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Mu
03-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Murat Kayi is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=10148)

Latest Update: Final Coloring: final twist
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148419985_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3573220#post3573220)

Mu
03-01-2006, 10:40 PM
Oh. my. God?!

What have I done? Rebecca posted this message which said I should definitely join and before I knew it I just followed her instructions.

And when I saw that automatically created first post I just started to giggle hysterically.


Erm, well... here I go :scream:


*sigh*

:eek:

Mu
03-01-2006, 11:23 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141259002_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141259002_large.jpg)

just trying to get rid of that embarassing emptiness in my thread. Had to think of my didgeridoo days, songlines, walkabouts, inner journey, Bruce Chatwin, all that stuff...

paperclip
03-01-2006, 11:29 PM
Ich liebe es!

However, I think it'd be great if you had some sort of indication as to the journey- where are they going? Why? ARE they going somewhere?

Keep plugging away and good luck.

Most importantly- have fun!
:)

Mu
03-01-2006, 11:35 PM
Ich liebe es!


tapadh leibh...:D

I am actually not sure if I will follow this. Really, I just followed my hands entering this challenge... but thinking back that is the way I made my best decisions in life: without thinking...

Yea, this is not enough. If I stick to it I need to add some vastness. Indicate direction and obstacle. We shall see. But thanks for dropping by, I need a helping hand, or hundreds of them rather...:scream:

Llynna
03-01-2006, 11:50 PM
hey murat!

great to see you here too. just see it as a good practise and lots of fun to have joined, it really is a lot of help :)

so, get all you pencils sharp and go sketching :)

viel glück!

makaron
03-02-2006, 12:04 AM
way to go Mr. Mu... no empty threads here... :bounce: good luck with your journey...

Rebeccak
03-02-2006, 12:32 AM
Hey, Mr. Mu, great to see you here! :bounce:This will be pure fun, that's what I'm in it for! :thumbsup:

Cheers and good luck! :)

~Rebeccak

mybutterflyiris
03-02-2006, 01:26 AM
Oh. my. God?!

What have I done? Rebecca posted this message which said I should definitely join and before I knew it I just followed her instructions.

And when I saw that automatically created first post I just started to giggle hysterically.

HAHAHAHA!! Mr. Mu! That's just priceless.

Well, regardless how you got here, just relax and have fun. :)

Mu
03-02-2006, 07:37 AM
Llynna - thanks for calming me down. I chilled down a bit (some hours of sleep do wonders sometimes). It will be a lot of practise and I appreciate every bit of feedback!

makaron - hey thanks for bouncing about:scream:

Rebeccak - yea you are right! I am feeling the fun already. ("Touch the screen! Touch the screen"):scream:

mybutterflyiris - thanks for laughing at my despair:scream: I am relaxed by now and am actually glad I joined. This will help me push things forward.




I must say that I really do like the seed of a concept of this first sketch. When I went to bed last night I knew what I would be going to add to at least make this a real concept.

- vastness, increasing the canvas, sizing down the figures by the fire.
- the Eldest, starting his journey, singing the songlines which will guide him through the outback, accompanied by the youngling who has to memorize the songs.
- an amazing, awe-inspiring, unreal sunrise on the far side of the fire part of the canvas which battles the night atmosphere


At the surface of things Aboriginal Songlines serve as maps. Landmarks are sung and memorized. Songlines can guide a single traveller thousands of miles through Australia. Interestingly, the actual words/language seems of no importance as members of different clans can understand songlines sung to them in a different language.

Apart from that there's more to the concept of Songlines - being the western couch potatoe that I am I can not understand that fully, but the singer/traveller is not separated from the landmarks. He is the keeper of the spiritual entities represented by the landmarks (rocks, rivers etc.) and with his songs sings the landmarks into material existence.

I will research more on songlines, maybe. I am starting to really like the idea. It is music (big passion of mine) combined with the passion of painting.

woodyradica
03-02-2006, 09:26 AM
Good luck Mr Mu I looking forward to seeing what you come up with.......

Woody

Ego
03-02-2006, 09:27 AM
Mr. Mu have fun on this journey. Its gonna be an exciting few months.

