Mystery Solved: Windows XP on a Mac

[mummey]

Looks like its gettin alot of hits now. Keep in mind the instructions are theoritical.

[kaiser_pro]

but why would you want to?

[Srek]

I find the idea of using one of the new mac books with the core duo processors for OS X andWwindows appealing. Though i'm personaly no big OS X fan it has it's uses even for me and only having one machine for all OS variatuons i need would be a nice change compared to the various boxes i have on my desk now.
Cheers
Björn

[theCloudmover]

I am a big OSX fan and I would NEVER put windows on my Mac. If I want windows I'll buy a Dell.

[Schwinnz]

but why would you want to?
Why not? THIS IS FILLER TEXT BECAUSE OF THE STUPID WORD POLICY

[amannin]

shouldn't it be the other way around --- "Mac OSX on a PC" --- if I bought a mac, it wouldn't be so I could load Windows on it, but maybe that's just me.

[enygma]

Well, this makes for some pretty interesting news. I was asked about being able to boot XP onto an Intel iMac for episode 1 of my podcast. I'll have to include this as an update for Wednesdays episode.

[prajna]

looks like the server is down. I, for one, would love to run XSI on my Macbook.

[chrisWhite]

That's cool, I'd love to run this type of system, I'm not a big fan of OS-X having used it since early summer at work, but I'm not that big of a fan of Windows either. I would love to have Final Cut Studio sitting just a boot away from my Windows apps.

[Schwinnz]

looks like the server is down. I, for one, would love to run XSI on my Macbook.
Might give a try to install Linux on your Mac. I'm not sure if it can be done, but Linux, being OSS has the advantage to be able to be customized to run on any hardware.

[chadtheartist]

So, who here with an Intel iMac is brave enough to mess with this? If so, let us know how your attempt went! :D

[TraceR]

but why would you want to?

The excitement, the adventure. :deal:

If I had a Mac, I would try it just to say I did.

I'm keeping my eye out to see what happens. Let us know if one of you tries it.

[opus13]

does the touchpad have two buttons? a single button mouse is fairly useless in a windows environment.

[Beamtracer]

Might give a try to install Linux on your Mac.
You can actually set up a tri-OS environment on the MacBook. A single laptop running all three major OSes: Mac OS X, Windows and Linux.

Presently, you'd have to restart the machine and select which OS you want to boot into. There's some speculation that a future update to the Mac OS kernel may allow all 3 operating systems to run at the same time, but that's just a rumor at this stage.

Also, security is only as good as your weakest link. If you run a virus-prone OS, then you'd have to deal with whatever viruses or security vulnerabilities that OS comes with.

[ShadowHunter]

does the touchpad have two buttons? a single button mouse is fairly useless in a windows environment.
I'd imagine you could still use a usb mouse.

Pretty cool, wonder what obstacles the harware will present due to no drivers for windows, unless Macbooks use the exact same hardware components as PCs.

I don't understand why Apple does not allow for Windows to be painlessly installed on Macbooks from the get go, they'd make a lot more profit. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to shell out extra to get the benefits of both worlds. 3 OSs running on one computer, I can only dream :D

[BigJay]

it is intel components so drivers should be there for most of the4 features of the macbook

[Crazzy Legs]

I don't like this crossbreeding thread...I feel threatened. I'm going to ask one of the admins to shut this thread down now!!! :)

[Tibbar]

While Macs have a decent number of 3D/2D graphics packages available, most games are only available for PC. I think most of the excitement about Windows on a Mac comes from the fact that now you might be able to play PC-only games such as Fable or Neverwinter Nights on a Mac without the slow emulation of VirtualPC.

[geo5sf]

i would sell my 17 inch powerbook for an intel pb, if it ran windows flawlessly..

[Saurus]

I don't understand why Apple does not allow for Windows to be painlessly installed on Macbooks from the get go, they'd make a lot more profit. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to shell out extra to get the benefits of both worlds. 3 OSs running on one computer, I can only dream :D
By not officially supporting it, it gives Apple profit from XP/Mac wannabe users, and not having to deal with the expense of having to support it. I’m sure Apple and MS will be watching it very closely. I’m also sure that if one of the companies starts loosing money, they will quickly make their OS less compatible

[spmonahan]

i would sell my 17 inch powerbook for an intel pb, if it ran windows flawlessly..

Can anything run Windows flawlessly?

Don't get me wrong, it's a great OS but it sure does have its fair share of problems.

[agreenster]

i would sell my 17 inch powerbook for an intel pb, if it ran windows flawlessly..

Why? Just get a Dell then. Those XPS's are frikkin nice.

