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Koekebakker
02-28-2006, 03:56 PM
Geoffrey Cramm is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=9809)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: My "final" image --unfinished
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1148735085_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3585230#post3585230)

PSych
02-28-2006, 06:25 PM
Hi

Nice to see u again! :)

I wish u good luck

MVDB
02-28-2006, 06:27 PM
Hey Koekebakker !

Good luck and make this ride a good one! :thumbsup:

beelow
02-28-2006, 08:12 PM
Wassup nice to see that u have returned hehe, good luck!:thumbsup:

Koekebakker
03-06-2006, 02:33 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1141615991_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1141615991_large.jpg)

My first idea is a SALMON trying to swim up the river, looking ahead on a dangerous, challenging (and eventually unattainable) journey, with hungry bears and a massive waterfall on the background.

Although a fish isn't exactly a character full of emotions, I have to find a way to capture the desperate look of someone trying something impossible. ;)

MichaelZHsee
03-06-2006, 04:42 AM
this is gonna be good~especially the water splashing works!goodluck mate:)

artvandeley
03-06-2006, 05:17 AM
Wow,what a challenging idea! That´s the right spirit!

Nice start, keep it up.

Zycho
03-06-2006, 05:29 AM
Yeah, this could really come to be a nice one! Like sh@ke said, this could really look good if you manage to make the splashing water work!!

Waiting to see more.

MVDB
03-06-2006, 05:56 AM
Hey Geoffrey!
cool first concept!
These Journey's of salmon 'r' well known, brutal and extremely touph(dunno how to spell)
Waiting for more.. ;)

Koekebakker
03-06-2006, 04:20 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1141665644_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1141665644_large.jpg)

Thanks for the comments everyone. Here's a slightly altered version of the concept; adjustments made in composition and shape.

Not sure if this is the concept I'll be going for..I'll try some other things before I decide.

triumphant
03-06-2006, 05:12 PM
Great start geoffery :thumbsup:
The journey is tough for the salmon , there is lot of action involoved in your painting, with heavy waterfalls, water splashing, and the salmon to go against the waters , trying escape the bear .......
keep the great work going on... nice color palette, certainly a great sketch .... go on.. :thumbsup:

KahlanAmnell
03-06-2006, 05:19 PM
WOW.
This is a very good concept. This is something i would never have thought of.
Good luck

Tee Double U
03-06-2006, 05:26 PM
you wont ever be able to have expression in the fish enough to convey the emmotion,, BUT,, you can still force the viewer to feel the hopeless underpinnings of his situation by focusing on the obsticles in his way,,,, the energy of the water, the scope of the uphill battle,, and the bear,,, dont put a fish in his mouth,, that makes him already fed and less of a danger to the fish in the foreground which is ultimatley your focus for this piece

Koekebakker
03-06-2006, 06:24 PM
triumphant + Kahlan Amnell: thanks a lot! :)

Tee Double U: You're absolutely right, haven't thought of that :P thanks for the feedback.

yoitisi
03-06-2006, 06:31 PM
Hey great idea. Maybe you should make the fish a bit like the ones in the Nemo movie, so you can give them more of an expression. Also, I know this is just the sketch but the bear looks a bit weird to me :) more like a beaver or something. Its the head I think.

En is het niet 'koekenbakker' :D hehe

DoInferno
03-06-2006, 08:44 PM
Nice idea man!

Velarion
03-06-2006, 10:09 PM
nice idea!

dash2k4
03-06-2006, 11:23 PM
Wow, this is a great idea! Never imagined a salmon's journey to be a good concept, but after seeing your imagine, I think it works great! Love your big angle shot, too. Good luck!

only pony
03-07-2006, 07:57 PM
Great sketch!!! nice point of view. I'll keep an eye on you

MikeTheHunter
03-07-2006, 09:30 PM
We've come up with almost the same idea, I just wanted to use trouts :thumbsup: But I'm going away from the idea, so don't worry about us repeating each other's ideas :) Nice sketch, and you have a better compo :thumbsup: Keep it up. :bounce:

Koekebakker
03-07-2006, 09:42 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1141771360_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1141771360_large.jpg)

These are the lines that should help the image give a certain 'unity'.

The center circle includes a large part of the wild river, the head of the desperate fish and that of the hungry bear.
The outer circles are guidelines to other elements like rocks, splashing water, trees and branches that add to the composition structure.
Outside these circles (the corners of the image) I will use darker shades, almost black.

