laureato di arte
02-20-2006, 09:59 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2632&ncid=2632&e=12&u=/ft/20060219/bs_ft/fto021920061247257820
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atzfratz
02-20-2006, 10:35 AM
wow, 900 $ per unit is heavy.
I wonder for how much they will sell it then.
I wonder for how much they will sell it then.
Lone Deranger
02-20-2006, 10:38 AM
But Hitoshi Kuriyama of Merrill Lynch in Japan says there are reports that the PS3 could be delayed by between six and 12 months, meaning an autumn launch in Japan and a late 2006 or early 2007 launch in the US.
Which would probably mean late 2008 early 2009 for all the poor sods constituting the European market. At £900 or so... :D
Now where's my copy of Radilgy for the DC!
Which would probably mean late 2008 early 2009 for all the poor sods constituting the European market. At £900 or so... :D
Now where's my copy of Radilgy for the DC!
Trenox
02-20-2006, 10:43 AM
This is really serious for Sony if those rumors about a delay are true. The whole blu-ray thing could die before it even starts, if HDDVD gets a solid grip before the PS3 is out. And a very large part of Sonys strategy is to capitalize on the blu-ray.
Blazer
02-20-2006, 10:45 AM
This is obviously hype...... $350 for the blu-ray dvd component alone?
That may be the retail price for a fairly high end stand alone player when it is released.... not Sony's manufacturing expenses. With that kind of of "fact" I wonder how accurate the rest of this information is.
That may be the retail price for a fairly high end stand alone player when it is released.... not Sony's manufacturing expenses. With that kind of of "fact" I wonder how accurate the rest of this information is.
AJ
02-20-2006, 11:12 AM
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=14821
DevilHacker
02-20-2006, 11:24 AM
This is obviously hype...... $350 for the blu-ray dvd component alone?That would be my guess for the price of the drive since stand-alone players are going to cost around $1000
:D
:D
DrFx
02-20-2006, 12:51 PM
Even the suggested $320 three years after launch is a bit high IMHO. This is (if true) bad news for developers, as it means PS3 market penetration will be fairly weak in the first years. Maybe Microsoft and Nintendo do have a solid chance to beat Sony in next-gen.
DrFx
02-20-2006, 12:55 PM
I like this (from gamesindustry.biz):
"It's also hard to say what exactly Sony defines as "spring", however. It's certainly not the traditional definition of the season, which covers the months of March, April and May." ;)
"It's also hard to say what exactly Sony defines as "spring", however. It's certainly not the traditional definition of the season, which covers the months of March, April and May." ;)
gunslingerblack
02-20-2006, 01:51 PM
wasn't someone on here saying that the xbox was also very expensive to produce,
i thought i remember hearing that xbox 360 cost 1500 to produce.
i thought i remember hearing that xbox 360 cost 1500 to produce.
RobertoOrtiz
02-20-2006, 02:55 PM
Quote:
" Sony Corp's launch of its next-generation PlayStation 3 video game console could be delayed if industry specifications for some of its technology are not finalized soon, although it is still aiming for a spring rollout, it said on Monday."
>>Link<< (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060220/tc_nm/sony_playstation_dc;_ylt=AgmdWETxyWmOGbFOc63wgM6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg-)
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" Sony Corp's launch of its next-generation PlayStation 3 video game console could be delayed if industry specifications for some of its technology are not finalized soon, although it is still aiming for a spring rollout, it said on Monday."
>>Link<< (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060220/tc_nm/sony_playstation_dc;_ylt=AgmdWETxyWmOGbFOc63wgM6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg-)
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gabe28
02-20-2006, 03:08 PM
Could the PS3 be the next Dreamcast? Imagine if they just dug themselves into such a big financial disaster that they actually had to cancel the PS3 altogether no long after the launch due to staggering losses. Sony has deep pockets for sure, but share holders are only going to put up with so much.
Mr Majestic
02-20-2006, 04:12 PM
sony is probably gonna do what microsoft has done with the xbox and is doing with the 360. Last time I read the 360 costs them a little less than 800 to make, and they lose money on each, obviously sony will have to buck up and do the same thing this time around. So im going to guess a safe bet for the price is going to be 100 over the 360 price, if not the same, so 400-500, but that has been going around for a long time, but seems logical. But a spring release is ridiculous, theres no way, dont know why people are getting their hopes up. Think about it, with such a huge console, sony needs months of hype advertising just so people are excited about it coming out. Maybe I missed something but I have not seen anywhere, where there is even a true working model of the system shown, anyone playing one, thus any true ingame footage with someone behind that whacky controller. I believe it was CES where samsung? or some company showed their blu-ray player and put a price of 1800 dollars on it. I cant see sony using such expensive technology and then just rushing it out with out months and months of advertising to get people to preorder and save up. Also there is a huge fan base for the playstation, and no matter when they do release its going to sell, but last year they released the psp in spring and it didnt do insanly well like the ps2 did when it was a holiday release. If sony pushes back to winter their chances of sucess are so much greater, it also gives them a better chance for 360 owners to buy one as well, after such a large investment into the 360 the standard owner is going to need that year to actually want to spend the money all over again on a new console. ok enough ranting
RobertoOrtiz
02-20-2006, 05:14 PM
Sony Denies PS3 Delay Sony Computer Entertainment spokesperson Kei Sakaguchi has officially denied reports from financial analysts at Merrill Lynch that the PS3 could be delayed by several months, reiterating that the console will launch this spring.
Sakaguchi was responding to allegations made by Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha in a report published late last week, in which Osha claimed that the PS3 could launch in autumn in Japan, with a US launch possibly being delayed to early 2007.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62956
Sakaguchi was responding to allegations made by Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha in a report published late last week, in which Osha claimed that the PS3 could launch in autumn in Japan, with a US launch possibly being delayed to early 2007.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62956
laureato di arte
02-20-2006, 07:11 PM
Sony Denies PS3 Delay Sony Computer Entertainment spokesperson Kei Sakaguchi has officially denied reports from financial analysts at Merrill Lynch that the PS3 could be delayed by several months, reiterating that the console will launch this spring.
Sakaguchi was responding to allegations made by Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha in a report published late last week, in which Osha claimed that the PS3 could launch in autumn in Japan, with a US launch possibly being delayed to early 2007.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62956
im sure if sony are in anytype of trouble they will be able to dig themselves out of it. As for them denying it? when it comes to sony i take everything they say with a pinch of salt until i see it for real.
Sakaguchi was responding to allegations made by Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha in a report published late last week, in which Osha claimed that the PS3 could launch in autumn in Japan, with a US launch possibly being delayed to early 2007.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62956
im sure if sony are in anytype of trouble they will be able to dig themselves out of it. As for them denying it? when it comes to sony i take everything they say with a pinch of salt until i see it for real.
SpiralFace
02-20-2006, 08:41 PM
Sony Denies PS3 Delay Sony Computer Entertainment spokesperson Kei Sakaguchi has officially denied reports from financial analysts at Merrill Lynch that the PS3 could be delayed by several months, reiterating that the console will launch this spring.
Sakaguchi was responding to allegations made by Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha in a report published late last week, in which Osha claimed that the PS3 could launch in autumn in Japan, with a US launch possibly being delayed to early 2007.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62956
Of corse Sony is going to deny it, and it is my firm belief that they WILL launch it as they plan to.
