CGTalk - marker work

jeroentje

11-26-2002, 06:23 PM

He Jordan, looks great.

Just some tips about markers in general:
*Use alcohol based markers, preferably with a big chissel-tip (I use AD-markers).
*Start with the darker parts and keep making them darker and darker, while slowly painting in the lighter parts at the same time. Every time you paint a bit of the lighter part, make the darker darker aswell. Don't smear in the dark colors right away. Build them up slowly, but don't be afraid to end really dark either.
*Leave the white parts open. Your paper is white, so why not use that. Will give a nice open feeling about it.
* When you're finished (and only whe you're finished) take some white gouche paint, or some typists correction fluid, or any "covering" white paint, and tip in the highlights (don't overdo it). That will completely bring your piece to live.

And just for a matter of taste and personal preference, when you're after a piece with some feeling of power and motion in it:
*Keep your black linework rough and sketchy.
*Work fast, don't look at it as an illustration, but as a sketch.

Keep it up, markers are much fun to draw with :)
Jeroentje

Twisted-Imperial

11-26-2002, 06:48 PM

thx man very useful info :thumbsup:
ive been using more pen work lately like the black lines some of my earlyer peices were alot more markers and less black.

the pictures dont scan very well i had to touch it up in photoshop quite a bit any tips on makeing it look closer to the original after scanning?

thx man
-peace

Gentle Fury

11-27-2002, 12:42 AM

Markers are so much fun!

cant really give any advice since jeroentje basically said everything i would have said!

here's a couple marker pics i did a few years back :)

http://exurostudios.com/render_tests/2d_art/marker_pics.jpg

keep it up, markers a completely different world when it comes to art!!

they are a lot faster......and mainly a one shot deal.....they are easy to screw up, so dont get attatched to what you are working on and be prepared to throw away a lot of paper before you get what you want!!

but yeah, like he said, build from your darkest shades really light, then work your way up to dark!

and the reason he said dont be afraid to go too dark is because most people just learning marker rendering tend to get scared when it starts getting dark and the dont finish the image to its full potential!

so, dont be afraid to go all the way.

Another thing i learned when working in markers are, for the most part, BLACK IS THE ENEMY!!!!!

if you need a dark color to mix into the pallete Burnt Umber tends to work wonderfully! and it looks more natural!

well, enjoy, and remember, always have a nice piece of asitone handy when working in markers, makes a GREAT pallete!

Happy Rendering!!!!!

Twisted-Imperial

11-28-2002, 03:13 PM

hey all my servers been done for a little while so i havnt been able to check any interenet related things, anyways Gentle Fury thx for the comments its really apreicated what kind of markers are you using? i havnt seen too much color marker work :thumbsup: good stuff ill have to try that out some day, right now ive just been playing with the cool and warm greys i have a 1, 3, and 7 of each, heh the 3-7 gap is a bit big im hoping to get some more shades soon. as well as that wacom ;)

i also know what u mean about the #of posts/# of views oh well i got some great comments from you guys so goal was achived :D

oh heres another resent marker render kinda the whole mech genre i suppose mech frog ;)

http://www.figaming.com/crew/ti/11.jpg

-Peace

Gentle Fury

11-30-2002, 03:35 AM

Prismacolor only :)

http://www.prismacolor.com/images/de-markers-narrow.JPG
http://www.prismacolor.com/images/marker.GIF

their the best :)

that technofrog pic is really cool :)

Keep it up........def give color a try, its a whole new world......color markers are a lot more like painting.....you need a color pallete to dip into :)

Im, having lots of fun with my wacom though, so i havent really done much real media color work in a lil while

Twisted-Imperial

11-30-2002, 04:27 AM

kick ass im defenetly gonna have to pick some up even a few reds blues and greens hehe ne ways im going out for coffee with a bunch of my classmates tommarow night, we usually start around 11pm and draw till 4am thats where these marker renders come from, but its nice i get a real awsome vibe working with my classmates again, anyways the point of the story ill most likely have another marker render posted :thumbsup:

ne ways thx for your responces and knowledge

lataz

-Jordan

jeroentje

11-30-2002, 09:52 AM

Prismacolor sucks. They dry out very fastly, and they give stripes when you paint larger surfaces.

