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Ravena
02-11-2006, 11:37 PM
Hi,

first excuse my bad English.

Which I would like is to practice absolutely intensively, is figure drawing. My pencil sketches looks not possibly (looks like a scratch). For this reason I am grateful for tutorials - for example of DoctorBone (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=313809), because one can learn really very much of them. Of nebezial's (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259286) tutorials I am also totally inspired and some by them learned, but by all things I already miss painfully nebezial tutorial over its doodles. I would gladly see, how he begins the figures to draw or how he began many years ago thereby particularly since he draws without references. :) That is also my goal, because I think it's very very important that one can draw good sketches (preliminary work).

Otherwise I write poems and stories (unfortunately only into German). With some SF and Fantasy novels I'm wrote as a co authoress, I can look back on a few small publications. Besides I write on my own novels, thus as my time permit. But for the moment I would like to draw.

My work on Rebecca's OFD brought me much, I has thereby many learned and also when I'm going through in the Sketchathon forum. As already described above, I was occupied in the last days with tutorials.
Here are the results, more badly than quite, but nevertheless I'm in exercise.
After tutorials from http://www.portrait-artist.org/

digital:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7287/311he.jpg
digital:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7707/165ia.jpg

from the book „Das große Zeichenbuch“ / „The large drawing book“ (Bagnall, Hill)

pencil:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2327/331ya.jpg

Ravena
02-11-2006, 11:43 PM
DoctorBone tutorial:

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/9563/1102200614xh.jpg
figure at the bottom left hand corner DoctorBone tut, the face is without reference,
the remainder are after photoref.:http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/5711/1102200648vp.jpg

after tutorials from http://www.artcluster.com/, online drawing tips:
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7629/1102200631oy.jpg

without reference:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1225/110220062steps1kk.jpg


http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6723/1102200628bs.jpg
from the book „Anatomie für Künstler“ / „Anatomy for artists“ (Tom Flint & Peter Stanyer),
Samson und die Philister, pencil:
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/6308/110220065p2mt.jpg
coloring after nebezial's tut:
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/3438/1102200659yu.jpg

Ravena
02-11-2006, 11:49 PM
a few speed paintings from sketchaton thread, after photoref:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1461/kuh17gj.jpg


http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8064/wasser14oe.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2659/affe25wf.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8541/affe30lh.jpg

http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/6411/affe40xv.jpg
master copy Leonardo da Vincis "Testa di Giovninetta":
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2194/ldv600x80017ax.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9783/junge1ym.jpg

Ravena
02-11-2006, 11:51 PM
The instructive copies from the OFD's:
OFD10:
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9784/ofd10800x10649um.jpg


OFD 11:
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/613/ofd11800x5636ej.jpg
OFD 12, still in work:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/994/070220066zo.jpg

Rebeccak
02-12-2006, 12:18 AM
Ravena,

Fantastic to see your Anatomy Thread! :thumbsup: Looking forward to following your progress here ~ your OFDW pieces are great, and you already know that I'm a fan of the monkey series! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

nebezial
02-12-2006, 10:10 AM
great stuff goin on here, great color studies on the nudes, i really appreciate working on the no refference sketches, great work, no worries ill post some doodles..i actually made a test video just to try out this program camtasia..still havent figured out how to drop the sound on it ..but anyways ill host it for download today so if anyone can host it it would be grat

SpiritDreamer
02-12-2006, 01:36 PM
GOOD MORNING ....Ravena...:applause: :wavey:

I just woke up and happened upon your new thread....LOVE IT...:) :thumbsup:

While NEB is working on his doodle idea for a thread,you might want to check out
page # 5 ..frame # 68 on my personal thread...your way of thinking, mine too...POETRY...:)

Also, on my web site....Drawing section...all those doodles are done from imagination, using
a ball point pen, so that originl thought cannot be erased, or modified.

BURNE HOGARTH
A great master of creating figures from the imagination....you might want to buy some
of his books...I have them all...most valuble books in my library...all the PRINCIPLES of
creating figures from the IMAGINATION contained within them.
You can buy them cheap thru....ALIBRIS . COM or AMAZON .COM ..just look up
author..BURNE HOGARTH....:)

LOVE those monkies of yours....:bounce:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Ravena
02-12-2006, 03:13 PM
Hi Rebecca, nebezial, Spirit Dreamer,

thanks for looking in my thread and for your praising comments. That gives great motivation. :)

Rebecca,
I'm happy because you like my monkies and OFDs. :)

nebezial,
I'm already completely strained on your doodles and on the video. Hopefully folds with the space for the download. I don't have notion of download files, but this offerer should be very good http://rapidshare.de/ , perhaps helps you.