That still does'nt change the fact that I do beleave they are haveing hardware problems, which past launces of both their system and competitors systems prove, that these companys are more then happy to launch a system they know has problems, just to sell the units. (PSP had dead pixels and battary problems, X brick 360 still has cooling problems, and is'nt itsomewhere in the ball park of 20-30% of their systems still have problems reading all the games? And the list goes on to problems with the PS2 and original xbox launch as well.)
So yeah I firmly beleave its comming out, but I still belave its going to have problems on the initial launch councils. Like they always do these days, with the exeption of Nintendo. I can't remember any of their systems haveing problems with their launch units.
Sakaguchi was responding to allegations made by Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha in a report published late last week, in which Osha claimed that the PS3 could launch in autumn in Japan, with a US launch possibly being delayed to early 2007.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62956
Of corse Sony is going to deny it, and it is my firm belief that they WILL launch it as they plan to.
That still does'nt change the fact that I do beleave they are haveing hardware problems, which past launces of both their system and competitors systems prove, that these companys are more then happy to launch a system they know has problems, just to sell the units. (PSP had dead pixels and battary problems, X brick 360 still has cooling problems, and is'nt itsomewhere in the ball park of 20-30% of their systems still have problems reading all the games? And the list goes on to problems with the PS2 and original xbox launch as well.)
So yeah I firmly beleave its comming out, but I still belave its going to have problems on the initial launch councils. Like they always do these days, with the exeption of Nintendo. I can't remember any of their systems haveing problems with their launch units.
Qslugs
02-20-2006, 08:47 PM
Dunno, anyone remeber the price of DVD players when they first came out? I remember them being way more than 350.
This is obviously hype...... $350 for the blu-ray dvd component alone?
That may be the retail price for a fairly high end stand alone player when it is released.... not Sony's manufacturing expenses. With that kind of of "fact" I wonder how accurate the rest of this information is.
This is obviously hype...... $350 for the blu-ray dvd component alone?
That may be the retail price for a fairly high end stand alone player when it is released.... not Sony's manufacturing expenses. With that kind of of "fact" I wonder how accurate the rest of this information is.
CupOWonton
02-20-2006, 08:55 PM
When PSX came out, CD was already around, meaning no new technology had to be invented.
When PS2 came out, DVD was already around, meaning no new technology had to be invented.
With PS3, they had to make up a whole new stupid propriotary storage system, implement a way to produce the hardware, produce the disks, and setup support. So the innitial cost is probably dead on, but theyre still going to most likely sell the PS3 at a good affordable compedative cost. *as affordable as the 360 was* there IS a very good possability this will bite them in the rear, but we have only speculation at this point.
... I still want a PS3.
When PS2 came out, DVD was already around, meaning no new technology had to be invented.
With PS3, they had to make up a whole new stupid propriotary storage system, implement a way to produce the hardware, produce the disks, and setup support. So the innitial cost is probably dead on, but theyre still going to most likely sell the PS3 at a good affordable compedative cost. *as affordable as the 360 was* there IS a very good possability this will bite them in the rear, but we have only speculation at this point.
... I still want a PS3.
DevilHacker
02-21-2006, 01:15 AM
The question comes down to...
PS3 or hundreds of little shirts...
:D
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1747/shirt112ug.jpg
PS3 or hundreds of little shirts...
:D
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1747/shirt112ug.jpg
DuttyFoot
02-21-2006, 02:02 PM
i just heard about this on cnn. so the ps3 is going to be delayed, isn't that going to be a major set back.
Saurus
02-21-2006, 05:31 PM
Dunno, anyone remeber the price of DVD players when they first came out? I remember them being way more than 350.
350 is probably manufacturer price...without consumer mark up.
350 is probably manufacturer price...without consumer mark up.
ExKArt
02-21-2006, 06:43 PM
I don't know what Sony means by PS3 coming out in Spring. I was told I could not preorder one because it wasn't 6 months before release. In fact I've seen October release on (gamestop, or ebgmaes, or something) that put the release date for PS3 on October 1 2006 for US (Japan release in August).
That seems most likely especially since it's near the end of the year and it's right before Christmas; the time when most game companies release their products.
I doubt PS3 will come out Spring isn't almost Spring now? and if it costs $400-500 then I think they would want people to save up money, wouldn't they?
That seems most likely especially since it's near the end of the year and it's right before Christmas; the time when most game companies release their products.
I doubt PS3 will come out Spring isn't almost Spring now? and if it costs $400-500 then I think they would want people to save up money, wouldn't they?
mummey
02-21-2006, 07:17 PM
I don't know what Sony means by PS3 coming out in Spring. I was told I could not preorder one because it wasn't 6 months before release. In fact I've seen October release on (gamestop, or ebgmaes, or something) that put the release date for PS3 on October 1 2006 for US (Japan release in August).
That seems most likely especially since it's near the end of the year and it's right before Christmas; the time when most game companies release their products.
I doubt PS3 will come out Spring isn't almost Spring now? and if it costs $400-500 then I think they would want people to save up money, wouldn't they?
When they say Spring release, they mean Spring release for Japan.
That seems most likely especially since it's near the end of the year and it's right before Christmas; the time when most game companies release their products.
I doubt PS3 will come out Spring isn't almost Spring now? and if it costs $400-500 then I think they would want people to save up money, wouldn't they?
When they say Spring release, they mean Spring release for Japan.
heavyness
02-21-2006, 07:19 PM
i'm guessing Sony is sticking with the spring "date" to make the general public hold off on buying a Xbox 360. the longer Sony can string along people, the better for them. If they came out and said "no PS3 until 2007, then everyone can justify a Xbox 360 purchase right now.
but that fact no one in the public has played a PS3 [besides some closed door demos] might mean the spring date will be missed.
well, E3 is coming up, we should know more info by then.
but that fact no one in the public has played a PS3 [besides some closed door demos] might mean the spring date will be missed.
well, E3 is coming up, we should know more info by then.
polywrangler
02-21-2006, 09:15 PM
Sony is likely coinciding the release of PS3 with other hardware products using the same components so they minimize their risk, consider that the cell processor is being deployed over a variety of consumer electronic types.
Don't forget Sony's been at this quite a while, they have more at stake than just PS3 hardware. The delayed release probably has more to do with strategy than anything else, also consider that PS2 is still profitable to this day and great titles still being released for the platform. The article you have given us is just another example of media speculation and sensationalism.
Don't forget Sony's been at this quite a while, they have more at stake than just PS3 hardware. The delayed release probably has more to do with strategy than anything else, also consider that PS2 is still profitable to this day and great titles still being released for the platform. The article you have given us is just another example of media speculation and sensationalism.
en-gram
02-22-2006, 02:27 AM
i'm guessing Sony is sticking with the spring "date" to make the general public hold off on buying a Xbox 360. the longer Sony can string along people, the better for them. If they came out and said "no PS3 until 2007, then everyone can justify a Xbox 360 purchase right now.
I agree with this...because this is exactly what I was thinking when I read the report. Ive been waiting for the PS3 like a lot of people. But if it is looking like 2007 or 2008 before it comes out...I will have to break down and and go ahead and get me an Xbox 360.
Gotta have my Madden Football in HD sooner rather than later. :D
I agree with this...because this is exactly what I was thinking when I read the report. Ive been waiting for the PS3 like a lot of people. But if it is looking like 2007 or 2008 before it comes out...I will have to break down and and go ahead and get me an Xbox 360.
