The Journey Begins Challenge (3D) Entry: Henrik Kragh

[Kragh]

Maybe this will be the try, where I actually finish. And May just seems so far away, especially because we have snow in denmark now, and a lot of it. As I know the sun will shine in May, and I will be drinking beers in the garden, this really must to be in a distant future...The month of May, I mean!!

So I just HAVE to be able to pull it off this time;)

[ihamid]

hiya my old friend... yeah hopefully ull make it this time. dont think just do it :). will be waiting for those ideas and concpets .cheers

[MVDB]

Hey there Henrik!
Let's make this a great challenge :thumbsup:

Best of luck to you and have a nice trip.. ;)

[Kragh]

Hamid> I´m working on it, allright....but I really find it hard to come up with anything original;)

MichaelMotion> Let´s do that, indeed.

Anyone knows about camera plugins for max, that can simulate the effect of bended forms and so on buildings etc....you know, you are on a street, and at the same time you can se the top of the buldings, because of a very wide angle...and the buildings are curved towards the disapearing point in the sky....you just CAN´T make that effect with the normal cameras in max, because they don´t work physically correct...:(

[Gunilla]

Hi Henrik! :)

You could check the Lume distortion lens shader in MR - it gives a pillow effect that is quite good.

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141589831_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141589831_large.jpg)

Ok...this is the concept. And I know I did this sketch too fast for any of you to know what is going on. But we on a cliff side. The widthness of the image makes you see both the top and the buttom of the cliff at the same time.
A lot of distortion going on here;) There are a tree on the side, in which we have this nest of some sort. Mom and Daddy Bird is watching there child on his first flight away from the nest. Maybe I´ll make the birds more human like in their facial expressions, daddy with a little sad expression...Don´t know yet.

-AND HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO MAKE SUCH A DISTORTION IN THE LENS... I know for sure that max can´t do that in it´s standard cameras...maybe I´ll just build the distortion into the objects...:D

Crits please..;)

[Grin3d]

Good luck with the challenge, Kragh ! (Do you never drink beer in winter ? hehe :beer:

I like your concept. I only suggest for having patience that tiny birds aren't swallowed by the big ocean.

roman.

[Kragh]

Hi Henrik! :)

You could check the Lume distortion lens shader in MR - it gives a pillow effect that is quite good.

Hmmm...that would force me to learn MR, and that I just can´t manage these days. Too fed up with duties and such crap...But maybe I´ll make a search on the subject, and make the image in layers and use it for only those objects that needs it...MR, I mean.

[doffer]

Damn, I would kill for those drawing skills.
It looks awsome

:D

Good luck

[jais]

I like your concept. Especially the ligthing and the feel of infinity and the uknown journey to come.
I do think though that the story with the bird leaving the nest could be more articulate but hey.. You can proberbly fix that in 3d::
Looking foward to follow your progress.

[SketchPad]

Looks pretty tight there Henrik! :scream:

But then again, some of us already know your drawing skills,
we´re in for a treat :)

[Kragh]

Good luck with the challenge, Kragh ! (Do you never drink beer in winter ? hehe :beer:

I like your concept. I only suggest for having patience that tiny birds aren't swallowed by the big ocean.

roman.

Hehe...I know...and it would be a shame to let them disappear in water and stuff. But...actually my idea includes the posibility of them, the birds, being dragons...but that depends on how well things turns out, and if I can find the time. But if I decide to make dragons instead, then I don´t think size will be an issue anymore...;)

Thanks, and I´ll jump into your thread right away.

[Kragh]

doffer> Thanks man....;) please don´t kill me to gain skills though.

Jais> Yeah, I know...the whole bird/tree setup became a little doll. I sure wants to make the scenery more interesting, plus putting it more up front.

Tommy> Thx;)...

Well, enough of talking. Let´s start with the...dragon? Do I have the time? Hmmm...I really should decide now, as the tree and so should "know" which kind of creature will be sitting on it, to know the thickness og branches and such details...hmmm

Dragons it is...I LOVE DRAGONS...and it´s about time I make a fully detailed dragon in 3D;)

[triumphant]

Good luck with the challenge, Kragh !

