Hip Hop 2D style

[kurt30]

more renders

[clusterfuq]

cool!

definately needs some bling bling cos he could be a workman at the moment but very nice use of toon

:applause:

[DaKrunch]

yeah i think you should add some cool stuff on the pants huh?

i like the style will you make him break for us?
:D

[xtrm3d]

yo ma man. ...
hey kurt ..
nice cel shaded look
but he definitevely need some bling bling.. and may be a big bang bang ??

i like the proportionm .. long arm, long legs ..and long.. humm humm stop.. :D

cool stuff..

[kurt30]

thanks for the comments. What type of BLING? Maybe a necklace chain. Should I put some zippers and pockets on his pants?

[xtrm3d]

yeeaa a big gold dolar symbol on a neck lace..
a dolce and gabana logo on the shirt..
some zipper on his pant..
and why not a big gun ?? i love big, big really big gun .. !!!
gime more gun !!!

[policarpo]

very nice looking.

how about the following in order to bling him up.

a tat on the arm..something tribal and menacing...a gold chain...and maybe a cell phone or pager hanigng from one of his front pockets.

oh and yeah...his pants need to be about 3 sizes larger than they currently are and haning around his hips. since it's christmas...why not give him some festive YULE TIDE boxers.

man...you rock, or in this case...Hip Hop!

[kurt30]

yeah, I like the boxers hanging out idea. Thant would be cool!

[xtrm3d]

and the big gun ????:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[policarpo]

No GUN!

we must live in a time of peace!

:love:

LOL!

[kurt30]

how about a big gun in the pants? Hahahaha

[3dhumble]

Is this for a Lugz/Hip-hop commercial?

[MCGrund]

Yo, ta git respected in da hood he needz:
gang tatoos, at least one ring on each finger, golden teeth, a biiiiig neclace, one rolled up trouser leg, a big BMW, a phat homie plus a nice and respectablegirl at his side (?).
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WORD!!!
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ahem...just some suggestions

[kurt30]

Here's some coloring changes thanks to advice from Xtreme 3D.

[policarpo]

how about a tag on his shirt at the bottom...near his pants...with Hilfiger colors?

[kurt30]

great idea, like a little brand tag right??

[policarpo]

yep yep YUP!

[Revilo]

Don't call it a gun call it a gat. :) i think he needs a gat especially if he is bling blingin' at least thats how it is in my neighborhood :hmm:

Give him like a really big clock hangin down from a gold chain. Oooo and maybe one of them chain wallets and do some work on his "grill" , gold teeth and such.

I don't think Hilfiger would work well do FUBU instead ;)

[3dhumble]

Give him a slack jaw and indents around his wrists from constantly being caught by one-time(police). Have the word "THUG" shaved into the back his head, and have him holding up a east-coast sign, because that's how all hip hop people do. :thumbsdow My advice, keep it simple, don't overdo the accessories. Focus more on detail. And if this model will be used in broadcast, you might want to stay away from blatant sterotypes. That's what the lugz commercials did.

[kurt30]

thanks for the comments y'all!

[kurt30]

starting to rig...got a bit more modeling to do (extra details etc...) but trying to work out the bone weighting and rigging.

[policarpo]

it's looking nice....can wait to see him walking around.

[valu]

It´s realy realy a greaaat job with cel looking.How is the program you use.

A rap ilustration could be nice on his shirt

[Rudity]

Originally posted by valu
A rap ilustration could be nice on his shirt


If it was a T-shirt that would work.. But he's got a beater on. Its gotta stay completely white. I think its fine the way it is right now.
Though with the bling bling it'll be pretty sweet too.

Cool character, His face is just amazing..

Later

[elvis75k]

Yo! Lika BOo hOtz! Nice CelShaded..


take a look to ma page..

www.puazze.com :airguitar

[xtrm3d]

hi kurt..
i was right with the cel shaded.. trick
:p
look really cool now..and the shirt too..
i would let him white..
but the ideas of policarpo with the tribal tattoo was really good

waiting to see him dancing and bouncing around ;-)

[3dhumble]

Looking good. He still does kinda look like a construction worker. I think it's the skully and boot combination. Maybe pull the skully over one eye?

[[msf]]

sell the animation to lugz :)

[kurt30]

OK, got some Bling Bling around the neck, still need to add a bit phat watch and a cool Tat! That will come later when I get some time at lunch.

