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paperclip
02-10-2006, 03:28 PM
Gee..this subforum is so big! I feel quite lost! What will I do first...??

Elsie
02-10-2006, 03:42 PM
What to do first, you will dance with me! *tra la la* Great to see you with one of these Therry :D

Can't wait for pics!

paperclip
02-10-2006, 03:45 PM
Can't you see how I'm hiding behind Art2 and using MEL for protection? I'm a-feared of this subforum!

Elsie
02-10-2006, 03:53 PM
I'm a-feared of this subforum!

Aw now come on - it's only Becca! She's not always that scary :p

paperclip
02-10-2006, 04:23 PM
I find pimp queens scary!
http://www.allfantasyart.com/photomanipulation/scary_woman.jpg

Well, ok........maybe not THAT bad!

either way, I may just let this thread die into obscurity....:shrug:

Rebeccak
02-10-2006, 04:35 PM
P'clip! Great to have you on board! :)

I recommend diving right in to the OFDWs...OFDW 012 definitely has it's groove on...

Cheers, :)

~Rk

paperclip
02-10-2006, 04:41 PM
I can't possibly match up to all these talents there! I'll just practice on paper for a while then when I feel more comfortable posting my stuff I'll go into an OFDW. :)

Rebeccak
02-10-2006, 05:04 PM
No problem, P'clip! Frankly I think you'd be surprised how rapidly you'd improve in the OFDWs. I've seen tons of people go from beginner to advanced in just a few OFDWs! You're not a beginner, and I know you can do it!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
02-10-2006, 11:19 PM
Well......I'll try!

Where do I post- in the OFDW thread or here? See how much of a 'noob' i am in this forum? :scream:

Rebeccak
02-10-2006, 11:24 PM
For shame, P'Clip! After all this time I've been knowing you! :scream:

Actually, what I encourage people to do is to first post their WIP in the OFDWs, and then to post whatever they like, including OFDW WIP and finished images, in their Anatomy Threads. This is your Anatomy Thread, so you determine what goes here. :)

But definitely post your OFDW work to the OFDW thread. That way, you will be able to get the most comments and critique from the group. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
02-11-2006, 11:00 AM
Ok...now I'm 'part' of OFDW 12! Let's see my 'skill0rz' improve! (what skill0rz there be anyway)

warpy
02-11-2006, 07:05 PM
welcome to our subforum, feel free to use our fridge.

paperclip
02-24-2006, 06:23 PM
Well, Ok, here's my first value study. I decided to do one of my own inventions as a 'warm up', then I'll do a copy of a master.

Umm.. still very much a WIP as you can see...

What do you think so far?

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9530/emperor6vr.jpg

Rebeccak
02-24-2006, 06:39 PM
Great start, Therry! :thumbsup:Let's see you push this much further, into the realm of finished piece (all grayscale). :) I recommend trying to find some good reference. Looking forward to your progress! :)

Cheers,

~Rk

paperclip
02-24-2006, 07:14 PM
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2304/emperor3er.jpgThis is the hardest painting in the world to find reference for!

Crits, please, I beg of you!

paperclip
02-24-2006, 07:41 PM
Cropped & tightened it up a bit. Also, I thought it looked better flipped. (Isn't digital great? Flip at will!)

Please bear in mind that this is just a value study & won't be used for an actual painting.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4591/emperor8cu.jpg

paperclip
02-24-2006, 08:47 PM
Now that I look at it again, the foreground figure needs much more work to round it out properly. What to doooo.....