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141601063_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141601063_large.jpg)

After a quick decision in my last post, I have started on the dragon. You really don´t want to see wires, ´cause they suck;)
But I wanted to just get some forms down very fast, cutting pulling...shaping. And as this is going to be a still, I don´t care now...
And with this speed I actually think I can make a dragon model pretty fast...maybe by the end of next week, it will be finished...and then I just need a tree and a sky and an ocean....maybe I CAN do this in the time given;)....

[ihamid]

nice idea kragh. kind get the idea!...nice modeling so far ! awaiting more developments!

[Benzon]

I like your idea, and I am really looking forward to see your final dragon...

[triumphant]

nice modelling :)

[MartinNielsen]

Hi, Kragh!

Not a bad modelling start. But I guess it needs a lot more detail before it looks real and "fleeshy". Right now it look smooth and metallic. Keep going.

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141848788_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141848788_large.jpg)

Working on the wings, trying to get them anatomically correct. Used a bat as reference, but just for anatomy.

Still a lot to be done...:D

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141952027_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1141952027_large.jpg)

An update on wing modelling. Trying to make some believable mucles, but still a long walk ahead;)

Also the "fingers" needs a lot more shape to them, now they are still too cylindrical.

Cheers

[SweD]

wings are simply beautiful ! :buttrock:

[se7enthcin]

I like the start. I hope to see more very soon! :)

[Kragh]

Thank you, glad you find it good...

[doffer]

Look great Mr. Kragh :Dkeep it rollin´

[MartinNielsen]

That's a nice pair of wings, Kragh. Actually I'm thinking about modeling some similar wings for my flying creatures. Looking forward to next WIP.

[jais]

I really like the way the anatomy of the arms and fingers fades into the wings. Very nicely done.
The head looks kinda "just blocked out" up so im looking forward to see updates on that.

[ihamid]

excllent muscle sculpture on the wings! wanna see the rest of the dragon !:cool:

[Kragh]

doffer> Thanks:D

Martin> Oh, really, better check out your thread right away!

jais> I´m glad people notice this muscle work;) Thx man... -And yeah, the head was roughly blocked out, but then I really wanted to make the wings, so I stopped on the head before the finish. I promise to get back on it soon;)

Hamid> Ofcourse you wanna see the rest of the dragon. Me too. Thx for the constant support, mate...keeps me going;)

Ok, haven´t worked on this sucker for the whole weekend, but tonight I´m back at it. I really do have a life besides modelling this fella, and hangovers doesn´t work well with creativity...

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1142370659_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1142370659_large.jpg)

Right now I enjoy the legs. I have used the human leg as reference, but not that precise. I´m not totally satisfied with the toes, but I´ll move on. All such details is better off waiting for the whole model to take shape. Who knows, these toes might look fine on the finished model;)

Crits?

[MartinNielsen]

Great modeling there. I like those legs. Especially the musculature looks good. I don't see any problems with the toes yet, but as you point out yourself, you should wait until the whole model is finished to refine them. Keep modeling...

[Kragh]

Great modeling there. I like those legs. Especially the musculature looks good. I don't see any problems with the toes yet, but as you point out yourself, you should wait until the whole model is finished to refine them. Keep modeling...

As said, I have used the human leg as reference. I think I, later in the process, will go deeper into stylizing this leg-design more. But that´ll come. Thanks for the compliment...:D

[M477]

Great legs! :p


It'll be good to see all the elements placed together, looking forward to seeing that progress :thumbsup:

[asbassie]

Blast off!!!:bounce: Your modeling and drawing skills are amazing. those wings of yours have a nice fleshy feel to it. Keep the progress coming. Would like to see your creatures in action, and maybe some 3d of the enviroment?

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1142467682_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1142467682_large.jpg)

Body in progress. Legs has been corrected, specially the toes. Yeah, I know I said I would not touch it before later in the process...but I did, alright!

