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Factotum
01-25-2006, 07:16 PM
After catching up with last 17 pages and not logging in for one day:

*spit take*

I'll second the resounding sentiment of surprise followed by disillusionment then bitterness-- which will be called Suprillutterment-- that's the only way I can describe this news.

Pixar sets industry standards, and now that Disney will be ultimately calling the shots, will all major productions lose intrinsic value in order sell merchandise?

*has flash back to the film Dream On, Silly Dreamer*

And yeah, maybe those executives only interested in money will still let those artists at Pixar let them do their thing without interference...right?...

fxjeane
01-25-2006, 07:54 PM
Funny, I always thought Pixar would swallow up Disney.

How could you ever think that? Pixar was worth about 7.5 billion (6.6 in stock and maybe an other billion in cash funds). How can a company of that size swallow Disney, a 53 billion dollar company?
I also love the work the guys at Pixar create and I believe they will continue to bring fantastic stories to the screen. I believe its too early to know what the overall outcome will be, but I think it will be a positive one though.


Oh boy, I wanted so bad that Pixar got rid of Disney and finally see it as an independent company... :sad:
but now, get ready to see Woody, Nemo and the others singing boring songs
every five minutes! :D

There is a reason why Pixar didnt go independent. Even when things where sour with Disney they always knew they needed someone to take care of the distribution.. why? Distribution is extremelly expensive. So a company with the value of Pixar which depends entirely from the income of their films and licensing agreements (PRMan sales are just pennies to them compared to the films royalties), would be in a lot of finanacial trouble if they produced and distributed 2 or 3 flops. Their funds would be depleted, stocks would drop and a lot of fellow artist would be let go. Jobs is a very smart man and he knew he couldnt take Pixar 100% independent, otherwise would have announced their plans of independence instead of shopping for distributors. It would have been a very risky move. Thats why merging with Disney is a good move. I mean Disney is the only animation studio that can afford to produce about 8 to 9 years of movies that dont generate real income and still stay a float. It can do this because Disney generates money from a LOT of diferent sources, not just animated movies like Pixar.

Regarding the "singing boring songs every five minutes"... didnt you read that Lasseter will be in charge of creative desitions for both studios? He is a brilliant story teller, so music and songs will only be used if the story calls for it.

Im very exited about this news. I just hope everything works out better than what we all hope for. :)

Cheers and have a great day!

DR

swadepgh
01-25-2006, 07:55 PM
Disney has some amazing animators and artists who have, over the past so many years, been hindered from producing great films because of story decisions high up in management. One could look at this optimistically and wonder what those artists can produce in the future under the direction of Lasseter and Catmull. Just think...now we'll get to see the likes of Glen Keane and John Lasseter working together. Who knows what will happen...but we can always hope for the best. :)

lmancg
01-25-2006, 08:01 PM
I just hope that Pixar really keeps its creative control. I would hate to hear about Disney bureaucraps telling the talented folks at Pixar how to do things. I also hope that Lasseter doesn't burn out from his new positions.

As long as Pixar is allowed to do what they do without interference, this could be a good thing. Here's hoping.

Dagibit
01-25-2006, 08:01 PM
Huh?If I remember correctly, Pixar LEFT Disney, after putting the finishing touchs on Cars, the one Pixar movie that does not look interesting. I am confused.:shrug:

Holy crap:surprised that is VERY interesting- makes a good point! I had no idea that pixar had broked off during cars.

andyspence
01-25-2006, 08:06 PM
What I hope this means is Pixar will effectively become the animation department of Disney. Disney will stop making all its cheap remakes for money, because Jobs and Lasseter will be calling the shots. We will see Disney returning to top of its game! :-D


I'm attending the Animex Festival in a couple of weeks and I'm sure Mark Walsh will get some hard questioning on this subject!

hanskloss
01-25-2006, 08:17 PM
This is deja vu all over again. I saw almost an exact discussion not so long ago...amm..Alias|Autodesk....truly pathetic.

andyspence
01-25-2006, 08:18 PM
For all those worried about the integrity of Pixar, ie Mr Jobs I quote from the BBC website:

"At Apple, Mr Jobs describes his role as making space for creative people to work in, and keeping the rest of the company out of there."

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4643526.stm)

Sounds good to me.

Firefox
01-25-2006, 08:21 PM
I think its great news.... Atleast now we can expect great movies from Disney also, considering Lasseter is heading the animation department.

It would also be interesting to see changes in work culture..( If there is any at Disney )...ie..:thumbsup: more importance to Creativity...:thumbsup:

Hoping this would be a good move for both the companies...:applause: & the Pixar culture stays intack ....

cheers

Omnifarious
01-25-2006, 08:33 PM
I really don't know what to make of any of this. My guess is that Jobs really wanted on the Disney board bad enough to do this because that is the only firm advantage that I see for Pixar coming out of this deal.

