L.A. city attorney has filed suit against Rockstar

[CelticArtist]

hahahahahaha...geez...talk about being a few months behind the curve. This would have been relevant what, 4 months ago? come on, this issue has been done to death attorneys..stop trying to make a name for yourselves by suing companies that are already on the front pages. You know, crap like this is one of the reasons i didn't become a lawyer like my family wanted me to.

[mummey]

*yawn*... :shrug:

[seven6ty]

What's the infamous hot coffee sequence?

[jussing]

What's the infamous hot coffee sequence?In case you're not kidding: Sex.

A game that shows how natural it is to blow people's brains out, has been investigated by senator Hilary Clinton for including a scene that reveals the possibilty of humans having sex with other humans (gasp).

We're all caught in a twisted Philip K. Dick parallel universe, that's the only explanation for how absurd this case is.

- Jonas

[seven6ty]

Nah, not kidding, I never really play games. So what does the coffee have to do with sex then? *grin* I feel so blissfully ignorant of all this right now. :)

[CupOWonton]

Concerned 'moron' Parent Wrote:

"Its ok for my children to play violent videogames that they clearly arent old enough for, which involve realistic head exposions, Violent Language, eye gouging, knee breaking, hooker banging/beating, old people crushing action.. but if theres 1 badly pixelated nipple from a poorly made 'sex scene' hidden away so far in the program my child has to hack it using an external program, then its TOO MATURE for them"

[hanskloss]

Only in America...sad

[chrisWhite]

Sigh, you know, I almost wish somebody else would make a game worse so we could hear about someone other than Rockstar for a couple of months.

[Per-Anders]

QUOTE:
"The Los Angeles city attorney's office has sued Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas developer Rockstar and its parent company Take-Two for concealing the infamous Hot Coffee sequence in the game"
-R

Absolutely! They should have been publically available to all from the off! It's disgraceful how games companies hide stuff in their games that you the comnsumer has paid for and may never get to find out about, thus never getting full worth out of that which you buy! Take them to court!

What's more I'd say that GTA's representation of the South Cal and LA environs was a gross misrepresentation! Where were the traffic jams? Did we see a level where you had to sit for 5 hours watching the bumper in front whilst only given a choice of 50 adult oriented 80's rock stations on the radio? I think not!

[leigh]

I have to say, that after having lived here in the States now for a year, I am soooo tired of their prudishness when it comes to sex. It's so absolutely ridiculous that people can pimp, deal and kill in a game, but not screw a bunch of polygons. The one thing that is actually LEGAL in the game, is now causing a lawsuit.

I often get the distinct impression that these incredibly conservative people in the US try to act as if there is no sexual culture in this country, when all you have to do is turn on Jerry Springer to see how depraved and trashy their culture can actually be. People need to chill out, because there is a seedy underbelly in every society.

Rockstars games may be pretty tasteless, but it's hardly as if the company is going out to other countries and bombing them and killing women and children... oops, I probably shouldn't mention that.

This kind of stuff just stinks of people trying to deny reality and live in a world of rainbows and leprechauns.

[Per-Anders]

I'm sorry Leigh, but no politics on CGTalk.

If you want someone to blame, then blame the lawyers. Who do you think gets rich on this stuff?

[leigh]

Heh I only realised after I posted that the term "conservatives" has a political meaning in this country.

[Fides]

Rockstars games may be pretty tasteless, but it's hardly as if the company is going out to other countries and bombing them and killing women and children... oops, I probably shouldn't mention that.

Yeah you shouldn't because as a MODERATOR you shouldn't break your own the rules to get in some childish jab.

This isn't about sex, but about false advertising. Of all places, Californian's don't worry about sex. Certainly not the LA District Attorney.

But hey, if your so tired of it here, feel free to move back to SA, where they practiced apartheid for 100 years( oops shouldn't mention that either ;) )

[leigh]

Yeah you shouldn't because as a MODERATOR you shouldn't break your own the rules to get in some childish jab.

This isn't about sex, but about false advertising. Of all places, Californian's don't worry about sex. Certainly not the LA District Attorney.

