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OniricCreative
02-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Loris Stavrinides is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=9835)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: Woman coloring
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1143909289_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3411321#post3411321)

OniricCreative
02-28-2006, 06:56 PM
Yeeah!! My first CGChallenge!! Hope in turns out well!!

OniricCreative
02-28-2006, 09:01 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141160494_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141160494_large.jpg)

My first concept sketch. The idea is simple... a child's training journey begins for becoming a great warrior.

MVDB
02-28-2006, 09:04 PM
Good luck Loris_!

OniricCreative
02-28-2006, 09:55 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141163709_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141163709_large.jpg)

A quick sketch of the set.

OniricCreative
02-28-2006, 09:58 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141163882_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141163882_large.jpg)

A sketch of the woman. I decided to change her pose a bit.

michael-olszak
03-01-2006, 12:27 PM
Lookin good there. very interesting.
i'll be looking into this thread from time to time.


cheers and good luck.

OniricCreative
03-01-2006, 12:29 PM
Lookin good there. very interesting.
i'll be looking into this thread from time to time.


cheers and good luck.

thanks Michael!!

KangarooMan
03-01-2006, 04:06 PM
Hi there, thank you very much for posting on my thread. :) I really like the way you are working on your characters' design, they look great! Best of luck to you. :thumbsup:

Matt :)

OniricCreative
03-01-2006, 04:25 PM
Hi there, thank you very much for posting on my thread. :) I really like the way you are working on your characters' design, they look great! Best of luck to you. :thumbsup:

Matt :)

Thanks matt. still early stages. Have a lot of way to go. !! ;)

OniricCreative
03-01-2006, 11:39 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141256379_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141256379_large.jpg)

Another quick sketch. Still trying to see how the overall setup of the image will be.

michael-olszak
03-02-2006, 09:17 AM
hey Loris. I think your going in the right direction.
I'll be checkin in frequently.

Keep up the good work.

OniricCreative
03-02-2006, 09:48 AM
hey Loris. I think your going in the right direction.
I'll be checkin in frequently.

Keep up the good work.

thanks mate for the feedback. I can realy use some comments at this stage before proceeding more with the idea.

MichaelZHsee
03-02-2006, 10:00 AM
hie loris~i actually prefer ur 1st sketch but with the backpack of the last one for the girl.wish u luck my friend:)

OniricCreative
03-02-2006, 10:24 AM
Thanks sh@ke.



The idea that I'm trying to develop is to show the beginning of the journey of a child to becoming a warrior, training of course by his mother warrior. Is all metaphors actually. The child is full of life and excitement for this journey, being innocent and fighting with the small butterflies, thinking that those are harmless creatures and not being aware of the big dangers surrounding him… like the eagles flying in the background and trying to attack them. But his mother, a strong ‘warrior’ is next to him for protection through all the dangers that will come through this journey. That’s why I changed her first pose to the one in the last sketch, having her being in ‘alert’ mode!!! :) hehe

I’m trying to show the contrast between them.

Is it better now that I explained the reason or I should go for the first pose?


The overall idea is a simple metaphor of everybody’s journey in life through a fantasy theme.

The backpack in the last one is really quick and draft without any details added but I was thinking having it as the first sketch. I had weapons added in the backpack in the first sketch trying to show that they might be needing a lot of ‘help’ to face the dangers in their journey.


Well, that’s the basic idea. So I’d like your guy’s input on this. Do you like it? Any suggestions? Any changes?


Any kind of comments will be helpful at this stage. Thanks a lot!! :)

Pawlack
03-02-2006, 01:58 PM
This is very nice idea. I think it would be better to show back of thic couple, and -thatks to this- show the road before them, not after them.

Good luck ;)

R-K
03-02-2006, 09:12 PM
right now it says: "leaving home". You might want to give a nudge to destination, though I like the expression and relationship of the characters. However, like I said it's more of "leaving home" pic than "Journey begins" even though they are relatively close to eachother.

OniricCreative
03-02-2006, 11:40 PM
Thanks Pawlack and Ranath for the replies!!