Rebeccak
02-24-2006, 09:00 PM
Therry,

I recommend finding reference for various pieces of the figures ~ arms, legs, clothing, etc. You may have to hodgepodge a collage of elements together, and then use a bit of imagination to get things to look right. It may help to take pictures of your brothers dressed up and poses and lit (I've seen Laura Diehl do this quite successfully). :)

Use your bros for all they're worth! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

paperclip
02-24-2006, 10:19 PM
They'll probably think I'm insane, but I'll try it! :D

Rebeccak
02-24-2006, 10:24 PM
Think of it as a subtle form of torture, disguised as an educational experience for them. :D

paperclip
02-24-2006, 10:28 PM
Maybe if I promise them cookies? :D

You'd never think they're gonna be doctors in a year or two, they fall for cookie bribes so easily....:twisted:

Edit: Mind changing the title to 'Anatomy thread of paperclip'? It always startles me when I see my real name on this forum!

paperclip
02-25-2006, 01:01 PM
Changed the values around a bit after looking at people in this kind of light.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2981/emperor8kz.jpg

Rebeccak
02-25-2006, 02:54 PM
P'Clip,

I think the main bit would be to take one of the figures, and focus on doing a rendering of that character along with the background immediately behind him. I think once you start to see the character take shape more, you will want to develop the rest as well...and you might try to find references for some of the objects and props, and really try to render a few of those as well.

I like the value restructuring, but it will be nice to see one of these cool characters really start to take shape! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
02-25-2006, 04:21 PM
*throws this picture in here and runs away*

I really appreciate all your comments becca, they're really helping! I'm finding this pretty difficult actually, even with using reference and stuff.....so much for my value system!

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9717/emperor9ru.jpg

paperclip
02-25-2006, 04:38 PM
fixed up balloon guy...


http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/862/emperor0sq.jpg

Rebeccak
02-25-2006, 10:03 PM
P'Clip,

Balloon guy is coming along great! I think you should try to retain your nice painterly quality while still building values. :)

You may want to check out this tut for one way to approach building values:

TUTORIAL - Digital Figurative Painting from OFDW - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
02-25-2006, 10:13 PM
Here's some interesting Reference which you may like:

http://www.lycanthrope.50megs.com/images/king_louis_xiv.jpg

http://www.nehelenia-designs.com/RUFFLE1.JPG

http://www.lycanthrope.50megs.com/photo.html

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
02-26-2006, 01:43 AM
Hey, great ref photos, becca! Much love to you! :love: Here's a shamrock for you, my honorary irish sister....

So far, what do you think of my values? So so? Terrible? Please be honest!

P.S- I have no idea how you have time to keep checking up on me, but I appreciate it. :)

SpiritDreamer
02-26-2006, 11:49 AM
GOOD MORNING.... Paperclip // Theresa....:)

Thought I would take a peek at your new thread.....what is the story for this painting was
my first thought...intrigued ....
My favorite version so far is frame # 22 ....by far the most powerful version....size relationships
... lighting and the mood created by whatever brushes you used to get the crispness in the
air, creates a mysterious and unique feeling in that version for me anyway...I like the vagueness in the big figure in the background, and the space and air surounding it .
Would like to see the detail brought out in the horned figure in forground...would give painting
more depth.....more detail in forground...leave vagueness in background, but don't lose all
that nice atmosphere you have already established in that version in the process of refineing.
That version has a Rembrant feeling about it....:bounce: .....Don't lose it...
Looking forward to seeing it's progress...:thumbsup: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
02-26-2006, 03:58 PM
Hey Glenn, I enjoyed reading your thoughts...the first idea was that the two foreground figures would be putting on some sort of play/show for the lazy emperor. I wanted to give it an airy atmosphere while still being quite rendered. I'm finding it difficult!

Here's a gesture study I did- I modified it in order to 'fit' roberto's birthday card, haha.


http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4735/rob7cq.jpg

Rebeccak
02-26-2006, 05:51 PM
Hey P'Clip, :)

You're more than welcome! Just keep rendering away...ultimately you'll develop your eye for it. That's why I think it's best to work from reference, as you have something to keep you accountable. Why not try doing a copy from reference, such as a sculpture or painting?