Vahn
03-02-2006, 10:25 AM
thats an interesting concept you came up with ... welcome & have fun :D

Mu
03-02-2006, 05:08 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141322911_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141322911_large.jpg)

The Youngling who accompanies the Eldest. At the moment I am thinking about a man in his early twenties.

Arc80
03-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Yeah, i agree. very interesting concept. I like the sound of the story. Your sketches looks very surreal at the moment. I'm interested to see how you will play with the composition.
Cant wait.

Goodluck and do have fun. be back again
cheers

Mu
03-02-2006, 05:32 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141324343_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141324343_large.jpg)

Trying to embed some of the figures I did into a larger setting. I will have to look up Straubs article again. I am completely clueless as to where position the two travellers - everything subject to change, though, so...

Elsie
03-02-2006, 05:33 PM
Hehe, Mr. Mu - it's that Kimmel, she has hypnotic brainwaves and whatnot. Though very gladly so ^^ since I'm looking forward to seeing this develop. The best of luck to you!

Mu
03-02-2006, 05:41 PM
woodyradica - hey there thanks for leaving a comment and cheering me up.

Queensoul - Yea I thought so too today. :beer:



Vahn - man, thanks for taking a look at it. Ever since that yeti sketch of yours and your work in the speedpainting thread I am a admirer of your work!

Arc80 - is surreal another word for illegible?:scream: Cool you like the story. I need to transfer this into the painting itself

Elsie - Hi there! Yea, the sensei lured me into it and I am grateful already...:D

elmasfeo
03-02-2006, 07:53 PM
those cgsociety guys... in the joining form they say there are 3 steps, but when you fill in the second you're actually finished, and they create a thread for you! I can understand you, it's frightening to see what you can do by just clicking two buttons!:argh:
hehe.... best of luck mister! and have a lot of fun! :D

that last drawing is looking a bit too.... black.... but it's a very good concept, I'll be looking forward for more...

Mu
03-02-2006, 09:29 PM
hola fernando!

that last drawing is looking a bit too.... black
yea, I was thinking today that I had better make sure that I don't use any black because it will just stay what it is when I get to the stage of adding another layer set to color blending mode.

And, hmm, it wasn't CGtalk's fault. It's just that I was rather watching myself filling in the entry form and when I was done I was like "aaargh... what was I thinking?" But it's better now...:scream:

makaron
03-02-2006, 09:38 PM
black is is nice :p I have a black GP :p haha

but the thing is... this really looks intresting to follow... hope you show us more soon, very soon... :wip:

elmasfeo
03-02-2006, 10:11 PM
well, they say that pure black or pure white are something to avoid, but what I really meant was that there was maybe too much emty space... hmmm... I don't know really, it could surely make an interesting composition, but it's like all the action is concentrated on a small area of the painting... just my opinion

btw, when I wrote my last post I had just joined the challenge (on the 3d side) and I was feeling a bit like you at the beggining... It was fun to see your first post at that moment, hehe...

Mu
03-02-2006, 10:34 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141342485_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141342485_large.jpg)

The Eldest knows the way because of and through the songlines. He is the keeper of the Spiritual entities who live through his song.
Not only does he find his way by singing the songlines along the landmarks - he recreates the landmarks and their "totems" by singing their songlines.

Mu
03-02-2006, 11:04 PM
thinking aloud here - bear with me:

So I think my main actors are the youngling, the Eldest and the didg players. So far so good.
Now I will have to pay some serious and thorough attention to composition...

*crickets chirping*

It is so hard. But I figure I got myself a nice concept and four nice characters.
Hmmmm.
I had better make a list- A todo list. Kind of:

KINDOFTODOLIST:

- small characters are all nice and stuff, but I want the viewer to realize their roles in the story. So they can't be hobbit-size while showing half of Pelennor plains, so-to-speak
- I must somehow decide on where they face. To the sides, to the viewer? Into the painting? But then I only get to present their backs... don't like this thought.
- I need to depict the relationship between singer/keeper and the landmarks/"ghosts". The landmarks are further characters. I need to do landmark character studies.
- I should do many rough composition thumbnail sketches. Just to get an idea about knitting it all together.
- I need to get reference for aboriginal faces, clothing, ritual facepaint
- I need to get ref for a sunrise. I am clueless about sunrises. Maybe that's because I sleep to long...
- I think the title will be "Keeper of the Songlines"

list done. I am so diligent...:scream:

Mu
03-02-2006, 11:06 PM
but what I really meant was that there was maybe too much emty space... hmmm... I don't know really, it could surely make an interesting composition, but it's like all the action is concentrated on a small area of the painting... just my opinion

Man, you are absolutely right. The composition can't stay that way. Too dark. Not much to see. Main characters missing and all.