Gotta have my Madden Football in HD sooner rather than later. :D
heavyness
02-22-2006, 03:26 PM
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/god-of-war/sony-leak-gt4-online-god-of-war-2-and-more-156263.php
The report apparently confirms that the next God of War game will be for PS2, not PS3 (though Sony wants to grow the series into a multi-platform franchise) and is due in Feb 2007.
ok, God of War, best game of the year, not being put on the PS3? and its going to be released in 2007? do the guys over at SCE Studios Santa Monica know something we don't? i just find it weird. as for online GTA, not a big fan of the franchise, but i'm sure that will turn a lot of heads.
The report apparently confirms that the next God of War game will be for PS2, not PS3 (though Sony wants to grow the series into a multi-platform franchise) and is due in Feb 2007.
ok, God of War, best game of the year, not being put on the PS3? and its going to be released in 2007? do the guys over at SCE Studios Santa Monica know something we don't? i just find it weird. as for online GTA, not a big fan of the franchise, but i'm sure that will turn a lot of heads.
pixelmonk
02-22-2006, 05:19 PM
I'm happy the PS3 is late. I'm just surprised all the fanboys haven't chimed in yet whining about it. I can't wait for the same with the Revolution! Now that'll be a great day!
Kion
02-22-2006, 06:02 PM
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/god-of-war/sony-leak-gt4-online-god-of-war-2-and-more-156263.php
ok, God of War, best game of the year, not being put on the PS3? and its going to be released in 2007? do the guys over at SCE Studios Santa Monica know something we don't? i just find it weird. as for online GTA, not a big fan of the franchise, but i'm sure that will turn a lot of heads.
Puting god of war on the ps2 is smart, there are more than 100 million ps2 compare that to the number of ps3's.
ok, God of War, best game of the year, not being put on the PS3? and its going to be released in 2007? do the guys over at SCE Studios Santa Monica know something we don't? i just find it weird. as for online GTA, not a big fan of the franchise, but i'm sure that will turn a lot of heads.
Puting god of war on the ps2 is smart, there are more than 100 million ps2 compare that to the number of ps3's.
laureato di arte
02-22-2006, 11:05 PM
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Now Forbes chimes in on the action, but investors have faith.
by Jane Pinckard (http://www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5629882), 02/22/2006 41 of 56 users recommend this story.
In spite of Sony's sticking to their story about the spring launch, the doubts keep mushrooming among industry analysts and members of the press. Forbes.com is the latest to weigh in (http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/22/stringer-sony-ps3-cx_cn_0222autofacescan10.html?partner=rss) on whether the PS3 can really launch in the timeframe set by the company. Is the news making investors a bit nervous? Not really. This is, after all, the behemoth Sony we're talking about. Since last week, when the latest round of rumors started, Sony's stock has dipped slightly, but is trading as of this report at a respectable 46.65, not far below the 52-week high of 51.16.
It surely rankles Sony to have to wait while Microsoft fulfills 360 orders, but they're in no danger of losing the console war.
Now Forbes chimes in on the action, but investors have faith.
by Jane Pinckard (http://www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5629882), 02/22/2006 41 of 56 users recommend this story.
In spite of Sony's sticking to their story about the spring launch, the doubts keep mushrooming among industry analysts and members of the press. Forbes.com is the latest to weigh in (http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/22/stringer-sony-ps3-cx_cn_0222autofacescan10.html?partner=rss) on whether the PS3 can really launch in the timeframe set by the company. Is the news making investors a bit nervous? Not really. This is, after all, the behemoth Sony we're talking about. Since last week, when the latest round of rumors started, Sony's stock has dipped slightly, but is trading as of this report at a respectable 46.65, not far below the 52-week high of 51.16.
It surely rankles Sony to have to wait while Microsoft fulfills 360 orders, but they're in no danger of losing the console war.
Kentaro
02-23-2006, 01:25 AM
One can look at the delay after delay of the Sony DVD release of Final Fantasy Advent children, the issue last year with the security hole software on cd's, which led to them now being suded by many US states ie "Texas" , that something indeed is amonk at Sony. Apple is killing them with there Ipod's and media devices, and Microsoft has a head start with its XBox 360 system with loads of game hitting the market come March and April.
A lot is riding on this Blue Ray and cell technology for Sony and the Engineers at Sony are banging there heads on the wall making it work. There's a common notion amongst creators and engineers of this stuff. if u can't get it to work right in the controlled environment at the Song Engineer Center, then its not going to work well once released to the user or customer. People I know that work on this stuff are throwing it against the wall to make it work right. And there not being 100% successfull.
$900 bucks is alot of money for the average american gamer who plays games on the console and not the pc. I cant see many parent buying there child a $900 plus system this year, with our present US economy.
Sony's going to have to have a limited release of the PS3, say about 2-3 million word wide, build more, test more and wait to parts and componets go down. Pray the world falls in love with Blue Ray technology which right now cost $1,000 in the stores and pray even more that cell chip by IBM doesnt over heat and melt inside the system of the 3 million people who buy it by years end and next year.
Microsoft even though having problems with there 360, should be riding high come Christmas 2006, and Spring 2007.
360 games will be out by the truck load come summer, and then only a select few will have there hands on the PS3 IF IT COMES OUT ON TIME.
So yes Sony's has a major hurdle to climb. They got Apple to look out for and they have Microsoft to look out for. The game war has begun. Choose your sides wisely. And have fun in the process.
A lot is riding on this Blue Ray and cell technology for Sony and the Engineers at Sony are banging there heads on the wall making it work. There's a common notion amongst creators and engineers of this stuff. if u can't get it to work right in the controlled environment at the Song Engineer Center, then its not going to work well once released to the user or customer. People I know that work on this stuff are throwing it against the wall to make it work right. And there not being 100% successfull.
$900 bucks is alot of money for the average american gamer who plays games on the console and not the pc. I cant see many parent buying there child a $900 plus system this year, with our present US economy.
Sony's going to have to have a limited release of the PS3, say about 2-3 million word wide, build more, test more and wait to parts and componets go down. Pray the world falls in love with Blue Ray technology which right now cost $1,000 in the stores and pray even more that cell chip by IBM doesnt over heat and melt inside the system of the 3 million people who buy it by years end and next year.
Microsoft even though having problems with there 360, should be riding high come Christmas 2006, and Spring 2007.
360 games will be out by the truck load come summer, and then only a select few will have there hands on the PS3 IF IT COMES OUT ON TIME.
So yes Sony's has a major hurdle to climb. They got Apple to look out for and they have Microsoft to look out for. The game war has begun. Choose your sides wisely. And have fun in the process.
xino
02-23-2006, 08:42 AM
One can look at the delay after delay of the Sony DVD release of Final Fantasy Advent children,
Sorry but I had to totally ignore the rest of your post because of that one fragment.
The release date which had never been confirmed by Sony and only listed on websites (go check Gamestop or Amazon for Duke Nukem forever and I'm sure you'll get what I'm saying) is actually used as a sign that Sony is in trouble? That's possibly the worst consumer comment I've ever read.
Localization takes ALOT of time and it's not just dubbing American/English voices. Perhaps learning what localization entails would give you a further understanding.
I'm sorry to derail this forum post but I just had to comment about that for a bit.