For example, you might try a value study of this piece:

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/caravaggio/david-goliath.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
02-26-2006, 07:08 PM
Hi...Paperclip // Theresa....:)

I was just getting ready to search through Caravaggio in the Favorite Figurative Artists
links on this forum, to see if I could find a painting with similar style of lighting and atmosphere
as your trying for.....but I just saw that Rebecca beat me to the draw....she's just tooooo
fast for me, as usual...dam youth anyway..LOL !!.....and she also said in a better way, just
about the same thing that I was about to say...so she saved me a lot of typing....:bounce:
Like she says...just keep pluging away, and for sure keep studying the masters, and you
will find youself getting better and better with each painting you do.
Really looking forward to seeing your painting and drawing skill develope to it's full potenial

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
02-26-2006, 07:24 PM
Glenn,

LMAO! :D

paperclip
02-26-2006, 09:21 PM
I...couldn't....resist...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9421/smallcaravaggio3bn.jpg
There are still plenty of areas that are flat looking, but I'm learning a lot from doing this!
Plus, it's more fun with color. :D

Rebeccak
02-26-2006, 09:45 PM
P'Clip,

How beautiful! Keep going, this is looking terrific! :thumbsup: Really impressed with this...and if color is working for you, then stick with it! Occasionally you may wish to check your values, but so far, you are doing great! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
02-26-2006, 11:22 PM
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8271/minicaravag7if.jpg

Updated it.....the leg still looks kinda weird, but I'm on it! I'm finding this quite fun actually.
What do you think I need to work on most in this one? And most importantly: which one will I do tomorrow? Providing the challenge doesn't start, of course!

Rebeccak
02-26-2006, 11:28 PM
P'Clip,

This is looking great! Keep pushing forward on this, versus bouncing so quickly to a new one. ;) Really try to resolve all of the values to the greatest extent possible.

One thing I notice that you do is that you tend to scribble a bit overtop of your drawing / painting ~ try not to do this, as it detracts from the tonal gradations and makes the work appear flatter and more 2D. As much as possible try to build your form through value / hue contrasts and not as much with line.

You've got the goods, 'Clippy! Let's see you take this to the finish line! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
02-26-2006, 11:37 PM
I do have a habit of bouncing around between pictures without really finishing them, don't I?

I ALWAYS seem to get to this stage where I become..sucky and I don't know what to do after then. People always complain that I don't render my stuff enough, probably because of this....
Thanks for the tip re: scribbling, will scribble less from now on. :)

Once again, thanks so much for teaching me and pushing me to start this thread, I can feel it helping already....as we say in my neck of the woods, 'You're a dote!'

Rebeccak
02-26-2006, 11:41 PM
No problem, 'Clippy! :) I know you've got the goods, but I think it's time to focus on pulling all of the things together that you've been picking up from our fair CGTalk over the years, and really move forward with your talents and abilities. You've always been good at the Daily Sketch stuff, but your work at some point just has to move forward. I think if you really bear down and focus, you can be pumping out high~quality illustrations fairly effortlessly. But you have to finish at least one ~ it sort of sets a precedent of quality for yourself, after which you only wish to do better on the next piece ~ but you have to finish stuff, or you'll never set that precedent.

/soapbox mode :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

paperclip
02-26-2006, 11:45 PM
I know what you're saying and I really understand where you're coming from. I'm just glad I have someone to help me past the 'wall'....haha, sounds like running a marathon where you hit a 'wall' and you just can't go on anymore!

That's where the going gets tough and the tough get going. That's gonna be me now, yessir!

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Rebeccak
02-26-2006, 11:47 PM
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LMAO :D No problem 'Clippsters! I'm always happy to help when people are motivated! :cool:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak O'Shaughnessy

SpiritDreamer
02-27-2006, 12:17 AM
Hi....Paperclip // Theresa... ;) :applause: :thumbsup: .........:bounce: :arteest:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
02-27-2006, 07:42 PM
Aw shucks, Glen... here's a larger version so you can see just how far I have to go!
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/317/caravaggiocopy1jr.jpg

Rebeccak
02-27-2006, 10:03 PM
Nice to see this larger version, 'Clippy! :thumbsup: Any progress to report? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

paperclip
02-27-2006, 10:05 PM
Only a little today, real life got in the way. :p

Rebeccak
02-27-2006, 10:09 PM
Hehe, no worries. :D What is this 'real life' of which you speak? :curious: ;)

paperclip
02-27-2006, 10:19 PM
Well, see, there's this door behind the computer and if you open it, there are skies...and birds...and flowers and trees!


