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RobertoOrtiz
03-04-2006, 06:37 AM
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"Pixar and DreamWorks Animation dominate the market for animated films using computer generated images. But several other major media firms are hoping to make a crack in this lucrative area.
The theatrical release calendar is littered with CGI films this year. The Weinstein Co., the independent film studio founded by Bob and Harvey Weinstein after they left Miramax, have already released two CGI films: "Hoodwinked" and "Doogal."

"Doogal," which came out last week, has been a commercial and critical flop but "Hoodwinked," a Rashomon-esque take on the tale of Red Riding Hood, has been a surprise hit. "Hoodwinked" has grossed more than $50 million since being released in January, according to movie industry tracking firm Box Office Mojo.

Later this month, News Corp (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=NWS) (Research (http://cnnfn.investor.reuters.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=NWS)).-owned Fox will be releasing "Ice Age 2: The Meltdown." The first "Ice Age," released in 2002, grossed $176 million. Fox is also the distributor for a CGI movie called "Yankee Irving" this summer.

Sony (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE) (Research (http://cnnfn.investor.reuters.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=SNE)) has two CGI films on tap for later this year: "Monster House" and "Open Season." Time Warner's (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=TWX) (Research (http://cnnfn.investor.reuters.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=TWX)) Warner Brothers studio also has two CGI movies due out this year: "The Ant Bully" and "Happy Feet." (Time Warner also owns CNNMoney.com.) And finally, Viacom's (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=VIAB) (Research (http://cnnfn.investor.reuters.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=VIAB)) Paramount is releasing "Barnyard" in October.

But are people interested in seeing this many animated films? After all, the industry's two pioneers also have movies coming out. Pixar (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=PIXR) (Research (http://cnnfn.investor.reuters.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=PIXR)), which is being acquired by Walt Disney (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=DIS) (Research (http://cnnfn.investor.reuters.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=DIS)), has yet to have a movie that's flopped and hopes are extremely high for this summer's "Cars."

And DreamWorks (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=DWA) (Research (http://cnnfn.investor.reuters.com/Reports.aspx?ticker=DWA)), which has had hits with its two "Shrek" movies and last year's "Madagascar" is releasing "Over the Hedge" in May and has "Flushed Away" tentatively scheduled for the fall.

"Some of these movies could be in trouble. I suspect that a bunch will fall by the wayside. There is not enough demand," said Dennis McAlpine, an independent media analyst."

http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/03/news/companies/cartoons/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

-R

Cyborgguineapig
03-04-2006, 07:05 AM
I'm a little confused over the possibility of there being too much saturationr CGI films... I mean, if this industry continues to expand as it is, how much can it grow before it becomes simply stunted growth since people will not be able to see all of the films that are coming out anyways? There are hundreds of studios out there in their infancy hoping produce the next pixar film or become the new Dreamworks...But really is it realistic. We could have 10 awsome CGI films in a year yet the average movie goer will probably only see 2 or 3 of them in a given year. So the point of more CGI films would be?.. I'm not bashing our industry, just simply stating my concern . If we are already on the verge of CGi feature wars, how long will that last?

A. Wright
03-04-2006, 07:10 AM
When I first saw the title I thought sweet! a CG war movie coming out! A Warhammer 3D movie would be so cool.

Anyway, the ones w/ cool stories will succeed, the ones that don't will flop. They will saturate the theaters until enough start flopping that the greedy hollywood producer types give up and go back to making crappy live action movies.

tufif
03-04-2006, 07:00 PM
I think so far the movies have done well because they simply look cool. Once there are this many of them and they all have the exact same happy feel good family friendly talking animal style to them people will get tired of it and we'll see ticket sales start to fall for all but the proven top studios. Then studios will either stop greenlighting so many of them, or else finally start putting out cgi animated films in other genres.

NC3D
03-04-2006, 10:47 PM
I dont know how much of a contender Doogal will be. Doogal has reached the level of 6% fresh at rottentomatoes. Heck, that American Idol movie, From Justin to Kelly, (which is supposed to be the one of the worst movies ever) received an 8% fresh rating. I have heard the only reason to go see Doogal is to watch the opening short film Gopher Broke, which was done by Blur Studious.

NC3D
03-04-2006, 10:50 PM
Gopher Broke, is awesome by the way it would have a very high fresh rating, so it is atleast worth while knowing some portion of your money went towards Blur Studious.

danimat0r
03-05-2006, 11:26 PM
"Some of these movies could be in trouble. I suspect that a bunch will fall by the wayside. There is not enough demand," said Dennis McAlpine, an independent media analyst."



