Open Figure Drawing Workshop with Ron Eyre, Hong Ly and Rebeccak 011

[Rebeccak]

Originally Posted by zng-Y: aggie93 »aggie93 » i just saw u were embarrassed to post your work, WHY?? First of all, everybody has to learn. Second of all, like they told me, it's all for fun and study, so there is nobody who would bring you down with mean words or something.
So just keep the updates comming! :bounce:
Exactly! :bounce:

Originally Posted by Mr. Mu: I am embarrased to confess that I actually felt a lump in my throat when watching this and had to swallow in order to not have tears welling up.

This is so beautiful. And I feel so ashamed :scream:...

But, while the others could do me the favor of ignoring or at least forgetting my message, I thought it's only fair to tell you Rebecca - hope you finish this one.

By the way: PainterIX is on its way (hectic and nervous inquiries at my online dealer's hotline told me so) and might be just in time for the start of next OFDW. I thought I might open my own anatomy thread and do some thorough studies of everything I will have to do for the master copy - what do you think?

I am actually quite excited!
Mr. Mu, your comments on my work are so sweet. :) (You will be receiving that money I promised you in the mail shortly). ;) :scream:

Regarding your participation in the next OFDW, even if Painter doesn't arrive (and I'm crossing my fingers that it does) you can still use ArtRage to get started ~ though it can't compare with Painter, you can at least get a good start, then later open or import your file to Painter and continue from there. :)

With respect to your Anatomy Thread ~ I think that's a great idea! :bounce:We definitely support you on this. Looking forward to seeing it happen! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Ravena]

EricTheRed
Really fine sketches, looking forward to your further updates.

Mr.Mu
Thank you. :) (In der Nähe von Holzwicked. / Near Holzwickede. Woher kommst du?)

Amerasu
Make me happy about your praise, because it spurs. Thank you.

Mecha
I love the way you draw her eye, otherwise a clearly draw picture with
warm colors. Specially the red of her hair is wonderful. Great work!

Rebeccak
Puh, your work is very expressionful, impressing.

zng-Y
Very soft painting and I love the warm colors.

Here is my update:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/603/37tl.jpg

[EAD]

Rebeccak> OK OK, your obviously very attached to your beloved airbrush.. Go spritz your world with gently changing tones.:scream:

Andy *wanders off to try a persuade a lion to turn vegetarian"

[zng-Y]

Ravena » Kind words....can't handle them...i'm....melting! :D

Good start, now i would go from each part to an other and try to detail them!
Goodluck! :thumbsup:

[Ravena]

zng-Y
:arteest:
Yes, I will do, thank you. :) But in the moment I really jump from part to part, while I have problems with the shadows under her chests. Times they are too dark or too bright. Oje.

Ciao,
Ravena

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

You were right, I guess I didn't realize the artist was Bouguereau ~ such a different style from the rest of his work!

The painting we will be copying for the next OFDW 012 (which starts this Sunday) is linked >>here (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=7&page=6)<<: (Warning: slow site)

http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=7&page=6

William Bouguereau (1825-1905)
Dante et Virgile au Enfers
Translated title: Dante and Virgil in Hell
1850
Oil on canvas
110 5/8 x 88 1/2 inches (281 x 225 cm)

I have saved the image along with a few others to a drive in case it disappears from the website (which I doubt).

~~

Ravena,

Thank you! Nice progress! It's great to see such a diversity of work here. :) Looking forward to your next update!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[MechaHateChimp]

Mecha, you and Sara have amazing picts. Can I ask a stupid question? Since I have never done a CG pict, do you import the original picture into your picture and enhance it from there? I know that may be an insult to your artistic ability and I do not mean it that way. I just think the pictures are so refined they look almost real. You can PM your reply to not give any secrets away or just cuss me out live.

:shrug:

aggie93, I dont mind any one asking how I do my work ... I learned by asking and if you ever have any questions for me, I'd be more than happy to answer them... so please do not hesitate! :D

I normally work in PS using layers and several brushes. When painting, I have the photo reference next to me so I can use it as a gage for sizing my image as well as a direct color palette. I work large usually around 2500x3500 pixels which allows me the flexibility to add more detail to my image. I go back and forth, sizing the image and comparing it to the photo, working out composition and sizing issues as I go along. If I have problems where I cant seem to get the right size or dimension for a certain area, I will import the photo into a seperate layer drop the opacity and see where I am off. This helps tremendously if you get stuck and cant seem to work out the issues by just gaging it with your eyes alone.

http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-011_comparison.jpghttp://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-011_comparison.jpg

I try my best to paint my image as close as possible to the photo on my own but I dont worry too much if its not exact. Im only looking to get as close to it as I can... if a few things are off, thats ok :)

Heres a link to a flash sequence showing the overlapped comparison between the photo and the painting. You can see there are a few things where I am completely off on but again, it doesnt have to be perfect. The point is not to make a mirror image... the photo is there only as a guide:

Flash Comparison (http://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-11.swf)

As far as painting technique, I wouldnt say I really have a set technique. I like to experiment a lot so it depends on the illustration. For this last OFDW, I just layed down colors in Photoshop using a standard round brush that has a bit of an opacity fade as the stroke tapers off. I used an oily pallette knife in Painter to blend my rough edges and went back and forth between each program until I got what I was looking for. For the hair, I used a set of photoshop brushes created by Barontieri which he has made available for download at his site www.barontieri.com (http://www.barontieri.com)

I hope that helps a little and please feel free to pm me if you have any additional questions. I am always happy to help so please do not hesitate to ask!:arteest:- J

[Rebeccak]

Awesome, Mecha! :bounce:Thanks for that! I love the flash comparison, that's sweet!

Actually, I would love it if people asked questions here ~ as I think we will all benefit from the questions / answers.

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ..Rebecca...:)
THANKS...Thought I was loseing it for a moment there, wouldn't be the first time..LOL..:eek:

Don't have the strenth left in my typeing finger to tell everyone how impressed I am
by their work here. So I will just lump it into three words..:bounce: .GREAT JOB EVERYONE...:bounce:

Take Care...EVERYONE...AND SEE YOU ON THE NEXT ONE...:)
Glenn

[Mu]

(You will be receiving that money I promised you in the mail shortly).

Thanks. I accept payPal and cheques.
Artrage could actually do the job, but the painter the better...


Ravena - Ich wohne in Dortmund Mitte-Ost, nähe Ostpark (Ostfriedhof). Lustig, jemanden so ganz in der Nähe zu wissen. Vielleicht eröffnen wir ja die erste Bobby Chiu's Subway Sketch Gruppe Dortmund:scream:?

Mecha Hate Chimp - great and generous information. I love the Flash blendover! It actually shows the tremendous quality of your work, the likeness, the colour accuracy and the nice flow in the curves of the body! Great!
(If you're happy with my rave review consult Rebecca for payment details...:scream: )

[aggie93]

Hey thanks for the view inside the program. I understand we have at least one more week to work on the current thread? I have just a few more refinements to my pict and I am looking forward to the Master's version.

[eyrebrush]

Ron, thanks! One point to clarify, Hong Ly is the person (male) who takes the photos, not the model. :) I really hope that you don't give up as a model. For myself personally, I enjoy drawing men more than women, as there is much more muscle definition typically, depending on the model. And you have a Michelangelo~esque look which I think is difficult to find, plus an expressiveness as a model that is rare. I think you have real gifts as a model, and it would be a shame if you were to give those up. :)

I hope you can participate here when you can, but don't feel pressured to do so. We appreciate your contribution already, and anything else is just extra. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thanks for the encouragment, Rebecca. I'm HOPING to make a start on my drawing tomorrow of one of the images of the lady. I'm not sure as yes how I'm going to approach it.
Ronnie.

[Nendil]

Trying to focus on muscular structure with this one. Pretty rough right now, and I know the left shoulder/arm needs to slim down. Hopefully the proportions are okay-ish otherwise?

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4679/figure2b2pl.jpg

My background: I'm a computer science major who's close to graduating, and I'd like to go into the computer animation field. I'm very much hoping to go to an art school next to learn 3D skills, so right now I'm trying to work hard to put together a 2D portfolio that can get me into Gnomon (pleaseplease!) or SF Academy of Arts :D

I got most of my art training in high school, from a private tutor who graduated from China Academy of Art. I was trained in pencil, charcoal, oil, and other classical media, but these days my favorite tool is Painter 9 and my Wacom :) And since then I've been honing my skills by learning from digital art masters such as the ones who post here on CGTalk!

[Rebeccak]

Nendil,

Heyhey, welcome aboard, and thanks for telling us about yourself on this thread. :) It's always nice and interesting to hear. :) I interviewed at Gnomon, they seem like nice folks and let's try and get you into shape! The main thing that I would recommend (and I'm sure you know this) is to make sure to work at a reasonable enough resolution (300 dpi, appropriate size in inches) so that if you need to print your work out for presentation in a portfolio, you are able to do so. :)

Good start, I know from your last piece that you can paint, so let's see that update! And now, I'm off to bed. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[mark-jenkins]

I haven't been here for a few days so I have just had a quick catch up. So here goes:-

zng-Y Well done. Your finished image looks superb, beautiful colours.

Mecha wicked image. Great likeness.

RebeccaK I am really enjoying watching the model emerge in this image. P.S. Thanks for replying to my email, I am glad we got that sorted. :thumbsup:

SaraD You needn't have been nervous to post your final image here, it is gorgeous, I love the subtle colours.

Eric Good sketches, but I actually like the one that you say you spent less time on the most!

Ravena Good start, keep it up.


My original plan for this image was to work in greyscale as per my previous images for OFDW11 but try to be faster and looser. After I blocked in rough values I changed my mind and decided to work in colour instead. This has actually made this image my slowest yet!! Still a way to go yet, just thought I'd post an update. Any comments are welcome, ofcourse!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/marcoj_1971/figure/OFDW11-8.jpg

[Ravena]

Mr. Mu
Ravena - Ich wohne in Dortmund Mitte-Ost, nähe Ostpark (Ostfriedhof). Lustig, jemanden so ganz in der Nähe zu wissen. Vielleicht eröffnen wir ja die erste Bobby Chiu's Subway Sketch Gruppe Dortmund Ja, witzig. *g* Aber was in aller Welt ist ein Bobby Subway Sketch? :D

Marco J
Thank you. In your picture I see your own style, specially the eye. It's great, unusually, but I love it.

I think I'm ready with this, or anyone of you find big errors in my picture.
My eyes are screen-tired at the moment.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2942/1701fertig9wr.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Eek, another work day, no chance to look at images! :D

Marco J,

Good to see you back! :)

Ravena,

Looking forward to seeing your work soon! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

Aber was in aller Welt ist ein Bobby Subway Sketch? :D

Bobby Chiu ist ein begnadeter Zeichner und hat eine Gruppe gegründet, die sich Sonntags trifft um U-Bahn zu fahren und Skizzen zu machen. Die Idee hat bei vielen anderen gezündet, so dass es jetzt Subway Sketch Groups überall auf der Welt gibt.

hier zum Beispiel die London Subway Sketch Group (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=248939&highlight=subway+sketch)

Such mal nach Bobby Chiu und Subway Sketch auf ganz CGTalk, irgendwo ist auch noch ein Thread wo alle Fäden zusammenlaufen...

[public mode on:]
your painting came out great! - you should have seen my first OFDW pic... or rather not...!


If you can stand another round of refining I'd say make the arm she rests on stronger - it might be too thin, actually. There are some areas you might want to fill with deeper strokes of black because the background is shining through very slightly around her contour here and there.