It's really cool actually. I've been out there a few times, really building up my endurance now.

SpiritDreamer
02-28-2006, 01:57 AM
Hi...Paperclip // Theresa ...:wavey:
WOW....fast progress, and very nice also....:thumbsup:
Now..if it were mine...LOL !!.....I would get rid of all the red...do not really need it to
get the effect...maybe just leave the red in the eye in corner...would be a real eye catcher ,
small but mighty...less is more....the effect your after is in the expression on that face, and
in those eyes...:)
you might also try putting a deep blue black color for the background...creates a nice effect
sometimes.
Nice to see your progress on this....and watch out for that real world....sometimes has more
illusions in it, than that screen...LOL!!

I just wrote you a little something about values in my anatomy thread...take a peek if you feel like it, and have the time...might help you some....:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
03-05-2006, 11:47 AM
Glen...thanks for your great suggestion, will take that on board. Today is my art day off though. :)

I'm currently doing the challenge...and using this past week to practice my values.

Right now I'm choosing which concept sketch to enter, out of about 15 that I did.

Here are all my favorites, put together for easy comparision:

1
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6922/concept36af.jpg

no. 2
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141158542_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141158542_large.jpg)


no. 4
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3984/concept87nk.jpg
no. 5
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/3151/concept95dk.jpg
no. 6
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141295706_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141295706_large.jpg)
no. 7
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141336105_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141336105_large.jpg)
no. 8
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141340004_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141340004_large.jpg)


no. 9

9http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141396915_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141396915_large.jpg)
no. 10
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141466505_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141466505_large.jpg)


So.....which one jumps out most at you? Please let me know!
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LoTekK
03-05-2006, 11:58 AM
Fecking lovely value studies you've got going on for your entry. I'm really liking 5 for the dramatic factor, but I'm somewhat partial to 2 because it reminds me of An American Tail. :) The last one looks hot, though. I really like the graphic style you've managed. Quite touching, too.

paperclip
03-05-2006, 01:05 PM
I really, really can't figure out why everyone likes 2. It seems rather bland to me- can someone tell me why they like it??

LoTekK
03-05-2006, 01:14 PM
I'm somewhat partial to 2 because it reminds me of An American Tail
;)

But as I said, I think 5 works very well. The composition and value contrast totally jumped out at me while looking through the list.

Rebeccak
03-05-2006, 02:39 PM
Number 5!!! :bounce:

paperclip
03-05-2006, 05:44 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141577968_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141577968_large.jpg)

or...

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/1940/concept201rz.jpg

I added the characters from no. 1 into each- what do you think?

LoTekK
03-05-2006, 05:50 PM
I kinda feel like both of those work better without the extra bodies.

SpiritDreamer
03-05-2006, 06:37 PM
Hi ...Paperclip // Theresa...:)

Can't really figure out what the story is, in any of them, ecept # 1
Always trust your first instinct ...and mine is...
# 1 brings to mind the powerful and emotioal scene that happens when a soilder goes off
to war, and is surounded by his or her loved ones...looks to me like a soldier and his girlfriend
in the forground of your first thumnail...brought to my mind a very powerful painting and vision.
You could make it an air port scene, with jet in the distance with the words GULF EXPRESS
written on it's side...would be the destination....
You could put really true emotions on the soilders face, and his or her loved ones....
mother, father, children whole family ......You could
also put them in a setting surrounded by mid eastern travelers headed to that same plane and
destination, and show all of their mixed emotions and expressions through the looks on their faces as they observe the solder.surrounded by his or her loved ones and the farewell that is takeing place
WOULD BE ...CURENT.....REALWORLD...UNIVERSAL MEANING...and if done right, could
be a very powerful painting of something that needes to be said visually..a picture that is
worth a thousend words and thoughts ...:)
I don't know if that theme was the intent of your thumnail,...but that's what came into my
mind when I saw it..
Also like the triangle composition containing the figures...the passenger jet would ballence
it out with didtance and destination...and scale....needes more values though....LOL!!:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
03-05-2006, 07:11 PM
I like...# 1 in the group of your first thumnails on this page...should extend it's bottom, to

make it a vertical rectangle....would give you more room to add forground figures and details..to creat more depth in composition...and you would still be able to keep that solid triangle foundation that you have achieved with the forground figures...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
03-08-2006, 10:53 PM
Thanks so much for your great crits, Glenn. I don't know why you put so much time into 'edjicatin' me, but I certainly appreciate it! :D