These are the best markers money can buy:
AD markers from Chartpak ( www.chartpak.com )

http://www.chartpak.com/kohinoor/product_images/ad_markers.jpg

Gentle Fury

12-01-2002, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by jeroentje
Prismacolor sucks. They dry out very fastly, and they give stripes when you paint larger surfaces.

These are the best markers money can buy:
AD markers from Chartpak ( www.chartpak.com )

http://www.chartpak.com/kohinoor/product_images/ad_markers.jpg

geez, a lil harsh there! lol!!

if i get a chance ill try em, but i wouldnt say pismacolor suck.....ive used em for years and havent disliked them, nor have i found them to dry too quickly........its all a matter of preference :)

seems that the ones you suggested dont have to fine tip on the other end......i like that for detailing.

Twisted-Imperial

12-01-2002, 06:23 PM

ive been using lettra set theyve been very good to me ;) but im gonna try out these ad's there like half the price. sorry no new marker works i was telling jeroentje that the paper i just picked up is absolute crap so all the renders i attempted looked pretty bad anyways im gonna get new paper soon

so no updates today :(
peace out

-Jordan

jeroentje

12-01-2002, 06:29 PM

They have a big flat tip, so you can rotate it. But I hardly detail markerwork myself. I use it to work fast.
I used prisma's aswell. I would never say something sucked I hadn't used myself before (like Copics), but AD's just last longer.
Most important is the big surfaces thing. Prisma's tend to give stripes when you want to work fast.

cleptocat

12-02-2002, 04:30 AM

jeroentje's tips are all very good. From the look of what cha' got here your lights and darks(contrast) could be futher apart. The highlights will make a big difference in your work. If you havent already, check out:

www.artbyfeng.com
and
www.dchiang.com
Both have excellent tuts on their process.
and
www.hawkprey.com
who is a moderator for this forum

And jeroentje I believe AD markers might be xylene based. They are great markers but I would only recommend them on marker paper they bleed a bit for me on typing paper.

S14 Racer

12-09-2002, 07:08 PM

I prefer to use the Letraset Tria markers. They are a little on the expensive side but include 3 nibs are refillable and are one of the only, if not the only, markers with true pantone colors :)

My Tria black is my fav marker :) and has the scars to prove it hehe

I always wanted to try a set of the AD's though for larger area work.

Twisted-Imperial

12-10-2002, 08:06 AM

yea s14, im using lettrasets at the moment until i can try some ad's so far theyve been good to me i had my t1cool grey alrdy die but im getting a refill kit for that shortly

oh yea sorry for the lack of posts i still havnt gotten around to getting paper so my marker nights have had very little marker related work turn out hopefully by the end of the week i can have some new peices up for crit.

thx all
-Peace

jeroentje

12-10-2002, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by cleptocat
AD markers (...) are great markers but I would only recommend them on marker paper. They bleed a bit for me on typing paper.
Absolutely true. But I would also recommend people to use marker paper in the first place. Not in the last place because it's thin and you can trace your sketch on the final paper, wich saves a lot of time (sketch with a pen or a fine liner than, btw).

S14 Racer

12-13-2002, 01:20 PM

On a side note this thread caused me to break out the markers again, and I noticed something. I do have a single AD marker its my BIG blender hehe, but I also have the letraset for fine blending. The AD flows so much that it will remove alot of the color if I want, with an absorbant sheet of paper underneath.

Go get that paper, I would like to see more.

What paper do you prefer btw? Ive always used the bienfang graphics 360... never really tried another makers marker paper.

jeroentje

12-13-2002, 01:24 PM

I use Schoellershammer (http://www.schoellershammer.de/eng/prod_werbung_grafik/grafik_markerfest.html).

S14 Racer

12-13-2002, 01:53 PM

Hmmm I never even thought about a coated marker paper... That looks / sounds really nice. Now... where to find in the US heheh (I knew you would post a paper stock that I wouldnt know of or would be linked to a european site hehe).

cleptocat

12-13-2002, 03:50 PM

If you cant find Schoellershammer look for Graphics360 by Biefang. They usually have it in office supply and craft stores. The only thing is it tends to work better on the back side of the paper. the front tends to give a blotty look for some reason.

