sylanya
04-09-2006, 03:21 AM
Another face exercise. I was just experimenting...hehe.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise14.jpg

werd
04-09-2006, 03:42 AM
To tell you the truth I like the experiment one alot. It actually looks realy good to me. You should definately experiment more:D. The only thing I see about the other one is that it is just a little void of expression. The open eyes of the eariler version helped, dont even know why:shrug:. Also her left eye looks just a teeny bit flat. it should be slanted down more.

Seriously tho, you should just let loose and go crazy on those experiments, because that one is quite pretty to me:).

Sylanya
04-09-2006, 02:54 PM
LOL, thanks werd. I think I'm finally getting a clear understanding of faces. I just need to practice, practice, practice! I'll try to do another experiment this evening.

Yeah, I noticed last night that the left eye was angled wrong. I'll fix it when I feel motivated. Right now, this painting has been giving such a had time I don't even want to look at it. :scream:

jmBoekestein
04-09-2006, 02:55 PM
Colours are very intruiging on the last one. Very nice, seems like there's ujst a bit of moonlight is hitting her face, kind of like she's standing in a big barn

Sylanya
04-09-2006, 04:51 PM
Thanks jmBoekestein!

Aloriael
04-10-2006, 01:13 AM
The last face experiment looks good, improved shading and blending skills there :)

Sylanya
04-10-2006, 02:51 AM
Yay, another fun sketch. I really love how her attitude came out. She looks almost exacty how I pictured her. Maybe I should give this girl a name?

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise15.jpg

Aloriael
04-10-2006, 01:03 PM
Another paintover... I hope you don't mind...it kinda gives me a bit of practice to get rid of the rust/dust off my tablet and perhaps learn more at the same time....your faces are interesting :)

A few adjustment layers like selective colour to help achieve some the effects...to give it that darker shadow.

Smudge with spackle brush to do the hair line and the blending of everything....sometimes use the same brush with brush tool and go over with colour.

Used light cyan, white to high light bits, orange and pink tones for blush. bight yellow for eyelids

I like putting in the edge light on the face.. looks a bit more realistic as I was using a mirror for reference for the shadows and so on.

Sylanya
04-10-2006, 02:10 PM
Thanks for the help again, Aloriael. However, I'm not really liking what your did with her eye make-up, I liked it better the way I had it. Now it's too yellow and not as dark.

Sylanya
04-11-2006, 05:23 PM
Just a littel sketch for the Daily Sketch topic "My Pet". This is my goofy mutt Gabi. Referenced from a photo.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/my_pet.jpg

Icey
04-13-2006, 04:27 PM
thank you for steping by on my thread!
you have a very clear evolution.. That dog is the best i've seen on your thread! :)

Hopeing to see more of you !
cheers

Icey

jmBoekestein
04-13-2006, 05:00 PM
agreed, the dog is great! Good work! :thumbsup:

Simon
04-13-2006, 08:57 PM
Nice dog. The eyes bring a good amount of life into the image.

Sylanya
04-13-2006, 11:22 PM
Thanks everyone. I'm glad you like the painting I did of my dog. I do love her dearly, she has such a personality, it was really fun to try and capture it.

cuddlesmcsavage
04-14-2006, 01:25 AM
its impressive how quickly you improved between your fist and last post! i have found its just a matter of spending enough time of pieces, especially with pieces. i actually just posted my most recent finished piece, and i've found that it works well to start at the mid tones then work down to the shadows and up to the highlights. just so long that the anatomy of the face is adhered to it always works out well. good job with the eyes on the last one too! I'm interested to see more!

Sylanya
04-14-2006, 01:15 PM
Thank you very much, escapism. I am trying hard to stay patient with my pictures nowadays. I'm pushing myself to stay with it even if it looks like garbage, because it could always get better. Thanks again!

Sylanya
04-16-2006, 08:04 PM
Happy Easter everyone!

Sylanya
04-18-2006, 01:17 AM
Ok, I have decided that I am going to try practicing a different way. What I'm going to do it paint only eyes for one week, then the next week will be only noses, the next will be lips, the next ears, and then start painting whole faces using what I learned with those exercises. Hopefully I will learn a bunch about faces and skintones this way.

Sylanya
04-18-2006, 05:00 PM
Oh, by the way, good news, I accepted my enrollment in the Minneapolis College of Art and Design (MCAD)!!! YAY!! I am so friggin' excited! See, cause Im using too many exclamation marks!

jmBoekestein
04-18-2006, 05:56 PM
Yay!!! good luck! I bet you'll learn a lot over there. :cool:

Great news.

Sylanya
04-18-2006, 06:24 PM
Thanks JM!

Sylanya
04-20-2006, 05:23 PM
Painted for the Daily Sketch topic, "Lonely..."

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/lonely.jpg

The anatomy's off and her nose looks funny... :hmm:

adrianospm
04-21-2006, 01:56 AM
I took your image and tryed to show the bodies position, Im no expert but i hope it helps
it was fun for me anyway!

adrianospm
04-21-2006, 01:57 AM
Im not an art taecher or anything

jmBoekestein
04-21-2006, 02:04 AM
Her nose looks fine to me, I think it's the overall play between features on her face that are distracting.

adrianospm
04-21-2006, 02:07 AM
with cloeths

Norante
04-21-2006, 02:41 AM
I hope you don't mind that I altered some of the image to show you what I think could be improved :) It's really a rough, quick mockup:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7599/untitled13tu.jpg

I think by adjusting the angle of the right shoulder, the base of the neck and increasing the shadow closer to the points she touches the floor can improve it a lot.

:thumbsup:

Sylanya
04-21-2006, 03:13 AM
Thank you for the advice everyone!

frostblade
04-21-2006, 05:10 AM
I think you need to make her look like she is sitting on her butt... looks like she's is floating.

Something you might consider though... you might want to relax the pose of her legs as depressed people usually don't have much energy in them to hold such a pose.