If anyone would care to point out anatomy whoopsies here, please do so. I know the guy's head is sort of weird, but that's part of the caricaturising. What I don't know is how far I can take the caricature without it getting..well...overly weird.

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141861796_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1141861796_large.jpg)

Please ignore the background- that's for other stuff!

erilaz
03-09-2006, 10:45 AM
You have such great comps Paperclip! Brilliant stuff.

LoTekK
03-09-2006, 02:00 PM
Love the style of the latest comp. I don't mind the guy's head so much, since it's not too big of a leap of faith to imagine it's some strange fisheye perspective distortion thing going on, but the woman's arm is bugging the holy hell out of me. It looks like she could beat the crap out of Ben Grimm. :argh: The elbow area is also looking pretty wonky (it's kinda curvy, like her bones are bent). I do like the vibe in the piece, though. :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
03-09-2006, 02:41 PM
Hi ...Paperclip // Theresa ...:wavey:

Don't know what to say about that last one, except......LOL!! ...I like it ...LOL!!...:D :applause: :scream:
Has a lot of charm, and makes me smile.:)
Be careful not to cut the composition into equal halves though..
Can't wait to see what's next...LOL!!

TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
04-12-2006, 11:19 PM
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9339/lasairbhiona25tt.jpg

Portrait of a head. I think I'll tone down the bg though.

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 11:33 PM
Heya Clippy, :)

Is this Painter, or PS? In Painter there's a great blending tool which Glenn pointed out, Just Add Water, which makes blending pretty easy. The clouds are starting to look really good, but it seems odd that the bkgrd and foreground are painted in totally different styles, and that the foreground character is rougher than the sky. Also, is there a reason why her eyes are so big, and mouth a bit small? Finally, the back of the neck seems to jut into the head rather abruptly ~ you might want to give it a more gentle slope.

Lots of potential here!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
04-13-2006, 01:33 AM
It's Photoshop and I'm trying to get out of the 'smudge tool' habit, which means I'm working with 4% opacity (sigh). It's the long way around, believe me. I'm thinking of going back to the smudge tool....but I WILL master the blending eventually!

Her eyes and mouth....I agree with you actually, it just sort of...grew that way. :shrug: I'll fix it though. The pic took on its own life though! :


http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4439/piratess27pm.jpg

The anatomy in the above picture should give you enough to crit until kingdom come. I'm going to bed now, tomorrow I'll fix that anatomy, the body is only sketched in roughly anyway, just to give you an idea as to what I'll do with it.


BY THE WAY: What do you think of my values now? Have they improved?

Rebeccak
04-14-2006, 03:36 PM
Clippy,

Do you have any updates for us? I know that this was only the rough draft, so wanted to wait to crit til when you had it more fleshed in. (No pun intended). :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
04-17-2006, 10:12 AM
I will for sure, but I want to spend some time on my challenge entry- it's getting more detailed by the minute and is a huge headache!!


NEXT CHALLENGE: I'm doing a sphere on the floor and that's it!

paperclip
04-17-2006, 09:52 PM
HAY I IS A NOOBZ CRIT0RZ PLS. Seriously though, I know there are some anatomy issues here, most especially in the arms. Feel free to do a paintover or whatever it takes to make her look less deformed! :D

I think I'll just repaint the arms, as it's obvious they need to be changed.http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/5687/piratess2copy2wu.jpg

I need ideas for the boat though, PLEASE! It looks way too small. The original image was for it to be rather funny- she'd be in this pose, looking all brave in a tiny boat. :D However, it just looks like she's deformed and the boat is....weird...