As long as Pixar functions seperately from the rest of Disney's many animation wings then I think it will remain successful and true to itself.

joshcaez
01-25-2006, 08:34 PM
So does this merger mean that they'll change its name to Pixney or Dixar? :)

FloydBishop
01-25-2006, 08:39 PM
As we lose more and more of the old Disney crew, it's nice to see Disney finally getting back to great storytelling.

Frank Thomas would have been thrilled by this week's news.

onlooker
01-25-2006, 08:46 PM
I really don't know what to make of any of this. My guess is that Jobs really wanted on the Disney board bad enough to do this because that is the only firm advantage that I see for Pixar coming out of this deal.

As long as Pixar functions seperately from the rest of Disney's many animation wings then I think it will remain successful and true to itself.


I swear people don't read before they post. Pixars team is essentially heading most of Disney's creative, and Disney animation. Steve jobs is on the board because I think he is the largest single stockholder in Disney now. Even if he wasn't Disney would want him there for name recognition anyway. Steve Jobs is a hot property.

strangelife
01-25-2006, 08:47 PM
This is deja vu all over again. I saw almost an exact discussion not so long ago...amm..Alias|Autodesk....truly pathetic.

What's pathetic is you dissing every single person that bothered to voice an opinion on this forum.

JeroenDStout
01-25-2006, 08:47 PM
*hopes for the best*
I think this is the most reasonable thing said in this thread :)

andyspence
01-25-2006, 08:53 PM
I swear people don't read before they post.

Yup. :-) I suspect some people have just read the title of the thread.

jtico
01-25-2006, 09:05 PM
May be it won't be so smooth.

"When Steve Jobs announced the $7.4 billion merger of his Pixar Animation Studios with Disney on Tuesday, he said the two companies could finally move beyond their "two separate sets of shareholders and two different agendas."

But in fact, there are three companies in that equation..."

< link > (http://news.com.com/Jobs+new+Disney+role+raises+conflict+concerns/2100-1026_3-6031135.html)

artjynx
01-25-2006, 09:10 PM
Therefore, is it safe to assume itunes will be handling all of Disney's digital distribution? I guess putting Pixar's shorts for sale was just a demonstration... it's gonna get pretty interesting in the DRM battle....if you can't convince the studios to go forward with DRm...buy into them...

Lestat
01-25-2006, 09:25 PM
What I'm most nervous about is that Disney will very likely try to enforce their rediculously PC ethics on Pixar's work. When has Disney ever done anything the least bit risqué? They are deadly afraid of offending ANYONE with their work, because they cater to children and everyone knows that in America that can be pretty dangerous.

I was glad when the contract with Disney ran out because I was hoping Pixar would take advantage of their freedom to make something a bit more adult in both theme and content. The Incredibles was a very good movie, but even that was pretty PC and tried very hard not to step on any toes.

L.

EricLyman
01-25-2006, 09:31 PM
The Incredibles was a very good movie, but even that was pretty PC and tried very hard not to step on any toes.

Are you kidding? Personally, I was amazed that Disney was alright with the level of 'adult' content in that movie. Overall it still came across as warm and friendly, but they brushed on topics that no Disney flick ever had before... Parents arguing in front of their kids, hints about extramarital affairs, human to human violence (remember when he nails that guard with the rock and he falls what, about 30 feet?!)

edit: Oh yeah, and don't forget that part where Mr. Incredible almost crushes that poor woman, holy crap! I mean, it wasn't that bad... but for a movie that has Disney written all over it, wow...

loocas
01-25-2006, 10:19 PM
Here we go again! :bounce:

Another "acquisition" bullshit thread'o'doom... :beer:

I'm sure Pixar will continue to deliver the best top-notch stuff as they've been so far, because, and let's face it, some suits can't mess up the awesome work by the CGI dudes at pixar... they're way too good for this... ;)

hitch
01-26-2006, 12:36 AM
Here is an illustration to Pixar's buyout:

http://doblevych.com/english/portfolio/graphics/disneypixar.html

MartinGFoster
01-26-2006, 01:09 AM
I wonder how the union situation will work. I believe Disney Animation is a closed-shop union, but I don't believe Pixar is union. At least, not mandatory.

FloydBishop
01-26-2006, 01:50 AM
Some friends said that it was announced to the feature animation crews that "Toy Story 3" is not happening now.

I also saw this in another thread here on the forums that is now locked...

sireel
01-26-2006, 01:56 AM
"So you see Lonestar Evil will always triumph because good is dumb...."

Shaderhacker
01-26-2006, 02:41 AM
Some friends said that it was announced to the feature animation crews that "Toy Story 3" is not happening now.

I also saw this in another thread here on the forums that is now locked...

yeap, this is what I heard too.