Don't hesitate to tell me about the things that suck. I need the feedback.

I am a beginner, man.

:)

SpiritDreamer
03-03-2006, 09:39 PM
Mr Mu:

The Lakota Sioux, a Plains Tribe in the US, former leaders Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, have a Sacred Place called the Black Hills. Considered the Center of their World. And where all the Spirits of their ancestors come from and return. And is where they seek their visions on their Vision Quest.
In the Australian Tribes the Center of their World is Ayers Rock. Serves the similar function as the Black Hills. They believe that is where all their ancestors spirits come from and return on their journey. Thier basic spiritual faith a belief is that life is a mystical existence and journey, and they call this journey "Dream Time". Is kind of like the philosophy the Chinese have of "Is life the dream or is the dream life." Any way not easy to explain in just a few words.
Might also read the words to my Master and Servant Challenge. Has similar thoughts of the earth being the container of spirit..

Here are a few links maybe can help with your research.

Ayer Rock and the Digeridoo:
http://aboriginalart.com.au/didgeridoo/what_is.html (http://aboriginalart.com.au/didgeridoo/what_is.html)
Lots of Digeridoos:
http://www.didgeswedoo.com.au/ (http://www.didgeswedoo.com.au/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aborigine_music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aborigine_music)
Google images of Ayers Rock:
http://images.google.com/images?q=ayer+rock&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images (http://images.google.com/images?q=ayer+rock&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images)
Beautiful photos of Ayers Rock with sunsets:
http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/gallery/uluru.htm (http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/gallery/uluru.htm)
Dream Time and pictures:
http://www.crystalinks.com/ayersrock.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/ayersrock.html)



Marat: Good luck on your Journey and your Vision Quest
Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak
03-03-2006, 09:45 PM
Ooh, I really like that last sketch, Mr. Mu! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Gord-MacDonald
03-04-2006, 02:01 AM
Hey Mr Mu

I just found your thread. Good luck on the challenge. This is such a great opportunity for all of us to grow and have alot of fun! I will be keeping my eye out :thumbsup:

Gord

Mu
03-07-2006, 01:48 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141742894_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141742894_large.jpg)

Trying to get a feeling for the overall setting. The characters need a place out there to live in...

Mu
03-07-2006, 01:50 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743041_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743041_large.jpg)

too much moonshine atmo...

Mu
03-07-2006, 01:52 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743132_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743132_large.jpg)

horizon higher, Ayer's Rock placeholder, but somehow no place for a close-up of my characters

Mu
03-07-2006, 01:53 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743215_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743215_large.jpg)

trying to relax on my methods and produce something surprising - hence the use of colours which I am actually much to untrained in.

Mu
03-07-2006, 01:55 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743318_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743318_large.jpg)

a cold morning atmo - which I turned out to like. Cons: still no place for characters, to much sky. But it conveys the atmo... hmmmm

Mu
03-07-2006, 01:57 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743426_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743426_large.jpg)

cold morning - Ayer's Rock again and a little more ground. Still not enough though - characters would have to float in the air...:-))

Mu
03-07-2006, 01:58 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743523_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743523_large.jpg)

back to greyscale - completely different landscape. Vast and far and wide which is fine. I need a method to put vastness and a character close-up all in one painting.