Glenn,
your a brother in (poetry)spirit. :) I've checked your site and Page #5 and I'm impressed about your generally work. Thanks for the tip, I will look out for Burne Hogarth's books. How does he actually proceed with the constructions of drawing figures? Also after forms or curves?

Ciao,
Ravena

SpiritDreamer
02-12-2006, 08:12 PM
Hi ...Ravena...:wavey:

DYNAMIC FIGURE DRAWING ..by ..BURNE HOGARTH..This is the book that will help you
out the most I think, at the point where your at now with your figure drawing.
In that book, he shows by example of his own bigger than life drawings done from
his own imagination....just exactly how to step by step get a realistic looking
figure,.. male and female...using the same principles as the old masters used
Michelanglo ect. when they created figures from their imaginations. He starts out with simple
poses, and then gets into how to make them come right out of the picture plane,
deep forshortening....proper ways of interlacing and overlapping forms in forshortened
poses proper curves ect...he uses arrows around and in his figures, so you can see with your own
eyes what he is discribing, along with simple explanations, with examples of each principle,
created with his own figure drawing .
I had him as a teacher years ago......GREAT GREAT TEACHER....EASY TO UNDERSTAND..
That one book, will allow you to set your imagination FREEE......TRUST ME...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Ravena
02-12-2006, 09:46 PM
Hi Glenn, :wavey:

okay, you persuaded me. :) I ordered by an online book shop:
"Anatomisches Zeichnen leicht gemacht" (Anatomy ...)
"Figurenzeichnen leicht gemacht" (Dynamic Figure Drawing (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0823015777/qid=1139778782/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/303-3342683-5997803))
"Porträtzeichnen leicht gemacht" (Drawing the Human Hea (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0823013766/qid=1139779232/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_10_3/303-3342683-5997803)d (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0823013766/qid=1139779232/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_10_3/303-3342683-5997803))
And now I already look forward to the supply.

Thanks Glenn,

ciao Ravena

Ravena
02-13-2006, 12:33 AM
I have continue practice with nebezial's blender tool and his tutorials, here are my result.
And I've taken a few of the great skincolors from nebezial.
(thread: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259286 (http://showthread.php?t=259286&page=13&pp=15) page 13, #184)

For this I used no reference! (Only for the ear I've take a little look on a photo.)
Therefore I am very proud of the result.


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6869/septface0qs.jpg

Rebeccak
02-13-2006, 03:06 AM
Ravena,

Lovely work! :wip: Very nice, especially coming solely from the imagination! :)

A few crits ~ I think the ear might need a bit more work, and the eyes more depth. The tip of the nose is turned just a bit oddly. You could tweak this a great deal and turn it into quite a finished piece! Nice work so far! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ravena
02-13-2006, 06:04 AM
Hi Rebecca,

you are right, the lack I will still eliminate, hopefully that succeeds to me.
Thanks for the valuable criticism, Rebecca. :)

Ciao,
Ravena

Mu
02-13-2006, 08:33 AM
Hi Ravena,


great you did your own thread here, I fell in love with your sketch of that Touareg boy!

Will be checking out regularly, but now I will finally take a look at your website...:D

Ravena
02-13-2006, 08:34 AM
Rebecca, I hope this version is better?
Or do you notice still somewhat or have you an advice where I can which and how
to be this improved? For the moment I have a tunnel view.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7704/septface27qo.jpg

Ciao,
Ravena

Ravena
02-13-2006, 08:38 AM
Hi Mr. Mu,

nice to see you here. :) I hope you feel better ...
Thanks for praise, I'm happy you love my Touareg boy. Do you have an advice concerning the last pucture, the face? I am always grateful for relentless, constructional criticism.

Ciao,
Ravena

(Have fun with my website *g*)

Rebeccak
02-13-2006, 08:40 AM
Ravena,

Fantastic to see an update! :thumbsup:

I think the ear is looking much better. It's quite realistically painted! :)

What I notice is that the nose is all the same width ~ it should be a bit narrower along it's shaft, so that it flares out a bit at the top and bottom. Since the eyes will always be the central focus of any face, you might want to give them a bit more attention ~ currently, each facial feature seems equally important ~ you want the attention to be in the eyes, so you may want to render them a bit more.

Hope this helps! I think you're doing a beautiful job! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ravena
02-13-2006, 08:48 AM
*lol* Rebecca, first time I must let everything translate by google and yes, I want to do my best around your advice to obey. :) Thanks for this.
Update is cooming soon.

Ciao,
Ravena

Mu
02-13-2006, 09:45 AM
Hi Ravena,


ich mach mal in Deutsch: Wenn Du die Anatomie und die Form des Gesichts so weit fertiggestellt hast, dass Du zufrieden bist, fände ich es wichtig, einen höheren Hell/dunkel Kontrast zwischen der beleuchteten Seite des Gesichts und der Schattenseite herzustellen. Nebezial hat dazu in seinem Digital Masters Tutorial thread einiges geschrieben - Thema Global Illumination...

