Lukashi
12-14-2002, 06:07 PM
anyways here she is, ibe been workng on her for a while, still alot of tweaking that is needed to be done, the real challenge is going to be texturing, posing, and lighting anyways please leave some feedback :)
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Haaibo
12-14-2002, 06:21 PM
dont u think her waist is a bit manly
multifrog
12-14-2002, 09:48 PM
her head is too small.
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 12:41 AM
mmm u still think so? i guess i shrink her body some more...anyways i did a bit of tweaking
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 12:44 AM
She's missing some hips.
The upper part of the stomach, near the navel, should have two bone protrusions on the sides from the pelvis (you can feel them on yourself if you like). These protrusions help form the waist line, which in her case is too low.
The upper part of the stomach, near the navel, should have two bone protrusions on the sides from the pelvis (you can feel them on yourself if you like). These protrusions help form the waist line, which in her case is too low.
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 01:46 AM
thx for the great input Commiekeebler! Ill look at an anatomy book, and see what ur talking about anyways here is a small update, now she is no longer blind!
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 01:55 AM
One other thing, her face is very masculine.
You could reduce the effect by softening it up... I'm not sure whether the forehead is ok or not based on the angle (guys tend to have more pronounced brow ridge, girls do not). Girls tend to have rounder faces, because they have more fatty tissue around the chin. Even rail-thin girls have those chins, and I daresay, it doesn't make them unattractive in the least.
You could reduce the effect by softening it up... I'm not sure whether the forehead is ok or not based on the angle (guys tend to have more pronounced brow ridge, girls do not). Girls tend to have rounder faces, because they have more fatty tissue around the chin. Even rail-thin girls have those chins, and I daresay, it doesn't make them unattractive in the least.
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 02:00 AM
i dont quite understand your face tips commie, could you please explain them more clearly
wgreenlee1
12-15-2002, 02:04 AM
I dont think there that much wrong with it but I do think the shoulders need to come down a little more.
I think thats what is causeing her to look manly...
Beautiful modeling though!
Keep us updated!
I think thats what is causeing her to look manly...
Beautiful modeling though!
Keep us updated!
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 02:07 AM
Male faces tend to have rougher, bolder features: bigger noses, sharper jaw lines, thicker and more protruding brow ridges.
Female faces tend to have smaller and softer features: smaller noses, rounder jaw lines, less protruding brows.
It has to do with fat deposits on the face, as well as the underlying skeletal structure.
In terms of GROSS GENERALIZATIONS, guys are bony and girls are fatty.
This doesn't apply to all girls or all guys, of course. But the stereotype is what makes us think whether a particular face is a male or a female.
Female faces tend to have smaller and softer features: smaller noses, rounder jaw lines, less protruding brows.
It has to do with fat deposits on the face, as well as the underlying skeletal structure.
In terms of GROSS GENERALIZATIONS, guys are bony and girls are fatty.
This doesn't apply to all girls or all guys, of course. But the stereotype is what makes us think whether a particular face is a male or a female.
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 02:11 AM
i rounded it a wee bit and lowered the shoulders,
when i say rounded i mean i pushed the cheek bone back a bit, do u think this is good or should i do it more in your opinion?
when i say rounded i mean i pushed the cheek bone back a bit, do u think this is good or should i do it more in your opinion?
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 02:13 AM
And yes, her head is too small. It's okay if you want to do a tall skandinavian superhero person, but for an average woman, that head is too small.
The size of the head is subconsciously used to measure the person's height, so someone with a small head 'seems' tall without any other reference. A person with a big head, seems small, like a child. As we grow, our bodies grow faster than our heads. So, your girl here looks too tall. She's probably 8-9 heads tall, as opposed to 6 to 7.5 that may be more 'down to earth' standard.
If you look at a good anatomy resource, check for those proportions. Here's a link, you can find some reference images there.
http://www.fineart.sk/
Hope this helps.
