STAR WARS WINS "Peoples Choice" Awards Best Movie

[Spriggan12]

George Lucas was in attendance to accept the award, and it was obvious that he was moved to receive it. Here was his speech:

Thank you very much!""Thank you. Thank you all. This is a very, very important award for me. Star Wars, oddly enough, doesn't really get that many awards. I'm not a big favorite with the critics, but who listens to them? I'm not a big industry favorite either, but of course they are a bunch of studio executives. The most important people for any filmmaker, the reason that I make films, is for you! The audience rules! Thank you. Thank you very much!

[TDebG]

I am surprised but not surprised too. But its funny how he jabbed at studio execs in his speech when he is one himself! But I agree that he was at first a rebel who made star wars while fighting the system. Awesome.

[Fahad]

He rightly deserves it I think. Congrats.

[JDex]

And yet, everyone I've discussed the movie with (in person) thought it had some cool effects, but sucked... even 11 year olds. I dunno, the people also like McDonalds and think reality tv is cool. :hmm:

[Spriggan12]

Post a related SW related topic and the SW haters will come.

"if u post it, they will come" :wip:

[Capel]

i don't so much consider myself a star wars hater, as much as i do a sh*tty movie hater, that's all.

the fact that it won anything other than an effects related award is hilarious. BEST MOVIE DRAMA?! more like WORST MOVIE DRAMA. ooh, take THAT star wars!

but seriously, probably the most ridiculous thing i've heard all year. yet another reason why i think the earth needs to be wiped clean and humanity rebooted. what is WRONG with people?!

p.s. when flaming me, keep in mind that i'm just kidding about everything except hating star wars.... at least the new ones.

[dbates]

Congratulations to everyone here who worked on it. I can only dream. . .


I wonder who the next Lucas will be? Somebody willing to buck the 'rules', and produce something extraordinary?

[JDex]

Post a related SW related topic and the SW haters will come.

"if u post it, they will come" :wip:

Crap... I wish I was a hater. My love for Star Wars is what makes the Prequals, from a story point of view such a disappointment.

[tevih]

Wierd... don't know how it won anything... Just today in class a teacher made fun of it and everyone laughed (because it was funny and true, not for the grade...).

I think this quote from Darth Vader sums it up: "Noooooooo!!" :banghead:

[edit] but then again, it's an msn article so it has to be true.

[Capel]

Somebody willing to buck the 'rules', and produce something extraordinary?

yeah, unfortunately this time around he bucked rules like cohesion and emotion to produce something extraordinarily bad.... dangit.

here's a funny read:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3

WARNING: profanity. may be offensive to some viewers.

[poly-phobic]

everytime the star wars prequels get praised, god kills a kitten... and Lucas gets insanely richer.....

i lost respect for this man soon after EP1, and i lost respect for star wars fans after they swallowed hole his pile of monkey excrement that all 3 prequels were.

that fat bastard desirves to be sanctioned to never stand behind the camera again.. or write any screen plays for that matter.

death to lucas['work]

[Geta-Ve]

i finally got to see episode 3 about 20 days ago.. yes i know i was a bit late, but i saw it none the less, now one thing i will say right away is that it has THE best effects in any movie i have ever seen.. ever. on the flip side though it seems that all that money spent on effects there was none left for good actors (as much as I like Ewan McGreggor)

Now the most hilarious part of the movie was near the end when obi wan went to fight anakin, and obi is standing on the platform in some superman esque position, i nearly pissed my pants.. the pose is fine, but he stayed like that for so long it was just way too funny.

Then you have of course the "noooooo" from Vader :p

Anyways, congrats to the award I guess

[heavyness]

congrats to everyone who worked on it and to all the fans out there.


and i would like to thank all the people who go out of their way to hijack threads and submit comments like they are immature 12 year olds with nothing better to do. thanks for ruining the conversations!

[JDex]

Yes of course... heaven forbid their be dissenting opinion in a conversation. The shame. :banghead: Agree or you've ruined the "conversation".

[xino]

I'm genuinely happy for George for the award. He's been shunned more than Denzel and he's handled it admirably. He's made (arguably) the single biggest storyline ever told in movies, he changed the face of all digital content, because of him merchandising anything changed, and he's brought (or seperated) more people in the last 30 years than any single government has done (that's really distressing if you think about it). He deserves any award he's gotten. It's about time another group of people acknowledge what he's done for so many artists, companies, industries, and kids (who matter more than any of us ever will).

Congratulations to him and everyone who helped him achieve what's he accomplished. Here's to 30 more.

[yeoj]

SW Rocks!!! congratz!!! :buttrock:

[thethule]

Let the man win awards galore for his technical achievments. No question about that, but best movie drama? Yes......i guess lines like this are deserving:

Anakin: You're beautiful.
Padme: You only say that because you love me.
Anakin: I thought I say it because you love me.
Padme: So you are blinded by love?

(Dont forget to say the lines in a tone of voice like you are about to kill yourself)


Ahhhhh....what a poet.

I admire Monsieur Lucas for a lot of things, but good god, these films were horrendous. I get that funny knot in my stomach when i think about them. Like when you are in love, but then you realise it isnt that, its actually diarrhea.


Marc "PROUD to hate Star Wars"

[Spriggan12]

Like I said every time a Star Wars related post is posted, haters and people flock to it to scream how much they "hate SW's" or how much they hate the Prequals vs the original series. It never fails, any thread about Star Wars brings them out. Its like splashing water creating Gremlings. They multiply, they multiply and hi-jack a thread.

The hypthosis is sealed, they come every time

The EW takes votes online from the fans, and SW's won. Thats why george gave the speech.

Fans determine how good a movie is and SW was the biggest movie of 2005 by a long shot, due to fans. They voted, and he won. Live with it.




KL

[heavyness]

i really don't care if you like SW or not, but entering a conversation just to argue is very rude. this is not a debate forum, this a forum were people can come together, act professional, and talk about subjects they like. LINK (http://forums.cgsociety.org/faq.php?faq=cgtalk_faq#faq_new_faq_item)

if i was out in public at a coffee shop and talking about video games with several people and someone just interrupts the conversations saying "video games suck, so do you, bla bla bla..." we would ask him to leave. that is how the real life works. but since we are behind a computer screen, we're free to say what we want because are alter-online egos permit it.

by all means, start up a thread and type away about how much you don't like it... i'll even give everyone some topic name suggestions..

1] Star Wars Debate : Good or Bad
2] Star Wars : everyone else hates it, guess i do to
3] Star Wars : its sucks, lets talk about, nothing better to do


there yeah go. post away! BUT, i won't be in threads #2 & #3. Why? Because they don't pertain to me and it would be inappropriate for me to post in those threads. I would rather chat with people then argue.

[JDex]

i really don't care if you like SW or not, but entering a conversation just to argue is very rude. this is not a debate forum, this a forum were people can come together, act professional, and talk about subjects they like. LINK (http://forums.cgsociety.org/faq.php?faq=cgtalk_faq#faq_new_faq_item)

if i was out in public at a coffee shop and talking about video games with several people and someone just interrupts the conversations saying "video games suck, so do you, bla bla bla..." we would ask him to leave. that is how the real life works. but since we are behind a computer screen, we're free to say what we want because are alter-online egos permit it.

by all means, start up a thread and type away about how much you don't like it... i'll even give everyone some topic name suggestions..

1] Star Wars Debate : Good or Bad
2] Star Wars : everyone else hates it, guess i do to
3] Star Wars : its sucks, lets talk about, nothing better to do


there yeah go. post away! BUT, i won't be in threads #2 & #3. Why? Because they don't pertain to me and it would be inappropriate for me to post in those threads. I would rather chat with people then argue.


Kole... I just don't know what to say. You have clearly put alot of thought in to your post, and your a pretty good chap from all online appearances... But you are clearly confused on what is going on here, as this thread is clearly not what you think... oh wait maybe I'm wrong.

The next time I see a thread anywhere on the forum discussing anything... I'll try to remember not to responsd, because my post may not agree with someone who has or plans to post, and therefore, I would just be entering the conversation to argue... I'll try to remember that CGTalk is a professional forum where people must agree so that they can discuss subjects that they like, and that each thread is infact a coffee shop conversation between several people, but if you disagree with any of those people, you should just go away, because after all agreement about the subject, even when it makes for no conversation at all is unprofessional and just plain mean.

I commented on the awards, giving my sincerest opinion on their validity, and you disagree... You have my humblest of apologies.

I commented on the award winner, giving my sincerest opinion as well as a breif summary of my personal experiences in having real "conversation" with real people regarding the award winner, and you disagree... You have my humblest apologies.

I clearly have alot to learn about how to have forum conversations, as they are nothing like real conversations at all... oh wait, or maybe I'm wrong again.

Meh... drink the kool-aid and enjoy. :banghead:

[Capel]

I'm genuinely happy for George for the award. He's been shunned more than Denzel and he's handled it admirably. He's made (arguably) the single biggest storyline ever told in movies, he changed the face of all digital content, because of him merchandising anything changed, and he's brought (or seperated) more people in the last 30 years than any single government has done (that's really distressing if you think about it). He deserves any award he's gotten. It's about time another group of people acknowledge what he's done for so many artists, companies, industries, and kids (who matter more than any of us ever will).

Congratulations to him and everyone who helped him achieve what's he accomplished. Here's to 30 more.

oh give me a break. you make it sound like he sat in a room and wrote all these programs and created all this technology himself. the guy is a HORRIBLE director. you guys keep leaving out that simple fact. if the guy deserves any award, it's the "Thanks for supplying all these incredible artists and innovators with the money to create new technology and advance the art of digital effects in film" award.

Lucas himself gave next to nothing to the creative/artistic aspect of things. his contribution was mostly financial.

"He's made (arguably) the single biggest storyline ever told in movies"

What does that even mean? A big storyline? Full of holes and devoid of emotion. Yeah, congratulations on that one. It's next to impossible to f*ck up a star wars prequel, and yet he pulled it off three consecutive times. You gotta wonder how it makes him feel when he sees that anyone that's not him can take the star wars world and make pure gold out of it. (i.e., the clone wars cartoons)

[Capel]

. They voted, and he won. Live with it.



and i hate star wars. Live with it. this is a discussion forum. what part of that don't you understand?

JDex: quoted for agreement.

[Pyke]

Lucas himself gave next to nothing to the creative/artistic aspect of things. his contribution was mostly financial.



AAK! This comment is SO FAR OFF THE MARK I dont even know where to start.

[dbates]

C'mon guys, settle down a bit, okay? George isn't the best director ever, and he isn't the worst director either. Some people like Star Wars, some people don't. Why all the emotion? It's just a movie, right?

[CupOWonton]

AAK! This comment is SO FAR OFF THE MARK I dont even know where to start.

Youre right, I mean, Lucas is the only one who could get entire theatres either LAUGHING or BOOING at the Darth Vader "NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo" which was apparently supposed to be serious and not comedic in any horribly funny way.

[heavyness]

JDex, nothing against you personally.

in a thread like Autodesk Acquires Alias (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282856) i would expect debates among the regular discussions, that is a complex subject that anyone can easily see 2 sides of the argument.

but it seems almost impossible for anyone on this [or any online] forum to carry on a conversation without someone coming in and flaming away, the whole "I Hate what you Like" attitude. If i created a thread titled "Star Wars fans, lets chat and geek out over Star Wars" i would find the thread garbaged up with junk posts. its just very frustrating.

[JDex]

JDex, nothing against you personally.

in a thread like Autodesk Acquires Alias (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282856) i would expect debates among the regular discussions, that is a complex subject that anyone can easily see 2 sides of the argument.

but it seems almost impossible for anyone on this [or any online] forum to carry on a conversation without someone coming in and flaming away, the whole "I Hate what you Like" attitude. If i created a thread titled "Star Wars fans, lets chat and geek out over Star Wars" i would find the thread garbaged up with junk posts. its just very frustrating.


It's cool man... Don't let it frustrate you, it's just the nature of opinion. As I said, I don't hate it... I actually liked it more than most of the people who I've talked to about it, it's beautiful and I'm a CG guy. I just can't imagine (based on my own "polling") how it wins this award, particularly for drama.

I haven't seen what was listed as the other drama nominees, but based on the winner, it seems like the options were... "Paint Drying", "Water Boiling" and "Whatever Uwe's last movie was".

Anywho... I'm out.

[xino]

oh give me a break. you make it sound like he sat in a room and wrote all these programs and created all this technology himself. the guy is a HORRIBLE director. you guys keep leaving out that simple fact. if the guy deserves any award, it's the "Thanks for supplying all these incredible artists and innovators with the money to create new technology and advance the art of digital effects in film" award.

Lucas himself gave next to nothing to the creative/artistic aspect of things. his contribution was mostly financial.

"He's made (arguably) the single biggest storyline ever told in movies"

What does that even mean? A big storyline? Full of holes and devoid of emotion. Yeah, congratulations on that one. It's next to impossible to f*ck up a star wars prequel, and yet he pulled it off three consecutive times. You gotta wonder how it makes him feel when he sees that anyone that's not him can take the star wars world and make pure gold out of it. (i.e., the clone wars cartoons)

Perhaps you should actually re-read my post since I never stated anything like that. In fact I congratulated everyone who's worked with him. You sure do have a chip on your shoulder. Also you forget he was broke putting ILM together. Whther you like to admit it or not, ILM and Lucas changed the face of almost every entertainment industry out there.

Tolkien only gave us a story as well, but I can assure you that there are tons of artists, movie execs, merchandisers, and film directors who give credit where it's due. Mr. Lucas was a stupendously influential man and if you can't admit that, then you just have issues that no one on this board will be able to deal with.

[Apoclypse]

My onle question is, Why isn't the Luke Skywalker "Nooooooooo" as funny as the Darth Vader "Noooooo". Maybe cause of the camera angle and the director knew how not to make the moment cheesy. But you guys got to lighten up a little, its not like Lucas is Uwe Boll or something, at least his movies are watchable. Whatever Uwe Boll smokes, he can keep it cause its surely poison.

[Capel]

Whther you like to admit it or not, ILM and Lucas changed the face of almost every entertainment industry out there.


the operative word here is ILM. Sure it's lucas's company and i give credit there, because it is due. Lucas is a brilliant BUSINESSMAN. that's IT, and he proved that that's it with the last 3 SW films. That's ALL i'm saying.

Anyone who says that George Lucas is an award-deserving filmmaker just tends to come off as a fanboy who can't come to terms with that fact that Lucas has lost what little touch he ever had. When your films are devoid of BASIC movie-making principles, it no longer becomes an issue of opinion.

End rant.

[JMcWilliams]

End rant.
I doubt it. :beer: :bowdown: :D

I think Lucas has a few good points as a filmmaker but his dialogue writing skills are not one of them. He's more an idea man than an 'implementor' IMHO

[RobertoOrtiz]

People we are not debating the end of world hunger or the best method to cure aids.


So please, keep it light.

-R

[Capel]

He's more an idea man than an 'implementor' IMHO

i'd agree with this. the broad idea of the SW franchise, the setting, jedi's, the force, the empire, all that jazz is great stuff. he just can't seem to make it work on screen anymore.... weird.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Here is what I think of Lucas and Star Wars.

The man sure knows how to build great worlds.
Think about it, every SW movie has expanded the Star Wars Universe
one way or another, creating enough background to do countless tales.

That is why the comics, novels, video games and tv shows.
The movies might be ok, but the universe he created is awesome.
-R

[Emmanuel]

Roberto, I think You are a pretty cool poster and Your posts alwaya hit the nail, except for this one, come on, have You watched the making of Ep3 ?
Lucas clearly had no vision whatsoever for Ep3, except for the obvious fact he had to make it.Creating worlds ? He went to his art departement and told them "make something with lava", that's about it, then he chose from what the artists offered, I hardly call that a genius :/
He didn't even have a story to begin with, when he already gave art direction !
Just for a comparison, I watched another FX movie DVD after Ep3 around xmas: The Return Of The King.
And while ROTK is also dramatic and theatrical, the dialogues can be taken serious within the story and even the smallest roles are brilliantly played.
John Noble should have gotten an Oscar for his role, I rarely had such creepy feeling with an actor as I had with him, and HE ALONE is lightyears, no, GALAXIES ahead of anything acted in Ep1-3.These prequels have absolutely NO acting value, the story is lame compared to the original trilogy and the only thing they have going for them is the advancement in digital technology.
I have never been a LOTR fan per se, but the acting from everyone, the heartfelt dedication, the love to the smallest detail makes the SW prequels look like cheap, overhyped, fat, sugar coated nonsense.
And people love it just because its Star Wars, and maybe for what it could have been.
People who voted for that clearly have a serious lack of imagination.
I know that sounds crude, but its my honest opinion because I feel that ROTK is so much more than Ep3 an epic drama.