If you have a full length wardrobe mirror, try doing the same pose and check out what I mean.

werd
04-21-2006, 05:48 AM
Well, It seems evryone else expressed their crits in picture form. Ill try with some words:). First, her chest is a bit flat. The hand on her chest should be moved forward some. Second, her neck is too strait and upright for her current posture. it should be slanted a bit more forward to match the curvature of her back. Also, you could plump up her buttocks a tad.

As for the nose, I dont think it is the nose at all. I think that the cheek beside it( her left one) is a bit too dark. The light would hit it a bit harder I think, that might match the highlight on the nose a little better.

Good luck with college by the way, I look forward to watching your progress:D.

bryanbeus
04-21-2006, 06:17 AM
Keep paintin' Sylanya:) You're doing some good thinkin' in here. My only crit would be to say what I say to me-self: draw from life as much as you can!
Keep it up - Beaux

Sylanya
04-21-2006, 01:31 PM
frostblade-Thanks for the help. Unfortunately, I don't have a full length mirror, but I wish I did. Maybe when my parents and I move I can get my hands on one.

Werd-Thanks for the crit. I know the pose is completely messed up, but I didn't have a reference for it... :hmm: Again, I wish I had a huge mirror! :cry:

beaux-I completely understand that I should draw from life or from reference more. I just don't have time for that, unfortunately. I'm so busy with schoolwork and gymnastics and college stuff, the only time I have for painting is about 1 hour and a half during Studio Art class, and maybe a few minutes in the evening. Plus, the only digital camera in the house is my dad's D100. I need to invest in a digital camera of my own, me thinks...:hmm:

Thanks everyone for all the help, the paintovers, and the crits. I really appreciate it!

:arteest:

Sylanya
04-21-2006, 05:25 PM
An eye. Painted from a reference (though the ref had a bunch of golden make-up and glitter all over the place, it was hard to "wash" that off). :)

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/eye2.jpg

Hmm...I think it's a bit too shy on the colors, now that I think about it. :hmm:

Salubri3i
04-22-2006, 01:41 AM
Hmm...I think it's a bit too shy on the colors, now that I think about it. :hmm:

Not as shy as I am when it comes to skin. :D

That eye looks pretty good.

Sylanya
04-22-2006, 01:49 AM
farseer ekek-Thank you!!

jmBoekestein
04-22-2006, 03:25 AM
With what little time you have you seem to jumping leaps and bounds! :thumbsup:. The skin above the top eyelid is neat. I love the effect. Is it just some yellow specular? Looks guuud.


:)

Sylanya
04-22-2006, 02:44 PM
Jan-Mark-Thank you! :) Actually, I just took a tip from Linda's eye tutorial and added texture by lightly adding little dots of light yellowish color. Makes the skin look porous.

Hopefully I can find time tonight to do a few more eyes. I've been sketching them on paper all week, learning things I didn't know about their shapes, their textures, and many other things. It's quite fun.

Runecaster
04-23-2006, 12:56 AM
Hi Syl :)

I just wanted to pop in, you know I don't have much to say being so n00b as I am, but I wanted to chime in that that eye is just lovely! I love how clean your lines are, how crisp it looks. Well done!

Sylanya
04-23-2006, 02:05 AM
Another eye, another reference used.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/eye3.jpg

Sylanya
04-23-2006, 02:09 AM
Hi Syl :)

I just wanted to pop in, you know I don't have much to say being so n00b as I am, but I wanted to chime in that that eye is just lovely! I love how clean your lines are, how crisp it looks. Well done!

Thank you Labyrinth! I really like watching your progress on this site, your improving very quickly!

Sylanya
04-23-2006, 06:01 PM
I think I'm gonna try a green eye today...yeah.

jmBoekestein
04-23-2006, 06:05 PM
Interesting :), I have a thing for jaws, but I 'd end up drawing entire portraits. It's seemingly a good way to learn to detail as well, without the distraction of all the other body parts. Great work on the last one btw. It's very beautiful too.

Sylanya
04-23-2006, 06:12 PM
Thank you Jan-Mark! I hope that these exercise will really help me improve at faces as a whole. I hope...:shrug:

jmBoekestein
04-23-2006, 06:26 PM
Well, it looks like you're getting a good hang of volume rendering through these excercises, The way the direction of a surface influences the intensity and colour of it. I assume that the more you practice this the more intuitive it becomes. You have a good sense of easthetics in your portraits, so they'll be great. :) Thing I want to accustom myself to do is to check good photographs like the ones in magazines for how the faces react to just a few lightsources. It's fun too. Check this out >>link<< (http://www.fordmodelseurope.com/frame_browse.asp?lang=e) , I saved a whole bunch of pictures from here allready. But there's tons to learn about faces and light in here. COnsidering they pay these guys a lot and then put these pics up for free, better dig in is what I thought.

Hmm, I'm ranting lol. Good going. :thumbsup:

Runecaster
04-23-2006, 06:55 PM
:applause: that last eye you did is AMAZING, wow!

Sylanya
04-23-2006, 08:38 PM
Jan-Mark-Thank you. I have actually already run across that website, and saved several pics from there myself. I plan on painting them once my features exercises are done. :)

LabyrinthineMind-Thank you! *hugs*

Sylanya
04-23-2006, 11:21 PM
Here's the green eye I promised. I think I'm really starting to understand how the iris is supposed to look, texture-wise. I still feel a bit off on the skintones and around the eye. Maybe I just feel to repetive. Maybe....maybe I should try different lighting...yeah.

Anyways, here's the green eye:
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/eye4.jpg

Added some freckles in there for fun, though they don't look really realistic. :hmm:

EDIT: By the way, if you guys want to see me practice a particular color, like red or purple, or brown, or something, feel free to let me know. I should practice different colored eyes as well as different shapes and angles and such.

Salubri3i
04-24-2006, 01:05 AM
Another eye, another reference used.



I like the blue eye. The work you did on the iris is impressive. However there might be something wrong with the shape of the iris.

