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Elendil_le_Grand
02-28-2006, 04:09 PM
Nicolas Boyer is entered in the "The Journey Begins Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/view_entries.php?challenger=9796)

Latest Update: Modeling: Lope 03
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1142237890_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3337593#post3337593)

Zapan
02-28-2006, 04:35 PM
Hey Nicolas !

Great to see you here !

Have a lots of fun and best of luck mate !

cheers ,

-Zapan

Elendil_le_Grand
02-28-2006, 04:40 PM
Thanks Guy ;)

I'll try to do my best :)

adel3d
02-28-2006, 07:16 PM
welome to the challenge
wish you success !:thumbsup:

Dravenfr
03-01-2006, 07:57 AM
Hi Nico !

Good luck for this challenge and have fun !!!

Elendil_le_Grand
03-01-2006, 08:15 AM
Thanks to you guys ;)
I post here my firs idea and i hope you will help me to know if it's a good idea.
The idea : we are in Alice in Wonderland. Alice meets the rabbit and decide to follow him. Then he enters in his hole. Alice follow him in the hole and the journey begins.
The image take place in the hole when alice and the rabbit fall in wonderland. The rabbit is on the bottom and he looks at his clock. Alice is in the top and she looks at the object falling with her. She has afraid but in the same time she is curious about this journey ..
I'll try to post a sketch ...
What do you think about this idea ?
Thanks for your help ;)

Gunilla
03-01-2006, 08:56 AM
Hi Nicolas and good luck!

I like much your idea - you can make it both sweet and dramatic, I'd say - go for it :thumbsup:

Lemog
03-01-2006, 09:51 AM
Hey "Mon Grand"... so cool to find you here for this challenge... I've just read the story... well... it's not really original... but the style of realization can make the difference...

...the most important is that you feel good with your realization... for the quality, and for the fun... then... I'm impatient to see the first sketch about a "possible" composition.

Good luck "Mon Grand" :beer:

Elendil_le_Grand
03-01-2006, 10:43 AM
Cunilla : Thanks and i hope i do a good image with this idea ...
Laurent : yes the idea is not very original but unless it's in the subject and i think i am able to realize it. Thanks for the support ;)

flaeticia
03-01-2006, 10:46 AM
Goooood luck to you !! ;)

Lemog
03-01-2006, 11:05 AM
Laurent : yes the idea is not very original but unless it's in the subject and i think i am able to realize it. Thanks for the support ;)
I support your choice at 100% mate :wip:

Jjack
03-01-2006, 11:25 AM
I'm agree with Lemog , the way you will wover the subjet are far more important that the idea itself.
Good luck to you and post as soon as possible ;)

Elendil_le_Grand
03-01-2006, 12:45 PM
Thanks for your support to all three ;)
I try to post a sketch tomorrow ...

Darknessshade
03-01-2006, 12:49 PM
Good luck man !!!

Elendil_le_Grand
03-01-2006, 03:07 PM
Thanks man ;)

Elendil_le_Grand
03-01-2006, 03:11 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141225888_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141225888_large.jpg)

The idea : we are in Alice in Wonderland. Alice meets the rabbit and decide to follow him. Then he enters in his hole. Alice follow him in the hole and the journey begins.
The image take place in the hole when alice and the rabbit fall in wonderland. The rabbit is on the bottom and he looks at his clock. Alice is in the top and she looks at the object falling with her. She has afraid but in the same time she is curious about this journey ..

For the moment i search image for inspiration ...

Poonks
03-01-2006, 03:12 PM
Hey Nicolas nice to see you here:bounce: ,

Gooooooddddd luck to you..

I hope to see a final image :rolleyes:

Elendil_le_Grand
03-01-2006, 03:17 PM
Thanks and i hop to see a final image too ;)

Zapan
03-01-2006, 05:21 PM
Hey Nico !!

Well I'm sure you can make this well-known story something really special here !!
Can't wait to see that !!

Go go , Nico !!

cheers ,

-Steph

Lemog
03-01-2006, 10:11 PM
That can be... no... that must be a very good and very interesting composition... you must certainly work a lot on the originality of this comp... and on the originality of the character design...