[slaughters]

yeah, unfortunately this time around he bucked rules like cohesion and emotion to produce something extraordinarily bad.... dangit...What are you talking about ?

Star Wars was made in the 70's. This was about the original movie, not the more recent film attempts.

...Lucas clearly had no vision whatsoever for Ep3, except for the obvious fact he had to make it.Creating worlds ? He went to his art departement and told them "make something with lava",...Did you mean Ep4, "A New Hope"? I remember reading the book before the first movie came out. It seemed a little more detailed than "make something with lava...". I'm not comparing it to Tolkens work, but it did have a nice adventure novle feel to it, using some straight forwarded iconic figures to represent good and evil.

I think the detailed world building really came out with the opening scenes of Episode 5. The ice world and the walkers were pretty nice.

[Spriggan12]

I think people are having brain farts. George Lucas won the "People Choice" awards. Who are the people that voted? The people that voted are the fans and people online.

I voted for SW last year online at the EW web site. I didnt know it was for this Award though. But I'm glad I voted.

U people are upset because he won,u missed the crucial point. That for once the critics, and etc didnt vote. The people online, fan club and etc voted.

It was done democratically.

so why complain when you could have voted as well.

Give a man his props for completing his dream. SW did great at the box office, had it bombed
people would have been crying more foul plays. but it didnt. so there.

[Neil]

"if u post it, they will come" :wip:

because Star Wars gets brought up for every reason possible.

Example:
"New C3P0 coffee mug is now being released with R2D2 coaster. Limited super-special edition! Never ever will get released again. Come on guys, this r0xxxx! Don't miss out."

[Capel]

Star Wars was made in the 70's. This was about the original movie, not the more recent film attempts.

hence why i said, "...this time around..."

Did you mean Ep4, "A New Hope"? .

No, he meant episode III. the final battle on the lava planet? ok, now i'm really confused. are we talking about the same movie here?

Give a man his props for completing his dream.

a dream to let down a large amount of his 30-year-in-the-making fanbase? ....some dream.

[Spriggan12]

a dream to let down a large amount of his 30-year-in-the-making fanbase? ....some dream.

Oh dude grow. GL is not the Messiah. LOL

trips me out when 30-40 year old men blame GL for ruining there childhood. LOL thats freakin hillarious. We have presidents who do so much more and they get re elected.

[DorkmanScott]

The fact of the matter is, anyone with a basic grasp of screenwriting could have written a better movie than Revenge of the Sith (not to mention the other two) in a year or two of focused drafts with real feedback.

Lucas had 30 YEARS to develop and write ROTS. Sure, it was the best of the prequels, but that's not saying much.

I don't think it deserved to win any award at all in terms of storytelling or filmmaking, but I voted for Batman Begins anyway.

[Capel]

Oh dude grow. GL is not the Messiah. LOL

my point exactly.



trips me out when 30-40 year old men blame GL for ruining there childhood.



1. I'm 25.

2. I never even saw episodes IV - VI all the way through til i was about 14.

not sure where you got the whole "ruining their childhood" thing from. doesn't make a whole lot of sense. if anything, GL made a lot of people's childhoods a lot more memorable. which just makes the new trilogy that much more of a tragedy.

[Spriggan12]

if anything, GL made a lot of people's childhoods a lot more memorable. which just makes the new trilogy that much more of a tragedy.

Tradegy to who my dear friend? those who have seen SW first this new generation of movie goers enjoy the new movies better than the old one's. Its all in the eye of the beholder. Those who have seen the old for the first after watching the new 3 movies say the old versions even though enhanced seem so out dated. So once again I'm right, these movies occupy 30 years of cinema history. 3 decades of different people watching them. I love em all and understand them for what there true worth is. ONE COMPLETE STORY. And your movie or story comes out when?

KL

[Capel]

those who have seen SW first this new generation of movie goers enjoy the new movies better than the old one's.

way to speak for the current population of the entire planet.



Its all in the eye of the beholder...

this goes for negative opinions as well as positive, my friend.


So once again I'm right, these movies occupy 30 years of cinema history. 3 decades of different people watching them.

that doesn't magically give the films a story with no holes and characters anyone should give a sh*t about. they're missing key elements that make a movie work, regardless of how long the franchise has been around.

And your movie or story comes out when?

i could ask the same thing of you, but i'd like at least some of my posts to be taken seriously, so i won't.
I love em all and understand them for what there true worth is. ONE COMPLETE STORY. I can see we're just going in circles here, so i'm just gonna stop responding to you.

[noisewar]

Hate to do this to this thread, but this guy's got a point:

People's Choice is pure idiocy (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=280650)







:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Spriggan12]

I can see we're just going in circles here, so i'm just gonna stop responding to you.

-Thats the most intelligent thing you've said all day. In ref to SW I quote OB1

"who's the more fool, the fool or the one who follows it?"

Enjoy

[DorkmanScott]

So once again I'm right, these movies occupy 30 years of cinema history. 3 decades of different people watching them.
Actually, that's not right at all.

The ORIGINAL FILMS occupy 30 years of cinema history.

The Prequels occupy less than 10. And ROTS, the film under discussion in this thread, occupies less than 1. So really you've proved the point that the ORIGINALS are strong and worthy stories. So far the success of the prequels seems to be reliant almost entirely on the strength of the originals.

I love em all and understand them for what there true worth is. ONE COMPLETE STORY.With Lucas admitting that 80% of episodes 1 and 2 are "filler," I find it hard to take seriously the idea that it's a well-thought-out, "complete" story.

The numbers are all there, but that doesn't mean the story is.

And your movie or story comes out when?How about yours? If that's the only way you're allowed to have an opinion, you're on the spot to produce something as much as any of us are.

[strangelife]

EP3 was no Empire Strikes Back, but I did enjoy the movie ok. I know SW isn't known for superior acting, but watching the guy that played Anakin (Hayden something...don't remember) act was particularly grating. And since when can R2-D2 fly? And why didn't we see Padme in a metal bikini?

The SFX were fantastic and at times gave me that feeling of wonder I felt when I saw Star Wars the first time. I think George pieces action together pretty well...except for the lava-surfing. That was kinda lame.

I'm not surprised the "people" voted the way they did. Lots of fans, no doubt. And a "thank you" as a realization that that's probably/maybe the end of SW on the big screen. The movie alone isn't enough to convince me, but nostalgia justifies things a bit more.

[strangelife]

Hate to do this to this thread, but this guy's got a point:

People's Choice is pure idiocy (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=280650)


lol. Star Wars won best "Drama". That is telling. That is sad. That is hilarious.

[Capel]

but watching the guy that played Anakin (Hayden something...don't remember) act was particularly grating.

Hayden Christensen. And watch Life As a House and Shattered Glass before you judge his acting ability. You can chalk his crappy acting up to the director and the script. i mean come on, if you can't make Liam Neeson and Natalie Portman look good on screen then there's something wrong.

[JDex]

BEST DRAMA??? The "American public" chose Star Wars freakin' 3 as best drama??? Oh, people. You must stop. Why make the U.S. even more of a global laughing stock? "Brokeback Mountain" is a drama. "Good Night, and Good Luck." is a drama! "Munich," "A History of Violence," "Crash," "Walk the Line," and alllll of THESE MOVIES are dramas. Sorry, but I figure a working knowledge of genre classifications is a minimum requirement if you're going to vote on any sort of movie poll ... even one this painfully silly. Next year they'll give "BloodRayne" best musical.

Exactly...

[Spriggan12]

No Dorkman Scott I'm not wrong about SW. SW as a whole has been a 30 year journey. its been kept alive by movies, books, games, and spin off tv shows and what not. "You Must Unlearn what you have learned." U guys only think of the movies, but SW has been an American icon living near 30 years. 2007 will mark its 30 year apex, and there will be more trust me. The prequals are just as important as the original series simply because when GL wanted to make the prequals first, the Hollywood of 1977 laughed at the idea. So he made the conclusion part of story First,( part 4,5, and 6) After making them successfull and building up his own film company and S/FX house he then allowed technology to catch up to his original version and hence made and completed Episode 1,2,and 3. Part 4-5 is really the end as we both know. Can u imagine trying to make Corruscant the city using 1977 technology? Imagine what Grievous would have looked like in 1977, or the darth battle with Ob1 and QuiGon. Get real. Its 30 years total history dude.

Some like the new, some like the old. Some hate the new, and love the old. Some like me like both. Some hate both and could care less. But when polled those who saw the new episodes 1-3 first, then went on to see Episode 4-6 say 1-3 is better. Those who gew up seeing 4-6 first say the new one's suck. That would be the catagory I place you in.

Me i love them all, the books, the games, the cartoons, the comics and of course all 6 movies. All SW movies occupy the the top 20-25 greatest movies of all time in regards to Box office Success.

And u said I was wrong where?

[DorkmanScott]

The prequals are just as important as the original series simply because when GL wanted to make the prequals first, the Hollywood of 1977 laughed at the idea.Dude, where did you get your info?

He decided on his own that the middle of the story was the most interesting and so he made that movie. He initially had no intention or expectation of telling anything beyond that, so he told the part of the story that was most interesting. The Hollywood of 1977 laughed at what became Star Wars, aka "A New Hope" (which was only re-named and given a number when Empire Strikes Back went into production and the original was re-released promotionally).

So he made the conclusion part of story First,( part 4,5, and 6) After making them successfull and building up his own film company and S/FX house he then allowed technology to catch up to his original version and hence made and completed Episode 1,2,and 3. Part 4-5 is really the end as we both know. Can u imagine trying to make Corruscant the city using 1977 technology?No, and neither could Lucas. Coruscant was created by Timothy Zahn in his trilogy of books in the early 90s, not Lucas in the 70s.

Imagine what Grievous would have looked like in 1977, or the darth battle with Ob1 and QuiGon.Again, neither Grevious nor Qui-Gon existed in the 1977 story drafts.

Get real. Its 30 years total history dude.Total, yes. But just because the ORIGINALS have been popular for 30 years does not automatically make the new ones any good.

Some like the new, some like the old. Some hate the new, and love the old. Some like me like both. Some hate both and could care less. But when polled those who saw the new episodes 1-3 first, then went on to see Episode 4-6 say 1-3 is better. Those who gew up seeing 4-6 first say the new one's suck. That would be the catagory I place you in.And you would be wrong once again.

The prequels, Phantom Menace at least, were the first experience I had with Star Wars. As a writer looking at them objectively, there's no comparison. The originals were powerful storytelling with mature themes and mythic structure. The prequels were just marking time until the last half hour of ROTS, and making millions off the Star Wars name.

And u said I was wrong where?1) Where you state that Lucas had the scripts and ideas for the prequels completely mapped out, and only abandoned them due to technological constraints (again, he stated in interviews that the scripts for TPM and AOTC were 80% filler, with the bulk of his original story supposedly in ROTS).
2) Where you claim that ROTS specifically has been popular for 30 years (the ORIGINALS have been popular and kept love for the series alive all this time, the new ones are coming into a cushy legacy).
3) Where you say that I saw 4-6 first and thus am biased towards them as the better films (other way around).

[Spriggan12]

Yawn, this guy actually think he's knows more about SW than me.

Dude, man, brother, padawan, listen carefully. Watch the SW Episode 4-6 DVD's and see what GL reveals about the true story of Star Wars. The origianl story was to deal with two jedi twins and there fallen from grace Father named Darth. The original name was Luke Starkiller. George knew that if the back story became successfull he could finance the story of Anakin himself.

But hollywood didnt want to see a story about a slave kid growing up becoming the true icon of Evil. So he started the story midway but had every intention of making the complete story. The original idea was 9 movies, then 6.

There was always going to be a part 1-3, especially after the revamping and success of the 1st three and the cgi advancement of Jurrasic Park.

SW(including the latest three) have become the biggest movie franchise in cinema history. SW as a whole has also become the biggest Toy merchandis success is Toy History.

U may hate the latest stories. But numbers dont lie. There is no other movie franchise even close to the success of SW. Like I said Revenge of the Sith was the biggest movie of 2005. Phantom Menance the biggest the year it came out. "Attack of the Clones" took a hit to Spider Man, but still bought in the bucks. Fans alone couldn't do that.


If Phantom Menace was so sh--ty, then why did people flock to AOTC? If AOTC was so sh&^%ty then why did "Revenge of the Sith" out sell it? Comprende ? Esse'

"I find your lack of faith disturbing"


KL

[strangelife]

Hayden Christensen. And watch Life As a House and Shattered Glass before you judge his acting ability. You can chalk his crappy acting up to the director and the script. i mean come on, if you can't make Liam Neeson and Natalie Portman look good on screen then there's something wrong.

Saw Life As A House a while back. An ok movie, but I still didn't like Hayden in it. He doesn't emote enough to make me believe him. Call me a Hayden-Hater, but unless Shattered Glass proves me wrong, I'm stayin' a Hayden-Hater. Though, he did ok in the ol' Jedi fight sequences though...that's it. I'm calling JC Van Damme.

[DorkmanScott]

Dude, man, brother, padawan, listen carefully. Watch the SW Episode 4-6 DVD's and see what GL reveals about the true story of Star Wars. The origianl story was to deal with two jedi twins and there fallen from grace Father named Darth. The original name was Luke Starkiller. George knew that if the back story became successfull he could finance the story of Anakin himself.First of all, if you knew anything about the history of Star Wars, you'd know that GL has changed his story about it REPEATEDLY.

But hollywood didnt want to see a story about a slave kid growing up becoming the true icon of Evil.Hollywood didn't want to see a sci-fi, period, at the time. That's the problem he faced. And that's straight off "Empire of Dreams," pal.

U may hate the latest stories. But numbers dont lie. There is no other movie franchise even close to the success of SW. Like I said Revenge of the Sith was the biggest movie of 2005. Phantom Menance the biggest the year it came out. "Attack of the Clones" took a hit to Spider Man, but still bought in the bucks. Fans alone couldn't do that.Like hell they couldn't. Like you said, it's a cultural phenomenon.

If Phantom Menace was so sh--ty, then why did people flock to AOTC? If AOTC was so sh&^%ty then why did "Revenge of the Sith" out sell it? Comprende ? Esse'Dude, George Lucas could have taken a dump on a towel, filmed it rotting in the sun for two hours, called it Episode III, and it would have made close to a billion dollars SOLELY based off of the name "Star Wars."

What's funny is that you're making the exact same argument, you just don't realize it. It's the Star Wars legacy that's making money, not the quality of the new films.

EDIT: Also, I should mention that I'm not some random person with a passing acquaintanceship with Star Wars. I'm a moderator on the message boards over at TheForce.net. I work in fan films and have done my homework on every aspect of the SW story OT, PT, EU, the whole shebang. I've also studied Joseph Campbell, Christopher Vogler, Greek mythology, and Robert McKee. I've done freelance script consulting on several indie films and am actually just about to start doing it with greater frequency, and probably on bigger films.

When I say the PT was not up to the quality of what came before, I'm not just saying it to say it. I'm not some burned fan with dreams that couldn't be lived up to. I had no expectations for the prequels. They just weren't good writing. If they didn't have the name "Star Wars" on it, fewer people would be so desperate to defend them.

Just one pass with a script consultant and Lucas could have retained everything you loved about the prequels, AND pleased the rest of the fans. Alas, it was not to be, as Lucas forgot that only because of the obstacles were the originals refined into gold.

[Spriggan12]

DorkMan


When they ask GL during interviews if he's satisfied with the last three Star Wars, do you know what his reply is?