[aggie93]

Ravena - Great work with the little time it appeared you spent on it.

[Ravena]

Mr. Mu
Your are right, her arm is hopefully better now: http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1679/1701fertig25tj.jpg
The rest I'll fix tomorrow.
(About her thin arm, that is because I didn't make the reference photo brighter, but painted what I saw. About the contour here and there: hm? the background is black and shines not through, so I paint this orange line while I saw this on the photo. But, yes, I should make still darker some there.)
[private mode on: ] I saw your website with a big smile because you are also a writer as I, in the genres SF and Fantasy.
And: nice idea from Bobby, sounds cool.

aggie93
Thank you. I have myself hurried because I thought, I would be otherwise the last one who finished here. :D Because my work to OFD 010 comes to late, I mean.

[aggie93]

OK Guys,

I downloaded Maya PLE and I am going to try my luck at this. Some questions I have is how do you get the hair so perfect? I haven't opened the application yet, but I am sure it is going to be difficult to learn.

[Rebeccak]

aggie93,

Hey, glad to hear you have gotten the Maya PLE. :)

I think, however, the OFDWs are not the place to discuss Maya issues ~ what I would recommend is to check out the Maya user's forum:

Alias/Autodesk Maya (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7

And, also you may wish to create your own Anatomy Thread here, and call it Anatomy Thread of aggie93 ~ to which you are welcome to post anything Anatomy~related, be it 2D or 3D. However, I would imagine that at this time you would be much better off getting direct Maya questions answered on the Maya forum. :)

Of course, you are also welcome to create 3D models based on the photographs here in the OFDWs.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

aggie93,

Hey, glad to hear you have gotten the Maya PLE. :)

I think, however, the OFDWs are not the place to discuss Maya issues ~ what I would recommend is to check out the Maya user's forum:

Alias/Autodesk Maya (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7

And, also you may wish to create your own Anatomy Thread here, and call it Anatomy Thread of aggie93 ~ to which you are welcome to post anything Anatomy~related, be it 2D or 3D. However, I would imagine that at this time you would be much better off getting direct Maya questions answered on the Maya forum. :)

Of course, you are also welcome to create 3D models based on the photographs here in the OFDWs.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak - Thanks again for your headsup! I will start my own thread as well as check out the other forum.

I will test my skills with some picts like what has been in the OFDWs. I know I probably won't be trying the next one using the computer. However, I will be drawing it. It will be the most complex drawing I have done.

[Mu]

Ravena:

the arm is spot on now!:thumbsup:

About the contour here and there: hm? the background is black and shines not through, so I paint this orange line while I saw this on the photo. But, yes, I should make still darker some there.)

this sounds as if you maybe have different gamma settings on your monitor and don't see the things as clearly on your monitor as I do on mine...?
I adjusted contrast and lightness on a crop of your image, hope you don't mind...

there's these spots around the arm which seem to have been left over from cutting in from the negative space or are maybe remains of smudging and similar things.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9859/ravenascreenie0ca.jpg

See?



[private mode on: ] I saw your website with a big smile because you are also a writer as I, in the genres SF and Fantasy.

Isn't it always strange and exciting how things coincide?:)


And: nice idea from Bobby, sounds cool.
Yea - maybe, some time this year we'll just give it a go and be co-founders of our towns subway sketch group? At the moment I suck too bad at quick sketching, though (ouch... that might just be a reason to do it...)
We could pm each other about it, if we felt it was time...:))

[Rebeccak]

aggie93,

No problem! Bear in mind that I get the Hong Ly photographs from his website,

http://www.characterdesigns.com/

He updates the photos regularly (on a weekly / bi~weekly basis) and are free to artists to use as Reference.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

aggie93,

No problem! Bear in mind that I get the Hong Ly photographs from his website,

http://www.characterdesigns.com/

He updates the photos regularly (on a weekly / bi~weekly basis) and are free to artists to use as Reference.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

I actually found this site before yours. I was using his photos about a month before I started posting on your site. His site is how I found yours.

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by aggie93: I actually found this site before yours. I was using his photos about a month before I started posting on your site. His site is how I found yours.
Sweet! Thanks for letting me know that. :) The internet is a small world, after all! :D Great to know that people are finding us that way!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Ravena]

Mr. Mu
Oops, I can't see it on my monitor. :argh:
this sounds as if you maybe have different gamma settings on your monitor and don't see the things as clearly on your monitor as I do on mine...? I think it's a gamma-settings problem.
I adjusted contrast and lightness on a crop of your image, hope you don't mind... Thank you, I'm happy because you show me the mistake.
there's these spots around the arm which seem to have been left over from cutting in from the negative space or are maybe remains of smudging and similar things. Cutting in negative space? I don't know what you mean. And no, I don't smudge. :D Perhaps it is because of the fact that I set the color mode to CMYK? And then for saving it as JPG I copy my picture, lay it in same size with RGB mode. Hm? I don't know. I must play with gamma settings.
Yea - maybe, some time this year we'll just give it a go and be co-founders of our towns subway sketch group? At the moment I suck too bad at quick sketching, though (ouch... that might just be a reason to do it...)
We could pm each other about it, if we felt it was time... Yessss. Me too. My quick sketches are as it were illegible. :D
Thank you for your help.

[Mu]

Cutting in negative space?

With this I mean changing the contour - not by extending the body with its colour, but making the body thinner by cutting in with the background colour.

Yessss. Me too. My quick sketches are as it were illegible. :D

some fine sketches we will have in our thread then! People will wonder just where in the solar system we got on the train:scream:

Bobby Chiu's Coruscant Subway Sketch Group!

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by Mr. Mu: Bobby Chiu's Coruscant Subway Sketch Group! :curious:
adj.() Giving forth flashes of light; glittering. :D (Doh!) :D

[Mu]

:curious:
adj.() Giving forth flashes of light; glittering. :D (Doh!) :D

Ok this took me about five minutes of staring at the monitor in bewilderment before I realized that the name of the empire's capital in episodes I-III is actually based on an english adjective...

Woman, it is too late for me to figure these things out around here!

I am halfway in bed.:scream:

So, erm, what did you want to point out with your post?:curious:


:scream:

[Ravena]

Mr. Mu
Ah, I have understand (hope so). *g*
After changed the gamma attitude I hope, this is better?

EDIT: update 18.01. after more clean up the lines
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/7667/1801fertig8001vw.jpg

[Mu]

Oh yes, much better - I can only see the slightest little pale shadow at her shoulder, now.

I don't think you need to fix it, as the painting is absolutely beautiful as it is (esp. face likeness and her right hand!), but you should make sure you adjust your monitor before you do something you might want to print or something...

Looking forward to what you will be doing for the next OFDW (master copy)!

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and everyone
Refined progportions mostly and studied musculature more closely
Keeping brush stroke look.
No blending or smoothing
#1 Colors I'm working with as I paint it
#2 and #3 Are light and color studies
Using light to emphasize face, hands and upper torso.
And using shadow to push the lower torso back into space.
Next will refine face hands etc.
But want to keep this figure loose and airy.
Don't want to kill the motion by refining it too much
Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_8.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_9.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_10.jpg

[MechaHateChimp]

Thanks. I accept payPal and cheques.
Artrage could actually do the job, but the painter the better...

Mecha Hate Chimp - great and generous information. I love the Flash blendover! It actually shows the tremendous quality of your work, the likeness, the colour accuracy and the nice flow in the curves of the body! Great!
(If you're happy with my rave review consult Rebecca for payment details...:scream: )


LOL - Thanks Mr. Mu! BTW, I tried out Artrage yesterday. Did you write the software? If so , thats hella impressive! Its similar to the feel of Painter. I didnt get a chance to do too much with it but I am going to see if I can come up with a small illustration using just Artrage. Im also in the process of checking out OpenCanvas... Ive been on this kick lately trying out different software to see if there are things in them that would compliment how I work. Anyhow, thank you for your words and the nice post on my Finished 2D thread.. talk later :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Update...:D flipped, this time:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20011/ron_19.jpg

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[MechaHateChimp]

Damn Rebecca,that looks incredible. The softness you have on your edges while still maintaining sharpness is beautiful. Obviously the entire image is breathtaking but the way you put together the area from the delt, the underneath the tricep and bicep, and finally up to the elbow is rock solid. The expression on his face too... its just got so much weight to it. This is definitely going to come out unbelievable. Nothing but praise from me :bowdown:

[Rebeccak]

Awww, thanks, Mecha! :)

I appreciate your comments. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

Did you write the software?


No.... errr... NO! :surprised



I just use it, man!:scream:

I did use artrage for OFDW10, btw and it was great as I do not have any other software that can handle bigger resolution that good on my machine!

OpenCanvas I use only to watch WPE-files of artists I like.

Another definite recommendation is Artweaver (http://www.artweaver.de), which emulates closely the way Painter sets up its brushes. You can even capture dabs! I created a bunch of watercolor brushes for that software which came out very fine, I believe.

I have seen zhuzhu and Gord MacDonald use Artweaver - give it a go.

But judging from the quality of your work you are one of those people who can use just about anything and produce highly pleasing results.:curious:

Which reminds me of this wonderful sketch (comedian sketch, I mean) I once saw where a Pollock-esque modern painter is trying to teach Rembrandt how to "let go of it all" and just blot the canvas with color randomly and Rembrandt is trying hard - but after each swing of his arm there's another accidential masterpiece on the canvas until both of them stare at the canvas, bewildered...
Rembrandt:"I just can't do it!"

:scream:

Some people just can't go wrong...

[Mu]

Rebecca



....

I am at a loss for words

it's coming out okayish, I guess...kindalike

[Lemog]

Thanks forthe info Mr.Mu about Artweaver... I take a tour on the site, and effectively, this software appear very interesting... I will test is soon... thanks :thumbsup:



Beckie -> mmmmmmmmmmmmmh... I really love this style (again...)... and flipped, that works again... very good point :buttrock: nothing to crit, just waiting for more...



Glenn -> the latest tests are really interesting... already a good feeling with the suggered first one... and I like the burned third... great way :bounce:

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

Thank you ~ *chuckles* :)

Lolo,

Thanks :) ~ hoping to finish this one...as always, *hoping* :scream:

Cheers, :wavey:

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Lolo,

Thanks :) ~ hoping to finish this one...as always, *hoping* :scream:

Always the case of many people... hoping and find time :scream: :twisted:

...actually, I've the odd feel that my actual OFDW will be never finished... don't know why... just hoping too... find time... and finish before...

:D hahahaha... life is not always quiete and fine with us :deal:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ....Rebecca...:)
Am really really enjoying and likeng the progress on this last work of yours.
Very strong technique going there...really capturing a nice mood and emotion...:thumbsup:
If I were to suggest anything on this one, it would be to make his legs stronger looking,
to go with his upper half more.
I think your about ready to start that painting of the ..MEDICI TOMB now..LOL!!......:eek: :bounce:


Lemog....THANK YOU...:)
Putting him in a painting...will post it here tonight..

Take Care
Glenn

[Lemog]

I think your about ready to start that painting of the ..MEDICI TOMB now..LOL!!......:eek: :bounce:
That will be a great news so far :wip:

[Llynna]

hey guys n girls, im back again, if anyone remembers me ;P

i did this sketch in app 15 minutes, its not without flaws but im quite satisfied and its not digital^^. im trying to do more sketching.... so

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/Llynna/fdw11.jpg



@rebecca; nice feeling in you piece above!