Rebeccak
03-07-2006, 01:59 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743215_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743215_large.jpg)
Ooh, I really like this sketch a lot! :thumbsup: The rock almost looks like a luminescent gem, really nice!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak
(http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141743215_large.jpg)

Mu
03-07-2006, 02:10 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141744204_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141744204_large.jpg)

An overview of the first session of setting sketches

makaron
03-07-2006, 02:11 PM
me like the orange one... both colors and comp... :)

Mu
03-07-2006, 09:57 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141772265_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1141772265_large.jpg)

expanded on the one makaron and Rebecca liked. I am still so insecure about the whole concept, mainly because I still can't figure out where to place my characters. I like the characters a lot and want to show them up close. Hmmmm.... The upper left corner of my blunt dimwitted depiction of Ayer's Rock is at the ideal focal point, but this means the character's expressions must not compete with that focal point (I plan on maxing out the reflection of the early morning sun in that corner)

Also, I will have to transfer this back into greyscale so I can concentrate on values again and add pinkish mornig hues at the end... at the end IF I stick with this concept, that is...

*shrugs*

Overchord
03-08-2006, 11:16 AM
Hey Mr Mu

Its coming along great :thumbsup: I think the red/orange choice was a good one!
Looking forward to see the development in this! All the best luck and have fun with the challenge!

Rebeccak
03-08-2006, 11:39 AM
It can't hurt to do really small comps like these up the wazoo for the figures. :) Worry about details last, just go for the major shapes. It can't hurt to do a ton of small throwaway sketches, that's the beauty of digital. The more the better. :) Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ravena
03-08-2006, 12:14 PM
Hi Mr. Mu,

some great sketches you show here!
I read, you don't know yet where the best place for your characters is.
Only a unprofessional thought from me to it: which perspective do you want to show? From above, from down, eye level...?
Keep up the good work, you have so much time. :-)

Ciao,
Ravena

SpiritDreamer
03-08-2006, 03:30 PM
Hi....Murat....:wavey: :) .......Are you having fun yet...LOL!!

Have to agree with Rebecca....you really got the colors right with that LUMINESCENT GEM...
The dirt around that area where rock is....is also a redish color.....love the VIVIDNESS in that one....captures the magic feeling your searching for perfectly...:thumbsup:

Go to Favorite Figurative Artists Links // Library....top front page in Rebecca's forum...
Page # 1 frame # 8 Robert E Mc Guinnis ......go to WESTERNS in his web site.....:)

I think you will find what you need and are searching for there.... in the way of landscape composition with figures ........like an egg hunt...is it Easter yet...LOL!!...:scream:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Nigio
03-10-2006, 09:04 AM
Hi, thanks for your words. I like the expresionist style of your sketches.
Good luck!

Arc80
03-11-2006, 03:00 AM
I prefer post #33 and #35. The sunset setting is definately eye catching at the moment, but the composition is too equally distributed in terms of where you put your horizon line.

i know its just a sketch so i'll wait for more progress.
cheers mate

Mu
03-11-2006, 11:56 AM
Arc80 - thanks for checking out! I too feel that the orange one is not yet the final decision. And the placement of the horizon line is driving my nuts. I am studying perspective again with Loomis at the moment. Learning curve etc.

Nigio - thanks for dropping by! Whoever reads this: check his thread out, his style rocks big time.

Glenn aka 1/2 of Spirit Dreamer - yea, it was quite a search for this easter egg of yours:scream:, but man! It was an inspiring find. Thanks a lot.

Ravena - you hit the nail on the head. I am trying to get a grip on perspective before I can decide on how to integrate characters and setting. Thanks for watching!

Rebecca, Sensei - google and my dictionary don't offer an explanation for wazoo, but I think I can figure this one out:scream: You are right and this is something I will do first of all. Decide on how the characters interact and where they face, then - with the help of the myteries of perspective - integrate characters and setting and voilà: winning entry:rolleyes:

:scream:

paperclip
03-11-2006, 12:28 PM
Hey Murat!

I also love the 'luminscent gem' idea, I think you should play around with the horizon line a bit, try lowering and tiliting it to give the painting a more dynamic feeling. I want to see your characters, let's be having a look!

oh, and
Tiochfaidh ar la! (our day will come! I mean us 'newbies'..)