Dravenfr
03-02-2006, 06:34 AM
I also think you can relaise a "good" picture with this Alice concept ...

And now you're an expert with maya and fur ;)

Elendil_le_Grand
03-02-2006, 08:48 AM
Thanks steph, i try to post more sketches ;)
Laurent (Draven) : Thanks and i'm not an expert but i know a few tips :)
Laurent (Lemog) : Yes that's why i try some sketches but it's difficult for me and i don't know really where i'm going. For the moment i choice an cartoonish image with a pretty Alice. But i'm not yet sure ...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-02-2006, 08:53 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141289590_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141289590_large.jpg)

I try to draw some character but i'm not a good drawer so ot's difficult for me ...
I search the style of the image. For the moment i choice a cartoonish style with a few realistic render ... But i'm not sure.
For the sketch of the scene, i think i'll make it in 3d with a cartoon render. I hope for tomorrow ;)

Silgrin
03-02-2006, 09:05 AM
Great idea, very popular, so it will be easier to make myriads of associations in most people who know the story... But also its great popularity puts the technical requirements very high! If I see a story using so "communicative" and well-known motifs, I automatically expect sth outstanding to avoid feeling like "just another Alice in Wonderland..." You put the quality treshold very high!

In meantime I will use sth less recognized-I`m not (yet, I hope;) ) technically excellent and I have to rely on an strange idea rather than on my 3d skills. If you`ve decided to face the most steep path-I wish you good luck, but this time I will follow the stairs ;)

Zapan
03-02-2006, 10:27 AM
Hi Nico :

Great sketch ! , Eagerly waitin' for that 3d sketch !

keep it up mate !

cheers ,

-Steph

bouledpue
03-03-2006, 06:50 AM
Fun idea, I like it.
good luck Elendil

Elendil_le_Grand
03-03-2006, 08:31 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141374710_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141374710_large.jpg)

Don Lope and Armand de Maupertuis think they arrive to the last of their journey but in fact the journey just begins and an amazing thing wait them ...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-03-2006, 08:37 AM
Silgrin : Yes i think it will be difficult but i am not sure with this idea. The new idea is better or not ?
disciplus, zapan : thanks and what do tou think of my new idea ?

Lemog
03-03-2006, 08:44 AM
I really prefer the originality of this new one...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-03-2006, 09:02 AM
I think i prefer also this concept ... ;)

larsgehrt
03-03-2006, 09:06 AM
Hi there,

i must say that your second concept is really nice. The characters seem full of life and with much personality. I would go with those 2 characters, iam not to sure about the envoirment though, the high moutain in the back takes to much place maybe a landscape?

Top noch.. :)

Cheers...

Gunilla
03-03-2006, 09:07 AM
Yup - great new concept! And a really beautiful first sketch :thumbsup:

Elendil_le_Grand
03-03-2006, 09:15 AM
larsgehrt : Thanks ... You're right for the environment ; i think i take those two character but i will search a new environment ;)
Cunilla : Thanks :)

NB : I just precise that those character come from a "BD" called "De cape et de crocs" as you see on the image ...

bouledpue
03-03-2006, 09:54 AM
Yes tout comme il a dit lolo :)

alvin-cgi
03-03-2006, 11:02 AM
I like your second idea... the background actually quite nice, it help to create some distance feel and it can create nice DOF as well.:)

Poonks
03-03-2006, 11:14 AM
New idea :bowdown:


I really prefer the second idea, really more originaly...:wip:
I can't wait to see the frist sketch... so hop hop hop au boulot nico :arteest:

Zapan
03-03-2006, 11:51 AM
Yay !

This new concept should work fine ! Better than the previous one IMHO !

looking forward for updates !

cheers ,

-Steph

deanmarkey
03-03-2006, 12:09 PM
good luck with this concept , looking forward to seeing the progress

Silgrin
03-03-2006, 03:39 PM
Unfortunately, I don`t know the characters of your new sketch-but looking at the feedback, you can expect much appreciation... Good luck! Going home to push my own one a bit fwd... See you on Monday! ;)

Dravenfr
03-03-2006, 04:47 PM
Yes your new concept is really good Elendil :)

The characters are really cools and it's very original !