Im Grunde müsste sich der Helligkeitsunterschied des Hintergunds (tolles Muster übrigens, hast du das selbst gemacht und vervielfältigt?) von links nach rechts in ähnlicher Weise im Gesicht wiederfinden. Würde es auch ein wenig geheimnisvoller machen!

Schön, dass Du deinen eigenen thread hast. Tolle website übrigens!

Ravena
02-13-2006, 10:34 AM
Rebecca, :)
I have tried to convert, what you guessed me. Whether I succeeded well enough, I do not know, but I think it's better than before. What do you mean?

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9114/septface44mb.jpg

Mr. Mu,
nochmals dankeschön. :) Ich weiß was du meinst, ob mir das gut genug gelungen ist, weiß ich nicht. Ich werde aber weiterhin nebezials tutorial anwenden und üben, üben, üben.
In English: again thanks. :) I know what you mean, whether that succeeded to me well enough, I don't no. I will use however further nebezial's tutorials and practice, practice, practice.

Den farbigen Hintergrund habe ich mit einem brush gemacht:
In English: I made the background (after coloring it) with a brush. The brush sits in "natural brushes" and calls "Scattered Daisies".
Settings:
Shape Dynamics, Scattering - 269% count 1, Texture, Airbrush, Smoothing
and after that, I use the "neb's blending tool" over the colors.
(Warum schreibe ich jetzt alles in Englisch und Deutsch? *lach*)

Still more lights and shade? Okay, here is the darker version:
http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/9864/septface6test8dj.th.jpg (http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/9864/septface6test8dj.jpg)

Mu
02-13-2006, 11:28 AM
(Warum schreibe ich jetzt alles in Englisch und Deutsch? *lach*)


Oh, that is not so schlimm - we will all go verrückt by the end of dieses Jahr sowieso, with all that spam and fun threads überall!
:scream:

Ravena
02-13-2006, 05:00 PM
Mr. Mu,

*lol* here wird gespamt? It was not noticeable to me . :D
Another update of the face. Sorry for many postings today in my own thread. :blush:

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/2956/septface116ai.jpg

SpiritDreamer
02-14-2006, 03:26 AM
Hi...Ravena...:wavey:
I like how that face is turning out...nice mood and color starting to develope...:thumbsup:
You might want to work a little more on the hair around the ear....maybe some finer
hairs in front of ear, and also that side of her hair might have a slight wave in it, so
that it looks like it curves or curles or wrappes behind the ear, and does not run directly into the top of the
ear, with shadow to make it look like it goes behind the ear.
You might also want to put a little more shadow with color in the corners of the whites
of her eyes, ...will giv them more roundness and depth...luster...
Just a couple of small details that might give your painting more realism.
Also you might want to put a little more shadow along the light side of face, along
edges ... and highlights on top of muscles,.. might give face more roundness....volume...
Really nice job on this so far...just a few more refinements, and it will be even more
Beautiful, than it already is...:) .......Study some of RUBENS portraits....
About those Hogarth books.......you want to master the PRINCIPLES, not the style...
Keep your own voice, ...it's what makes you....YOU...:arteest:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Ravena
02-14-2006, 10:16 AM
Hi Glenn, :wavey:

thank for critic und comment. :) I will again revise the face, I take your words in my heart.
No fear, I will not copy B. Hogarth, my style anyway always doesn't become generally accepted. There I can lines draw, faces design, finally look always it like "me" (my art). I draw a straight new character and I recognize that by sketching, that there I draw outline already differently than I learned. (Oje, my English.) I want to acquire myself only a correct kind of outlining, thus like one exact proportions gotten.

Have a nice day,

ciao
Ravena

LoTekK
02-14-2006, 10:55 AM
Hey, that's a really nice portrait you've got going. Spirit Dreamer covered most of the issues, so I'll just mention that the shadows are looking a little muddy, like you simply dropped the values (like adding black to your paint, in analog terms). Try putting some cools in there, it'll liven up the painting a whole lot. Chromatic shadows, I think they're referred to as.