His reply he "yes he's satisfied, he got to make the movie, and tell the story he always wanted to tell." You and me can come along for the ride if we want to. And trust me more people are glad they came along for the ride minus a few people like you.


I'm a writer. I know. A writer doesnt write a story based on what u like to see or hear. A writer writes a story because they "have a story to tell."

Its that cut and dry.

Every time someone in CGTalk posts a Star Wars related news event. Here come the GL flame throwers crying about how the new movies were a big dissappointment. I'm like the judge in the court room, "your objection is noted" now can we move on.


It never fails here. Someone posts that GL opened up a new ILM in SF, and here the haters come. its almost like a dog whistle is blown that only a few of you can hear.

a man who has a vision in his head and makes its real is above all the complaints you guys can lay down. Like I said he told a story he's satisfied with. He told the story of father, son and daughter. A space Greek mythology. Peter jackson labels him one of the best story tellers ever to complete a story from start to finish.

If u dont like how it ended or say it lacked what the originals had. Then get busy making your dream real, and let us see what it ends up like.

-Keith

[MasterZap]

Dude, man, brother, padawan, listen carefully. Watch the SW Episode 4-6 DVD's and see what GL reveals about the true story of Star Wars. The origianl story was to deal with two jedi twins and there fallen from grace Father named Darth. The original name was Luke Starkiller. George knew that if the back story became successfull he could finance the story of Anakin himself.

Please.

George changes his story constantly, but can never admit to changing his story constantly, always retrofitting it claiming "oh it was always like that". For us that was actually around back then, it is quite clear that it wasn't at all always like that.

I mean seriously. Any idiot can realize that neither the "darth vader is your father" and especially not "leia is your sister" was actually planned back in 1977 when SW premiered. Think anything else, and you are in denial and delusion. Enjoy your fantasy, but yer wrooooong.

Yes of course he vehemently claims post hoc that it "was always so" but turn on your clue-O-meter and THINK.

/Z

[DorkmanScott]

When they ask GL during interviews if he's satisfied with the last three Star Wars, do you know what his reply is?

His reply he "yes he's satisfied, he got to make the movie, and tell the story he always wanted to tell."What's he going to say? "Well, I really had no idea what I was doing, but I fumbled along through it and everyone ate it up." Even if that was the truth, he's not going to SAY that.

He wasn't particularly satisfied with the original film, but it's what started the whole craze. Clearly his satisfaction isn't the only thing involved.

I'm a writer. I know. A writer doesnt write a story based on what u like to see or hear. A writer writes a story because they "have a story to tell."

Its that cut and dry."Dried." You're a writer, "u" should know these things.

And they write because they have a story to tell TO AN AUDIENCE. Otherwise they'd put it in a drawer.

It never fails here. Someone posts that GL opened up a new ILM in SF, and here the haters come. its almost like a dog whistle is blown that only a few of you can hear.I got no problem with ILM. :surprised

a man who has a vision in his head and makes its real is above all the complaints you guys can lay down.Then why do you feel the need to defend him so vehemently?

Like I said he told a story he's satisfied with. He told the story of father, son and daughter. A space Greek mythology. Peter jackson labels him one of the best story tellers ever to complete a story from start to finish.I wonder what the EXACT quote was.

If u dont like how it ended or say it lacked what the originals had. Then get busy making your dream real, and let us see what it ends up like.I am, and you will. In the meantime, I have as much right to express my opinion on the Star Wars films as you do.

[MasterZap]

He wasn't particularly satisfied with the original film, but it's what started the whole craze. Clearly his satisfaction isn't the only thing involved.

You could say you should be wary of GL being satisfied.

Look at the extras disk to the Original Trilogy box set. Look at the cut scenes. Look at the crud that almost made it into the film! Look at the "unathorized star wars" documentary, showing that, clearly, the film was made in editiing by the editors simply salvaging the viewable bit out of the tubs of lard.

The problem is, we have in our inner eye what actually ended up on screen. George has in his inner eye the tub of lard from which we saw the gems, thinking we liked the lard.

/Z

[thethule]

So once again I'm right....



Hey Spriggan12, i'm willing to bet money that you are also known as Ezekiel19. Go on, be honest now....


:scream:


Marc

[Emmanuel]

What are you talking about ?

Star Wars was made in the 70's. This was about the original movie, not the more recent film attempts.

Did you mean Ep4, "A New Hope"? I remember reading the book before the first movie came out. It seemed a little more detailed than "make something with lava...". I'm not comparing it to Tolkens work, but it did have a nice adventure novle feel to it, using some straight forwarded iconic figures to represent good and evil.

I think the detailed world building really came out with the opening scenes of Episode 5. The ice world and the walkers were pretty nice.

Slaughter, the article is all about Ep3, not the "original SW", don't know where You got that from.
I wouldn't argue that for that period, both story and presentation of the original three SW films was revolutionary.Heck, I still remember how fascinated I was when I first saw those AT-ATs coming through the haze.
But George L. got the award now for Ep3, and as much as the die hard fans would like to believe, I don't believe that GL's story for the prequels is half as interesting or well presented as it could have been, and he actually DOES leave the art department in one scene with the wish they should come up with a variety of alien planets on their own, including "something with lava".
Plus, for Grievious' genesis, he said something like "it should not look like another Darth Vader", thats it.
The IRONY is, Grievious IS just another Vader, because in a book I read that Grievious was an alien guy who crashed with his ship and the remeining body was put into this robotic exoskeleton so it could survive.Figure that out :/
Hardly a "vision" for which one should be awarded.
I guess it was more than deserved that LOTR also won an award for best screenplay-from-a-book, even if You say that the LOTR guys already had a story they didn't invent, they still did a miracle with turning it into a movie, compared to the the crap, boring pseudo-love-and-war-story of Lucas.

[@ce]

"Plus, for Grievious' genesis, he said something like "it should not look like another Darth Vader", thats it.
The IRONY is, Grievious IS just another Vader, because in a book I read that Grievious was an alien guy who crashed with his ship and the remeining body was put into this robotic exoskeleton so it could survive.Figure that out :/"


He isn't just another Vader, but as the commentairy on the episode 3 dvd pointed out..it definatly was a nudge about the beginning and end.

[MattClary]

I was completely shocked when I heard this news. I don't know what people voted on it, but they need their head examined.


Someone probably wrote a script that submitted the votes via the web...

[Capel]

Some hate both and could care less. But when polled those who saw the new episodes 1-3 first, then went on to see Episode 4-6 say 1-3 is better.


i like that. "when polled". so did you run this "poll" or is it online somewhere. sounds a little dubious to me.

and dude, you really need to get it through your head that the AMOUNT OF MONEY THE PREQUELS HAVE MADE SAYS NOTHING FOR THE QUALITY OF MOVIES THEY ARE. this goes for ANY movie, not just SW.

[JeroenDStout]

Oh ye gods, a Star Wars bashing-the-bashers thread.

You know, I'm beyond a certain point where I just shrug when people talk about the 'epic' story in Final Fantasy, the 'endless universe' of Star Wars and Mario fill-in-game. I know I like a certain style in films and I know what I like. I often don't know why I like things, but I know when I do.
And I don't like the new Star Wars films. At all. A lot of people sure like them, but a lot of people aparently like Oprah. And I don't mind, really, and I don't mind people talking about them.

Yet I don't think Star Wars is 'epic' any more at all. With all the planets added it went from Space Opera to 'big load of colourful nonsense' very quick. Lord this, Darth that.. it's all more of a story that could be thought of in a drunken mood rather as something decent. So, you can like the whole cinematics, you can like the fights.. you can.. well, like whatever it is you can like about that film, but it's just not a developped story, not by my standards. In my eyes Darth Vader was awesome in every way, he was the perfect villain. Now we realise he is a kid who didn't get his toy. That's wonderfully "oh we totally discovered how Darth Vader became Darth Vader". And for me that sucks, I don't care, he's awesome, not some angsty teenager. It's like the whole Matrix thing - the first had a great story, then they started to explain 'what goes on in the Matrix' and just make fun of themselves. "And now the story is complete" has a certain egde to it which turns it into 'completely ruined'.

As for the award - a lot of people liked it. I find their taste awfully limited, sure, but they liked it and it's a people award. People are not like 'makers' or 'critics', so from that perspective it's a load of junk.

:)

[MattClary]

But when polled those who saw the new episodes 1-3 first, then went on to see Episode 4-6 say 1-3 is better.

Somehow, I actually believe this. D*mn kids today! Show them some flashy CG and they think they have seen a good movie!

[JWRodegher]

Not only the flashy CG, put some lame guy screaming an embarrasing "noooo" and boom, it´s the best ´drama´movie now.

I think the parrots just nailed it...

I don´t see what the problem is by the way, it probably got all the votes from guys dreesing some vader costume by the time they were reading the poll. You know what I mean.

Personally, SW lost all my respects when I saw the EP1. Man, what a waste. He probably got like a hundred kids drawing creatures and he put them all in the movie. I mean c´mon, I like the whole "unlimited worlds" and all, but every time a new creature came up, I though ´ok, now this one gotta be kiddin´.

And for those who loved the visual effects so much, man, there´s no way you didn´t notice the green screens on EP2, which are in the whole movie.

And by the way, if you make a thread about anything in a forum you should be open to read any kind of opinions. You can label anyone who didn´t like them "the haters", sorry pal, you gonna have to deal with people who actually don´t like this masterpiece as I couldn´t expect any SW ´lovers´ to come up if I make a "SW suck" thread.

[DorkmanScott]

What I'd like to know is where all this "Where can we see YOUR film" and "He made the movie he wanted to and you should be damn grateful he let you see it" talk is when a thread goes up about, say, Uwe Boll.

[dbates]

What I'd like to know is where all this "Where can we see YOUR film" and "He made the movie he wanted to and you should be damn grateful he let you see it" talk is when a thread goes up about, say, Uwe Boll.


Probably because everyone here loves to hate Uwe Boll. . . :D

[Spriggan12]

Somehow, I actually believe this. D*mn kids today! Show them some flashy CG and they think they have seen a good movie! same words where uttered back in the 70's and 80's when SW came out. Accept they added other words like "Hippie Generation", "what do dope heads know about making or watching a good movie." Soon after SW would become the biggest movie ever of its time and for time till "Titanic and ET."

Can't blaim fans for voting for a movie and winning the vote.

the people have spoken we live w/Bush, the fans have spoken we live SW being the movie winner @ The Peoples(Fans) choice awards.

in the mean time, get a pen and a pad, a keyboard and monitor and brain storm your idea to where 5-30 yrs later we're discussing your creative short comings on a Message Board.

LOL

[DorkmanScott]

the people have spoken we live w/Bush, the fans have spoken we live SW being the movie winner @ The Peoples(Fans) choice awards.

The clear lesson here: democracy doesn't work.

I'm just glad the Oscars new better than to consider it for anything besides a few technical awards. If it had even been considered for director, screenplay, or (God forbid) picture, I would have had to relinquish what little faith I have in the Academy.

[Spriggan12]

Oh so we're putting our faith in the Oscars now. LOL

The Oscars, i forgot what mel Gibson describe the Oscars as being now. But it wasn't good.

We dont practice Democracy in America, LOL we just preserve it.

--- dont put your trust in Oscar though, that bald head man may favor "Broke Back Mountain" as movie of the year oppose to "Crash." God forbid.

[Capel]

in the mean time, get a pen and a pad, a keyboard and monitor and brain storm your idea to where 5-30 yrs later we're discussing your creative short comings on a Message Board.


dude, enough already with the "let's see you do better" mentality. it's ridiculous.

besides, i've taken craps that were WAY more interesting than Episodes I - III combined! :)

--- dont put your trust in Oscar though, that bald head man may favor "Broke Back Mountain" as movie of the year oppose to "Crash." God forbid.

both brilliant movies. either one deserves to win.... but that's a whole other topic. but as ridiculous as the Oscars may be, if they nominated Episode III for anything other than a technical award, they'd sink to a new low... but let's be honest, they're not THAT stupid.

[DorkmanScott]

dude, enough already with the "let's see you do better" mentality. it's ridiculous.

Also, NO ONE IS ARGUING that the ORIGINAL Star Wars was not brilliant and deserving of its 30 years of popularity. You're defending a point that no one is challenging.

That fact is exactly what makes ROTS, and really all of the PT, such a waste of potential.

You essentially keep saying "If the prequels were so bad, then how come the originals have been popular for 30 years?" That just doesn't make any sense.

besides, i've taken craps that were WAY more interesting than Episodes I - III combined! :)

Ditto. More emotionally involving, too.

[JeroenDStout]

I once saw some homeless guy take a crap in a corner.. now, man, that just beated the whole Obi vs. Ani scene.




I. Could. Not. Resist. :D

[Spriggan12]

broke back mt for Oscar? wow that statement reveals alot.

I cant believe u catz are really peeved at SW winner a "People's Choice Award" now that really says a lot. I give several of you haterz one thing, you never cease to amaze me.

No matter what thread comes about Star Wars or GL or ILM, you guys appear like the army of Mordor. At least your consistant. I give you that much.

"Mention SW or GL and they will appear" (whispering)

KL

[JWRodegher]

May I know, what was the reason to make a thread about the `people choice award´ in the first place?

I have a point here, but if I´m mistaken about your reasons to post this, then it never mind.

[JDex]

broke back mt for Oscar? wow that statement reveals alot.

I cant believe u catz are really peeved at SW winner a "People's Choice Award" now that really says a lot. I give several of you haterz one thing, you never cease to amaze me.

No matter what thread comes about Star Wars or GL or ILM, you guys appear like the army of Mordor. At least your consistant. I give you that much.

"Mention SW or GL and they will appear" (whispering)

KL


Have you seen Brokeback Mountain? I haven't, and regardless of "homosexual" themes within, for you to judge it's merits as a film, Spriggan, says alot more. You clearly judge films based upon:

The statements you read in forums and from pay-for-play film critics.
Your own wild-eyed facination with shiny objects and motion blur.

Definitely not on their story, dialogue, plot, cohesion or anything other than eye candy and "wow factor"...

Don't worry, Uwe is making plenty of films for you.

[Stahlberg]

A character comparison that pretty much sums up how I feel about the prequels.
From the original, we have these two:

http://www.androidblues.com/hansolo10.jpghttp://www.androidblues.com/starwars_carriefisher_3.jpg

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To follow this act, we get:
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http://www.androidblues.com/jarjar_m.jpghttp://www.androidblues.com/watto.jpg



:D

[DorkmanScott]

broke back mt for Oscar? wow that statement reveals alot.

Such as what? The ability to appreciate good filmmaking? Or maybe a love story with believable dialogue?

And before anyone does something ignorant like accuse me of being gay since I'm defending Brokeback, I am, so save your breath and don't get the thread locked. But that's really neither here nor there as it pertains to this thread. There's a lot of stuff further in the running for best picture of 2005 ahead of SW.

ROTS was still better than Alone in the Dark. I'll give you that much. It wasn't the WORST movie of the year by far. It was just that it was mediocre when it could easily have been brilliant.

I cant believe u catz are really peeved at SW winner a "People's Choice Award" now that really says a lot.

I can't believe you posted this as "CG News." But since you did, here we are discussing the tendency of the people to choose without much discretion.

What says a lot is your apparent need to defend a film that is supposedly above reproach.

No matter what thread comes about Star Wars or GL or ILM, you guys appear like the army of Mordor.

Also inevitably, comparisons to LOTR start coming up. Interestingly though, it's been you both times in this thread.

[Emmanuel]

Such as what? The ability to appreciate good filmmaking? Or maybe a love story with believable dialogue?

And before anyone does something ignorant like accuse me of being gay since I'm defending Brokeback, I am, so save your breath and don't get the thread locked. But that's really neither here nor there as it pertains to this thread. There's a lot of stuff further in the running for best picture of 2005 ahead of SW.

ROTS was still better than Alone in the Dark. I'll give you that much. It wasn't the WORST movie of the year by far. It was just that it was mediocre when it could easily have been brilliant.

Also inevitably, comparisons to LOTR start coming up. Interestingly though, it's been you both times in this thread.

Well, I guess I have been mentioning LOTR, too ;)
Easily, War of the worlds was the biggest pile of crap to be presented on a movie screen 2005, no doubt about it (if I don't consider AOTD which was in germany not in theaters, IIRC).

