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TobyArt
02-23-2006, 07:54 PM
Figured instead of creating a seperate thread for every project, I'll make one and repost with new stuff. Currently I'm working on maybe a Title page for my website, or a page to keep the news on. Anyway I'm looking for a very warm sunny day feel with lots of happy critters looking avidly at whatever ends up in the middle. So far I've got most of a Platypus minus the tail and sketches for a couple other critters. Critique very welcomed! Enjoy!

http://tobyart.com/wip/news.jpg

SylvanMist
02-24-2006, 10:37 PM
The colored platypus looks cute, not much to comment on now though, show us more :)

TobyArt
03-15-2006, 05:52 AM
http://tobyart.com/dsg/news.jpg

Okay Here's kind of an update on this, I wanted to get a color base down to see what it will look like. On the duck and the bird I will remove the lines and do all the shading and lighting on them, as well as rest of the picture.

Feedback would be great!!!

aldog
03-15-2006, 04:38 PM
That looks adorable! can't wait to see the rest of the shading on the mallard and the....other thing.
Is that what your logo's gonna be in the picture? or is it just there as a place holder?

TobyArt
03-15-2006, 07:15 PM
Thanks

Just a place holder for the moment, I like the font, but want to do more and create a logo for it.

TobyArt
03-16-2006, 05:44 PM
So I got the animals put in, and worked on the main logo.
Huge thanks to great tutorials from nebezial (http://member.php?u=137808) located here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2506164#post2506164)
And walrus (http://member.php?u=122885) located here (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3338)

Next comes the water grass and tree, fun stuff
http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/title1.jpg

By the way if anyone knows of a good "how to paint water" tutorial, please let me know.
And critique would be great!

TobyArt
03-17-2006, 06:15 PM
Here's another update. Working on the tree. Not happy with it. Think the leaves are okay, but something is wrong with the tree.
http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/title2.jpg

Feedback would be great

Lokiwolf
03-17-2006, 08:46 PM
Looks fantastic to this super untrained eye. Seriously though thicken the tree on the right side and it should look better everything else looks awesome. I would give it a 4.5 out of 5 bro.

Altheia
03-17-2006, 09:01 PM
This is friggin adorable! (I think someone already said that... but I concur!)

Guess I'll take a stab at the tree..... I'm thinking that it probably needs more light/dark contrast like everything else in the scene, and maybe some shadows cast by the leaves as well as on the ground. I'm also thinking the light source on the trunk doesn't match the light direction on the leaves.... The leaves look like the light is shining from the front, while the trunk looks like it has a light source from the right.

hope that's helpful :)

TobyArt
03-18-2006, 02:06 AM
Hehe, wow, not sure I was going for that adorable, but hey, it works

Lokiwolf - Thank's for the imput, I'll try a bigger tree and see if that helps the comp.

Altheia - Good call on the lighting. Thats the problem right there.
I havent added shadow on the ground yet because I havent even touched the ground, but I'll try and fix the lighting issue and up the contrasts tonight. Maybe add some brighter spots of light on the tree trunk too.

Thanks for all your imput, Anyone else?

TobyArt
03-21-2006, 01:02 AM
http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/title3.jpg
Okay so here's another update. Worked on the lighting on the tree. Added some grass and started on the cattails. I love feedback more than my own mother! Critique this!

trialanderror
03-21-2006, 02:27 AM
your image looks great so far!!! foliage and grass are excellent... great expression of your characters... Keep posting please

just wanted to send you this water-drawing links you asked for. Maybe you find it usefull...

The other two links are seascape tutorials but maybe you can use them later on...

painting rocks under water (http://www.williampowell-artist.com/paintingexerciseintro.html) - unfortunately not digital

making waves (http://www.realcolorwheel.com/waves.htm)

digital seascape tut (http://groups.msn.com/DigitalArtBoard/seascapetutorial.msnw)

maybe I find more later on...

Terro
03-21-2006, 05:55 AM
Hmm, This is a real unique style you have Toby. Anyway you try to look at it, it's full of life. Strong colors and a little bit of comedy, can't go wrong with that combination.

PS: Love the intro image to your website.

TobyArt
03-22-2006, 10:49 AM
Another Update.
Worked on the cattails. the dirt, shrunk the bird, made the bird's eyes bigger, and added shadows to the grass over dirt areas. Feedback is great!
http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/title4.jpg
Thanks for all the encouragement, I usually never finish projects like this, so this is great!
The cattail leafs are still under construction, need to add more, more variance, and some folded, and twisted as well as add more cattails. They will wrap along the water line up a little.