Koekebakker
03-07-2006, 09:45 PM
yoitisi: I prefer to go for a realistic style, this time. As far as the bear goes, I'll make sure to look at a few more references when I work out the shape. Oh, and yes, it probably is KoekeNbakker, but to avoid spelling problems I'll simply change it to "Koek" one day.. ;P

DoInferno, Velarion, dash2k4, MikeTheHunter: Thanks a lot everyone! And good luck to you too. :)

only pony: Hey Gerrit, thanks! Good to see you've entered the challenge again! :)

yoitisi
03-07-2006, 09:52 PM
hmm, im not sure I would use black in the corners, wouldn't it look like the viewer is looking through some hole or magnifying glasses (especially with this composition)?

Also, with this composition alone, the attention will be drawn inwards, towards the middle of the circles (instead of the fish) isn't it? I think there should be something to focus on there in that case.

Koekebakker
03-07-2006, 10:03 PM
Well, I don't exactly mean pure black ofcourse, just less light and contrast in those parts (especially the bottom- and top left, where shadowy rocks and trees fill up the space. I will make sure it isn't gonna look like a lens or something. Instead it should give a subtle claustrofobic, 'fish-eye' perspective feeling. Hopefully. :)

You're right about the attention being drawn into the very middle...Have to think of something for that. Thanks!

GonzaloGolpe
03-11-2006, 12:14 AM
Nice idea man, see ya over here!:thumbsup:

▒Zalo▒

MikeTheHunter
03-11-2006, 07:48 AM
In this kind of compo the attention is guided to the center of the image, indeed, but you could make the fish more important by makign it contrast more. The eye is always gong to the area of the greatest contrast. Try using it to accent the importance of the fish.

If that doesn't work - try apply the rule of thirds to it. It would require redoing a part of compo, but could work better. Have fun with it.

Koekebakker
03-11-2006, 03:03 PM
Thanks Mike, I'll try a bunch of composition rules to try 'n make it work. It's about time I learned all the ins and outs about these basic rules. Usually I just start scribbling without paying any serious attention to it. :P

Koekebakker
03-14-2006, 02:40 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1142307609_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1142307609_large.jpg)

Getting to know a salmon... :]

am7
03-14-2006, 08:44 AM
Nice concept! are you going for "realistic" shading etc. or more cartoony? Keep us updated. :)

Overchord
03-14-2006, 11:03 AM
Fantastic idea - Really great idea :thumbsup:

It would be cool to have another slamon further in the background trying to make the leap up the waterfall - that would signal that some make it past the bear as well :D

Really cool idea - looking forward to seeing your progress. Good luck!

Koekebakker
03-14-2006, 01:09 PM
am7: thanks! I'm going for a realistic style...as realistic as possible, that is.

Overchord:thanks for the feedback, I'll add at least a few others to make sure he is not alone in his journey. :)

Squibbit
03-14-2006, 01:50 PM
wowz dat's one neatly rendered fish

sporty idea too


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only pony
03-15-2006, 06:39 PM
nice fishes:thumbsup:. Maybe you could try to make them a bit more shinny.

Koekebakker
03-16-2006, 09:42 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1142548973_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1142548973_large.jpg)

I added a bit of space to the top for a better view of the sky and to emphasize the height of the waterfall. I used purple/pink/yellow tones for the sky to support the blue/green colors in the image. Colorwise I think it's a bit more balanced now, please let me know what you think!

Koekebakker
03-16-2006, 09:47 PM
Squibbit: Thanks! :)

only pony: I will do that somewhere in the coloring process. (When will you get started by the way? :P

Vahn
03-16-2006, 09:52 PM
hi there :)

Pretty cool idea and very cool & lively sketch :thumbsup: I think you could even move the salmon closer to the camera. right no hes about as big as the bear and i think it would be better for the composition to make the salmon bigger ( hes your main protagonist after all ) :D

Koekebakker
03-16-2006, 10:14 PM
Ahh, good idea Vahn! That should make him a better focal point..thanks a lot!

Chupacabra
03-17-2006, 07:38 PM
Hi there,

I'm also into a real life situation and i'm also painting a bear. Haven't seen much of nature or real life imagery around in this challenge. Cool dude!
Just keep your bear competitive to fishes in terms of realism, because he doesn't quite reach that level yet.