[Spriggan12]

Star Wars winning "PCW's" is CG related news. Its creator GL, owner and creator of ILM, LucasArts, LucasFilms, and so on perhaps one lone gun man for such a name like CGI being known.


I says its very CG related, from a "certain point of view" of course.

LOL

[JeroenDStout]

Easily, War of the worlds was the biggest pile of crap to be presented on a movie screen 2005, no doubt about it (if I don't consider AOTD which was in germany not in theaters, IIRC).
Actually, when cutting off the terrible, terrible ending, WotW was a very good movie in my eyes.. though I only have heard three kinds of views on it; seems that you either like it, do not like it or think nothing about it. Seems to be 'one of those' films.

[DorkmanScott]

Actually, when cutting off the terrible, terrible ending, WotW was a very good movie in my eyes.. though I only have heard three kinds of views on it; seems that you either like it, do not like it or think nothing about it. Seems to be 'one of those' films.I thought WotW was great, BECAUSE of the ending. Aside from the son somehow surviving a localized nuclear holocaust, of course. But I appreciated Spielberg keeping the book's ending instead of turning it into some kind of Hollywood action-packed ending.

[Emmanuel]

Yeah, especially considering the rest of that thing was Hollywood action-packed ;)

[JeroenDStout]

I thought WotW was great, BECAUSE of the ending. Aside from the son somehow surviving a localized nuclear holocaust, of course. But I appreciated Spielberg keeping the book's ending instead of turning it into some kind of Hollywood action-packed ending.
Sorry, should've been more clear - the sickness ending was probably the only proper way to end it. Boston should've been grounded and his family should not have been in a state of 'standing in doorstep looking happy'-type of aliveness. That ruined the whole 'end of the world', especially the son.

No, sickness killing the invaders is like Kong falling in love with a human female. It's technically not very right and if you forget that it's absolutely great.

[xino]

I think everyone just needs to hug.

And to keep topics that have nothing to do with Mr. Lucas winning an award out of this thread and in the proper ones.

[Capel]

broke back mt for Oscar? wow that statement reveals alot.

and what exactly do you think that statement reveals?

[MattClary]

I'm just glad the Oscars new better than to consider it for anything besides a few technical awards. If it had even been considered for director, screenplay, or (God forbid) picture, I would have had to relinquish what little faith I have in the Academy.

There was no chance. No one in the movie was gay or mentally handicapped and none of the stars were really beautiful so they had to wear makeup to make themselves really ugly. Any of the above will increase your odds of an Oscar or Academy Award.

[Spriggan12]

One should not even begin to think that just because a movie is over looked by the Oscars that, thats tetsimony that a movie is not good. A movie is good not by the number of statues it gets. Critics have gotten that wrong everytime.


The oscars may get it right once every 5-10 years, but there way off in rewarding the right movies. a true director doesnt make movies to win Oscars, a good director makes movies because its there inner love.

GL has gotten achievement awards from all his peers in the game to where getting a Oscar now is pointless. SW is desserving of the technical nominations because lets face it, there one of the best in game at making special affects, digital sound, digital art and etc. A ROTS did have some kick butt graphics and sound. Just watching the "making off" and you'll be force to agree with me there.

So those nominations are justified.

U worry about SW being nominated for movie of the year and etc. Thats a fruitless and pointless worry, after all ESB by some was considered the best of series and was ignored by your beloved Oscar.

GL needs no reward from the Oscars to know he made his dream real and forever an icon in World cinema.

Movies Oscar will miss this year in rewarding: 2 come to mind. 1) Jarhead 2.) Crash


KL

[the_real_cabal]

He deserves it, for the first trilogy. The third part of the new trilogy is the best one in a technical view, but it lacks the original feeling that made star wars to this well known sf/fantasy movie mixture we all know and appreciate.

[OneSharpMarble]

The first three SW's were good because they were intended for children and hit that level well. The last three are terrible because they tried to please both the old fans who are now adults and also interest new children and they failed miserably on both levels.

I could watch the old ones several times and be entertained but I can barely drudge through 15mins of the new ones. I think it is sad that George has ruined an otherwie great saga but I am sure another will come along.

[MattClary]

The first three SW's were good because they were intended for children and hit that level well. The last three are terrible because they tried to please both the old fans who are now adults and also interest new children and they failed miserably on both levels.

I could watch the old ones several times and be entertained but I can barely drudge through 15mins of the new ones. I think it is sad that George has ruined an otherwie great saga but I am sure another will come along.

I think you have it reversed. Jar-Jar Binks and Ewoks are a result of Lucas aiming for the kiddies. I won't say the last three are terrible, just very disappointing. I feel like there was this really great story to be told, and he failed to make it live up to what it should have been.

[Terrell]

LOL! You guys are really broken up by this, aren't you!

[Spriggan12]

Yeah there really fed up..............about GL winning something, LOL

[OneSharpMarble]

I think you have it reversed. Jar-Jar Binks and Ewoks are a result of Lucas aiming for the kiddies. I won't say the last three are terrible, just very disappointing. I feel like there was this really great story to be told, and he failed to make it live up to what it should have been.

Ok the first of the new three is for kids but the last certainly isnt, I don't think the idea of slaughtering children and have your arms and legs graphically cut off and your limbless body set on fire is for kids. (Although I have been wrong before)

[Capel]

Yeah there really fed up..............about GL winning something, LOL

no, i'm more worried about the people that voted ROTS as best drama.... i just don't feel safe living in this world anymore.... :)

[Spriggan12]

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Sw fans voted and out bid the Batman fans, and the other summer movies. Probably the biggest fan base online is the Star Wars fan base. i.e PeoplesChoice "the fans choice."
blame EW for not making the catagory broader.

But the movie did have drama.

1. Chosen One kills younglins
2. Chosen one saves the republic yet gets treated lite step child on jedi Council
3. Chosen One helps kill man with Purple Lightsaber
4. Chosen in pregnates wife(forbbiden codes of the Jedi squandered)
5. Jedi Purge Begins.
6. Chosen One fights best friend, his over confidence ends up being his weakness. Chosen One looses fight. Best friend has to hide his off spring from Chosens one's new master and eventually him.

Perfect drama to me

^5

[Capel]

But the movie did have drama.

1. Chosen One kills younglins
2. Chosen one saves the republic yet gets treated lite step child on jedi Council
3. Chosen One helps kill man with Purple Lightsaber
4. Chosen in pregnates wife(forbbiden codes of the Jedi squandered)
5. Jedi Purge Begins.
6. Chosen One fights best friend, his over confidence ends up being his weakness. Chosen One looses fight. Best friend has to hide his off spring from Chosens one's new master and eventually him.

Perfect drama to me

^5

and somehow GL managed to make us not care about a single second of it.... now THAT'S talent.

3. A situation or succession of events in real life having the dramatic progression or emotional effect characteristic of a play: the drama of the prisoner's escape and recapture.

i've hilighted the parts George, (you seem to know him as GOD) "accidentally" left out.

[Spriggan12]

Depends who you ask and who u saw it with. People around me, children too where in fact in tears when Anakin gut burned up, when Mace died, and when the younglins seemed helples.

So once again depends who u saw it with.

Keith

[NanoGator]

Depends who you ask and who u saw it with. People around me, children too where in fact in tears when Anakin gut burned up, when Mace died, and when the younglins seemed helples.

So once again depends who u saw it with.

Keith

The only emotional response I remember at the theater I was in was yawning.

[Terrell]

Honestly folks, who gives a damn. All of these awards are bullsh*t. The Oscars, the Golden Globes, the Baftas, the Guild Awards...........they're all BS. Why? Because there's no way you can quantify what film is the best, or what screenplay is best. Film quality is entirely subjective. There's nothing objective about the Oscars. It's all opinions, and we know the old saying about opinions.

So who cares if ROTS won the People's Choice. It seems to bother some that there are people who actually enjoyed the film, or that Lucas won something. That's sad for these folks. Move on and forget about. It's almost like people getting worked up over box office. None of us get any of that money, just like none of us get any credit for these awards. So forget it.

If folks get this riled up over this, you can only imagine what will happen if ROTS gets an Oscar nom for makeup, VFX, and sound.

[MattClary]

If folks get this riled up over this, you can only imagine what will happen if ROTS gets an Oscar nom for makeup, VFX, and sound.

No, see, most people agree on the merit of the technical side. Some people may diss the special effects, but for the most part, they were pretty good.

I don't think anyone is "bothered" by it, I would say just more "baffled".

[Capel]

I don't think anyone is "bothered" by it, I would say just more "baffled".


very well said. these are my thoughts exactly.... best VFX, sure. but best DRAMA?

[beelow]

very well said. these are my thoughts exactly.... best VFX, sure. but best DRAMA?

Damn dude, U still argueing ur point!:hmm: U want people to see it ur way, or something?:shrug: I would say just drop it mate, ur wasting precisious time commenting about something that means nothing, either u like it or u don't, If u don't why post, my thoughts man, take care!:D

[JeroenDStout]

But the movie did have drama.

1. Chosen One kills younglins
2. Chosen one saves the republic yet gets treated lite step child on jedi Council
3. Chosen One helps kill man with Purple Lightsaber
4. Chosen in pregnates wife(forbbiden codes of the Jedi squandered)
5. Jedi Purge Begins.
6. Chosen One fights best friend, his over confidence ends up being his weakness. Chosen One looses fight. Best friend has to hide his off spring from Chosens one's new master and eventually him.

Perfect drama to me

^5
There is a difference between 'drama' and 'mature storylines'. These 6 points you mentioned I didn't care about one second in the movie as they were plot devices rather as plot developments.
"Oooh, right, he isn't liked by the council, he has a love... ooh, we can only begin to phantom where this amazing storydevelopment leads to!"

And it isn't that I knew he'd get to be Darth Vader, it's that by doing it he made Darth Vader this giddly and silly kid who needs to get a hit in the head and a night without dinner. It's hard to tell drama when you know the story: nevertheless, I've seen The Return of the King plenty of times now and the Mount Doom ending sequence still makes me cry; "I can't carry it for you - but I can carry YOU!".

[Capel]

...ur wasting precisious time commenting about something that means nothing...

actually, i'm wasting time while waiting for playblasts... not much else to do. besides, i'm thoroughly enjoying myself. ;)

[DorkmanScott]

Damn dude, U still argueing ur point!:hmm: U want people to see it ur way, or something?:shrug: I would say just drop it mate, ur wasting precisious time commenting about something that means nothing, either u like it or u don't, If u don't why post, my thoughts man, take care!:DWhy post if you do? Why post at all, if you want to take that view of it?

[Neil]

they were plot devices rather as plot developments

i agree with that statement. I didn't feel like it was building toward anything, just figuring out a way to get to the ending we already expected.

[Spriggan12]

Not I said before, how can one anticipate something they already know. The pre-equals were generally made to give us helpfull insight in the Sith Lore, the fall out between Anakin and OB1 and the pre-text to the rise of the rebellion. They had ships that worked 24/7, and uniforms that there were stanking new, and space looked less dangerious.


In the Star Wars Universe(A New Hope Era) Ships didnt work, parts where swopped and space looked more dangerious in that the Empire was always lurking around. Such a note is what Peter jackson loved and sued when making his LOTR series.

The worlds GL created in the newer episodes add gravity to the places OB1 and others travelled while at a young age. An old Yoda sitting on Dagobah waiting 18 years plus for the chosen one to appear adds to depths to me. But maybe not to some. Either way its still one of the most successfull 6 part movies in cinema history. Certainly the most grossing.

Bet some of u dont even see QuiGon robe in OB1's hutt on "A New Hope" episode.

KL

[leigh]

A character comparison that pretty much sums up how I feel about the prequels.
From the original, we have these two:

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To follow this act, we get:
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:D

HAHAHAHAHA that's the best laugh I had all week :D :thumbsup:

[Capel]

Either way its still one of the most successfull 6 part movies in cinema history. Certainly the most grossing.

if you use that excuse one more time, i'm gonna gouge my eyes out with a lincoln log. ;)

[leigh]

Hey Spriggan12, i'm willing to bet money that you are also known as Ezekiel19. Go on, be honest now....


Yep, you're right. And a bunch of other usernames too :hmm:

[ndat]

That movie blew and you all know it... Great Graphics,good action but shitty acting and an even shittier story. Plus it was hardly a drama... what a waste that movie was... considering how good 4,5, and 6 were.

[JDex]

You're right. And not only that username, but a bunch of others which ended up being terminated after he got too abusive or downright offensive over Star Wars arguments.

Ah... George is a magical creature. Exceptional in many respects...
world builder
technological visionary
envelope pusher
industry changer
mega-franchise builder

He also reigns supreme in the power to create hordes of mindless people who will go to any length to prove his god-like prowess as the ultimate film-maker who ever has and will live.

Did you all see the generic jedi cloak in the old jedi's hovel in the movie filmed in 1976? That was actually the cloak of his master, who hadn't really been concieved... just an appropriate prop that is part of the entourage and aesthetic of the scene... but no, really that was the master of all that is Starwars doing a masterful job of fore-post-shadowing. That which has already happened, but has not been written, but will be written someday. GL pwns you all. Muhuhahahahah! Bow to him... bow down nerf-herder... bow down bantha-fodder...

[superhooman]

In the Star Wars Universe(A New Hope Era) Ships didnt work, parts where swopped and space looked more dangerious in that the Empire was always lurking around. Such a note is what Peter jackson loved and sued when making his LOTR series.

LOTR was set in space, had an evil Empire and had spaceships that didn't work? :eek:

[leigh]

Did you all see the generic jedi cloak in the old jedi's hovel in the movie filmed in 1976? That was actually the cloak of his master, who hadn't really been concieved... just an appropriate prop that is part of the entourage and aesthetic of the scene... but no, really that was the master of all that is Starwars doing a masterful job of fore-post-shadowing. That which has already happened, but has not been written, but will be written someday. GL pwns you all. Muhuhahahahah! Bow to him... bow down nerf-herder... bow down bantha-fodder...

LOL! Exactly what I was thinking :D I just spent the last 20 minutes reading through this entire thread, and while my brain is now a bit numb, it gave me a good laugh!

[JDex]

LOL! Exactly what I was thinking :D I just spent the last 20 minutes reading through this entire thread, and while my brain is now a bit numb, it gave me a good laugh!

:D Really though... I have a lot of respect for those who blindly worship even the mediocre side of exceptional people. With any luck, I'll have a legion of them someday too. LOL!

In fact, I wish a legion of them for everyone. Legions of fanboi, all around. :beer:

Where's Bonedaddy and a bukkake joke when you need him?

[xino]

This thread is bordering on reasons on why to lock threads. Where you agree or not with the award, people who have posted in this thread are starting to turn a little juvenile on both sides of the "argument". I'd rather much respect the people in this forum then see someone's name next to their avatar and think "my god I hope I never work with them."

Perhaps someone can end all the childishness here?

Whether you agree or disagree with the award, no one around here should make fun of others because of their opinions. It's sad that because someone likes/dislikes this movie they're being ridiculed. I'm actually starting to feel ashamed for readers and some posters who have been civil and can agree or disagree with all the childish remarks. Where are all the adults?

[leigh]

This thread is bordering on reasons on why to lock threads. Where you agree or not with the award, people who have posted in this thread are starting to turn a little juvenile on both sides of the "argument". I'd rather much respect the people in this forum then see someone's name next to their avatar and think "my god I hope I never work with them."

Perhaps someone can end all the childishness here?

Whether you agree or disagree with the award, no one around here should make fun of others because of their opinions. It's sad that because someone likes/dislikes this movie they're being ridiculed. I'm actually starting to feel ashamed for readers and some posters who have been civil and can agree or disagree with all the childish remarks. Where are all the adults?

I am keeping an eye on it, now that I've seen it... if it gets worse, it will be closed.

[xino]

I am keeping an eye on it, now that I've seen it... if it gets worse, it will be closed.

Thanks. I thought I was getting delusional about seeing those things.

I believe anyone can easily disagree without resorting to making fun of someone else's opinions or beliefs or the childish name-calling. For instance, Capel and I disagreed in our "discussion/argument" but we kept it civil.