Back on topic:
Like a poster before me stated, Sony is in no way on the verge of losing the console war. Just because a game system comes first, doesn't make it the best. Sega Genesis add-ons anyone? Now don't get me wrong, I don't really care which system is "better", I only buy a system for the games. I still have my PS2 when I sold my Gamecube and Xbox because I've played and beaten all the games I wanted to for those systems. PS2 still has games I want to play, unlike the others.
In 3 years time we maybe can say who "won" the console war. All of this fanboyism from each console camp so far is just a bunch of teenager-like posturing. No one can predict a console launch or how well it would do.
If they could, the Genesis (and all of it's add-ons), the Saturn, and the Virtual Boy would all have been the clear winners, which none of them were. (Notice I said clear, not favorite which is a major difference.)
Sorry but I had to totally ignore the rest of your post because of that one fragment.
The release date which had never been confirmed by Sony and only listed on websites (go check Gamestop or Amazon for Duke Nukem forever and I'm sure you'll get what I'm saying) is actually used as a sign that Sony is in trouble? That's possibly the worst consumer comment I've ever read.
Localization takes ALOT of time and it's not just dubbing American/English voices. Perhaps learning what localization entails would give you a further understanding.
I'm sorry to derail this forum post but I just had to comment about that for a bit.
Back on topic:
Like a poster before me stated, Sony is in no way on the verge of losing the console war. Just because a game system comes first, doesn't make it the best. Sega Genesis add-ons anyone? Now don't get me wrong, I don't really care which system is "better", I only buy a system for the games. I still have my PS2 when I sold my Gamecube and Xbox because I've played and beaten all the games I wanted to for those systems. PS2 still has games I want to play, unlike the others.
In 3 years time we maybe can say who "won" the console war. All of this fanboyism from each console camp so far is just a bunch of teenager-like posturing. No one can predict a console launch or how well it would do.
If they could, the Genesis (and all of it's add-ons), the Saturn, and the Virtual Boy would all have been the clear winners, which none of them were. (Notice I said clear, not favorite which is a major difference.)
adityamatharu
02-24-2006, 03:55 PM
I do think PS3 is gonna be delayed cause according to a new article on ps3land yesterday someone from sony I think confirmed that the design on PS3 that weve been seeing has not been finalised yet.
I mean if the outer shell of the machine is not finalised then hopes are pretty low for a spring launch as its almost spring. And also I have yet to see someone actually play a PS3 game. I dont want fantastic cinematics, just a simple gameplay screenshot with a health bar and a ammo HUD.
I mean if the outer shell of the machine is not finalised then hopes are pretty low for a spring launch as its almost spring. And also I have yet to see someone actually play a PS3 game. I dont want fantastic cinematics, just a simple gameplay screenshot with a health bar and a ammo HUD.
GreyWolf_OPS
02-24-2006, 05:41 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/23/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/
Logic sometimes isn't enough, though. To get additional perspective on the situation, I spoke with several of Sony's partners (who are in regular contact with the company) and competitors (who keep a close eye on the PS3's launch window) about the report. No one was willing to talk on the record for fear of reprisal, but the consensus was nearly universal.
The promised spring launch (which was expected in Japan, but not North America) will likely be pushed back, they said. The North American launch, which was always expected to occur later this year (November is the consensus), is not expected to change. Europe may well not see the PS3 until next year.
As for that $900 per box wholesale figure, everyone agreed it sounded high. Sony will lose money on early PS3 hardware sales, just as Microsoft is losing money on Xbox 360 sales right now. But it's not likely to swallow $400 to $500 per unit.
Just gotta say that its gonna be _really_ tough for Sony these next couple of years. Especially if they are not willing to eat $400 per unit. Its gonna be intersting how the actual sales do, considering they will have reached a new record for "Most Expensive Console." Kinda reminds me of the NeoGeo where pricing is concerned. Granted the NeoGeo was _way_ overpriced.. but Sony might not be too far off.
Personally I think they should just dump the BluRay drive since there wont be a game out in 2-3 years that will fully utilize it. Sure they can put a ton of FMV on there but game content aside, it wont happen as many have said in response to why x360 does not have a HD DVD drive. There could be the BetaMax all over again. Wasnt the Beta more expensive. Ach but it was before my time, more or less caught it on the tail end of the dual. I will say that I wont want a HD DVD until they fix the DRM battle going on.
Logic sometimes isn't enough, though. To get additional perspective on the situation, I spoke with several of Sony's partners (who are in regular contact with the company) and competitors (who keep a close eye on the PS3's launch window) about the report. No one was willing to talk on the record for fear of reprisal, but the consensus was nearly universal.
The promised spring launch (which was expected in Japan, but not North America) will likely be pushed back, they said. The North American launch, which was always expected to occur later this year (November is the consensus), is not expected to change. Europe may well not see the PS3 until next year.
As for that $900 per box wholesale figure, everyone agreed it sounded high. Sony will lose money on early PS3 hardware sales, just as Microsoft is losing money on Xbox 360 sales right now. But it's not likely to swallow $400 to $500 per unit.
Just gotta say that its gonna be _really_ tough for Sony these next couple of years. Especially if they are not willing to eat $400 per unit. Its gonna be intersting how the actual sales do, considering they will have reached a new record for "Most Expensive Console." Kinda reminds me of the NeoGeo where pricing is concerned. Granted the NeoGeo was _way_ overpriced.. but Sony might not be too far off.
Personally I think they should just dump the BluRay drive since there wont be a game out in 2-3 years that will fully utilize it. Sure they can put a ton of FMV on there but game content aside, it wont happen as many have said in response to why x360 does not have a HD DVD drive. There could be the BetaMax all over again. Wasnt the Beta more expensive. Ach but it was before my time, more or less caught it on the tail end of the dual. I will say that I wont want a HD DVD until they fix the DRM battle going on.
mummey
02-24-2006, 05:47 PM
Gamers are willing to throw down $600+ for a graphics card these days... :shrug:
Berserga
02-24-2006, 08:26 PM
Gamers are willing to throw down $600+ for a graphics card these days...
Not this gamer. :p
Not this gamer. :p
heavyness
02-24-2006, 11:13 PM
Gamers are willing to throw down $600+ for a graphics card these days... :shrug:
most hardcore games would spend $600+, but not the general public. $400-$500 is ok, but after $500, the general gamer starts to think and holds off for a price drop. the hardcore players are still just a fraction of gamers out there... its the general public, the masses that will decide which system wins.
most hardcore games would spend $600+, but not the general public. $400-$500 is ok, but after $500, the general gamer starts to think and holds off for a price drop. the hardcore players are still just a fraction of gamers out there... its the general public, the masses that will decide which system wins.
DevilHacker
02-24-2006, 11:32 PM
Gamers are willing to throw down $600+ for a graphics card these days... :shrug:very few...
Frank Lake
02-24-2006, 11:52 PM
Localization takes ALOT of time and it's not just dubbing American/English voices. Perhaps learning what localization entails would give you a further understanding.
Complete and equal localization only takes as long as the intial dubbing does in it's native language. The japanese could easly remove the distrubtion middle-men by dubbing them along-side of their native language ones and the quality would be far more superior to the sloop we currently get. They can release on the same day if they so wished and it could eliminate 90% of the 'fansubbing' that happens by doing so.
Everyone remotely 'Net, anime, or distrubtion sauve knows that Sony have indeed 'screwed-the-poch' on this! And it's fact because the 'fans' had their hands on translated copy's within 12 hours of release.