Takes forever. I really have no designs for this dragon, which means I go alot back and forth in the process. But the result so far is as I want it to be...overall.

[MartinNielsen]

Looks fine overall. But the upper part above the legs looks unnatural to me. The edges are too sharp and flat.

[Kragh]

Looks fine overall. But the upper part above the legs looks unnatural to me. The edges are too sharp and flat.

I see what you mean. But it´s mainly because you think "Flesh", and I think scales. I thought about crocodiles, and their surface have some very sharp angles like this.
I think I´ll make horns and such, following this line...

Thank you;)

[Kragh]

M477> thx. The project is already much harder than first calculated. So when or where this will actualy become a dragon, that is unknown...;)

asbassie> I really try to make et soft and with alot of details under the skin. But as I don´t know or have Zbrush, I will only take it to a certain degree. The rest will be texture work...Looking forward to that, btw...;)

Next step is the arms, as I don´t want to work more on the body, until I have attached arms and wings...and neck.

[MartinNielsen]

Ahh ok, crocodile skin eh? Well, I guess some nice displacement mapping can do the trick then. :applause:

[Kragh]

Ahh ok, crocodile skin eh? Well, I guess some nice displacement mapping can do the trick then. :applause:

Yeah, really looking forward to both displace and texture this creature...There are so much creative freedom in a dragon, as noone has any rights on it...the posibillities are endless. YEAH...but man, I take my time in the modelling process...tweaking alot, and too early in the process. I mean, when the model is finished, I will still tweak the overall apearence.

[burpy]

Hi.:) You're going great so far! The musculature on the legs looks really good. I like everything else you've modeled as well so far, but I have to say I don't like the head very much. It looks like you did it quickly then moved on to other things judging by your comments - which means you'll come back to it though!

Looking forward to updates.:)

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1142906520_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1142906520_large.jpg)

Have made the front legs, minus feets. Also attached the wings on the body, which makes the dragon beginning to look like...a dragon:D

LOTS of problems in the mesh, minor stuff, but they are there. Also still a lot og work in the proportions and musculature...

But I hope you get an idea of where I heading. I really want this dragon to look like it actually has muscles to support lift off;)

And then he went to bed...

[MartinNielsen]

Yes, it begins to look like a dragon now. But I agree that it needs some more work. Especially the thigh and shoulder connection parts look like they could use some refinement.

[Kragh]

Martin> Yeah, the shoulder looks like crap at the moment, and the arm has a bump that looks like the elbow;)

Takes so damn long, this dragon, because I use an hour here and there, besides a lot of other duties...but May is still far away, so I´m pretty positive about reaching my goals. I´m just looking so much forward to the texturing part, really a big job to be done in that area...

Btw, I better add, that I have posed it in a relaxed position, the arms is not pointing downwards...as I haven´t made a creature like this before, and surely want it to be good for skinning and bones, I think, but don´t know, that this will be a good basic pose.
Also the wings is totally flat, and I look forward to posing them in a more natural position...

[MartinNielsen]

Yeah I know, time (or the lack of time) can be a problem. Fortunately I've some free time on my hand. Just finished my final university project in level design for games.

I think the basic pose is ok for skinning and texturing, and then add a more natural pose afterwards.

[Nord]

Looking really good so far. I'll be watching and making comments here and there when time allows :)

[SweD]

aaahhh come back to see a little update ! and what the update ! :bounce:
very good model !

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143080066_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143080066_large.jpg)

The head in progress.
I have also worked on the body and musculature, but still not satisfied with the "arms".

Next thing: lots of teeths!!!

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143107483_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143107483_large.jpg)

Have worked on the flow and lines of the head. There were lots of problems before, think I got rid of most of them now. The jaw is next.

[MartinNielsen]

Nice head. It actually looks like a dragon I did once.

[doffer]

The flow is a lot better

Good job :thumbsup:

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143123429_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143123429_large.jpg)

I am so NOT looking forward to unwrap this creature!!!!