I'm loving your skin tones. :arteest:

Sylanya
04-24-2006, 02:15 AM
Farseeker ekek-Actually it's not the iris that's off, although it is off a bit. It's actually the eyelids are not quick right. :hmm:

Sylanya
04-24-2006, 05:07 PM
Here's another one...I don't like this one so much, the iris color isn't too good, and the skintones are horrible!! I was trying to go for the same sort of colors as Linda's "Gone" piece, but they just went wrong somewhere, and now the skin looks sick...literally. Anyways, here you go.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/eye5.jpg

Sylanya
04-24-2006, 06:35 PM
Hmm...my skin looks...not skin-like. Weird, maybe it's because I'm not putting enough variation and saturation in there. I dunno, can you guys help?

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 12:46 AM
I'm...lost. I just read through Linda's "Thoughts on Blending" again for the nth time, and there's one little bity bit I just don't get how to do...

How do you pick two colors to bring vibrancy out?? I understand what they are supposed to do, but I don't understand how you decide what colors they should be. Can anyone explain this to me??

adrianospm
04-25-2006, 01:15 AM
Its yor colors, look at a face its alot of colors, yours is mainly yellow.
you should look up some facts about colors like warm and cold colors, for ex if its a cold light theres often a warm shadow, Another thing you should practice is witch color is i dont know how to say it but green is opposit red orange-blue yellow-purple and so on
Forgive my english

adrianospm
04-25-2006, 01:22 AM
sorry dident read your post very good i might have sounded rude.

I think you should first understand the difference betwene warm and cold colors.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i36/adrianospm/warmandcold.jpg

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 02:10 AM
Thanks for the advice, adrianospm. I didn't think about that opposite the color wheel thing, thanks for pointing that out to me. :)

By the way, I know what warm and cold colors are.

frostblade
04-25-2006, 04:39 AM
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5120/colours1hm.jpg
I think you needed a few of those colours in it for shading.

I've already painted over to experiment if it will look like the gone colours to justisfy the findings... so if you want to see the results just post that you do or something.

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 01:24 PM
I would love to see the paintover. I'm trying to learn, and anyone who has some kind of advice is going to help me out, even in paintovers. I really don't mind unless I'm really proud of the piece. ;) Which that one I am not. I would greatly appreciate the paintover.

frostblade
04-25-2006, 02:32 PM
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/977/eyesyl4ms.jpg

here you go.

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 02:41 PM
Wow, that looks tons better. Thank you for showing me that, I think I learned several things from this, and not just the skintones either. Thank you very much!

frostblade
04-25-2006, 02:48 PM
I learned too lol
I always liked the "Gone" picture it was kind of a chance to really deconstruct it.

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 02:54 PM
Yeah, it is beautiful isn't it? But my favorite of her is "Nelicquele". I don't know why, but I just love that one. Maybe it's because Nelicquele appears to have a secret, but she is hiding it with innocence and dignity. I think it's her eyes.

Oh, and I love the dress, I want one like that. :blush:

frostblade
04-25-2006, 03:10 PM
Yeah, they're all really good :)

Have you seen "Thus mellowed to that tender light"? It's in the exotique book...haven't seen a larger web version though :( It has a very romantic setting :)

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 05:13 PM
No I haven't seen that yet. I saw the submission, cause I submitted something for the Expose 4 (which didn't get in, unfortunately), and then I just browsed around in the submissions and saw that small, low resolution version. Can make out much though, I wish I could see it bigger.

Anyways, two new eyes. First one had a ref for the shape, second one was a quick sketch done in 15 minutes as an experiment.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/eye6.jpg

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/eye7.jpg

Nehym
04-25-2006, 06:37 PM
Those are really great looking eyes, you're improving. :)
I'll comment on the last 2 for now: I really like the purple one, the way you shaded and textured the skin around it. Linda's tips in her tutorials are very helpful aren't they? What i see though that could be improved is probably the shape or even perspective of the iris which doesn't really seem to follow the angle of the face/where she is looking at.

As for the other one, much sketchier but as you said, jsut a 15 minutes doodle, i like how the skin looks a little more ''fragile'', i guess it is the effect of the tones you used in it though it could use some more delicate color variation. Maybe some soft light blues in the highlights and some pinkier tints around the eye, mainly at the corner of the eye where the tear duc is.

Considering your question about the choices of other colors to use in skin.. the tip of cold highlight/ warm shadows and vice versa works well, and opposite colors too.. But you can also bring other colors in, you just have to ''feel'' them. It,s not because you are using a green in an area that it really shows as green, you jsut have to try it and faintly add some here and there. Have colder colors on the foreheard and chin, warmer on the cheeks/nose tip etc.

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 06:49 PM
Thank you for the advice. I guess I'm kind of timid when it comes to experiment with colors. I really shouldn't be, because I can save a different million versions of one picture along with the original, but I don't know why I don't try it. But thank you for the help, I'll try to keep it in mind the next time. :)

Nehym
04-25-2006, 06:54 PM
Hehe i know how it is, i'm the same. And i had the exact same thoughts of saving a gazillion different versions and it is what i am doing. Maybe you should try to paint skin of different colors or with colored lighting? It can bring some happy accidents and learning. :)

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 07:04 PM
I guess I could try that. When you say different skin colors, do you mean like...blues and greens, or oranges?

I actually have this wacky Medusa lamp that has five arms with a different colored shade on it, so that would be good for different lighting colors. :shrug:

Nehym
04-25-2006, 08:15 PM
Yeah i guess that could be good. :) As for skin colors.. I guess any color really, as long as you like it.. You jsut play with it to learn how different colors interact with each other and in the end, it gives you an overall learning.

That is what i am currently doing, i'm painting some sort of portrait with greenish skin. I think we have to somewhat break the usual skin color cliché in our head.

Sylanya
04-25-2006, 08:37 PM
Ok, I guess I ill be practicing skintones this week instead of nosies. That's ok though, I really, really, desperately need to practice my skintones. I'll try out different colors and stuff too, hopefully I'll learn something. :bounce:

By the way, do you think that sketching in Painter may help with skintones too? Or would either program work, I mean for working other colors into a skintone?