But hey, if your so tired of it here, feel free to move back to SA, where they practiced apartheid for 100 years( oops shouldn't mention that either ;) )

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know Apartheid didn't last 100 years :rolleyes:

My comment wasn't meant as a childish jab either. It was to put things in perspective. Frankly I think the States have far more pertinent problems than cases about "false advertising" when you can be quite sure that not a single soul who played that game had a problem with encountering sex in it. Who do these lawyers claim to be protecting? The kids who bought these games because they want to pimp, deal and kill? There is a strong culture of guns and violence here, and yet here they are kicking up a fuss about sex, which is both legal and natural. Why demonise sexuality yet tolerate violence? That was the point of my comment, since you obviously didn't realise it. YOUR comment, on the other hand, was not only childish, rude, and tasteless but also very incorrect.

[Fides]

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know Apartheid didn't last 100 years :rolleyes:

My comment wasn't meant as a childish jab either. It was to put things in perspective. Frankly I think the States have far more pertinent problems than cases about "false advertising" when you can be quite sure that not a single soul who played that game had a problem with encountering sex in it. Who do these lawyers claim to be protecting? The kids who bought these games because they want to pimp, deal and kill? There is a strong culture of guns and violence here, and yet here they are kicking up a fuss about sex, which is both legal and natural. Why demonise sexuality yet tolerate violence? That was the point of my comment, since you obviously didn't realise it. YOUR comment, on the other hand, was not only childish, rude, and tasteless but also very incorrect.


Your rant aside, I again, I refer you to the rules, which clearly state no politics.

Hard to believe that people pay for CGTalk when their own moderators willfully break the rules.

Leonard, you there?

[TheChosen1]

:banghead: The game is rated mature! Its not meant for kids! What the hell is the big deal? I can understand that rockstar hid the code, and thats their bad, but the game is meant for 17+ anyway. Thats the same age you are allowed to see an NC-17 movie and see real sex.

[leigh]

Your rant aside, I again, I refer you to the rules, which clearly state no politics.

Hard to believe that people pay for CGTalk when their own moderators willfully break the rules.

What's your problem? I didn't talk about politics, I hinted at a fact because I think it's rather relevant to what I see as a rather obvious piece of social hypocrisy. Breaking the rules would have been to go on a long rant about the politics and propaganda, which I most certainly didn't do. If you have such a problem with my comments, then by all means please go ahead and contact me privately about it. Don't go and make charged statements about things you know nothing about to get "revenge" for my comments.

In this day and age, there are far more pertinent problems and crisis that people should be focusing on, than quibbling about the fact that a game company didn't admit there was sex in a game that was already full of ruthless criminal activity. It just sends out a disturbing message, however indirectly, that violence is okay, which is such a bad idea in a country that is currently in the midst of a very real war. People are complaining about polygons when there is a lot of very real violence in this world. This is a social problem, not a political one, and recent events in the real world make cases like this just seem so incredibly silly and insignificant.

[edit]
And considering that issues like this case are bringing the entire game industry under fire, I think it is a very relevant subject to discuss on this forum, provided it doesn't degrade into a pile of insults and people calling others "dumbasses".

[Fides]

What's your problem? I didn't mention politics, I hinted at a fact because I think it's rather relevant to what I see as a rather obvious piece of social hypocrisy. Breaking the rules would have been to go on a long rant about the American political system, which I most certainly didn't do. If you have such a problem with my comments, then by all means go ahead and contact me privately about it. Don't go and make charged statements about things you know nothing about to get "revenge" for my comments.

Okay, in real super big letters:


- Politics or political propaganda in any form
If you wish to discuss politics, kindly find an appropriate forum for such discussion. Topics of this nature resort in lengthy and unnecessary arguments that are nevertheless totally unrelated to the subject of computer graphics or visual effects.

- Potentially inflammatory discussions, artwork or comments regarding social issues
These include, but are not limited to, topics such as racism, sexism, religion, xenophobia or homosexuality.



Your 'bombing people' was clearly political, as you acknowleged. Your simply not being honest. If I want ignorant political statements, I can go to dailykos.com. And as an admin, you should be more disciplined in what you say and be aware of the rules. Why else do they exist and why are you the administrator?

This whole games/sueing/Jack Thompson bullshit should be put in the same category as 'Which is the best 3d app?' topic. It's clearly a political issue and typically elicits stupid, inflammatory comments from dumbasses and detracts from the point of CGtalk which is CG.