S14 Racer

12-13-2002, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by S14 Racer
Ive always used the bienfang graphics 360... never really tried another makers marker paper.

Thats what I use hehe.. But Ive never tried reversing it.. well mioght have but just messing around and never payed attention for a difference.

Twisted-Imperial

01-02-2003, 07:52 AM

hey guys well its been a good xmas and i got a wacom so i really havnt been doin too much markers well i finsihed a peice i was working on for a while it is yet again on that crap paper but what ever it turned out decent:
peace out and welcome to the new year

http://www.figaming.com/crew/ti/dargon.jpg

Creepstown

01-03-2003, 07:26 AM

Pretty good man. You're really getting the hang of markers and i know how bad it is when your stuck with crappy marker paper. Your pigment lining really accentuates the form well. Particularily on the ribcage. It would be nice to see some more definite lightsourcing. Otherwise, keep it up.

Gentle Fury

01-03-2003, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Twisted Imperia
hey guys well its been a good xmas and i got a wacom so i really havnt been doin too much markers well i finsihed a peice i was working on for a while it is yet again on that crap paper but what ever it turned out decent:
peace out and welcome to the new year

http://www.figaming.com/crew/ti/dargon.jpg

looks really good.....the problem i think though isnt that the paper is crappy.....i think you are using the wrong side (as thats what it looks like when you do so) try flipping the paper over :)

Twisted-Imperial

01-03-2003, 07:46 AM

well i guess thats teh paper manufatures fault or who ever attached it to the pad ;) aw well ive been putting up with it but no more :D i should have some new marker works up again shortly because its a coffee night comin up first of the new year
well thx to all the replys for keepin my thread alive looks like almost 1000 hits :D so im updateing my signature for website/email access feel free to take a look (iknow selfish plug but what oh well its all over now :D)

Peace
and hope everyone can meet there resolutions this year i know ill be trying :beer:

dmcgrath

01-03-2003, 07:47 AM

Since you are in Oh Canada, they might sell Borden & Riley Pure Rag 100 marker paper. Almost no bleeding, and smooth. But enough tooth to hold pencil drawings too.

Alevice

01-03-2003, 06:29 PM

Well, all your marker works are really good to me. I think i should try to practice with them. Too bad 'artist''s materials are a bit too expensive here in mexico.

Twisted-Imperial

01-04-2003, 05:29 AM

yo alevice, i hear yea man art supplies are expensive here in canada too and i dont think ill be buying any for a while or at least until i get a job hehe witch is probably a while, hope i dont run out of paper heh oh by the way i picked up some paper that i originally used except a size up soo yea!!! i cant wait to crack it open and let the markers fly hopefully see some good peices by the end of the weekend
well peace out thx for all the views/posts

Gentle Fury

01-04-2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Twisted Imperia
well i guess thats teh paper manufatures fault or who ever attached it to the pad ;) aw well ive been putting up with it but no more :D i should have some new marker works up again shortly because its a coffee night comin up first of the new year
well thx to all the replys for keepin my thread alive looks like almost 1000 hits :D so im updateing my signature for website/email access feel free to take a look (iknow selfish plug but what oh well its all over now :D)

Peace
and hope everyone can meet there resolutions this year i know ill be trying :beer:

no man.....lol, all marker paper is like that. The glossy waxy side is facing up....and that is the side you are "supposed" to use....but what happens is, if you go more than one pass on it it starts to get all nasty like that.........which is why when i learned markers we were told to try using the other side.....it bleeds a lil more, but it doesnt get all funky and gets a LOT better results IMO......but, marker paper is always "upside-down"....give it a shot :)

dmcgrath

01-04-2003, 10:20 PM

The Borden&Riley paaer I mentioned above has no waxy film on it. Its just a good paper. But their website isn't working right now, so I don't know where you might be able to buy it in your neighborhood.
You can keep trying bordenriley.com (http://www.artproducts.com/borden/index.htm) maybe it is only temporary.