I should paint in Painter more, actually, it's just so crazy that I get overwhelmed and back away. Or just frustrated 'cause the brushes aren't doing what I want them too. We shall see. Maybe I should do this "practice" plan a little differently. Yeah. :hmm:

Nehym
04-25-2006, 09:09 PM
Haha once again i feel your pain about Painter.. I think that painters color wheel is much better than Photoshop's, well it works better for me.. but i'm too used too Photoshop's tools that i get frustrated in Painter when it doesn't do what i want it to do. But i've found some neat brushes that i tweaked and these works well now for me. I,ve got them on Robert Chang's (Lunatique) website. I got another set but i can't remember where i got it. :shrug: Sketching in it.. Well it sure forces you to only sketche and not worry too much about all the little intricate detailing. There's a way to do it but for quick work, it is nice. But both have pros and cons.


As far as experiementing goes.. I think you should maybe try to do it in a simple way, do portraits mainly, which would all include the facial features you wanted to work on + the skin tone.. then you can choose that in this one, you'll emphazie the lips, on the other one, the eyes just so you can play with different features all the time. :) But eh.. those are only ideas and suggestions that works well for me.. i'm no master and pretty muc at the same stage as you, learning what i can when i can. :D

Salubri3i
04-26-2006, 01:21 AM
i think lilie's advice is a good one sylania. instead of working on the features one by one perhapse doing whole portraits can help you advance in leaps and bounds. going into great details with each features is a nice practice for one to learn the said feature intimately but when you move to the whole works(figure, portrait), I think that you very rarely have to do them in great detail. In fact the artist job(like in figure drawing) is to simplify the human form and still in doing so make good impressions of the complexity of masses in the human body rather than doing them all in great detail. The artists paints the suggestions and the human mind will fill in the blanks.

uhm... i read all that in a book somewhere. :arteest:

Sylanya
04-26-2006, 03:04 AM
Yeah, you guys are right. I'm gonna switch back to painting whole faces again. I just tend to focus on one feature when I paint the face (usually the nose, for some reason). I need to switch around, block everything in, then refine them all at the same time instead of individually. And I will practice skintones! :arteest:

pap87
04-26-2006, 04:51 AM
Wow, great thread. I love seeing how people improve starting from fairly average then becoming like an expert. Those eyes you have done are excellent, I could a hell of a lot from you, so thanks!

Sylanya
04-26-2006, 12:16 PM
Thank you pap87! I appreciate the comment, and I'm glad you're learning a lot. I am too. ;)

You know, one thing that I think makes Linda's work really marvelous lately is, not only the improvement in skintones (which is fantastic by itself) but Linda's wonderful use of light. I was showing her paintings to my Grandma the other day, and my Grandma commented on how she uses light so beautifully, and that got my thinking, light is a big influence on the rest of the painting, and I never really gave it much thought before. I think that, along with practicing skintones and facial features, I'm gonna experiment with lighting too, and I don't mean just with color.

And maybe I'll do a few bust portraits too, slowly begin improving my anatomy and such, cause right now, while I have a basic concept of what everything should look like, I don't have a good grip on it. Or maybe a few full bodied paintings for the DSG will be enough? :hmm:

Sylanya
04-26-2006, 05:12 PM
Yay, a face! Ok, there was a reference used for this, but it was black and white, so I didn't reference colors off of it, only shapes. I think the skintones came out too...red? I don't really know why they don't look quite right. Any idea?

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/face_exercise19.jpg

Ew, I must have accidently save it at a low compression. Ah man...:banghead:

paperclip
04-26-2006, 05:16 PM
Oooh, pretty!

I think you need to lower the nostril a bit ,but apart from that, I really like it. The colors remind me of Marlon Kromodikoro (Art2)'s work. I really like it! :thumbsup:

Sylanya
04-26-2006, 05:27 PM
Thank you Theresa! I see what you mean about the nostril, it is angled too much; something else I noticed was that the near eye as to far from the nose. :hmm:

JTD
04-26-2006, 08:44 PM
...that got my thinking, light is a big influence on the rest of the painting...

Light is everything. Without it there is no form, no color, no depth. Definitely use it to your advantage even if you feel it is contrived at first, such as shading one side of the nose. Concentrate first on basic values (lightness and darkness) and then remember that light bounces and picks up color to take to the next object.

Also, your backgrounds are unnatural. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it's hard to find natural light in an unnatural background. If I understand you correctly, you want a more natural feel so you'll want to keep the backgrounds very natural or, at least, very neutral in order to achieve naturalism with your portraits. If I could only find a way to slip in the word "natural" one more time!:scream:

Sylanya
04-27-2006, 02:32 AM
I tried out Painter for the Red Dragon topic in the Daily Sketch Topic.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/reddragon.jpg

frostblade
04-27-2006, 09:21 AM
I just found a very detailed eye tutorial if your interested
http://www.deviantart.com/view/22778396/

have a look if your interested, it even tells you how to stroke the details are done... and kinda funny too.

Sylanya
04-27-2006, 12:13 PM
Thanks for the link, frostblade!

Sylanya
04-28-2006, 12:44 PM
Don't you hate it when, the only day in the week you have a break, you're just not in the mood for painting. Try as you may, you just can't get inspired? I just had that happened yesterday, I don't like it.

Maybe its a subconscious thing, where, when we know we should be doing something else, we ever feel the need to do what we aren't supposed to, and get a urge to do it. But when you have the time for it, it just isn't as fun. I hope I can get over that soon. :hmm:

Runecaster
04-28-2006, 01:35 PM
Heyas Syl. Your thread is great, I am totally learning just reading stuff in here - its awesome :)

I totally have days like that - I feel depressed when that happens, so I try not to think about it and I play Oblivion or World of Warcraft, to completely get rid of any painting feelings at all... that tends to help -- or watch a movie. Anything to get my mind off not being inspired.

pap87
04-28-2006, 04:15 PM
I play Oblivion or World of Warcraft, to completely get rid of any painting feelings at all... that tends to help -- or watch a movie. Anything to get my mind off not being inspired.