-M

Stahlberg
01-26-2006, 03:33 AM
some suits can't mess up the awesome work by the CGI dudes at pixar... they're way too good for this... ;)
I'm afraid you're seriously under-estimating the power and evil of the Suit, or middle management. No matter how talented you are, a Suit can always mess up your work. :)

My Fault
01-26-2006, 03:39 AM
I'm afraid you're seriously under-estimating the power and evil of the Suit, or middle management. No matter how talented you are, a Suit can always mess up your work. :)

All I can picture now is Steven working on a shot, while 3 guys in suits stand behind him, knocking his mouse around and poking him with their Blackberries. :)

JDex
01-26-2006, 03:41 AM
I'm afraid you're seriously under-estimating the power and evil of the Suit, or middle management. No matter how talented you are, a Suit can always mess up your work. :)


Yep... you must never forget that production artists are only a cog in the wheel in the real world. If the wheel doesn't get greased or is not maintaned properly by the people holding the purse strings and the bureaucratic power... the wheel will not work correctly.

Anywho... 24 hours later, I am becoming more comfortable with the idea... just hoping that the info trickling out is going to hold water some 3+ years down the road. Until we see a release that started the whole process of creation in the Dixar pipeline, I probably will be uneasy about this.

Okay... go ahead... call me some names.

Omnifarious
01-26-2006, 03:45 AM
I'm afraid you're seriously under-estimating the power and evil of the Suit, or middle management. No matter how talented you are, a Suit can always mess up your work. :)

Exactly. Everyone is always so giddy when theses kinds of entertainment content mergers or acquisitions take place. Not all of them have been great for fostering creativity, and mega corporate agendas almost always impact the way projects are produced.

I'm not dooming the Disney/Pixar deal to failure, but I'm not ready to rubberstamp the deal as "great" yet either. We will have to see how this develops.

Stahlberg
01-26-2006, 04:38 AM
3 guys in suits stand behind him, knocking his mouse around and poking him with their Blackberries.

LOL
How did you know... you hacked into my webcam?

emilioG
01-26-2006, 06:27 AM
If I remember correctly, either someone posted this at work today, or I read it in some article, and I will not take any credit for it, but will agree.

Lasseter has been placed way up there as Chief Creative Officer, and Jobs on the board of directors. They ran Pixar like champs, so there is hope. I wouldn't be surprised if people at Disney will listen to them considering what they've accomplished.

I've always been a Disney fan. Obviously their work has gone down in terms of quality, etc. I'll cross my fingers that this could be a good thing. I highly doubt Lasseter [at least] would want to "harm" Pixar. He could've easily gone down that path many times, but hasn't.

We'll see in time.

Lestat
01-26-2006, 07:09 AM
Are you kidding? Personally, I was amazed that Disney was alright with the level of 'adult' content in that movie. Overall it still came across as warm and friendly, but they brushed on topics that no Disney flick ever had before... Parents arguing in front of their kids, hints about extramarital affairs, human to human violence (remember when he nails that guard with the rock and he falls what, about 30 feet?!)

edit: Oh yeah, and don't forget that part where Mr. Incredible almost crushes that poor woman, holy crap! I mean, it wasn't that bad... but for a movie that has Disney written all over it, wow...

Arguing in front of the kids? That's adult content where you live? Wow.

Yeah, the Incredibles was less PC than I'd expect from Disney, but left to their own devices,I'm sure Pixar would have pushed it further yet.

I HOPE that Pixar being part of Disney won't impact their work, but like others have said, it is foolish to think that management has no influence on the work produced. First of all, they decide which projects get greenlighted. For that reason alone, they have tremendous influence. Secondly, their idea of what image they want to sell also influences the end product. This is what I worry about, with my (admittedly not extensive) knowledge of how Disney operates. I see Pixar as a cheeky company that likes to surprise, Disney is more conservative and every fun idea has to go through the lawyer filter to ensure that it won't offend anyone. I may be off the target here, but not by much I think.

L.

Breinmeester
01-26-2006, 08:23 AM
Hurray for Pixar and Hurray for Disney!! Finally Disney really wants to revamp WDFA and buys in the management skills, knowledge, passion, heart and excellent creativity of Pixar! Catmull gets to run both animation studios, Lasseter is Creative Officer for both studios and the engeneering for the theme parks, Jobs has the single biggest influence on the Disney board with almost 7% in stock.

Iger does what Eisner was too proud to do: admit their weak content. And that's the first step in fixing it. Apparently the second step is buying in the magic of Pixar. I can't wait to see what the joint ventures come up with!!

ninjacore
01-26-2006, 08:35 AM
What about The Lion King (1994).

woops! POHNED on the spot!

yes. on reflection, my post about aladdin sucked. I posted it with haste and didnt think it through.

i completly forgot about the Lion King, which i loved when i was a yung un. "MUFASA!"

also i forgot that I had an animation mentor (an actual animator FOR disney at one point in his career) at university go through various disney stuff. He showed us stuff from Emperors New Groove, Treasure Planet, Mulan , Tarzan and Prince of Egypt. and he really showed us all the cool stuff within those films and how design mechanics could be applied to this work me and 4 other guys were doing ( a UT mod),
but i've never given lilo & Stitch a chance , that always looked too childish.