I still think most of us here need a hug. It's only an award provided by a magazine based on internet votes. It surely won't change the world or make/break the industry.

[Digit]

edit: stupid comment deleted!

[beelow]

actually, i'm wasting time while waiting for playblasts... not much else to do. besides, i'm thoroughly enjoying myself. ;)

Just here to start some trouble, eh, much understandable, dude, hehe old playblast, I hear that, U can use that time doing some other stuff trying to improve your work or something, but I clearly understand that u are enjoying yourself, upsetting people and how fun is that!
Dude u are so evil, Mwahahahahahaha!:twisted: :twisted:

DorkmanScott- I don't get what ur asking dude, please clarify 4 me.:wise:

[RobertoOrtiz]

Ok people time to put down the pocket proctectors & the light sabers.

[Dirtystimpy]

I say close the thread

This is the first time time I've posted in probably 2 months because of exaclty what xino said.
Whenever there is a star wars thread...it gets to 5 pages long, people complaining about the same thing...

whenever there is a thread related to windows...the same people jump in, say their 2 cents and make you feel like you can't even speak about the subject....and I won't even bring up the next gen forums....

[Sephirothv7]

I believe I have a unique say in this based on the fact that I was one of the people that voted for SW's last year when EW put up all the movie catagories and allowed people to vote on there web site. SW's fan base is huge and a link was set up on theforce.net and other sw web site to go vote for your favorite summer movie. It was the "People choice" so about 14,000 + SW fans hit the voting scene and voted. *each one of us voting about 5 times. Our goal was to have him win and we were successfull. It was the last SW movie, a fitting end to 30 year journey.


Since GL didnt get movie of the year at the 1978 Oscars, why not allow him to win the award that matters: "The People's Choice."

Seph(7)

[DorkmanScott]

I believe I have a unique say in this based on the fact that I was one of the people that voted for SW's last year when EW put up all the movie catagories and allowed people to vote on there web site.No offense, but if Star Wars won, I wouldn't necessarily call your vote "unique."

SW's fan base is huge and a link was set up on theforce.net and other sw web site to go vote for your favorite summer movie. It was the "People choice" so about 14,000 + SW fans hit the voting scene and voted. *each one of us voting about 5 times.So what you're saying is that the SW fans who voted knew that the film couldn't succeed in the voting on its own merits, so they stuffed the ballots in its favor?

Our goal was to have him win and we were successfull. It was the last SW movie, a fitting end to 30 year journey.That's all we're saying, is that for many people, it wasn't a fitting end, ESPECIALLY given that it took 30 years to get there.

Since GL didnt get movie of the year at the 1978 Oscars, why not allow him to win the award that matters: "The People's Choice."Because ROTS, in many of our opinions, didn't earn it.

If you want to reward a 30-year journey, hit him with the lifetime achievement award. Naming ROTS "Best Drama," on the other hand, is practically farcical.

DorkmanScott- I don't get what ur asking dude, please clarify 4 me.:wise:I'm only asking why it's perfectly fine to post if you're praising the award, but not if you're questioning the merits of it, especially when the argument against posting non-praisingly is "It won't change anything."

Neither will glowingly positive comments, so what's the point of posting those either?

This is an open discussion. I don't see why it can't discuss both sides as long as the arguments are respectful.

[Capel]

Just here to start some trouble... U can use that time doing some other stuff trying to improve your work or something... ...u are enjoying yourself, upsetting people and how fun is that!...


ok, no offense, but don't lecture me. i've been nothing but civil in this thread or else it would've been closed or i would've been banned. this is a DISCUSSION forum. people are gonna disagree, it's bound to happen. that's why this DISCUSSION forum exists. So as long as people keep posting here defending GL, then i'll keep posting here defending my point of view on the subject. the only one here that doesn't seem to be okay with that is you.

this isn't intended to offend you, but you need to leave it alone. :)

[Sephirothv7]

Mr Scott


I can only say that the vote and contest was pure fun and pure enjoyment. When did SW become so serious? SW was created back in the 70's by men like you and I. The newer movies are made by men and women like you and I. Geeks with expensive machines sitting in a dark cubicle room playing with a mouse saying "ah this looks cool, lets add this to the movie."

EW or the People Choice is not an award to write home about, but its pure fun and it did take the voting out of the critics hands and place into the hands of the fans or average movie goer.

I think some of us lost the true meaning of what fun is while on the road to Damascus. Our road gentlemen is CGI and CGi related material. SW and the people who created just wanted to make a movie while having fun at the same time.

So its natural if some of that spilled over to the fans. No one's saying SW "ROTS" should be ranked up there with the likes of "Godfather, Ben Hur" or even 2005 best dramatic movies. God forbid no, the franchise that made movie going popular again during the Nixon years, and now the era of Sept 11th A.D, did garner $386 million. Fans alone couldnt do that, esp after there 10,000 downlaods of the movie online 24 hrs after the movie was released. Shattering online download records.

But the fans that voted had it right, not that u have it wrong. But I think the fans that voted are keeping the true spirit of star wars alive by adopting what the creators then and the creators now have in mind. "make it fun." Dont take yourself, the movie you make,and the movie you watch seriously. Just have fun. Star Wars no matter what version u love and enjoy, each version or series is enjoyed by millions of people the world over and those who voted for it at EW, just wanted to share in the fun. I dont take it winning seriosuly last week, just like I dont take it seriously when it looses. SW is Star Wars and no award or lack of will ever take away from that. Its as apple pie is to America.

I forgot what movie critic it was on the DVD Special Edition that said "Its Fun watching Star Wars." Boy was he right. Star Wars is fun. So why argue. What's lacking to you in the new movies was for fillment by others who watched. Like my father said "to each his or her own."

and God bless the child who finds his or her own.

[Pentagramma]

Just for the record , according these awards Jennifer Gardner was best " Female Action Star" for Elektra... and Adam Sandler was Funny male star !! :rolleyes:

[Dyne]

I'm glad it won. After all the incessant internet bashing over the last six years (and if this thread is any indication - probably a few more years to come), this is nice. :)

[Nemoid]

ROTS was not so bad compared to Ep I and II, and i also respect people's vote:
I've no problem if they voted like this.

I for myself consider GL a good universe creator. even if he had some great suggestions from various people and gathered alot from various books , comics, movies. the SW universe is interesting, however and mainly, his characters are easy to remember, maybe even for bad reasons sometime. this is a good thing.

the first trilogy is very good, because characters are strong, well defined, but not only for this reason. direction and editing, as well as writing was superior. why? well, simple it was GL being aided by people surrounding him as well: a bunch of young fx creators, technicians sculptors, puppeteers all getting some serious fun and actually creating, adding to GL guidance more substance and good , very good ideas he had the cleverness to retain ;

for teechnology they also had to invent things. to invent the wheel.

And then : actors suggesting new possibilities : anthony daniels changing the mood of a previous Futurama bender like character (C3PO )
Harrison Ford adding some great irony to his character, (this worked alot)and many more examples could be added.

the sequels of a new hope were also directed from different people, and among them the great Irvin Kershner did an outstanding work.

so, the original trilogy was good, because it was not only GL, but an act of creativity from an entire dedicated team.

the new trilogy, seems like simple executing Gl desires and vision. a one man vision. telling a story that was not so interesting and only by himself.
there was great technology now, there was alot of money. no wheel to ivent. so no real team act of creation and fun this time.
only good execution. that's also why there's no great fun in the new trilogy except for only a few things, while in the old one we find alot of funny moments and gags, even if the situation is desperate.

I think GL was very conscious that the only possible interesting part was the drama of Anakin becoming Darth Vader.- the last '30 mins of the movie! - there was not really interesting things to tell.

However, even with a similar plot, the trilogy could have been better , maybe with a GL retaining some good ideas coming from others rather that doing his homework.
he also could choose to use other directors as it happened in the old trilogy.

He simply thought the movies had to been made, and did them.

[Capel]

...the fans that voted are keeping the true spirit of star wars alive by adopting what the creators then and the creators now have in mind. "make it fun." Dont take yourself, the movie you make,and the movie you watch seriously. Just have fun. .

possibly the poorest excuse for the new trilogy i've ever heard.

since when is watching a guy get his legs and arm chopped off and his skin boil from hot lava supposed to be "fun". and even aside from that, GL turned Jedi's into the most boring people in the universe. they're just a bunch of dudes who sit around and discuss politics in monotone voices because they aren't allowed to feel any emotion, occasionally busting out a light sabre. yeah, that's barrels of "fun" to watch.... give me a break. sounds to me like the creators are backpedaling after realizing they couldn't pull it off....

[Nemoid]

possibly the poorest excuse for the new trilogy i've ever heard.

GL turned Jedi's into the most boring people in the universe. they're just a bunch of dudes who sit around and discuss politics in monotone voices because they aren't allowed to feel any emotion, occasionally busting out a light sabre. yeah, that's barrels of "fun" to watch.... give me a break. sounds to me like the creators are backpedaling after realizing they couldn't pull it off....

LOL thinking that in the interpretation of Sir Alec Guinness, :buttrock: Obi Wan was not fun, but was sometimes slightly ironic. he was an actually wise man, subtly showing is emotion as well. his main preoccupation was actually the force, and perturbations in the force. you could feel he was also aware he had to fight the evil sooner or later, and that galaxy fate depended on him and on Luke too.

in the new trilogy there's alot of bla bla, but none of the actors reached the deepness of guiness acting. even if i have to say, Ewan Mcgregor, playing the same character was probably the only one really good in his role.

[Capel]

in the new trilogy there's alot of bla bla, but none of the actors reached the deepness of guiness acting. even if i have to say, Ewan Mcgregor, playing the same character was probably the only one really good in his role.

it's true. and unfortuantely, and just so i can re-iterate as well, :) we can chalk all that up to the main man, George Lucas.

[Martin Kay]

I'd think that GL got the award for the sum total of his work and contribution to sfx. In spite of the fx, I didn't rate EpIII as great as the earlier stuff. I personally preferred EpI, it had the benefit of Liam Neeson. There's a problem inherent in making episodes of a 'story' in the wrong order as Gl has done, and I'd say it shows painfully in EpIII.

Today sfx are taken for granted, whereas it was all new in the late 70's. I think the early cast were much more charismatic, there was much more chemistry between the characters.

I think probably GL was on a hiding to nothing trying to keep 'fans' happy. Its obviously very difficult to continually top what you've previously done. Personally I didn't like the actor playing Annakin as he became Darth Vader. I also didn't like much the actress playing Padme, These people obviously were key to the success or not of the film- for me they failed to give any weight to the characters.

I think Alec Guiness, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and to a lesser extent the guy who played Luke made the early films a success.

For me EpI was better than II or III, simply because it wasn't suffering from the necessity so much as the other two, of having to complete the circle. Ep II suffers from that awful Hayden character with his dreadful unconvincing acting/lines.

[Nemoid]

Ep I suffered a bit from having to use a child as a main actor. a child whose powers and personality, made of him a somewhat boring character. at least IMO.
however the main problem of that movie is that is slow in editing and direction especially in some scenes in tatooine, when qi gon jin stays at skywalker's home, and other scenes.

Darth Maul was an interesting evil char tho. i really cannot understand why GL let him die at all. it would have been really interesting if he returned in Ep II too.
i love the podracers race . good scenes and good editing there. i obviously hate jar jar. not because of his look, but mainly because the way he talks!
jeez! it is.. it is.. :banghead:ok, better to shut up.

[beelow]

ok, no offense, but don't lecture me. i've been nothing but civil in this thread or else it would've been closed or i would've been banned. this is a DISCUSSION forum. people are gonna disagree, it's bound to happen. that's why this DISCUSSION forum exists. So as long as people keep posting here defending GL, then i'll keep posting here defending my point of view on the subject. the only one here that doesn't seem to be okay with that is you.

this isn't intended to offend you, but you need to leave it alone. :)

I ain't trying to lecture u I was trying to be sarcastic and funny, sorry for the misunderstanding dude, and no I don't take offense to anything. Only people that I know and love can work me up, so what u saying can mean just about nothing to me, although ur veiw are valid. like u said everyone is entitled to their oppinion right, as long as their civil right, so chill man and don't gett heated over what I say,cool then, peace man!:thumbsup:

DorkmanScott-Ok, I see what u saying! Yeah its fine as long as people chill have a discussion, and don't attack people's personalities, and respect each other that's all, I went to this one thread and 2 guys got into it about who is more old school than the other, how stupid, when the discussion was that Lil Bow Wow said some out of line stuff about Will Smith not being one of the guys that open doors to help the African American community. especially hip-hop and rap artists of today. Man I could not do anything but laugh at the 2, like damn u guys are kidding right, and they both completely steered away from the conversation and started talking about each other, haha. Yeah, I am just concerned that people jump into forums where people are celebrating something and then someone comes along and shoots their mouth off about how bad something is; it can really disrupt the mood of a thread. I hope u understand where I come from, but I understand ur point though, do what u do, playa, holla!:thumbsup:

[Capel]

I ain't trying to lecture u I was trying to be sarcastic and funny, sorry for the misunderstanding dude, and no I don't take offense to anything. Only people that I know and love can work me up, so what u saying can mean just about nothing to me, although ur veiw are valid. like u said everyone is entitled to their oppinion right, as long as their civil right, so chill man and don't gett heated over what I say,cool then, peace man!:thumbsup:

hey no worries. sometimes it's hard to catch the sarcasm on these forums. sorry if i seemed out of line. ;)

[beelow]

hey no worries. sometimes it's hard to catch the sarcasm on these forums. sorry if i seemed out of line. ;)

Its all good, I just do not intend to upset people thats all! I am a person that likes to have a good laugh! And some of the stuff u were saying and getting people all stuck and mad is funny as hell to me, Continue to toture, LOL!:beer:

[Emmanuel]

I think what could have saved the prequels would have been a more logical storyline.
In Ep2, GL makes Anakin debate about the structure of the republic and that one man should oversee it all and give it order.
That's nice, because Anakin says that in an otherwise harmless conversation.
Now, the whole thing about the renegade planets and the trade federation could have been much more dramatic, culminating in the assasination of Queen Amidala/Padmé, after Anakin fell in love with her.
Ever since I read the books of the first trilogy some 15 years ago, I imagined that Anakin Skywalker was a righteous man (as told by Obi Wan) who was betrayed and rather *puched* towards the dark side.
All that nonsense of Anakin's "visions" and that he wanted to save Amidala because he could see she would die during the birth of the kids, that's all bullshit.
No, he should have been there on that landing platform, secretly hiding in the shadows, waiting for Padmé's cruiser to land, then, she comes down that landing platform, he comes out with a happy smile, she smiles, happy to see her lover again, and then BAM! the ship explodes and she gets severly injured and every proof says it was an assasination planned by Dooku and the trade federation, and THAT would make Anakin come to the side of the Emperor, because he would be the only one to give Anakin the power to revenge his love.
Sure, Yoda already states in Ep1 that "fear" leads to the dark side, and Anakin fears the death of Amidala, but the whole plot around that is pretty weak.In my version, he really has a reason to hate the renegades and Dooku, and "aaaahh, I can feel Your hate!" would come into play and make it easy for Palpatine to bring him to the dark side, like he tries with Luke later.

[Capel]

I think what could have saved the prequels would have been a more logical storyline.
In Ep2, GL makes Anakin debate about the structure of the republic and that one man should oversee it all and give it order.
That's nice, because Anakin says that in an otherwise harmless conversation.
Now, the whole thing about the renegade planets and the trade federation could have been much more dramatic, culminating in the assasination of Queen Amidala/Padmé, after Anakin fell in love with her.
Ever since I read the books of the first trilogy some 15 years ago, I imagined that Anakin Skywalker was a righteous man (as told by Obi Wan) who was betrayed and rather *puched* towards the dark side.
All that nonsense of Anakin's "visions" and that he wanted to save Amidala because he could see she would die during the birth of the kids, that's all bullshit.
No, he should have been there on that landing platform, secretly hiding in the shadows, waiting for Padmé's cruiser to land, then, she comes down that landing platform, he comes out with a happy smile, she smiles, happy to see her lover again, and then BAM! the ship explodes and she gets severly injured and every proof says it was an assasination planned by Dooku and the trade federation, and THAT would make Anakin come to the side of the Emperor, because he would be the only one to give Anakin the power to revenge his love.
Sure, Yoda already states in Ep1 that "fear" leads to the dark side, and Anakin fears the death of Amidala, but the whole plot around that is pretty weak.In my version, he really has a reason to hate the renegades and Dooku, and "aaaahh, I can feel Your hate!" would come into play and make it easy for Palpatine to bring him to the dark side, like he tries with Luke later.

you know what........... that's pretty good.