[Squibbit]

cool dragon head there, dude :thumbsup:



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[MartinNielsen]

Sharp teeth there... And yeah, it's gonna be hell mapping it. I feel the same way with my models.

[Nomad]

Impressive modeling work here :eek:


I`m keeping an eye on this, good luck and have fun :thumbsup:

[Vedic-kings]

Nice dragon head:)

Keep going man:thumbsup:

[jais]

the head is looking pretty convincing.
There is something about the form of the nostrel that doesnt look right to me but nice to see nice update.

[Kragh]

Martin> Thx for the continuing support...Unwrapping:sad:

Doffer> Yeah, so glad I slept for the night....the day after it was so clear to me, what needed to be done. Thx for supporting me!

Squibbit> Long time since I have had you in a thread of mine. Mostly because I have been under moderation for 9 months, which really hasn´t been very motivating for wandering the halls of cgTalk. But now it´s over:D

Nomad> Thx, man...Yeah, you drop in from time to time. I promise to finish this challenge....almost...

Vedic-kings> Thx!:D

Jais> Yeah, I think I´m heading there...and you´re right, somethings wrong around that area. It actually worked better in yesterdays submission, but after the cleanup, I took too much refinement from that area, which has left it "wrong". I´ll look into it later...!
Thx for the support...


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Ok, there will be some days now, without working on this, mainly because my girl is in the neighbourhood. On the other hand, she has some homework to be done, so maybe I can squeeze some minutes in, here and there...We need a tongue for this bastard, that´s for sure...Hey, and a neck!!!...and a prober tail....and LOTS of horns...and fore feets......

See ya all later.

[DesignerV]

The last update is very good,the modelling is quite interesting.
I'll wait for texturing :)
Good luck to u!:bounce:

[M477]

Ace Dragon! He's alive!! :twisted:

Texturing.. Yeah good luck on that one. :p Just a suggestion on the teeth if I may.. I was looking at some images of dinos and noticed that their teeth are not necessarily set in a line like most other animals/reptiles.. So if you did fancy delaying texturing for some more modelling, then I would say move some of the teeth around a bit and think how they might lock into the opposing jaw, you could have some indents in the top jaw where the larger canines would rest etc.. Just a thought :D

Great work though, the musculature and wings are superb :buttrock:

[Nord]

Really great dragon head. The shapes have a very nice flow! Looking forward to seeing more.

[aghill]

Hey Henrik - been a while=)

Just stumpled on your challenge thread here, and its looking good! Ill look forward to your progress on the dragon. Hope youll do a killer texture on it=)

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143492189_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143492189_large.jpg)

Hi again ya´ll
(yeah, I may be danish, but I sure know how to be trendy when I write american....right)

So, this is what I´ve got for an update... I have made a neck/tail piece, and have unwrapped it. Here I show 4 pieces stiched together...
I started out by just modelling the nech, but after a while I began to realize what the fuck I was doing...and that I never would be finished doing that...and IF i DID finish, I would have to unwrap it also...
So this was the solution. I hope I´ll be able to do it this way, with a prober result...we´ll see;)

Also worked on the head, added some more horns, played dentist for a day etc...you know how it is;)

Shoot me(with crits/comments, thank you...;))

[JurajMolcak]

This looks like pretty STRONG detail! This is just crazy. Will look superb for sure. Keep up good work :thumbsup: gonna watch this thread.

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143497206_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143497206_large.jpg)

I just tried to put the scales on the model, without welding anything...just around the existing geometry. Doesn´t look that great, but should give one an idea of my goal for the neck...The tail looks too thin now, but it will also have this "scale coating"....;)

That´s all for today, goodnight everybody

[arte-i45]

Hi there Henrik, your dragon looks awesome! Why wait until May? For all that you've put into it have a:beer:!

Matt :)

[MartinNielsen]

You almost have a dragon now. :) Looks great. But I hope you find a good solution for the neck.