I know it wasnt DIsney, but Titan AE was hella cool.

dunkelzahn
01-26-2006, 08:40 AM
I'm afraid you're seriously under-estimating the power and evil of the Suit, or middle management. No matter how talented you are, a Suit can always mess up your work. :)

Yeah, but that´s what Producers and CG supervisors are for, to negotiate with the suits and keep them away from the creative and production crew (i.e. you and me). Otherwise, I agree, you have disaster striking rock-bottom.

(I remember one time, when a lone suit wandered into our department with some "splendid" new ideas. He was escorted to the door quite brutally by our producer. Never saw him wandering around our places,tehee.)

FabioMSilva
01-26-2006, 09:18 AM
holy SHI*T! This is bad news!

Psy47
01-26-2006, 10:05 AM
At first I was disappointed by this news. But after reading all 20 pages of this thread (No, I really have read all 20!) it really isn't as bad as it sounds.

I am happy that Iger is trying to repair Disney. I think Pixar will bring back the 'Disney' in Disney and i'm positive that Pixar will continue to produce great films. In some ways it really isn't that different from when Pixar had the 5 film contract with Disney.
Like it has already been said in this thread Steve Jobs is a smart man and he's not going to let Disney walk all over Pixar.

I'm looking forward to 'Cars' as we havn't had a Pixar film directed by John Lasseter for quite some time.

I wish both companies the best of luck in the future! :)

loocas
01-26-2006, 10:28 AM
I'm afraid you're seriously under-estimating the power and evil of the Suit, or middle management. No matter how talented you are, a Suit can always mess up your work. :)

You're making me wanna cry Stevie... :sad:

Nah... :D just kiddin'

Even thou I'm awar of the suits-power (I could be sued for racism here... :lightbulb ), I seriously dobt they'll wanna screw Pixar up... Why?! when the studio has had so much success so far and earned billions! The suits are interested in $$$ and if the CG dudes are happy, they produce awesome CG shit, if they produce awesome CG shit, they make people want to go to the movies and see it, if the people get there, they have to pay $$$ HOOORAAAY :bounce:

Anyways, I'm sick of this Acquisition bullshit, first Adobe, then Autodesk now Disney... :rolleyes:

Oks, that's business, so why ranting about it, especially if none of us has anything to do with that... :shrug:

xynaria
01-26-2006, 11:09 AM
I haven't seen any posts on here to date that I remember where anyone had disparaged John Lassiter, quite the opposite, so do you suddenly think that he, Jobs, Catmull have all suddenly had their brains vaporised?

Unless Pixar was in a really bad position ....one that there's little evidence of.....then why should they go ahead with this deal if they didn't think it was to the companies and their advantage?

Whilst it is possible that at some point, dependant on the fine print and any realistic enforcibility ,there may be attempts at management interference, why should it occur unless things go wildly astray?

I too see this in many ways as Pixar actually taking over a whole chunk of Disney and gaining use of all that marketing and distribution might..is that such a bad thing?

"It's all about the money"

Maybe but Pixar were doing pretty well whereas Disney hadn't had a sizeable hit in some time and was being torn apart by it's then management. It had lost focus prior to Beauty and The Beast and revamped by bringing in new people and a new approach......resulting in another 'golden age'. is this so different?

Sure it might be a total disaster but at the moment it's perhaps not a great idea to automatically assume it is.

Srek
01-26-2006, 11:09 AM
Even thou I'm awar of the suits-power (I could be sued for racism here... :lightbulb ), I seriously dobt they'll wanna screw Pixar up... Why?! when the studio has had so much success so far and earned billions! The suits are interested in $$$ and if the CG dudes are happy, they produce awesome CG shit, if they produce awesome CG shit, they make people want to go to the movies and see it, if the people get there, they have to pay $$$ HOOORAAAY :bounce:


Suits usualy have very different ideas to artists on how to make money and how to optimize making money.
The goal isn't the problem, the ways and means are.

Cheers
Björn

loocas
01-26-2006, 11:42 AM
Suits usualy have very different ideas to artists on how to make money and how to optimize making money.
The goal isn't the problem, the ways and means are.

Cheers
Björn

Quoted for agreement...

Hammy_W
01-26-2006, 11:50 AM
Well, I hope for the best for both Pixar and Disney since I'm big fan of both! :D Though I am still wondering if there's by any chance 2D feature films will be brought back again in the future, since if they realise story and content is what helps a lot... but maybe not. I guess even if it does, it's being done in Asia... :shrug:

Just mentioning this since people are talking about Aladdin and Lion King. Some of my all time favourite to this date. :D

Dennik
01-26-2006, 11:53 AM
As at this point, i guess i'm happy that Pixar is almost "running" Disney.
Its probably the best terms in a buyout i've ever heared in my life. Can things be as good as they seem?
Can Disney get it's old glory back?