Next the water, never done it so very intimidated.

trialanderror - thanks so much for the water tutorials that's awesome. Now I'm torn on wether I should do the rocks on the bottom under semi transparent water or not. Well, trial and error I guess.

Terro - Thanks it took me a very long time of envying styles I can't do till I realized I needed to just find a style that works with me. Glad you like the site, I figure something cute (this WIP) before the home page would be nice and offset some of the sick and wrong inside.

Comments and critiques please!

aldog
03-22-2006, 02:41 PM
This looks so great,
the only thing is the birds teeth look a little sloppy, like maybe there's too much shading for such a small area

trialanderror
03-23-2006, 05:45 AM
really nice work, Iīm glad you liked the tuts... Re water I would suggest to let it look simple but still with some rocks under water, does that make sense? LOL

Canīt wait to see your update...

Agree with Terro, your website is awesome:thumbsup:

TobyArt
03-28-2006, 07:12 PM
Okay so I'm at work so can't work on the real file but wanted to try a watertest just to see how it can work. Going to add the underwater lighting squiggles to the rocks and dirt too.
Wondering what to do with the earth in the background lighter? darker? just blue?

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/watertest.jpg

aldog - I worked on the teeth, then forgot to save. I'll get that updated soon, I fully agree on the smaller version the details just look like chaos, thanks for the input.


trialanderror - simple like this? I want to do more pebbles and possibly a couple plants too, but I’m thinking I like the look of this. Maybe some minnows? Thanks for the recommendation.



Any thoughts on the background earth would be great! Or critique on anything is always welcome!

TobyArt
03-29-2006, 07:14 PM
Okay I mellowed out the birds teeth, added the rocks, faded the water and started to play with the reflections with the duck. Not sure what could help it, let me know
http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/title5.jpg
Thinking I need to go dark with the water in the background
Crtitique always wanted!

trialanderror
03-29-2006, 08:38 PM
hi Zyrinx,

I think you are on the right track to make the water darker in the background but keep your shadows in mind. The shadow of the tree is going to the left and the shadow of your plant is going to the right. Maybe you could let some rocks be over the water but I know that sounds easier then it actually is. The left side of the lake looks good and I wouldnīt change a lot. I somtimes use comic references for watery because the water is very simplified there and I can zoom in and see how itīs drawn.

Iīd loved to help you more but itīs very challenging for me too...

But itīs going to be a very nice picture...

TobyArt
03-29-2006, 11:44 PM
trialanderror- thanx as always for the critique. The shadow that looks like it's coming off the plant is actually the shadow from the duck, i'm not sure what the line is, I'll fix that. I'm going to add alot of plants so i haven't even started on the shadows for those. I was thinking of putting a rock half in half out, but the ground goes down at too much of an angle for that, and I'm not sure it would add anything to the painting. Tried to find comic water to no prevail. If you know any good places, links would be awesome!

Anything on anybody's mind. Please Critique!
I love feedback more than my own mother!

trialanderror
03-29-2006, 11:55 PM
Hi Zyrinx,

I have no good links this time. But I googled for everything like asterix, winneh the puuh (very good for watery), marvel and stuff like that, Iīm sure you will find something (search for pictures of course)...

sorry...

TobyArt
03-30-2006, 10:33 AM
Okay so I added a few things,
1. cattails, stalks stem etc. under and above water. Ripples and shadows for those and the duck.
2. Fixed the way the water fades into the horizon.
3. I dropped the horizon
4. Added more grass to the edge by the platypus head
5. Added ripples for the shore and where the platypus tail dips into the water
http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/title6.jpg
I'm still not happy with the tree, will have another go at it soon.
Need to redo the cloud. May have two smaller clouds to balance out the composition.
Then begin detailing.

trialanderror - I noticed your doing clouds too on your WIP, when I find some good tutorials I'lll send them your way (I've seen some really good ones, I just can't remember where)

Critique Me!:thumbsup:

Wiggin
04-01-2006, 07:03 PM
Hey Man,

Water behind platypus looks much better, as do the cattails. Also I was just thinking that the cloud could be shaded a little more on the underside, not necessarily darker just more...if that makes sense.

