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OZOZOZ
03-01-2006, 03:29 PM
Andrew Shcherbak is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=10079)

Latest Update: Final Image: Wolf Cub
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OZOZOZ
03-04-2006, 12:33 PM
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hello!
I want to show fellings of an Ice Age child; the tragedy of a period of forced abandone of a home place seeking for "better lands". stranging for mammoths, first people disapeared as well as the aim of their roam.

it is my first time on CGTalk, please, leave Your comments, advises and questions. Thank You all!

calisto-lynn
03-04-2006, 04:19 PM
nice concept! i like it alot!! wellcome to the challenge!! have lots of fun :D :D

OZOZOZ
03-04-2006, 05:29 PM
thank you, calisto (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=142527) vbmenu_register("postmenu_3303297", true); , I like your sketch too - it is so bright and dinamic! :applause:

OZOZOZ
03-04-2006, 05:47 PM
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seeking the composition...

OZOZOZ
03-04-2006, 06:56 PM
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this composition seems to look better. some main colours.

sturmkim
03-04-2006, 07:47 PM
i like girl's expression,
good luck..

Duracel
03-04-2006, 07:54 PM
Looks good so far, but i cannot connect it in any way with the journey "begins"; those people seem to be in the middle of but starting one.

walrus
03-04-2006, 07:55 PM
Really nice concept and composition so far. I like the foreground character. The back left character feels somewhat stiff and vertical... What if he was leaning forward just a bit to encompass the foreground character a bit more and to round off that conrer compositionally? Just and idea... have fun!

-mike

Pawlack
03-04-2006, 08:14 PM
Hi
I like the expression on the child face. It create nice atmosphere. Keep it going ;)

Good luck on your journey

bandro
03-05-2006, 06:36 AM
crude an emotive image ill keep an eye on this:deal:

Squibbit
03-05-2006, 06:44 AM
sweet pic, good luck



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OZOZOZ
03-05-2006, 09:53 AM
thank you all for your reflections!:bounce: I'll keep in mind your advises working on this image!

Cyberone
03-05-2006, 09:56 AM
oh...it looks so sad....

i like the concept with the little bigger head....
those big sad and cute eyes....

keep at it!!

OZOZOZ
03-05-2006, 11:51 AM
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I've changed the composition. I suppose it makes my intention more clear. your comments are welcome!

OZOZOZ
03-05-2006, 01:20 PM
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the light over the mountings emphasizes the purpose of the path. the mammoths are leaving and the people have to follow them. grievous face of the child is smoothly lighted by a fading fire.

umbrellasky
03-05-2006, 01:29 PM
This looking wonderful. I really like your composition. Great work so far!

:thumbsup:

OZOZOZ
03-05-2006, 03:27 PM
thak you, enialadam (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=160816)!:) vbmenu_register("postmenu_3306212", true);

OZOZOZ
03-06-2006, 08:37 PM
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first step modelling the character. what do you think about it?

Nigio
03-07-2006, 12:24 PM
I like her expression, but her shoulders are naked... at the ice age?

LexLe
03-07-2006, 01:32 PM
Hi! It is pleasant to see fellow countrymen at this competition!:)
good luck!
:thumbsup:

privet! priyatno videt' zeml'akov na etom konkurse!:)
udachi!
:thumbsup:

Mu
03-07-2006, 02:21 PM
compelling character!

I was browsing through the thumbnails of the challenge overview and was stared down by her...:scream:

*subscribes*

Duracel
03-07-2006, 03:20 PM
It makes your intention more clear, Oz, but those people are still nomads travelling all their lives with no beginning and no end. They set up a camp for night, just to take it down the next morning.
You can make one cool picture out of it and i really like it, but in my eyes, it doesn't fit the theme.
I don't have to judge about it, but if you try to win a prize i guess you better have to face this problem.
I've seen a lot of people in here with real strong skills and also perfect fitting themes, so i guess somebody has to paint one scene you cannot misunderstand.