[Stefan-Morrell]

I like those scales on the neck..he looks very heavy,
& a good technique for making them too.
the arms & legs look a bit out of proprtion though

keep going :thumbsup:

[Kragh]

Oweron> Thanks...;) What can I say, I always end up in working on details, and lots of them....both a good and bad habit.

mmbenya> Yeah....that´s a deal!!! :beer:

martin> I believe this solution will actually work...But it will include a lot of welding work, as I´ll have to make it part of the existing mesh....There are a neck underneath the scales, and that will be removed...

Stefan-Morrell> Yeah, everything has become a little too tiny for those scales...but that´s because I had to scale up the scales to have to cover the existing neck...It is just to test how it will look, aprox.
Thanks for the support...

[centavrus]

great modeling -its interesting to see texturing!

[se7enthcin]

Interesting setup. I like what you have done with your modeling. I do think texturing is going to be interesting for you. Good luck and I hope to see more from you. :)

[doffer]

Hey Henrik.

Great update.
The dragon is really cool...

Good job :)

[Versiden]

hiya, I think the body is a bit too small and the dragon seems very top heavy. Try for bit more bulk in the stomach/legs/arms.

I also had a scale problem with an existing dragon model, but never could work out how to do scales (maybe now with zbrush). Goodluck!

[Tigrenka]

Nice modeling of dragon! It'll be looking great with texture!

[jais]

I like the level of detail.
As it is now the neck looks a litlle too long but on the other hand I think that it should be shorter because you can create quite a dynamic pose with it.
But nice stuff.
Keep it up mate.

[Kragh]

centavrus> Yeah, the texture will make the difference...;)

se7enthcin> Interesting, indeed....except for the unwrapping part. Just glad I have already unwrapped the scales...

doffer> Thanks, mate...:D

Versiden> As said, these scales is just smashed upon the existing model, which already had a neck...therefore I had to scale it up a bit, which has destroyed the proportions...But thanks for poiting it out, I´ll sure watch out...

Tigrenka> Yeah, I hope so... Thx.

jais> a little too long, you say...hmmm...maybe, I´ll take it into consideration...:D But as I said to versiden, this might help, when I attach the scales for real, and remove the underneath mesh...
Thx!

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143579386_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1143579386_large.jpg)

Still working on putting scales on him...
Some proportions I´ll have to look at, but overall I´m on the right track.

[MartinNielsen]

You're getting there... Not much to say though, but keep going. :wip:

[Nord]

Looking better and better. Can't wait to see how those nicely detailed scales look when the dragon is in some sort of pose.

[Kragh]

martin> I will, specially with all this support.

Nord> Pose...man, would I like to pose it now...but it would just be a complete waste of time right now. But yeah, I would also myself like to see him/her pose.

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Tonight I have worked more on making the scales an actual part of the mesh, and it looks pretty good. I have also scaled up the legs alot, as they really had become too small for this heavy weighted creature. Looks better now.

And then I have searched for pictures/textures...Elephants, Rhinos, Lizards, Snakes, Crocodiles. Just to have a lot of stuff to choose from. I think the elephant wrincles will be a great breaker for all these scales. But it will be lots of tries, not sure where I´m heading.
And then I found 20 pictures of something I don´t have a clue what is.
I know this: They cost(the items on the pics) 25$ a piece, and they will make GREEEEEAT scales on the top of the neck...

Again there will be some days now where I can´t work on it, as I have my daughter, and my girlfriend will also join in...and then dragon making becomes highly non-interesting...

See ya all with an update in the start of next week. Maybe before, if I find some hours here and there...

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1144450171_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1144450171_large.jpg)

I have had too much to do, to work on this creature for over a week. Maybe it was good, cause I saw a lot of "wrongs".
Worked on proportions a lot, scaled up the wings, legs and head. Have made a "hand" for him. Still some problems with the "arm", but I´m aware of them;).

Remember, this is NOT an actual pose, but it´s the most relaxed position I could come up with for later "boning" and skinning...

well, this is MUCH harder to put into my existing schedule, than I had dreamed of. But I still think I can finish in time.

