... and Jenna disappears again...

[AdamT]

That's a shame, but not at all surprising.

[PetrolUk]

Glad I got Response when I did now

[maharadjah]

Noooooo !

i've planned to buy it next week , was just waiting for some income .. too bad

If David Farmer comes here or if anyone get some news about the way to buy it please let peoples know !

( sorry for my approximative english )


Ps : Adam , if i'm not too curious , why is it not surprising ?

[ooo]

Aaargh... I guess it's up to Darf to enlighten us in the reasons behind this. I hope there is a good reason and not some kind of juridical fight between whoever is involved.
Time to delete all Core-related stuff from my C4D install. I've given up all hope now. What a waste of talent, time and money... :sad:

[Sneaker]

looks like a never ending story.
I'm sure it pops up somewhere again and it is sure that I'm not buying or
using it even if it is free.




-Sneaker

[soccerrprp]

I'm at a loss here....

Why do away with response? I was hoping to amass a little more money to purchase it.

[AdamT]

Ps : Adam , if i'm not too curious , why is it not surprising ?
It just seems to be a pattern with darf's plugins: Penny and Praline lasted one Cinema version and disappeared; Vixol and Ralf lasted one Cinema version and disappeared, Response lasted one version and disappeared, Jenna has now appeared and disappeared three times. Well, maybe Jenna has six more lives. :)

[ernia]

It's a shame, really.

But a big thank you to 3dattack for the temporary resurrection, though. Thanks for putting in the effort, folks :)

It is not good for the c4d community when great tools don't see the light of day--or when they do see the light of day, they are snuffed out of existence after only a short time.

I think this is a great community, and one which is willing to support its developers. Things will get better for us, as membership is rising and will continue to do so. I have faith that there are some great things on the horizon for c4d.

As for the Darf plugins and in honor of the occasion, I'm selecting all children and moving them from an iterator to a null object for the time being.

ernia

[Other3DMaster]

That 3dAttack thread mentions contacting Farmer for updates... but he has stated here at cgtalk that he is out of that business(plugs for c4d). So those of us who bought response now have a plug that never will advance? That's just great.

[maharadjah]

It just seems to be a pattern with darf's plugins: Penny and Praline lasted one Cinema version and disappeared; Vixol and Ralf lasted one Cinema version and disappeared, Response lasted one version and disappeared, Jenna has now appeared and disappeared three times. Well, maybe Jenna has six more lives. :)


so it will have little or no chances to be able to buy Response now , i'm affraid

thanks for the answer Adam

[lllab]

this is very sad!

has this something to do with the strange thread here some time ago?

some guys hit on darf quite well, guess that wasnt too intelligent.

well, very, very , very sad for the c4d community...

stefan

[Other3DMaster]

Continuing on with my earlier thought, I guess I am a little confused. Darf has clearly had no interest in continuing with plug development for C4D for some time, so when Response came out I really thought 3D Attack had taken over in that area. But now they say they are only the resellers... but why would they sign on to be the resellers of a plug from someone who no longer was developing... must be more to the story... but of course as the other thread says, we will never know as they aren't going to comment. Uggh.

[AkaKico]

It is really too bad. Well, hopefully Maxon can duplicate some of the fuctionality in due time. (Crosses fingers)

[Tavy]

Dear Community,

We would like to give as much of an explanation as we can. We don't want to leave you in the dark, but we will say as much as we can.

Two nights ago 3D Attack had to make a very difficult decision, whether to continue distribution of Jenna and Response, or not. After much consideration we chose the latter. We can not, and will not go into details as to why we made this decision, but felt, in the long run, it was best for all involved. Sometimes the powers at be make things very difficult to continue.

Jenna - over 4000 C4D users downloaded Jenna during the time we made it available. That's 4000 more people who didn't have it, or needed to upgrade. Mind you it was FREE.

Response - We don't own the code, therefore we can't make updates, but we are willing to help out where we can. If you own Response and have questions, please feel free to post them on our forum.

We have no idea whether David Farmer will continue on with the development of Jenna, Response or his various other plugins. We suggest you contact him directly if you have questions. We do not know if he will respond but, all the same, that's all we can suggest at this point.

Some have asked about the life of 3D Attack and our plugins. We are here to stay. We will continue on with our forum, Magazine and plugins. zBlur, Replica, LUMEN, LSD and OLX are not going anywhere and we will continue on with their development....plus more soon.

This has been a frustrating and humbling experience for 3D Attack. We tried!

If you have further questions or concerns about this matter, feel free to post them on our discussion forum at www.3dattack.net, or if you need, feel free to give us a call in the office.

989-845-3334

Tavy

[ooo]

It is really too bad. Well, hopefully Maxon can duplicate some of the fuctionality in due time. (Crosses fingers)

According to Darf, that's exactly what's happening right now (see earlier threads). Might be the cause of this but we don't know. Time to move on for everybody. Darf has left the building and is not willing or able to update his products so that means an dead end. By keeping it alive without the original developer available means it's only a temporary solution. I'm sure Maxon is cooking new great tools for us and that can only be a good thing for C4D's future.

odo

[AdamT]

This has been a frustrating and humbling experience for 3D Attack. We tried! And thank you for that. :)

[AkaKico]

This has been a frustrating and humbling experience for 3D Attack. We tried!
Tavy

And thank you for that. :)

Indeed. Thank you 3D Attack for everything you do.