You don't have choice ... choose this one :thumbsup:

Elendil_le_Grand
03-06-2006, 09:22 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141636921_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141636921_large.jpg)

Just for inspiration ...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-06-2006, 09:24 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141637054_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141637054_large.jpg)

And also the concept sketch. I don't post a draw because it's too difficult for me.
But i have begun the modeling of don Lope and i hope to post tomorrow an up ;)

Elendil_le_Grand
03-06-2006, 09:26 AM
Thanks to all ;)

alvin_cgi : finally i thing i keep this environment because i think it's good with this challenge.
The next for tomorrow i hope with don Lope ...

Poonks
03-06-2006, 10:08 AM
You start the modeling and you don't post it???

We want to see it so hop hop hop post it quicklyyyyyyy :D
I can't waiiiiiiitttttttttttt more time

Elendil_le_Grand
03-06-2006, 10:16 AM
Ok i post it tonight or tomorow because i'm not at home ;)

Zapan
03-06-2006, 02:45 PM
Yes , great references set up !

Can't wait to see the modeling start !

cheers ,

-Steph

Elendil_le_Grand
03-07-2006, 08:26 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141719987_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141719987_large.jpg)

It's just the begining of the modeling.
I start the modeling with zsphere in zbrush then i tweak and i've made the hands and the head in maya. Then i tweak in zbrush.
I must yet the tail and tweak all the shape to obtain a good shape.
Then i use zbrush for details but not more because the almost of the body has clothes and the rest has fur ...
Next for tomorrow i hope ...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-07-2006, 08:27 AM
Thank zapan the modeling had already started ... :D

Lemog
03-07-2006, 08:40 AM
Very well started... just the knees appear quiete strange... but maybe it's due to the little size on the picture... the look is already very interesting... I like it... :cool:

Darknessshade
03-07-2006, 08:43 AM
Päs mal du tout ! La tête ressemble bien ! Vite, les habits !

It's good ! The head look like the original head, and i waiting for the clothes :)

EDIT : oui fait attention, avec cette taille, le nez ressemble a un bec de face, et ca fait genre aigle :o

Elendil_le_Grand
03-07-2006, 08:52 AM
Thanks ;)
Lemog : pour les genoux, ils sont comme ça dans la BD pour donner une impression de pattes de chien ...
For the knees, they are as this in the comics to give the feeling of knees of dog ...

Darknessshade : Pour le nez ça n'est évidement pas terminé il reste encore bcp à faire pour obtenir ce que je recherche mais puisqu'il faut poster les étapes :)
For the nose it's not finish, i must tweak so much to give that is in my head ...

De plus il s'agit de screen venant de zbrush donc la perspective est faussé ...
And it's screens of zbrush so the perspective is false ...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-07-2006, 09:20 AM
Lemog : in fact you're right for the knees this si not like this ... I'll remake them ...

Lemog
03-07-2006, 09:27 AM
Just the angle which appear very hard... even for a standing dog... :)

Versiden
03-07-2006, 11:48 AM
looking great so far Nicolas... looking fwd to more

Elendil_le_Grand
03-07-2006, 12:43 PM
Thanks Martin :) It s a real pleasure to see you here ...
I think i post an up tomorow ;)

Vedic-kings
03-07-2006, 05:53 PM
That looks good to me, I have use zbrush a few times and I just haven't figured out how to export my normalmaps from zbrush to maya.

Zapan
03-07-2006, 06:54 PM
Great start on the character Nicolas !!

Very clean mesh , I would say from here that the base of the nose seems a bit thin ... But better wait to see your Zb tweaking !!!

So keep it up !

Cheers ,

-Steph

Elendil_le_Grand
03-08-2006, 08:25 AM
vedic kings : you have an option in the zmapper to choice automatically the good options. Then you save the image created ...

zapan : Thanks, and you're prabably right for the nose ...