[Nemoid]

yeah i think the theme of padme dying when giving life to Anakin/Padme children is not so convincing. even if horrible it's a natural way to die, not caused by anyone.

the fact GL wanted to stress is that Anakin cannot face the possibility of someone that is close to him dying.
it happened the same with his mother, and there she was murdered.he reacted with vengeance and hate, literally killing everyone he thought responsible for her death, even children.

but the problem is : "why" cannot he face that. if he lost his mother or someone very important when he was younger, not having the possibility to do anything, that fact would have become more significant for him, especially when he was told being a jedi.
" I have to become so powerful to destroy death itself" could have been his goal somewhat from the start. maybe not a declared goal, but a quite unconscious one.

for example, lets say Anakin lost his very best friend when he was quite young, before what's told in Ep I. his friend was killed, and he obvioulsy couldn't do anything to defend him, so he feels angry, he feels pain, he feels he cannot do anything to fight death. and this fact, deepens in his soul and mind.
he's a child, but he feels he's a bit different from others somewhat. he doesn't forget his friend, but some time passes.
then he becomes a jedi. "Maybe i with my powers i can do something, and defend people and kill the evil (so, who's close to me will not die anymore)"

unfortunately, years later his mother dies as well, and he ,even being a jedi, with his powers couldn't do anything once again. "Now this is enough" I have to become so powerful to destroy death "
becomes quite a clear statement, encouraged by Palpatine repetitive talking, suggesting with subtleties that the dark side of the force isn't exactly what Jedi describe...

in this case, with the thing clearly growing more and more, the mere fact of his wife being killed, becomes "enough". and becomes even more powerful if he's allowed to think that such a death could be something planned from who he thinks is enemy of the republic.
also, in this case actually who is enemy of the republic, is Anakin's enemy.So, he will do eerything possible to destroy those enemies.

ok my storyteller soul caused this way loong post.

[NeOmega]

Congrats to Lucas.

He put a lot of creative input on all fronts in that movie, as well as writing the script. Episode 3 is one of my favorite movies of all time, and I gravitate towards independant and foreign films. If you watch it, keeping in mind you are immersed inthe star wars universe, you will see it is a great tie-together. There was much great symbolism, because lucas only had 2 hours.

Remember how silly it was in ROTJ, the way the emporer ket trying to goad skywalker into fighting? Episode 3 made the manipulation, seem more realistic, more powerful, IMO.

I find it funny how the critics will put it up against some hollywood formula crap movies or YACSO (Yet another comic spin-off) or a story that hads been around for almost a century, and then use that to down Lucas. Or maybe say, "Best drama!!???? well obviously nobody who voted saw (enter choice):

1. a holocaustploitation oscar bait film
2. a dramatic girly film about some mid-age affair
3. a film about a dusty farmer's fight with a bank set in the depression


Episode 3 was brilliant, from beginning to end. A lot of people did not like the NOOOO!... I loved it.

And lets be real, A New Hope was hokey and cliche....

ahh...
ahh...
no... don't argue with me...




"But I was going to the Hitashi station to pick up some power convertors!"


And did anybody notice how many slow motion "nooooos" there were in Lord of The Rings, yet people are saying "Peter Jackson's a genius", he can't even write his own stories, he's a two bit slasher director, and I think LOTR showed it, with the hokey acting direction. everything was over the top.

[Capel]

Congrats to Lucas.

He put a lot of creative input on all fronts in that movie, as well as writing the script. Episode 3 is one of my favorite movies of all time, and I gravitate towards independant and foreign films. If you watch it, keeping in mind you are immersed inthe star wars universe, you will see it is a great tie-together. There was much great symbolism, because lucas only had 2 hours.

hahaha.... ha ha....




Episode 3 was brilliant, from beginning to end. A lot of people did not like the NOOOO!... I loved it.

HA HAAAA!!! haha ha......


And did anybody notice how many slow motion "nooooos" there were in Lord of The Rings, yet people are saying "Peter Jackson's a genius", he can't even write his own stories, he's a two bit slasher director, and I think LOTR showed it, with the hokey acting direction. everything was over the top.

HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAHAHA!!! haha ha ha HAAAAAAA!!!

...wow, ok i'm done. but seriously, man. you should make some kind of stand-up routine out of this stuff... absolutely HILARIOUS! ;)

[Nemoid]

Well, the main thing Lucas tried to do in the prequels is to convey an athmosphere of conspiracy, plotting, and btw the misleading attitude of Palpatine towards everyone sourrounding him, especially Anakin, to obtain the power and conquer the galaxy far far away.

Now these ideas were good, and in some point well realized . i liked many things in ROTS, like the initial sequence, or order 66 idea, for example. direction was better than Ep I and II. ROTS is the best of the three chapters of the prequel for sure.

But, even if SW storyline was never meant from its start as a literature masterpiece, the general quality of the old trilogy was really better than that of the prequels.

There was also alot of irony and humour that got lost in the new movies. direction was better (especially in empire strikes back) editing was better and even the score was way better than the new recent one. the only rememberable part of the score is the chorus made for Ep I :)

[OneSharpMarble]

hahaha.... ha ha....
HA HAAAA!!! haha ha......
HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAHAHA!!! haha ha ha HAAAAAAA!!!
absolutely HILARIOUS! ;)

I vote Capel is having too much fun in this thread ;)

[Nemoid]

Too much fun ?

Nnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ! :D

[NeOmega]

...wow, ok i'm done. but seriously, man. you should make some kind of stand-up routine out of this stuff... absolutely HILARIOUS! ;)

I knew you would come around to my point of view. It is quite funny how many people think Peter Jackson is great isn't it? Isn't it also funny it can't be a great drama unless it is set in the great depression or World war II?

[Capel]

actually i was being sarcastic. i think your post is one of the most ridiculous i've ever read. but no worries. everyone has their opinions, as ludicrous as some people may think they are. but once again, i'll post this link, cuz this guy says it better than i ever could. check it out:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3

just a thought. i don't mean this to be sarcastic, i'm being genuine when i ask this.... but, do you REALLY believe what you posted? do you really think SWEP3 is a great drama? or are you willing to forgive certain things because you love the universe that GL created? cuz i have some friends like that. they admit that the new ones are kind of a joke, but they like them anyway. i just think that saying they're dramatically sound is kind of ridiculous. i'm being totally genuine. this is an honest question. just wanted to make that clear. :)

[NeOmega]

actually i was being sarcastic. i think your post is one of the most ridiculous i've ever read. but no worries. everyone has their opinions, as ludicrous as some people may think they are.

HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha!


but once again, i'll post this link, cuz this guy says it better than i ever could. check it out:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3



No thanks, I prefer uninventive sarcasm.



just a thought. i don't mean this to be sarcastic, i'm being genuine when i ask this.... but, do you REALLY believe what you posted? do you really think SWEP3 is a great drama?

Ha ha ha ha... really, you should look into being a stand up comedian. I mean your sarcasm is so biting and eloquent. Fantastic work. I am certainly glad you have seen how truly awesome Star Wars really is!

or are you willing to forgive certain things because you love the universe that GL created? cuz i have some friends like that. they admit that the new ones are kind of a joke, but they like them anyway. i just think that saying they're dramatically sound is kind of ridiculous. i'm being totally genuine. this is an honest question. just wanted to make that clear. :)

Ha ha ha! good one. You are truly hilarious!

LOL!

[Capel]

well, so much for trying to be sincere...

[NeOmega]

well, so much for trying to be sincere...

Oh Please, Please stop! LOL! My Sides! Bwah HA HA HA HA!

"sincere" Freaking hilarious... Where do you get this material? Are you Seinfeld in disguise!?

C'mon, be serious now and tell me why you really love Star Wars!

Ha HA HA, I can hardly see the screen any more from the tears of laughter!

LOL LOL HA HA HA HA HA!

[JDex]

Alright... Close it. It's life has been lived.

[NeOmega]

Alright... Close it. It's life has been lived.

Or the haters can go join comic book guy and hate on Star Wars somewhere else, perhaps note their dissent, and then leave.

I am just not sure how exactly or ha ha ha add anything to the conversation, except the foul stench of trolls.

[JDex]

Or the haters can go join comic book guy and hate on Star Wars somewhere else, perhaps note their dissent, and then leave.

I am just not sure how or add anything to the conversation, except the foul stench of trolls.


Only one person trolling in this thread. You, my friend. But feel free to make it personal.

[NeOmega]

Only one person trolling in this thread. You, my friend. But feel free to make it personal.

I don't think my first post was anything but sincere, but then someone had to respond with little more than "ha ha ha's" If that isn't trolling, I don't know what is.

And I have seen enough of your posts in this thread too... calling people "mindless people" and such for liking the movies, and wanting to discuss them.

It's downright shameful, and I find it funny you them try to assume the position of "mature moderator" and close down a thread you and your star wars hating buddies spent no time in ruining with flames.

I assure you , you will not find me going in and flaming movies I don't like, or music. But for some reason, any of the first 3 Star Wars flicks always meets a throng of peopel who think Geroge Lucas is retarded, and people who like his movies must be McDonalds munching Big Mac machines who watch American Idol and listen to Britney Spears.

[JDex]

Do you go to any length to prove his god-like prowess as the ultimate film-maker who ever has and will live?

Then you're not necessarily a mindless person, as I phrased them. But don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. The people who form an opinion based upon what the boob-tube tells them to think. If you haven't met them, well you are one lucky and fortunate person. I meet and speak with them everyday... as they seem to be everywhere.

Anywho... mindless was an unfortnate term, and my apologies to anyone who took offense to my careless phasing. As to the rest of your rant aimed at me... you clearly haven't read enough of my posts.

[BlinCk]

Oh, I only saw this thread now!
I am a BIG fan of star wars, and i think it truly deserves this award...Revenge of the sith is the best film ever in my opinion.

Btw...i didn't read all the posts but I think that this discussions are pointless, opinions can not have place to discussions like these...

:cool:
Blinck

[Nemoid]

People 's taste is also made from what they watch, read and enjoy.

watch good movies and you'll see many points about why some movie just doesn't work.

try to watch things like :

Sergio Leone - movies - western ones are a must see.and his masterpiece is
- Once upon a time in America - long movie, but worth seeing.
Sam Peckimpack movies. some of them are western, but he did great job also in non western, dramatic movies. (Straw dogs, Convoy, and The Getaway for example)
Terry Gilliam movies : "Brazil" and "12 monkeys" in particular then, the adventures of Baron Munchausen, Fear and loathing in Las vegas
Stanley Kubrick movies
Akira Kurosawa movies
Martin Scorsese : Taxi Driver , Racing Bull, Cape fear.
Brian de palma : Scarface, The untouchables, Carlito's way
Francis Ford Coppola : The Godfather , Apocalipse now , Bram Stoker's Dracula
Tim Burton movies, except planet of the apes.
most of Spielberg movies
Luc besson: Leon, Nikita
David Fincher : Seven , Fight club
John Milius : Conan the barbarian
Brian Singer : the usual suspects. Xmen and Xmen 2
Dario argento : Profondo Rosso
John Mctiernan : Predator , Die hard
Indiana Jones trilogy - concept by Lucas, direction from Spielberg (huge difference IMO) , one of the best series, with drama , fun and good direction.
Robert Rodriguez : El Mariachi - From dusk till dawn, Sin City
Ridley Scott : Alien - Blade Runner
James Cameron : Terminator, Terminator 2 - Aliens. Titanic is good as well, but someone may find the love story just eye candy.
Quentin tarantino : Reservoir dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill 1 and 2
Sam Raimi : evil dead, evil dead 2- Army of darkness. horror and fun.and get also Darkman
David Cronenberg : "The fly" and "Dead ringers" but even movies like Videodrome, the Brood and more are really scaring - not movies for everyone
Peter Jackson : Heavenly creatures. LOTR saga - but i think the guy have to do his real masterpiece yet.

the list could be way more large, but most of these author's movies are really great and work very well in plot, direction, editing.maybe not everyone will like every movies, but these ones are full of good things to learn about filmaking, acting, editing and more.

[DorkmanScott]

It is quite funny how many people think Peter Jackson is great isn't it?

I'm pretty sure George Lucas is one of them. Especially considering how much he copped off Jackson stylistically when filming ROTS.

Isn't it also funny it can't be a great drama unless it is set in the great depression or World war II?

Who said that? There's plenty of strong contemporary dramas, and quite a few sci-fi dramas.

It can't be a great drama if there's no chemistry between the characters, or investment by the audience in their outcome, or emotional power behind the story. ROTS is an okay movie, but definitely not a great one, and certainly not a great DRAMA. I mean honestly, in a year when dramatic movies like CRASH came out, putting ROTS in the same category as that kind of film -- to say nothing of awarding it the best in said category -- is genuinely absurd.

[Sephirothv7]

OMG now we have people believing GL copied off Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson has a style he uses when making films. And so does GL. Lets not get in a skunk pissing match on which director is better. Both men no doubt admire the heck out of each other, and Peter jackson has said on numerious occasions he learned how to make LOTR from watching GL make the original trilogy series and hs unique style to film making. Both men are great in making films.


Comparing the two is like comparing the moon of earth to the moon of North America.

-Great Film Makers making a hell of alot of money doing what they enjoy most. making movies.

[DorkmanScott]

OMG now we have people believing GL copied off Peter Jackson. Peter Jackson has a style he uses when making films. And so does GL. Lets not get in a skunk pissing match on which director is better.

I'm not even saying better. I'm stating an observable fact, that GL's style, particularly with action, changed for ROTS, and it was very much like Peter Jackson's style.

Go watch TPM and/or AOTC (pre-LOTR films). See how many dolly, crane, or dolly/crane shots you find in either film.

Now watch the LOTR films. See how many dolly, crane, or dolly/crane shots are in there.

Now watch ROTS (shot in large part post-LOTR). Witness the difference in the amount (pretty much just the fact that there's ANY) of dolly, crane, and dolly/crane shots. The opening shot alone would never have been done without the sweeping influence of LOTR.

It wasn't the cinematographer that changed, it was George. Of course, his ability to work with actors didn't change, but the way he moved the camera did.

[Nemoid]

Well, yes Gl had a different style when making the old trilogy, but heck it was alot of years ago. if he copied PJ he did well, because PJ is a good director (even if there are good ones to be inspired from as wel)

Gl has some good merit. making SW saga he brought cinema and SFX into a new age, technologically speaking. He founded ILM, and so allowed the birth of modern sfx, advancing old technolgies, and literally using and making advance both pactical and CGI technology to produce them. during this process, alot of new authors and sfx both practical (people like Rob Bottin, Rick Baker, Stan Winston and more) and more recently CG artist got new technologies and materials to work with.

From direction POV, new directors, like Zemeckis, Spielberg himself, Cameron and many others , among which Peter Jackson were allowed to produce new movies previoulsy impossible, without GL starting it out.

BTW as did Cameron too,and as many directors are allowed now, Peter Jackson
is obviously exploiting very well the new technologies.
Being grown with all movies coming after SW, he does know how to manage sfx to tell his story.
Weta is producing amazing works, both in practical fx and CG.
They also experimented new production methods (Zbrush or Mud anyone?)
And now it doesn't matter who started it all. technology and methods coming
originally from ILM have grown as well and are there for everyone. :)

Quality of work speaks.
Quality of direction speaks as well.

Into a good movie, drama is in the plot, in the storyline, in dialogues, in acting , in POV choice , in light, and editing, in soundtrack.
all elements a good director have to be able to manage well.

it can't be in sfx at all.