[ooo]

Big thanks to 3D-attack indeed for moving the mountain :beer:
And your current plugin line-up is absolutely great as is the magazine!!!
Keep it up!

odo

[soccerrprp]

According to Darf, that's exactly what's happening right now (see earlier threads). Might be the cause of this but we don't know. Time to move on for everybody. Darf has left the building and is not willing or able to update his products so that means an dead end. By keeping it alive without the original developer available means it's only a temporary solution. I'm sure Maxon is cooking new great tools for us and that can only be a good thing for C4D's future.

odo

Even if this is the case, why pull it off the market??? Why not continue providing an alternative for those of us who will not be in the position to upgrade to the new version of c4d anytime soon. There are people who have use for RESPONSE today, not only when Maxon incorporates its functions into the next version.

By not leaving it open for purchase, you (the developer) lose out on sales. This doesn't make sense... Unless, just a thought, perhaps Maxon has approached the programmer for the rights to the development to be included into the next version. Is this possible?

This is all so strange to me...

[ernia]

Even if this is the case, why pull it off the market??? . . . By not leaving it open for purchase, you (the developer) lose out on sales. This doesn't make sense... . . .
This is all so strange to me...

I agree,soccerrprp. It doesn't make sense for the developer.
What we have here, I believe, and as uninformed as I am about the truth here, is a tragic reenactment in the plugin world of a few Japanese mothers near the end of world war II. Clutching their babies in their arms, they committed suicide by jumping off the oceanside cliffs, believing that surrender was far worse than death. "Ouch, that rock is real!"

Judging by the history of the developer, it's clear that he practices his own form of Bushido; and, as respectable as that is, I wonder if a bit of compromise wouldn't have gone a long way here.

The onus could be on all parties here, but I doubt it. 3dattack made a huge effort to breathe life back into these plugs. Besides, they have proven their commitment to the community.

I'd like to hear the developer's side to the story, but I don't think we will. Regardless, if he does pipe up, the thread is sure to be locked, anyway.

Oh well.
ernia

[Damsel]

Posted by ernia: 3dattack made a huge effort to breathe life back into these plugs. Besides, they have proven their commitment to the community.

Absolutely! I look forward to even bigger and better things coming our way from 3DAttack. And thank you so much for your commitment to the Community as always! Onward and upward!

[medula]

yes thank you 3dAttack! And Tavy too, cause um... er.... :: swirls toe in sand out in front of self:: awwwww gee.

[soccerrprp]

Of course, THANK YOU 3DATTACK!!! I have the utmost confidence in your professionalism. Just a little boggled by this development. Response would have proved to be a nice addition to our school program.

SO....an alternative to response, anyone?

[darf]

sorry had to be deleted

[mikeh64]

oops

I was typing while darf was typing.....

thanks for the info, darf

mike

[LucentDreams]

Of course, THANK YOU 3DATTACK!!! I have the utmost confidence in your professionalism. Just a little boggled by this development. Response would have proved to be a nice addition to our school program.

SO....an alternative to response, anyone?

You jsut don't get it though, they don't develop it, Darf does, they were simply distributing it. Regardless of what maxon is or isn't doing doing thats a tight spot to be in especially when your developer has such angst against the app the tools being developed for, and has publicly stated that since response finished he was done with cinema 4d.

I was surprised when response came out honestly its too bad they hadn't decided before they released since it was such a short stint. Guess thers some luck people who did get it though.

sounds like it was a very difficult decision and didn't pull over well with some involved. Good to see the other plugins continuing, particularly Zblur which is an essential for so many.

[flingster]

this is all fubar if you ask me.

1) waiting for maxon to realise iteration is needed...when its been obvious since releases of jenna and ditools years and years ago.

2) we should not be in this position as users...

well done to all involved for trying but its a sorry day if you ask me that a talented bunch of people clearly can't work together.

its more soap opera than soap opera, most people can't be bothered with it all given there investments and i can understand their point for all parties to be honest if you look at it fairly from both sides of the coin. unfortunately we as users are the ones taking the kick in the nuts which is what it is. good luck to all those involved i guess.


edit: i just wan't to point out on consideration that i'm not blaming maxon here and its hardly anything to do with them to be honest..seeing my comment on point 1..just feel that it should have registered at some time during the numerous releases for them to think about it

[ooo]

this is all fubar if you ask me.

1) waiting for maxon to realise iteration is needed...when its been obvious since releases of jenna and ditools years and years ago.