Ranath, isn't "leaving home" still the begining of a new journey?
For me the destination of these two characters is unknown. I could show a path of from where they are coming from but the real "begining" is for the young child who is still young to face teh dangers surounding. However, I know the picture doesn't really show that so I'm thinking if I can't show the destination, atleast I should show where they are coming from. Or does it not matter? Anybody have any inputs on this? Any other ideas?
Thanks! :wavey:

slickgreekgeo
03-03-2006, 09:51 PM
Nice concepts, looking forward to see how this develops.

OniricCreative
03-04-2006, 10:34 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141511646_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141511646_large.jpg)

Another sketch of the characters.

MVDB
03-04-2006, 10:42 PM
Hiya Loris!

ehh.. hope that's a wooden swort, the little boy is holding? :D

The concept sounds pretty good to me.. especialy with the wildlife in the background and the butterfly harmless foreground..

Maybe it's an idea, to let the woman be his mother, standing a bit in the back waving the boy(s) off. The boy is with an older brother leaving the path... Just some thoughts.. ;)

OniricCreative
03-04-2006, 10:50 PM
Hey michael. Thanks for the feedback mate. Well, I'm thinking the sword will be real for the little boy to show the contrast between the inocence of him and butterflies. Also, is supposed to be an upcoming warrior!! hehe :) Will it be inapropriate?
And the idea is that the mother is guiding him through this journey for protection and guidance so if I have her saying farewell then the concept changes entirely!! :)

calisto-lynn
03-05-2006, 12:59 AM
wow!! this is a nice idea!! i love your sketches!!:D

bandro
03-05-2006, 07:22 AM
Very good concept a mother worried about her child and the surroundings, her son distracted by a butterfly lost in his innocence

keep up:thumbsup:

OniricCreative
03-05-2006, 11:46 AM
Calisto (love ur nick :) ), bandro ... thanks for the comments. I'm working on the environment now, I'll post anything new as soon as possible. ;)

OniricCreative
03-05-2006, 03:36 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141572998_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141572998_large.jpg)

Quick sketches trying to see how the overall composition will be like. I'll be adding some creatures as well.

OniricCreative
03-05-2006, 05:20 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141579229_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141579229_large.jpg)

A better sketch of the entire scene.

calisto-lynn
03-05-2006, 06:06 PM
Calisto (love ur nick :))
thank you so much!!:D

waaaa i love the enviroment!! it looks so beautiful, especially the birds, and the trees... they are so elegant! i cant wait to see it coloured!! :applause:

slickgreekgeo
03-05-2006, 06:44 PM
I'm glad you took your time with the concept sketch instead of rushing to the painting, as your most recent sketch is crazy good. Keep it up!

OniricCreative
03-05-2006, 07:59 PM
Thanks George and Linda for the comments!! :)
I want to focus on the details and get this piece right so I'm taking my time with it. No rush, we have plenty of time before the competition ends!! ;)

norvman
03-05-2006, 08:10 PM
Man o man! nice concept work... I really like your character development

Nice and loose to start with...

experiementing with color a little bit...

the Concept it self is looking really good too...

:thumbsup:

OniricCreative
03-05-2006, 08:22 PM
norvman, thanks for the great comments!! Keeps me going :)

calisto-lynn
03-06-2006, 08:07 PM
yeah, you're right, there's no rush, a little less than 3 months left...so take your time, your piece is developing beautifully, and we are a bit unpatient :D cheers! keep up the great work!:D

OniricCreative
03-06-2006, 09:54 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141682059_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141682059_large.jpg)

Fixed some details on the characters and changed a bit the pose of the young boy! What do you guys think? I'll continue with the environment since I want to do a second composition of it to see how it looks like.

rynosseros
03-07-2006, 05:00 AM
Hey Loris_

The key theme of the challenge is to portray the emotions of a (small) character, so I reckon you could be on a winner with this one....