Lets don't forget that Pixar itself allowed this to happen. I don't think they would do it especially when everything is going great on their side financially, if there wasn't a great potential out of this to create something great.

I think we need to give them sometime and see some results coming out of this. At this point we can only make speculations.

loocas
01-26-2006, 12:17 PM
I wish I had saved the miserable $4 billion, or whatever was the starting bid, off my pocket-money... I'd be running Pixar by now :buttrock: Hell that'd rock! :buttrock:

If someone asked me "So... what do you do for living?" my answer would be: "Well... I own Pixar... You know, Toy Story, Nemo, The Incredibles... :rolleyes: "

:D:D well... I wouldn't feel as good as if they actually hired me thou... :shrug:

Money don't always have to make you happy... :cry:

dunkelzahn
01-26-2006, 12:24 PM
Money don't always have to make you happy... :cry:

It helps however...

Ac0rN
01-26-2006, 12:58 PM
"Well... I own Pixar... You know, Toy Story, Nemo, The Incredibles... :rolleyes: "


isnt that the distributor... in this case Disney that owns the characters, thats what ive heard atleast, I may be wrong :hmm:

Psy47
01-26-2006, 01:57 PM
Just listenened to the conference: (http://corporate.disney.go.com/investors/presentations.html)

Pixar's name will remain the same (YAY!!)

Apparently John Lasseter will be reviving 2d Animation at Disney.

Sounds like Pixar have many plans for Disney Feature Animation.

sergioKomic
01-26-2006, 02:05 PM
http://www.tsevis.com/vcdc/779.gif

Heh! I cant wait to see what happens

theBIGmack60
01-26-2006, 02:47 PM
There is a good side and a bad side to this, like any other subject.

It is so aggrivating to see stuff like this happen. Disney couldn't crack a deal with pixar, so BAM we'll just go pcrying to our accountants so we can buy pixar instead. Its not fair to Mr. Lasseter and anyone else who worked from the ground up to eventually become shiney enough for some power company to see it and go "I like shiney things, I WANT IT I WANT IT *cryin to mommy kinda voice*" :deal:

I'm sure that they will still come out with great movies, I just dont like how Disney is the microsoft of animation and that throwing money is the solution to their problems. Why do your own work when you can force another company to make it for you? Claim it as your own property and make millions off of endorsements. It isn't fair to the hard working people who make characters and tell stories because they love it.

Maybe its me, i duno. :shrug:

mosconariz
01-26-2006, 02:53 PM
Apparently John Lasseter will be reviving 2d Animation at Disney.


Great!!! I'll love to see that!

That Eisner idea that 2D has already died was all bullsh·$%%t!
It's amazing that he believed his own words...

Tonianni
01-26-2006, 02:54 PM
Abt disney acquring pixar is something i really dont know how to place..i ve always imagined that smday i'd work for disney but right now..i dont know

Prevenge
01-26-2006, 03:25 PM
http://amalgamy.net/mike/work/disney_pixar.jpg

nuff said

OptimusDinkus
01-26-2006, 04:05 PM
It's like some of you guys have never seen a Disney animated feature!? doom and gloom about the merger. Hate to tell you guys this but Lasseter was a disney animator, the companies stand for the same thing. Pixar pretty much just kept Walt's ideals alive through lasseter so for the too companies to merge i can't see what the problem is. Disney have always been at the forefront of animation in the past and with this they will be again. so sit back, shut up and enjoy the movies.
Seriously, this is actually one of the greatest blessings for the mouse house, and pixar, and should probably bring about a golden age, or even a silver age for disney because of....
(origionally posted by cnn)
And John Lasseter, the highly respected creative director at Pixar who had previously worked for Disney, will rejoin the House of Mouse as chief creative officer for the company's combined animated studios and will also help oversee the design for new attractions at Disney theme parks."
On a side note also, since steve is the largest share holder, this feels more like disney being bought out by pixar, in fact, pixar practically will be taking over the place more or less... And knowing john lassiter, his ideal's should bring a back walts vision. Funny how he was canned from the mouse house and now he runs the place HA!

Shaderhacker
01-26-2006, 04:32 PM
I'm sure that they will still come out with great movies, I just dont like how Disney is the microsoft of animation and that throwing money is the solution to their problems. Why do your own work when you can force another company to make it for you? Claim it as your own property and make millions off of endorsements. It isn't fair to the hard working people who make characters and tell stories because they love it.

I think you don't understand *ANY* of what's going on. Disney obviously didn't just buy Pixar so that Pixar would do all the hard work and Disney get credit for it. On the contrary, Disney bought Pixar so that Disney can use it's own talent and tap into the bigwigs' creativity at Pixar to revive Disney's own feature animations. This was a purchase deal, but it wasn't to overtake, but to learn from it's brother - namely Pixar.