[EpShot]

good time to buy take two stock

http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/c/1y/t/ttwo

[helicopterr]

City of L.A is probably broke and needs money. I mean if they are suing people for concealing stuff, they should begin with their own population for concealing everything from fake breasts to cocaine addictions to AK47s. `

[leigh]

Fides, I never "acknowledged" that my comments were political, because they were never meant to be political in the first place.
There were some tragic events last week (the bombing I mentioned - it was the most recent, large-scale tragic event that came to mind), and yet here is a company coming under fire for some polygons bonking. Don't you think that's strange? Isn't it so insignificant by comparison? When I see things like this, it makes me feel that society has become out of touch with real violence. The world is tolerating violence, but won't tolerate simulated sexual acts in a computer game. This says something about society today, and I think this is something that humans really need to address, especially in countries that have a lot of violence in them already (and I am particularly sensitive to this one, considering my own country has a huge gun/bomb problem too). It's sad to see courts being embroiled in silly cases like this when they should be spending their time convicting real criminals, not companies whose only "crime" was to have sexual content in an already over-the-top game that was already restricted to older kids.

There really is no need to resort to insults. I think you just misconstrued my point.

[seven6ty]

This post = worth a million bucks.

[Pyke]

feel free to move back to SA, where they practiced apartheid for 100 years

AHHAHAHAhAHAHA!!! Dammit...I KNEW there was something wrong with my matric South African history notes...

I love how selective some people are about their own history. I'm sure that most Americans conveniently forget that whole 'reservation' thing.
Every country has dark periods...bringing them up in a conversation about video game violence as a basis for a personal attack on another (respected) community member is rather pathetic.

EDIT: Spelling

[swardson]

One thing im wondering.

With all the arguments I have read and heard about how rediculous it is for someone to sue a game company about hidden sex modules when the entire point of the game is to pimp, kill, steal etc.

I think I would hear (and did hear) a lot of the same arguments about the violence of the game when it first came out. Chances are, the same people who were against the games violence are also against the hot coffee mod. I dont think these people are out there saying, "Well yeah, I dont mind a bit of murder here and there, but the sex is just rediculous." Just because their arguments and lawsuits have come out at different times doesnt mean they condone the violence and are against the sex.

Just look at the reaction Manhunt got. And probably Bully when it gets released. And any other violent or sexual games release by whoever. I think there is just a genuine irritaiton among certain groups of people out there that are sick of the popular culture being saturated with money, sex, voilence, whether it is movies, TV, internet or video games.

While there are definately some hipocritical parents out there that will blindly purchase things for their kids without researching and then hear on the news that there is this sex addition, I dont consider them in the above catagory, they are just plain being ignorant.

Personally I dont watch TV anymore because it is just bad TV (mind numbing really), but i'm not out to sue any networks because of it. However there definately needs to be some checks and balances in society so all the decent parents dont have to completely shelter their children to prevent exposure to certain unwanted things.

To comment on Leighs posting, I agree that there are quite a bit of things in the world, country, state, city, neighborhood, home that are more important than sueing a game company over the content of one of its games. However, I also believe that society is numbing itself with its content and pop culture to ultimately secumb to a point when nothing is shocking and no one is aware of the reprocautions that certain activities produce over an extended period of time.

So bring on the lawsuits, against the good guys and the bad, whomever is which doesnt matter. I just want people keeping each other in check about what effects come from what causes and let people decide for themselves after that.

my 2, well 3, no 4 cents...

-Brad

[phexitol]

We do have apartheid here in the USA. That's how we keep people like Leigh from getting to see the leprechauns and unicorns. They are allowed to see the rainbows, but only from a distance. Only we true Americans are allowed to touch the rainbows and pet the leprechauns. Boy I tell ya what, unicorn casserole is damn tasty.











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[Fides]

Fides, I never "acknowledged" that my comments were political, because they were never meant to be political in the first place.

Sure you did. You said 'oops, I guess I shoudn't say that.', which you've now conviently edited out of your post.

Look, I don't particularly care about your comments about United States culture, but you clearly don't grasp it very well, other than through what seems to me to be an arrogant prism. If pornography sales are any indication, America is anything but prudish about sex.

My point is, while you may think there are more important things to worry about, that's not what this forum is about. The no politics rule is specifically so threads aren't derailed. Stick to the topic, not your personal opinions about America.

Every country has dark periods...bringing them up in a conversation about video game violence as a basis for a personal attack on another (respected) community member is rather pathetic.

I agree 100%.