Lol. Funny you should say that because only today I got my hands on a new graphics cards and I find myself hooked on Doom 3 :twisted: already. That means that for the next couple of days ... no work for me. (work? what work? :rolleyes:) yeah, that's my attitude right now.

My advice to you Sylania is:
GET BACK TO WORK,
haha, kidding. Do whatever it takes to get rid of that feeling. But whatever you do you don't wanna end up like me, OK?
Let's see some more portraits! (pretty bad inspiration, I know, but I tried)

Sylanya
04-28-2006, 05:22 PM
Done for the Daily Sketch Topic "Illustrate this Poem" which I suggested, but ironically didn't have an idea for. This is so boring, I need to figure out a different way of doing daily sketches. Must practice...this summer.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/toseeaworld2.jpg

Oh yeah, no reference either. :)

jmBoekestein
04-28-2006, 05:37 PM
My god... What AAAARE you saying!? :eek:

push yourself! DO Silly experiment! Make silly lineart about how bored you feel when you're painting!

Stop this insanity!!!

SCRIBBLES SAYS
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j284/jmBoekestein/noooo.jpg

jmBoekestein
04-28-2006, 05:38 PM
oh ok, that's really beautiful actually! :) I take it back, didn't see the dsg sketch. :thumbsup:

Sylanya
04-28-2006, 05:49 PM
LOL JM! Thanks for bringing your little friend Scribbles, it is quite hilarious! And thanks for the comment on the last face. Much appreciated. :)

jmBoekestein
04-28-2006, 06:06 PM
You're welcome, he was pretty agitated, was worth the snapshot. :)

Sylanya
04-28-2006, 06:10 PM
I can tell. :D

Sylanya
04-29-2006, 01:04 AM
Ok, I have another idea for the sketch topic I did the last painting for. Hopefully I'll have time for it tonight!

Sylanya
04-29-2006, 03:06 AM
Experimenting. I tried something different for the same topic as the previous painting. I like this better, even though it is proportionally and anatomically inaccurate. :hmm:

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/toseeaworldagain.jpg

Runecaster
04-29-2006, 11:55 PM
I really love that concept behind this ^^ one Syl!!

Did ya ever think of just using photo references? There are TONS of stock photos with people in the pose you need, or get a family member to pose for you and snap a pic -- just to get the proportions right? People are hard :/ It's why I've like, stayed away from them so far.... lol

Sylanya
04-30-2006, 12:08 AM
Yeah, I do think about photo references. I really should snap them, I just wish a had a digital camera...:hmm:

Sylanya
04-30-2006, 02:33 AM
I tried out the Red Dragon topic again, in Photoshop this time.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/reddragon2.jpg

pap87
04-30-2006, 01:26 PM
Cool, I don't know if it's because you used Painter in the previous one and Photoshop in this one but it certainly looks a lot better, not only more polished but more anatomically correct too. Keep those pics coming. :arteest:

Sylanya
04-30-2006, 07:18 PM
Thanks. I really learned a lot about lighting in that pic too. Glad to know you like it.

I'm really inspired to paint right now! I just don't know what to paint...:hmm: Any suggestions?

jmBoekestein
04-30-2006, 07:44 PM
How about a mythical creature... maybe along the trends of a mermaid but different.

Sylanya
04-30-2006, 07:47 PM
I had been wanting to paint a unicorn...

I'll do a quick sketch of one, but then I have this other idea I want to do. I've had this story in my head for a little while, and I just remembered it.

jmBoekestein
04-30-2006, 08:04 PM
Sounds cool! :)

Sylanya
04-30-2006, 09:41 PM
Here's the unicorn.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/unicorn.jpg

pap87
05-01-2006, 01:04 AM
Great, you've definitely got the shading and rendering skills down now, but (I'm not a horse expert) the anatomy of the unicorn is just a bit off. The back legs look good to me, but the front ones are strange. particularly where they come out of the body. The way you've done the neck it seems like it just flows too smoothly into the body. The ears, well they are probably that big because of personal preference, am i right? The head, i would make a little bigger but that's your choice again. Anyhow, good job.:thumbsup:

Sylanya
05-01-2006, 01:06 AM
A BG concept for a WIP I have in mind. It's not going to be a fully rendered painting, but more than a sketch. I'm excited to work on it, since I've had this idea in my head for over a year. :bounce:

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/tilldeathdouspartWIP1.jpg

Sylanya
05-01-2006, 03:08 AM
Great, you've definitely got the shading and rendering skills down now, but (I'm not a horse expert) the anatomy of the unicorn is just a bit off. The back legs look good to me, but the front ones are strange. particularly where they come out of the body. The way you've done the neck it seems like it just flows too smoothly into the body. The ears, well they are probably that big because of personal preference, am i right? The head, i would make a little bigger but that's your choice again. Anyhow, good job.:thumbsup:

I'm not much good at animal anatomy, though I did use a reference for the pose. I agree that the front legs look strange. The head was smaller to emphasize the unicorn's delicacy, and the neck was the same.

Thanks for the comment!

audit
05-01-2006, 03:03 PM
Heya, I reckon you could add some more mass to the unicorn. Either that or make it more like a pony and smaller all over, which would certainly emphasise delicacy. If you go for the horse dimensions, I would concentrate on the proportion.

This may help show what I mean, hope you don't mind. Didn't do a paint-over as I've heard they aren't actually that useful --

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Photos/unicornb.jpg

The body has a wider girth towards the back legs, whilst the front legs are much skinnier than you have drawn them. In fact both sets of legs are pretty thin. The neck is also thicker, not so smoothly curving and swan-like. The head should probably be the correct 'horse size' if you see what i mean, otherwise it looks a little inaccurate and dwarfish..it's really quite big proportionally. Ears and horn, well, you can make those up...I don't know what you're going for with the tail, but maybe it could be a bit bushier?