DeeVad
03-07-2006, 05:45 AM
Hi Loris_,
Firstly, I'm happy to could take time to read your WIP completly. ( It's the minimum I should done for one my more present and best advicer ).
Your idea is a great approach of this challenge, and I hope you will not change it. The last sketch is technicaly good, I just show you thats the boy could have a biger head ( a few few few scale up of 1 millimeters may be ), and you should work on the arms. It will be your first focus point, and many eyes will judge your techniques on the first sight here. It one of anatomical challenge for you ! The girl have a good wearing design, but little boy don't have yet a wearing design. May be it could be good if is shirt was a bit big, big medals around neck , big belt and shoes more simple ( I think in fantasy children are always weared with the piece of their parents wears, to large , and may be it cost to do beautifull shoes for children , that's why they often had naked foot ). For the girl I have nothing to say ! looks perfect.
Now for your background, all the "bad guys" ( sorry my vocabulary ) , looks at the mother. Why not ? she is more visible, but dramaticly it should be better to have more "bad trees" on the left, aiming their sight on the little boy. ( there is one for the moment on left, this one is very good. ).
The other way is to make your focus point with colors, and I thought this. So you can keep your background composition if you go on this way.
Taadddaaaaa !
I hope my advice are as good for you , than yours are to me. ( may be mine will be boring/too long to read , oups !!! ).
Good work ! I'll B back ;)

MVDB
03-07-2006, 07:15 AM
I agree Loris!
stick to the concept, it's good I think!
I was just thinking out loud.. :shrug:
The mother is looking foxy, nice line art..

keep it up.. :thumbsup:

OniricCreative
03-07-2006, 09:02 AM
Wow. some great feedback here!! :)

rynosseros: thanks for the cooment!! :)
Michael: thanks dude, I'm glad you like the mother!! ;) hehe
David : Well, thank you so much for the great feedback. I agree with everything you said. Very helpful and I'll work on all of your comments. Thanks again!!! :)

NOOB!
03-07-2006, 09:12 AM
hey,nice concept keep at it!

elgrozni
03-07-2006, 12:38 PM
nice sketches :)

michael-olszak
03-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Lookin good man. keep it up. this will be a good one.

OniricCreative
03-07-2006, 07:39 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141760376_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141760376_large.jpg)

Another quick sketch. This time I worked on the boy a bit more cause i didn't liked his face and pose. I'm not really good on drawing children so this is a bit of a challenge for me. I added few details on his clothes based on suggestion by David (more will be added later), and I removed the dagger from his hand. Some friends gave me some good feedback and I decided is more apropriate for my concept not to have a sword on his hand to loose his aggressiveness and have him being more innocent in contrast with the surroundings. I still need to work on his proportions, especially his hands; and also his face, cause now it feels a bit too cartoonic, but I'm thinking once I start painting I'll manage to fix that ! :)

OniricCreative
03-07-2006, 10:24 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141770291_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141770291_large.jpg)

Worked a bit on the composition. I think I prefer this one. Is very draft and quick but I scaled down the characters a bit for more dramatic proportions with the environment. I will not have any birds because I want the dangers in the surroundings to be less obvious. So I'll be having subtle faces looking at them and maybe very small creatures on the trees. In that way I show that the mother not only sees but also senses dangers that are not so obvious to the eyes of the child, who is being so innocent playing around with the butterflies in this beginning of his journey. I'm also planning to have the background where is the "town" to be more colourful in contrast with the foreground where the trees are which will be more dark and moody. The metaphor in this is that their starting point, which we can say is the birth of the boy, is a lively and happy occasion; but through their journey, life, not everything is as happy and nice. :)

Anyway, here is my question on this latest update to anyone who is kind enough to visit my thread:

Please, could you let me know if the "size" of the boy next to the mother is good or does he needs to be bigger?

Thank you all for reading this!!

rynosseros
03-08-2006, 04:58 AM
Hey Loris_

I'd say the size of the boy was about right. If he was any older (bigger) he probably would be more focused on the dangers around him rather than the butterflies. Just my opinion!

OniricCreative
03-08-2006, 09:29 AM
Hey Loris_

I'd say the size of the boy was about right. If he was any older (bigger) he probably would be more focused on the dangers around him rather than the butterflies. Just my opinion!

thanks rynosseros, thats a good point you have there! :)

Yone
03-08-2006, 01:27 PM
Hey Loris this is my first post on the forum. So its all for you.

I like the theme for the drawing it definatly was a good idea to drop the knife in the kids hand and have him just chasing the butterflies.

I think the proportion of the characters is ok from one to another hieght wise. I think the kids arms look too musseled up. I'd either try to slim them or not make them so muscular.