Keep up the good work.:thumbsup:

arisuonpaa
04-01-2006, 07:20 PM
Hey Toby,

I like the characters. You asked for crits, so here we go: You should try to vary the hues while shading. Now your light and shadow areas have exactly the same hue. Usually areas that are hit by the light get their hue influenced by the light source. In this case, try to add some warm yellow to the light areas and some blue/purple (reflected from the sky) to the shadows. Usually it helps to avoid shading with pure black and white. The grass and leaves are also all one monotonous green. Try to add some brown and yellow there. Keep it up :thumbsup:.
-Ari

Vertrucio
04-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Try to avoid using the photoshop grass brush unless you're just sketching. That brush is very easily identified and it really only works well if you know how to handle hue shifts. Otherwise, it's probably better to go with more stylized grass to match your characters, or to make your own brush.

I also agree with the above comment about hue shifts in shading.

Another thing to watch out for is reflected light. You've got a bright scene there which means you're not going to see a lot of hard shadow. However, you've got a lot of dark shadow there on the platypus so he looks out of place.

TobyArt
04-06-2006, 07:29 PM
Sorry for dissapearing since my last update, I've been really sick lately. But I hope to get some work done on it tonight, and reply to everyone that was kind enough to comment.
Thanks All!

TobyArt
04-08-2006, 04:44 AM
okay, worked out quite a few things

Wiggin - changed the cloud to two, added more shape to them.
fixed the cattail part touching the water
added reflections on the water to the cattails, platypus

arisuonpaa - I tryed changing the hue on the duck shadows, more blue, not really noticable, will play with more on each character with my final light/shadow pass.

Vertrucio - I lightened the shadows around the tree and platypus (good call) he now needs a bit of refected light coming up off the grass. As far as the grass goes, on the far shore I like how it came out may redo the near shore grass, kinda blurry. Ill work to add more color diversity to the leaves and grass as well.
Thanks for all the comments:thumbsup:

I also added the tree character, not sure if he add to it or takes away from everything else, opinions on him would be awesome!
http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/title3.jpg
I love Critique like I love waffles. And I am a guy that really loves himself some waffles!

Lokiwolf
04-08-2006, 10:16 PM
I like how you split the clouds up, it really helped the overall feel of the picture. I like that you made the tree have a face, it really livened up the whole picture. The tree without the face justr seemed forced and not like most of your other drawings.
What I didn't like was the eyes of the duck, they just don't seem to match the rest of the characters. The ducks eyes are the only ones whos eyes aren't googly. I also think you should 2 tone all of the characters eyes maybe do the duck with green and the bird with a brownish color.

Other than those minor things I think it looks awesome.

TobyArt
04-10-2006, 10:46 AM
Idea in my head I'd figure I'd whip out on a day off. Not sure if it's ready to go into the Finished work section yet. May try tomorrow
http://www.tobyart.com/wip/happyduck.jpg
Critique Please. On this or my title page. (work on that soon)

Lokiwolf
04-10-2006, 05:59 PM
I love it. Almost makes ya feel sorry for the poor duck.:thumbsup:

Vertrucio
04-11-2006, 07:41 AM
Your lighting is still too simplistic. You really need to step back from the computer, and focus on fundamental painting skills, such as lighting, form, perspectice, and painterly shapes. This is crit will be pretty harsh, but I hate to see someone with talent waste it by trying to skip too far ahead in their training.

I'll just be frank and say that without photoshop, painter, or whatever program you're using to paint with these images would simply look amateur on canvas or paper. Don't let these programs become crutches that hinder your future artistic development.

When I look at that image, all I see is poor anatomy, poor composition, poor lighting, and a lot of photoshopping to make it look decent. So it's not your skill with art that makes it look decent, but your skill in photoshop. Unfortunately, a great deal of people know photoshop already and that won't get you a job alone, you have to have the fundamental art skills. Remember, photoshop is just another tool, one of many, with which to make art.

Here's what I recommend. From now on avoid using advanced photoshop features like layers, blending modes, filters, special brushes, or any other tool besides the brush tool and the eraser. It's okay to make your own special brushes, since that in itself is a learning experience, and real painters often use special brushes for certain effects.

Paint on just a single layer using simple brushes, focus on getting the lighting correct and learning how to place objects in space without resorting to layers. This way, you force yourself to make the compositional decisions that professional painters have to make every time they start a new piece. Use the classical approach to painting too, sketch out compositions ahead of time, block in lights and color on the canvas, then get into details.

Once you get these things down, then you can make use of the advanced features of photoshop. When you've got the fundamentals down, you'll be using these features as productivity/efficiency enhancers instead of crutches.