Anyhoo, keep it up!

Sylanya
05-01-2006, 05:12 PM
I was actually going for a more deer-like type body, while still maintaining a horse-like look. I stupidily realized I should have looked up a deer reference rather than a horse far too late in the painting.

By the way, the tail is supposed to be more like a lions tail, with a tuft at the end.

Thanks for the help and the crit!

audit
05-01-2006, 05:26 PM
OK, no prob :) Your drawing makes more sense for that explanation..

That's a pretty complicated hybrid-thing you're going for...good luck with it!

Sylanya
05-01-2006, 05:29 PM
That's a pretty complicated hybrid-thing you're going for...good luck with it!

Lol, thanks. :)

Sylanya
05-01-2006, 05:34 PM
Update on the WIP. I blocked in the girl, and added a few bones.

This is still very sketchy right now, I'm just trying to block everything in. And I just realized her shoulder is too big...
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/tilldeathdouspartWIP2.jpg
Now I need to find a reference photo of a guy in a dead pose...:hmm:

Runecaster
05-01-2006, 09:57 PM
I like this concept Syl, it's looking cool :)

honestly, just check deviantart... tons of people who do stock photos there :D

Will be watching for updates!

Maladie
05-01-2006, 10:14 PM
Hey Sylanya, good work on the bg colours and the mood. The woman in the white dress forms a nice contrast! I like where this is going and will check back on your progress. Already a nice atmospheric feel established (English is mucked because of late hour but you'll get my drift I hope:))!

jmBoekestein
05-01-2006, 11:00 PM
Looks like the makings of a really good piece, perspective is very good on the girl. :thumbsup:

Sylanya
05-02-2006, 12:49 AM
Thanks everyone!

Laby-I actually used DA to find the pose for the girl. Though I think I might change it a bit because it's not quite what I want.

I'm thinking of making this into a full-fledged painting, with tons of details and stuff. Before I was just going to make it more than a sketch, but less than a full-painting. Now I'm thinking I want to do more. :wise:

adrianospm
05-02-2006, 12:59 AM
thats one cute unicorn! it seemes to me your getting better every time i look!
the objekts and characters feel more fysikaly real to me than before.
Directions of the body like turning torso looks good much moore important than super correctg anatomy i think. The shoulder closest to the vviewer is to big but the other arm is also too small and hand? sorry for my english

Sylanya
05-02-2006, 01:19 AM
Thanks adrianospm! I know the shoulder is big, I'm gonna fix that when I fix the pose. I'm gonna get my schoolwork done quickly so I can have some time to work on this tonight.

By the way, I've never painted a big floofy skirt before, so this should be interesting... :bounce:

Salubri3i
05-02-2006, 01:21 AM
Here's the unicorn.



did you intentionally make the horn bent? it kinda looks bent a bit. maybe it's just me. i'm pretty anal sometimes. :D

are you going to leave the mane white? maybe yellow would look nice. coz the whole pic looks so monochramatic and cool... though if that's your intention then it's perfect. anyways it's just my two cents. :thumbsup:

I like the one you're working at very recently... you know i never can work like that... i mean block in colors without doing sketches... i'm afraid of losing the right proportions if i don't make a skeleton sketch first.

Oh and I have to say I like the way you experiment with colors... now if I can just borrow some of that boldness maybe I'll actually get somewhere. :wise:

Sylanya
05-02-2006, 01:29 AM
did you intentionally make the horn bent? it kinda looks bent a bit. maybe it's just me. i'm pretty anal sometimes. :D

are you going to leave the mane white? maybe yellow would look nice. coz the whole pic looks so monochramatic and cool... though if that's your intention then it's perfect. anyways it's just my two cents. :thumbsup:

Yeah, when I sketch in the unicorn I made the horn curving, but it doesn't look "curvy" anymore. Haha.

And I wanted the mane to be white. I like pure white unicorns, it makes them seem more ethereal. :D


I like the one you're working at very recently... you know i never can work like that... i mean block in colors without doing sketches... i'm afraid of losing the right proportions if i don't make a skeleton sketch first.

I was actually terrified of the thought of not using lines for a really long time. When I first started painting digitally, I always sketched the pic out on paper and then scanned it in. When I learned about blocking in colors, I was like "I could never do that" because I had been drawing with pencils all my life. But I eventually tried it and practiced and now it isn't as scary. It just takes some patience. You have to think in shapes rather than lines.

Oh and I have to say I like the way you experiment with colors... now if I can just borrow some of that boldness maybe I'll actually get somewhere. :wise:

Boldness? I didn't know I was being bold, I actually thought I was being quite shy, hehe.

Thanks for the comment!

Salubri3i
05-02-2006, 02:30 AM
And I wanted the mane to be white. I like pure white unicorns, it makes them seem more ethereal. :D


Yeah. That's much better. :D I guess I spent too much time painting miniatures. lolz. Whenever I did white horses I always painted the mane yellow(blonde-ish). I guess it sort of stuck. :shrug:


I was actually terrified of the thought of not using lines for a really long time. When I first started painting digitally, I always sketched the pic out on paper and then scanned it in. When I learned about blocking in colors, I was like "I could never do that" because I had been drawing with pencils all my life. But I eventually tried it and practiced and now it isn't as scary. It just takes some patience. You have to think in shapes rather than lines.


hmm... you know... i just might try that one of these days. this is turning out to be therapy for me. lolz.

i suppose i should also be bolder with my colors too... after all i can always change them if it doesn't work. lolz.

thanks sy. looking forward to seeing your latest project. ;)

Sylanya
05-02-2006, 03:16 AM
Thank you! *hugs*

Sylanya
05-02-2006, 01:53 PM
Ok, I sketch out a new pose on paper last night. I think it will work better than what I have, she looks to happy right now, and too dancer-like.