Composition it looks good but I think maybe the characters should be smaller in comparison to the background, to make the forest and their surroundings tower up over the characters and seem more menacing.

I like the pose of the mother watching out for dangers. Maybe the back foot shoulld be a little higher to deepen her stride. Also I think it would be better to see more of the arm that holds the sword. Now its hidden behind her body it would strengthen the pose to see the forearm and the tight grip on the sword ready to swing to kill at any moment.

Keep work on it and I'll keep you posted.
Best wishes.

KangarooMan
03-08-2006, 03:22 PM
Hey there Loris, excellent updates! :buttrock: I like the composition a lot. The addition of the faces along the way gives a nice fairytale-esque look to the image. Have you thought about maybe giving her a bow and quiver on her back as opposed to the additional swords so that she'd have a range attack as well?

Matt :)

OniricCreative
03-08-2006, 03:30 PM
Thanks matt for the comments!!I'll keep in mind the bow ;)

Ravena
03-08-2006, 05:04 PM
Hi Loris,

I love your great, moodful character sketches! *subscribe* I am strained, as it continues to go. Wish you much luck and fun.

Ciao,
Ravena

Slav
03-08-2006, 05:25 PM
very cool idea. just wondering if you can expand the image a bit. everything looks clustered. and i dont know about the bird's eye view. i dont like it. nice composition though. keep it up.

OniricCreative
03-08-2006, 08:58 PM
Yone: my mate, thanks so much for the comments!! I see your points and I agree, I'll work on it!! ;)

Ravena: Thank you so much!! I hope to see you around, as you will see me around on yours ;)!!! hehe

Slav: Thanks for posting!! I dont really get what you mean by the birds eye view and that I should expand the image a bit. If you read this, could you expain in more details. i'll appreciate it!! thank you!!!

MichaelCTY
03-08-2006, 11:41 PM
this is a sweet theme,shows great with the relationship and the boy, but I feel a little sad ,Just dun know y

SINAD
03-09-2006, 10:09 AM
Hi your work look very classic but i love it a lot. :thumbsup:

OniricCreative
03-09-2006, 10:58 AM
Thanks Sinad & Michael!! :)

OniricCreative
03-09-2006, 09:19 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141939156_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1141939156_large.jpg)

Fix some details and made them a bit smaller. I'm happy with the results at this point so now is time to start adding some colors!! :D

calisto-lynn
03-09-2006, 09:22 PM
beautifull! great perspective..it really looks like they came a long way, and they have even more to go...:D

Ravena
03-09-2006, 10:30 PM
Hi Loris,

I look already continuously here and wait for the Coloring. :)
Then, I'm going with calisto: great perspective! And I think, the two has many adventures before itself.

At this point, nothing to crit. Keep up the good work ...

Ciao,
Alessa

OniricCreative
03-09-2006, 10:59 PM
Thanks Linda and Alessandra, once again!! :)

TheFightingGoddess
03-09-2006, 11:13 PM
**subscribed**

I'think that's a simply great work!

Just one cue:
don't you think that a branchlet-butterflies playing could be a more "innocent" reference,
than a sword or bow can be, to the battles that the boy will face during his growing-up? :shrug:

Keep up! :bounce:
Cheers

OniricCreative
03-09-2006, 11:27 PM
Great!! A new subscriber. thank you soo much!! :):)
However, I didnt really understand your question above. What do you mean exactly?
thanks again for replying!! :)

rblitz7
03-09-2006, 11:33 PM
OMG nice concept!:buttrock:

TheFightingGoddess
03-09-2006, 11:47 PM
Great!! A new subscriber. thank you soo much!! :):)
However, I didnt really understand your question above. What do you mean exactly?
thanks again for replying!! :)

Well..I read about different ideas for the (eventual) tool kept by the little boy;
so I thought that his fighting spirit might be revealed by the handling of a branchlet used to simulate a funny battle with the butterflies....
Did you ever make believe to walk on the moon in tha backyard or to be a great scientist lading some water from a glass to another when you were a child? I mean this...more or less..

