Not a Bull but Just as Bad

[Vizon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Vizon/Reference/RHINO_WIP.jpg
Been working on this all day and almost have the rhino gal finished (putting off the background still). Here's a close-up too. I need to figure out what kind of lighting I want and I see I need to increase the contrast in the bent arm there to clarify it a little better. Any suggestions on the rhino herself while I'm working on her?

[Pixelcritter]

lol, interesting concept. how many beers whould you have to drink to wake up to that? :love: :shrug:

[ThePhotographer]

I really like this - more updates please !

[innominatesnap]

Quite the modest Rhino. Any plans to add in some broken china?

[Vizon]

Here's my idea for the background currently. It's just a quickie sketch so I know the lines aren't perfectly straight and the vanishing point is negligable, but I think it'll work...

Outsider's opinions?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Vizon/Reference/RHINO_BGsketch.jpg

[ThePhotographer]

I'm absolutely confident !

[nafa]

Nice concept, but the leaning cupboard/display stand seemed deliberately placed in an location to invite accident. Affects the credibility of the setup.

[Lemog]

Very very good concept here... in first, I really like the original sketch... but the colored starting version is really great, really pleasant and very fun... good design and color choice for her :thumbsup:

Why not the project of new background... the only thing which disturb me, it's the difference of perspective between the both... but the idea is cool... just want to see the next step now :)

[ThePhotographer]

Hi Vizon !

Are you working like a madlady ?

True what someone else said : the initial sketch was simply super - I'd never be able to do such a good sketch myself !

So ? Any updates ?


Gitte

[Vizon]

Sorry I was speed-painting today (and painted for the figure drawing challenge until 3 in the morn last night :P). Trying to just get warmed up and more comfortable with my Wacom again (took a bit of a hiatus after graduation). I'm wondering whether I should change her right leg so it's on a different plane or lifting up so you can see how she's bumping the cupboard. I will have to doodle with it. And I need some straight lines for the vanishing point/perspective. I'm used to hopping from Photoshop to Painter and back again but on this computer I only have Painter and haven't found the "line" tool still...
*sheepish grin*

I need to grab my harddrive so I can just move it back and forth from home to work. I'll see if I can get some work done on it soon, just for you guys. ;)

[Vizon]

How's this for perspective? I made her significantly bigger than the person so that it makes more sense why she's having trouble getting around the shop (plus she's a bit clumsy anyway). Is the table better than the cupboard? Is it believable? How about the raised foot?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Vizon/Reference/RHINO_Perspective.jpg

[Lemog]

mmmh... that can be possible like that, but you need to have an another break point for the horizontal lines... too much horizontal... she have in her perspective this second break point...
the raised foot is good for me... not too much is better cause she doesn't have to move too much for breaking something ;)

[Vizon]

mmmh... that can be possible like that, but you need to have an another break point for the horizontal lines... too much horizontal... she have in her perspective this second break point...
the raised foot is good for me... not too much is better cause she doesn't have to move too much for breaking something ;)

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean by needing another break point for the horizontal lines. I have many more diagonal lines than horizontal lines I think. Is there any way you can show me?

Also I wanted the point of this painting to be that she is a walking disaster in the middle of a china shop (similar to the phrase "Like a bull in a china shop"). So the fact that it looks like she doesn't have to move too much to break something seems like a good thing...Do you disagree?

[Lemog]

sorry it's quickly done to illustrate my thought...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/rhino.jpg

For the china shop... of course, it's perfect... in french, the sentence is "as an elephant in a porcelain shop"...
...but bull or rhino is of course really understandable :thumbsup:

[Vizon]

Thanks a ton, Lemog! That really helps!

[Lemog]

Héhé thanks... I'm not a 2d specialist... but it's my vision... just waiting impatiently the next step... goooooooo :bounce:

[Vizon]

For those who are waiting - an update. Still rather raw, but that's because I'm still thinking of changing things - like the yellow table. I think it might be better if it's caught on the hind end of her foot instead of the front like she's taking a step backward or out. I'm also still thinking about colors. I think pastels are a good idea for a china shop, but that's also up for debate. Um - the shadows :shrug:I just can't seem to get right. Bah! All I can think to do is recreate the scene out of clay with blocky replacements and shine the appropriate lights on them. Does anyone have any quicker solutions to figuring out shadow placement? And here my ignorance shows through painfully. How am I ever going to get a job as an artist when I don't even know how to properly render shadows? :sad:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Vizon/Reference/RHINOwithBGcolortest.jpg

[Lemog]

Yeah... more...