[Rebeccak]

Llynna,

Great to see you back! :arteest:Whereya been? :)

Thanks for the compliment on my work. Hoping you can join us more often!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[mark-jenkins]

Okay this is as finished as it is going to get I think. I am looking forward to OFDW12, I am very excited by the reference and a little bit scared as I have never attempted anything on this kind of scale before. :argh: but I guess the whole point is to push yourself further so I am relishing the challenge! Rebecca, I was wondering if we are actually allowed to start now, I don't know about anybody else but I am itching to start...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/marcoj_1971/figure/OFDW11-9.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Marco J,

Stole a quick look at your painting, it looks beautiful! :) As regards starting, I'd really prefer it if we all started at the same time :D ~ I think what makes the OFDWs work is that we're all on the same timeframe and working together ~ it's fun to see how people progress. :) So, if you cannnnnnn wait...:D ~ please do. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[mark-jenkins]

Hi Rebecca,
Thanks for the quick reply. Okay that is fine. In that case I shall practice some male anatomy with one of Ron's poses until OFDW12 begins!!

[Rebeccak]

Marco J,

No prob! Sweet, thanks for understanding!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[zng-Y]

Beccy » Are we going to start this monday copying the masterpainting? I'm sooo looking forward, will be daaammnnn hard, but fun!

[Rebeccak]

zng-Y,

Heya, we're going to start late Sunday night (it's 10:45 am here my time).

A great little free app which tells you the time anywhere you set it in the world is Qlock:

http://www.download.com/Qlock/3000-2350_4-10446834.html?tag=lst-0-1

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Llynna]

some update before i ruin it all while doing the face ;P

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/Llynna/fsw12.jpg

@becca: i will try to be here more regular, had some personal stuff to sort out n some university stuff to do, the courses about architecture are quite demanding.



@marco: wow, thats a really good one :) nice colours n mood.

[Rebeccak]

Llynna,

Of course, no worries, we're just glad to have you back! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

aggie93, I dont mind any one asking how I do my work ... I learned by asking and if you ever have any questions for me, I'd be more than happy to answer them... so please do not hesitate! :D

I normally work in PS using layers and several brushes. When painting, I have the photo reference next to me so I can use it as a gage for sizing my image as well as a direct color palette. I work large usually around 2500x3500 pixels which allows me the flexibility to add more detail to my image. I go back and forth, sizing the image and comparing it to the photo, working out composition and sizing issues as I go along. If I have problems where I cant seem to get the right size or dimension for a certain area, I will import the photo into a seperate layer drop the opacity and see where I am off. This helps tremendously if you get stuck and cant seem to work out the issues by just gaging it with your eyes alone.

http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-011_comparison.jpg


How did you set up the image next to your drawing?

[Rebeccak]

aggie93,

I don't know if Mecha did something special or not, but you can just open the Reference image in Painter (or Photoshop) and place it next to your painting image.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

some update before i ruin it all while doing the face ;P

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/Llynna/fsw12.jpg

@becca: i will try to be here more regular, had some personal stuff to sort out n some university stuff to do, the courses about architecture are quite demanding.



@marco: wow, thats a really good one :) nice colours n mood.

Hello Llynna, I noticed you are using traditional methods. What are you using actually, pencil, pen, etc? Looks great!

[Lemog]

Really beautiful Mark... especially her very expressive face, with lot of personality... of course, the rest is really pleasant too... 5 thumbs for you :thumbsup: x5

[audit]

uh, I'm so late getting to this workshop, sorry. it's been a while since I had enough free time to participate again (ironically now I'm back at uni :D). Hm, well this is just a start, it's not quite accurate yet.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Figure13a.jpg

I will try to do as much as I can before OFDW12.
-audit

[Lemog]

Britta -> really nice to see your work... as always :thumbsup: the face now... :scream:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Started working on the face today. Got tired after a couple hours of staring at details and
decided to play a little.
Practicing composition and motion.
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_11.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/zhuhu_combo_2.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_13.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Interesting combinations, Glenn! :)

Update...not sure which version I like better ~ the first one is the latest, though now I like the previous (second) version...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20011/ron_20.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20011/ron_20_B.jpg

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

LOOOKING GOOD..as CHICO would say...and getting BETTER every time I ..SEE IT..:)

Rebecca...:thumbsup:

# 2 is stronger...would be my pick....looks good enough to be in the MEDICI TOMB..seriously..

Has that ONENESS about it...don't know what it is, but I know it when I ...SEE IT ..

Take Care
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

Thanks for the feedback. :) I don't agree about the Medici tomb, however, :p still trying to get the feel of traditional work in there, and it's coming along, but not really there yet. Will keep plugging away. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Rebecca
You might want to add a vein or two on his legs and feet..under and around ankles ect.
will add stress and strength to pose maybe..just a thought..

Take Care
Glenn

[Lemog]

Good morning my second family :wavey:


The #2 is better for me too Beckie... in the first, there's too much contrast of tones between face and body... about tones, that works really better on the second... in this case, with your style and the subject, cold tones are of course welcome.


Glenn... -> the composition is veru original and pleasant, just one thing disturb me... the girl's face at the top-right, she appear a little deformated...
In other style, really like the simple compositing with the 2 men... that give us something mystic.

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

Thank you :) ~ I think this piece really needs a lot of work, and I'm starting to experiment more with painter...this piece is about to take an entirely different direction.

Morning, Lolo ~ :)

Thank you for the comments and feedback, it's quite useful...I really see what you mean. :)

Am reworking this piece quite a bit as I am not happy with it...I really think I am a better expressive painter than I am a render~er ~ and Painter and I are getting along this morning, so I'm going to give that a run and see how it goes. :)

[Rebeccak]

Okay, trying a completely different approach...I'm a late bloomer when it comes to Painter, but it definitely agrees with me...while this is in a rough state, I feel a lot better about the general direction the painting is going in...so we'll experiment a bit and see.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20011/ron_22.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20011/ron_23.jpg

[Vidar3d]

Another meager update. I really want to start adding color here but am forcing myself to finish the drawing and underpainting. If nothing else, I am trying to remain disciplined. Keep up the good work.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw/11c.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Vidar3d,

Hey, nice update! I definitely recommend keeping up the discipline...things fall apart later if you don't...I should know! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[eyrebrush]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Started working on the face today. Got tired after a couple hours of staring at details and
decided to play a little.
Practicing composition and motion.
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_11.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/zhuhu_combo_2.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_13.jpg

Wow! I was wondering what you were going to do with me! lol. What a fantastic composition! Like the way you're incorporating all the previous models. I make a good sherub! Hehe. Excellent, Glen. I've been looking at the close up of my face; it has a lovely 'painterly' technique. Love the colours in the paint strokes. I also love the two images superimposed over each other with one looking much fresher and brighter in colour.

Ronnie.

[zng-Y]

Becca » I realy like this picture so far. The sharpness of his right arm/shoulder is sooo NEAT :D

Vidar3d » Maybe the painting could use a bit more contrast. And keep up the discipline indeed :D Nice update, keep up the good work!

Spirit Dreamer » Are those all yours? WOW amazing work! I like seeing you play around with that image, realy intresting to look at! Keep them comming :bounce:

audit » Wow awesome details on that arm! :bounce:

[Mu]

Rebecca - :eek: You have guts to go for a completely different look that far in your process! Seems that Painter supports these kinds of creative outbreaks...

*skin takes on the slightest green hue*

Well, you know I was fascinated before, but now you just have to finish this. Someone call SaraD - we need to give you a good treat of old-fashioned democracy for this!:scream:


Vidar3D - I like the expression on the face! Very pretty.

[Lemog]

Really good test... this style is a good way... I can only push you is this way... so stylishious :scream: :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

zng-Y,

Thanks! :) Still lots of work to go...we'll see if I get there! :scream:

Mr. Mu,

Heh, the beauty of digital is that I still have my old version ;) should my creativity streak run out. Re: Painter ~ Patience, daniel~san. :wise: :scream:

Lolo,

Ha! I know you're thinking 'what the heck is she doing'? :scream: Luckily, I still have my old layers. :D But it is too much fun to experiment without penalty. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SaraD]

I´m actually doing some doodling with one of the other poses, but this time in a composition, and not he whole naked figure, but more the gesture :) We´ll see where it will lead me
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/011b_001.JPG

[SpiritDreamer]

Rett...ENJOY seeing your improvements. As usual , this one is markedly better than the last.
How is your ATLAS project coming along...great I hope..would like to see the WIP in your
thread..

Rebecca...GREAT WORKS ARE SOMETIMES BORN FROM FRUSTATION...:bounce:
You might try useing the BASIC ROUND BRUSH set in the VELOCITY mode, ..make brush
big and wide...will give you the POWERFUL BRUSH STROKE your seeking, I think.
Brush can be found in the TINTING BRUSH section.. PAINTER ...:)

LEMOG... GOOD MORNING...:)
Thank you so much for pointing out that distortion to me. I can see it clearly this morning
with fresh eyes. Think she got put through the stretching machine one too many times LOL :eek:
I was mainly just concerned with composition, preparing my mind for the #12 painting.
Alot of circular motion in that one.
THANKS AGAIN ...LEMOG..:thumbsup:

THANK YOU ... ZNG-Y...:)
YES they are all mine...flowers too..
Never got around to telling you.I think your figure came out GREAT..SHE GLOWS...NICE..:thumbsup:


RON....You don't know how good you just made me feel...THANKS A MILLION for the
feedback...
I seriously hope you don't give up modeling, because you are a.. GREAT... model...:thumbsup:
You give us very expressive poses to work from. the kind of poses that can only
come from the WISDOM OF AGE,.. and the EXPERIENCE of.. A LIFETIME IN ART..
Thanks again RON and i'm really glad you are enjoying my little creations.
I'M starting to have fun and am getting a lot of enjoyment and pleasure from this
MAGICAL THING called.. ART...........FINALLY...LOL!!:)

SaraD...:thumbsup:

Take Care ..EVERY= ONE
Glenn

[zng-Y]

Spirit Dreamer » Awesome work (again) and thanks for the huge compliment (from someone who can paint that good!) :buttrock::D

Becca » ohhh you will :thumbsup:

[Comlock]

wow, that looks great Rebeccak!

quick sketches. 5-12 on each pose.
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6040/life1901068nj.png

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

Thanks for the tip! :thumbsup:

zng-Y,

Hopefully! :scream:

Comlock,

Great to see you back! :) Can't look at your work atm, but looking forward to seeing yours and SaraD's later today.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SaraD]

I know it´s figure in focus here, but I thought I´d show you the way I use the pose in a composition.

As usual some great work here:) I´ll look them through more carefully when I have the time (tomorrow at work :eek:) and comment where I have something to say!
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/011b_002.jpg

[EricTheRed]

SaraD --

I really like what you're doing by trying to ad clothing/costumes where there aren't any as direct reference. I understand that you are still working on this so i apologize if i am jumping the gun... but i can't help but feel that the skirt is a bit flat. I think you have done a great job of capturing the depth within the wrinkles and folds, but it seems like the overall shape of the skirt -- a distorted cone -- is lacking in depth.

I hope you don't mind, but i took your image and projected it onto a rough (very rough) 3D skirt that I made based off your piece. After puting some lights on it, the overall form shadows become much more dramatic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/ChrysDives/CGTalk-OFDW/SaraD-demo.jpg

Also, the amount of flare in the lower half of the skirt does not seem to match the positioning of the model's legs... But I realize you may be going for a period dress and that may be the style (silly hoop skirts ;-)). All in all, though, I really like the cleanness of your style and again, i appluad your bravery in not sticking strictly to the references.