Mu
03-11-2006, 07:27 PM
I want to see your characters, let's be having a look!

me too!:scream: Really, I know what they look like after my past character studies, but to position them, and let them relate to each other - it will take me some doodles and loosening up... ah there it is again, my main problem...
*shakes*
*remains stiff*

:scream:

waheednasir
03-12-2006, 07:33 AM
hi there mr. mu...:). this is good. as u know how i work, as i myself prefer painterly, expressive look, ofcourse these is so interesting for me, i really like these, nice energetic sketchy feel. good suggestion of light as well.

really nice to see your stuff mr. mu...:).

wish u all the best...:).

Maladie
03-16-2006, 10:21 PM
Hello Mr. Mu (feels like I'm referring to grumpy old teacher in fashion of Obi Wan Kanobi),

I love your comp sketches, especially the one you're going with now and the vast pale morning sky. Your way of working from macro to micro makes a lot of sense. I'm gonna try and copy it in my own private 'shadow-challenge' which I won't be as silly as to open a thread for:).

I would love to see the characters in the foreground on the left, still really tiny but closer to the viewer. This also adds a nice suggestion of them either leaving for or just having left Ayers Rock.

I'm subscribing to your thread and thanks for the inspiration!

Mu
03-16-2006, 10:36 PM
waheednasir - wow, one of my heroes in my thread. Can it get any better now? I feel I have already kind of won the Challenge now. :)



Maladie - thank you for everything you said. That was so motivating and made me feel like I actually can accomplish what I am going for.

I would love to see the characters in the foreground on the left, still really tiny but closer to the viewer.
That's exactly what I have been thinking. I would love to see the characters up-close, though, in order to make the viewer understand what is going on within them.

my own private 'shadow-challenge' which I won't be as silly as to open a thread for:).
Don't mean to be rude, but would it not be the only silly thing not to enter officially? I mean, if you think it is an uncomfortable situation to compete with so much intimidating talent around here - which I thought at first - think again: people around here just push you, always forward. They want to see you improve, interact and have fun.

Here's a promise: Noone - absolutely noone - will come to your thread saying things like "What were you thinking?". They may point out things which might not work. But most of the time you will find people saying the nicest and most motivating things in your challenge thread... like the things you just told me.

Thank you.

beelow
03-16-2006, 10:39 PM
Just, work out those shapes, solve ur shapes with color, and value! U can also just do the value sketch and then do the color, good luck and thanx for dropping by in my thread dude!:thumbsup:

Mu
03-16-2006, 10:45 PM
U can also just do the value sketch and then do the color

Yea, I am still not trained enough to go directly for color, so I will have to use the channel mixer to bring this back to greyscale in a convincing manner and continue from there.


good luck and thanx for dropping by in my thread dude!:thumbsup:

was my pleasure, you know... :beer:

mybutterflyiris
03-18-2006, 09:41 PM
Ok, I haven't read all the posts here, but I did read your challenge thread... not good with colors? humbug. I think your color sketches have wonderful color in them! keep it up...

Maladie
03-31-2006, 01:40 PM
Hi Mu,

are you still going on with this? I kinda miss this thread...thanks for the encouragement you've given me in my wip-thread. I have done the sensible thing and started at the proper beginning with gesture and values:).
I hope you will get back to this soon so I can give some c&c back. Good luck!

Mu
03-31-2006, 07:02 PM
hi Maladie

oh yes I am still working on it. I actually did some sketches I did not post as they wee crappy and not geared towards publishing anyway. I am also doing a great deal of learning things I will put to use in this entry.

So, not yet, but eventually there will be updates to the final concept..

thanks for checking it out again!

paperclip
04-07-2006, 09:38 PM
Du fehlst mir! Warum hast du zum Bild nicht arbeitest?? Ich verlange, dass du arbeitest weiter! (entschuldigung sie meinem grammatisch. :blush:)

Mu
04-07-2006, 11:05 PM
Du fehlst mir! Warum hast du zum Bild nicht arbeitest?? Ich verlange, dass du arbeitest weiter! (entschuldigung sie meinem grammatisch. :blush:)

oh clippy!

Ich bin ganz bezaubert von Deinem Deutsch! Und ich arbeite weiter - versprochen!

The challenge lives - promise..!

no reason to blush - I would not in seven lives get a tenth of the knowledge in Gaelic that you acquired in German...but I love Guiness and Luka Bloom...hope it compensates,hehe...:scream:

Mu
04-22-2006, 09:47 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1145742447_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1145742447_large.jpg)

after long absence, due to holidays and much learning (finally learned what people meant by "use blending...") I am coming back to this.