[Sephirothv7]

Actually Dorkman, Steven Speilberg supplied tid bits and insite for most of the action sequences you see in ROTS. Watch the DVD of ROTS and the downloadable(members only clips) from SW web site on the making of ROTS.

- I know your not so foolish to say Speilberg copied PJ.

[DorkmanScott]

Actually Dorkman, Steven Speilberg supplied tid bits and insite for most of the action sequences you see in ROTS. Watch the DVD of ROTS and the downloadable(members only clips) from SW web site on the making of ROTS.

- I know your not so foolish to say Speilberg copied PJ.

Mainly it was the Sidious vs. Yoda fight. At least that's all they're admitting to. And that, too, had a completely different directorial style than much of the rest of the film (or the series as a whole).

[Sephirothv7]

Actually Dorkman your wrong, Speilberg offered more insight to more than just the Yoda and Palpatine fight. At SW.com(members only) and else where, ET, AC-Tv and others GL admitted and some of the guys at ILM admitted that Speilberg phoned in or viewed many of the action sequences, esp the attack of the Wookie Planet, the Battle of Mustafar w/Anakin vs OB1 dual and a few others that escape me. So yeah Speilberg pretty much being a good friend with GL loved ROTS and offered his tidbits. not PJ.

When asked at the premier of the movie in fact, Speilberg smirked that he was involved with lots of animation and actions sequences. 3 homages to his past movies are inserted in the movie as well. can u see them my friend?

Various magazines can substantiate my claim.

[Nemoid]

Yeah Spielberg helped GL alot for this movie.

That's why it came out better than the other 2.
To me, IMO, GL deserves great respect for what did in the past. he had the right idea at the right time, and made it. Things that happen once in one life.

But with this new trilogy we can notice he's been surpassed from too many good directors.

But fact is : ROTS isn't a great movie. but people liked it however.

[kizoku]

At last we show the business what we think. It's nice to see one of my favourite movies get this award, and it looks like ya'll agree :)

[Glenfx]

George Lucas "WAS" a great story teller (i love the original SW and i love the Indiana Jones trilogy).

Though i think he didnt actually think too much when he created the precuels, he seemed bored an rushed things off (its no news he doesnt like starwars too much and he wanted to get over with it). And he was making a movie aimed at children, You know "toys" sell well, and thats where his bigger income comes from.

Also, he cant be called a creator of worlds (like if he's some kind of eminence), his art department made everything for him, he just whent to the art deppartment and simply tagged the images he liked.

Drama?? i think if you laughed your @ss off after the "dramatic" moment of Darth Vader's NOOOoooooooo!!, then i dont know in wich of the SW plannets im on but thats the worst "drama" ever. And Amidala, she was tough, jumped around, fought aginst innumerable things, but in the 3rd movie, she was a powerless common damisell?? ("oh no, i cuted my nail")

I think what GL nedded was a better judgement call when he casted his characters. The Kid anakin was a much better actor than the grown up one (i dont even want to know his name). Amidala could have been better. Obi wan was very good as well as Quigon, but anakin was terribly wrong =P (actually, whenever he was on screen i wasnt shure if i was watching starwars or "Dawsons Creek".)

Well, anyway, i hope he doesnt mess the new Indiana Jhones movie.

[mangolass]

George Lucas "WAS" a great story teller (i love the original SW and i love the Indiana Jones trilogy).

Though i think he didnt actually think too much when he created the precuels, he seemed bored an rushed things off (its no news he doesnt like starwars too much and he wanted to get over with it). And he was making a movie aimed at children, You know "toys" sell well, and thats where his bigger income comes from.

All of the Star Wars movies were for children. Remember when the Evil Empire was defeated by a forest full of teddy bears? Was that for adults ~ or do older people just remember it differently because they were younger then?

LT

[Terrell]

LOL! I can't believe this topic has generated this many pages. Lucas could take a dump and get more attention than anyone in Hollywood.

[NanoGator]

LOL! I can't believe this topic has generated this many pages. Lucas could take a dump and get more attention than anyone in Hollywood.

Boy I could make a rude comment, here. Hehee.

[Capel]

At last we show the business what we think. It's nice to see one of my favourite movies get this award, and it looks like ya'll agree :)

ummm... you might want to read the whole thread. unless you're being sarcastic. :)

[Capel]

All of the Star Wars movies were for children.

LT

the old ones, definately. but come on. ROTS had graphic decapitations, dismemberment, slaughtered children, and anaking getting his legs cut off as well as his arm as his stumps caught fire and his face melted off.... since when is that for kids?

and if Episodes I and II were for kids, (which, by the way, i kind of agree with you on) then why make the third one for adults? makes no sense.

[NanoGator]

Off-topic, sorry folks:

Capel: I'm not normally one to gush, but that Imitrex commercial in your demo reel is great. Always got a chuckle watching that on TV. Kudos. :)

[Whelkn]

I like fish.

[Emmanuel]

"and if Episodes I and II were for kids, (which, by the way, i kind of agree with you on) then why make the third one for adults? makes no sense."

Because, my dear Capel, by Ep3 all the Ep1 fans (age 12) had become age 18 :)
But seriously, there was already decapitation in Ep2, remember Jango Fett and Mace Windu ?

[Capel]

I like fish.

i like whelks.


Capel: I'm not normally one to gush, but that Imitrex commercial in your demo reel is great. Always got a chuckle watching that on TV. Kudos.

hey thanks! you're too kind. :)

ok, back on topic. sorry everyone.

[leigh]

All of the Star Wars movies were for children. Remember when the Evil Empire was defeated by a forest full of teddy bears? Was that for adults ~ or do older people just remember it differently because they were younger then?

LT

:surprised

I don't "remember it differently", considering I own the boxset and have seen all films numerous times. While I personally don't like the ewoks all that much, you can't say the films are for kids just because of them. Family films, yeah, but they weren't made specifically for kids at all, especially not the latest trilogy.

[thethule]

:surprised

I don't "remember it differently", considering I own the boxset and have seen all films numerous times. While I personally don't like the ewoks all that much, you can't say the films are for kids just because of them. Family films, yeah, but they weren't made specifically for kids at all, especially not the latest trilogy.


I agree. I think that the "its a kids film" thing is just an excuse. I mean, trade federations, votes of no confidence, senates..etc

The storylines are NOT for kids. Spy kids, the goonies, explorers... these are kids films, Star Wars is not. Like Leigh said, a family film, sure.


Marc

[NanoGator]

"and if Episodes I and II were for kids, (which, by the way, i kind of agree with you on) then why make the third one for adults? makes no sense."

Because, my dear Capel, by Ep3 all the Ep1 fans (age 12) had become age 18 :)
But seriously, there was already decapitation in Ep2, remember Jango Fett and Mace Windu ?

Did anybody else watch the scene and expect Jango's head to fall out of the helmet causing Boba to run away like Macaulay Culkin?

[DorkmanScott]

With Oscar noms today, I'm actually a bit surprised that ROTS only received Best Makeup. Particularly considering that it was probably the WORST makeup of any of the films, Palpatine in particular. He looked like a parody of himself.

I would have thought it would get a nom for VFX, Art Direction, or Costume Design. Weird.

[leigh]

With Oscar noms today, I'm actually a bit surprised that ROTS only received Best Makeup. Particularly considering that it was probably the WORST makeup of any of the films, Palpatine in particular. He looked like a parody of himself.

I would have thought it would get a nom for VFX, Art Direction, or Costume Design. Weird.

Yeah I was really surprised as well. I didn't particularly like Ep III, but it had some fabulous VFX sequences, that I thought were a sure bet for a nomination, if not a win.

[OneSharpMarble]

:surprised

I don't "remember it differently", considering I own the boxset and have seen all films numerous times. While I personally don't like the ewoks all that much, you can't say the films are for kids just because of them. Family films, yeah, but they weren't made specifically for kids at all, especially not the latest trilogy.

I don't see how you can think the first three weren't for children, GL himself has defended this trilogy with that statement. Sure there was violence but it was so softened it really wasn't even violent. When I watched it as a child I always thought the storm troopers were robots hence no problem with them dying.
A planet is blown up but it is there then a few sparks and it is gone, I guarantee you had he done that scene today you would see waves of flames engulfing droves of citizens and people running for their lives.
Is there even blood in the first three? When someone would get slashed with a light sabre they would just fall down and die, no guts falling out, no blood spurting. A far cry from the new 3.

[NanoGator]

Is there even blood in the first three? When someone would get slashed with a light sabre they would just fall down and die, no guts falling out, no blood spurting. A far cry from the new 3.

A New Hope featured a bloody arm removal and the bodies of people burned so badly only their skeletons remained. Remember when Darth Vader slashed through Obi-wan with his lightsaber? It was originally filmed so that his sabre would burn right through the old hermit's cloak. (The reasons for not showing it aren't that clear to me. From the tests I saw, it looked like they never really got a good take, but maybe it was softened...)


To GL's credit, though, the scenes I've mentioned were very brief. I don't know how I feel on the "Star Wars is for kids" topic, but I do feel that despite what I've said, nearly all of the movies are family friendly.

[leigh]

I don't see how you can think the first three weren't for children, GL himself has defended this trilogy with that statement. Sure there was violence but it was so softened it really wasn't even violent. When I watched it as a child I always thought the storm troopers were robots hence no problem with them dying.

I didn't say it wasn't for kids, I said it wasn't specifically for kids ;) They're films for the whole family, and can most certainly be enjoyed by adults. Kids films are films like Shark Boy And Lava Girl, or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[malducin]

Whoa, since when the original Star Wars films were for kids?!?!? That's just Lucas and the press revisionism and parents self-convincing mentality. I would be hard pressed to call them family films, although I understand why it's used that way. In any case it's a general audience film that plays to all age groups.

Gore and violence do not make an adult or non-kid film, though most of the time this is the case. But the reverse is not true, there are countless of films with almost no gore, violence, language or nudity that are strictly for adults. What makes the difference is the tone and context.

The original SW films were more geared towards teens originally (especially the first two). It was not until much later, in great part because of the merchandising and popularity with kids (and the toys and merchandise didn't appear untill 1978 for the most part as everyone missed the boat). But they had a lot more subltety which could appeal to older audiences plus the "cool stuff" that kids enjoyed.

It was until later that the original SW were rebranded as "kids" films and it was the same kind of mentality that led Spielberg to appologize for Temple of Doom (which is ridiculous) to the ET 20th Aniv. changes (pathetic, almost insulting).

The new ones might be more graphic but the tone is much less serious for the most part. Even in the last ones, chunks of the story were edited out to keep the "cool" stuff in. I never understood why would Lucas or anyone would have to "warn" parents about it.

[JMcWilliams]

Huh? when/why did spielberg say sorry for temple of doom? Whats wrong with it?

[malducin]

Huh? when/why did spielberg say sorry for temple of doom? Whats wrong with it?

It was not long after its initial release. Mainly it was because the film was too dark and graphic, particularly the heart ripping sequence. Back then many parents complained about that and subsequently Spielberg appologized for it. Not only that but more recently he has made other bizarre declarations. One went something like he put those shots only because Lucas wanted, and some such nonesense.

It was among the first films to receive the newly created PG-13 rating.

If I remember correctly the heart ripping shot was cut in the UK and never shown (TV, VHS release, etc.).

Too much hoopla, since Raiders of the Lost Ark was not a kids film to begin with (just like Star Wars).

[JMcWilliams]

Crazy :D

.....

[Sephirothv7]

Actually the "Temple of Doom" craeted the need for the PG-13 rating. Temple of Doom was rated PG when it hit US theatres.

[Nemoid]

Movies of the original trilogy were mainly for teens, even if even younger kids could like them. let's say, 8 - 13 year old maybe a little further , till 15. the movies were interesting for adults too, as has been said, becaiuse of some of their subtleties, so even 20 y/old and adults liked them. who doesn't want to be a kid for some time ?

the new ones, seems to be : Ep1 - kids Ep II 16- 18 years/old Ep III 20 etc. just because time passes, and the characters grow . the tone also gets more serious.

Podracers sequence is very good for kids, and maybe also some watto /jar jar gag , but the love story of EP II is better suited for older viewers, because they identify better with the characters (especially girls with Padme) Ep III is war and darkness. very masculine, i'd say. so older people would like it better. but those elements were present in the old trilogy as well.

however, the movies are in general intended for the whole family. there's nothing unwatchable in them.

oh, and i like Ewoks as well !! (but i didn't see their solo movies tho)
i like these groups of small characters, even the robot - robbers in A new Hope.they rock!!

[pixelranger]

I love epic dramas, good action sequences, humour, and down to earth "realistic" science fiction. Therefore, I think, I totally love the Star Wars saga. I also admire Lucas' dedication (in a way other than, say, Uwe Bolls fanatic dedication to NOT realize when a battle is lost).
That being said, I'm not a huge fan of the SW prequels either....
But I totally think George Lucas deserved this one. You can say what you want, but he definately changed the movie industry in a good way. And I'm so happy on his behalf!!
Seriously, where would all of us be today if it hadn't been for him!
:bowdown:

[CGmonkey]

Enjoy the films for what they are, and not for what YOU wished them to be.

In either case, I LOVE every asepect of the star wars saga.

[DorkmanScott]

But I totally think George Lucas deserved this one. You can say what you want, but he definately changed the movie industry in a good way.

Why does this argument keep coming up?

Lifetime achievement award? Okay. No argument.

Visual effects award of any kind? Okay. No argument.

Award for favorite movie of 2005? I think it's based more on the name Star Wars than any real merit, but whatever.

Award for Best Dramatic Picture of 2005? In a year that included movies like Brokeback Mountain, Munich, and Crash? No. He didn't earn that no matter how much he did for the FX industry.

there's nothing unwatchable in them.

"You are so beautiful."
"Only because I'm so in love."
"No, no, it's because I'm in love with you."
"So love has blinded you?"

:argh:

[NeOmega]

Award for Best Dramatic Picture of 2005? In a year that included movies like Brokeback Mountain, Munich, and Crash? No. He didn't earn that no matter how much he did for the FX industry.

gay cowboys, sandra bullock or another angle on a subject already done by the massively award winning chariots of fire? Why are these any mroe worthy than the cap stone to GL's pyramid, made of the most succesful movie series in HISTORY, and some of them alone in the top ten most successful of all time. Alot of peopel did not see ROTS as a great prequel, I saw i as the best of the six movies. I thought it was excellent, and did not disappoint, especially compared to episode I. II seemed better after watching III.

I mean, really, who is going to choose a film about 2 cowboys going to the mountains every year over star wars? perhaps 8% of the population. There is another 25-30% who will watch Revenge of the Sith 100 more times before even trying to watch a movie about two cowboy's boring life.

I don't think there is a sci-fi class in the people's choice awards, so drama is the closest fit. It's not a comedy, it's not animated and it's not a documentary. What people's choice award do you think it should have won for?




*for use in a later post, disregard*
.......yeah, as if that wasn't pridictable.

[Pentagramma]

I don't think there is a sci-fi class in the people's choice awards, so drama is the closest fit. It's not a comedy, it's not animated and it's not a documentary. What people's choice award do you think it should have won for?


"Biggest soul-less prequel to a classic movie series"? ;)

[Capel]

gay cowboys, sandra bullock or another angle on a subject already done by the massively award winning chariots of fire? Why are these any mroe worthy than the cap stone to GL's pyramid, made of the most succesful movie series in HISTORY, and some of them alone in the top ten most successful of all time. Alot of peopel did not see ROTS as a great prequel, I saw i as the best of the six movies. I thought it was excellent, and did not disappoint, especially compared to episode I. II seemed better after watching III.

I mean, really, who is going to choose a film about 2 cowboys going to the mountains every year over star wars? perhaps 8% of the population.

It's all about EXECUTION. sure, Episode III could've been a great drama, because there's certainly enough dramatic content in the basic storyline of the film to put it in that category. the problem is that GL made those dramatic elements completely unbelievable and ridiculous because of plotline holes, terrible dialogue and horribly directed actors. end result? a SW prequel that was almost a parody of itself.

And i seriously doubt you've even seen Brokeback Mountain, given the way you talk about it, so the fact that you're even bringing it up makes you look entirely ignorant and your comments all the more ridiculous. i'm sure even the most intense SW fans will admit that Best Drama of 05' is a strange award for Episode III to recieve.