If what I said is not clear again tell it to me (and I'll try to say it in other words).....otherwise,bypass this my post! :blush: :p

bandro
03-10-2006, 07:37 AM
mmm i dont think its a good idea to keep their house in the background because it gives a security to them (its near at every moment they can go back there) i think its better to depict them lost in the forest

OniricCreative
03-10-2006, 09:04 AM
rblitz7: Thanks you!!! :buttrock:

Maria: Now I get it (after I looked the word branchlet in the dictionary! :blush:) hehe! thanks a lot for the suggestion. Apriciate it. I decided to keep him holding nothing just so I'll avoid showing any "bad" thoughts in his mind regarding to the butterflies. Having him just playing around with his hands is a natural and inocent move to do so I feel is more apropriate. Do u agree? ANyway, thanks.. I hope I see u around here often ;)

bandro: Thanks for the comment. Don't you think if i loose the house then the picture will loose the entire "begining" to the journey? I think it will feel like the journey has allready started and is in the middle and not in the begining. What do u say?
I also left it so that I'll show a nice colorful and comfortable place that represents the birth of the child because is the starting point where they are leaving from. in that way I want to show the contrast in life.

:)

TheFightingGoddess
03-10-2006, 10:51 AM
Maria: Now I get it (after I looked the word branchlet in the dictionary! :blush:) hehe! thanks a lot for the suggestion. Apriciate it. I decided to keep him holding nothing just so I'll avoid showing any "bad" thoughts in his mind regarding to the butterflies. Having him just playing around with his hands is a natural and inocent move to do so I feel is more apropriate. Do u agree? ANyway, thanks.. I hope I see u around here often
It's a good choice for me too!
Have you decided yet in which moment of the day the characters are?
It might be the early morning...as, in a parallelism, early is childhood in regard to life...
Just a suggestion :D
bandro: Thanks for the comment. Don't you think if i loose the house then the picture will loose the entire "begining" to the journey? I think it will feel like the journey has allready started and is in the middle and not in the begining. What do u say?
I also left it so that I'll show a nice colorful and comfortable place that represents the birth of the child because is the starting point where they are leaving from.
I agree with you in toto!
See you soon! ;)

OniricCreative
03-10-2006, 10:58 AM
Heh.. thanks Maria again. :) Yeah, the early morning time could work. I'll try it now that I'm working on the colors. Thanks. And I'm glad you agree about not loosing the house. :)

TheFightingGoddess
03-10-2006, 11:15 AM
mmm i dont think its a good idea to keep their house in the background because it gives a security to them (its near at every moment they can go back there) i think its better to depict them lost in the forest
I think it's polite to answer to you too....
Not only the house represent "the beginning element" in the image,but I also think that the distance from the house is in a sense proportional to the distance of the boy from birth...
For this,I think the house should be firmly there! :)
Maria

DeeVad
03-11-2006, 03:27 PM
Hello Loris,

Your composition and scaling down characters look great, it will become a more big illustration with may be more work on but surely a future great picture.
The size of the boy is great, but I still find he have a little head : this make him adult proportion in little, may be you should scale up only the face. A children as him should have 5 head hight and a adult sized head, I think.
About the "tree face" , it can be to much symmetrical if they have the same expression from one side to the other one. But I'm sure you will find a great idea to arrange it in future. I will wait your next step. Have a great work, you progress greatly .

- David

OniricCreative
03-11-2006, 07:03 PM
Hey David... thanks a lot for the comments! I'll work on the face of the boy !! ;) The trees will see how it goes after I'll start laying down some coloring, Cheers!

OniricCreative
03-11-2006, 07:40 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1142106052_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1142106052_large.jpg)

Quick color sketching to try and get the mood. I try to keep it more moody with subtle contrast and soft coloring, avoiding at this point too much black. I also try not to end up with 2 very different 'layers' in the picture (background and forest), to show the perspective, but instead I'm try to have them blend nicely together and in the same time keeping that depth and perspective.... if I'm making any sense!! :D
Anyway, is time to proceed with the colors more carefully now. I'll update soon.

norvman
03-11-2006, 09:25 PM
Wow! really shaping up nice...

Speaking of black....

I think your darkest darks in the forground are about as dark as you should get using the colors that you've got there... That way you can accually use some really black blacks to do some detail work inside those shadows a bit...

Man it looks good...

:thumbsup:

OniricCreative
03-11-2006, 10:12 PM
Cheers Norvell. I totaly agree with you on the black. Thanks for the suggestion.