Back to the drawing board.
'

paperclip
04-17-2006, 11:49 PM
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/886/piratess2copy8rh.jpg



Another update. Crits on the composition would be really welcomed at this point. Cheers! :D

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 11:56 PM
Heya Clippy,

Just running out now for a bite, but will post some stuff when I return. :)

Looking good ~ I think the number one thing that will help you improve is...*drumroll*...values. Seriously, I think if you did just one really rendered piece in values, you would see how much further you could push your pieces.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
04-18-2006, 12:47 AM
I don't think the values are THAT bad in this piece:


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1622/greyspiratess2mz.jpg


(I await severe correction and/or the lash.)

Rebeccak
04-18-2006, 02:23 AM
'Clippy,

No lash awaits, trust me. ;)

I think the main bit to do when drawing a figure which is obscurred by an object is to remember that the figure still has to exist believably behind that object. :D

For example, really draw the figure without clothes first, as you'll be much better able to work out problems with the basic pose. Ie, draw the figure first, then add clothes like you're dressing a Barbie doll. :D

Previously, our erstwhile sailoress was missing 'er knees:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Paperclip/Paperclip_Review.gif

Regarding values, I think it's really more a matter of edges and blending, then. You're good at getting your sketches to a certain level, but I think you need to work on finishing your images / really polishing them up. Your Challenge entry is looking amazing, but what is really missing is that last degree of polish / really pushing the concentrated blending of tones and refining of details. Once you start to do that, you'll be in great shape! :)

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-18-2006, 03:55 AM
Hi...Papercip....:applause: PEEKED at your challenge piece this morning.....blown away....great concept and composition.
couldn't resist stealing it , and playing around with it for a couple of hours in painter.#9.
Was wondering if it would be ok with you, if I were to post it on your challenge thread, as a
kind of paintover, or maybe on this thread, just so you can see what might be done with it
lighting, color, drama wise ect.....a few very slight changes, made it look like a rembrant, bosh
combination...easier for me to show you with the painting, than to try to explain it in words.
When you have a moment, let me know what you think.

TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
04-18-2006, 07:22 AM
Naughty becca! You used the earlier version to whup me with! :D Very cool animation though, so you're forgiven. :D


My proportions don't seem TOO off, aside from the stomach area. (I think that's because I have a smallish stomach and bigger thighs and chest? Notice how your work always seems to look like yourself? My stomach isn't that toned though, I wish it was!)


I also need to change the size of the head, which I hadn't noticed yesterday. Thanks for the pointers!!

I KNOW I need to work on my details but there's something which prevents me from finishing work and I think...it's...uh...??


EDIT: Here's the latest update: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2234/piratess2copy0eh.jpg

GLENN: Go for it and post it in my challenge thread, I can use all the help I can get- you'll be in good company, Stahlberg already did a paintover! How come people like painting over my work? Who knows, but I like it, it helps me to improve better than anything else!



BY THE WAY: The reason she has clothes like a barbie doll is because I so badly wanted to practise painting torsos. :blush: I don't normally do that, I promise! I normally only paint things that I want to practice on- Someday, I'll feel confident enough to paint anything and then all my people will be covered head to foot. :D

Rebeccak
04-18-2006, 06:50 PM
Hehe, I think you misunderstood my Barbie doll quip, 'Clippy! :D I just meant that anyone who paints clothes on their subject is sort of dressing them up...like a Barbie doll...anyway. :D

Can't offer too many more suggestions except to say polish! polish! polish! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
04-18-2006, 08:11 PM
Believe it or not, I actually did that. :blush: I need more practice on anatomy, so I do!