TobyArt
04-11-2006, 10:00 AM
Wow Vertrucio, humbled indeed. Some very good points though. The ducky was just a quick pic me screwing around getting something out of my brain. As is the picture below. I could definitely use some more practice with all the fundamentals and I'll make sure to get some of that in soon. Maybe try some more traditional painting too. Thanks for taking your time to comment.

Another day off messing around in photoshop. Nothing great but it was fun.
http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/skeletaldebate.jpg

TobyArt
04-12-2006, 03:25 AM
Okay so I went thru some old composition studies. Redo of the happy duck. Better composition. I probably won't redo the whole thing, as I said just a screwing around picture, but I'd like to start getting back into the "artistic quality" of my works.
http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/scan.jpg

Opinions are always great!

TobyArt
04-12-2006, 10:32 PM
Okay so here is the final run on this one, need to finish it up. Added more color variation to the grass and leaves, adjusted all of the shadows to more of a blue hue and highlights to yellow. Adjusted the sky color. Fixed the eyes of the tree and platypus and bird. Added the disclaimer. Water highlights, and fur/feather highlights. Eyelids to the tree. And tilted the cloud and the bird to follow the flow of the work.

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/titlefinal.jpg
Like I said this will be my last run on this so any comments would be awesome!
Critique makes me a happy Toby!

AndrewATL
04-13-2006, 04:58 AM
Maybe u should make the catails have faces on them, my eyes drawn a little to much to the right and that might even it out plus theres a art suggestion that its better to have an odd amount of objects in a scene, otherwise not bad.

Lokiwolf
04-14-2006, 12:38 AM
I disagree that you should give the catails faces. I think the same effect of drawing your eyes back to the left slightly could be accomplished by moving the platypus over to the left some.

The grass looks so real I could almost reach out and touch it and I really like what you did with the coloring of the sky, it really added depth to the picture.

TobyArt
04-14-2006, 08:19 AM
HEY EVERYONE! Tell me what you think

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/title7.jpg

AJSolik - Awesome, I was thinking a frog for a while, but I really like the way the cattails worked out. Odd # of characters now too.

Lokiwolf - I tried with the guy further left and the composition looked funny, what do you think of the faces?

critique brings happiness

TobyArt
04-15-2006, 09:53 AM
Okay so I think this may be the final. Some last little tweaks and got rid of the warning. Thought it distracted too much.

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/title8.jpg

Any last thoughts?

TobyArt
04-24-2006, 09:51 AM
Thanks for all the help on the last one. I'm really happy with it. Anyway trying to go for a exciting composition and dramatic lighting WIP

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/downnotout.jpg

Can't really tell he's grabbing his shirt collar

Full size Here (http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/downnotoutlarge.jpg)

Critique is what separates us from the animals. So Critique, Be Human

Wiggin
04-24-2006, 08:17 PM
Very cool idea, and it's HUGE! Biggest I think I've seen from you. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes.

winterhart
04-24-2006, 10:51 PM
Hey there!
Cute page! You have some skills in the works!
I actually just checked out your webpage and had a few crits on it rather than the work you're posting here.
I loved the urinal opening, very funny and right away gives you a fun personality. My main crit is with your other pages, having your artwork on a perspective like in the digital section really distorts the viewers perception of the work...especially with all the distracting background elements in your website. A website is much better viewed if you design it in a manner that emphasizes your art. The website was entirely bogged down with little side illustrations that distracts from the main attraction (your art!), the best page was your sketches page, simply because it is simple and not saturated with bright colours and distracting backgrounds.
I would seriously consider using your design background, to simplify and showcase only your artwork with less of the background elements. Right now your website does not denote a professionalism that will get you a lot of work from the website itself, it is more that of a young adult who did a website for the fun of it.
One more suggestion might be to do a simple website opening with two personalities like this one: http://www.kathrynadams.com/ just so you cater to both your design clients as well as the more humor/cute clients.
I am not trying to be really critical, but just trying to give you a leg up in the industry, just like vertrucio was honest, but his words are very helpful...
Hope this helps!
Best of luck with your work!
B.

TobyArt
04-25-2006, 02:30 AM
Wiggin - Huge is better, it's a new theory I'm going to try out. It may just create a bigger waste of space, but hey, we'll see

winterhart - I'm planning on redoing the site in a while, I'd like to do something with larger pictures so the new design should help the artwork show better. I designed each page to work as it's on artwork, but it definitaly takes from all of the key stuff. I think I have some ideas brewing for it and I'll throw it in here as a WIP. Thanks greatly for the critique!

vertrucio - Thanks again for the crit, it was hard to take but beyond helpful! I still read back thru it and get inspired


Testing adding in some color.

