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mindofka
02-24-2006, 12:19 PM
Look down For other WIP sessions, you may help me :)

Hi comrates,
in this few days I browsed very much this forum section and find it one of the most useful places online for improvement and feedback. I saw also that the choice to make one thread for all the personal projects and work in progress isn't a bad idea, since I myself have dozens of works that are stuck, or progressing but in need of suggestions.
I'll post from time to time some pieces I'm working on, and please feel free to give me any kind of suggestion, critique, comment, I'll appreciate it so much.
Take care, yours
ana

My first thread about a WIP, a double page on Middle Ages (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=321064)
(trying to go on with that)

I'm actually working more on that one, the character is almost finished and I'm working on the background. I started to paint with photoshop in my last works, even if I jump ocassionally on Painter Classic. I'm quite happy with this one even if I'm starting to change completely my style. Took reference for everything, wonderful images kindly at disposition from Navanna (http://navanna.deviantart.com)
Does the falcon looks good? I feel there's something wrong :curious:
Falcon WIPO1 Image (http://www.mindofka.com/images/falconWIP1.jpg)
Fly, falcon, finished (http://www.mindofka.com/images/falcon.jpg)
Thanks for passing by :beer:

Nazirull
02-24-2006, 12:21 PM
Somem great work here.....the submerged figure is great...just add highlights to the body as it is wet and speculars on the water ripples..then she's perfect.

Welcome!:beer:

mindofka
02-24-2006, 12:27 PM
Thank you Maranello! Beautiful to be here.
I was thinking to add some rocks on the up left and a water ambience, like she came with the waves near the coast, all the wet look on her body will take years I think, also for the white sheet floating....and the ripples....I want to make it realistic that's the problem, I'll never finish it :cry:

Nazirull
02-24-2006, 04:03 PM
Man if u can do the falcon..u can do anything.....that falcon looks good and the lady is gorgeous....just the shading on the falcon can be a lil better to show that its turning.

Your highlight on the body is there...for example on the neck...just choose the same color with higher value...and paint the correct area..and ur done! the ripples are the tricky part i know...but u gotta try...i learned it from my water slpashing wip. few option until i find an acceptable one.

even if ure satisfied with one..there is hundred more ways to go...thats the fun of it!!:bounce:

General Midi
02-24-2006, 05:06 PM
I'm hesitant to comment, cause I know nothing of both 2d,3d,CG r falcons.. but here goes..;-)
(feel free to correct me anyone)

I suspect the falcon looks slightly cartoon-ish cause his pupil is errr...at the "upper side of the eye" (sounds stupid but don't know how else to say it), as if he's able to roll his eyes around.

As far as I know a bird eye remains pretty stationairy in it's socket...

mindofka
02-24-2006, 06:18 PM
maranello55 Yes, I think it's kind of statue look as pose, the right light will give more dynamics to the turn, thanks, that's it...I want the falcon look actually as an alive animal, not like a stuffed one, hehhehe :D
Even if I take reference I often loose some important features, and often they just don't exist, something that looks right in the reference picture if you make it the same can feel wrong, I don't know if I explained well, ips.
Thanks again for the great feedback!

General Midi Don't hesitate, I need any point of view, and often people that are not of the sector can see things more clearly, without professional filters. Actually I thought a bit about the eye, and decidided to give a more human look to it, the more I painted the more I saw the focus of the image wasn't the boy, but the animal. I managed at the start to make a classic eye but there was missing something, I needed the falcon to be more human in a way (Lady Hawkish :D)
Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate.

Surface WIP01, first steps (http://www.mindofka.com/images/drownWIP1.jpg)

http://www.mindofka.com/images/drownWIP2.jpg

Transparent water, or not? Light azure, or muddy?Hmmm...

mindofka
02-26-2006, 10:52 PM
Any idea welcome :)
So, I tried a different approach, a different base work, than my usual. And this is the work that tonight calls me, maybe I should go on. I was thinking about some warm colour on the light source, and a cold cave with foliage ambient...just a quick sketch, about 30 min,
someone any idea? I have already in mind a depressed story as my usual.... :D
But the colours, hmmm...

Cave WIP01, first quick paint (http://www.mindofka.com/images/asds.jpg)

Some 2 hours of work

http://www.mindofka.com/images/asds2.jpg

SamsonsReaper
03-01-2006, 02:21 AM
Lets see here..

1:i think you should make the characters interact more with the background, lets say you see their whole figure and they are standing in the water or on some rocks. Or maybe let them stand under the big hole and let light hit them from above.

2:If you dont want to move the couple then i suggest you add som object/objects in the left side of the painting to fill out the space, rocks/creature/plants anything..

Well these are the things that comes to mind at the moment, hope it helps.I think the hole above could be the base for a painting with a very striking lightplay throughout the painting when its reaching its completion. Good luck

Xillion
03-01-2006, 06:27 AM
ita: Potresti usare la fenditura sul soffitto della caverna per far filtrare qualche raggio di luce lateralmente sino ai visi dei soggetti (immaginando che la fenditura corra lateralmente sino al loro fianco, o che ve ne sia una li) cos potresti illuminare parzialmente le figure (magari sugli occhi, se quello il tuo punto focale)

eng: You could illuminate the faces of the subjects with some rays of light coming from an imaginary upper side hole in the cave. This could allow you to have more contrast on the focal point of the scene (if the couple is the focal point) and better mix them with the background.

mindofka
03-06-2006, 11:22 PM
Thanks for the great feedbak, Rasputin X and Xillion, I think I'll keep them a bit out of the light, but I'll add some elements on the right. I'd like to work on water reflected light also, plus the light from above.
But I'll have to wait, all the time is for the jounrey now :D ;)
Hope to return on that works soon!

mindofka
03-29-2006, 02:08 PM
I really don't like to leave a piece too much, I forget the mood and the atmosphere, so I managed today to put some strokes and maybe start into details.
Made some suggested changes, still not a relevant work on the background. I always like to start with the characters first.