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1144624748_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1144624748_large.jpg)

The tail scales are now attaced, and more details has been added to the arm and legs. Horns on the torso also.
This is simply the most detailed model I have ever created, and I´m actually pretty satisfied so far. But I´m also really looking forward to the texturing part now. So what is still missing on this? The head has to be attached on the body, and the scales has to continue on the bag to get the neck and tail connected by scales. And then I need to work a little on the fingers inside the wing, especially the tips which aren´t even closed.
So lots to do still;)
But I´m getting there, that´s for sure...

[centurionit]

WOW...your dragon is brilliant...I like it too much...And is not skinned yet...It will be a great work I'm sure....Good luck!!!

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=330707

[Kragh]

centurionit> Thx a lot!!!:D

[asbassie]

Amazing work, that must've taken forever. Nicely excecuted.

[Kragh]

asbassie> Thanks, man...nope, not forever at all. But a lot longer than I planned on...;)

[MartinNielsen]

Good work on the dragon. It came out quite nicely. :thumbsup:

[Kragh]

Martin> Hehe, you sound like I´m done here...I wish I were. Thx for continuing support...looking forward to the next showing of your sexy female;)

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Tonight I have closed the tail tip...yeah, I know, it sounds lame to even mention that kind of work.
But watch all those scales, and find a good and clean way of ending such mesh in a tail tip?!?!?!?;)

So it was actually an effort worthy, and it became rather good. Also I have made the scales on the back, and created more horns on the legs.
Actually I only miss one thing now...attaching the head...

After that I will use the rest of my life unwrapping him, but that´s another story...next wip will be of a finished, untextured model, stay tuned...:D

[MartinNielsen]

Actually I was just referring to those scales. They caused you some trouble, I remember. But I really think it came out just fine. :)

And there is a small update on that sexy female... :love:

[Gunilla]

Really nice dragon you got going here, great work - looking forward to see it textured :thumbsup:

[Kragh]

martin> Oh, ok...yeah, after stiching a hell of a lot, and trying to melt scales together, into a form that makes sense, I´m actually pretty satisfied myself. The only thing I´m not sure of, is how stupid this action has been. I mean, I could have done most of what I present here, in the texture...
But it really presents it self better without texture, that´s for sure;)

Gunilla> Thx, glad you like him;)....and the texture really should make the difference. Hope I´m skilled enough to make a descent result...we´ll see...

[MartinNielsen]

I know exactly what you mean. I tend do most of the work with modeling myself. I just love those polygons... :love:

With texture and pose, that dragon will be a hit.

[stefgrafx]

your model isvery impressive... :eek: :applause: :applause:

[FlaminGlow]

Hi Friend, simply impressive job man.:thumbsup:

[Nomad]

Hi,

IMHO the scales need to be a little disturbed by some jitter noiz to not look so uniform. :curious:

Anyway I wish I can model like that one day :D



Great work so far :thumbsup:

[Silgrin]

A very nice and detailed char. I really like the way you added details to that dragon. I love models which are complex before they are textured:)

..Maybe it`s because i`m still better @ modeling that texturing :D

[Kragh]

Martin> I actually don´t like to detail this much...or...well, I think it´s more of a thing I just can´t stop doing, ones I start... I really have to dig in to ZB very soon...
Thx again:D

stefgrafx> Thanks mate, the impressive thing is my stupidness when it comes to butt ****ing the details.

FlaminGlow> Read above...;)

Nomad> Yeah, you are very right. And I will do it...:D Thanks

Silgrin> Me too:D Or, actuall the past half a year, I have improved a lot on texturing because I have worked on a big animation movie for a firm, and now I work for the gaming industry. So I am actually pretty good now;) Just have to get used to the idea of me being able to actually make a descent texture;)

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Ok, there will be an update later tonight of the finished model, I believe. I have already attached the head, and have made some more details on the legs. And when my daughter sleeps in aprox 2 h., I will finish the wings and do an overall touch up. There are lots of stuff to improve, but I really think I can do the rest in the texture...