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/downnotout2.jpg

Lokiwolf
04-25-2006, 07:23 PM
I like it. It has an unusual dramatic feel compaired to most of your work. I like that with this picture you are showing that you are not just one vision.
Although I am not sure how you are going to light it to show the details. I am defiantly interested in seeing how this pans out.

TobyArt
05-02-2006, 04:14 AM
A new one I doodled out last night. I ssem to be stuck in a loop of pointless paintings.
http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/wip/red.jpg

Vertrucio
05-03-2006, 02:53 AM
Doodles are nice, but I don't think you're starting these paintings with the right mindset.

Stop thinking of digital painting as a medium on its own, instead make sure you're constantly thinking about and making decisions on things you've learned in traditional art. I've seen the few life drawings you have and they're pretty good. Now it's time to start slowing down and really making sure that same skill follows through into your digital work.

Even if that means taking a step back and doing digital paintings in monochrome.

audit
05-03-2006, 04:58 PM
I tend to agree with Vertrucio about your approach, and needing taking a step back. I would treat the digital tool as a canvas or piece of paper; for parctice, forget about all the other tools apart from the paintbrush, and work with monochrome value or limited palettes to convey forms. Don't try and draw what you want to see, or what you think you ought to see. Of course you must have an idea, but let the brushstrokes begin to form the image for you, and take it from there.

TobyArt
06-29-2006, 09:27 PM
audit, Vertrucio going to try some monichrome pics soon, not sluffing you off, just hard to get into it. Thanks for taking your time to comment

Haven't posted here for a while, been working on an animation but wanted to give this character a presence. Small little guy possibly for a couple animations that I may do sometime. Any comments would be great colors/size/etc...

http://www.tobyart.com/troxicana/pik.jpg

TobyArt
08-14-2006, 11:15 PM
here are a couple little new things

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/shroom.jpg
and
http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/catalooker.jpg
probably going to add some lighting to the guys hair

TobyArt
08-15-2006, 03:33 AM
I think I'm probably done with this one unless anyone has any recommendations

http://www.tobyart.com/cgtalk/catalooker1.jpg

BrutalMonk
08-15-2006, 02:33 PM
These last 2 ones are really nice! I love the style! Keep it up!

(That hand looks cool)

.D

TobyArt
10-02-2006, 08:09 AM
Here's one I did for the speedpaint forum

http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/speed/hero.jpg

Tinkering with it,

http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/speed/hero2.jpg

any comments and Critique would be awesome

TobyArt
10-19-2006, 09:49 PM
New one for the DSG
Mad Hatter

http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/madhat2.jpg

Critique makes me happy as happy can be!!!

TobyArt
10-26-2006, 03:15 AM
One that's been kicking around in my head for a while

http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/speed/soak.jpg

CyborgJA
01-08-2007, 10:45 AM
Ahahaha your pics are so funny!

Well....I'm looking at the 2 in bordeaux for the daily sketch forum....Honestly I'm not able to see at "first-view" the subject. The unique thing I can suggest you is to enhance a little the gap betweens lights and shadows on it. :)

TobyArt
02-16-2007, 10:53 AM
Here's a sketch for a late Valentines present, and the resulting speed paint, i like the emotion in the sketch alot better, but I think i'm getting there with the painting about 3 hours
been way to long since I've posted in here.

http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/speed/alienkidsketch.jpg

http://www.tobyart.com/dsg/speed/alienkidcolor.jpg

Always love crit

redfrog
02-17-2007, 03:10 AM
You've got a nice distinct cartoony style, a your work has a good sense of humour to it! Nice work. Will continue to check this thread. :)

TobyArt
05-30-2007, 09:37 AM
So yeah it's been a bit, just looking for any feedback, I'm doing a stylized animal contest, the subject is snail. This is a WIP, I don't have the original sketches but here's where I'm at now. Again any feedback is great.
http://www.tobyart.com/snail/render1sm.jpg
http://www.tobyart.com/snail/render2sm.jpg
http://www.tobyart.com/snail/render5sm.jpg
http://www.tobyart.com/snail/render7sm.jpg
Not really done with any part of him except for the texture map on the top half of his body and maybe the picnic blanket, but any feedback would be great!

TobyArt
06-13-2007, 02:22 AM
Here's the final for the Snail contest. I caught the flu so I didn't get it finished in time, but I'm glad to get it finished, it's been a while..
http://www.tobyart.com/snail/Finishedsm.jpg

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