biochemist
02-15-2006, 09:15 AM
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itayg
02-15-2006, 11:58 PM
hey biochemist
nice animation you got there. i have a few notes:
- the "S" in the first line 'if we could Some how" need some strengthening
- same as the "LA" in lightning. you need to show the tongue when you say 'la'.
- nice acting on the charecter. his hand is going into his head mesh at some point (before he says 'this lightning')
those are my crits, hope this helps.:)
itay
nice animation you got there. i have a few notes:
- the "S" in the first line 'if we could Some how" need some strengthening
- same as the "LA" in lightning. you need to show the tongue when you say 'la'.
- nice acting on the charecter. his hand is going into his head mesh at some point (before he says 'this lightning')
those are my crits, hope this helps.:)
itay
Capel
02-16-2006, 12:48 AM
this is a reeeealy nice piece of animation. i love your acting choices and how you've managed to break up his body parts movement wise. it feels really organic. the only acting choice that doesn't quite read for me is his hand position on "...this lightning." looks like he's doing some kind of a sideways thumbs up. but aside from that this is coming along great. obviously there are some things to tighten up, but judging by your progress so far you definately seem to know what you're doing. looking forward to seeing this one finished and congrats. this is looking great.
RaoUUUL
02-16-2006, 12:57 AM
the audio clip is performed by christopher lloyd and a very animated actor is he. id say more animated then this clip you have shown. i know you dont want to copy whats been done in the movie but to me this animation nearly captures the livelyness in the dialouge. im not even suggesting go watch the movie and study it. i just think you should push the poses a bit more. the lip work is great and dont get me wrong the animation is awesome its just almost like animating something thats been animated before. lookin good.
raoul
raoul
wtoddk
02-16-2006, 08:43 AM
Kahye, really nice. Interesting, because I'm also working on an animation using the same clip. Although I'm not doing any lip-synching. I tried doing it only animating the body. Check out my WIP here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3241412#post3241412).
A few suggestions:
- up until "Channel it", his head looking in exactly the same direction almost the entire time. Maybe some more exaggerated head animation would help. Especially in the build-up to "Channel it" maybe throw the head back a little to add more anticipation.
-the timing on "Harness" seems to be a little off.
I love the final look at the camera!!
Great job! Can't wait to see more!
A few suggestions:
- up until "Channel it", his head looking in exactly the same direction almost the entire time. Maybe some more exaggerated head animation would help. Especially in the build-up to "Channel it" maybe throw the head back a little to add more anticipation.
-the timing on "Harness" seems to be a little off.
I love the final look at the camera!!
Great job! Can't wait to see more!
dalmanna
02-16-2006, 04:36 PM
Kahye, really nice. Interesting, because I'm also working on an animation using the same clip. Although I'm not doing any lip-synching. I tried doing it only animating the body. Check out my WIP here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3241412#post3241412).
A few suggestions:
- up until "Channel it", his head looking in exactly the same direction almost the entire time. Maybe some more exaggerated head animation would help. Especially in the build-up to "Channel it" maybe throw the head back a little to add more anticipation.
-the timing on "Harness" seems to be a little off.
I love the final look at the camera!!
Great job! Can't wait to see more!
lol thats pretty funny both of you guys have tackled it in completly different ways. adam would like this one coz its what he said to do on yours (skyboysky)
i agree with capel about that hand gesture apart from that its very cool nice work.
A few suggestions:
- up until "Channel it", his head looking in exactly the same direction almost the entire time. Maybe some more exaggerated head animation would help. Especially in the build-up to "Channel it" maybe throw the head back a little to add more anticipation.
-the timing on "Harness" seems to be a little off.
I love the final look at the camera!!