Best regards and big respect

Khan alias Chupacabra

My Journey Begins (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=323929&page=1&pp=15)

CG Portfolio (http://chupacabra.cgsociety.org/gallery/)

NinjaA55N
03-17-2006, 10:04 PM
Very nice theme to go with man, and original too. Love it already, lots of dynamic, but maybe u could add a fish to a first plan also or something, so the viewer could have better chance to understand the way they r going through. just my opinion :) keep up the good work!

Koekebakker
03-20-2006, 02:45 PM
Chupacabra: Thanks, i'll get into some bear-studying before I start the line-art. Perhaps I'll also change its' pose, too.

NinjaASSN: There will be a few more fishes one the fore- and background to make it clear what they are doing. :) Thanks for the advice!

Koekebakker
03-20-2006, 02:48 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1142869715_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1142869715_large.jpg)

A few changes in size, color and image aspect ratio.

Silveraxe
03-20-2006, 11:23 PM
Great idea! I love how you put the challanges there in the distance too. I think you should make the bear eyeing them, like waiting for them with a cunning face.

Good luck!

triumphant
03-26-2006, 06:56 AM
cool update geoffrey ,

how about the bear looking at the fish in the air ? just my thought .
keep the good work going on. :thumbsup:

yoitisi
03-26-2006, 09:10 AM
the composition looks much better now :) I like the colors.

Maybe its an idea to have the bear lying on the rock playing with or gnawing on an already catched salmon. I think giving him a too dynamic pose would distract the attention from the salmon in the foreground.

artvandeley
03-26-2006, 10:17 AM
Hm, yeah, looks great. Nice comp :thumbsup:
The others are right about the bear though, you should do something about him. And right now,if i may say so, he doesn´t look exactly bear-ish either.

Good work and tot ziens

Koekebakker
03-26-2006, 11:52 PM
Silveraxe, triumphant, yoitisi, artvandeley: Thanks for the feedback, I shall change the bear's pose.

anzibon
03-26-2006, 11:57 PM
really really nice.

it would maybe be more climactic if it looked as if there path will take them past those hunting bears. while we do get the idea now, it's something that could be clearer.

love the idea, can't wait to see it get finished.
~B

PS - that waterfall is gunna be a challenge for those fish. hope they had their wheaties

Koekebakker
03-30-2006, 02:49 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1143733740_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1143733740_large.jpg)

What do you think?



Nah, just fooling around, tonight I'll submit a version with a few changes. Thanks anzibon, I'll take your advice into account as well. :)

Koekebakker
03-30-2006, 11:32 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1143765163_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1143765163_large.jpg)

Well, lots of changes to the waterfall, the dangers on the way up (more bears!) and a new pose for the main bear. Also some depth elements added, like a simple depth of field and some branches to fill up the empty spaces.

Let me know what you think!

Chupacabra
03-31-2006, 06:05 AM
Muuuch better now. Looks real.

Cheers,

Chupacabra

My Journey begins (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=323929&page=1&pp=15)

SideAche
03-31-2006, 06:13 AM
Really Nice work. excellent color - the pose of the bear is great - my only crit would be to suggest that you vary the length of the water fall, it has a stair step feel - excellent work

notpill
04-01-2006, 10:06 AM
Cool original concept! very very nice.

Koekebakker
04-01-2006, 06:03 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1143918222_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1143918222_large.jpg)

Chupacabra: Thanks a lot! Took some time, glad it's better now. :)

SideAche: You're right. I tried to change it to something more natural and less discreet, without having to redraw large parts. Hope this is better!

notpill: Thanks. :)

SideAche
04-01-2006, 07:26 PM
Nice! I' going to enjoy watching this turn out.

Koekebakker
04-07-2006, 10:22 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1144448561_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1144448561_large.jpg)

I don't wanna waste time on line art as I'll probably add and change things on the fly. So...onward to the coloring phase now! We'll see how it goes. ;)

CrammC
05-11-2006, 02:18 PM
Hi,

I like the whole dynamic atmosphere and the compositions. The coloring looks nice, too.
A small comment on the latest addition: First, the bear stood on a pointy rock, which made it haunting and seemed to pose more of a threat to the fish. Now, the bear stands much lower, thus making it seem less dangerous.

On the other hand, the bear now stands closer to the water, enabling him to actually catch something. :)

Koekebakker
05-27-2006, 01:04 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1148735085_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9809/9809_1148735085_large.jpg)

I won't be able to finish it in time. Studying, work, and a little snowboard accident kept me from finishing it, unfortunately...I'll finish it some other time I guess. Ah well, thanks everyone! :)

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