[xtrm3d]

yep.. cool..
:applause:

[sabaman]

hey, cool work man, one thing,

why not give him a red bandana and make anotherone with a blue bandana and have digital gangfight :cool: ,....

[CarlCampbell]

I think tennis shoes would look better. You know, I'm thinking dark blue VANS or ADIDAS. You could still use orange though... but you know, rubber sole and phat white laces!

Carl :beer:

[MCGrund]

Yeah really cool, but I also think that his shoes don't really fit. To me they look a bit too phat (meaning high...well not that kind of high...well whatever).

[CarlCampbell]

Originally posted by twisted-ankle
Yeah really cool, but I also think that his shoes don't really fit. To me they look a bit too phat (meaning high...well not that kind of high...well whatever).

My thoughts exactly, at least in Spain, that sort of footwear is more of a ravers style, and more femenine. Personally, I wear Navy Blue VANS with custom wide white laces. I think something of this kind would stand out well with the pants.

Carl :beer:

[policarpo]

hey everyone...i know it isn;t hip hop...but it is still nice to watch...i was digging around in the mtv.co.uk directories and found these little gems:

gorillaz' promos:
http://www.mtv.co.uk/mtv.co.uk/en/dynamo/common_files/ram/gorillaz/promos/

and a video i never get tired of:
http://www.mtv.co.uk/mtv.co.uk/en/dynamo/common_files/ram/royksopp/remind_me_high.ram

[CarlCampbell]

Aha! Röyskopp! Best video award! They damnright deserve it! Well, les français that made the vid anyways :thumbsup:

Carl :beer:

[kurt30]

test poses

[policarpo]

looking good kurt! looking good!

[kurt30]

another render

[xtrm3d]

yes yes yes !!!
the skin look really cool...
i feel.. something big is coming.. a piece of art ? ;-)

[policarpo]

aren't you supposed to be asleep xtrm?

LOL!

I think he needs a Philly Blunt!

[kurt30]

I don't think XTRM sleeps. He's always awake working on kick ass animation.

[BiTMAP]

I don't like the way he glows... dammit why is everyone doing nice shaders! ;)

[policarpo]

it's called Post Love HolyDaze my friend.

it's the visual way to edit one's intent of vision!

:applause:

[kurt30]

I keep going back and forth on the glow. The glow makes it more anime looking.

Here's a render with no glow.

[policarpo]

i dig da glow da most!

[proton]

Holy crap this is awesome....keep[ this great work coming...

[BiTMAP]

I dig no glo, dim the colours (desaturate) and darken the lines I think you might bring out some more detail!

[CarlCampbell]

What you need is some facial expressions... Those poses don't really suggest anything if his face is just "default" :hmm:

Carl :beer:

[xtrm3d]

the glow !!!! the glow !!!!!! put the glow back or i kill the dog !!!!

policarpo is right .. the glow look really sweet...:beer:

[valu]

I like the Style and the glow , that give a little more life on the Cell Shader.

Congratulations , I want to see the animation as soom as posible

[kurt30]

New render style..mix of 2d and 3d

Any comments??

[policarpo]

i definitely like the tribal tatoo on the arm...but i'm not sure if i dig the rendering style of this version...i guess i was particularly taken by te cell shaded look...there's something nice about it.

the glow in this one is a little too gloweeeeeee....

man...you friggin rock when it comes to this model making...i gotzta make me some more 3D vinyl toys to show my appreciation for your devotion to the craft of bad ass work!!

[kurt30]

yeah, he might be a bit too "angelic" (I'm actually trying to hide a shotty masking job with the white outer glow)

[PhilOsirus]

I wonder if you used the same technique I came up with. I put a bump procedural texture which gives the celshading a painted look instead of clean straight cuts on each color zones. If not, try it out:) And take a look at how it looks with only 2 color zones per color instead of 3. Cartoons usually have only 2, one for the color and one for the shadow. 3 for metalic surfaces. Give it a try:)

[kurt30]

I'll give that a shot. I've got the rigging for the most part done and need to concentrate on getting the look of the render. BUt for now I have to go back to selling Tacos. I'll try to get something up there after lunch (USA central time)

[DaKrunch]

cool man!
:eek:
i think some tennis shoes with untied strings might suit him best!
and how about making the necklace more loose?
i like the tribal tattoo, but the pants definitely need some more detail!

update!!!:bounce:



p.s. i like your style do you have any concept?