No up for today because i search how to make this characterwith the best technics ... But tomorrow i hope ...

gpepper
03-08-2006, 08:28 AM
ça avance, ça avance !
Continue comme ça Nico !

Poonks
03-08-2006, 11:15 PM
Hey hey nice start Nico :thumbsup: I find the knees a little strange for the moment...
here a link... i hope it will helpyou
http://www.infovisual.info/02/img_fr/068%20Morphologie%20un%20chien.jpg

Elendil_le_Grand
03-09-2006, 08:25 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141892718_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1141892718_large.jpg)

Finally i've decided to create the clothes and the entire character, and also the pose, before to return in zbrush ...
I remade the knees and i've made the tail.
But this is again very imparfait because i just put the character in his pose and i have not yet detailed ...
Next for tomorrow i hope ...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-09-2006, 08:26 AM
Thanks for the reference Cédric and thanks for the comment Gilles ;)

Silgrin
03-09-2006, 09:15 AM
After good texturing he can be a very interesting character. Waiting fore the next stages...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-09-2006, 09:19 AM
Thanks but i'm far of the texturing ;)
I have yet much work in modeling for this character :)

Lemog
03-09-2006, 09:24 AM
Knees are really better now... just curious to see the another side, but that seem all good... clothes are well started... il n'aura pas de ceinture à la taille ?

Elendil_le_Grand
03-09-2006, 09:27 AM
Thanks :)
Si il aura une ceinture je pense ... Là g juste voulu posé la forme générale ...
What another side ?

Lemog
03-09-2006, 10:16 AM
Thanks :)
Si il aura une ceinture je pense ... Là g juste voulu posé la forme générale ...
What another side ?
back side... derrière koi :scream: pour voir comment tu t'es débrouiller pour la pliure arrière des pattes à hauteur des genoux... boudiou... c'est quand même plus simple en français... huhu

Elendil_le_Grand
03-09-2006, 10:17 AM
back side... derrière koi :scream: pour voir comment tu t'es débrouiller pour la pliure arrière des pattes à hauteur des genoux... boudiou... c'est quand même plus simple en français... huhu
C clair :)
J'essaieraie de poster une vue arrière la prochaine fois ;)

Zapan
03-09-2006, 12:03 PM
Hey Nico !

Awesome progress on that character , everything looks great !
I agree , a belt could be a nice addition !

cheers ,

-Steph

kestas
03-09-2006, 12:20 PM
looking good but maybe you need to refine the arms a little bit

Elendil_le_Grand
03-09-2006, 01:00 PM
Thanks ;)
Zapan : Yes i will add a belt i think ...
kestas : the arms don't stay as this, there will be a shirt on them ;)

Darknessshade
03-09-2006, 01:56 PM
I am waiting the next image :) It's a good character !

Gunilla
03-10-2006, 05:07 PM
Nice progress with your model - I'm sure it will be perfect when it comes from ZB, good luck!

coochaki
03-10-2006, 05:14 PM
nice character
good modeling.
waiting for more... .. .
:thumbsup:

Elendil_le_Grand
03-13-2006, 08:18 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1142237890_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/13/9796/9796_1142237890_large.jpg)

So i've make some details and i tweak the render ...
It stay yet the creases of the clothes and a little bit details like the gun, the sword and a hat.
I don't do anything on the head so i must to remake the head and the arms ...
Update for tomorrow maybe ;)

Elendil_le_Grand
03-13-2006, 08:19 AM
Thanks all for the support and more is arrive :)

authentic
03-13-2006, 09:08 AM
Well. Your modeling is great. Even I personnaly think that it's not really the aim of such a contest to copy an existing concept. I will find it interssting for a personnal purpose and post it in wip 3d. In a contest, i'm not sure you are in the rules.
Sorry it is what I think. But going back to your work...i really like it; You've got the real shape of the character. MAybe the arms are too big but when you'll change it to make more "clothy" it will be good.