[SaraD]

Hi Eric - I don´t mind at all that you "jump the gun", it´s just fun and inspirational to see what other people want to do with your work...
And you are quite right, there is a LOT left on the skirt. I´ve just put down the basic shadows/highlights and are far from ready (it´s only half the dress for example). I hope you´ll like the form and shape of the finished dress better :)

Thanks for taking your time though - appreciated!

[eyrebrush]

Rebecca: I'm sorry I don't seem to be responding much to your work. With so many interuptions and distractions since I got up this morning it took me about five hours to write a message here regarding the progression of your work. It was quite long, because there was a lot I wanted to say! Then, I ckicked the submit button, and a window came up saying "Site cannot be found"! It took me a moment or two before I realized I'd LOST everything I'd written! I felt crushed and very very angry! I'm afraid I gave up. I couldn't start rethinking the whole thing out again, and in any case I had to go out. I've been modelling for two separate life drawing classes all evening since five o'clock.

It's gone midnight here now, so I haven't much time; I'm up every morning at half five! Just putting it all into a nutshell, all I wanted to say is that I'm enthralled with the way your painting is going. I have mixed feelings about it. Sufficient to say that I'm glad to hear that your original progression has been saved. I was growing more and more excited about the way it was developing - especially since you started introducing colour. Having said that, I'm equally intrigued with your new progression! As you know, I am of the 'old school' :) and love using and experimenting with all the 'traditional' media. I am a firm believer that an artist's personal character and emotion, as well as his/her personal 'feel' of a particular medium filters through in their work. At the present moment in time I'm inclined to believe that working digitally DOES induce one to strive to faithfully reproduce the resourse image. However, I AM open to presuasion! :thumbsup: I have been greatly impressed, especially, with glenn's use of present day's advanced digital technology to simulate traditional brushwork, and also with the work of Enrico, Rett and Burona.

I am really looking foreward, Becc, to seeing how the new direction you've taken with this develops. One thing I must say about all your work is that it bears your own personal hall-mark. All your drawings are strong and powerfull, and seem to add so much more drama than the model's original image! It's obviously the result of your profound knowledge of the internal structure of the human body.

I'm intrigued by this software that you and others are trying out, "Painter nine"? Is it a Coral product? I'm wondering if it is of the same series as the Coral product I have. I use Coral Draw and Coral Paint ELEVEN. I'm using it all the time, although not for the same purposes. I'm only scratching the surface with their facilities.

Ronnie.

[Rebeccak]

Ronnie,

Thank you so much for the really kind remarks. :) It's really nice to hear your feedback, particularly as you are in the unique position of being both experienced model and experienced artist. Thank you. :)

I am so sorry to hear about your losing your message ~ this used to happen to me all the time when I first started surfing this website ~ the key thing I've learned to remember is that the server backs up, and also that at just random times, you might happen to lose your text ~ so the thing I now ALWAYS do ~ for every post ~ is to copy my text before posting ~ even if it's just on the computer's clipboard (ie not pasted to anything yet). Then if something goes wrong, (which it does sometimes) I can paste it back into the CGTalk text editor, or into a separate application like Notepad / Wordpad or Microsoft Word (basically, any text app).

I hope this helps, and I am truly sorry for the fact that you lost your text ~ I know how that feels! Just remember to copy and paste (especially if your post is a long one) so as not to lose valuable time and effort.

For me here on the East Coast of the US, the server backs up twice ~ 11:00-11:30 pm and 12:00-12:45 am. I NEVER post anything during that time ~ as I will either end up creating double~posts, or losing text.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[MechaHateChimp]

Finally had a chance to sit down and view everyone's work. Great work everyone! I have to say this is by far my favorite forum to interact in :)

Ravena - Your last image looks great! I love the way you captured her facial expression and the detail in the hair. I would maybe adjust your levels to add a bit more contrast between your light and dark areas but it is coming along great :)

Marco J - Great work man! You can tell you put a lot of work into this OFDW.. the detailing on hand, sword, and face is awesome.

Spirit Dreamer - I enjoy your work very much, especially seeing the OFDW painted and composed from a different aspect. I applaud your experimentation, it is very refreshing to see.

audit - Better late than never :scream: ... looking great so far!

Rebecca - Yes! You alkready know Im a huge fan of your work but I love the route you took on your last update. I cant wait to see where you go from here. Outstanding work! :buttrock:

Vidar3D - I know what you mean about staying focused. Just keep at it, your image is coming along nicely :)

Comlock - Wonderful sketches man, especially in the short time you created them. Great work!

SaraD - Lovely dress and impressive considering you have no direct reference. BTW, do you watch Project Runway? Saw tonights episode... will someone get rid of Santino already? :scream:

[Rebeccak]

Mecha,

Great comments, thanks! :thumbsup: Thank you for your encouraging words on my piece. :) It's also really cool that this is your favorite forum...I have to say the same. :D Too many cool artists to name! :bounce:

LOL...I love how the OFDWs can encompass everything from Maya PLE to Project Runway! :scream:

Will post some more comments soon...but I agree with you, some tremendous work here by everyone, and I love the mix of digital and traditional! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Argh, another update before I crash out...:D

Compromised by sampling the colors I liked better from the more loose, painterly piece...while retaining the darker, and greenish cast to the original piece. Also adjusted some of the gesture of the pose. Still working...:D

I think in the future, I'll make small color studies in Painter first...I seem to be more inspired color~wise in Painter than PS...could be just psychological, because of the texture and 'feel' of real paint, I dunno...:)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20011/ron_24.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

I'm intrigued by this software that you and others are trying out, "Painter nine"? Is it a Coral product? I'm wondering if it is of the same series as the Coral product I have. I use Coral Draw and Coral Paint ELEVEN. I'm using it all the time, although not for the same purposes. I'm only scratching the surface with their facilities.

Hi Ron,

When you say Corel Paint I think you are referring to Paint Shop Pro? I don't actually know what that app does.

But,

Here is a link to Corel's Painter IX website (http://www.corel.com/painterix/home/index.html)

and a little tutorial about the artist's oil colours included in PainterIX (http://www.corel.com/painterix/training/tutorial_artists_oils.html)

as an example, because this is a new feature most people freak out about.

I think Painter is best suited for people who started in traditional media as the behaviour of the tools is very close to their natural counterparts.

There are over 400 variants of natural media drawing tools from all kinds of chalks over several kinds of watercolor to inks pencils and acrylics (and oils of course). You can decide how much paint is put on the canvas and you can influence the way this paint is carried away by following brushstrokes. Actually you can influence all kinds of parameters to make the tools do what you want. Or you can just leave it as it is and start being creative right away...

Hmmm, I just realized there's no point in me telling you all this. There's a 30 days trial (http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel3/Downloads/Trials). You need to register with your email, though. But, beware. It is one of those trials which leaves you with a desperate and irrational desire for a product you did not need before you started the trial:scream:

Have fun!

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and everyone
Worked on face this morning
starting to refine features
trying to get Ron's expression
A tricky one but a nice one for sure
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_11_RON_FLYING_11.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/MODEL_1_RON_FLYING_15.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Guys,

Sorry to put this here, but it may be useful:

(http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3346&page=) CGS Feature Article - Drawing Lessons: Opposing Curves - by Rebecca Kimmel (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3346&page=)
http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3346&page= (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3346&page=)

Hope you can check it out! :wavey:The tut is taken from work I've done for OFDW 002 and WIP from this very thread. :) Thanks to Ronnie for allowing me to use his image. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

GREAT TO SEE YOU GETTING THE EXPOSURE YOU REALLY DESERVE...REBECCA..:arteest: :bowdown: :thumbsup: And speaking of exposure...What's up with that black box, over RON'S CURVES...LOL!!;) :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

Thank you, and LOL! :scream: I did ask Ron if it was ok to do that, but since people may be viewing the article at work, I felt it was necessary to add the silly box since folks may not be aware of what they're about to see. Thanks to Ronnie, for understanding. :)

Thanks for the support, Glenn! :wavey:

Now, I've gotta go register for school...:D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Whaouw... Perfect Beckie... real pleasure to discover this short but great and interesting article :arteest: :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Lolo,

Thanks so much...really means a lot coming from you. :) :wavey:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Beckie... in first, when I saw the title... I don't really understand "opposing curves" seem for me very obscur... but when I watch these pages... all comes lightened, clear... rich to share :arteest:

[Rebeccak]

Lolo,

Thanks so much...that means a lot to me. :) :love:

Cheers, :)

~"Beckie" :scream: :cool:

[aggie93]

I am looking forward to the next Worshop!

[Vidar3d]

Great article Rebecca, nice to see you getting some "props" for all of your effort.

Another update, I trying to make a concerted effort to tighten up the drawing and rendering of the lower legs as I usually keep the lower legs and feet pretty soft and loose. I am to start coloring tonight like a madman.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw/11d.jpg

[Mu]

Vidar3D - this is making the whole pic rest on a solid and deeply rooted pillar! Really great work on the foot!
:bowdown:

[SpiritDreamer]

HI ..Rett :)
Put your fingers on your ankle bones...notice that the finger on the inside bone is alot
higher than the finger on the outside bone...that angle is off on the foot your working on.
in your painting...don't get it confused with the heel in you painting.
Other than that, it's looking great...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Mu]

notice that the finger on the inside bone is alot
higher than the finger on the outside bone...that angle is off on the foot your working on.

wow, Eagle Eye Glenn. Fascinating little "experiment"...

I am sitting here at my desk following instructions from the web to touch my ankles:scream:

Maybe I need a holiday?:scream:

[SpiritDreamer]

LOL !! ...MR MU...;)
Same thing applies to the wrist, depending on the motion of the hand...put your
fingers, one on ether side of your wrist bones, and move your hand from side to side
and you'll see what I mean....but the ankle is more fixed in place, and the angle will
never change..always lower on the outside, and higher on the inside...just a couple
of many key features to keep in mind when depiting the human form...also true for a lot
of other critters too.:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by Vidar3d: Great article Rebecca, nice to see you getting some "props" for all of your effort.
Thanks very much! :) Really appreciate your comments. :wavey:
Great progress so far! :wip: Really like the way the whole figure is progressing, and the left foot is starting to look beautiful...definitely looking forward to your next update. I'm really impressed with the speed with which you are improving...keep up the great work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[audit]

Hi all

Here is 'Phase 2': finished arm+head, upper body/armpit etc. still to work on. hair was very labour-intensive and still not finished :argh:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Figure13b.jpg

i feel inspired to complete it :D

-audit

---PS Rebecca: I read your article - it was very interesting. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the relationship between opposing curves and chiaroscuro - i suppose opposing curves is really a contour technique whereas chiaroscuro is for defining internal form...? (if it's a stupid question please tell me!)

[Rebeccak]

audit...

WOW!!! :bounce::arteest:That's beautiful! Can't wait to see this one finished...:D

Great work!!! :thumbsup: Be sure to save your stages for a Tutorial later...:D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by audit: ---PS Rebecca: I read your article - it was very interesting. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the relationship between opposing curves and chiaroscuro - i suppose opposing curves is really a contour technique whereas chiaroscuro is for defining internal form...? (if it's a stupid question please tell me!)
Audit, that's not a stupid question at all...I think it's a really good one. Actually, I've never thought about it in quite those terms ~ generally I think of Opposing Curves in terms of the Drawing, but of course you want them to come through in the finished result, the Painting, as well. Basically, you want your chiarascuro, or whatever form of lighting/definition of form through light and shadow, to work harmoniously with the Opposing Curves / Contour you've used to define your form. This is a bit different with traditional / digital drawing than it is with traditional / digital painting ~ with drawing, particularly with traditional drawing, getting the interior shading to harmonize with the exterior contour (composed of Opposing Curves) is difficult, to put it mildly.