Chinasky
03-12-2006, 01:00 AM
Hi Loris!
When I saw Your sketch two days ago, I thought, the Boy with the dagger in his hand was a very good Idea. So now I'm a little sorry You did steel it away. ;)
Now he's just catching for the butterflys, wich seems a little "kitschy" (don't know the english expression, sorry!) to me. Little boys like to kick against flowers along their way or "fight" against small animals. So they are training for their adult life. I liked the idea, that both charakters hold a "sword" in their hand - but for the boy it's just a funny game, while for the woman it's serious.
However - just keep the dagger-idea in mind, it's only a little detail, so You quickly could add it again in a later step, if You like.

MichaelCTY
03-12-2006, 01:46 AM
wow ,nice to see you started with colouring, great being ,keep it up man,wanna see more

OniricCreative
03-12-2006, 09:27 AM
Thanks Michael.:)

Chinasky: Thanks a lot for the reply!! I'm getting confuesd now!! :sad::shrug:

Should I keep the dagger in his hand or not?

I still have the dagger placed in his waist, but I removed it from the hand so I will not have any bad thoughts in his mind. If you think about it, his mother will not let him playing around with a dagger at that age. But she did gave him the dagger for protection and told him to keep it safe around his waist and only use it if nessesary.

I'd like to see more people's opinion on this if is possible.

Thanks :)

rynosseros
03-13-2006, 05:16 AM
Hey Loris_

Personally I'd suggest that if you want the boy to be armed, make him older and possibly more protective of his mother. If you want the boy to still be focussed on the butterflies rather than the potential dangers around him, leave the boy as he is....

DeeVad
03-13-2006, 05:27 AM
Hi Loris,
Happy to see some colors in your thread. For my opinion about "dagger or not? ", I liked the idea of the boy with the dagger playing with butterflies (even cutting one butterflies ). This was remember me a bit of "innocent cruel action" kids can make sometimes. I think mother say him to take is dagger in hand, cause their is danger. But him, too young experiment it on the first creature around him; butterflies.
Without, it beautifull but less interresting , for my opinion. I'm sure their is a third way to the ask of "dagger or not?".
Good luck to find it :)
-David

slickgreekgeo
03-13-2006, 05:31 AM
Nice work on the colors, very well done.

OniricCreative
03-13-2006, 09:20 AM
slickgreekgeo... thanks for the comment.

rynosseros, DeeVad... Thanks a lot for the feedback. I see your points, but both really different. At the begining I wanted to have the dagger just to show the contrast of the kid being inoccent and not being aware of what is right and wrong. In the other hand, I dont want this painting to reflect anything negative by placing in the boys hand a dagger. I also want to keep the boy innocent. Is a fine line.

What will you guys say if I do place a dagger but I have it as a wooden one?

I hope I get to see more peoples opinion on this "dagger or not" issue!!
Thank you all.

Yone
03-13-2006, 09:50 AM
Loris forget the dagger!

Its not a key part of the illustration.:wise: Peoples feed back is just a thought that is different from yours and that you may or not agree with. What is important is that you do what you feel is right in your work.

I'd say a mother would never let her child play with knives, but that doesn't mean that I'm right. My advice would be think about what is going to improve your concept. If he has a dagger in his belt or in his hand doesn't change the overall story.

Its nice to see some colour. I love those tones in the background. I thnik you should have some buildings or a village in hills of the background, to see what the characters have left behind. I would think about using colder colours for the forest you could build up a good contrast between the forgrount and the background and make the forest look more dangerous.

I'd take some time to reference Knotted wood and try to make the faces in the trees be an actual part of the wood.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: two thumbs up for you, keep at it the progress is looking good.

OniricCreative
03-13-2006, 10:41 AM
Yone, thanks mate for the good advise. I'll stick to what you said. I'll have a hard thought of what I feel is right for my concept and the message I want to pass and I'll stick to that!! heh.. this confusion always happens once you start getting lots of feedbacks. But anyway, I'll do what I feel is right for my work.
Thanks for the feedback on the colors. This is just a draft. I'm still working on the colors more carefully now to get the tones and mood that I want. yes, on the background there will be the town or village that they are leaving from, as i have it in my sketches. I' also want the contrast between background and forest but still nicely blend so I'll work on the colors. And I agree that the faces on the trees will be part of the wood so it will not be too obvious. thats the idea ;) Thanks again mate.