Anyways Sony had better have a TITANIC E3 show for stubbing the CEA one! ;)
Complete and equal localization only takes as long as the intial dubbing does in it's native language. The japanese could easly remove the distrubtion middle-men by dubbing them along-side of their native language ones and the quality would be far more superior to the sloop we currently get. They can release on the same day if they so wished and it could eliminate 90% of the 'fansubbing' that happens by doing so.
Everyone remotely 'Net, anime, or distrubtion sauve knows that Sony have indeed 'screwed-the-poch' on this! And it's fact because the 'fans' had their hands on translated copy's within 12 hours of release.
Anyways Sony had better have a TITANIC E3 show for stubbing the CEA one! ;)
xino
02-25-2006, 04:33 AM
Complete and equal localization only takes as long as the intial dubbing does in it's native language. The japanese could easly remove the distrubtion middle-men by dubbing them along-side of their native language ones and the quality would be far more superior to the sloop we currently get. They can release on the same day if they so wished and it could eliminate 90% of the 'fansubbing' that happens by doing so.
Everyone remotely 'Net, anime, or distrubtion sauve knows that Sony have indeed 'screwed-the-poch' on this! And it's fact because the 'fans' had their hands on translated copy's within 12 hours of release.
Anyways Sony had better have a TITANIC E3 show for stubbing the CEA one! ;)
Yet again someone who thinks localization is just dubbing in voices. It is not just dubbing voices. Most localization is actually cultural. Although apparently few people seem to actually know that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editing_of_anime_in_international_distribution
Everyone remotely 'Net, anime, or distrubtion sauve knows that Sony have indeed 'screwed-the-poch' on this! And it's fact because the 'fans' had their hands on translated copy's within 12 hours of release.
Anyways Sony had better have a TITANIC E3 show for stubbing the CEA one! ;)
Yet again someone who thinks localization is just dubbing in voices. It is not just dubbing voices. Most localization is actually cultural. Although apparently few people seem to actually know that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editing_of_anime_in_international_distribution
innermindseye
02-25-2006, 12:12 PM
Hah. Where is Phil Osirus, and the other MGS avatar fanboys. This is hilarious. And has Phil actually managed to admit to himself that the killzone trailers were totally fake? I remember him putting up an extremely tough fight when that came out.
oooooh this is PRICELESS.
oooooh this is PRICELESS.
innermindseye
02-25-2006, 12:16 PM
Of corse Sony is going to deny it, and it is my firm belief that they WILL launch it as they plan to.
That still does'nt change the fact that I do beleave they are haveing hardware problems, which past launces of both their system and competitors systems prove, that these companys are more then happy to launch a system they know has problems, just to sell the units. (PSP had dead pixels and battary problems, X brick 360 still has cooling problems, and is'nt itsomewhere in the ball park of 20-30% of their systems still have problems reading all the games? And the list goes on to problems with the PS2 and original xbox launch as well.)
So yeah I firmly beleave its comming out, but I still belave its going to have problems on the initial launch councils. Like they always do these days, with the exeption of Nintendo. I can't remember any of their systems haveing problems with their launch units.
uuuuuhmm, my 'xbrick' 360 as you call it, which is actually smaller than the xbox, the new ps TREE, and same size as a ps2 dosnt seem to have any problems whatsoever.
It has never over heated, never shut down, never spat out a game as unreadable, and i have it horizontal, vertical, and iv been carrying it around smacking it about in a bag to my friends houses, and still no probs. Kind of makes you think that the rumours were started off by loads of MS haters, duh duh duuuuuuuh.
That still does'nt change the fact that I do beleave they are haveing hardware problems, which past launces of both their system and competitors systems prove, that these companys are more then happy to launch a system they know has problems, just to sell the units. (PSP had dead pixels and battary problems, X brick 360 still has cooling problems, and is'nt itsomewhere in the ball park of 20-30% of their systems still have problems reading all the games? And the list goes on to problems with the PS2 and original xbox launch as well.)
So yeah I firmly beleave its comming out, but I still belave its going to have problems on the initial launch councils. Like they always do these days, with the exeption of Nintendo. I can't remember any of their systems haveing problems with their launch units.
uuuuuhmm, my 'xbrick' 360 as you call it, which is actually smaller than the xbox, the new ps TREE, and same size as a ps2 dosnt seem to have any problems whatsoever.
It has never over heated, never shut down, never spat out a game as unreadable, and i have it horizontal, vertical, and iv been carrying it around smacking it about in a bag to my friends houses, and still no probs. Kind of makes you think that the rumours were started off by loads of MS haters, duh duh duuuuuuuh.
GreyWolf_OPS
02-25-2006, 09:05 PM
Of corse Sony is going to deny it, and it is my firm belief that they WILL launch it as they plan to.
That still does'nt change the fact that I do beleave they are haveing hardware problems, which past launces of both their system and competitors systems prove, that these companys are more then happy to launch a system they know has problems, just to sell the units. (PSP had dead pixels and battary problems, X brick 360 still has cooling problems, and is'nt itsomewhere in the ball park of 20-30% of their systems still have problems reading all the games? And the list goes on to problems with the PS2 and original xbox launch as well.)
So yeah I firmly beleave its comming out, but I still belave its going to have problems on the initial launch councils. Like they always do these days, with the exeption of Nintendo. I can't remember any of their systems haveing problems with their launch units.
You know its kinda funny you mention this. Because I used to work as a beta tester once for SCEA. And this was at the time when Sony was having problems with their PS2 not wanting to read the disc after a certain while. And I remember this exactly like it was the day I was there. They told us that they found out what the problem was, but Sony was not going to replace the systems that were faulty. Rather they would have the customers replace the systems @ the store who purchased the extended warrenty, this way when they replaced their system it would mean that they sold more systems. As it was explained to us how the store extended policy in sales translates to a new PS2 sale. Eventually Sony did fix the problems with the system, which was the placement of a simple wire that was getting pinched when the drive opened and closed. And there were a couple of other minor things that could have been fixed, but it would have been a simple fix. And if I hadn't known that I would not have been so adamant about not buying a PS2.
My point. Well Sony knows that they have a fanboy following. And so they will be less inclined to fix the problems with their systems because they know that their following will pretty much put up with whatever mistake they make with the system. Because ultimately its a numbers game and they will need to get their numbers up, especially considers x360 came out so soon. So if you for some reason notice that their numbers are gaining even though they have many problems with the system. Well I have to say Sony loves playing the numbers game and their numbers in my eyes lie. Its also intresting to note that every single employee at the office that I worked @ bought a XBox because it was such a well developed system. Cant say the same for the PS2.
I will also go on record here and say that I am amazed that everyone is so optomistic about Sony even though they clear have "screw-the-pooch" on the whole PS3. And there are so many willing to bash x360. In all fairness, I dont own any console myself now. I have always been an avid pc gamer. But I have to say with these next gen systems coming out, I am willing to buy one of the systems. Tired of spending so much for pc games. But I have to say the way things are shaping up I know which system I will not be buying.
That still does'nt change the fact that I do beleave they are haveing hardware problems, which past launces of both their system and competitors systems prove, that these companys are more then happy to launch a system they know has problems, just to sell the units. (PSP had dead pixels and battary problems, X brick 360 still has cooling problems, and is'nt itsomewhere in the ball park of 20-30% of their systems still have problems reading all the games? And the list goes on to problems with the PS2 and original xbox launch as well.)