Michelangelo is probably the best at getting the two to harmonize...

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/m/michelangelo/tempt.jpg

http://www.michelangelo.nl/images/laurentius2.jpg
http://www.michelangelo.nl/images/laurentius2.jpg

http://www.grf.hr/kultura/_priprema/predodzbe/lik-1/renesansa-rokoko/visoka%20renesansa/michelangelo.png
http://www.grf.hr/kultura/_priprema/predodzbe/lik-1/renesansa-rokoko/visoka%20renesansa/michelangelo.png

http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/KainE/Art172/images/michelangelo/painting/creation.jpg
http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/KainE/Art172/images/michelangelo/painting/creation.jpg

http://daphne.palomar.edu/mhudelson/WorksofArt/13HighRen/3253.jpg
http://daphne.palomar.edu/mhudelson/WorksofArt/13HighRen/3253.jpg

http://www.wsu.edu:8000/wciv/b/ba/bai/bai49.jpg
http://www.wsu.edu:8000/wciv/b/ba/bai/bai49.jpg

http://homepage3.nifty.com/kenkitagawa1/Michelangelo-Night.jpg
http://homepage3.nifty.com/kenkitagawa1/Michelangelo-Night.jpg

Sorry had to run out, but getting back to what I was talking about earlier, the last thing that you want in a piece is for the interior of the form to make no sense with the exterior. You want the two to complement one another ~ in kind of a complex sort of braid. Where one form ends, another must begin, all the way throughout the figure. This sort of interrelationship between the interior and the exterior of the form is not exactly easy to achieve, and I don't think that the digital medium makes it a lot easier ~ you have to have the underlying knowledge of form and also an understanding of drawing as distinct from anatomy to make it all work. I struggle the most with this myself in my traditional drawings ~ it's not easy, and I certainly don't claim to have mastered this. But the fun part is in trying...I feel like I learn more and more with each drawing. Digital work is newer to me, so in a way it's like learning all over again. However, the same principles certainly apply to digital as well as to traditional art.

Hope this helps. :)



Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Vidar3d]

Glen - Thanks for the suggestion in the structure of the ankle area. I think that was a case of drawing without really looking at what I was seeing.

Mr. MUMU - Thanks for the kind words.

Rebecca/Audit - Great question and great response. I learned a lot from that exchange. I am curious to see how all the work I have been doing digitally will effect what I do traditionally. I am toying with the idea of doing the next workshop in oil paint and then taking digital photos of my progress just to see if I can see what kinds of improvements may or may not have occured and what lessons I can cross-apply.

Here is my update from tonight:http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw/11e.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Vidar3d,

Wow, once again I am hugely impressed with your progress...this colorized version is lovely, and the attention paid to the tonalities of the background drapery as it relates to the foreground figure is quite nice...I also like the well~handled shift in perspective from the top of the figure to the feet...all~round, this has progressed beautifully! :applause:

The one minor crit I would have would be for her right arm and hand...which look a bit more flat in comparison to the body and face, which appear quite volumetric. The shadow area around her right shin might also be lightened with just a touch more reflected light to distinguish her leg from the background...but apart from these minor things, I think overall this is a really nice piece, and I look forward to seeing what you will do for the next! :)

Glad the information re: opposing curves / chiarascuro was helpful. Thanks to audit for the really good question! :)

Regarding using oil paints for the next OFDW ~ you are more than welcome to do so! I think it would be great to see that here ~ a few people have done that in the past, and I certainly wouldn't mind at all if more people did so. :) The structure of the OFDW series is really based on my recollection of the live painting and drawing Workshops I attended in school, and there of course we were working traditionally (though the term 'of course' may not apply today :)) so I am more than happy to see Traditional work done here for these OFDWs. The only concern I have is time, but frankly, in school we were given about the same amount of time to do Master Copies, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem...the goal is to understand Drawing, Composition, and Color, and not to produce a carbon copy of the original ~ so I would definitely encourage you to go that route if you feel so inclined. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

GREAT JOB ON THAT ONE.....Rett..:thumbsup:
One minor suggestion that might help you in the future....The top of the foot, has a
tappering arch shape, that ends where the toes begin..on yours, the arch shape on top
of the foot looks like it flattens out, too far up on the top surface of the foot,before it
reaches the toes. Lift your heel off the ground and feel the top of your foot, and you'll see
what i'm talking about. Arch will always be there, even when heel is flat against surface.
Really nice and very fast improvements happening in your works ....Rett...GREAT...:thumbsup: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[augustus]

Here is mine.

http://august.f2o.org/temp/yasliadam.jpg

[Rebeccak]

augustus,

Wow, what a unique style! You know, to be totally honest, it is hard for me to tell if this is digital or traditional media ~ definitely a compliment. :) What media did you use? Traditional, or PS / Painter?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[augustus]

It's Painter with lots of sharpen filter. :) Thanks.

[Rebeccak]

Beautiful work then! I could almost be fooled into thinking it were oil. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

Yesterday's Sketch:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d50/Aggie93/06jan22.jpg

[audit]

Hi everyone :)

phase 3 tonight: torso etc. added. still bashing away...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Figure13c.jpg

Rebecca: thank you for your thorough reply: I'm going to think out loud for a bit...

I can appreciate the huge gap between computer and 'real life' painting (a reflection of the gap between computers and real life..!), and i am tackling it, slowly. Digital work is much easier, especially in terms of ease of reference and the ability to amend anything without the waste of time or logistics. This suits people such as myself who have no formal training, i suppose.

Your references really illuminated the points i was struggling with. On reflection, the key to it lies in the appreciation of the interaction between light and form and regarding light as the agent which reveals form's properties. What strikes me is the difficulty is showing the absence of line - chiaroscuro - within a two dimensional medium. This is a topic which i have read about a lot, and it seems line is a necessary evil given the nature of the process. However I guess the complexity of the human figure simply has to be accepted and dealt with through observation; after all there's only so far I could go inventing schemes to draw by (which is quite refreshing, really...).

-audit

[sick-osiris]

hi, im new here and im still working on my digital art skills. i dont know if im able to post here but this is my progress so far. its definately not up to scratch as some of the other amazing artists here but hopefully i can get some critique so i can get better :)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/vx2000/Sick%20Osiris/humanform1copy.jpg

thank you :)

[Rebeccak]

audit,

Glad you're interested in these problems! I call them 'problems' because they are things I've thought about for years. Frankly, there's no easy way that I know of to resolve them ~ number one, it's mostly a matter of practice, and number two, everyone's resolution is personal. I used to agonize over trying to reconcile various different methods by which I had learned to draw...it took me years out of school to really even come close to coming to terms with the way that I personally, through my own personal filters, understood how to draw / paint ~ and that was traditionally! Digital is indeed a field unto it's own, and cannot quite be quite equated with traditional work. It's not to say it's better or worse ~ it's just to say that it is a different medium, with it's own rules (even according to the program that you are using).

I would say that at base is the fundamental understanding of line. Then tone. Then color. These principles apply across media. Line, or contour, is even applicable in the world of 3D ~ I've seen tons of 3D models where the application or understanding of the principle of Opposing Curves would vastly improve the mesh.

At any rate, I hope this makes some kind of sense...let me know what your thought are.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

The new OFDW 012 has been posted! Please note that while this OFDW 011 will remain open indefinitely, the majority of the group will be moving on to OFDW 012, which will last from 3~4 weeks in duration:

Open Figure Drawing Workshop - William Bouguereau Master Copy - with Rebeccak 012 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3182954#post3182954)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3182954#post3182954

Hope to see everyone there for a great new OFDW! :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by sick osiris: hi, im new here and im still working on my digital art skills. i dont know if im able to post here but this is my progress so far. its definately not up to scratch as some of the other amazing artists here but hopefully i can get some critique so i can get better :)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y9...anform1copy.jpg (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/vx2000/Sick%20Osiris/humanform1copy.jpg)

thank you :)
Welcome aboard, sick osiris! :) Glad to have you aboard. Unfortunately, you've come in at the tail end of this OFDW 011, and we are on to:

Open Figure Drawing Workshop - William Bouguereau Master Copy - with Rebeccak 012 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3183097#post3183097)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3183097#post3183097

which I would welcome you to join! We are doing a Master Copy of a William Bouguereau painting, and I think it will be an exciting chance to learn some new things and to test your skills. :)

Since you are new, let me point you towards a few different threads which I think you may find helpful:

I always recommend that those new to digital painting start painting in grayscale.

See this Tutorial in particular:

(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436) TUTORIAL - Digital Figurative Painting from OFDW - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436

Also check out:

Resources for Beginners (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2

I particularly think you may wish to check out the Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229) ~ lots of great exercises and work there by a really friendly group! I check in whenever someone posts work there and try to provide feedback ~ the group provides really useful feedback as well. :)

You are most welcome to join us on the OFDW 012 ~ hope to see you there!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Already the #12 comes... and I've no finish one :scream:

I will try to finish it this week...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw11_3_wip_06.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw11_3_wip_07.jpg

[Ego]

AAh I suck. I wish there was a way to split myself into so many different pieces so I can get stuff finished. I got totally distracted with work and class assignments. I had this quick study done to get my feel of the subject. Now 012 has posted and its a subject I'd like to attempt from the beginning. So am gonna post this quick study, then rush in and do a fast coloring while we still have Becca's attention.

http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/011quick.jpg

heh and I'll of course do some corrections before I start :D

[Ego]

All of you guys have posted amazing work in this thread. Looks like the higher up in numbers we go, the more amazing all the art works get. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ....QueenSoul....:)

Don't forget, that in the race between the rabbit and the turtle, ..the turtle ALWAYS WINS !!

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[sick-osiris]

Welcome aboard, sick osiris! :) Glad to have you aboard. Unfortunately, you've come in at the tail end of this OFDW 011, and we are on to:

Open Figure Drawing Workshop - William Bouguereau Master Copy - with Rebeccak 012 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3183097#post3183097)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3183097#post3183097

which I would welcome you to join! We are doing a Master Copy of a William Bouguereau painting, and I think it will be an exciting chance to learn some new things and to test your skills. :)

Since you are new, let me point you towards a few different threads which I think you may find helpful:

I always recommend that those new to digital painting start painting in grayscale.

See this Tutorial in particular:

(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436) TUTORIAL - Digital Figurative Painting from OFDW - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436

Also check out:

Resources for Beginners (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2

I particularly think you may wish to check out the Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229) ~ lots of great exercises and work there by a really friendly group! I check in whenever someone posts work there and try to provide feedback ~ the group provides really useful feedback as well. :)

You are most welcome to join us on the OFDW 012 ~ hope to see you there!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak
thats a lot for the nice welcome rebecca. really appreciate it :)

[Ego]

Hi there. Here is a wip am working on . Oil on board. Could barely finish the first layer before it got too dark and I had to stop. Hope it dries by tomorrow so I can continue. Still a bunch of work to be done.
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/011small.jpg

[Ego]

Hi ....QueenSoul....:)

Don't forget, that in the race between the rabbit and the turtle, ..the turtle ALWAYS WINS !!

TAKE CARE
Glenn

LOL Glen, you are so right.

[Rebeccak]

Yay, I can finally post again to this thread! :D

sick osiris,

You're welcome! :)

Queensoul,

Took the tiniest peek at your work...what they must think of me here...:D...looks like a nice start! Are you going to be working on this piece or the new one?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Ego]

Hey Becca. I'll try and work a bit more on this piece tomorrow to finish it to a leavable stage just so I can jump on Bouggie with good conscience :D

Weeeeeeeeeee am so excited about that project.