-M

dalmanna
01-26-2006, 04:49 PM
Disney has some amazing animators and artists who have, over the past so many years, been hindered from producing great films because of story decisions high up in management. One could look at this optimistically and wonder what those artists can produce in the future under the direction of Lasseter and Catmull. Just think...now we'll get to see the likes of Glen Keane and John Lasseter working together. Who knows what will happen...but we can always hope for the best. :)

Thats what i was thinking. lasseter and keane used to work together anyway, keane wanted to make a film about 'where the wild things are' that kids book. they did a test but the big wigs at disney said you can't do it coz of the cost. so now i guess is the time for them to shine. and judging from the animation on long john in treasure planet i don't think keane has lost it if anything he's more of a master now than he was on tarzan even. sweet

dalmanna
01-26-2006, 04:55 PM
Ok.
I've read a couple of posts now, saying they don't understand the hatred towards Disney or they don't see why Disney is a bad company. Others don't think that it is all about the Money.
While on the one hand, Disney is responsible for so much great movies that brought joy and happiness to generations of kids worldwide, one the other hand there are nowadays generations of kids who suffer from this movies.
Ever heard about a thing called sweatshops?
Disney is one of the biggest sweatshop companys in the world. Ever wonder where those fancy merchandise stuff comes from?
Take a look at some of Mickey's other activities:

link 1 (http://www.nlcnet.org/campaigns/shahmakhdum/)

link 2 (http://www.cleanclothes.org/companies/06-01-public_eye.htm)

link 3 (http://www.maquilasolidarity.org/campaigns/disney/report.htm)

link 4 (http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/SweatShops/SweatShops.html)

And if it isn't all about money for Disney, why do they use child abuse and cheap labour for their products? They are making millions if not billions with merchandise and it costs them virtually nothing!
I love Pixar. And I was most pleased when I heard years ago that they are going to get rid of the publishing contract with Disney, becoming independent and getting away from this large multi with its most questionable methods. It's the right decision to leave a company who has no place at all for morals and ethics.
But now it saddens me to hear that they are becoming a substantial part of all this.
It's just terrible...my opinion. :sad:



yes its sick. but that isn't disney that we mean thats disney the company. i was talking about the animation part the magic bit when Walt was alive. i don't think walt would have done anything like that nor would anyone who thinks like him. that shite only happends coz of money bandits for toys and stuff. it wasn't part of the original 'dream' if you like.

dalmanna
01-26-2006, 04:59 PM
[QUOTE=ninjacore]the last good thing by dishney was Aladdin. in 1992.

we all know it.
QUOTE]

Emperor's New Groove [2000].

Watch it. Love it.

yeah that was pretty funny the big guy, klunk was it? so dumb but so cool

willbrown
01-26-2006, 05:02 PM
You can solve problems one of two ways ingenuity or throwing around money. Wonderful things happen at any company driven by the former, however Disney's culture (like all transcontinental corporations) is the latter. It's not that they can't hire talents to churn out lion king 1.5. It's that the germ of an idea of a 1.0 can never make it through the corporate beaurocrap to actually get made.


Money and creativity are not mutually exclusive. I've heard that Pixar animators get the best pay and perks, rightly so. Quality costs money. Any fool can squander money; look at what Eisner did at Disney. Pixar's golden goose has been Steve Job's insistance on creating great entertaining stories. Jobs' philosophy will migrate to the rest of Disney animation and the rest of Disney. I know Jobs will kick butt to make sure it does. Jobs has made a couple of misteps along the way, but he ain't a fool.

Steve Job's should become Disney's CEO. Consider that. Innovation like Apple invigorating Disney imagineering.

Looks to me like we all win.

theKal
01-26-2006, 05:05 PM
well well, just heard that...

I m just hoping that we'll not see something like "The Incredibles" singing about the sorrow they feel about fighting evil...:D

Capel
01-26-2006, 05:59 PM
well well, just heard that...

I m just hoping that we'll not see something like "The Incredibles" singing about the sorrow they feel about fighting evil...:D

you know, some of you guys are bagging on the songs, but you don't seem to realize that those songs contributed a lot to making 'The Little Mermaid through The Lion King' Disney's golden age. i personally wouldn't mind seeing a few movies that follow that old formula. as long as the music is well written, like the golden age stuff...

dalmanna
01-26-2006, 06:28 PM
you know, some of you guys are bagging on the songs, but you don't seem to realize that those songs contributed a lot to making 'The Little Mermaid through The Lion King' Disney's golden age. i personally wouldn't mind seeing a few movies that follow that old formula. as long as the music is well written, like the golden age stuff...

Yeah anything but Phil Collins :) mulans songs were pretty funny

mummey
01-26-2006, 06:51 PM
http://www.wpk.p.lodz.pl/%7Eboner/south/dorosli/Phil.gif

/me reaches for his ritalin.