[hellgatemedia]

What's with the attacks on Leigh?
I think she makes a valid point, that these people are so stupid, they are basically saying, the cop killing, carjacking, etc in GTA is perfectly fine, but the sex and nudity isn't.
And no one seems to want to stand up and explain to these people it's a P.C. issue, it's not every version, I can't get 'Hot Coffee" on my Xbox, unless there's something I don't know about, so i don't see why they had to ban my Xbox version.
I didn't buy this game right away, and when Billary went and got the game banned, I didn't get over to Best Buy fast enough, and I refuse to buy the censored version, so i had to eat 70 dollars to get my San Andreas.
Yes, I play these violent games, and I quite enjoy them. I am not a big fan of some of the
gang banger wannabees that go into the game stores looking for games like this, 25 to life, Bulletproof, etc, but I'm also a normally adjusted person who understands that i can see violence in games, and movies, and I can see nipples, and I don't mysteriously become a rage induced sexual pervert. I suppose this is what they expect us to all become if they don't somehow stop this?

[Cyborgguineapig]

We need someone to speak up for the game industry. We have all these people that want to speak against it but nobody doing anything to stand up for it, probably because going against it has less to lose. We need something equivalent to a loud speaker placed across the nation on the false myths surrounding video games and the real research that has dissproved the connection between violence and video games. The problem in convincing these people that violence is hardcoded into us genetically is that a lot of those people are the type that refuse to believe we were once animals. But save that discussion for another forum as that can get into religion. Simply put these people would go against games even if no violent games existed as "they are a waste of life" as Jack Thompson stated. Sexual content in games isn't so much the problem as these people using it as any excuse to call on games as being bad influences. Simply They suck CG Balls! and they just won't drop when/after the bomb has been defused and CT win. GG anti-game campers!

[CB_3D]

The lawsuit is ridiculous.

[Kabab]

Anyone remember the Janet Jackson episode....

[spinnage]

Consumers have the ultimate power in the US. If one doesn't like a product he/she shouldn't buy it. Then the makers of the product go out of business; its as simple as that. The collective consumer appetite is what drives this sort of social morality. If the people REALLY wanted to speak up against these sort of games, they would stop buying them.

There are too many lawyers in the U.S. Lawyers, like everyone else, need to hustle to make a living. Some need to put food on the table, some need to drive BMWs.

EDIT: After reading the article, this seems to be more about business than sex vs. violence. A consumer has the right to know what they are buying, although I'm not sure many consumers would want to know the end of a movie before buying a ticket.

[zeme]

But hey, if your so tired of it here, feel free to move back to SA, where they practiced apartheid for 100 years( oops shouldn't mention that either ;) )

Do you even realise, know what apartheid is? Your comments are rude and incompetent. It makes me sick of reading these lines.

[XanderFX]

EDIT: After reading the article, this seems to be more about business than sex vs. violence. A consumer has the right to know what they are buying, although I'm not sure many consumers would want to know the end of a movie before buying a ticket.

If thats the case then they should be suing all of the movie studios that produce DVD's with hidden easter eggs on them, because the consumer doesn't know its there either unless they look for them. As stated before this lawsuit is ridiculous and its insane the the only thing that seems to get politicians riled up in this country is sex, nudity and steroid use in professional baseball.:rolleyes:

[Nathellion]

But, what you all seem to be forgetting is the children. I mean, just think about it...children!

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! :scream:











P.S. Do you find these b(.)(.)bs offensive? :)

[CelticArtist]

EDIT: After reading the article, this seems to be more about business than sex vs. violence. A consumer has the right to know what they are buying, although I'm not sure many consumers would want to know the end of a movie before buying a ticket.

Very true, consumers should know if sex/nudity is part of the product they are buying, i have no problem with that disclosure. However, it is called the "hot coffee mod" meaning it was a modification to the original game engine. Yes, those scenes were in there before the mod, but they were not available to ANYONE who wanted them, unless that person went to a 3rd party and edited the code of the game, hence, they were, in my completely non-legality based opinion, never in the game, so Rockstar/Take-Two had no reason to disclose them to the public or to the ESRB.

[helicopterr]

But, what you all seem to be forgetting is the children. I mean, just think about it...children!

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! :scream:

Hmm I try not to think about children, I do not want to go to prison again...

[rakmaya]

Your rant aside, I again, I refer you to the rules, which clearly state no politics.

Hard to believe that people pay for CGTalk when their own moderators willfully break the rules.

Leonard, you there?