The size of the head is subconsciously used to measure the person's height, so someone with a small head 'seems' tall without any other reference. A person with a big head, seems small, like a child. As we grow, our bodies grow faster than our heads. So, your girl here looks too tall. She's probably 8-9 heads tall, as opposed to 6 to 7.5 that may be more 'down to earth' standard.
If you look at a good anatomy resource, check for those proportions. Here's a link, you can find some reference images there.
http://www.fineart.sk/
Hope this helps.
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 02:15 AM
I would make the cheeks a bit puffier, but she seems to be ok at the moment. Can't really tell without seeing the profile.
psilipsycho
12-15-2002, 02:18 AM
she looks very nice from the waist up. try to add some of those sexy curves in the legs, they appear somewhat chunky and shapeless.
keep it up
keep it up
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 02:26 AM
Thanks for all the input!:bounce:
CommieKeebler: I am going for a tall look, not super tall but tall,
here is the side view you requested...
Psilipsycho: Yes the legs need alot of redefinition, ill get to it
CommieKeebler: I am going for a tall look, not super tall but tall,
here is the side view you requested...
Psilipsycho: Yes the legs need alot of redefinition, ill get to it
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 02:34 AM
Yes, anatomy references will help you get more definition into her body, in some places optional, in some places crucial. Her collarbone, elbows, wrists, thighs, etc could use some refinement.
Now, from the side I can see that her chin is very masculine - it is very pronounced. A girl could conceivably have one like that, but it wouldn't be a likely occurence. I'd move that chin back a little.
Her forehead needs work... it too, needs receding back, at least on the sides, near the temples. It forms two bulges of sorts above her brows, which makes her forehead very heavy. This isn't likely for a woman.
If you look at her from the top down, your forehead would look rectangular, like a box. Try to make it a cylinder instead.
It's very important to get the eyebrow ridge right.
Now, from the side I can see that her chin is very masculine - it is very pronounced. A girl could conceivably have one like that, but it wouldn't be a likely occurence. I'd move that chin back a little.
Her forehead needs work... it too, needs receding back, at least on the sides, near the temples. It forms two bulges of sorts above her brows, which makes her forehead very heavy. This isn't likely for a woman.
If you look at her from the top down, your forehead would look rectangular, like a box. Try to make it a cylinder instead.
It's very important to get the eyebrow ridge right.
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 02:36 AM
yah u are definetly right, great input ! Ill try to fix that very soon, hopefully she'll be looking like a cute girl in no time :beer:
Right now im focusing more on the face, ill fix the body details later
Right now im focusing more on the face, ill fix the body details later
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 05:56 AM
Ok i pulled the chin back a bit and messed around with the brow...
NightFox
12-15-2002, 09:56 AM
Just the size of the head compared to the upper body is bothering me a little. She looks like her head is about 2/3 the size it's supposed to be.
The back of the head needs to be pushed in more to make the head not bulge out soo much and too far down. Look at a skull from the side as reference. The skin should be displaced out a little bit before it is smoothed down towards the neck and shoulders.
The forehead has a little bit of Cro-magnon human developing. Then finally, her hips look like they round out too much. Smooth them down a bit as her hips ease into the size of her thighs.
For an interesting reference you should check out [http=http://www.comet-cartoons.com/toons/3dhelp.cfm#tutorials]Michael Comet's site[/html] for a good reference for poly modelling a body. Should help out with your shape and figure of your lady.
Other than what I've pointed out, the face looks better.. the breasts are perfect as they are and the abs look very close to being realism.
Keep up the good work!
The back of the head needs to be pushed in more to make the head not bulge out soo much and too far down. Look at a skull from the side as reference. The skin should be displaced out a little bit before it is smoothed down towards the neck and shoulders.
The forehead has a little bit of Cro-magnon human developing. Then finally, her hips look like they round out too much. Smooth them down a bit as her hips ease into the size of her thighs.
For an interesting reference you should check out [http=http://www.comet-cartoons.com/toons/3dhelp.cfm#tutorials]Michael Comet's site[/html] for a good reference for poly modelling a body. Should help out with your shape and figure of your lady.
Other than what I've pointed out, the face looks better.. the breasts are perfect as they are and the abs look very close to being realism.