Elendil_le_Grand
03-13-2006, 09:13 AM
Thanks ;)
I'm agree it's not very good to copy for the challenge but if i'm not in the rules of this contest, i don't care :)
You're agree for the arms, i have much work in the head and in the arms ...

funkyboss
03-13-2006, 02:22 PM
Good modeling here! But agree with authentic. Although, if you don't care, there is no problem dude;)
Have fun in first place!!
I ll follow your work
Good luck

DimitrisLiatsos
03-13-2006, 02:47 PM
I lke his clothes ..very ...err French. :) ...u already said u will work again on hands..so i will wait till u post the new model for more crits. :bounce:

MVDB
03-13-2006, 03:31 PM
Hey Nicolas!
cool looking char.. I would make a bigger belt, this one looks a bit weak, doesn't fit the char, just a thought :shrug: Good model.. :)

Elendil_le_Grand
03-13-2006, 03:34 PM
Thanks ;)
Yes you're right for the belt Michael ... iwill change it :)

osgii
03-13-2006, 03:49 PM
Yeah, well done!
Excellent.
Right, the belt is to tiny...

alancamara
03-13-2006, 03:58 PM
Hey Nicolas, I loved your concept and sketch and good start with modeling, I'm around to see more. :thumbsup:

Alan

Zapan
03-13-2006, 05:18 PM
Hey Nico !

Great progress here , love his outfits ... fits really well with the sketches !
Looking forward for the new hands/arms !

cheers ,

-Steph

a-papantoniou
03-13-2006, 05:23 PM
Smooth modeling on the clothes. They put the character righty in his role. Awaiting for more...

Elendil_le_Grand
03-14-2006, 08:37 AM
Jonathan, alan, Stephane, Antonis: Thanks all ;)
No up for today but i'm working on this for make the creases and remake the shape of the hands and the arms.
I want also to give more life to his movement...

Next in the week i hope ;)

Poonks
03-14-2006, 10:30 PM
Nice update here..

i have nothing to critics more... so keep it up :thumbsup:

shahabp
03-14-2006, 10:52 PM
hi,
the only risk I feel is:
when people see a story that they know it,or there is another production about it
they compare it with what they have in their mind.
that's a big risk to do something again.
but sometimes it happens new work is totally different and shows the artist is a great master!
I mean nobody gets tired of what is created again,if it has more appeal
good luck!

Elendil_le_Grand
03-15-2006, 08:35 AM
Thanks ;)
Yes tou're probably right Shahab but i don't search a general aprobation i search just to progress and the copy is for me more easy. Because for the moment i'm too bad in drawing to draw what i have in my head ...

WilliamMAX
03-15-2006, 08:50 AM
Great.

Good Job Man.

And the Fur?? ;)

Bonne Suite:thumbsup:

ThierryS
03-15-2006, 10:10 AM
Yes good luck man on your way to this adventure. Copying is a good mean of improving, I agree. The next step will be to add some of your own imagination. Hope you succeed to do that on this piece. Great modeling sofar:thumbsup:

All the best!:wavey:

Lemog
03-15-2006, 10:41 AM
Really "SUPERB"... just need now to offer him the final details for his own personality... the breath of life, of his life... already well done :thumbsup:

Elendil_le_Grand
03-15-2006, 12:26 PM
William : Thanks ;)
Thierry : Thanks and i will try to put my proper imagination in these characters and in this image. And for the future i've just decided to learn drawing :).
Laurent : Thanks a lot for your support and i work at this moment to give more life to this character. I hope an up for tomorrow ...

bouledpue
03-16-2006, 01:29 PM
great model, I like it. But I think you forget the most important, the expression of the character. Your is very neutral.

dragonrouge
03-22-2006, 09:41 AM
lache tes pinceaux et reprends la souris ! allleezzzz !

keep going !

gpepper
03-22-2006, 03:23 PM
Eh Nico, t'en es où ?