No rules are broken, Leigh's comments never talked about any political situation in any particular place. Just because the certain words have different meaning accross the world it doesn't make it political to everyone.

I agree with Leigh here and it makes perfectly sense. What he said about is not just true about US, it is true in general and is happening one way or another. Stations can relay shows like Jerry Springs, countries can bomb other countries, countries create task forces to kill terrorits, but people cannot make games that has any of these. What kind of law is that? I say that is one sided.

The moves against Rockstar brings in a more Victorian soceity feeling to US. If they flag it as mature and ban it from selling it to kids, then it the Game Rating Commitee that has to decide the categorization of the contents.

If a topic is posted that contains political and legal elements and if that topic is not closed, then the replys will also have political and legal elements, directly or implied.

[ekah]

There were some tragic events last week (the bombing I mentioned - it was the most recent, large-scale tragic event that came to mind), and yet here is a company coming under fire for some polygons bonking. Don't you think that's strange? Isn't it so insignificant by comparison? When I see things like this, it makes me feel that society has become out of touch with real violence. The world is tolerating violence, but won't tolerate simulated sexual acts in a computer game. This says something about society today, and I think this is something that humans really need to address, especially in countries that have a lot of violence in them already (and I am particularly sensitive to this one, considering my own country has a huge gun/bomb problem too). It's sad to see courts being embroiled in silly cases like this when they should be spending their time convicting real criminals, not companies whose only "crime" was to have sexual content in an already over-the-top game that was already restricted to older kids.



I wholeheartedly agree with everything said here.

[mummey]

How about no more piling on Fides with the responses. Some of his comments have seemed short-sighted, and have been dealt with as a result. Anything further amounts to beating a dead horse. Let's just move on, get back on topic, and hopefully each of us will think a little more before posting. :)

[JasonA]

I agree with you Brad, thanks for posting that. :buttrock:

Honestly, my take is that adult content is cool for adults or perhaps even older teens. Not entirely my cup of tea, but each to his or her own. And I'm all for free markets... But I don't support lying, deceptive, or unethical marketing practices. Doesn't matter if its coming from a game company or Enron. So from that point of view I say let the lawsuit roll, and I hope they get taken down. Its not like the gaming industry will implode as a result.

I'd be really sad to see my kids getting into playing games like this. I wouldn't mind so much if they were over 16, because I'd hope that by then I might have been able to instill in them something close to my own sense of values, such that they would have the maturity to be able to not let it go to their heads. Had the game been marketed appropriately, it might have been easier for me to control that if I felt that I needed to.

And you know what, if people feel think its cool for their kids to play this, then fine. Go buy it for your child, and let them play. But respect people who don't agree, and at least enable them to make a choice that fits their own needs.

Cheers


One thing im wondering.

With all the arguments I have read and heard about how rediculous it is for someone to sue a game company about hidden sex modules when the entire point of the game is to pimp, kill, steal etc.

I think I would hear (and did hear) a lot of the same arguments about the violence of the game when it first came out. Chances are, the same people who were against the games violence are also against the hot coffee mod. I dont think these people are out there saying, "Well yeah, I dont mind a bit of murder here and there, but the sex is just rediculous." Just because their arguments and lawsuits have come out at different times doesnt mean they condone the violence and are against the sex.

Just look at the reaction Manhunt got. And probably Bully when it gets released. And any other violent or sexual games release by whoever. I think there is just a genuine irritaiton among certain groups of people out there that are sick of the popular culture being saturated with money, sex, voilence, whether it is movies, TV, internet or video games.

While there are definately some hipocritical parents out there that will blindly purchase things for their kids without researching and then hear on the news that there is this sex addition, I dont consider them in the above catagory, they are just plain being ignorant.

Personally I dont watch TV anymore because it is just bad TV (mind numbing really), but i'm not out to sue any networks because of it. However there definately needs to be some checks and balances in society so all the decent parents dont have to completely shelter their children to prevent exposure to certain unwanted things.

To comment on Leighs posting, I agree that there are quite a bit of things in the world, country, state, city, neighborhood, home that are more important than sueing a game company over the content of one of its games. However, I also believe that society is numbing itself with its content and pop culture to ultimately secumb to a point when nothing is shocking and no one is aware of the reprocautions that certain activities produce over an extended period of time.

So bring on the lawsuits, against the good guys and the bad, whomever is which doesnt matter. I just want people keeping each other in check about what effects come from what causes and let people decide for themselves after that.

my 2, well 3, no 4 cents...