Something else I need more practice on is...polishing. I don't really know how to. :blush: (What do you mean, you can tell? :D )

SpiritDreamer
04-18-2006, 10:32 PM
Hi Paperclip
Love your concept and composition. Modified your painting a little. You don't have to use any of these changes. I am just showing you other possibilities that can be applied to your great concept. Went for a dramatic lighting effect. Rembrandt style. Can be achieved using colored tints which is the way Rembrandt did some of his painting. Also changed the composition just a little. Put ship further up into sky, made building bigger, ship bigger, and made sunset below ship clearer. Made foreground figures closer. Put left figure in shadow. Put blue tint on building and distant crowd. Makes them go further back into space. Did all compositional changes with instant warp in Painter. Took 2 seconds. Also put stars as destination and more crowd replacing your rocks in distance. Just throwing some ideas into your head, hope they might help you on your challenge.
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Paperclip_challenge.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Paperclip_challenge_6.jpg

Rebeccak
04-18-2006, 10:49 PM
'Clippy,

More or less I just mean blending...Glenn has pointed out a great blending tool in Painter, "Just Add Water". If you have Painter, try that, or try just using a lower opacity brush to sort of blend your edges a bit more.

Find work that you admire of illustrators ~ Like walrus maybe ~ and check out his technique. I believe he has a tutorial on CGSociety. NOT that you should paint like someone else necessarily, but it's always helpful to compare your own work with someone's whose style you like to see what things you might do in your own work to improve it.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip
04-19-2006, 07:37 AM
Thanks for the pointer, becca! Are there any areas that you do consider finished in the painting though? Just so I know......


Thanks so much for your help, becca and glenn! I really, really appreciate it, it's so nice of you guys to take the time and help out a struggling newbie. :D I don't know how you have the time, (especially becca :eek) but rest assured I'm hanging on to your every word!

Glenn....hmm....there are some really good points that you showed in the painting and I'm thinking about them all. First off, I think the color is a bit too extreme, but I like the idea of strong lighting. Second, I like the way you gave it a bit of a fisheye effect. Thirdly, I really, really think making the building and ship larger helped. Thanks very much for your suggestions and believe me, I will implement some of them! :thumbsup:

Thanks again!

SpiritDreamer
04-19-2006, 10:16 AM
:) Hi....Paperclip....:)

Like I said....think your vision is great, and for sure worth experimenting with.
The nice thing about digital, is that it allows you that freedom to experiment.
Color...that can always be modified....it was the use of lighting that I was going for mostly.
Try to creat drama with the lighting...like the old black and white movies,...they learned
their technique's for dramatic lighting from the old master paintings.
Are you using Painter or Photo shop...JUST CURIOUS
One thing...make that ship above the sunset.....when I first saw it, I thought that it
was on top of a huge wave ....took me a while to realize that it was floating in the sky.
Guide the viewers mind and eyes with your use of lighting.
Creat areas of mystery, where the viewer has to stop and wonder...a pause for thought.
Don't make everything crystal clear....won't capture the viewers imagination that way.
Make the viewer work for the reward or surprize that you are expressing to them.
Make them smile with wonderment at the end of the journy through your imagination.
If you are using Painter , I would be more than happy to help you with your ...POLISHING ;)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
04-19-2006, 05:48 PM
I have BOTH, but work in Photoshop as I'm just more used to it. Maybe I should be chastised for that. :D I'm a PSer at heart!

SpiritDreamer
04-20-2006, 01:10 PM
GOOD MORNING.....Theresa...:)

I have never tried photo shop, so can't help you there,.....but in painter#9 there are some
really nice brushes that might help you polish up your painting.
MY FAVORITE IS.....softener brush....found in the tinting brush section, in the brush catigories.
It allows you to soften edges or whatever, and does not change the colors that you have
already established...if you make it really large, it works great in the sky areas, clouds ect, and
if you make it small, it softens up any rough edges on figures ect....different than a blender,
blenders tend to change the established underlying colors.
There are some really fine blending brushes in painter also....found in the blending brush
catigory. a great varity to choose from....I like the soft blender one myself....creates a
great atmospheric effect, with very little effort.
Go to windows at top of screen...select, then select BRUSH CREATOR....YOU WILL FIND AN
UNLIMETED NUMBER AND VARITY OF BRUSHES IN THERE TO EXPERIMENT AND PLAY WITH.