[SpiritDreamer]

QueenSoul...Very nice composition and style...I like the jackel, fox.. or cat in there.
Great positioning...nice counter weight to figure....balances composition nicely, and
keeps me from going out of the painting by her aiming finger at the same time...NICE..:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[audit]

(smileys-fest ---)

:argh: i'm still going with this one...must...finish... :D

adore the new master study- i'll get to it soon, i hope.

anyhoo, one leg to go! :beer:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Figure13e.jpg

rebecca - i'll try and reply later i've got computer fatigue at the moment...

-a

[Rebeccak]

Wow, audit, really amazing! Keep up the terrific work ~ look forward to seeing this finished! :)

Queensoul,

Here are some images by Paula Modersohn-Becker which I think you might enjoy: :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Paula_Modersohn-Becker_016.jpg/240px-Paula_Modersohn-Becker_016.jpg

http://www.pmbm.de/x_bilder/st_paula.jpg

http://picture-poems.com/rilke/becker_selbstbildnis.jpeg


Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[audit]

cheers rebecca :beer: i'm going insane trying to get it right.

do you reckon i could/should make a tut for this one? I'm saving a few construction stages just in case...

[Rebeccak]

audit,

Absolutely make a tut! :thumbsup: Are you kidding me? Who ya askin'? :curious: :scream:

[audit]

asking the world in general...haha. you know i have to do a bit of n00bing now and then :D

[Rebeccak]

Hehe...:D...I meant that I'm kind of a Tutorial pimpstress...:D ~ bring 'em on, I say! :wip:

Yours is sure to be very useful! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Good work Audit... not remain much to do... go go go :thumbsup:



Well... always very slowly... but an update anyway... minor refining for her... but a real background...
2 versions...
- warm, to continue in the tones planed...
- colder... just to see if it's better... mmmh... more contrast with her of course.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw11_3_wip_10.jpghttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw11_3_wip_11.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Mm, nice work Lolo! :) I am liking both versions but am partial to the second one...really nice feeling to it...the one suggestion I would have is to further saturate the reds and oranges of the boa ~ to make it really stand out...but other than that, really nice work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[audit]

before the thread sinks into obscurity...here is my final extra-large offering :D hope it's not too much for ppl - but the original is very large, and i wanted to show a bit of the detail...

PSCS 15hrs (at least...)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Figure13g_large.jpg

hm, on to OFDW12?!? ahahaha.

-audit

[Rebeccak]

audit,

This is just stunning work! :applause: Please post this to the finished Gallery...it is some of the nicest work I've seen...really beautiful! :bounce::bounce::bounce: :arteest:

Really looking forward to that tutorial! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Really apprecied Audit... you can be proud... a very good piece... I love that and this size... :thumbsup:

[SaraD]

Really nice work Audit! :applause:

[Mu]

I agree - post it to the finished 2D-section!

Wonderful work!

[audit]

i have posted it to the gallery. can't link it as it hasn't appeared yet. don't know how long it will take though - says up to 48 hours :surprised

saraD, Mr.Mu - thank you
lemog - glad you appriciate the size :)
rebecca (aka the pimpstress :D) - thank you very much. but, er, where does one post tutorials exactly?

thanks again everyone,
-audit

[Rebeccak]

audit,

Lol! :scream:

Feel free to just create a new thread here on the Anatomy Forum and call it TUTORIAL - What it's about - by audit. Then just post your tut on your thread, and I'll link it on the Master Sticky thread and pimp it about the forums. :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[audit]

The thread is here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=313417

Now you will all find out my name...foiled! :argh: :D

rebecca - look forward to the pimpage, i'll need time to actually make it first!

[Rebeccak]

audit,

Yeah, it's wierd to find out that people have real names :D ~ I get used to peoples' handles, so if it's ok with you I'll just keep calling you 'audit', though it makes me worry about my tax return...:D

Pimpage arrives with tutorialage! :thumbsup:

Congrats on the Gallery!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Hard for me but finish...
It's certainly not my better piece, but it's done :shrug: :) :scream:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw11_3_wip_13_800.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Lolo,

It's been nice to watch this come together...and given your 3D workload with the World's Fair project, I'm impressed that you participated at all! :arteest: Really nice work, which, even unfinished, has your unique sensibility impressed upon it. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Zephyri]

Wow... this thread gets better the more I see it... as usual, I'm days behind again... but I'm not online at home, so I'm having to post a couple of wip stages at once.. :D

Audit, gorgeous work, and seeing how you do it is interesting, do you have any kind of all over sketch first or just work bit by bit, and if it's the latter, do you ever find yourself having to go back and amend things later? Your eye for colour is lovely, I have to say, though the only thing that looks a little off is the length of her lower leg in comparison to the thigh, but that could be perspective throwing it out a bit from the photo.

Lemog, I love the scarf on that final pic.. and I think the cooler background was definitely the right choice.

Anyhoo.. I worked some more on this, the clouds are driving me nuts, I've spent god alone knows how many hours on them. But I'm getting to a point now where I feel I can start to crack on with the figure more now.
Stage 3
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/aphrodisia-V2.jpg

Stage 4
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/aphrodisia-v3.jpg

Stage 5
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/aphrodisia-v4.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Zepyhri,

Great to see your update! :thumbsup: Can't look too closely at your pieces atm, but look forward to seeing them more in~depth later today...as always, I love to see your imagination at work, and know that you can take this piece far. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

Zepyhri - I liked all three. I think the last one though was strong. The clouds are great.

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ....Zepyhri....:wavey: :)

Pleasure and surprise all at once ...WOW !!
I like the composition in the last one...and I really like those touches of violet and purple.
Also like the reflected golds in birds and main figure....great feeling of deapth in the sky.
BEAUTIFUL lighting and colors..has a ONENESS... :thumbsup: ...
Only thought I can think of, that might help it, is maybe something in lower left corner to
bring viewer back into painting, ...maybe edge of cloud, or bird or whatever. her finger and
wing tip might end up leading the veiwer right out of the painting , before they have had a chance to fully enjoy it's beauty....just a thought...GREAT JOB on this so far...really looking
forward to seeing it progress...:applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Lemog]

Zepyhri, I completely falling under the charm of your composition... especially the third... really poetic... that give le the envy to be a bird, and why not, to join her in the sky, to fly, to fly more and to fall, under this dream...

Congratulations for this piece, very good interpretation of the model, really apprecied :thumbsup:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Zephyri]

Thank you for the feedback guys, very much appreciated.

Rebecca... no worries, I know you have your plate full with workshops! How you find the time to even look briefly is beyond me! :bowdown:

Glenn, you were dead right, thank you fo pointing that out, I've tried to address that in this update by putting in some paler cloud and fixing the tip of the wing so it doesn't come quite a close to the edge of the piece.

Et je te remercie, lemog (tu dois excuser mon francias mauvais, mais j'aime faire un effort pour l'utiliser quand je peux) Je suis très content que tu as obtenu que tu sens du painture. C'est un sentiment qui est très proche à mon coeur, j'aime les nuages quand il y a un orage et un coucher du soleil, et quand le vent souffle. C'est les choses là que j'ai voulu exprimer. (J'espère que ça fait le sens...)

And here is another update... I had so much trouble with her face it was unreal... fine upto the point I was at last time, but then once I got into details I realised everything was wrong. So I got peeved and decided she was going to be a bird spirit and would wear a mask. But I'm not 100% sold on it yet.. I'm going to give the face another go, the mask rings too much of a certain Ms Bergkvist's work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/aphrodisia-v5.jpg

[SaraD]

Zephyri - one word - WOW :applause:

[zng-Y]

Zephyri - awesome!!!

[Rebeccak]

Zepyhri,

Wow, I have to chime in here with everyone! Really beautiful piece so far! :applause: I love the painterly feel ~ definitely great progress...keep up the great work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Congratulations for your french, it's really understandable, certainly better than my english...

...you're right about clouds and complex skies, always very interesting, always very fascinating, and here with your drawing, you succeed to give to your creation something with lot of deep, attraction, by the composition and especially by these tones...
the mask is a good idea, a good touch (even if I really like the previous face, some mysterious...), just maybe the little things around (feathers ?) seem too much fixed, without motion, perharps something lighter, flying a little will be better... byt the way, I hope to see the final piece in large size... my eyes are always greedy :scream: :thumbsup: good continuation :wavey:

[Rebeccak]

Good luck with your project today, Lolo...shall we prepare for some 3D Stills updates? :wise: :D :bounce: Korean pavilion, not? :scream:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi....Zepyhri...:)

THE COLOR....:thumbsup: :bounce:

Maybe her pointing finger could be angled up more ...pointing towards birds in distance...
those birds bring viewer up to big bird, which looks like it's thinking about landing on her hand
or finger maybe...this simple change would creat a very nice circle flow in your painting, and
give it a nice motion, and would also keep viewer in the painting longer...also if you keep
mask,...you might make it out of pretty feathers...long golden phesant tail feathers, might be nice,
with smaller feathers for mask itself...just some thoughts, while i'm admiring this
BEAUTIFUL CREATION of YOURS...:arteest: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Nendil]

I'm shamefully late again... :wise: Hope I can get this finished before too long, if school doesn't keep kicking my butt!

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9229/figure2c7yv.jpg

Nendil,

Heyhey, welcome aboard, and thanks for telling us about yourself on this thread. :) It's always nice and interesting to hear. :) I interviewed at Gnomon, they seem like nice folks and let's try and get you into shape! The main thing that I would recommend (and I'm sure you know this) is to make sure to work at a reasonable enough resolution (300 dpi, appropriate size in inches) so that if you need to print your work out for presentation in a portfolio, you are able to do so. :)

Thanks for your advice Rebecca. Although I'm not working at 300 dpi for this piece, the images I'm posting are at 50% dimension - I just didn't want to break people's scrollbars. I do know the value of working large, I'm just not doing toooo big for these exercises because I work too slowly as is!

P.S. I toured Gnomon this Tuesday and Ms. Hogarth said my portfolio looked solid! Yay!!

[Rebeccak]

Nendil,

I'm really liking this piece so far! :thumbsup: Yep, we all post at smaller sizes than that at which we're truly working...that's exactly right. :) Congrats about your Gnomon interview! :) I believe that Pam Hogarth is an in~law to the late Burne Hogarth (his son's wife).

Let us know how things turn out. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[eyrebrush]

I'm shamefully late again... :wise: Hope I can get this finished before too long, if school doesn't keep kicking my butt!

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9229/figure2c7yv.jpg



Thanks for your advice Rebecca. Although I'm not working at 300 dpi for this piece, the images I'm posting are at 50% dimension - I just didn't want to break people's scrollbars. I do know the value of working large, I'm just not doing toooo big for these exercises because I work too slowly as is!

P.S. I toured Gnomon this Tuesday and Ms. Hogarth said my portfolio looked solid! Yay!!

Oh, WOW! Lucy, I'm gob-smacked!



Without meaning to offend anybody, I had just about given up interest on this particular workshop! Pleeez, PLEEEZ don't get me wrong. I've been admiring everyone's work here, but, while being in awe of the expertize and effort that has gone into all the work done here, with the long painstaking struggle to achieve as near a copy to the original photograph, it has done nothing for me, personally. I'm sorry to be saying that. The same images seem to be coming up all the time with out any obvious changes, while nothing of the artist's OWN personality is showing through.