[OneSharpMarble]

"I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere..."

[Digit]

gay cowboys, sandra bullock or another angle on a subject already done by the massively award winning chariots of fire?

Lol! Are you saying Chariots of Fire and Munich have the same subject? Have you seen either film?!

[Capel]

"Anakin.... i know we're about to die. but the truth is.... i've been dying a little each day since i met you. i truly, deeply, love you."

[JWRodegher]

Ne Omega, man, you HAVE to be kiddin´
Your point ins´t valid at all. Your description of a movie like "a two gay cowboys boring life" is just as good as if I refer to star wars like "the story of a faget tryin to have fun with his stupid light saber".

What would you say about that? Exactly what I´d say about your comment: you are totally missing the point there.

And the fact that there´s a big bunch of people who would prefer to watch the SW again and again before tryin anything else, only makes me think how close minded that people would be (not to mention, that if I make any movie and label it Star Wars they would prefer that too over any other thing).

And once again, you wanna a "BEST MOVIE EVER IN HISTORY AND BEST MOVIE TO EXISTE FOREVER AND EVER" award for your SWIII, fine, whatever I couldn´t care less...but drama? Come on man, give it up already.

[DorkmanScott]

gay cowboys, sandra bullock or another angle on a subject already done by the massively award winning chariots of fire? Why are these any mroe worthy than the cap stone to GL's pyramid, made of the most succesful movie series in HISTORY, and some of them alone in the top ten most successful of all time.

Because they're dramas, and Episode III is not.

You have clearly seen none of the four (including Chariots of Fire) films that you mention here. Everyone who has seen Brokeback has stated that calling it a "gay cowboy" movie is an ignorant oversimplification.

Sandra Bullock is a member of an ensemble cast in Crash and, in fact, has probably the absolute least amount of screentime, perhaps second only to her husband in the film, Brendan Fraser.

Munich is about acts of terrorism at, and following, the 1972 Olympics. Chariots of Fire is a story of competing track runners at the 1924 Olympics. Besides that they obliquely share the Olympics as a backdrop, they have nothing in common.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, but I suppose that actually proves your point in that, with closed-minded attitudes abounding, and mindless explosions and the name Star Wars being what draws audiences, perhaps ROTS WAS the closest thing to a drama many people saw all last year.

That's just depressing. :blush:

[leigh]

gay cowboys, sandra bullock or another angle on a subject already done by the massively award winning chariots of fire? Why are these any mroe worthy than the cap stone to GL's pyramid, made of the most succesful movie series in HISTORY, and some of them alone in the top ten most successful of all time. Alot of peopel did not see ROTS as a great prequel, I saw i as the best of the six movies. I thought it was excellent, and did not disappoint, especially compared to episode I. II seemed better after watching III.

I mean, really, who is going to choose a film about 2 cowboys going to the mountains every year over star wars? perhaps 8% of the population. There is another 25-30% who will watch Revenge of the Sith 100 more times before even trying to watch a movie about two cowboy's boring life.

:surprised

[slaughters]

"Anakin.... i know we're about to die. but the truth is.... i've been dying a little each day since i met you. i truly, deeply, love you."Congratulations ! You just won the funniest quote of the day contest ! :thumbsup:

[Capel]

I WON!!! wow, this is an honor.... wait, do i get a prize?

[NeOmega]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, but I suppose that actually proves your point in that, with closed-minded attitudes abounding, and mindless explosions and the name Star Wars being what draws audiences, perhaps ROTS WAS the closest thing to a drama many people saw all last year.

That's just depressing.

Why is that depressing? Are you actually advocating people need to watch more movies? OF course I haven't watched brokeback, or Crash, or Munich... and I never will, and I never care to. I also will never watch any Will Ferrel movies, Adam Sandler movies, no horror movies, will never watch any movies about boxing in the fifties, or any holocaust movies. There are hundreds of movies released each year, I certainly do not care to watch them all. Feeling suicidal yet?

I watch maybe 20 movies a year, and usually quit watching 15 of them within the first 30 minutes because they are so predictably Hollywood. I don't have the time in my life to spend 2 hours watching a movie about gay cowboys, and I don't care what people say about it, or how "ignorant" the statement is. I know more of the storyline, but I just do not care to explain how much I know and have heard about the film... it sounds COMPLETELY uninteresting to me, as do the other two, since I don't need a lesson on racism or the shooting of Israeli athletes.

So how are people in the people's choice awards, who feel the same as me, going to vote on anthing else? They aren't in any guild that requires them to watch all the movies before voting.

And NO-ONE has yet to seriously answer, as they slam on ROTS for not being a drama, (allthough clearly it is a grand space opera) as to what category it should have been in.


and notice I didn't say "gay cowboys" boring life. Straight or gay, I could care less about the story of two middle aged cowboys. Sure, many people may enjoy thta kind of drama, just count me, and millions of other People's Choice award voters, out.

[DorkmanScott]

So what you're basically saying is that ROTS is pretty much the only movie you saw last year.

And my answer is yes, if you're going to talk about how ROTS is better than other movies, you'd better have seen those other movies you're comparing it to.

And if you don't watch most movies past 30 minutes for being "predictably Hollywood", how on EARTH did you sit all the way through ROTS? Despite the fact that Lucas works outside the Hollywood system, ROTS was filled with all the worst "Hollywood" style action-movie tripe imaginable!

[NeOmega]

So what you're basically saying is that ROTS is pretty much the only movie you saw last year.

And my answer is yes, if you're going to talk about how ROTS is better than other movies, you'd better have seen those other movies you're comparing it to.

I didn't say it was better... I pointed out, that The People's Choice awards is voted on, and I guarantee you an enormously higher percentage of the American public wants to watch ROTS over any of those other movies you mentioned.

Good movies are a matter of opinion.


And if you don't watch most movies past 30 minutes for being "predictably Hollywood", how on EARTH did you sit all the way through ROTS? Despite the fact that Lucas works outside the Hollywood system, ROTS was filled with all the worst "Hollywood" style action-movie tripe imaginable!

I found it gripping... why is that so hard to believe? I was shocked when Anakin cut off Mace Windus hand, I saw the emoperers as dreadfully evil and manipulative, One of my favorite scenes is Palpatine tellign the story of Darth Sidious, as he watches that wierd liquid dance thingy...

I loved the opening, I loved the ending. I loved it all. I did not find the acting was that bad at all, and I don't think the lines about love making you blind are really that bad either. The anakim-padme stroy was a small part of the tale. The seduction of Anakin by Palpatine was the real story.

[leigh]

atch maybe 20 movies a year, and usually quit watching 15 of them within the first 30 minutes because they are so predictably Hollywood.

And Star Wars isn't "predictably Hollywood"? :curious:

[leigh]

And my answer is yes, if you're going to talk about how ROTS is better than other movies, you'd better have seen those other movies you're comparing it to.

I'm going to have to agree with this Michael here. You cannot go on and on about how much better Star Wars was than everything else if you didn't see everything else. In fact, people shouldn't even be voting from a selection if they haven't even seen each film in the lineup.

Well, that's just how I see things :shrug:

And you did actually imply that these other films were not as good as Star Wars with this:

gay cowboys, sandra bullock or another angle on a subject already done by the massively award winning chariots of fire? Why are these any mroe worthy than the cap stone to GL's pyramid, made of the most succesful movie series in HISTORY, and some of them alone in the top ten most successful of all time. Alot of peopel did not see ROTS as a great prequel, I saw i as the best of the six movies. I thought it was excellent, and did not disappoint, especially compared to episode I. II seemed better after watching III.

If you actually watched the films you're putting down, you may change your (unfounded) opinion about them. Just a thought. Those films were successfully because they weren't the standard Hollywood stuff ;)

[NeOmega]

And Star Wars isn't "predictably Hollywood"? :curious:
What makes you believe it is?

[NeOmega]

If you actually watched the films you're putting down, you may change your (unfounded) opinion about them. Just a thought. Those films were successfully because they weren't the standard Hollywood stuff ;)

I am not putting them down. Let me be clear:

I am not putting them down

I am saying, the people's choice awards are voted on by the public. If the movie is not even interesting to most of the public, then why is it a surprise ROTS won? Since Star Wars is massively popular in the United States.

[leigh]

What makes you believe it is?

- young, "hottie" actors giving really bad performances
- really dodgy script
- stupid, pointless bits of humour injected inappropriately into the film
- massive budget VFX and explosions, often used when unnecessary

Mmm yes, all the ingredients for a no-substance Hollywood blockbuster.

[leigh]

I am saying, the people's choice awards are voted on by the public. If the movie is not even interesting to most of the public, then why is it a surprise ROTS won? Since Star Wars is massively popular in the United States.

No, it means that a massive percentage of geeks voted :D Seriously though, I very much doubt that the majority of people who voted for Star Wars had even seen the other films that have been mentioned in this thread. It's a surprise because Star Wars is NOT a drama. And yes, I know there was no sci-fi category in the poll, but voting Star Wars in a drama category is just silly.

Where is the logic in voting for the "best" of something, if you've not even seen everything in the running? What is your basis for comparison if you've not seen the others?

[Neil]

and it just keeps going, and going, and going, and going...

[leigh]

and it just keeps going, and going, and going, and going...

I was pretty surprised to see that this thread is still alive!

[NeOmega]

No, it means that a massive percentage of geeks voted :D Seriously though, I very much doubt that the majority of people who voted for Star Wars had even seen the other films that have been mentioned in this thread. [/quote[


I doubt it too.

[quote]It's a surprise because Star Wars is NOT a drama.

Yes it is, that is the best category for it out of the availabel categories, (and as I have stated, it is a space opera

And yes, I know there was no sci-fi category in the poll, but voting Star Wars in a drama category is just silly.

That's fine... what category should it be in again?

Where is the logic in voting for the "best" of something, if you've not even seen everything in the running? What is your basis for comparison if you've not seen the others?

Voting.. I bet ROTS won handily, and there are plenty of people who had seen all three or four mentioned.... many people simply do not like those kinds of movies

One day, if brokeback is on TV, and I am relaxing, I may watch it, and I may enjoy it, (I would never rent it), I do surprise myself sometimes by the drab dramas that end up pulling me in, like some cheesy Travolta flicks. But I guarantee, guarantee, there is no way I would want to watch it again, and I guarantee, if asked, "OK, you have already seen brokeback and ROTS, but you have to watch one again...." without ever having seen brokeback, since I have lived as myself for 29 years, I assure you, I would MUCH RATHER watch ROTS again.

[Capel]

Voting.. I bet ROTS won handily, and there are plenty of people who had seen all three or four mentioned.... many people simply do not like those kinds of movies

One day, if brokeback is on TV, and I am relaxing, I may watch it, and I may enjoy it, (I would never rent it), I do surprise myself sometimes by the drab dramas that end up pulling me in, like some cheesy Travolta flicks. But I guarantee, guarantee, there is no way I would want to watch it again, and I guarantee, if asked, "OK, you have already seen brokeback and ROTS, but you have to watch one again...." without ever having seen brokeback, since I have lived as myself for 29 years, I assure you, I would MUCH RATHER watch ROTS again.

see, this is where your argument is flawed. the audience for SW and the audience for Brokeback Mountain are practically polar opposites. Which says to me that these movies shouldn't be in the same category.

it would be like giving the "best VFX award" to brokeback mountain. There were no VFX in that film, just like there was no drama in ROTS, unless you count that dialogue between anakin and obi wan after the lava fight, which to me was the most engaging moment of the movie. too bad it only lasted like 45 seconds... a two hour movie with about 10 minutes of drama ISN'T A DRAMA.

is there a best action movie category? best Hollywood blockbuster? these categories make more sense.

the fact that people voted for ROTS as best drama says less for the movie and more for the fact that the people that voted don't understand the definition of "drama".

[OneSharpMarble]

The seduction of Anakin by Palpatine was the real story.

Hahaha what seduction?

Palpatine was all like "Hey Anakin go kill all your friends and a bunch of children" and Anakin was like "........ok."

Very true dorkman, post edited.

[DorkmanScott]

No need to make it personal, now.

[slaughters]

...t would be like giving the "best VFX award" to brokeback mountain. There were no VFX in that film,...Heh heh - I love doing this:

...Morin, who worked tirelessly to create 3D shots that blended seamlessly with the film's natural scenic beauty, beautifully captured by cinematographer Rodrigo Prieto. “We did CG sheep enhancements in some shots - adding sheep in the mid-ground and background - and a couple of shots that were all CG. If we've done our job correctly, no one will know what we've done.”...

With the help of more than a dozen CG animation artists using multiple SOFTIMAGE|XSI 3D animation workstations, the artistic team at Buzz Image Group created approximately 15 shots with 3D sheep...

>>>> Link <<<< (http://www.avid.com/profiles/051219_brokeback_filmcomposer.asp?dm=bbMountain)

So there you go: Brokeback has some VFX, therefore it should be in the Best VFX category where it will obviously beat out that moldy 3D space ship movie called RTS :)

[pixelranger]

I'm still happy on George's behalf, but I also would just like to say to Dorkman Scott that, uhm... yeah, I agree. Haven't seen Brokeback Mountain yet, but both Crash and Munich were definately greater dramatic movies than ROTS. Actually, they're perhaps the best dramatic movies I've seen. And as for ROTS isolated, well, uhm, yeah, I guess most movies are better dramatic movies than ROTS... Basically, I just wanted to let you know that you got me there...

[Nemoid]

Woot ! this tread became so long (ok also thanx to my long posts)
that Gl could have done a new SW trilogy in the meantime.

ok Darth, now go and killem all

-Yes, my Master -

Woooo -shhhh, wooo - shhhhhh...

[Capel]

Heh heh - I love doing this:

...Morin, who worked tirelessly to create 3D shots that blended seamlessly with the film's natural scenic beauty, beautifully captured by cinematographer Rodrigo Prieto. “We did CG sheep enhancements in some shots - adding sheep in the mid-ground and background - and a couple of shots that were all CG. If we've done our job correctly, no one will know what we've done.”...

With the help of more than a dozen CG animation artists using multiple SOFTIMAGE|XSI 3D animation workstations, the artistic team at Buzz Image Group created approximately 15 shots with 3D sheep...

>>>> Link <<<< (http://www.avid.com/profiles/051219_brokeback_filmcomposer.asp?dm=bbMountain)

So there you go: Brokeback has some VFX, therefore it should be in the Best VFX category where it will obviously beat out that moldy 3D space ship movie called RTS :)

oi vey.... i knew someone would do this. Sure there are SOME form of VFX in pretty much any movie nowadays. My point was that there aren't ENOUGH in Brokeback to merit an award in the best VFX category, and the same goes for ROTS in the drama category.

there, hope that was clear. :)

[aaron111]

My only statement with regard to this whole thread is: everyone is entitled to bad taste.
;)

[NanoGator]

One more time around the block, Jeeves.

[DorkmanScott]

Pixelranger: hey, that's all I'm saying. :)

[Sephirothv7]

One shouldnt think that just because ROTS won the People's Choice Awards for Best Drama that it means SW ROTS was just that the best drama of 2005. Award shows like People's Choice know in advance that movies like Munich, Crash, and the so called Broke Back Mountiain will all get due respects in February.


But that doesn't mean movies like Batman, Choc Factory, and SW's for that matter should be over looked simply because there summer pop corn movies, for pop culture fans. Movie exec's and etc all vote for the movies come Oscar time. And as of yesterday Broke Back, Munich, Crash have all got there due calling, each being nominated in there respective catagory.

Movies like Batman, SW, FF4, and are not even considered come Oscar time and rightfully so. GL is not saying his movie can compete with the likes of a Munich, or even Broken Yuk Mountain. He's simply trying to tell a story about a fathers fall from grace, an idea he had 30 plus years go thats now complete.

He cant be too wrong it made 380+ million in the US alone. Hence comes the Peoples Choice, and who are the people choosing? Its the fans. There one day in glory will be immediately surpassed by the Oscars and other awards.

The real awards are the people that luv the movie(s).

if u loved SW thats your own reward and your own memory. If u loved Broke Back, the same applies.


Good night, and good luck

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