So yeah I firmly beleave its comming out, but I still belave its going to have problems on the initial launch councils. Like they always do these days, with the exeption of Nintendo. I can't remember any of their systems haveing problems with their launch units.
You know its kinda funny you mention this. Because I used to work as a beta tester once for SCEA. And this was at the time when Sony was having problems with their PS2 not wanting to read the disc after a certain while. And I remember this exactly like it was the day I was there. They told us that they found out what the problem was, but Sony was not going to replace the systems that were faulty. Rather they would have the customers replace the systems @ the store who purchased the extended warrenty, this way when they replaced their system it would mean that they sold more systems. As it was explained to us how the store extended policy in sales translates to a new PS2 sale. Eventually Sony did fix the problems with the system, which was the placement of a simple wire that was getting pinched when the drive opened and closed. And there were a couple of other minor things that could have been fixed, but it would have been a simple fix. And if I hadn't known that I would not have been so adamant about not buying a PS2.
My point. Well Sony knows that they have a fanboy following. And so they will be less inclined to fix the problems with their systems because they know that their following will pretty much put up with whatever mistake they make with the system. Because ultimately its a numbers game and they will need to get their numbers up, especially considers x360 came out so soon. So if you for some reason notice that their numbers are gaining even though they have many problems with the system. Well I have to say Sony loves playing the numbers game and their numbers in my eyes lie. Its also intresting to note that every single employee at the office that I worked @ bought a XBox because it was such a well developed system. Cant say the same for the PS2.
I will also go on record here and say that I am amazed that everyone is so optomistic about Sony even though they clear have "screw-the-pooch" on the whole PS3. And there are so many willing to bash x360. In all fairness, I dont own any console myself now. I have always been an avid pc gamer. But I have to say with these next gen systems coming out, I am willing to buy one of the systems. Tired of spending so much for pc games. But I have to say the way things are shaping up I know which system I will not be buying.
Sonk
02-26-2006, 02:21 AM
This thread makes me chuckle, to see how many people lives revolve around the PS3(and the fact that this thread is started by the biggest Nintendo fanboy cgtalk). Advice to you guys, just wait until its release(whenever that well be, delay or not). Also the PS3 price hasnt been annouce, so take any price you hear from "insider" with a grain of salt. I for one still think the PS3 well be sold at 299 USD before tax in the US. Also i dont really care if they delay the PS3, better than rushing it out ala XBOX360..
PS> being first to the market, doesnt mean anything. Alot of misinformation in this thread, its not even funny..if you like being misform, this is the thread for you :D . When MGS4 is out, i'll buy a PS3.
peace.
PS> being first to the market, doesnt mean anything. Alot of misinformation in this thread, its not even funny..if you like being misform, this is the thread for you :D . When MGS4 is out, i'll buy a PS3.
peace.
Berserga
02-26-2006, 02:36 AM
most hardcore games would spend $600+
I'd consider myself pretty Hardcore, I've owned (and still have most of) 14 consoles, not counting handhelds. I import games, and I have a moderately high end PC with a decent mid range video card. (and several older ones that I have hooked up for LAN games) I would seriously balk at spending More than $300 on a video card.
If Ps3 costs more than $500 at launch in the states it will not have mass appeal, which is nessisary to make up for the huge loss they have to eat in hardware costs. I'd go so far as to say that $500 is my ABSOLUTE limit of how much I might spend on a console.
I'd consider myself pretty Hardcore, I've owned (and still have most of) 14 consoles, not counting handhelds. I import games, and I have a moderately high end PC with a decent mid range video card. (and several older ones that I have hooked up for LAN games) I would seriously balk at spending More than $300 on a video card.
If Ps3 costs more than $500 at launch in the states it will not have mass appeal, which is nessisary to make up for the huge loss they have to eat in hardware costs. I'd go so far as to say that $500 is my ABSOLUTE limit of how much I might spend on a console.
parallax
02-26-2006, 09:28 AM
This thread makes me chuckle, to see how many people lives revolve around the PS3(and the fact that this thread is started by the biggest Nintendo fanboy cgtalk). Advice to you guys, just wait until its release(whenever that well be, delay or not). Also the PS3 price hasnt been annouce, so take any price you hear from "insider" with a grain of salt. I for one still think the PS3 well be sold at 299 USD before tax in the US. Also i dont really care if they delay the PS3, better than rushing it out ala XBOX360..
PS> being first to the market, doesnt mean anything. Alot of misinformation in this thread, its not even funny..if you like being misform, this is the thread for you :D . When MGS4 is out, i'll buy a PS3.
peace.
I do appreciate the irony in this post.
PS> being first to the market, doesnt mean anything. Alot of misinformation in this thread, its not even funny..if you like being misform, this is the thread for you :D . When MGS4 is out, i'll buy a PS3.
peace.
I do appreciate the irony in this post.
laureato di arte
02-26-2006, 09:47 AM
....and the fact that this thread is started by the biggest Nintendo fanboy cgtalk
what are you trying to say son?
what are you trying to say son?
poly-phobic
02-26-2006, 04:28 PM
what are you trying to say son?
lol. :)
i think we all know your stance when it comes to the big "N" by now:D
lol. :)
i think we all know your stance when it comes to the big "N" by now:D
SpiralFace
02-26-2006, 05:07 PM
uuuuuhmm, my 'xbrick' 360 as you call it, which is actually smaller than the xbox, the new ps TREE, and same size as a ps2 dosnt seem to have any problems whatsoever.
It has never over heated, never shut down, never spat out a game as unreadable, and i have it horizontal, vertical, and iv been carrying it around smacking it about in a bag to my friends houses, and still no probs. Kind of makes you think that the rumours were started off by loads of MS haters, duh duh duuuuuuuh.
I beleave your missing my point...
20-30% of the xboxes are reported to be faulty. not all of them. I'm not claiming that they all are faulty, and I'm not claiming the system you picked up was a bad system. And I'm not shooting down the x-box itself. (The X-brick is what we call them at my retail store more for their WEIGHT then their size compared to systems besides the X-box itself. And I do beleave it was the best system of the last generation, I just wished it had more game support.) But just becuase yours works fine does'nt mean that the whole launch was fine. It is a commonly known fact around retailers and I'm sure many of the readers here So its not like I'm not makeing these problems up to shoot down the system.
Its what is actualy happening, whether you want to hear about it or not.
You know its kinda funny you mention this. Because I used to work as a beta tester once for SCEA. And this was at the time when Sony was having problems with their PS2 not wanting to read the disc after a certain while. And I remember this exactly like it was the day I was there. They told us that they found out what the problem was, but Sony was not going to replace the systems that were faulty. Rather they would have the customers replace the systems @ the store who purchased the extended warrenty, this way when they replaced their system it would mean that they sold more systems. As it was explained to us how the store extended policy in sales translates to a new PS2 sale. Eventually Sony did fix the problems with the system, which was the placement of a simple wire that was getting pinched when the drive opened and closed. And there were a couple of other minor things that could have been fixed, but it would have been a simple fix. And if I hadn't known that I would not have been so adamant about not buying a PS2.