[xtrm3d]

tribal tatoo : 100 %
new rendering style : 70 %
old rendering style 100 %
buuuut way way too much glow...now..
ok i go back working on some jack napalm univers stuff

[policarpo]

hey gang and kurt...you know how you know when something is damn good?

people take the time to talk about it!

stop selling tacos and make us some more renders!

dammit! :D

:bounce:

[gralo]

Very nice work, I love the style. The face is really cool and I actually like the neutral, chilled look on it.

Render wise I prefered the previous style of cel-shading, I loved the colors and the harmony in the look. That last ultra-glow render just kinda breaks the harmony for me and is much more aggressive to look at.

Style wise if you're looking for that trendy look, you could consider adding a dragon on one side of the legs, lenght wise with a stitched look. Something very subtle, no bold colors. Either that, or a logo or tag on one of the back pockets of the pants.

Same for the hat, I would add a small branding logo, nothing loud, either on the front or the side.

I think I would replace the bracelet with a large faceplate watch, if you want to give your character a status symbol.

The shoes seem a little high above the sole.

Those are just final touch comments, otherwise I really love your char, I think he looks great!

[(Courtney.H)]

I think you should tone the glow down, But other than that, I really like this modem and the concept behind it.

[wmendez]

Awsome work!!! I would put a Phat Farm logo on his shirt and change the gold to silver since real ballers were iced out platnuim these days :cool:

[qu2k]

give him a toaster necklace on huge gold chains... and platinum teeth

[jizzypop]

looks great :applause:

he needs a rolex and a bottle of crystal, and change that tribal tattoo to a tattoo that says 'thug life' or some dice or sumthin else ghetto

[CarlCampbell]

Originally posted by jizzypop
he needs a rolex and a bottle of crystal, and change that tribal tattoo to a tattoo that says 'thug life' or some dice or sumthin else ghetto

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Calm down! We're giving suggestions, not orders! ;) The Tribal tat is just fine, so don't make the poor guy go change it now...

Carl :beer:

[JA-forreal]

Riggin' a player to Step 101.

A link- for "some" folks to observe how the science works in detail with a ruler, time frame chart, motion meter and such-

http://www.urban-dance-videos.com/dance-lessons/hiphop-dancing-tips.html

Or if you step just set up a camera and grab your own live moves
son!


JA-forreal

[shoo]

you forgot the cool street wear logos ;)

FUBU GANGSTA :D or Karl Kahni , Fila, Nike etc....put some brand clothes on him to make him real.
Or change his muscle shirt style so it is kinda....hm..dunno the right word. rippled..rippled fabric. That's how they look :applause:

[kurt30]

I'm going for a very stylized look. Minimal textures etc...

Here's a compromise between the Pure Cell look and the 3d rendered look.

I need to start animating this guy....any suggestions as far as best hip hop dancers to copy? Or should he go old school and do some break dancing?

[urgaffel]

The Robot! Do the robot! ;)

[policarpo]

that's looking kind of nice.

you should make him dance like MC Hammer...just to "f" with people's minds and make us laugh.

just kidding....

[sherban]

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just saw you posted while I was writing so that last comment is about the 2nd to last post. This latest one has no speculars at all - think you should try getting st least some in
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I like that last render so much more than the cel-shded stuff. Still retains that cartoony feel but not as cheesy.

I think the speculars are a little burnt tho, especially around the face. Maybe lower the light intensity or at least change the angle.

very cool fingernails :beer: they really made the image for me.

[Slurry]

I know you guys are just having fun with this but why does he need a gun, pager, gold or platinum teeth and to be from the hood?
Because he's black?
Hip hop is about style, not necessarily about drugs, violence and the ghetto.
Sorry if I am coming off as a little sensitive but it seemed like all the suggestions were immediately turning the character into a gangster.
Great model btw.
I really like the render style. Keeping it stylized and simple is what separates it from alot of the generic renders we see all too often.
I would suggest keeping it simple, as adding too many accessories will make your model less effective. I think this is a case of less is more. Pick your accessories carefully. The tat is a nice touch. The gold watch seems too flat and saturated to my eyes. It cheapens your great character.
Well, that's my 2 cents. I'll get off the soap box now.
Cheers y'all :beer:

S

[policarpo]

right on slurry.

i think we all got a bit caught up in the Hollywood mentality of generalizations...which invariably cheapens anything.

:)

i have faith that Kurt will pull off his character in such a way to make anyone a part of Hip Hop culture proud.