You know, it is impossible to find a pose for a dead person on DA! I looked and looked, I used the search engine, browsed through the stock images. I even did a google search and...nothing. Does anyone here know any good dead guy references, haha? I can't have a friend pose for me, cause I don't have any friends that are guys (not very social in real life).

Runecaster
05-02-2006, 05:08 PM
As far as the 'dead' pose - perhaps just have your dad or brother (if ya got one) to do it as you want it?

I know I am gonna use my husband for my next project :D :D

Sylanya
05-02-2006, 05:16 PM
Actually, there's no need (and I don't have a bro, not one that lives with me anyways). I painted in the dead guy today with a so-so pose that looked alright, but when I zoomed out the picture it just totally messed up the mood. I think it looks more mysterious and interesting without him in there.

Redid her pose, did some color work. Added a cardinal.
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/tilldeathdouspartWIP3.jpg

Salubri3i
05-03-2006, 12:52 AM
it's going great so far. i love how you establish mood. i also noticed that ability of yours when i saw your mermaid. :thumbsup:

there's something about that right arm though... it doesn't seem proportionate to her left arm.

Sylanya
05-03-2006, 02:46 PM
Ok two thing, well, make that three.

First, I'm going to start over on my current WIP, because I need to shoot some ref photos anyways, and I feel the background, while it conveys the right mood, isn't quite right. So I'm gonna start over.

Second, I think I may start a new thread in this forum. This one is cluttered with old stuff at the beginning that I cringe to look at now. I'd rather post my newer stuff because I'm happier with it. What d you guys think?

Thirdly, I'm gonna work on a sketch for the Daily Forum today as well as a concept sketch for the face of the main character in my WIP. So don't expect an update on my current painting.

That's all! :bounce:

pap87
05-03-2006, 02:54 PM
Just wondering, where do u get all the time to do this work?

Sylanya
05-03-2006, 03:07 PM
Well, I'm homeschooled, so I can find time. Also, I'm taking a Studio Art class up at the high school, which is basically an independant study, and my teacher lets me bring my laptop in.

I usually work really hard on school during the day, then go to gymnastics, then come home, have dinner and paint....:bounce:

So basically, I find time whenever I can. Haha.

Hope that answers your question!

audit
05-03-2006, 03:44 PM
Thirdly, I'm gonna work on a sketch for the Daily Forum today as well as a concept sketch for the face of the main character in my WIP. So don't expect an update on my current painting.

Daily Sketch Forum has had some great topics recently...I'm loving the medieval theme - it's fun to sketch and good practice...two birds with one sledgehammer as they say. Hope to see your work there soon!
/spam :)

Sylanya
05-03-2006, 05:09 PM
Well, this definitely is not what I wanted. It came out ok, but the colors are not right. *sigh* I'm horrible at choosing color, I must practice that.

For the Daily Sketch Topic "Guinevere and Lancelot"
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/guinevereandlancelot.jpg

adrianospm
05-03-2006, 05:16 PM
lookes good only one thing, the nearest arm looks like its floating in the air.
other wise i like the pose!

Sylanya
05-03-2006, 05:18 PM
Ugh, yeah...I am horrible at painting clothing. I really need to practice that. When schoolwork is over this year, I am going to practice two things: skintones and fabric. :buttrock:

Sylanya
05-04-2006, 11:44 AM
Yep...I did another one.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/guinevereandlancelot2.jpg

Maladie
05-04-2006, 11:56 AM
Ooh, that's really nice! Sexy atmosphere:). Can you tell me where you learnt how to light stuff correctly? I'm getting there myself but I wonder if maybe there's a good tutorial. Because yours looks really good in this one!

oogieboogietoogie
05-04-2006, 12:01 PM
I like the faces. You're very good at drawing faces ^__^

Perhaps implying more colder shadows with the warmer ones? For example, using blue or purple for the shadows. The image, to me, seems a bit flat right now.

Sylanya
05-04-2006, 12:08 PM
Maladie-It's just practice. You have to know where all of the shapes are and then place the lighting accordingly. I've also had a little advice from Linda in the past about skintones, so that helps.

Ninetales-Thanks for the comment. I'll try and keep your suggestion in mind.

Sylanya
05-04-2006, 05:27 PM
Ok, I shot a couple reference photos for the pose. I resketched the pose this morning, and I think it looks a lot better.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/tilldeathdouspartWIP4.jpg

cypherx
05-04-2006, 11:23 PM
you have some prettiful ideas in here

haha I have a painting similar to the "heat" one, except... well mine is naughty
ha
anyhow, I think I'm going to enjoy watching you grow

frostblade
05-04-2006, 11:51 PM
I like how there hair is going. And you have reflect light edges too, looks so sweet :)

Just a suggestion with the arm with no knife... it would be more interesting if she was to hold part of the dress and it would make more folds on the dress.

Runecaster
05-05-2006, 12:05 AM
Oh wow that's a huge improvement - I love the hair, too. Can't wait to watch this one grow :)

Sylanya
05-05-2006, 12:05 AM
cypherx-LOL, we must have somewhat similar minds eh? Love your mermaids sketches by the way, it makes me inspired to do some. :D

frostblade-Yeah, I was thinking about doing that too. Maybe I will. I'm not very good at painting fabrics though, they scare me, hehe. I'm terrible at folds. And I don't have a dress like that to reference from so I'd have to guess. We'll see. :arteest:

Labyrinth-Agh, you posted will I was typing up my response to cypherx and frosty, haha. Thanks hun! *hugs*

Salubri3i
05-05-2006, 12:47 AM
it's coming along nicely.

for the references try checking out how the old masters did it. you could go here (http://www.artrenewal.org/).

hope it helps. :thumbsup:

Sylanya
05-05-2006, 03:44 AM
Ok, I looked up a couple of Waterhouse paintings, because I know he did good fabric folds, and I resketched her skirt.

This is the outcome, I kinda like it!
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/tilldeathdouspartWIP5.jpg
I also worked on her face a smidge, and the skintones.