This would be interesting if not for the watchacallit... lack of proof. :rolleyes:


I welcome the coming war wholeheartedly. It'll mean more and better films, and cynically constructed, visibly lower-quality, bargain-basement stuff meant to cash in quick like Hoodwinked will be crushed underfoot. The good stuff usually finds an audience. This is good news.

jewalker
03-06-2006, 10:30 PM
They forgot to mention Disney releasing "Meet the Robinsons" this winter.

Studios see CG films as an easy way to have a hit and make money, mostly because there hasen't been many CG flops. They'll find that there is a reason that the CG films have been hits, and it isn't because the movies are CG. It takes a talented director with an interesting story along with the crew and technology to match the director's vision. Hand over the reins of any movie to a mediocre director and you'll get a bomb every time.

paul.yan
03-06-2006, 11:55 PM
I believe the CGI "wars" will encourage studios to distinguish themselves from the rest of the family-fare pack, branching out with different genres and different target audiences. There is a danger that CG Feature films will forever be "cartoons," but at the same time there is a possibility that a film being "CG" will be just as relevant as whether a director chooses to shoot a picture in film or DV. Keep your fingers crossed! :thumbsup:

neuromancer1978
03-07-2006, 12:26 AM
We are truly at a revolutionary time in terms of CGI movies. 10 years ago, after Toy Story came out, the idea of doing pure CGI animated features was limited to a few studios. Now as the prices of computers drop like rocks, and the speed and power skyrockets, then factor in cheaper 3D software as well as open source.... even a small studio could produce a CGI feature.

I do not think of it as an over-saturation, just another means to an end. In comparison, live action dwarfs CGI. It comes down to the story, Pixar had great tech that is a given, but if any one of the stories didn't sell the audience then the whole effort was wasted. Shrek is another example of an awesome story.
Now as more and more studios pump out CGI features, it will no longer be viewed as a marvel of our greatness. We have lost our innocence to CGI, now we want substance. Those without it will flop to death.

But on the other hand it is nice to see animated features again that aren't made or distributed by Big Brother (aka Disney). Don't get me wrong I respect Disney, and without it, who knows where animation would be right now. Disney was the pivot of animation, we are only following in those footsteps. But again, think back before CGI was so big.... animated features were few and far between. And most of them were Disney made, or distributed by Disney. There were the few that were not, and they too are on the list of great animated features.

I am rambling. hehe... this is what happens when you stay up till 4:30 AM. :surprised

mangolass
03-07-2006, 01:00 AM
think back before CGI was so big.... animated features were few and far between. And most of them were Disney made, or distributed by Disney. There were the few that were not, and they too are on the list of great animated features.

Which do you consider the great animated features, not from Disney, back then?

neuromancer1978
03-07-2006, 01:42 AM
Oh like All Dogs Go To Heaven, The Secret of Nihm (can't remember if that is spelled right), Who Framed Rodger Rabbit? (was this done by Disney? Not sure but even as a Live action/Animated film it was cool)... I think there was a couple more I saw but it's been forever and in my ripe old age of 27 I can't remember right now. Mind you I was a kid in the 80's and early 90's so to me these movies were awesome, but on the grand scale of greatness to the rest of the world I am not sure how they panned out. Of course I could be very wrong in my assumtion that in between 1970-1990 there were really great animated features. As far as I know The Little Mermaid was the comeback for Disney at the time and that was 1989. Not sure if it qualifies as a "great animated feature" and it really isn't on my list of favorites, but who knows...

albedo4800hp
03-07-2006, 08:48 PM
Well if it would be me (but luckily it is not) I would say Pixar has its first flop in his hands. I never was less interested in a Pixar movie than with Cars. This movie really does not give me anything and it is really the first Pixar movie I am not looking forward to see. Even technology-wise I think it is a step back from the last two Pixars

neuromancer1978
03-07-2006, 10:11 PM
Well if it would be me (but luckily it is not) I would say Pixar has its first flop in his hands. I never was less interested in a Pixar movie than with Cars. This movie really does not give me anything and it is really the first Pixar movie I am not looking forward to see. Even technology-wise I think it is a step back from the last two Pixars

Yeah well we'll see. I am going to see it the day it comes out, mostly because it happens to fall on my birthday :D.

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