EricLyman
01-26-2006, 07:37 PM
Arguing in front of the kids? That's adult content where you live? Wow.

Ahem, I'm sure you know as well as the rest of us that I am speaking in the context of Disney films here, not my own measurement of what is explicit. I don't think that was hard to deduce from my post. :shrug:

Romero
01-26-2006, 08:44 PM
Please GOD make sure there are no sing a longs in the new era of Pixar/Disney films. I once remember seeing an interview with Lassester on 20/20 and he mentioned how they would not have songs in there films, along with a few other details. I personally can't stand having music sing alongs in films, I understand these films are usually for children, but in todays world its not just children and there parents going to see these films.

Hence the question when will we see a 3D film that is directed more to adults?

EricLyman
01-26-2006, 08:55 PM
Hence the question when will we see a 3D film that is directed more to adults?

Final Fantasy was just that... but didn't do well at the box office. I think we'll see more eventually.

Breinmeester
01-26-2006, 09:32 PM
Final Fantasy was just that... but didn't do well at the box office. I think we'll see more eventually.

Don't confuse adulthood with puberty. ;o)

johnny_riptide
01-26-2006, 11:27 PM
I once remember seeing an interview with Lassester on 20/20 and he mentioned how they would not have songs in there films, along with a few other details.


You must be forgetting the song by Sarah McLachlan & Randy Newman in Toy Story 2, "When She Loved Me"

The song worked well in that instance...

Hammy_W
01-26-2006, 11:36 PM
What I don't understand before is, Pixar agreed to do sequels as well. Until I listened to the conference call. They explained pretty well there and I think it's true. Toy Story 2 proved sequels CAN be good too! If written well, but ofcourse we still prefer to see new things up than having to see Toy Story turning into a 20 episode feature film. This, I feel would apply to all the singing song story telling as well. And not to forget, there's a few singing stuff in Toy Story but it fitted well. Especially the part where Jessie tells her story?

As for Phil Collins, I don't know, personally I liked what he did for Tarzan. :lol: Tarzan was great in my opinion, great gags, great anatomy, great acting. But I guess that's up to individuals! :D

Chill!

BillB
01-27-2006, 12:49 AM
you know, some of you guys are bagging on the songs, but you don't seem to realize that those songs contributed a lot to making 'The Little Mermaid through The Lion King' Disney's golden age. Amen. I love the lion king soundtrack! Kids love songs.
"Appropriate" is the key word here...

dalmanna
01-27-2006, 09:01 AM
What I don't understand before is, Pixar agreed to do sequels as well. Until I listened to the conference call. They explained pretty well there and I think it's true. Toy Story 2 proved sequels CAN be good too! If written well, but ofcourse we still prefer to see new things up than having to see Toy Story turning into a 20 episode feature film. This, I feel would apply to all the singing song story telling as well. And not to forget, there's a few singing stuff in Toy Story but it fitted well. Especially the part where Jessie tells her story?

As for Phil Collins, I don't know, personally I liked what he did for Tarzan. :lol: Tarzan was great in my opinion, great gags, great anatomy, great acting. But I guess that's up to individuals! :D

Chill! hey i loved tarzan, i wasn't thinking of that more brother bear:shrug: besides you gotta love tarzan, keane was on it. :buttrock:

dalmanna
01-27-2006, 09:15 AM
Final Fantasy was just that... but didn't do well at the box office. I think we'll see more eventually.


because it lacked story, though it did seam a little better on dvd. it's one of them films that look alright but for no apparent reason. surely that film could have been made live action? characters were doing anything spectacular even at the best of times. I think most people saw that and thought whats the point least I did anyway.

As for adult films, whats an adult film? do people mean in subject matter. I wouldn't call a film like 'terminator' an adult film, anyone can 'get it' Arnie killing stuff. That film was a lot cooler when i was a kid. I would put films like 'pay it forward' as an adult film despite it being a PG coz it deals with stuff that most kids won't get or if they do, it'll bore the hell out of them.

What do people mean when they say adult? Answers on a post card. :D

ukyo
01-27-2006, 05:19 PM
"this water looks questionable to me"

BillB
01-27-2006, 06:57 PM
Ok, so where in that NYT article quoted on the CGNetworks News masthead does it say "Lasseter will be in charge of reviving 2d at Disney"? Did I miss something? All I could find was Cook suggesting John might at some point wanna do that. Was something concrete said in the conference?
Inquiring minds need to know!

dalmanna
01-28-2006, 08:38 AM
"this water looks questionable to me"

it's a piranna!!!

jeremybirn
01-28-2006, 05:54 PM
Ok, so where in that NYT article quoted on the CGNetworks News masthead does it say "Lasseter will be in charge of reviving 2d at Disney"? Did I miss something? All I could find was Cook suggesting John might at some point wanna do that. Was something concrete said in the conference? Inquiring minds need to know!