[xtrm3d]

the rendering... the rendering... hummm the rendering.....
wohhhaooo.. :beer:

[Scuba]

hmmm for the animation... dont go with straight breakdancing. windmills and headspins... thats been one to death in my opinion, maybe throw in some breakdancing moves but more current stuff too... i guarantee you will make people die laughing, and be amazed by the animating skills if you can successfully make him do the harlem shake and pop locking.

[Xilica]

make him a pimp with a cain and a gold necklace :thumbsup:

[wmendez]

harlem shake and pop lock would be a treat... For all of you old school heads like me check out a DVD called "The Freshest kids"
lots of reference material there.

[SPIDER2544]

dude totaly go old school and make him do break dancing

some refrence videos

breakin
breakin 2 eletric boogaloo


oh for shizel my nizel

that would be really cool to do

[CarlCampbell]

Slurry, I suggested shoes, nothing violent IMO... many people might be wanting to turn him into the "rapper" stereotype, as in black, with bling, agressive and doing hand signs.
I intend to make a b-boy soon, not as in breaker but as in Hip-hop disciple and he'll be more of the Spanish B-boy type. The problem about what colour to make the character is mind-boggling. See, if I wanted to make a b-boy in my image, I'd make him white, but then might be accused of inverse-racism or whatnot... he could even be asian, Hip-hop's elements span the whole globe.
In general, if art is intented for non-hip-hop practicioners to observe, you usually get a sort of stereotype "rapper" as he/she is easily identifiable than your local "version" of a b-boy.

My two €urocents...

Carl :beer:

EDIT:
Originally posted by Scuba
i guarantee you will make people die laughing

Straight question: Why exactly would it make people laugh? :shrug: :hmm: :thumbsup:

[Heber]

http://www.kollaboration.org/kolla2001.wmv

[policarpo]

now that's just tight.

[wmendez]

That is an awsome clip!!! the originators from my home town http://www.rocksteadycrew.com

[jizzypop]

Originally posted by CarlCampbell
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Calm down! We're giving suggestions, not orders! ;) The Tribal tat is just fine, so don't make the poor guy go change it now...

Carl :beer:



oops, heh, sorry i guess i got a lil too excited

[insseuv]

whouaa awesome style !!! :D

[proton]

Please send an image into LW gallery when you are finished....great stuff!

[facial]

kurt30, I love your works here. Nice cartoon style. Keepost up.:beer:

[vizion]

regarding his animation-- in my opinion, there are no hiphop dancers. If u want something thug-ish look at DMX, u know running across a stage, flailing his arms around, and grabbing his crotch the whole time- that's about all hip hop dancer does. All the bling bling , shoulder-shakin little kids are a direct product of old skewl breakdancing...n some pop n lock. So look at Mr Wiggles...he's real good.

[santiago]

daz phat bling bling

[Array]

http://www.urban-dance-videos.com/dance-lessons/hiphop-dancing-tips.html

haha, is that site for real?

there is no sliding in urban dance

who is that guy kidding?

If you want some good referance clips check these out:

http://students.depaul.edu/~dshklyar/POPCRAZY.mpg
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-015.avi
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-019.avi
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-020.avi
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-021.avi
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-023.avi
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-024.avi
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-031.wmv
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-042.wmv
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-043.wmv
http://perso.club-internet.fr/kempsk8/video-nolinkplease/dance-044.wmv

enjoy
:beer:

[rayz]

great stuff......... really well done on toon render.

so you used lightwave to do this?, man i got to start learning how to use lightwave :applause:


:buttrock: :buttrock:

[JA-forreal]

Hip-hop is not "all" about "blingin" and guns and such.

Here is a good cultural link-

http://www.daveyd.com/

Hip-hop is above all a big part of the modern Afro-American culture. Peoples of European backgrounds and Asian and what not may imitate hip-hop, like hip-hop, and be a part of the Hip-Hop scene, etc. But never forget that Hip-hop is an aspect of Afro-culture the same as Reggae and Drum n’ Base. Give credit to those to whom it is due. It's good to see artist identify with any part of African culture in a positive way especially when so much of the media depicts a negative image of African peoples.

And yes hip-hop originated in the ghetto and is still a part of the ghetto scene.

Allot of influential and powerful hip-hop figures originated in what people call the "ghetto". People of urban cultures all over the world can identify more readily with hip-hop but so do some others. But as an artist you can pick what level of identity to portray in your character based hopefully on personal knowledge and experience of the chosen subject. And if that character portrays a person please think about
how your art reflects that persons background and culture.