[parallax]

Can anything run Windows flawlessly?

Don't get me wrong, it's a great OS but it sure does have its fair share of problems.

That was not his point.

[enygma]

Why? Just get a Dell then. Those XPS's are frikkin nice.
2 reasons... maybe he prefers apples style, and of course... OS X.

[JDex]

For me there is only one reason.

I run Apple only apps and Windows only apps... I have finite resources for hardware. If I can run Windows and OSX (and for that manner any Linux Distro I want) on one piece of powerful hardware... I can put the PC and Mac investment into a more powerful machine more frequently.

If you don't understand that... well :shrug:
:beer:

[rebo]

Furthermore carrying around two laptops is a pain. If one laptop can surfice for all needs then you're quids in.

[Duhast]

Does this mean that Bill will start eating the Apple?

[beaker]

By not officially supporting it, it gives Apple profit from XP/Mac wannabe users, and not having to deal with the expense of having to support it. I’m sure Apple and MS will be watching it very closely. I’m also sure that if one of the companies starts loosing money, they will quickly make their OS less compatibleI doubt they will bother watching this at all. Both wins in this situation, so why would either try to make their stuff incompatible? Apple wins because your buying their hardware and M$ wins because your buying their software. This is business, it is about making money.

[Saurus]

I doubt they will bother watching this at all. Both wins in this situation, so why would either try to make their stuff incompatible? Apple wins because your buying their hardware and M$ wins because your buying their software. This is business, it is about making money.

It’s about market share. Current situation (able to load XP in Apple machine) favors Apple. The biggest hurdle Apple has to over come is exposing non-Apple users to Apple computer. One avenue is Apple’s successful Ipod player. It got some portion of the public interested into the Apple culture and everything Apple…including computers. For what ever reason, and I’m sure there are many, there is still a lot of computer users that have not switched to Apple. Able to load XP in Apple machine maybe the other avenue Apple might use to convince people to try out Apple OS. Not only Apple gets profit from hardware, it’s the perfect test bed for people to choose what OS fits their need…all pack in one machine. And for some whatever reason if users do decide to use only one OS, I’m sure the looser of the battle would quickly wants its OS out of the game. Neither company is going to sit idly while its market share gets eaten away.

[beaker]

Apple supplements it's low cost software products by slightly higher then normal hardware costs. IE, they win just by you buying their hardware. M$ on the other hand only wins when you buy their OS. There is no down for them, only up, since before now, you could never use their OS on Apple hardware. Do you think they really care that much about a 5-6% share when they have 90%+?

[Saurus]

Apple supplements it's low cost software products by slightly higher then normal hardware costs. IE, they win just by you buying their hardware. M$ on the other hand only wins when you buy their OS. There is no down for them, only up, since before now, you could never use their OS on Apple hardware. Do you think they really care that much about a 5-6% share when they have 90%+?

Does MS care about loosing 5 to 6 % share? Hell ya...all you have to do is look at the heat they are getting as soon as firefox started eating away IE user base. And loosing OS numbers is a lot more major than loosing browser numbers. Once user switches OS it's a lot harder to switch back than downloading browser.

I don't get why you only think M$ is the only big monster. I get a vive from you that every Apple's action is justified. From what I see, Apple is as big as a monster as MS. Given a chance, MS along with Apple will do anything to be the king of the castle.

[maX_Andrews]

This is a good thing for both apple and microsoft because apple is a hardware company and microsoft is a software company. They will sell more windows licenses and apple will sell more computers. The people losing market share are windows manufacturers like toshiba, sony, acer, etc, but a nearly undetectable amount (maybe .5% from each?)

The macbook is an f-ing nice computer, and one of the best deals out there regardless of mac or pc. It's a core duo computer with stunning design, a bright, crisp screen, great webcam, backlit keyboard, dvd burner, wifi, and good video card for $2000.
If you only want to run windows, it's an attractive option. If you want to run OSX, it's an attractive option. If you want to run both, it's a fantastic option.

A thinkpad matched to the macbook's specs comes out around $300 more expensive. So you see, those are the people who will be losing marketshare. Microsoft is going to see if anything a bit of a bump in sales, and apple will be quite happy.

Don't take my word for it though, just search for "core duo" in google and notice that the first 5 results are all about the core duo macs.

[amfantasy]

why does everyone love mac so much....all it is unix ported to the powerpc, xfree86, and there own little pretty face.

but i think this is a good move, if there hardware cost less then pc's

redhat/fedora should have their port done soon, so I don't care if what I have pc or mac they both love the penguin

[tfortier]

me too I love penguin!