I am still not sure how to compose the whole thing, but I am pretty sure that my two characters are the story I want to tell rather than the landscape.

Mu
04-26-2006, 07:21 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146079301_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146079301_large.jpg)

this is the rough pose for my two main characters.
At the time being I am adding to/cropping the canvas to find a good setup for the rest of my elements.

Mu
04-30-2006, 05:14 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146417291_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146417291_large.jpg)

roughing in a morning atmo (which I need to darken down in the next steps), pushing the Uluru way back to the horizon in order to make space for the characters with the didgeridoos somewhere in between.

The main characters are still in b/w, in case you are wondering...;-)

Mu
05-01-2006, 12:25 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146486311_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146486311_large.jpg)

darkening down the sky, looking for supporting forms in the atmosphere, desaturating uluru.

characters still b/w

Mu
05-02-2006, 10:09 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146607744_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146607744_large.jpg)

more darkness, desaturating and blurring Uluru - it's about time I added the additional characters in the middle

Mu
05-03-2006, 02:07 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146665264_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1146665264_large.jpg)

takin more and more away from teh sky in order to make the morning sun pop out. Took away the staff and now I feel I am much more inspired for stuff in between Uluru and the Eldest.

Mu
05-03-2006, 02:11 PM
I forgot to mention that I scaled the two characters up, of course. I am not sure if they will stay like this, but I feel they fit more into the whole scheme, now.

*sigh*

I have such an unorganized way of working myself through the thickets of my insufficient skills to an unconvincing end...

:argh:

Maladie
05-03-2006, 08:43 PM
Well - I'm glad to see disorganized, insufficiently skilled Mu back here:).

I think your last update is great compwize. I liked the way they're huddled clumsily together, but I don't know if that's what you want them to emanate.

Mu
05-08-2006, 02:04 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147097083_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147097083_large.jpg)

increased the contrast on teh landscape as well as on the characters.

desaturation and blurring on the horizon line masses.

Mu
05-09-2006, 03:29 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147188583_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147188583_large.jpg)

roughly color layered the characters, started ruining one of the faces.

Still no secondary characters. Will probably be turning to and fro between landscape and characters from now on.

Maladie
05-10-2006, 11:08 AM
Good work, Murat! I think you are incredible with colours, if your compositions weren't all equally well-focused, at least they all seemed full of life and sparkle. It's funny because I am the exact opposite, better with lines and pretty bad with landscapes and colours.

At this moment I'm wondering whether I should get more into that. But the thing is, I don't really want to be a digital painter, I just want to be able to make interesting characters for 3D modelling and animation. There's so much alluring stuff to learn though, not sure what I'll do yet (I don't actually have the 3D program yet). What do you want to do with CG? And what way do you go about it? Sorry for getting all personal but I do feel like you're a sort of friend, hope you don't mind;).

As for your painting, I think you're onto a good thing with the lighting. Gives them way more depth. The thing you need to work on is the readability of the scene. Right now I couldn't tell you what their mood is or where they're going. This could emanate from the characters but also from the perspective, objects in the fore-/background, etc. I know you plan on adding more characters, that might help.

Llynna
05-10-2006, 11:15 AM
hey murat :)

great to see some progress on your picture, hopefully you manage to get it done in time :)

there is some issue with the proportion of the right figure, i think his head might be a bit too small compared to his body, only a bit though.

viel glück noch und einen guten endspurt :)

Mu
05-15-2006, 02:57 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147705053_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147705053_large.jpg)

Glenn aka SpiritDreamer introduced me to some fine tools and techniques to let loose and enhance the painting, some of which are based on tradtional techniques some are pure digital wizardry.

So, overall somewhat dark, but I am approaching the end

Mu
05-15-2006, 02:58 PM
Llynna - thanks for checking out. I will countercheck the head size again.

Maladie... thanks for paying me a visit!

Mu
05-16-2006, 09:11 AM
oops, Maladie... sorry I somehow overlooked your post!