Hopefully all of your experience on a persons background doesn't come from tv, magazines and music videos. Meet people and get to know them. This is the best way to gather knowledge from others.

Great work kurt30!


JA-forreal

[KINGOFPAIN]

thats phat mang... cant wait to see it finished.:thumbsup:

[CarlCampbell]

Hip-hop reached Europe thx to Afrika Bambaata if I remember correctly. Its really big in France and Spain for all I know /thats how far I travel ;) ). I don't like it when people simply say "Oh, you guys are just some Wiggas who're trying to copy some other style". I'm not stating you said that, JA-Forreal, I'm simply stating it. I laugh at the thought of many unreal imitators that just dress really exagerrately (sp?) and walk around half-crouched, west-siding with their hands and barking out "Yo, yo, YO!". Theres alot of that everywhere. I've met a few that say the do it because its "cool and a good way to pick up chicks". But a B-boy ain't measured by how wide his pants are.
What I like about hip-hop in Spain(and all over the world) is wherever it has spread to from square one, it has become unique in each area, blending in with local customs and beliefs, not CHANGING hip-hop but living in harmony with this form of personal expression and you own culture. Making hip-hop something personal, not a hobby. IMO, thats what counts. And not to do it "cuz it looks cool" but because its what moves you. :thumbsup:

This is an opinon, of course, and being so, anyone is entitled to think otherwise, but its what I'm believing now. Sorry turning this into a weird monologue-ish thing, but you know, sometimes you feel you have to have your say... :shrug:

Carl :beer:

[kurt30]

I bought the latest Roots CD (Phrenology) and was inspired to do this character. Hopefull I'll have some time to do some animation this weekend. Thanks for all the comments.

Peace

[Array]

What I like about hip-hop in Spain(and all over the world) is wherever it has spread to from square one, it has become unique in each area, blending in with local customs and beliefs, not CHANGING hip-hop but living in harmony with this form of personal expression and you own culture. Making hip-hop something personal, not a hobby.

Ha, it's the same here in America. Right now I Live in Chicago, which is smack dab in the middle of the USA. It's actually pretty weird how the hiphop scene works out here, as Chicago is pretty much an even blend of East coast and West coast styles. This is especially evident when people from out of state come up here for events, you can tell who is from Miami, or who is from Boston, or who is from LA, or Ft. Wayne, etc etc etc......

[PhilOsirus]

I don't agree with JA-Forreal. Rap has nothing to do with anything African or anything like that anymore than Rock is part of the white-o-culture. In France you have some of the greatest rap artists (mainly the IAM gang) and they are Italian, Arab, French, black and more. Before them there were plenty of awsome French break-dancers and the likes.

Hip-hop has nothing to do with anything African, more with a social background that has developed in western countries (mainly that of poor urban neighborghoods among large populated cities and rich neighborhoods).

Reggae started with instruments specific to a region and a culture, not Rap. Furious Five used what? Keyboards and spoke of their social background, which had nothing to do with their color or ancestors and which was shared by millions of others across western countries. And that is the reason it spreaded over the world so quickly without commercial support, because the basis of rap (the lyrics about their social background and the instruments) were found in other western countries.

There is nothing cultural about hip-hop, except the new world-wide culture that has appeared due to the kind of system we live in, which from Asia to Europe to the USA is exactly the same.

Anyway that 3D hip-hop dude could be white or any color and it should not have any impact on how our friend here wishes him to look or move like. Color is just that, color. It has no history nor culture, and is irrevelant.

[proton]

WOW :surprised

This thread has gotten very deep.

[JA-forreal]

Afrika Bambaata - yes among others from the US exported the Hip-hops around the globe. Obviously Hip-hop isn't just african based now..... It's worldwideeeeeeeeeeee.

Just have to say- some of the best Hip-hop beat masters of all time should be used at one time or another in your 3d animation steppin efforts-

Dj Jazzy Jeff
Dj Shadow
Dj Honda
The Roots
Dj Premier
-some of the best
-use the instrumental tracks if you can


Hey, I'm just a 3d modeler\texture artist\lighting\ body rig setter \barely a character animator but, man, not yet brave enough to post some of my own work. I have some good Blender tips under my belt.

Again. Great work kurt30!

And oh yeah, "be like water my friend" and float out some more good stuff!


JA-forreal

[urgaffel]

Don't forget Dj Krush and Dj Cam. Dj Krush' colaborations with Dj Shadow and Dj Cam are awesome.

And where's our animation? ;)

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