To get the dramatic lighting.....go to EFFECTS...top of screen....select,...then select
surface control,...then select....apply lighting.....GREAT colored spotlights in there, you
can creat some real magic with the lights,....just like the movie studioes do....DRAMA...:bounce:
If you are going for the painterly look, then I woud highly recomend PAINTER...that is what that program is designed for....:)
Hope that this will be of some help to you, and am really looking forward to seeing the
progress on your challenge piece...I really like it so far....reminds me a little bit of a Bosh
or Brugel kind of style....:thumbsup:
Forgot to mention the fisheye, and bigger building and ship effects that you liked.....go to effects...select, then select...
surface control, then select...QUICK WARP...experiment with it does some really neat stuff,
and is a lot of fun to play around with on your paintings...full of surprizes...:scream:
Also in effects ....surface control is APPLY SURFACE TEXTURE...great for tinting the whole painting whatever color you choose....bottom row of colors, are where I get those nice golds and copper browns, use the slider to ajust the darkness and lightness...strenth of
color.....If you have any questions or problems in the painter program, if you decide to use
it,....you know how to reach me,....I will be more than happy to help you out as much as
I am capible of....:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
04-22-2006, 05:34 PM
I took some of your advice...



http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/9547/9547_1145717193_medium.jpg



But, you know what..this thread is not really for these things and I feel I'm abusing this forum..Less challenges, more anatomy from now on, I promise!!!

paperclip
05-16-2006, 11:53 PM
This one is inspired by one of Linda's paintings for the DSG.http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9004/anatomie4fd.jpg


I'm pretty sure something's off, I think it's the shoulder, but not exactly sure what.

paperclip
06-03-2006, 09:22 PM
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/808/zorncopy0qh.jpg
Decided to dump this here- even though it's far from finished yet. There are still quite a few contrast issues that I need to work through yet, especially relating to the coat, the right (her right) hand, the copper pans and the background in general. It's for the OFDW by the way.

paperclip
06-07-2006, 08:33 AM
Here's my finished version: http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9091/zorn4mn.jpg
Zorn Master copy- 'Mona', for OFDW 17 with Rebeccak.

makaron
06-07-2006, 09:38 AM
niiice... :bounce: great job paperclip... :applause:

this is one of the few Zorn paintings I really like... could be the name of it... ;)

SpiritDreamer
06-07-2006, 01:04 PM
:) Hi... Paperclip // Theresa.....FANTASTIC JOB on that master copy....:thumbsup: :applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

paperclip
06-10-2006, 05:16 PM
Thanks, guys! I was asked by www.cgbrainchild.com (http://www.cgbrainchild.com/) if they could put my work up on their site, so it's up there now. :D. (Both the ODFW and my master/servant)

I'm working on this a bit for practice, using ref from here n there:

I still need to find a proper ref for the nose. :D

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8789/ladybug2copy4fd1qe.jpg

FateBringer
06-10-2006, 07:48 PM
Hi,
I have been enjoying your work for some time now, just thought I'd let you know:thumbsup:
Keep up the great work.

Mark

paperclip
06-12-2006, 09:55 PM
Thank you. :love:

Fuzzy warm vibes!

Rebeccak
06-12-2006, 10:03 PM
Clippy,

Congratulations! That's fantastic to hear that your work is being recognized! :thumbsup: Your new piece is looking quite cool, though I would agree she needs a nose :D ~ looking forward to seeing your progress. :)

Cheers,

~Rk

SpiritDreamer
06-20-2006, 12:52 PM
Hi....Paperclip...:)

FANTASTIC JOB on those master copies.....:thumbsup:
I checked out you paintings on that other site....they look really great....stand out nicely...:bounce: :applause:.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, ALWAYS A PLEASURE SEEING IT..:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
07-07-2006, 07:23 AM
CONGRATS, CLIPPY!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

You totally deserved the Community 2D Award! Enjoy! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Womball
07-07-2006, 12:09 PM
Congrats on the community award!

paperclip
07-09-2006, 04:58 AM
Wow, thanks! :D It was a surprise for sure, but a very welcome one. It's funny getting rewarded for hanging out with your friends!

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