Oh, and try using some harder-edged brushes. The edges are lacking a bit of definition. But I'm keen to see how this progresses. :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
02-14-2006, 01:35 PM
Hi ...Ravena...:wavey:
I just found a good example of the hair going over the ear, and in front of it, like I
mentioned above.....study portrait in ...Anatomy Thread of ...Octopodi....front page
of this forum....and THANKS, I hope you have a nice day also. :)
I just wish I could read German,...so I could read your poetry ...:shrug:
Don't worry about your English with me, I understand you perfectly, and your English is a LOT
better than my German, which is ZERO...LOL !!....:)
REALLY LIKE YOUR WEB SITE....GREAT JOB ON IT, AND IN IT.........:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Ravena
02-14-2006, 03:38 PM
Hi LoTekK,

thank you for praise, I am happy about it, in addition about your criticism and assistance. One learns only in such a way in addition.
Aaaand:

LoTekK & Spirit Dreamer:

I tried exerted to process all your points. I don't know whether that succeeded to me well enough, but I strove and learned again times thereby a quantity. (light, shade, which places are located in the face out, which lie in the shade. Which hair looks clearer and which hair to see indistinct one. I found the nose set in light and shade most difficult.

http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/4138/septface154fv.jpg


Hi Glenn,
*lol* Ouch, my English is better than Zero. *loooool* Main thing we understand themselves. :) And thanks for praise about my homepage. Unfortunately my English is not good enough, in order to translate my poems. I could translate it word for word, but the fineintimate and the "play with words" would go down thereby. Harm.

I love Thought fragments. Here is an example, in German / English:
Liebe mich auf dem Boden
der Tatsachen.

Love me on the floor
of the facts.

I try still one:

Ich laufe nicht weg,
ich jage nur meinen Gedanken hinterher.

I don't run away,
I only hunt my thoughts afterwards.

Ciao,
Ravena

Mu
02-14-2006, 08:30 PM
Liebe mich auf dem Boden
der Tatsachen.

Hi Ravena,

I am not too much into fragmentary poems normally (I rather love the traditional ones... my favourite living german poet is Robert Gernhardt)

But this short fragment is simply delightful!

einfach entzückend!

bis bald

Murat

Lyneran
02-15-2006, 03:36 AM
hi ravena, i really like your work on the face, it's coming along nicely. nice colors too. :)

SpiritDreamer
02-16-2006, 01:25 AM
Hi ...Ravena....:wavey:
I really like the ajustments you made on her face....took it to a higher level of realism...:thumbsup:
Also liked your short poem...thoughts ..ALOT ...will send you a couple of mine also...soon...;)
Been busy trying to finish my Dante painting.... :eek:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

depleteD
02-16-2006, 02:44 AM
Yea that face is coming along nicely You gave her a sense of skeletal structure a bit more. Id try just pusshing the forms to a bit more of an accent. Props.

Keep up the good work.

SpiritDreamer
02-17-2006, 03:41 AM
Hi ...Ravena ...:wavey:
Forgot to tell you that I really liked the way you used the faces from the Dante painting
as the top peice on your web site ...GREAT IDEA ..:thumbsup:
My favorite poetry is idea's that have a global theme and impact...complex idea's made
simple through poetry. Here are two that I have been thinking of turning into paintings.
They creat strong images in my minds eye. If you don't want them on your thread, take
them off, I truely will not be affended. Just want to share them with someone who knows
poetry, to get an opinon and maybe advice for improvement ..never have shown my poems
to a poet before, so here goes nothing, or maybe something ...LOL !! :)

What's become of the seat where democracy sat
Now kept warm by a fat cat with ruin at his feet
A victory of deceit assured freedoms defeat
Alive in name only now ruled by the phony

A very short poem...

Holy revolution
Soul pollution

I just put a couple of more on my thread also, if you have a spare moment, check
them out.....would really like to hear your thoughts on them.....good or bad...
I have a whole lot of them scattered around in notebooks...use them for creating paintings
Thought....Poem....Vision...kind of method

Can't wait to see your next painting....really enjoyed your last one ..came out GREAT...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Ravena
02-21-2006, 10:36 AM
wip OFD 12, update:
(I still need something time around to paint the remainder. Background, figures in the right background)
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1421/wbstep110ru.jpg

Hi Lyneran and depleteD,

Thank you for your comment and praise, made me happy.

@depleteD
If I finished OFD 12, I dedicate again to the face too and will try to give him a little skeletal structure. Thanks for the tip.

Hi Glenn,

thank you. :) If I terminated OFD 12, I dedicate myself to your poems. Real something is stress for the moment. See you and your poems soon.

Ciao,
Alessa

SpiritDreamer
02-22-2006, 10:55 AM
HI...Ravena....:wavey:

Just thought I would stop by and tell you that I think your painting is comeing out GREAT :applause:
You really captured the expressions of the faces nicely...colors are right on the money.
Are you planning on blending the big figures more...just courious...good luck on it's finish...:thumbsup:
No rush at all about my poems...they are mostly just for fun, and a way for me to form and
remember visions in my minds eye...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 09:48 PM
If you haven't already, you should totally join the Challenge!

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/enter.php

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

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