Keep up the good work!
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 06:00 PM
Nightfox-When you said "The forehead has a little bit of Cro-magnon human developing."
Is this in the brows or what? Im not sure what u mean...
Anyways i changed the size of the head...not sure if i like it...
Is this in the brows or what? Im not sure what u mean...
Anyways i changed the size of the head...not sure if i like it...
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 08:21 PM
You need to recede the forehead more. Look at your own avatar picture! :) See, it shoots straight up (even though the angle is different). Now look at the picture of the girl. She has two big bulges on the sides of the forehead, where you would put horns if she was a demon. Those bulges need to disappear, because she looks too top-heavy. Well, her head at least. :)
NightFox
12-15-2002, 08:32 PM
Well, yes I was referring to the brows. try pushing them up a little from the eyes. Stalhberg's close up the "popstar" image on his site shows a good example there. Popstar link (http://www.androidblues.com/popstar.jpg)
And the size of the head, is the size of the body 6 to 8 heads tall? If you stacked 6 to 8 heads of your character, would it be as tall as your character? That's what I remember from Digital Character animation and www.fineart.sk (http://www.fineart.sk/body.htm). For some reason that measurement makes up a realistic looking character. The Fineart link will take you to the Body section of the site.
Anyways, just adding my 2 cents.
Keep on working! I know I will
And the size of the head, is the size of the body 6 to 8 heads tall? If you stacked 6 to 8 heads of your character, would it be as tall as your character? That's what I remember from Digital Character animation and www.fineart.sk (http://www.fineart.sk/body.htm). For some reason that measurement makes up a realistic looking character. The Fineart link will take you to the Body section of the site.
Anyways, just adding my 2 cents.
Keep on working! I know I will
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 08:45 PM
here, a picture worth thousand words.
hopefully it'll help ya.
hopefully it'll help ya.
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 09:12 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: THANKS Commiekeebler! Its alot clearer what your trying to say ill fix it up as soon as possible :)
:beer: Id like to see you on the cgtalk mirc channel
:beer: Id like to see you on the cgtalk mirc channel
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 09:16 PM
Actually one thing i dont understand whats the up sign and next to enlarge head? Whats that whole thing mean enlarge up to that point?
Commiekeebler
12-15-2002, 09:17 PM
There's a mirc channel? Where? what's the host:port, etc?
Lukashi
12-15-2002, 09:18 PM
Its like a chat channel with lots of 3d artists from cgtalk :)
Here is the thread itll be easy to figure out
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24983
Here is the thread itll be easy to figure out
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24983
Irie
12-15-2002, 09:54 PM
lookin good!
my main crits are the waist and the clavicles... (those horizontal bones at the base of the neck, they are a bit too pronounced... as they near the shoulder, they should recede so that it sorta slopes down under the skinline, leaving no extreme protrusions.
other than that, keep up the good work!
matt
my main crits are the waist and the clavicles... (those horizontal bones at the base of the neck, they are a bit too pronounced... as they near the shoulder, they should recede so that it sorta slopes down under the skinline, leaving no extreme protrusions.
other than that, keep up the good work!
matt
h4d35
12-16-2002, 04:14 AM
the big lebowski rules...
i AM the dude :)
sittin in my mornincoat, slippers... only the glass of white-russian missing :)
good work btw! :)
possibly some more work in the collarbone area... :) (i keep whinin on everyones collarbones... why o why? :))
i AM the dude :)
sittin in my mornincoat, slippers... only the glass of white-russian missing :)
good work btw! :)
possibly some more work in the collarbone area... :) (i keep whinin on everyones collarbones... why o why? :))
Lukashi
12-16-2002, 07:29 PM
ok heres another update chin change cheeks and brows not yet...still have to contemplate :wip:
lots of miscelanous body updates also
lots of miscelanous body updates also
sanhueza
12-16-2002, 07:35 PM
I think it's looking great so far. The main critique I would give would be that her collar bones need to curve/angle downward instead of go straight across. Right now it just doesn't look right. I'm sure that looking at reference anatomy will show what I'm talking about.