I'm NOT saying this about ALL the work, though! I can't think of their names off hand, but two or three have shown some real individuality and self expression through their personal drawing and painting technique. I'm following the progress, also, with a great deal of pleasure and wonderment, of Zepyhri's beautiful composition of this fairy-like creature in the clouds rejoycing with the freedom of the birds. So delicate and expressive, and yet full of drama from the clouds!



And Lucy! ..... this is what I started out to say (lol) ..... I know I might be a bit biased here, being the model, lol, but I would have loved to have seen this sort of individual hand drawn technique with the female images also. Your drawing, while displaying a deep understanding of the anatomy and structure of the human body, displays so much more power and drama than a photograph ever could - with it's movement of brush strokes and thoughtful use of tone to emphasize many of the edges of the figure. I don't know if you intend to develop this with color, but I think this drawing is outstanding as it is!

Ronnie.

[Nendil]

And Lucy! ..... this is what I started out to say (lol) ..... I know I might be a bit biased here, being the model, lol, but I would have loved to have seen this sort of individual hand drawn technique with the female images also. Your drawing, while displaying a deep understanding of the anatomy and structure of the human body, displays so much more power and drama than a photograph ever could - with it's movement of brush strokes and thoughtful use of tone to emphasize many of the edges of the figure. I don't know if you intend to develop this with color, but I think this drawing is outstanding as it is!
Aww, thank you Ron, I am so flattered! Ironically enough, I've yet to pull off a photorealistic piece like some of the amazing talents in here, despite wanting to acquire that level of skill... :D

I wish I had the time to paint every single photo posted in the OFDWs, male or female, old or young... but I take so long that I'm lucky to even catch up with one. This current picture is pretty much going to be refined as you see it here, but if you want to see a colored, female work, there's my sole previous OFDW entry here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3065680&postcount=558) :)

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ...RON....:)

Don't give up on us yet...I can SEE a change slowly emerging, I think more people are
starting to realize the difference between a mimic, and a truly creative artist and spirit.
After having said that...I think we both better put or helmets on,.. I can feel the breeze
from the spanner wrenches flying by my head right now as I speak.... LOL !!
If you have a spare moment, take a peek at my MASTER COPY, on the # 12 figure thread.
might put hope for us back into your heart....I HOPE..;)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[eyrebrush]

Ok, you guys! You've got a lot to answer for! .... particularly Lucy and Glenn! AHHHGGGGG! Through your work and influence - (and one or three others) - I've just gone and 'splashed out' £300 - and something pounds - on an A4 size wacom tablet and pen on the internet! Having shopped around, this was the best price I could find:

Intuos3 A4 Tablet Pen + Mouse USB - Mac/Win
£321.
This includes our English VAT tax and delivery charges.

HOPEFULLY I can use this with either my PC or Mac G5 computers. I just HOPE it proves to me to be yet another genuine medium for artistic expression and interpretation, using my own styles of drawing and painting! If this 'medium' is as good as it looks, it would be very beneficial for my work - submitting stuff here, and to other sites - (including my own) - and doing quick demonstrations, - without the palava of cleaning brushes and palette afterwards - and waiting for paint to dry before the next stage. lol. :D

Lucy, I had a really good look at your progressions for the female figure in OFDW 010, and I am in awe of your lovely brush technique, and the beautiful variety of flesh tints and tones. If this and the drawing you've just submitted for OFDW 011 are samples of your work in your school portfolio, all I can say is I wish I was one of the adjudicators!

Glenn, I haven't had the time, as yet, to have a look at the 012 assignment, except at the sourse reference painting. Very dramatic, and, I have to admit, very arousing! (lol!). I can't help feeling, however, that this is yet another invitation to 'copy' another's work. Sorry, Glenn, I haven't yet had time to wade through this particular workshop and find your particular piece if work. The project seems to be already well advanced! When I get the time ....... Durrrrrrrr! Wish there were 48 hours in a day!

Ronnie.

[SpiritDreamer]

RON.... You'll love that tablet and pen....money well spent....:thumbsup:
My # 12 ..painting is on the last page on that thread, or you'll also find it on my
personal anatomy thread, along with all my other creations..ANATOMY THREAD OF
SPIRIT DREAMER.....I also have some other works in the EVOCATIVE FIGURE// and LANDSCAPES thread that you might enjoy ...more from the imagination...no photo copies
That thread might be a good one for you to display some of your works in...just a thought..:)
You can find it on the front page of this forum, at the bottom of the list at present time.
Have a great day RON, and enjoy your new toy....:bounce:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Hi guys,

I have to jump in here as the tone of the discussion is starting to bother me a bit. Bear in mind that this is just my opinion. ;) Firstly, the OFDWs are about practicing one's digital and traditional art techniques and skills ~ the resulting work from these Workshops is not implicitly expected to be one's own artwork per se ~ the work here is done for the sake of doing EXERCISES, just as work done in a live Figure Drawing / Painting Workshop is done for the sake of practice, not creating a finished result.

I think that, within the context of these Workshops, it is presumptious to think that an individual's or a set of individuals' work is better or worse than another's because of the work's basis in less realistic / or less 'true to the photo' style. The purpose, in fact, of running these Workshops is so that artists of all stripes be able to practice their skills in traditional and digital realism ~ how artists use these acquired and honed skills in their own, more imaginative work, is purely up to them. :)

I do not rather appreciate condescension towards one another's art. It is the purpose of these Workshops to help each other grow in the medium and style of personal preference.

Cheers, ;)

~Rebeccak

[mystikaal]

As it was viewing Zephyri's wonderful work on DA that brought me here in the first place, I thought it only fitting that my first post be here. I am awed and inspired by your imagery and am truly enjoying watching how this is developing.

Nendil - I really like the liveliness to your strokes as well as the shading. You have really infused the image with emotion. Looking forward to seeing the finished version.

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi...Rebecca...:)
You're right, this is not the place to express the feeling that has been out there ever since
the camera was invented, and put a lot of artist out of work, and at the same time created
new formes of art, which led up to digital...it's all good, depending on how it is used.
There is yin and yang in everything, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Glenn, :)

I think that the OFDWs are, as you say, evolving, and I have thought a lot lately about how to structure them such that there is more emphasis on creative composition / etc. ~ how to create a new Workshop where the focus is on creating personal work.

I have reservations about this, however, for a few reasons.

Chief among them is that the original intent and purpose behind creating the OFDWs is to address the need for artists in our community to increase their observational skills ~ there are many beginners in particular who take as their starting point manga, comic books, and current digital art as their starting / reference points with respect to figurative art. As a result, I see many people making the same mistakes in their drawings repeatedly, and the OFDWs are incredibly successful to me because it puts artists back in the mindset of working from what the figure really looks like, vs. a cartoon / stylized representation of it.

While some have taken their work here in the OFDWs beyond the call of duty and created their own finished artwork with it ~ which I think is fantastic! ~ that is not actually the purpose behind these Workshops as they are now. The purpose is really to help artists increase their observational skills, and as such, yes, many pieces will closely follow the photographs ~ in a big way, that's the point here.

What I think you and Ronnie are rightly picking up on is the fact that there needs to be another outlet here for the development of personal work / work that may use Reference as a starting, but not necessarily an ending point.

Having said that, however, I think that too often, beginners hear the oft batted about phrases, "You must learn to draw from your imagination" and "You must draw from life / without Reference", and think that they must do that automatically! This borders to me on the ridiculous, because how can anyone draw from imagination if that imagination is not stocked from either drawing on a regular basis from life and / or from Reference?

As such, these Workshops must be taken for what they are ~ incredible opportunities for artists from everywhere to work together to improve their observational and technical skills. :) As I say, these Workshops can always evolve, with the potential to move towards an offspin Workshop where people create their own pieces, with or without Reference. However, I am not a fan of work in which people proudly proclaim that they have used no Reference, when the work could have greatly benefitted from the employment of such.

I hope that makes sense! :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Rebecca....LOL !! :)
I don't disagree with any of the points you just mentioned, they all sound true and corect
to me...Norman Rockwell comes to mind, ..he couldn't compete with the camera, so he used it to his advantage, in a big way,...even Michelanglo used references, and just took them further
with his vision or imagination.
I think it is good to stir the pot once in a while, keeps the stew from getting stagnent,and
new ideas usully come from it.... :)
Like I told you earlier, if I cross any line you think I shouldn't, then by all means just tell
me to shut up and get back to work. LOL !!:) ...MRS SPIRIT DREAMER does it all the time
and I haven't died from it ...YET...:scream:
TAKE CARE...TEACHER
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

Are you trying to give me gray hair? :scream:

By no means should I ever come across as sounding like I'm saying anything remotely like 'shut up and get back to work' :scream: ~ that wasn't my point at all. Ah well, you've succeeded in stirring the pot...heh...;)

Cheers, :)

~Rk

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi...Rebecca...:) :bounce:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[eyrebrush]

As such, these Workshops must be taken for what they are ~ incredible opportunities for artists from everywhere to work together to improve their observational and technical skills. :) As I say, these Workshops can always evolve, with the potential to move towards an offspin Workshop where people create their own pieces, with or without Reference. However, I am not a fan of work in which people proudly proclaim that they have used no Reference, when the work could have greatly benefitted from the employment of such.

I hope that makes sense! :)

~Rebeccak[/QUOTE]

Hi, Rebecca. I hope you don't feel that I've been upsetting the apple cart a bit here expressing my own personal views and observations. I am with you 100% when you talk of observational and technical skills. Your workshops provide the perfect platform for doing just this. Purely imaginative work without any reference to close observation to real life is of little value, and is certainly of no interest to me. I applaud you with your endeavours here!

Ronnie.

[Rebeccak]

Ronnie,

No worries, ;) ~

BTW, I forgot to mention, congrats on getting your tablet! I think it's cool that you're willing to try something new ~ and I hope your purchase will mean that you'll be participating more often as an artist with us! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[tizianoadmirer]

I looked for a good Caravaggio on the ARC site, but couldn't find one. If anyone can find a good, large reference image of a Caravaggio image on the Web, I'm more than happy to use it for the next OFDW.

Rebecca: have a look here: http://www.wga.hu
-TL

[Rebeccak]

tizianoadmirer,

Perfect! Thanks! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[eyrebrush]

Ronnie,

No worries, ;) ~

BTW, I forgot to mention, congrats on getting your tablet! I think it's cool that you're willing to try something new ~ and I hope your purchase will mean that you'll be participating more often as an artist with us! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

LOL! We'll see! :D I don't know how long it will take to arrive here, but it will take me a while to get used to it.

Cheers, Ronnie.

[Zephyri]

Hi again all.. another update!

Before I do add the update, I’d just like to say I think there is actually tremendous good in copying photos like for like. I try to use imagination in all I do, but most of what I’ve done with this piece is underpinned with some banked knowledge that comes from lots of straght copies from photos, masters and anatomy books and hundreds and hundreds of gesture drawings in my case! Its only through doing these studies that I think you get any better at being able to do the stuff straight from the top of your head. I’ve still a lot to learn, and copying from photos and other esources is certainly one of the best ways, especially to those who don’t have live resources anywhere nearby! If it wasn’t for these drawing workshops and the advice on offer here, I’d be a lot further behind than I am. It’s only very recently that I’ve realise that in order to create something you really have to understand it, as daft as that sounds. Until now, I made the daft presumption that these people who can do it effortlessly were just uber talented, but they’re not, they just worked harder for it, and they have doubtless copied straight from photos too!