2) we should not be in this position as users...

well done to all involved for trying but its a sorry day if you ask me that a talented bunch of people clearly can't work together.

its more soap opera than soap opera, most people can't be bothered with it all given there investments and i can understand their point for all parties to be honest if you look at it fairly from both sides of the coin. unfortunately we as users are the ones taking the kick in the nuts which is what it is. good luck to all those involved i guess.

fubar it is. And it makes me even sadder now. Only time can heal this. I guess these were darfs famous last words... Good luck to all
Time for a cup of tea.

odo

[marcom]

confusing...

edit: nevermind...


cheers
marcom

[flingster]

fubar it is. And it makes me even sadder now. Only time can heal this. I guess these were darfs famous last words... Good luck to all
Time for a cup of tea.

odo

and oh so annoying...

breathe...breathe...flingster.

[soccerrprp]

[QUOTE=Kai Pedersen]You jsut don't get it though, they don't develop it, Darf does, they were simply distributing it. QUOTE]

Kai,

I do understand that 3DAttack was not the developer. My fuzziness on the issue was directed at the developer, not 3dAttack.

But, it seems that the "developer" has spoken up and introduced HIS side of the story. This is getting more and more baffling. Frankly, I am not interested in pointing the finger at anyone and look forward to an "alternative" to RESPONSE.

Darf,

Any chance that you will continue to sell the product yourself?

[jscott]

Thank you for the explanation Darf. Sounds like what we need is an OpenSource project for Cinema 4D plugins. We need a place for developers that move on to drop off some old code for the community.

peace,

-jscott

[ThePriest]

Tank announces this split without explanation, which leaves users to assess and make assumptions on the reasons of the split. Darf wants to explain himself, but does so talking in the third person. Way too much drama for a Monday.

Sort it out amongst yourselves guys. You should find a resolve before you make rash decisions and rash announcements. It looks like you're craving the attention that has already accumulated.

Darf, you'd be very unwise in this junction to not sell Responce, even if it only makes you little money. Keep selling it, there are people who are very interested.

[robotbob]

sheez, darf - you get some sleep,

i know you have had a hard time of it and feel unrewarded but most of us here have really appreciacted your tools or at least aspired to sometime in the future use them properly.

but thats no consolation for lots of late nights and crap sales and tempraments that spiral out of control. most people get this.

so those two guys begging a free copy tipped all this over the edge ?

damn ! for a couple of hundered bucks. the shame.

BTW i liked the 3rd person monologe


pedro

[AdamT]

The only thing I don't get is--why pull it? So it isn't making a ton of money? It's making *some* money and it doesn't cost anything to keep it out there. OTOH, yanking it is a lose-lose-lose-lose proposition. 3D Attack loses a little cash, darf loses a little cash, existing users lose support, and future customers lose the opportunity to buy.

[MPS]

Thanks for putting the plugin out there Darf, and thanks for trying to keep it alive, and the same to 3d Attack. I think this is a sign of how popular the plug was and how respected it was, but if your hearts not into the game then its just not in it. Don't think that all th effort you put in Darf wasn't appreciated. It was. Good luck for the future regardless. I'm sure Maxon has a few tricks up its sleeve and they seem to have there finger on the pulse of us c4d users so we can hold out for R10.

[raycerx]

christ not again... o well. Hey Darf thanks for letting Jenna lose one last time. I use it all the time and am thankful I got a copy that works with 9.5! Thanks to 3d attack too...
I liked the monolog too.

[scott frizzle]

I don't know any of the people in question personally, and I really like some of the tools caught up in this drama, but I have to say that this could not have been handled worse. As a user and potential future customer, it's hard to have confidence in those involved after watching this display, and I say that with all due respect for the considerable past efforts and contributions of those involved. Disagreements happen; they are a part of business. But airing this kind of dirty laundry just makes everyone look bad, regardless of who's wrong or right. I sincerely hope a better resolution can be reached; you're doing yourselves and your customers a huge disservice.

[Tavy]

I don't know any of the people in question personally, and I really like some of the tools caught up in this drama, but I have to say that this could not have been handled worse. As a user and potential future customer, it's hard to have confidence in those involved after watching this display, and I say that with all due respect for the considerable past efforts and contributions of those involved. Disagreements happen; they are a part of business. But airing this kind of dirty laundry just makes everyone look bad, regardless of who's wrong or right. I sincerely hope a better resolution can be reached; you're doing yourselves and your customers a huge disservice.

I appreciate your comment and the rest. I really do. We couldn't pull Jenna and Response without making some kind of statement. 3D Attack was in no way trying to air any dirty laundry and I don't think we did. It seems we are damned if we say something and damned if we don't. We didn't jump to any rash decisions, it was something we carefully thought through before doing.

Once again we are deeply sorry for any inconvenience and disappointment our decision has brought. We had to do what we felt best in this situation.

Tavy

[LucentDreams]

sorry missed Davids post as I was busy with writing my own at the time or I waoudl ahve done this sooner.

This Threads far too implicating and its now the involved are trying to involve/implicate CGtalk in the matter so I'm shutting it down, Take it in private you guys or use another forum if you so wish.

Kai says it over here take it elsewhere.