I know, its hard to throw this really cool picture away and start from sketch, just because there is one person don't think nomads are the right think to establish a "journey begins"-feeling. But in my eyes this would be the professional reaction.

Anyway, i don't care, i really like to see this one finished and for me it doesn't matter if you perfectly fit the challenge as long as the picture itself is good.

duddlebug
03-08-2006, 07:41 AM
Nice concept and i likethe composition because it focuses so heavily on the face whilst still showing the start of the journey behind her.

The palette works nicely too.

Good luck!

MichaelZHsee
03-08-2006, 08:09 AM
the colors and the composition work fantasticly.awaiting for more:thumbsup:

alexsabo
03-08-2006, 09:09 AM
Hy OZOZOZ

I like your concept. its a good start.
the kids heve a very expresive face.

good luck! :)

OZOZOZ
03-08-2006, 09:27 AM
thank youl all for your comments! they are important for me!


[QUOTE=Duracel] It makes your intention more clear, Oz, but those people are still nomads travelling all their lives with no beginning and no end. They set up a camp for night, just to take it down the next morning.
You can make one cool picture out of it and i really like it, but in my eyes, it doesn't fit the theme.



Duracel, thank you for your very constructive explanation of your seeing my work! you are completely right! regular migration for a tribe of those period was a necessity, caused by circumstanses. but this is the background idea. the main purpose of my picture is to show the feeling of a child, for whom this journey is for the FIRST time!!! she doesn't know, even don't clearly understand what is waiting her there - over the mountings. here is her birthplace, her home, her only world. the only the thing she can take with her is her only friend - a wolf cub. and for him it is a first time leaving the homeplace. it is the very beginning of HER journey,to a new camp, to a new life - that is why only her fase is showed and her feeling is important. the start is not always funny, and not always the hero is ready for it, even in case something better is awaiting at the end.
if i'd show how the tribe prepares for the journey, the girl and her friend could lost in a composition, which could look not dramatically.anohter thing, if i could show my idea in an appropriate way!
wait for your next impressions!:)

OZOZOZ
03-08-2006, 09:30 AM
Hi! It is pleasant to see fellow countrymen at this competition!:)
good luck!
:thumbsup:

privet! priyatno videt' zeml'akov na etom konkurse!:)
udachi!
:thumbsup:


hi! nice to meet you! :bounce: can't wait to see your challenge submission! keep in touch! good luck!

OZOZOZ
03-08-2006, 09:42 AM
I like her expression, but her shoulders are naked... at the ice age?

Nigio, just imagine her happy face in luxurious furs :eek: :)! mankind have not always been living in comfort:) :) :) ! nevertheless, thank you!:)

Nikolay
03-08-2006, 05:32 PM
Hi
I like your idea and style.
Good luck to you.

Slav
03-08-2006, 05:50 PM
damn i thought made a post here... oh well

very cool work. i love the angle environment and mood. :wip: :wip:

Duracel
03-09-2006, 12:22 PM
Oz, ok, your explanations makes way more sense.
For this little dog it really might be his first journey, but for the girl ... well, not if this is an every years journey.
In my eyes its still critical but i have no idea how you could fix it in here.

Anyway, i like your idea and this picture so far and the judges might be not as critical as i am. ;)

OZOZOZ
04-01-2006, 09:03 PM
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hello everyone! I've returned to my Wolf Cub. Your comments are wellcome!

webwings
04-02-2006, 09:49 AM
This is my first contest here too. You have captured the journey part well with the POV....I haven't picked up the idea of losing a home from the picture yet...maybe the ruins of one somewhere would help. All the best with it.

BC1967
04-14-2006, 05:27 PM
I love the mood and expression. Even as a WIP the story's there. Great job! I'm looking forward to the finish.

ramy badie
04-14-2006, 05:58 PM
Actually for me, I immediately feel the idea of abandoning their home from the facial expression, and also the last remaining embers and a little bit of smoke from the fire. I think this is turning out great, emotionally compelling for me.