Right... I’ll hop off my soapbox now. I put the piece up for review on my Deviant gallery, and got some really good advice there too, so here’s an update. I’ve tried to make the mask somewhere between solid and ethereal, and worked some more on her body. I also changed the outstretched hand to give it more expression and to make it clear she wants the dove to land on her hand. Also got rid of the hair, as it was leading the eye out of the picture, and gave her more of an insubstantial ‘crest’ which fits more with the whole bird spirit idea, and pulled the brighter colours (which I’m hoping pull the viewer immediately to her head) down into the wings, to give the impression that the hair crest and wings are all part of the same etheral substance. I'm toying with the idea of maybe putting in a couple more larger doves, as I'm taken with the idea of them flapping around her, but don't know whether this will busy up the composition too much. I've not decided whether to put her eye in yet either... so much to do! :argh: Thoughts on progress are muchly appreciated.

Oh, and Ron, once you get used to it, you should love the tablet... I bought the exact same one just after Christmas, and haven't looked back. It comes with a couple of different textured nibs too, so you can have it feel more like a pencil, and put paper over the tablet surface too. *enthuses greatly about wacom tablets*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/aphrodisia-v6.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by Zepyhri: I’d just like to say I think there is actually tremendous good in copying photos like for like. I try to use imagination in all I do, but most of what I’ve done with this piece is underpinned with some banked knowledge that comes from lots of straght copies from photos, masters and anatomy books and hundreds and hundreds of gesture drawings in my case! Its only through doing these studies that I think you get any better at being able to do the stuff straight from the top of your head. I’ve still a lot to learn, and copying from photos and other esources is certainly one of the best ways, especially to those who don’t have live resources anywhere nearby! If it wasn’t for these drawing workshops and the advice on offer here, I’d be a lot further behind than I am. It’s only very recently that I’ve realise that in order to create something you really have to understand it, as daft as that sounds. Until now, I made the daft presumption that these people who can do it effortlessly were just uber talented, but they’re not, they just worked harder for it, and they have doubtless copied straight from photos too!
Hear hear! :) It's also the case that many people can't afford live Workshops. Heck, I can't! I cannot dish out the $20-25 per session that just one Workshop costs ~ especially not with the amount of drawing and painting practice that is required to acquire and maintain one's skill level. I copied master drawings for years for just this reason ~ outside of a school environment, I did not have access to live models, and though I am thankful for having had the luxury of working from wonderful live models in school, once I graduated, I actually found it tremendously helpful to work from Master Works instead ~ and this was before I was aware of the tremendous online art communities that exist! So, I certainly count this and similar Workshops as an advance for all artists, who no longer have to labor alone ~ and unnoticed ~ but rather have the opportunity not only to practice their skills far into the future, for free, but also have the chance to get recognition and to interact with artists from everywhere ~ to me, there's nothing that you can lose in seizing such an opportunity! :)

Oh, and while I only managed to sneak a tiny look at your work, Zepyhri, I did notice that it looks fantastic! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

mystikaal,

My apologies, I've only just now seen your post! Welcome aboard, and I'm thrilled that seeing Zephyri's work has brought you on board! I hope you will contribute your artwork as well, and hope that you find the Anatomy Forum useful. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Zepyhri .....WOW !!

This is turning into one of the most BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL paintings that I have ever seen
seriously.
Has the colors of a sacred bird in New Guine or one of those places.
It's called COCK OF THE ROCK...see if you can find a picture of one. It came to mind, the
minute I saw your painting this morning. Might help you in some way to see one.
What you did with the hand is great,..gives it that uplift motion, almost like a birds wing
in flight...nice touch.....love that glass like beak also...BEAUTIFUL...
I like your idea for another big bird....maybe flying up towards her, from the lower left section
or corner of the painting ...might add to motion, and lead veiwer back into painting, and up
to main figure....if done right, it will add to paintings composition...open V shape, leads the
eye upward ...shape of birds wings in flight....might use to your advantage with bird in
lower left corner.....just a thought, that might help you, if you go for more birds.
Really brightend up my day, just seeing this painting ...THANK YOU ...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn


Rebecca...The stew is starting to smell pretty good to me, in fact it smells so good, that
it's makeing me hungry.....stir every half hour, and let simmer...LOL...;)
TAKE CARE and :)
Glenn

[Zephyri]

Thank you for the great feedback on this piece, Glenn, your suggestions do nothing but improve the piece!

Another small update, small due to the fact I was savaged by a persian cat, which embedded both its teeth and claws in my right wrist, after it approached me for a fuss. Me being the cat lover, and at a loss as to what else to do, had to endure 30 seconds of wild cat spitting, biting and clawing until it let go and ran off leaving rather nasty claw ad teeth punctures all over my arm. And now my hand has somewhat seized up. :argh:

Still.. managed to implement a few more changed, mostly in the positioning of doves and the like. I'm hoping this completes the composition issues, and I've been playing around with floating feathers on the woman, only to decide none of them worked.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/aphrodisia-v7jpg.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ...Zepyhri...

You better get yourself to a doctor ...right away...for those punture wounds..
Cats have a little grove on the backside of each fang...grove runs the whole
length of each fang....each grove is packed full of bateria...like getting
bit by a poisonious snake almost...bacteria gets trapped in the punture.
Hand and arm will swell....bacteria will grow, and you will get a red line
going up your arm in a couple or three days...BLOOD POISONING...very serious stuff.
Goes to your heart, and can be fatal...
I am speaking from experience here....myself, my brother, and my sister inlaw, were
all bitten by his cat at the same time ...cat went crazey over a puppy I had in my arms,
protecting her kittens I guess. ANYWAY ...we all ended up in the hospital a few days
later, with BLOOD POISONING.....Just thought I WOULD WARN YOU... you said your hand
was swelling...that's the start of the infection....a simple shot of anti biotics or penacillin
wll take care of it, in most cases...
I hope I am not scareing you too much, ...but if the swelling continues, don't wait for
the red line to appear, like I did...being stuborn as I am LOL!!
I will comment on your painting, when you tell me you went to the doctor...does that
sound fair...LOL!!
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Zephyri]

Aw, thank you for the concern, Glenn... very much appreciated, and the first thing I did when I got in was ring the local health service hotline for advice, and went to see the doctor yesterday to get a tetanus jab and have it looked at. The swelling is better this morning, so I think it was just a short term reaction, but I'll certainly keep an eye on it!

[Rebeccak]

Zepyhri,

Wow, what a beautiful update! And I'm so sorry to hear that you're injured...cats are so odd sometimes! :rolleyes: Hard to know what sets them off, I guess.

I'm really enjoying the soft colors in your piece, and can't wait to see your next update! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ..Zepyhri...:)
Great to hear your bites aren't infected....hope you gave the cat a good slap at least.
maybe not...MIGHT LEAD TO MORE BITES ...LOL!!
Your stil working on doves I think, so I won't say to much about them, other than...don't
end up making them compete for atention with the main figure...one of the doves should be
primary...the others secondary...made so with shadows ect. I think the smaller one by her
hand is the primary dove, and creates the action...I think I like it's original gesture better,
but maybe that's just because it was more finished looking. I don't think you need the dove
you added right behind that one...killes the openness in that area, and competes too much
with the first dove..and also makes the composition to obvious...you want painting to feel
uncontrived and have a natural open flow, with an element of surprise and mystery with the placement of your directional elements.
Also..don't loose the richness of your shadow areas in clouds...I notice, your starting to
get a white'd out look in last version...looseing that rich orange and purple violet appeal
of the previous version...remember shadow adds to mystery and drama..depth and
beauty....I HOPE you don't think i'm being too critical or nit picky at this point.
Just trying to be of some help, in this truly BEAUTIFUL PAINTING you are creating, and
like all advice, take it , or leave it...only you know what is best for your vision in the
end...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Zephyri]

Wooo... I finished it...well.. for now. I might go back and tinker a bit in a couple of days. I don't know whether I'll be cutting it fine for Aphrodisia :argh: but never mind, the exercise in itself is certainly worth it. All hail the anatomy workshop!

Here's the finished piece. Glad you mentioned the cloud shadows, Glenn, definitely better with them!:
Colours of the Wind
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/aphrodisia-v8.jpg

And some close ups:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/closeups.jpg

I've also posted it in the finished 2d gallery too, with a story to go with it: Link (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=318521) . Thanks once again for everything guys! :applause: Now to go and write up a step by step! :beer:

[SpiritDreamer]

HI ....Zephyr...:wavey:

Can't stop admirering it......simply BEAUTIFUL....:thumbsup: :applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Zepyhri,

Totally beautiful piece...:applause:...so impressed with this, and I'm so glad you posted it to the finished gallery! :bounce:

Amazing stuff, and I hope you'll be able to participate in the next OFDW 004 ~ where we're doing another Bouguereau master copy. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Un chef d'oeuvre... un plaisir pour les yeux...

A masterpiece, a great pleasure for eyes...

It's warm, it's luminous, it's inspiring, it's dreaming... it's full of many things... always and again speechless... bravo Sam :applause:


:bowdown:

[Zephyri]

Thank you guys... Glenn, this piece is partially what it is due to your wise council! And lemog, thanks for your support. And Rebecca, I've just finished typing up a step by step that I'll post shortly! I'm miffed I didn't have time for the bougereau copy, so I'll definitely be attempting the next one! (I'm personally looking forward to a caravaggio, he's my hero).

[Rebeccak]

Zeph,

Great tutorial! :applause: I've pimped it about the forums, so it should be receiving some well~deserved attention. :)

I think a lot of folks want to do a Caravaggio, so we'll try to do that next. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

Zeph - Amazing work. I am glad to see you finished this one out. It makes me want to go back and pick up my sketch and work more on it. There is a lot of detail but if I may ask what is going on in the crotch?:eek: Is it to go with the sheer wings or viens perhaps? I am not critizing it just curious about the design and thought behind it. Now that I am blushing!

[aggie93]

Rebecca - I have been looking through the thread here after being absent for a while. It appears that there is some discussion about artistic output in the workshop. Is it my understanding that you would rather see the workshop as just that and not express one's individual imagination but to try and accurately interprete the image as shown?

Aggie93

[Rebeccak]

aggie93,

Hmm, no, that's a misinterpretation of what I've said. :)

I think folks are free to use this Workshop as they wish. I am thrilled when Zephyri goes out on a limb and does beautiful works which only use the OFDW Reference as a starting, but not as an ending point. I think it really depends on who you are and what you need out of this Workshop. I certainly don't dictate anything regarding style ~ I may have and express my own opinions, but that is just what they are ~ opinions. With respect to art, there are no facts, only consensus on certain things, and that's about it.

What I think I may have expressed that you may have misinterpreted is that I think that too often, I see work on the general forums here which appears untutored, and as such, I think that people should do more representational work and practice studying from life, from photo reference, and from Master Works, so that when they go to do their own imaginative work, they might do so convincingly and with a well~established basis. I don't often see that, and that is what these OFDWs are meant to address. Folks like Zephyri and Spirit Dreamer who already have a lot of experience may find it more to their liking to do more imaginative works, which I think is terrific! I enjoy figurative work of many stripes so long as it is of high quality, and that is just me. :)

I guess you could say that for me (and that's only me) quality is content, and also meaning. If a work has an 'idea' behind it, yet is poorly executed, I cannot myself see past the poor execution to the 'idea'. That's why I try to encourage people in these Workshops to do their personal best, because I think too often folks are encouraged in schools to express more 'ideas' than they have the tools to express.

I hope this makes sense!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[aggie93]

Rebecca - Great! I really do like the self interpretation like Zephs work. It has actually inspired me to go back to this thread and work on another myself and create my own work from the picture. Sorry, I just misunderstood. Not unusual!

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