Elendil_le_Grand
03-22-2006, 05:29 PM
Merci Axel ;) L'expression n'est pas faite c sans doute pour ça :)
Merci de venir me relancer ici David, mais en ce moment g du mal à revenir sur cette mod ...
Gilles, comme je le disais g du mal à revenir sur cette mod ; là je me suis mis à la 2d et ça me détend plus, mais qui sait, je v peut-être revenir :)

Lemog
03-23-2006, 08:28 AM
Hé Nico... personaly... when I do 2d (with much pleasure...), I do that only before or after a challenge... not in the same time...

...well... strong of this constatation... come back here quickly and please... continue you huge project... and finish it ;)
I send you much motivation my friend, and now, you must obliged to use it... GO NICOOOooooo :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

dragonrouge
03-23-2006, 12:41 PM
but it's a really pretty model in 2D... I can understand u ! :)
wish you finish all project !

ThierryS
03-27-2006, 07:57 AM
No update? Ok I'll be back later, hope you got time to continue:thumbsup:

Poonks
03-27-2006, 08:53 AM
T'es obligé de continuer sinon je spamme ton poste jusqu'a ce que tu craques :argh:

Lemog
03-27-2006, 09:12 AM
Hahahaha... I'm afraid too... bravo Cédric :)

Lemog
03-30-2006, 07:21 AM
hmmm... update please Nico :argh: PLIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :beer:

Elendil_le_Grand
03-30-2006, 07:28 AM
Thanks all for the support :)
But sorry Lemog, in this moment i've bought The game oblivion and i can't stop to play with it it's like a drug :eek: .
But i will try to come bak in the reality :scream:

WilliamMAX
03-30-2006, 07:30 AM
Tssss....

Tu abandonne? :sad:

Lemog
03-30-2006, 07:44 AM
HHHmmmm biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip... bad answer... you can play... I'm okay... I like to play too... but you must continue here too... in the same time... sinon j'débarque :twisted:

flaeticia
03-30-2006, 07:48 AM
HHHmmmm biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip... bad answer... you can play... I'm okay... I like to play too... but you must continue here too... in the same time... sinon j'débarque :twisted:

rooo l'autre la :D

allez courage petit courage :D :bounce:

Zapan
03-30-2006, 07:50 AM
:bounce: :wip: :bounce: :buttrock: :bounce: :arteest: ... <--- smiley talk cheering (still practising) hope you don't mind :)


cheers ,

-Zapan

Edit : Et laeticia l'appelle petit ... :scream: :scream:

Poonks
03-30-2006, 09:36 PM
Update? update? where are you?!? :twisted:


STOP PLAYING IT'S TIME TO ROCK:buttrock:

Hahahaha... I'm afraid too... bravo Cédric :)

Muahahaahah u right... be afraid i will spam each people who won't finish... i keep on eye on your work too.. MUAHAHAHAHA

Lepoluer
04-03-2006, 02:35 AM
Nice job Elendil :thumbsup:

Allez go go go:bounce:

Gunilla
04-04-2006, 08:26 AM
So, have you stopped working on this? I think we need to see some updates soon...:)

Poonks
04-11-2006, 10:43 AM
J'avais dit que je spammerais alors je le fait...:twisted:


UPDATE WE WANT AN UPDATE!
U saw whats looks like france this time due to the cpe... it will be the same here if you don't continue :D

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE!!

WilliamMAX
04-11-2006, 11:58 AM
C'est vraiment dommage :sad:

Lemog
04-11-2006, 12:50 PM
Spamming is usually forbidden here... but of course, to talk with friends is always possible... and to push them formotivation is grantly appreciated... NICO... revient :scream:

Elendil_le_Grand
04-12-2006, 11:17 AM
C vraiment sympa tout ce soutien ...
J'aimerais vraiment continuer mais ça m'étonnerait que g le temps enfin je v voir merci à vous :)

scootermaya
04-12-2006, 11:22 AM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ! I just got in ! ... you're not gonna live now ? :cry: :banghead:

Lemog
04-12-2006, 01:26 PM
This "lueur d'espoir" sounds good :scream: :thumbsup:

dagann
04-16-2006, 12:36 PM
Keep it up Elendil, it would be a pity to stop this nice work.

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