OniricCreative
03-14-2006, 09:55 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1142373318_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1142373318_large.jpg)

Still in sketching mode. I've worked more on the lights and shadows and a bit in the color mood. Plus I needed to start sketching those trees to start forming them. The faces will come later. The characters are still in brownish colors at this point to get the form, lights and shadows of them but I'll be having richer colors when I start working on them more carefully. So in the rest of the composition but at this point I needed to get the base colors first. :)

sloth79
03-15-2006, 07:04 AM
looking very good with all the concept, lightings and all.

all the best mate~ cheers :thumbsup:

DeeVad
03-15-2006, 07:23 AM
Hi Loris,
Happy to see your work evolve step by step, and surely. The last one is good cause the foreground start to detach well of the background by light/dark value. Take care of the saturation too, cause I see the green of vegetation is more satured in background than in foreground. Saturation often attract the eyes, and put object to foreground. But it can a great way to focal viewer on your start house. Great !

slickgreekgeo
03-17-2006, 11:03 AM
I really dig what you're doing with the lightning effects. It should be very dynamic if you can pull it off correctly, which I'm sure you're more than capable of. Looking forward to more, keep up the good work.

calisto-lynn
03-17-2006, 01:13 PM
great work loris!! nice update..im happy to finally see some colours from you...

yus one small suggestion. to make things more belivable, try to put more colours into it, for instance, a bit of olive green on the trees (the fungi, plants which grow on it, weed and such), as well as a bit of warm brown-red tones here and there, but only in small amounts..playing with opposed colours may add a better effect...just a suggestion...i know you'll 2work more on it!cant wait for more! cheers!!

OniricCreative
03-17-2006, 01:19 PM
sloth79: Thanks a lot mate!!

DeeVad: Thanks dude. Yeap, I dont want to have too much saturation going on so I'll defenately will not have that saturated green in teh background. Is just a quick sketch I havent worked on that part yet.

slickgreekgeo: Thanks mate!!

calisto: Thanks a lot. Yes, I'll have more colors on it for sure. I just needed the base colors firts for lights and shadows. Thanks for the suggestion about the opposite colors.

Thank you all for keep visiting. :wavey: I apriciate the support.

kidster
03-17-2006, 07:56 PM
Great sketches doode ! keep it this way ! Good luck ! I'll keep an eye on ya !:scream:

JacquesPena
03-19-2006, 05:08 PM
Great Sketch..Really great. I love the idea of the female warrior and child. Really sense the "Journey" and then some. Keep it up.:)

OniricCreative
03-20-2006, 10:49 AM
-KiD-, Sleepinglion ... thanks for the comments!! :)

OniricCreative
03-26-2006, 10:05 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1143410706_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1143410706_large.jpg)

Is taking so slow for me. So many things to do. I'm currently very busy so not as much time as I was hoping to focus on this challenge. I will be finishing this at some point, but I just hope will be on time before the deadline. Anyway, just uploading a snap shot to show that I'm still working on it, but slowly. At the moment I'm focusing on the characters, since are the most important parts of the painting. After getting this right then I'll be more comfortable continuing with the rest. There are a lot of details that I want to add on the characters, but at this point I'm focusing on the main colors and forms. I know is not much and not much progress at this point but any C&C are welcome.

individium
03-26-2006, 10:25 PM
i expect good thing from your work, your figures are good. it will need a detailed background but im sure you have ideas on it.

good luck
peace

OniricCreative
04-01-2006, 04:34 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1143909289_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9835/9835_1143909289_large.jpg)

Just finished working on the face for the woman character. Took me some time to get it right but I think I'm happy with it. Now I'll continue with the hair and the rest of the body and then move on to the boy.

DeeVad
04-01-2006, 04:44 PM
Hey great close up ! Happy to see the quality of your rendering. Good work :beer:

OniricCreative
04-01-2006, 04:52 PM
i expect good thing from your work, your figures are good. it will need a detailed background but im sure you have ideas on it.

good luck
peace

hey individium. thanks for the comments!! yeah, a detailed background is on the way!! :D

OniricCreative
04-01-2006, 04:52 PM
Hey great close up ! Happy to see the quality of your rendering. Good work :beer:

heh.. cheers mate!!! :D :beer:

Nigio
04-01-2006, 05:03 PM
Pretty face. I like the swords too. Keep it up.