The perspective is really better now... about the yellow table... it's good for me... maybe the vase need to be more oriented, to give more action of falling...

Pastel colors are beautiful, but for my advice, china shop have generally strong colors... like warm red, bottle green and gold... but in over hand, that can be just a sweet porcelain shop...

About shadows, I can't give you some good technics... just the feeling, as the breakpoint for perspective, you can draw some lines which started of the light source, that can help you... just think with some different sources as spot, or lamp, or natural sun light, etc... the rays can react differently. For example, much spread shadows for a spot, and very right rays for the sun (parallel)...

(sorry, it's hard for me to explain my thought in english, I hope you understand:shrug: )

[Vizon]

Yeah I think I understand. Thanks a ton, Lemog - I really appreciate your help!

[Gord-MacDonald]

I love the drawing, and am enjoying watching the painting develop.


Gord

[MetallManson]

Its very nice (great idea)!,. But I think you original idea of the background was much better than this one,. I know its not fine to hear (because you put lots of work in the new background) but I think you should go back to the first background.
I hope so see a update soon :)

greetz,

MM

[Vizon]

Its very nice (great idea)!,. But I think you original idea of the background was much better than this one,. I know its not fine to hear (because you put lots of work in the new background) but I think you should go back to the first background.
I hope so see a update soon :)

greetz,

MM

I consider the original as too boring and flat. Tell me what qualities about the first cause you to like it better than the more dimensional one at present. Give me a reason you like it more, please, so I can perhaps come up with something else.

[MetallManson]

I think I like the first one more because of the simple background. It let the viewer focus more on the rhino. But that is just my opinion maybe other people like this one more,..

[Vizon]

Maybe I can just take out the open doorway there. Then the eye won't be pulled away from the Rhino gal as much.

[zpapageo]

That's hilarious! The rendering on the rhino is excellent (though I must say, that butt in the bikini is quite disturbing:eek:)
As for the shadows, I think inside of a cluttered china shop you would have a lot of latitude with the lighting and shadows. There wouldnt really be one single light source, but light bouncing all over off the shiny objects. Meaning, I dont think you can go wrong by spotting shadows & highlights impressionistically.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/zpapageo/CD1D53FE9544F8F0A09DC468A18A2515.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/zpapageo/OpryAntiques15.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/zpapageo/LeesburgAntique_AssortedAnt.jpg

[Vizon]

Nice! Thanks zpapageo! Most useful reference photos! And thanks for the encouragement on the shadows...thinking about it put me in a stand-still.

[Digitalpaint]

Your Rhino character looks perfect for a funny scene
When the chinaware idea isn’t going the way you want it why don’t you consider something else There are lots of possibilities for her: I can imagine her at the side of a small swimming pool with some kids in it. She’s just about to jump in… the kids look a bit uncertain to miss rhino etc etc…
Well it’s just an idea…. Goodluck with your painting



Btw Your idea reminds of a saying here in holland: don’t act like a hippopotamus in a chinaware store. ( in other words: be subtle… )

[Vizon]

Yeah, Arty, I think I hate this background. All the stupid gradients and perspective just aren't working for me. I feel it's more a chore than a delight to work on this now, so I think I need to scrap it and start back again with just the rhino. I like the cliche' with the China shop since it seems to be a well-known phrase (whether it's a bull or elephant or a hippo), but what I have just isn't working.

Maybe I can do a completely different scene (like your swimming pool idea - which would make what she's wearing more appropriate) and then do an actual BULL in a China shop later.

Bah...I don't have as much time to work as I did when I started this. It's terribly frustrating, but I do want to finish. Maybe I'll put the bull in this same thread along with the rhino. Maybe I'll be able to work on it Saturday afternoon (I think I've overcommitted myself to too many things).

Good luck on your fairies, Arty.

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