Iridyse
05-05-2006, 06:10 AM
The latest one is looking great!

Salubri3i
05-05-2006, 08:19 AM
Ok, I looked up a couple of Waterhouse paintings, because I know he did good fabric folds, and I resketched her skirt.

This is the outcome, I kinda like it!

Same here. I think that looks great sy. She's quite pretty. :love:

I'd still stay about 10 ft. away from her though. lol. for the obvious reasons. :bounce:

pap87
05-05-2006, 11:05 AM
Well, I'm homeschooled, so I can find time. Also, I'm taking a Studio Art class up at the high school, which is basically an independant study, and my teacher lets me bring my laptop in.
I usually work really hard on school during the day, then go to gymnastics, then come home, have dinner and paint....:bounce:
So basically, I find time whenever I can. Haha.
Hope that answers your question!

Sure does. The reason I asked is because I envy those that have time. I just wish my school work would disappear.
By the way you are improving, big time. :applause:
The fabric folds are quite good, I got a lot of those in my WIP as well so I guess I can learn from your trial and error, so thanks in advance! Haha.
Can't wait to see the couple picture finished.

Sylanya
05-05-2006, 12:19 PM
hiiri-Thank you!

Salubri3i-Haha, yea and don't marry her either. She'll take your inheritance. Thanks!

pap87-Actually, I wish my schoolwork would disappear. Unfortunately, right now it's crunch-time. I have a lot to finish before June 30 in order to get all my final grades into my college to keep my scholarship (a nice fat juicy one :bounce: )

By the way, the couple painting is done. It was for the Daily Sketch topic "Lancelot and Guinevere". :)

Man, I am so inspired right now! I wish all my schoolwork was done so I could just painting all the time. I have so many ideas!

umbrellasky
05-05-2006, 12:35 PM
I love the pose on this last painting. Beautiful face too :)

Sylanya
05-05-2006, 01:56 PM
Thank you enialadam! :)

Sylanya
05-06-2006, 02:41 AM
I painted this in the car on the way down to Chicago. Highly inspired by a photograph I saw in National Geographic (the background). References lightly used.

http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/underwater.jpg

And here's an update to my WIP.
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/tilldeathdouspartWIP6.jpg

pap87
05-06-2006, 01:21 PM
Yes she is looking really pretty now. The upper torso area is damn good. Something bugs me about the waist area, it looks elongated, and the right arm looks a little awkward. By what I can see the foot is turned too far to our left, that looks strange too.
The breasts also look a little too small for how far up they are pushed (don't want to sound like a pig), that could also be why the midsection is looking elongated. This is all just my opinion so don't feel obligated to change anything because it still is very good.
Your colour scheme is great, I like the composition.
Knife or no knife I'd go for her! :D

Sylanya
05-06-2006, 01:48 PM
Well, pap87, the reason her foot looks weird if because that is her right foot. She is stepping forward with her left, so the right foot would be turned out that much. I agree that her breasts are a little funky right now, I'll try to fix that. Thanks for the suggestions!

Runecaster
05-07-2006, 01:30 AM
I'd go back with the mermaid piece, by god, that looks amazing!

But then, I dig blue.

I think you did an amazing job on the folds of the dress - and you might not be done with that part, but could use a little blending near the top -- but my guess is you're gonna get to that. Love this so far :)

jmBoekestein
05-07-2006, 01:57 AM
Now you can see how strong composition can be... wow, the folds realy guide the eye and te overall framing allows for it perfectly. That's the stuff!!! :buttrock:

oogieboogietoogie
05-07-2006, 02:19 AM
The cardinal is so subtle, but it completely changes the setting, imo.

I think she is very beautiful, btw. Keep up the good work ^^

pap87
05-07-2006, 04:35 AM
the reason her foot looks weird if because that is her right foot. She is stepping forward with her left, so the right foot would be turned out that much.

Ah, OK. Now i understand. I assumed it was the outside of her left foot, when instead it is the inside of her right foot. My bad. Perhaps to make it more apparent you could have just the tip of her left foot poking out from undernerneath the dress, or better still just have it pitch black. It's a fairly dark picture so i guess not much light would make its way in there.

But no one else seems to have any probs with it, so i guess you don't have to change it.

It's your choice, I'm just nitpicking.

Sylanya
05-07-2006, 01:39 PM
LabrynthineMind-Thanks, I like blue a lot too. And yeah, I'm far from being down with the folds on the dress. I still have a lot of work to do with this picture.

Jan-Mark-Thanks. I feel like I've been learning a lot about composition lately.

Ninetales-Thank you. I wanted to add the cardinal to make the forest seem more realistic. Also I think when I add blood to her dress, the cardinal will help to make the red pop out more. :)

pap87-I did actually have it black before, but it didn't look right so I subtly add a foot in there. I could have a couple toes poking out to make it more clear. Thanks for th suggestion. :D

frostblade
05-08-2006, 03:28 PM
I think the folds are a bit too big and affect the dress too much.

Not going to do a paintover.. instead I draw up my explaination.
I got into a dress and studied the pose for a bit for the folds and came up with this... also use flat sheet to get more variety of folds to make this as well.


http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/5381/folds1qn.jpg

Anyways I hope this helps you improve.

Sylanya
05-09-2006, 12:54 PM
Thank you frostblade. I'll try to keep this in mind.

Sylanya
05-10-2006, 02:16 AM
I think I may start a new thread. I know I mentioned this before, but I really think I'm going to do it. It's just that this one is so cluttered up with old work, and I just feel like I need a new thread. So anyways, this is my last post in this thread. The next one will be called "Steph's Stuff" so keep an eye out for it.

Done for the Daily Sketch Topic "Lady of the Lake"
http://thecoloreddragon.home.comcast.net/images/ladyofthelake.jpg

Defcombeta
05-10-2006, 05:41 AM
fun stuff, and i know all about wanting to clean out and start anew. when that thread reachs the 30th page and a year or more stuff is stored they its time to move on to cleaner places.

j mac

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