[DMJ]

Things become really interesting when most of the apple and windows software start to come out for both platforms. So instead of seperate licences for the supported operating systems, software publishers could consider offering a triple/quad OS licence and install procedure. So you can buy one package/licence, and can install it without trouble on windows, mac, and possebly linux.
Adobe, MS Office and Maxon, here currently happy running on a windows box, are the main things for me to consider going to a mac, but one of the things that holds me back for now is a lack of money (I have no $2000 around to buy an Intel based mac, and i have no money for the cross platform licence transfers.)
Dual booting XP and OSX is nice, and who knows what might become of the second generation Intel based macs?

[FloydBishop]

but why would you want to?

There's the gasoline... who's got a match?

[pem]

but why would you want to?

Games
Legacy software tools
Developing websites/software etc for dual platforms...

I like macs but I have so much invested in non-mac stuff that I'm not going to be able to just abandon what I have and what I know all at once.

[amfantasy]

has anyone run linux on a mac? I want to know if it runs good? :curious:

[Beamtracer]

has anyone run linux on a mac? I want to know if it runs good? :curious:
I've run Linux on PowerPC (G4, G5) Macs. It's great for office type activity... web surfing is really fast, you can use OpenOffice and Thunderbird Email. Blender 3D is available.

Maya and XSI system requirements are very specific, and they ask for particular distributions running on x86.

[beaker]

Maya and XSI system requirements are very specific, and they ask for particular distributions running on x86.Naw, it's not that big of a deal. I have worked at companies with Debian, Gentoo, Suse, Mandrake and none of them are listed on Alias' official support. As long as you just stick with the basic guides in their compatiblity guide:
http://www.alias.com/eng/support/maya/qualified_hardware/QUAL/maya_70_linux.html

Redhat Enterprise Linux ws 4.0
xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.EL.13.6
2.6.9-11.EL kernel
glibc i686 version (2.3.4-2.9)

SuSE 9.3
xorg-x11-6.8.2-30
kernel-smp-2.6.11.4-21.9
glibc-2.3.4-23.4

Fedora Core 3
xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.45.2
kernel-2.6.9-1.667
glibc 2.3.6-0.FC3.1

Stick with the tested versions of xorg, kernel and glibc and your all set if you want to be safe. Though I have personally used different configs without an issue.

[amfantasy]

does that mean that I can run my linux version of maya on a mac??

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

cause that g5 is really looking good :thumbsup:

[Srek]

does that mean that I can run my linux version of maya on a mac??
Nope, it would still at least need to be recompiled for the Power PC processor.
Sounds easy, but is far from that for a package of this size.

Cheers
Björn

[amfantasy]

my hopes were kind of low to start with...........think I'll just stay with pc

[JDex]

my hopes were kind of low to start with...........think I'll just stay with pc

Well on a G5 your hopes are dashed... but as soon as the intel powermacs (or what ever they'll name them) then you will have that ability.

[TraceR]

If you really want to run Windows that bad, just use a PC. I don't see how running Windows on a Mac is any better than running it on a PC.

Just my 0.02c.

[JDex]

If you really want to run Windows that bad, just use a PC. I don't see how running Windows on a Mac is any better than running it on a PC.

Just my 0.02c.


Better because I can put $4000 into one high-end machine or $4000 into 2 mediocre machines.

[greyface]

Yes, this would save me from having to maintain 2 computers. I use my PC only for XSI, 3dsmax and the occasional game, if I could have windows on my mac, I wouldn't need it anymore.

[TraceR]

So you can dual boot between Windows and Mac OS? What about the one button mouse? How does Windows work with that?

[JDex]

So you can dual boot between Windows and Mac OS? What about the one button mouse? How does Windows work with that?

Who cares about Apple's silly mouse... both OSX and Windows will work fine with any 2, 3 or 5 button mouse I plug into it. I'll be using my Intellimouse Optical 5 button and a Wacom... they both work very well in OSX.

[TraceR]

Oh, I didn't know you could use an aftermarket mouse on a Mac. I have never used Macs so I wouldn't know. But if you can I can see how that would be nice if you like both OS.

[chadtheartist]

I thought Apple stopped selling the one button mouse? From what I can see on their online store, all you can get is the Might Mouse (http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/), which is a 4-button mouse.

[JDex]

Yeah, the Mighty Mouse is the standard shipping with Macs now... but if you get the bluetooth setup (wireless keyboard and mouse) it'll be the 1 button joke.

[beaker]

So you can dual boot between Windows and Mac OS? What about the one button mouse? How does Windows work with that?Why do people who haven't used the Macos in 10 years still bring up crap like this. There has been multi button support for years(like 10+)!