CoreyArtE
04-15-2006, 05:54 PM
Omg, how could I have skiped over this one. The emotion in this piece is incredible, and that face is amazing so far. Keep painting please, you just got a new fan.

PATTY SCHERER
05-13-2006, 04:02 PM
...of doing a little ice child starting a rude jouney and the colours of your painting are displayed in a very harmonic way. Good luck in the challenge^^


Andrew Shcherbak is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=10079)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: wolf cub
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/10079/10079_1143929032_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3412103#post3412103)

anticz
05-13-2006, 08:06 PM
Story wise I think this is a very stong piece. Your composition is clear and gets your point across very well. Draftsman ship wise I think it's a bit rough around the edges. I think you're going to have a great piece if you can tighten it up and bring everything together. Nice job!

Quills
05-13-2006, 10:43 PM
Like the girl looking off behind you - at whatever it she is leaving behind or whatever she is afraid is coming and that she is running from.

Perhaps to add to the 'story' there could be more clues in the landscape, which could also become more epic with further faded mountain ranges beyond those you have already (I'm sure you've planned this anyway!)

Love the fluid paintily treatment of fire as WIP,

:)

Q

OZOZOZ
05-14-2006, 09:26 PM
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hello everyone! thank you all for your comments, I hope you'll write some more your impressions on the next fragment of my work.

elgrozni
05-14-2006, 09:35 PM
It's looking very good and I like this painterly style but i hink the objects in her backpack are a bit too detailed compared to her face. They just draw too much attention and unless you are going to detail the face and hair further you should bring less sharpness and contrast there...
Nice work, keep going :thumbsup:

RWR˛
05-14-2006, 09:43 PM
I prefer this scene, good work!

OZOZOZ
05-14-2006, 09:56 PM
thanks! i was wandering about the detail you have noticed too, maybe i was a bit too excited with the process of drawing those details. :) i'm still working!

Jakyll
05-16-2006, 11:14 AM
One of my favorites!!! Very good work, man!
I find the colour very successful.
The red on their cheeks….very well.

OZOZOZ
05-21-2006, 07:47 PM
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almost done!!! write me please what you think about it!
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE ON THE FINAL WEEK OF THE CHALLENGE!!!!

walrus
05-21-2006, 11:21 PM
The coloring is looking nice. But hmm, I'm curious why you changed the layout. I thought the other layout was a lot stronger: The movement in the piece was left to right, with the girl's glance left being a clearly backwards glance. Now she's loking left, but she's on the right but the movemet is also leftwards... it's just not as clear a read.

Also, while I like the new expression on the wolf pup, sadder and matching the girl's more, I liked the colors on post #33 more becuae there was a lot more values being player with, from whites to darks. Here, the pup has become more of a uniform grey, very similar hues to the rest of the background.

Hope you don't mind my pointing these out, I'm not meaning to put it down as it's a wonderful work... I just think that a lot of aspects of the earlier rev were a bit stronger. Good luck with it!

-mike

notpill
05-22-2006, 09:12 AM
The coloring is looking nice. But hmm, I'm curious why you changed the layout. I thought the other layout was a lot stronger: The movement in the piece was left to right, with the girl's glance left being a clearly backwards glance. Now she's loking left, but she's on the right but the movemet is also leftwards... it's just not as clear a read.
-mike

agree
but i like concept and coloring :)

elgrozni
05-22-2006, 01:35 PM
Agreed with walrus. Realy nice painting, good luck :)

NinjaSuz
05-23-2006, 09:15 PM
I am fascinated with this painting! I think it looks great. I think it's going to be a very strong candidate for this competition.

Good luck!

werepumpkin
05-23-2006, 10:40 PM
This is a beautiful piece. I'm sorry I've been too busy to have followed the progress from the biggining, or to work on my own entry for that mattter.