6-7 h., I will upload the finished model...:D (NO TEXTURE, just model;))

[arte-i45]

Hey Henrik the the dragon is really looking good from this side of the monitor. You should be proud, you've done an exceptional job on the modeling! :buttrock:

Matt :)

[Womgoose]

Wow totally stunning work on the Dragon, however... I don't envy you when it comes to unwrapping that :argh:
Lots of detailto texture, so I have no doubt that it will look amazing. I can't wait.

[Kragh]

Matt> Thanks a LOT!! I´m trying to rig him at the moment....AAAAAAAAAARGH
I have never done a real rig before, and I think he deserves it...I have been very frustraited by one constraint type, untill I found the solution yesterday. So I just can´t wait until I´m free from work and can continue with my new knowledge:D

Womgoose> Yeah...the unwrapping part. As said before the scales has been unwrapped, so the worst part has been done early in the process...;) And I sure hope all the model details will add to the texture, and not just make a total chaos out of the overall apearence...

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My girlfriend is coming today, and she will take a digital camera with her. That´s right, I have no camera:( And then it´s time to take pictures of textures out there, in the real world. I just can´t find all I need with google. Looking forward to that part(the part where my girlfriend is coming, ofcourse;))

And as said above, the rigging process is going in the right direction. I have used several DAYS on making things, and the deleting it all again because I got more knowledge...at present, the tail, neck, body and backfeet has been rigged, and in a pretty complex way, constraint wise.
The wings are going to be crazy. The skin has to fold when the wing is not streched out. And I´m not sure how I will do that...I do have some solutions though, just not sure which will be best, if any...

I´m just not a character animator, and have NO knowledge in this stuff. Exiting!!

I´ll be back with an update some day. I have stopped planning anything, as I´m really too much out on unknown waters, to really know what is coming. MY journey has bagun....right;)

[burpy]

Your dragon looks awesome!:) Really great level of detail you've put into it. Can't wait to see it textured and posed. Good luck with the mapping and rigging.:scream:

[arte-i45]

Matt> Thanks a LOT!! I´m trying to rig him at the moment....AAAAAAAAAARGH
I have never done a real rig before, and I think he deserves it...I have been very frustraited by one constraint type, untill I found the solution yesterday. So I just can´t wait until I´m free from work and can continue with my new knowledge:D


Excellent, I'm looking forward to to seeing some wicked poses! :twisted: You probably have these links but if you're looking for some textures/reference these aren't bad places to look:
http://www.mayang.com/textures/index.htm
http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml
http://morguefile.com/archive/
http://www.imageafter.com/index.php

Matt :)

[Kragh]

Burpy> Thx, Mate...seems we are actually on the same track, history wise;)

Matt> Thanks a lot for those links. I did know about Mayang, but the others are great...Never been on those sites before.

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To rig this bastard is a lot more challenging than I would have ever dreamed of...Seriously.
But I´m still working on it from time to time, whenever I find some hours.
I was out with my girlfriend(and her cam), taking pictures of ground and trees. Lots of tees, actually...So now I have what I need for that part. The only thing I miss is rock(not the music genre...or...well, ALSO the music genre), which isn´t easy to come by in a land on a foundatuion of limestone;) We DO have ONE island based on rock/cliff, but it´s out in the middle of the ocean(as most islands), and I really haven´t got the time to do that kind of a trip. So I guess google is the answer again....;)

See ya

[doffer]

Hey Mr. Kragh.
Glad to se updates. I almost thought you were running dead on the project :shrug:

I really understand how it must be, and my thoughts are with you man :)

Looking foreward to see some updates soon.

[MartinNielsen]

Good to hear you're still alive, man.

And I'm in need of rock as well - in both ways... :buttrock:

[Kragh]

Yeah, I´m alive, thanks for the concerns;)

Decided to unwrap for a while, and found out that some of the scales, where the have been attached to the rest of the mesh, has melted its uvw with the mesh also. Not a big issue, I´ll solve it. But it means that those sections can´t be selected by the + sign itself, which is a pain. But the uvw are still correct though....