Great job! Can't wait to see more!
lol thats pretty funny both of you guys have tackled it in completly different ways. adam would like this one coz its what he said to do on yours (skyboysky)
i agree with capel about that hand gesture apart from that its very cool nice work.
wtoddk
02-16-2006, 04:38 PM
haha...yeah...I'm going to send this thread to Adam...
adam-crockett
02-16-2006, 06:30 PM
Nice piece of work!
I agree with Skyboy's assesment of the head movement, and in addition, I'd like to say that the eyes could move more. I think that when you're pondering, your eyes jerk back and forth, like they are searching for the answer. Basically, I just think that the eyes need more movement.
Also, Capel's comment about the hand gesture is dead on, and I found the reason why. The thumb on his right hand never moves. Through the whole animation its just stuck up in the air.
Also, his hand sinks through the table when he says "somehow"
I feel like the anticiapation pose on "channel it" is a little too severe. I dont think his hands should go all the way back behind his head. Its nice and exaggerated, but I think its too exaggerated.
The gestures for "into" and "the flux capacitor" both seem like they happen too late. make them happen earlier so they happen on the dialogue beat.
I agree with Skyboy's assesment of the head movement, and in addition, I'd like to say that the eyes could move more. I think that when you're pondering, your eyes jerk back and forth, like they are searching for the answer. Basically, I just think that the eyes need more movement.
Also, Capel's comment about the hand gesture is dead on, and I found the reason why. The thumb on his right hand never moves. Through the whole animation its just stuck up in the air.
Also, his hand sinks through the table when he says "somehow"
I feel like the anticiapation pose on "channel it" is a little too severe. I dont think his hands should go all the way back behind his head. Its nice and exaggerated, but I think its too exaggerated.
The gestures for "into" and "the flux capacitor" both seem like they happen too late. make them happen earlier so they happen on the dialogue beat.
biochemist
02-16-2006, 08:08 PM
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Capel
02-16-2006, 09:18 PM
i just think you should push the poses a bit more.
raoul
sorry, but i have to disagree with this critique. no offense, RaoUUUL, but i think that if she pushed it any more then it's gonna look silly. in comparison to a lot of animation, this is already pushed a lot. i'd leave the major poses along and just tweak timing/spacing issues... my 2 cents. :)
raoul
sorry, but i have to disagree with this critique. no offense, RaoUUUL, but i think that if she pushed it any more then it's gonna look silly. in comparison to a lot of animation, this is already pushed a lot. i'd leave the major poses along and just tweak timing/spacing issues... my 2 cents. :)
RaoUUUL
02-16-2006, 11:56 PM
hey yer the expert, thx for my critique..hahaa.
thedigitalmonkey
02-17-2006, 07:19 PM
Biochemist, this is looking really nice!
My biggest crit is that in the final moments when he says "it just might work" and he places his hand on the capacitor, it's the least refined movement in the whole thing. It looks like just a lineaer wrist turn with no ease in or out. Tighten it, anticipate it very slightly, add overlap on the fingers.
Nothing else strikes me right now, except that for this type of acting being pretty cartoony, I agree it could be "pushed" more towards zippy- meaning for almost any of your given gestures, they could benefit from longer anticipations with smoother joint breaking, followed by a quicker, tighter release of energy...I think keithlango.com has a really straightforward tutorial on 'zip' if that is indeed your cup of tea.
Otherwise, kick-**s!:thumbsup:
My biggest crit is that in the final moments when he says "it just might work" and he places his hand on the capacitor, it's the least refined movement in the whole thing. It looks like just a lineaer wrist turn with no ease in or out. Tighten it, anticipate it very slightly, add overlap on the fingers.
Nothing else strikes me right now, except that for this type of acting being pretty cartoony, I agree it could be "pushed" more towards zippy- meaning for almost any of your given gestures, they could benefit from longer anticipations with smoother joint breaking, followed by a quicker, tighter release of energy...I think keithlango.com has a really straightforward tutorial on 'zip' if that is indeed your cup of tea.