Maybe it's because I DIDN'T see the early images before, but I like the tonal decisions, and the compositional changes. The colors and tones reflect a more gloomy mood appropriate to the scene. She smaller group of travellers makes the situation seem more dire. And I'm ususally a stickler on left to right movement, but the right to left movement just doesn't seem to bother me in this instance. If anything it drives home the discomfort of the situation.

My 2 cents.

penartist26
05-24-2006, 12:33 AM
very good! i like the expression in that kids face.keep up the good work men ur almost done:thumbsup:

Tyranx
05-24-2006, 01:51 AM
hehe she's adorable!, but I have to agree with walrus about the composition.

werepumpkin
05-24-2006, 06:45 PM
I'va had a chance to think about why the flipped composition worked for me, so I thought I'd share it:

"Reading" an image from left to right is mostly a cultural thing, thought some argue there's an intrinsic way in which our brain processes images that makes this more universal than that. I can't argue the latter point, but I can argue for this composition within the cultual prescription of the left-to-right "read."

Generally left to right movement in an image is considered FORWARD movement, be it in time or space. Aan artist can by the same token use this norm to convey BACKWARD movement. That is a character returning to a previous state or place. Anyone interested in thearing someone talk lightly about the application of this can see Peter Jackson's commentaries on Lord of the Ring DVD special features.

To me, the tribe moving away form the viewer puts ME, the viewer, in the scene and makes me read the flipped scene as a group of beloved friends and relatives leaving ME and the safety of our camp (or whatever), as they get back on their way. Put another way, this angle feels to me like I am in the scene, as opposed to being an omnipresent observer that is looking onto someone elses life/scene, much in the way we see TV. We generally separate ourselves from the scene.

The left to right read composition at best places me with the tribe on the journey. Here the scene is made more personal because while I am going forward in time and space, this sad group is NOT. They are parting ways with the viewer.

I hope this makes sense to most of you.

Once again, I believe this piece is very well crafted, and the composition and contrast decisions support and enhance the mood. Great job!

OZOZOZ
05-25-2006, 10:46 PM
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thank you all for your comments and critique. i appreciate your advise. according to the discussion caused by contradictive impressions from my new composition i'd like to explain some general points to make my idea more clear. on the first variant the movement in the composition goes on the almost straight line though the child's hand and the tribe to the light over horizon (pic.A)- it helps to show the movement forward, but it is NOT the aim of my work. my target is to show the feelings of the child who abandones the homeplace. i've written about it in some my previous posts. so that the emphasis of the composition structure lays on the girl's face and a wolf cub. to make the dramatic mood of the HARD journey (but it is still optimistic - the light under the clouds) i've decided to flip the composition. in this case movement line goes from right to left through the hand, than througt the head and weaves to hte horizon (pic.B). this change separates the girl from the general movement of the others (in the previous image she is a part of it)but she still depends on them. she hesitates to leave or not, newertheless she will follow them in any case.

ekah
05-25-2006, 10:58 PM
Hello, I apologize for chiming a bit late. The illustration is beautiful. The girl and the wolf are lovely.

Thank you for your explanation on your decision for the "flipped" layout. However, I respectfully disagree and prefer the layout A. It just flows better for me, and it has nothing to do with cultural thing about left-to-right or vice verse. The girl would look hesitant about leaving regardless because she is still looking back.

In any case, it's just nitpicking. ;) Good luck.

OZOZOZ
05-25-2006, 11:21 PM
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...Ancient times. the place where this small girl's born is frozen by the cold winds and poor for food. mammoths, the sourse of the thibes being, have left seeking for better lands. people have to abandone this place too. the girl has to follow the family and she is sorrow to leave her home going to unknown lands. embracing her only friend, a small wolf cub, she is almost ready to leave but she stopped for a moment to see the birthplace for the last time. she is sad and intrigued at the same time, because the journey is going to be hard, but extremely interesting - new life, new adventures... the wolf cub is cold and frightened a bit, this is his first time leaving home too to something he can't even imagine.