-Brad

[Nathellion]

I'm sorry, but the whole "it's society/the media's fault" argument still doesn't fly. If you want to do some research, you'll find that there were many more people dying from violence and war per unit of population in pre-state societies/tribes. I think the rate of homicide per unit of population in America today is 1/100,000 and it was something like 2-3/50 in pre-state societies.

So that's .001% vs. 4%

And they didn't have GTA, or violent TV shows. So pleeeeaaaaassssseeee, do some ****ing research before you blame it on the media.

And if you doubt these statistics I'll look up the sources again.

Cheers,
Nate

[Sil3]

Why are u people so "surprised" with this? I mean...i see the same thing all the time here in CGTALK regarding artwork where someone has to label it "ATTENTIONT NUDITY" when the only thing we see are bunch of pixels that show a representation of a naked breast (oh my sorry bad word bad word)...and this a forum of people that call themselfs artists...people that should have a more "open minded" aproach...although i dont know why we have to be open minded to deal with most natural thing in life...

Im with Leigh on this one (as probably all the people that have brains), there are better things to spend time and energy on court than this. There are more urgent and really nasty subjects to deal in our societys ASAP than this crappy lawsuits that will only hurt us more than do good...

Then theres another question...If the company that did this game took no profit for it and had no money...would there be a lawsuit in the first place? Me thinks not...hypocrisy is king isn´t it?

Finishing with a cliche that i think fills in here properly:

Make love not war :applause:

[DevilHacker]

Everyone calm down.
Leigh’s comments were not political, and inside them, were many good points.Personally I dont watch TV anymore because it is just bad TV (mind numbing really)...Ya, same here. My TV is presently set to fox. The only good station on television…
But I will not go into that as it be political.
:D

[helicopterr]

Everyone calm down.
My TV is presently set to fox.

Flame bait watch out! :scream:

[PyRoT]

I am actually a bit wary of these arguments against sexuality in media. Now, I don't see the problem with Hot Coffee as it was hidden and a hack was required to see it. However, I do worry about all the sexual content in media as it may - though I am not sure - partly responsible for little girls maybe 10 years old dressing in miniskirts and pretty much, revealing clothing. Many little kids nowdays worry about fashion, weight and dressing sexy. I am 21 atm and I think that I may have managed to experience a childhood at the last moment..

However, the people who throw these lawsuits are probably opposed to sex in media for other reasons but I would agree that there is too much sex. I remember reading that in some exhibition around 1900, someone got sent to jail for 30 years for making a poster which said (in text) "Show us your organ (We mean your musical instrument)". This is way too conservative but a lot of todays video clips are soft porn at best.

In the case of GTA, such a game is clearly for mature people. It is important to note that we are all desensitized to violence as we see it so often but seeing sex scenes in games is not very common. Due to this, its a little bit of a complex issue.

All in all, sex is good but let's not make it the foundation of all media and concern in our lives :)

Tomek

[NanoGator]

"Blame Canada!!"

[NanoGator]

Hey Leigh (or anybody else living outside of the US in the mid-nineties), did the US's scuffle with Mortal Kombat or Night Trap make news around where you were?

[Per-Anders]

Mortal Kombat caused it's own stir in the UK... which is a fairly insular place, so all in all we weren't made all thta aware of what was going on in the states, but were made more aware of the controversy surrounding it at home, and just goes to show how tremendously far standards, quality and what is acceptable have come over the past ten years.

[RayenD]

Personally, I vote for replacing all violence in the media for sexual content. Why encourage killing people when they can encourage making new ones? ;)

[jussing]

Personally, I vote for replacing all violence in the media for sexual content. Why encourage killing people when they can encourage making new ones? ;)Yea, that sounds like a swell new gameplay... for each girl you knock up, you can kill someone else. Giveth and taketh. :)

[KayosIII]

But hey, if your so tired of it here, feel free to move back to SA, where they practiced apartheid for 100 years( oops shouldn't mention that either ;) )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation#USA Glass house, rock.

I don't know I suspect it is mostly a problem because it was hidden and therefore the censors would not have known about it. Think about it - you could hide a truly horrific scene inside a game.

I do agree however that the double standard for sex and violence is a bit bewildering. I imagine it says a lot about culture, people innate insecurities. I for one would much rather watch a person having sex with another person than a person killing another person.

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