OniricCreative
04-01-2006, 05:48 PM
Thanks Nigio!!

Gord-MacDonald
04-01-2006, 09:26 PM
wow - very good work - great drawing, colour, painting.

Gord

OniricCreative
04-01-2006, 09:43 PM
thanks Gord!! :)

KangarooMan
04-01-2006, 09:58 PM
Hey there Loris, I see I missed a lot of great updates, excellent work! :buttrock:

Matt :)

OniricCreative
04-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Hey there Loris, I see I missed a lot of great updates, excellent work! :buttrock:

Matt :)

hehe.. thanks dude for keeping an eye!! we haven't see any updates from your side for some time now. what's going on mate?!! i hope ur still working on it! :)

Minnhagen
04-02-2006, 08:25 PM
Nice work and idea! I like metaphorical interpretations of the "Journey Begins" theme. Life is a journey, it's a powerful metaphor which gives an artist a chance to try to say something about the human condition. I think this image can do that.The woman's wary expression is great, looking forward to see how you'll treat the background!

OniricCreative
04-03-2006, 08:53 AM
hey Thanks Mat for the comments!! :)

Pat-Piper
04-03-2006, 09:11 AM
Hi Loris....I really like your concept and drawing. The story of it reminded me (sorry for that, I know some artists do not like to hear that) of the beautiful story of the Irish warrior princess Aoifa and her son Conlai. I know you probably have your own story and that's wonderful too, I just thought I'd share that with you. Keep up good work! :)

OniricCreative
04-03-2006, 12:06 PM
Hi Loris....I really like your concept and drawing. The story of it reminded me (sorry for that, I know some artists do not like to hear that) of the beautiful story of the Irish warrior princess Aoifa and her son Conlai. I know you probably have your own story and that's wonderful too, I just thought I'd share that with you. Keep up good work! :)

Hi Patrick. Thanks for the comments mate. I don't mind that my work reminded you a specific story other than mine. It's nice to know that and I'm really curious on that story you are refering to so it will be really nice if you could let me know it as well!!! :) thanks!

Pat-Piper
04-03-2006, 12:39 PM
Thanks Loris....yes, I remembered the story well because it has a sad ending. And your image of mother and son really touches that for me. It's a Celtic legend that I read.

The story is something like this:

Aoifa was an Irish warrior princess in the Land of Shadows. Her sister was Scathach, the instructor and mother-in-law of the Ulster hero, Cuchulainn. But when the sisters went to war, Scathach was afraid to take Cuchulainn with her, fearing that her sister might kill him in a duel. But undeterred by Aoifa's reputation as a fighter, Cuchulainn challenged her and won only out of cunning. Unfortunately, the two fell in love and Conlai was conceived. When Cuchulainn left, he gave Aoifa a ring, which she gave to Conlai. She also taught Conlai the ways of being a warrior. So years later, Conlai wore his ring and traveled to Ulster to challenge the local heroes. But like his father, he has a short temper and defeated Conall, Cuchulainn's foster brother. Cuchulainn answered by accepting the duel from the young lad, who was too proud to reveal his real identity. After many bouts, even though Cuchulainn was impressed by the sword-play which matched his own, he became furious when a lock of his hair was cut off by Conlai. Only when Cuchulainn saw the ring on his opponent's finger that he realized that he had killed his own son.

It was a long story and I tried my best to cut it short. hehe....hope u like it. :)

Again, nice story and image u have going there...good luck!

OniricCreative
04-03-2006, 08:44 PM
wow... thanks Patrick. I really like this story! Just like greek tragedies :D hehe... Thanks for sharing it with me. Is very inspiring and I can see why you remembered the story! Thanks again for your comments! :)

warpy
04-08-2006, 12:59 AM
heh, no journey behind this picture, but looks good :)

calisto-lynn
05-08-2006, 06:42 PM
wooow nice work loris, sorry for the late responce..i simply adore her face!!

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