adrianis
05-26-2006, 07:12 PM
Hi! I love your illustration!, the mood, the cute face and I like a lot the composition, I'm not an expert, but IMHO I feel it's more dynamic. (b~_^)b

OZOZOZ
05-27-2006, 12:45 PM
thank you all for yuor replies! :bounce:comments and critique are still more than wellcome! good luck everyone with this challenge! :)

May-lea
05-27-2006, 01:08 PM
Oh that cub is so cute, I love that picture :) Now you're asking for critics and comments, I'd just like to ask where the light is coming from exactly. On the cub's eyes the light comes from the right, but the girl's arm is dark, and in her eyes the light comes from the left. And from what I see the environment light comes from behind her anyway. But then I always have the same problems in my pictures, you never really know where the light comes from so feel free to ignore that comment ^^.

Good luck anyway! :)
(And once she's done with the cub I wanna hug it too ;) )

OZOZOZ
05-28-2006, 07:44 PM
thanks for critique! i hope my first image on CG challenge is not the worst thing you've ever seen in your life :) ! i've had fun painting this piece and watching your work prosses as well. good luck with the resoults!:bounce:

May-lea
05-28-2006, 07:56 PM
Nah don't worry your piece is really great :thumbsup: ^^. And the almighty combination snow+wolf cub gets my vote :)
May the choices of the judges be favourable to you ^^

OZOZOZ
05-28-2006, 08:03 PM
thank for optimistic post! :bounce: you inspire me to work and work for some next challenge!:)

CoreyArtE
05-28-2006, 10:35 PM
thanks for critique! i hope my first image on CG challenge is not the worst thing you've ever seen in your life :) ! i've had fun painting this piece and watching your work prosses as well. good luck with the resoults!:bounce:

It was a pleasure : )

OZOZOZ
05-29-2006, 03:27 PM
thanks!:) my pleasure!

anzibon
05-30-2006, 10:45 AM
DELICIOUS!!

can't believe i never noticed this one coming along.
so disappointed. love it.

congrats,
~B

OZOZOZ
05-30-2006, 07:38 PM
hi,anzibon! the reason is, i suppose, that it is my first entry in this forum and here are no people i'm familiar with.

oco
05-30-2006, 10:56 PM
Nice execution there buddy. Very soft style, a wet on wet sort of effect, bearly a hard egde to be seen. Suits the mood very well. look forward to seeing more of your work. Good luck with the judgeing mate.

See you in the next challange!

notpill
05-31-2006, 08:32 AM
Finally your compositions choice result the best vision. Well done :thumbsup:
The final pics its so intense.

Good luck.

OZOZOZ
06-02-2006, 06:56 AM
hi guys! thank for your reflections! i'm glad you like the composition!:)

webbrage
06-04-2006, 07:23 PM
I love the use of color in this work...

OZOZOZ
06-30-2006, 07:58 PM
oh, at last it is almost the end of the long waiting for the resoults of the challange! i wish you all good luck!

thanks to all of the people who were wathcing my working process!:bounce:

notpill
07-01-2006, 06:49 AM
yeah, the end of the loooongest month of the year:wise:.

goodluck to ya andrew:thumbsup:

OnoTadaki
07-10-2006, 02:37 AM
I really enjoyed your image. The colours are composition are great and I really like your brush stroke texturing, it's very oil/acrylic feeling and very fresh on the digital medium. The hands down best thing about this image has got to be the eyes. They are alive and very emotive.

As for criticism to make the piece better. There's not much I could say that I don't like. I really liked your use of field of view with the travellers blurring into the distance. The woman in the foreground is really pulled to your view and focus, especially her over exageratted eyes. Though I found the grass patch to the left was very white, bright and crisp and it distracted my eye a little bit from the girl. Possibly a little of the same field of view effect you used around the piece there might pull away from that area. That's stretching to find something though hehe.

Thank you for posting!

Oh yeah! Could you possibly quickly explain or detail your design/drawing process and the applications and brushes used ;) I really like the feeling of your piece!

Keep up the great work!

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