What's better than a hole in a cave? Two holes in a cave!
He'll stay a bit shadowed and monochromatic, somekind of ghostly dead/undead statue.
still thinking of the dominant colour, maybe a non saturated tone of the water, something like this.
Always grateful for feedback :)

http://www.mindofka.com/images/CAVE01.jpg

Nazirull
03-29-2006, 03:17 PM
I think since its sorrow theme, why not do a blue light shining from the waters to lit the girl's face?

Then the opening at the foreground will tell kinna story that both of them seek refuge in the cave for some sad mournful reason, the lights of the outside ceased to touch them....only the caustics from the ripples in the cave accompany the sorrow...

Great theme developing....keep it up man!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

mindofka
03-30-2006, 01:33 PM
Thanks Nazirull, I shall absolutely enrich the characters with the water reflection, this would help me to get more balanced the entire scenario. I like to get life always more complicated, expecially while painting, heheh :D

Speaking about water....I'm still not satisfied with that, I have in mind a particular water atmosphere that just don't wants to come out, on the up there's the normal sun reflection, but down I want some glowing light parts, like the sun that comes into some leaves and trees.
Struggling :sad:

Now I don't know which version I like best...

http://www.mindofka.com/images/drownWIP2.jpg http://www.mindofka.com/images/drownedNEW6.jpg

jmBoekestein
03-30-2006, 03:16 PM
I htink the impact and realism would be greater if you went for higher contrast on the water, a deeper green. :) very beautiful stuff, nice face.

xeNusion
03-30-2006, 05:32 PM
the colours look very... lets say artificial.
i would suggest that you first try to make the water right without caring about the person.
decide for some good colours and try working on the water.
if the water is done you can paint the person over it and try to make the light/colours match .
which would make it easy then to paint the transparent water parts over the person as last and final step.

well its just a little tip so feel free to ignore it like usual :D

Nazirull
03-31-2006, 12:34 AM
Hmm...maybe u can play around with the hue of the water....:thumbsup:

mindofka
04-07-2006, 10:40 AM
First of all, thanks for the great suggestions!

jmBoekestein That's water is really taugh, I finally searched for some references and now is getting easier, even if still can't find the right mood which I'm searching. Thanks for the sugggestion, constrast is really helping to bring it out, and so glad you like hoe it's coming out :D
xeNusion Thanks Uncle Xen, I really neede your overview, you know how much I esteem your opinion. And I will not ignore it because you said the truth, I wanted this kind of tropical water effect, but it's better to give a touch of heavy saturated colour at the end, it's really getting to plastic as colour, really. And I started to work onlu on the water, without the layer lof her (incredible, I'm working on layers, hehehe). Thanks for the great suggestions, It started really to look better with this technique and approach!
:beer:

Nazirull Absolutely, I think that's the problem because veryone focused on that part, and you're suggestions really helped me to bring a more realistic environment.
That damn water is so taugh to paint, heheheh ;)

That's something new I started yesterday, without thinking of something precise, I just let my pencil go. On the left is the colour experiment, to see which one to use.
http://www.mindofka.com/images/highest-pencil.jpg

mindofka
04-23-2006, 02:38 PM
I started today to actually paint it, after some struggle I decided to go for a more painting and realistic style than the pencil one.
I always hate to cover and soften the pencil work, but the effect I'm searching for this piece it's against any hard stroke style :)
Any suggestions welcome.

http://www.mindofka.com/images/highest11.jpg

General Midi
04-23-2006, 05:31 PM
looks far more "pro" then the previous ones, if you'd allow me another unprofessional opinion :D.

far better body proportions & style, more interesting composition.

Nazirull
04-24-2006, 01:34 AM
I love the sketch!...very tolkien-like feel to it.

Yeah i know wut ure saying abt coloring over soften pencil....u'll get this grey tones mixed with the colors and usually i'll put more pressure into coloring and end up with a junnk....LOL.

Well, there is always Photoshop!:scream::D

Salubri3i
04-24-2006, 03:56 AM
this is good.

i think i'll check back here for new updates. love your style. :thumbsup:

mindofka
05-23-2006, 06:00 AM
Some updates. I'll not do it for the journey, I'm so sad about that. But I switched to part time job, a lot of time now!

Finished the sleeping mermaid/drowned lady, here it is! (http://www.mindofka.com/images/drowned-def.jpg)
Thanks for all the help!

About the boy on the tree and the couple in the cave...hehehhe, still have to go on ;)

Nazirull So glad you like it mister! I'm quite afraid of going on, because can't find the suitable technique, so I'll wait a bit to think about it. I made a few tries, but I think I'll start all new from the pencil again ;)
Salubri3i Thanks a lot! I'll try to finish one by one, but every day new images pop up to my mind, and I can't do them all. I need a 60 hours day :D

A new one, I need some help on the colour scheme, I like it but maybe something is missing. What do you think?

http://www.mindofka.com/images/angelique6.jpg

mindofka
05-23-2006, 11:33 PM
It's 1.31 a.m., I couldn't leave it like this, like it was this afternoon. it isn't bright the situation.
I think this kind of atmosphere suites better, but I must head to environmental stuff, which isn't my best.
Let's challenge! ;)
Any suggestion about environment lights it's very very much appreciated!
http://www.mindofka.com/images/angelique8.jpg

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