My point. Well Sony knows that they have a fanboy following. And so they will be less inclined to fix the problems with their systems because they know that their following will pretty much put up with whatever mistake they make with the system. Because ultimately its a numbers game and they will need to get their numbers up, especially considers x360 came out so soon. So if you for some reason notice that their numbers are gaining even though they have many problems with the system. Well I have to say Sony loves playing the numbers game and their numbers in my eyes lie. Its also intresting to note that every single employee at the office that I worked @ bought a XBox because it was such a well developed system. Cant say the same for the PS2.
I will also go on record here and say that I am amazed that everyone is so optomistic about Sony even though they clear have "screw-the-pooch" on the whole PS3. And there are so many willing to bash x360. In all fairness, I dont own any console myself now. I have always been an avid pc gamer. But I have to say with these next gen systems coming out, I am willing to buy one of the systems. Tired of spending so much for pc games. But I have to say the way things are shaping up I know which system I will not be buying.
This is what I've heard around the grapevine as well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleave they got sued over the "Disc Read Error" problems they had with the system specificaly for the reasons you mentioned above. I know for a fact that there was a time when you could call a number, ship it out to sony and have them re-place the system. And I know for a fact that it actualy existed becase I told my old room mate about it and he cashed in on it. The deal is no longer around anymore though, and it was never advertised. The only reason we found out about it was because we knew a few people who actualy worked at Sony at the time.
Anyways its good to see that at least one person has'nt forgoten the tactics sony uses at their launches. Not to say that the system is bad because I'm sure I'm going to be buying one in the future, but I'm most likely going to hold off untill the second run of systems to fix whatever enevitable sony problem they are going to have with their launch units.
It has never over heated, never shut down, never spat out a game as unreadable, and i have it horizontal, vertical, and iv been carrying it around smacking it about in a bag to my friends houses, and still no probs. Kind of makes you think that the rumours were started off by loads of MS haters, duh duh duuuuuuuh.
I beleave your missing my point...
20-30% of the xboxes are reported to be faulty. not all of them. I'm not claiming that they all are faulty, and I'm not claiming the system you picked up was a bad system. And I'm not shooting down the x-box itself. (The X-brick is what we call them at my retail store more for their WEIGHT then their size compared to systems besides the X-box itself. And I do beleave it was the best system of the last generation, I just wished it had more game support.) But just becuase yours works fine does'nt mean that the whole launch was fine. It is a commonly known fact around retailers and I'm sure many of the readers here So its not like I'm not makeing these problems up to shoot down the system.
Its what is actualy happening, whether you want to hear about it or not.
You know its kinda funny you mention this. Because I used to work as a beta tester once for SCEA. And this was at the time when Sony was having problems with their PS2 not wanting to read the disc after a certain while. And I remember this exactly like it was the day I was there. They told us that they found out what the problem was, but Sony was not going to replace the systems that were faulty. Rather they would have the customers replace the systems @ the store who purchased the extended warrenty, this way when they replaced their system it would mean that they sold more systems. As it was explained to us how the store extended policy in sales translates to a new PS2 sale. Eventually Sony did fix the problems with the system, which was the placement of a simple wire that was getting pinched when the drive opened and closed. And there were a couple of other minor things that could have been fixed, but it would have been a simple fix. And if I hadn't known that I would not have been so adamant about not buying a PS2.
My point. Well Sony knows that they have a fanboy following. And so they will be less inclined to fix the problems with their systems because they know that their following will pretty much put up with whatever mistake they make with the system. Because ultimately its a numbers game and they will need to get their numbers up, especially considers x360 came out so soon. So if you for some reason notice that their numbers are gaining even though they have many problems with the system. Well I have to say Sony loves playing the numbers game and their numbers in my eyes lie. Its also intresting to note that every single employee at the office that I worked @ bought a XBox because it was such a well developed system. Cant say the same for the PS2.
I will also go on record here and say that I am amazed that everyone is so optomistic about Sony even though they clear have "screw-the-pooch" on the whole PS3. And there are so many willing to bash x360. In all fairness, I dont own any console myself now. I have always been an avid pc gamer. But I have to say with these next gen systems coming out, I am willing to buy one of the systems. Tired of spending so much for pc games. But I have to say the way things are shaping up I know which system I will not be buying.
This is what I've heard around the grapevine as well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleave they got sued over the "Disc Read Error" problems they had with the system specificaly for the reasons you mentioned above. I know for a fact that there was a time when you could call a number, ship it out to sony and have them re-place the system. And I know for a fact that it actualy existed becase I told my old room mate about it and he cashed in on it. The deal is no longer around anymore though, and it was never advertised. The only reason we found out about it was because we knew a few people who actualy worked at Sony at the time.
Anyways its good to see that at least one person has'nt forgoten the tactics sony uses at their launches. Not to say that the system is bad because I'm sure I'm going to be buying one in the future, but I'm most likely going to hold off untill the second run of systems to fix whatever enevitable sony problem they are going to have with their launch units.
laureato di arte
02-26-2006, 05:48 PM
lol. :)
i think we all know your stance when it comes to the big "N" by now:D
maybe so, but did i ever say I am a fanboy? I am interested to see which post Son remembers me saying this from?
i think we all know your stance when it comes to the big "N" by now:D
maybe so, but did i ever say I am a fanboy? I am interested to see which post Son remembers me saying this from?
DevilHacker
02-26-2006, 06:37 PM
I beleave your missing my point...
20-30% of the xboxes are reported to be faulty.I dont know where your getting your information from... I believe it was under 10%... around 6%... which is not bad for an system launch.
20-30% of the xboxes are reported to be faulty.I dont know where your getting your information from... I believe it was under 10%... around 6%... which is not bad for an system launch.
DevilHacker
02-26-2006, 06:40 PM
maybe so, but did i ever say I am a fanboy? I am interested to see which post Son remembers me saying this from?Which post? Pick one! I could do an search on just CGTalk and get dozens of posts and threads.
laureato di arte
02-26-2006, 06:55 PM
Which post? Pick one! I could do an search on just CGTalk and get dozens of posts and threads. yes pick one.
DevilHacker
02-26-2006, 07:32 PM
yes pick one.
Hey, I have nothing against you.
Please note that I am not trying to put you down or discredit you in any way, shape, or form. I am not going to go about posting examples trying to discredit you, as I do not want this to turn into an personal argument, anyone doing an search can see that 3/4th of your posts are pro-Nintendo, which could lead many to believe you to be what is now known as an ‘fanboy’. That was the only thing I was trying to point out.
Have an good day.
-Daren Loney
Hey, I have nothing against you.
Please note that I am not trying to put you down or discredit you in any way, shape, or form. I am not going to go about posting examples trying to discredit you, as I do not want this to turn into an personal argument, anyone doing an search can see that 3/4th of your posts are pro-Nintendo, which could lead many to believe you to be what is now known as an ‘fanboy’. That was the only thing I was trying to point out.
Have an good day.
-Daren Loney
laureato di arte
02-26-2006, 07:51 PM
Hey, I have nothing against you.
Please note that I am not trying to put you down or discredit you in any way, shape, or form. I am not going to go about posting examples trying to discredit you, as I do not want this to turn into an personal argument, anyone doing an search can see that 3/4th of your posts are pro-Nintendo, which could lead many to believe you to be what is now known as an ‘fanboy’. That was the only thing I was trying to point out.
Have an good day.