Edit, this is obviously flamebait. I have no idea why I even answered.

[JDex]

Why do people who haven't used the Macos in 10 years still bring up crap like this. There has been multi button support for years(like 10+)!

Edit, this is obviously flamebait. I have no idea why I even answered.

:)

Because Apple still ships the silly thing. :shrug:

[beaker]

:)

Because Apple still ships the silly thing. :shrug:no, all macs ship with the mighty mouse which has a bunch of buttons.

[JDex]

no, all macs ship with the mighty mouse which has a bunch of buttons.

Do they have a wireless mighty mouse now? Because the apple store is still handing out bluetooth one-button mice here in my neck of the woods. (also apparently on the online store).

[maX_Andrews]

I'm not a fan of the mightymouse only for the fact that the scroll ball feels a bit sharp to the touch, I want something a little squishier.

The midrange logitech opticals are quite nice, I have a wireless kensington studio pro mouse that I use for 3D work, but the damn thing is a quirky recharger so I don't use it all the time, and use the one button for word proccessing, browsing, etc.

My roommate ordered a macbook, if he lets me i'll try and get winXP on there and let you all know how it goes.

[shogunmouse]

but why would you want to?

I agree. WHY??

mouse

[Beamtracer]

why does everyone love mac so much....all it is unix ported to the powerpc, xfree86, and there own little pretty face.
The reasons to like a Mac that you mention are compelling on their own. Yes it is based on UNIX, so you get all the advantages of UNIX robustness and UNIX security... like totally "sandboxed" (security protected) user areas, and a kernel (core of the OS) that no virus can reach (at least in its default settings).

This is why there is no rootkit malware for the Mac OS. They can't get in.

Yep, they put the "pretty little face" (as you say) of the Mac OS on top of it, which makes it easy to use. That's important.

I'm a fan of other UNIX derived OSes also, such as Linux, but they don't come with the Apple touch, so they are much harder to use.

I'm very happy to surf the net and get zero adware and zero viruses or malware. No need for anti-virus software or anti-adware applications. Don't have to worry about those things. :)

[amfantasy]

I'm very happy to surf the net and get zero adware and zero viruses or malware. No need for anti-virus software or anti-adware applications. Don't have to worry about those things. :)


I'm just as happy with my Linux pc.

this is really off topic but what would you say is the best virus program for windows (norton lags my computer to nothing)

[TraceR]

this is really off topic but what would you say is the best virus program for windows (norton lags my computer to nothing)

Try Trend Micro PC-cillin Internet Security 2006. Works great for me.

[Beamtracer]

I thought one of the advantages of PowerPC hardware over x86 (Intel) hardware is that PowerPC can simultaneously execute 32-bit and 64-bit instructions. Therefore, a PowerPC box (ie, a G5) could run with a single OS that can natively run 32-bit and 64-bit software.

Now Apple moves to x86 hardware, I wonder whether they'll need 2 versions of the OS for Intel machines... a 32-bit and a 64-bit version.

Microsoft has gone down this path. There's a separate version of Windows for 64-bit hardware.

Later in the year, Apple will switch it's workstations (PowerMacs) from the G5 over to Intel chips. I assume these Intel machines would have to have 64-bit processors. I wonder if a new version of OS X will have to be released for 64-bit x86 hardware, as opposed to the 32-bit consumer iMac and MacBook version.

Also, I predict Apple will call the workstations 'MacPro' machines.

[beaker]

The intel EM-64 and all the AMD 64 bit chips run 64 and 32 bit code natively. They are the same as the G5 in that respect.

Only Itanium is 64 bit only and I highly doubt they will be using that.

[KayosIII]

The exact intel chipset for the Mobo's are already known and its not Itanium.

MacOSX always seems to have one option fewer than I need and its not an open platform - other than that I like it.

At least I don't have to hear anymore braindead rants about how superior Mac workstations are in terms of raw speed and how PCs will never catch up. But I will probably keep hearing about how starwars was created on a handful of Macs. *sigh*

[chadtheartist]

Well, it looks like they're getting WINE up and running on the Intel based Macs...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=178885

This may be a better alternative to running some Windows based apps. without having to resort to booting Windows.

Interesting stuff.

[ThommyBoy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiser_pro
but why would you want to?




I just don't understand why you would want access to the other 82% of computer users, the PC only software , and expanded knowledge etc. on the globe when Mac and its 6% user base worldwide is really all you need. I just don't get it either.


Psst............... Your prejudice is showing

[thatoneguy]

All I can say is thank god all of that beautiful industrial design is nearing liberation from the tyranny of Steve Jobs and his fruity company.

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