I didn't see that either. I saw the article when someone posted it on cgtalk (link to thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=312961)) and it mentioned his interest and quoted Richard Cook saying "it wouldn't surprise me if" he did a 2D project. This whole merger is in an early stage, and the only reasonable response is to wait and see what emerges - which might include cool things like new 2D animation at Disney. :)

-jeremy

ukyo
01-28-2006, 11:03 PM
it's a piranna!!!


lol, thats awesome!

pearson
01-30-2006, 06:23 PM
I didn't see that either. I saw the article when someone posted it on cgtalk (link to thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=312961)) and it mentioned his interest and quoted Richard Cook saying "it wouldn't surprise me if" he did a 2D project. This whole merger is in an early stage, and the only reasonable response is to wait and see what emerges - which might include cool things like new 2D animation at Disney. :)

-jeremy
Hmm. I think Victor Navone mentioned last year that Pixar might do a 2D project. It'll be interesting to see how things work out.

mosconariz
02-02-2006, 01:22 AM
I have but one thing to say...BENEFFIT OF THE DOUBT!

I DOUBT THAT

whatever you were trying to say...

gonchelas
02-02-2006, 01:36 AM
I DOUBT THAT

whatever you were trying to say...


What are you, some kind of computer generated RETARD!!!?

gonchelas
02-02-2006, 01:43 AM
I DOUBT THAT

whatever you were trying to say...

WOW computer Generated RETARDs dont usualy take that long on making come backs, you must be some new breed of CGR, maybge a CGR Plus?

BRUTICUS
02-02-2006, 01:45 AM
I hope this means 2D animation is not dead for Disney.
I hope this means we will see more movies like Lilo and Stitch.
I hope this means we will see less poorly made sequels

i'm optimistic.

mosconariz
02-02-2006, 01:48 AM
WOW computer Generated RETARDs dont usualy take that long on making come backs, you must be some new breed of CGR, maybge a CGR Plus?

Sorry, Did I missed something? Is this a monologue?

gonchelas
02-02-2006, 01:50 AM
Sorry, Did I missed something? Is this a monologue?

WOW the CGR made a comeback!!! good for him, but. Does he even know what a monolouge is?

mosconariz
02-02-2006, 01:54 AM
Before posting, please review the following:
2.Engage your brain before your mouth.
3. Don't dilute the forums with irrelevant and unnecessary fluff.

aaron111
02-03-2006, 12:10 AM
WOW the CGR made a comeback!!! good for him, but. Does he even know what a monolouge is?

I went back and looked at other messages you've posted, and had to laugh. In one message you ask "why are my threads always getting banned and deleted?"

I'll answer you right here. Because most of your posts are rude, childish, and uncalled for. Maybe you don't understand this concept because you are used to other forums where you can spam and troll all you want, but CGTalk is higher caliber forum. It is frequented by many professionals and students trying to obtain and share information and engage in useful discussion, most of the users here understand that and cooperate - trolls like yourself aren't tolerated well.

EricLyman
02-03-2006, 12:31 AM
I went back and looked at other messages you've posted, and had to laugh. In one message you ask "why are my threads always getting banned and deleted?" I'll answer you right here. Because most of your posts are rude, childish, and uncalled for.

I just browsed his history of posts too (great, great feature...) and I've got to agree. Most of the posts are just fluff, better saved for lesser forums.

Keep in mind, gonchelas, that CGTalk is frequented by many industry professionals, and a good impression counts for something here.

M.E.L.
02-03-2006, 12:52 AM
am I the only one who's looking at gonchelas and mosconariz realizing that their user profiles pretty much match (same company, same class... whatever) and their posts are within minutes of each other.

seems to me that it's either a bored kid posting from 2 accounts for no apparent reason or it's classmates just griefing the boards with lame banter.

either or... take that $#!+ to deviantart.


-s

gonchelas
02-03-2006, 04:49 PM
am I the only one who's looking at gonchelas and mosconariz realizing that their user profiles pretty much match (same company, same class... whatever) and their posts are within minutes of each other.

seems to me that it's either a bored kid posting from 2 accounts for no apparent reason or it's classmates just griefing the boards with lame banter.

either or... take that $#!+ to deviantart.


-s

HAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY NO MAMEEEEEN!!!

gonchelas
02-03-2006, 05:10 PM
HAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY NO MAMEEEEEN!!!

TRANSLATE:

Cant my partener and I have a little fun?, I know this industry is about professionales, but it is about professionales having FUN, dont take it personal CG guys, is just two partners having some inocent fun ok.

Dont take life so seriouslly, it will kill you anyway!

M.E.L.
02-03-2006, 06:32 PM
There's a fine line between fun and just being obnoxious guys.

Filling a thread with such useless banter in my eyes and many others isn't exactly "fun" nor is it a good way of people gaining a good rep on the boards. As I said in my previous post, if you don't have anything topic related to contribute to this thread; DON'T POST. Take the "fun" over to Yahoo chat or Deviantart.


-s

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