-Daren Loney
hello no problem, thanks for the explanation. Yes allot of my posts are pro nintendo posts, this is because I respect what nintendo are trying to do with the industry. As I have stated before nintendo are not the only ones who are trying to bring innovative games to the table. The reason I made this post wasnt to discredit sony, although I stick to my guns that I take allot of what sony say with a pinch of salt until i actually see proof. My reason for this post is because a delay of the ps3 could in my opininon be a big thing in the industry.
I also plan on getting a PS3, as i have a ps2 and had a ps1. Reason for this is because there are certain exclusives, ig Ico or MGS , or Okami, these are games that push innovation in the industry and that is why you may see me make posts on them, as well as other things.
In allot of my pro nintendo posts, I always have to state, I am not a Nintendo Fanboy, I am a core gamer or a gaming purist, I love games that are decent on whatever system they are on. I hate to see the state that the industry is in at the moment. Maybe at a first glance some one would say "oh fanboy alert" but sometimes peeps need to see thats not my stand on things, by simply reading what i say, not what they think i am saying. My favorite games are Zelda, MGS3, and Ico, just because two of my games are on sony systems dosnt make me a sony fanboy either.
cheers
Please note that I am not trying to put you down or discredit you in any way, shape, or form. I am not going to go about posting examples trying to discredit you, as I do not want this to turn into an personal argument, anyone doing an search can see that 3/4th of your posts are pro-Nintendo, which could lead many to believe you to be what is now known as an ‘fanboy’. That was the only thing I was trying to point out.
Have an good day.
-Daren Loney
hello no problem, thanks for the explanation. Yes allot of my posts are pro nintendo posts, this is because I respect what nintendo are trying to do with the industry. As I have stated before nintendo are not the only ones who are trying to bring innovative games to the table. The reason I made this post wasnt to discredit sony, although I stick to my guns that I take allot of what sony say with a pinch of salt until i actually see proof. My reason for this post is because a delay of the ps3 could in my opininon be a big thing in the industry.
I also plan on getting a PS3, as i have a ps2 and had a ps1. Reason for this is because there are certain exclusives, ig Ico or MGS , or Okami, these are games that push innovation in the industry and that is why you may see me make posts on them, as well as other things.
In allot of my pro nintendo posts, I always have to state, I am not a Nintendo Fanboy, I am a core gamer or a gaming purist, I love games that are decent on whatever system they are on. I hate to see the state that the industry is in at the moment. Maybe at a first glance some one would say "oh fanboy alert" but sometimes peeps need to see thats not my stand on things, by simply reading what i say, not what they think i am saying. My favorite games are Zelda, MGS3, and Ico, just because two of my games are on sony systems dosnt make me a sony fanboy either.
cheers
SpiralFace
02-27-2006, 05:27 AM
I dont know where your getting your information from... I believe it was under 10%... around 6%... which is not bad for an system launch.
Can't seem to find the artical saying the numbers, but I beleave it was Iether here at CG talk, at Gamasutra, or over at IGN. I can't remember where or what the exact number was, thats why I put somewhere in the 20-30% ball park.
Keep in mind this was an artical about the launch units and not the number of units that is on the market now (probably why I can't find it as it was sometime around late november early december that I read that.). I'm sure your numbers are right about the units available at this time, but I simply put that up there to illustrate why I beleave no one should rush out to buy the launch units, becuase they are bound to have problems in a higher percentile then they should. (Not to mention Sony has a history of long term lazer problems with both their original Playstation, and PS2 units. Its too early to tell if the PSP is effected by this but personaly I hope not:hmm:. )
Can't seem to find the artical saying the numbers, but I beleave it was Iether here at CG talk, at Gamasutra, or over at IGN. I can't remember where or what the exact number was, thats why I put somewhere in the 20-30% ball park.
Keep in mind this was an artical about the launch units and not the number of units that is on the market now (probably why I can't find it as it was sometime around late november early december that I read that.). I'm sure your numbers are right about the units available at this time, but I simply put that up there to illustrate why I beleave no one should rush out to buy the launch units, becuase they are bound to have problems in a higher percentile then they should. (Not to mention Sony has a history of long term lazer problems with both their original Playstation, and PS2 units. Its too early to tell if the PSP is effected by this but personaly I hope not:hmm:. )
heavyness
02-27-2006, 06:48 AM
sorry to chime in here, but the 20-30% number is ridiculous. if you read blogs for game news that are posted by people who never leave their basement, then your being mislead. video game blogs are great for game reviews, but not news. i could start a rumor today and by next week be on every major game blog out there.
the numbers were much smaller then that. many people simply didn't give their 360 enough room to breath [literally]. after they moved the system and or power supply, no more crashes. the best PC out their will crash if its not correctly vented.
simply put, the next gen systems are not like the old NES and SEGA machines of the 8-bit era. they're not simple chips sets anymore that access rom cartridges anymore.
the numbers were much smaller then that. many people simply didn't give their 360 enough room to breath [literally]. after they moved the system and or power supply, no more crashes. the best PC out their will crash if its not correctly vented.
simply put, the next gen systems are not like the old NES and SEGA machines of the 8-bit era. they're not simple chips sets anymore that access rom cartridges anymore.
innermindseye
03-01-2006, 12:03 PM
Yea, that whole faulty xbox 360's crap was such a spin-off. And im so sure that is was started from some sony camp members. I work at EA and we have been testing the 360's from when our very first dev-kit came through, for 5 months solid. Ive seen ONE of our now hundreds of 360 consoles get broken. ONE!
Its a load of crap and if anyone DID actually genuinely have a dodgy xbox, its probably cos they put it in the corner of the carpet, behind the desk next to the furnace, with their feet resting on it and a blanket. These things are as rigid as f*&k and i dont believe so many people had problems with their xbox considering the amount of xbox consoles that have been in my presence (from dev-kits to retail kits) and only ONE of them has gone wrong. it probably would have been fixed if we just flashed it to the latest dev-kernal anyway.
DOWN WITH FANBOYS
Its a load of crap and if anyone DID actually genuinely have a dodgy xbox, its probably cos they put it in the corner of the carpet, behind the desk next to the furnace, with their feet resting on it and a blanket. These things are as rigid as f*&k and i dont believe so many people had problems with their xbox considering the amount of xbox consoles that have been in my presence (from dev-kits to retail kits) and only ONE of them has gone wrong. it probably would have been fixed if we just flashed it to the latest dev-kernal anyway.
DOWN WITH FANBOYS
laureato di arte
03-01-2006, 12:25 PM
....its probably cos they put it in the corner of the carpet, behind the desk next to the furnace, with their feet resting on it and a blanket.
lol lol haha
lol lol haha
innermindseye
03-01-2006, 05:53 PM
lol lol haha
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richcz3
03-01-2006, 06:04 PM
Sony's Blue Ray is really laying down the hurt. $800+ for a Blue Ray vs. $450 for an HD-DVD.
Early supporters are laready hedging their bets by moving forward with production of HD-DVD units. Depending on how long the price stays high, Sony may find itself in a repeat of the VHS/Beta battle once again. If that's the case, the PS3 would be relegated to "Game Console Only" status giving Microsoft the edge to increase sales.
Early supporters are laready hedging their bets by moving forward with production of HD-DVD units. Depending on how long the price stays high, Sony may find itself in a repeat of the VHS/Beta battle once again. If that's the case, the PS3 would be relegated to "Game Console Only" status giving Microsoft the edge to increase sales.
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