The head is half way done in unwrapping. Why do I always underestimate a given task....this is just a crazy model. Should have stuck to the birds as in my original concept...;)

NAAAAH...

[M477]

That dragon is just looking better and better! Loving the scales, reminds me of a spiny fence lizard I had for a pet when I was young - only massive! :p

[Kragh]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1145742026_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/10490/10490_1145742026_large.jpg)

I just love to unwrap. If it hadn´t been for that part of 3D, I just don´t think I would do 3D at all.
BLEH

Ok, got sick and tired of rigging, so I decided to start unwrap. When I modeled the head I did not give a damn about that. Which meant that every single horn was fucked up, when we talk about UVWs. But now it´s done. Only the teeth is missing, but I´ll use a different unwrapping technique on those, which mean I can do them very fast. But that´s only because I only need details at the root of them.

I think, before I go to sleep, I´ll begin on the texture for the head...yeah

[CryingHorn]

Yeah unwrap is one of those things which requires messing, but it's fun within too, great work so far, keep it up

[oceanbluesky]

Hey Henrik, glad to hear you are back -- that's a great unwrap too...also one of my least favorite things to do. Looking forward to seeing more -- would be interesting to see what you come up with if this model were taken through ZBrush, as you said you were considering. Could be cool -- Highend3D posted a new set of alpha brushes for download, a few are made especially for reptiles.

Good luck!

[medunecer]

Hi Henrik! I like the model very much and I'd like to see your texturing process, which seems to be very interesting and useful to me. Thanks! And good luck!

[MartinNielsen]

Good work on the unwrap. It looks pretty clear without critical stretching.

[Kragh]

CryingHorn> Thanks...:D

oceanbluesky> Right now I would love to be able to put it through zbrush...but nope, can´t do this time. Maybe after the contest is over. Also think I´ll rework the head some day, just got some ideas today, after seing another model at work.

medunecer> Great you can get inspireded by this way of unwrapping. Think it´s pretty ordinary, actually, but it works.

martin> Yeah, there are some areas, but none of them has made any problems yet. I am working on the texture at the moment(well, not now, at work;)), and it seems fine. I just got a new addition to my libary for this creature....turtles. Tortoise. Land turtles...giant creatures with great scales on the shell. I was talking to my girlfriend and complaining about not being able to find big, solid scales in high resolution. Then she asked if I had looked for turtles....bleh....They were exactly what I missed:D
great to have a girl who can contribute to my work!!! (yeah, she follows this thread as well;))

[MartinNielsen]

Good to hear. I'm looking for good lizard skins for my own creature myself. Right now I'm having the time of my life with the unwrapping.

[Kragh]

Yeah, you sure have some works to unwrap in your thread;) I hope it doesn´t kill your motivation to do all that unwrapping. I know that it´s that part I hate the most. It simply destroys the joy of doing 3D...

I haven´t worked on the dragon for some days, has done other works(2D concepts) but right now I´m sick Hope to feel better soon. I promise to have an update on the texture work soon.

[aghill]

Hey Henrik, nice chess-texture there:thumbsup::)

UV's really just needs to be done.. its so trivial, but hey! A good uv-set is time saved in texture, so its all about prioritizing (however that's spelled).

The dragon is really nice, and its going to get even nicer with the texture (and you know you have to do a nice translusency effect in them wing'ies:)). So far its great.. really nice!

keep it up!

[MartinNielsen]

Well, I'm not 'dead' yet. But it is very hard work. I've almost unwrapped the lizard now, so one down...

Hope you're feeling better :)

[splotch]

this really complecated creature .. i like the way you are modeling

wish you the same intexturing ....watching your brogress
best luck...keep it up mate
tc

[doffer]

No no no, unwrapping is fun :rolleyes:

Looks like you unwrapped it great though.
Looking foreward to see some textures from you.

God bedring :)

[MartinNielsen]

Sorry to hear you're backing out, Kragh. You definitely have the skills to create a nice piece. I hope you at least will continue support my own entry the last few days.

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