Oh, and I liked her better with the clear eyes, looked more original... :)
- Me
www.sanhueza.com
Oh, and I liked her better with the clear eyes, looked more original... :)
- Me
www.sanhueza.com
Lukashi
12-16-2002, 07:35 PM
the silver ones? hehe they creeped me out after a while!
Lukashi
12-16-2002, 07:44 PM
Hey lol, sanhueza, your also from boston! :beer:
Lukashi
12-16-2002, 08:06 PM
collarbone update, dont wanna kill cgtalk bandwidth :) so heres a link
http://www.geocities.com/lukashi/lalali.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/lukashi/lalali.jpg
Lukashi
12-16-2002, 10:53 PM
ok final version of head unless i hear complaints ;)
Lukashi
12-17-2002, 08:57 PM
UPDATERROOOOOO
h4d35
12-17-2002, 09:04 PM
looks damn good! give her my phone number!
its 0703xxxxx3 :)
hum... maybe the arms... look a bit strapped on... could be the fold by the armpit that is a bit odd...
but its been some time since I saw a naked woman so i might be mistaken :)
its 0703xxxxx3 :)
hum... maybe the arms... look a bit strapped on... could be the fold by the armpit that is a bit odd...
but its been some time since I saw a naked woman so i might be mistaken :)
kaber
12-17-2002, 09:12 PM
she's starting to look hot now
lol
a bit chubby though
needs a bit more bone to show through in the upper body ?
peace.
lol
a bit chubby though
needs a bit more bone to show through in the upper body ?
peace.
Lukashi
12-18-2002, 01:42 AM
:bounce: Thanks guys for the compliments :)
Kaber, yes i also feel shes getting hotter, but the body size is the way i want it to be, i dont want her to be really skinny
H4d35, Sry you cant get her number, but youre welcome to make her a cg boyfriend :P
Kaber, yes i also feel shes getting hotter, but the body size is the way i want it to be, i dont want her to be really skinny
H4d35, Sry you cant get her number, but youre welcome to make her a cg boyfriend :P
Lukashi
12-18-2002, 02:00 AM
final model version i think
Lukashi
12-18-2002, 10:24 PM
I dont care if everybody is sick of my thread im posting new pics anyways ;), gonna start to texture today
EighthDecay
12-18-2002, 10:36 PM
first time looking at this,, Wow you made some major improvements through this thread. Great looking girl model. I don't even know where to start with something like this.
Get some poses out of her so we can see some nice standing positions or something.
keep at it, your doing damn great!
Get some poses out of her so we can see some nice standing positions or something.
keep at it, your doing damn great!
Lukashi
12-18-2002, 10:37 PM
thanks EighthDecay im rigging after i texture :)
h4d35
12-19-2002, 07:24 PM
humm... no i dont feel like makin a cg boyfriend!
no way in hell that even my cg characters get more girls than me! and better lookin too.. *grr*
/Hannes
--- check out my new character Milky
Milky Thread (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33017&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)
no way in hell that even my cg characters get more girls than me! and better lookin too.. *grr*
/Hannes
--- check out my new character Milky
Milky Thread (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33017&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)
Lukashi
12-23-2002, 11:01 PM
Ok i finally updated, sorry its been a while, a couple file corruptions and other things set me back a bit
Lukashi
12-23-2002, 11:02 PM
i still have to add eye makeup and other stuff so its still quite a wip
Lukashi
12-24-2002, 07:46 PM
Fun Fact #31: The artist Lukas Lepicovsky, is actually NOT into bald chicks :bounce:
Lukashi
12-25-2002, 04:19 AM
C&C plz :)
Jenner
12-25-2002, 11:58 AM
wow, she looks much better with that hair!
:drool: :love:
:drool: :love:
Lukashi
12-26-2002, 05:07 AM
trying out different hair colors
Lukashi
12-26-2002, 05:29 AM
and 1 more
swadepgh
12-26-2002, 10:31 PM
The hip bones seem to be positioned a bit low.