I don't really want to be a digital painter, I just want to be able to make interesting characters for 3D modelling and animation.


oh, that is news! Because you are getting better and better and you could go so far. Which 3D app do you plan to use, btw?

What do you want to do with CG? And what way do you go about it?
Well, loved to draw and paint long before I even owned a PC, but I always sucked.

Art lessons at school were horrible (they basically destroyed my urge to draw/paint for years!).

After that I just tried to get things right, but it seldom worked out. I tried pastels as they would allow for a painted look while being close to drawing. But I could not achieve anything really in the traditional ways and so I left it again.

Later, when I was using GIMP already to edit image files for websites I stumbled acorss greg martin (http://gallery.artofgregmartin.com/) and his Photoshop tutorials for doing space scenery, a lot of which could be applied to the GIMP, so I tried it.
I noticed I would need a graphic tablet (found one for cheap 15€). Then I came across sites like gfxartist.com and, of course, CGTalk and, well... now I just want to get as good as possible.

Because it feels good.

Simple reason. Simple goal.

Sorry for getting all personal but I do feel like you're a sort of friend, hope you don't mind;).

:)


The thing you need to work on is the readability of the scene. Right now I couldn't tell you what their mood is or where they're going. This could emanate from the characters but also from the perspective, objects in the fore-/background, etc. I know you plan on adding more characters, that might help.

I am getting more and more cionfused by my entry right now. I totally forgot for weeks to regularly flip the image horizontally in order to correct mistakes and when I did it yesteday it looked like perspective shit from hell....:cry:

ah, few days left after all...

:eek:

Mu
05-17-2006, 02:14 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147875275_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1147875275_large.jpg)

gave the youngling an arm and a hand. Added some mornig sun glow to the edges of the skin of the eldest. Need to figure out a better hand pose for him. Started adding additional landscape as a further hint on distance as well as an additional visual path...

Elsie
05-17-2006, 02:19 PM
Hey Mr. Mu! Just dropping in to say hi :) the sky in the background has some fabulous colours to it, though I'm not too sure how easily the red with the blue background treats my eyes - I personally would find it more harmonious if the sky itself was a more orangey sunset colour. I think also between the light and shadow on the figures it would help to add a line of saturation. Great work so far!

Mu
05-17-2006, 02:27 PM
I think also between the light and shadow on the figures it would help to add a line of saturation.

absolutely!
*slaps forehead*
really forgot!

Thanks...:)

As concerns the sky. And, well, all the rest... I don't know... might all be subject to change. Wild, unannounced, frantic change.

*starts to giggle hysterically*

As concerns my emotional stability at the beginning and near the end of this thread:
I have come full circle...:scream:

Maladie
05-17-2006, 04:46 PM
Awww, don't break down...yet, hehe.

Maybe if you keep it a simple scene you could simply have the younger one look up at the elder, and the elder pointing decidedly ahead...presto. Just two men on a (spiritual) journey. Keep it simple or you'll really hate this if you don't already:). Good going, anyway, don't give up!:thumbsup:

Mu
05-20-2006, 10:04 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148119454_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148119454_large.jpg)

the hands had to go and make space for better poses.

preparing a path back to Uluru.

Mu
05-21-2006, 08:57 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148245043_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148245043_large.jpg)

approaching the end

Mu
05-22-2006, 05:24 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148318637_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148318637_large.jpg)

trying to increase the distance hints

Mu
05-23-2006, 09:33 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148419985_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10148/10148_1148419985_large.jpg)

maybe I am not gonna hate my submission after all...

Mu
05-26-2006, 07:36 AM
or maybe yes...



Listen folks,

I won't be able to finish this painting. I worked hard on it, but I could not overcome my shortcomings as concerns simple technical skills.

I would like to thank everyone who helped me out on this, I learned a lot by your advice or sometimes your paintovers or complaints...:D

I think it was a bit too early for me to go for a full painting like this - back to school for me...:)

see you in the anatomy forum and in the DSG...

Rebeccak
05-26-2006, 07:48 AM
Heya Murat,

It's great to see you have a go at this, and of course we welcome you back to the Anat Forum! I think it's brave to try something this challenging, and I congratulate you on coming this far!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

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