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ndstill
02-19-2006, 06:15 AM
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/362/workinprogress1bw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

first post on CGtalk! If anybody has ideas and criticisms, please share! i was trying to capture some lighting and mood here. I am not done with any area of the image except maybe the small section of the sky that is flat blue :). The tree gave me carpal tunnel syndrome and after many hours, im liking how it is shaping up. Done in photoshop, with painter for some blends and a little texture

ndstill
02-19-2006, 07:08 AM
the girl is very rough. I have only just started her, and i am finding it quite difficult to handle the task on my wacom. I will probably print the picture out on low opacity, draw over it and scan it. Has anybody tried this? also i was wondering if anybody knew a good reference site for forshortening the human form.

thank you!

Irate-Velociraptor
02-19-2006, 08:09 AM
Interesting idea:cool: as somone who draws more with a pencil then on the computer I would be inclined to try it. Please let us know how it works.











WIP


http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=310515

MrBajt
02-19-2006, 08:37 PM
Hmm.. good idea with the pencli-over-drawing ;) But the expression on the girls face is too dull for my taste. And it looks like she's falling of the horse for me. But with the expression, nvm if you wanted to archive that look ;)

But the tree is absolutely awesome. I would've never managed to archive suck realism ^^.

All in all very good work :top:

ndstill
02-19-2006, 08:56 PM
Thank you for your comment! The girl is a major difficulty for me, and i totally agree with what you said about her expression. I may just totally ditch her and make the horse a unicorn if i cant come up with a solution.

MrBajt
02-20-2006, 12:47 PM
Maybe you should tilt her head so she's looking up and to her right, i think that should be more interesting... I'll show you how i think it should be ^^

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6254/unbenanntfgfgfg1kopie0zh.png

Excuse me, i'm no good anatomy drawer... :blush:

And btw is there a special background ? Some story or whatever ? ^^

P.S.: I dont want to critique only, the tree and the horse and the background looks indeed very good... And dont take my advise on the pose too seriously... I cant draw as good as you ^^ It's just my opinion :\

ndstill
02-21-2006, 06:49 AM
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hey thank you everyone for your comments! very good ideas and criticisms! I find that i am more motivated now than ever before. I am using the idea of the girl looking to the top left, or maybe behind her at some pursuit. This is just a rough concept image that im posting now, but if anyone has some ideas of where i could go with this, i would appreciate it
thanks

Euphrosyne
02-21-2006, 07:05 AM
Just Keep going! You really have a wonderful start. The beauty of working on the computer is that you can work in layers and change just about anything with out disturbing what you like in the painting. The background is really impressive.

Vertrucio
02-21-2006, 09:03 AM
First off, are you using the photoshop grass brush? If so, ditch it and make a custom one to use. Anyone can spot the PS grass brush being used and it really doesn't look good. It sticks out from the beautiful long grass that you have in the lower right of the image.

You need to rework your composition, not in terms of placement of elements, but in terms of concentration of detail.

You've got so much going on, and so many different styles of painting this scene that it almost looks like you pieced it together from other's images.

You must use concentrations of details, such as detailed brightly colored leaves to move the eye around the image. Right now you have a massive cluster of highly detailed and very brightly colored leaves in the top left of the screen, painted using solid colors, it utterly dominates the composition of the image making everthing else less important. Then, the girl and horse are painted using such a smooth blending style with such desaturated colors that they recede into the background and look way out of place.

One way to help fix things is to lower the saturation on the leaves to get them to recede into the background a little bit and work on getting the branches to point towards the riding girl. Then adjust the palette on the riding girl and horse, to have more saturated colors, and if you want you can also adjust the painting style on them to be more defined to match the rest of the image.

I would avoid using photoshop tricks to establish any of the painting basics for now. Your goal is to become a better painter right? Then paint it, don't rely on tricks until you're good enough to use those tricks as efficiency boosts, not as crutches.

ndstill
02-23-2006, 03:14 AM
after taking a hiatus from this image, i am noticing some fundemental flaws in the composition. I have two competing foreground subjects, the tree and the horse/uncompleted girl. I did this painting to challenge myself. I am not good at focusing on detail, and i think i nailed the tree, so mission accomplished. in doing so, however, i totally screwed up my composition, as the previous poster noticed. i do not think that desaturation will fix this problem, as was suggested. i think that i may have to take a step back and rethink the composition, maybe move the horse and the girl to the foreground. it just looks wrong for a painting to have two unrelated subjects battling for attention. maybe just a crop? Anyways any suggestions would be great. it is kind of a dumpster dive to save the image i guess. please post suggestions. thank you!

Vertrucio
02-23-2006, 08:31 AM
Well, a bit of less saturated oranges, reds, and browns on the leaves, combined with a more stylized representation of the leaf masses would help. Then, as I said above, use branches with their own leaf clusters coming out of the leaf mass that point the eye towards the girl and horse.

Then sharpen up the painting style on the girl and horse, they probably just need more contrastic colors and detail at this point.

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