The face looks great. Her features look more "real" thank so many of the "ideal" CG females.
Also, nice avatar. Love that movie.
The face looks great. Her features look more "real" thank so many of the "ideal" CG females.
Also, nice avatar. Love that movie.
Lukashi
12-27-2002, 04:13 AM
thanks swadepgh!:bounce:
I updated the leg area a little bit and the arms also, mmm the lighting blows :(
I updated the leg area a little bit and the arms also, mmm the lighting blows :(
sumpm1
12-27-2002, 09:15 AM
i know that chick, she's stuck up
BiTMAP
12-27-2002, 09:54 AM
go with a deaper red coloured hair, silver eyes and Keep your skintone, (just try it I think you'll like it, I mean I do teehehe ermm nuff bout my girl back to yours) and Uhh put her in a big victorian dress with LOTS of detail, cuase uhh that'd just be freaken kool :D
Lukashi
12-28-2002, 06:38 AM
Thx Bitmap, ill try to make a dress later on, but for now she will remain nude :love:
Fixed - Hip problems, Leg issues
Fixed - Hip problems, Leg issues
Lukashi
12-28-2002, 11:17 PM
ok started to texture the body :love:
Lukashi
12-30-2002, 03:45 AM
started rigging, lighting(i know its a bit too yellow/overexposed), changed the hair, and a bit of composition in photoshop... Btw should i give her some clothes or not
Hysteria
12-30-2002, 04:30 AM
Looking really good dude, shes purrty. You've done a lot of tweaking on it and its came out very good. I think you should maybe have it clothed and nekkid so you can get the best of both worlds ;). Keep up the good texturing, it looks pretty good so far.:applause: :beer:
Lukashi
12-31-2002, 01:54 AM
thinking of something along these lines for the clothes, a sort of beach ish attire, also changed the lighting a bit made it softer, morelike a sunset scene i guess
(i hope ur all not getting sick of my model :love: )
http://www.geocities.com/lukashi/lalla.jpg
(i hope ur all not getting sick of my model :love: )
http://www.geocities.com/lukashi/lalla.jpg
KingMob
12-31-2002, 04:35 AM
who could get sick of her face? shes so pretty, now that her kemo is done and she has hair..but whats witht he clothes?
I thought we were getting a free show!
nice work, i'll give my crits in #cgtalk
I thought we were getting a free show!
nice work, i'll give my crits in #cgtalk
Blackassheep
12-31-2002, 04:39 AM
Ian, you too funny. But yes, she is a nice model. By the way King, where ya been. I need to get with you....
KingMob
12-31-2002, 04:44 AM
shoot me an email.
I have been busy with holidays etc, it's been insane.
I have been busy with holidays etc, it's been insane.
creepyalex
12-31-2002, 06:08 PM
OmG thAt IS teh SUxoRZ!!:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow
Lukashi
12-31-2002, 06:09 PM
alex = nub, dont mind him guys, ill just kick his ass when i see him tonight :p
Lukashi
01-02-2003, 02:59 AM
pose in progress :), ill finish up lighting and stuff
http://www.geocities.com/lukashi/lalala.txt
http://www.geocities.com/lukashi/lalala.txt
BiTMAP
01-02-2003, 04:04 AM
towel looks weird around the waist, and her expression (mouth) is weird I don't know exactly what :) but i like it!
FLyingMango
01-02-2003, 05:43 AM
is really look great! but the shoulder got alittle bit weired rite tat..
Lukashi
01-02-2003, 11:32 PM
ok almost done :scream:
IDownupI
01-02-2003, 11:37 PM
I think the hait is too high the forehead asdhajvfasdcoscnbvnc you know
Lukashi
01-03-2003, 12:08 AM
ok lowered it, is this better?
Lukashi
01-03-2003, 03:03 AM
ok posted the thread in the gallery section, :bounce: :bounce:
Id like to thank everyone who helped me make her pretty :) just check on the first page to see how much you help me :applause:
Id like to thank everyone who helped me make her pretty :) just check on the first page to see how much you help me :applause:
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