Otherwise, kick-**s!:thumbsup:
biochemist
02-18-2006, 06:59 AM
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biochemist
02-20-2006, 09:56 PM
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thedigitalmonkey
02-20-2006, 11:03 PM
dude, its getting better! the motion of his hands when he says "flux" and his hand draws back- looks really nice, I also like the whole motion right before "channeling." on "harness" i like the bent fingers, but they might be bending too early, because it looks more like a pose then like their dragging- maybe that was your intention.
p.s. if you have any advice on my third pass (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=319312) that would be nice 'cuz i don't know why my arm got so wonky. :)
p.s. if you have any advice on my third pass (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=319312) that would be nice 'cuz i don't know why my arm got so wonky. :)
wtoddk
02-21-2006, 12:11 PM
Great job!!
a few suggestions:
- when he says "harness" his hand enters the table.
- when he begins to say harness, maybe his right arm could stretch out even further - the fingers seem to bend back to early - It could be interesting if you could do something with his left arm there too.
- when his hands go back before saying "channel it", his fingers are "pointing", but when they came out from behind his head, the fingers are straight. Is that intentional? I think maybe the "channel it" is like 1 or 2 frames to slow.
hope I'm not nitpicking too much...just some things I noticed.
I still love the last look at the camera...
great work!
when you get a chance, take a look at my changes on my version of this clip (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3263933#post3263933) and let me know what you think
a few suggestions:
- when he says "harness" his hand enters the table.
- when he begins to say harness, maybe his right arm could stretch out even further - the fingers seem to bend back to early - It could be interesting if you could do something with his left arm there too.
- when his hands go back before saying "channel it", his fingers are "pointing", but when they came out from behind his head, the fingers are straight. Is that intentional? I think maybe the "channel it" is like 1 or 2 frames to slow.
hope I'm not nitpicking too much...just some things I noticed.
I still love the last look at the camera...
great work!
when you get a chance, take a look at my changes on my version of this clip (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3263933#post3263933) and let me know what you think
pixelpickle
02-21-2006, 02:06 PM
you have some very nice elements in there Kahye, your lip synch and facial emotions are good, I don't really have anything to pick on that other posters have already brought to your attention.
a believalbe character, well done.
a believalbe character, well done.
biochemist
02-22-2006, 08:23 PM
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wtoddk
02-24-2006, 02:00 PM
looking great!!! Getting much, much better with every pass...
what about, when he slaps his hand on the table, that the hand, well....'slaps' the table, instead of slowly landing on it like it does now?
when he says "flux" his eyebrows go up, which is really cool, but they seem to go up like 2 or 3 frames late.
nice animating!!!
what about, when he slaps his hand on the table, that the hand, well....'slaps' the table, instead of slowly landing on it like it does now?
when he says "flux" his eyebrows go up, which is really cool, but they seem to go up like 2 or 3 frames late.
nice animating!!!
Capel
02-28-2006, 12:32 AM
what about, when he slaps his hand on the table, that the hand, well....'slaps' the table, instead of slowly landing on it like it does now?!
i'd agree with this. his voice is pretty intense, so his hand should match. you're gonna hate me, but i liked the acting from your first pass on, "channel it" a lot more. i think the wavy hands seem to be there for animation's sake, rather than for the character's. they look great, but i think it's too much. i thought it was hilarious that he rears back and just sits there for 20 to 30 frames or so, then leans forward with, "channel it!". that was my favorite part. but regardless, this still looks great. congrats.
i'd agree with this. his voice is pretty intense, so his hand should match. you're gonna hate me, but i liked the acting from your first pass on, "channel it" a lot more. i think the wavy hands seem to be there for animation's sake, rather than for the character's. they look great, but i think it's too much. i thought it was hilarious that he rears back and just sits there for 20 to 30 frames or so, then leans forward with, "channel it!". that was my favorite part. but regardless, this still looks great. congrats.
biochemist
03-02-2006, 10:21 PM
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