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RobertoOrtiz
12-27-2005, 02:50 PM
QUOTE:

"Insiders say an announcement is imminent that Disney and Pixar have renewed their distribution pact, it was reported Sunday.
Neither side would comment on the report, however, Daily Variety said.
Sources point to a new, closer relationship between the former rivals with Pixar's top executives gaining unprecedented access to the "Circle 7," a secret division formed under for Disney Chief Michael Eisner to make sequels to Pixar films.
Disney has already started production on "Toy Story 3" and the division will soon announce a second sequel from among several script in development. Variety predicted the choice will be between "Finding Nemo 2" or "Monsters, Inc. 2."


>>LINK<< (http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20051225-094559-1938r.htm)

-R

lestdog
12-27-2005, 03:28 PM
QUOTE:

"Circle 7," a secret division formed under for Disney Chief Michael Eisner to make sequels to Pixar films.


My God, what is this? The KGB of animation?

Dennik
12-27-2005, 03:54 PM
Well since we know its name, its not so secret anymore, is it?

BTW, as much as i'd hate to see sequels flop, i say at least, they'd better let pixar do the whole thing, and why not assist them since Chicken Little shows that they've got the skills. But please don't ruin them!

JeroenDStout
12-27-2005, 04:15 PM
Circle 7.


No, seriously, just..


Circle 7.


I mean, Ra's Az Guhl is a good name for a secret thing - 'Circle 7' is there with 'Plan 9 From Outer Space'!

cJaynes
12-27-2005, 04:17 PM
they'd better let pixar do the whole thing Haha exactly! Speaking of sequals - Toy Story 2 came back out on dvd yesterday I had forgotten how much I liked it. So sequals can be good!

Tabby
12-27-2005, 04:22 PM
Well they do kinda define each other anyway. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think without Disney, Pixar would just be a bunch of animated shorts in our memories (albeit very beautiful shorts). Without Pixar... Disney would just be, well, Chicken Little.

RobW720
12-27-2005, 04:35 PM
as long as entertaining, well animated movies with good story and character still are made, who cares what you call the company that makes it. Maybe they will join up Disney feature and pixar and call it Pixney that would be neat.

beaker
12-27-2005, 04:41 PM
Circle 7.


I mean, Ra's Az Guhl is a good name for a secret thing - 'Circle 7' is there with 'Plan 9 From Outer Space'!Circle 7 must be what the execs call it because everyone who works there knows it as "The Sequel Lab".

gundog
12-27-2005, 05:07 PM
no big mystery behind the name. Circle 7 is it's location.





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beaker
12-27-2005, 05:13 PM
Is that what they call the building they put them in on Flower Street right down the street from DW?

SpiralFace
12-27-2005, 05:24 PM
Well I'm just happy that the rumor that Disney was going to spend millions to buy out PIXAR never panned out into anything.

I think PIXAR NEEDS its somewhat independance from disney to avoid disney from makeing the decision to get rid of this laughable "circle 7" group and then just stick PIXAR on the job of makeing nothing but seqils to their already sucessfull features.

Thank goodness it did'nt pan out like that.

Shaderhacker
12-27-2005, 05:26 PM
Impressive. Well, I'm not really surprised..

Hopefully we'll hear some more details about it in the new year. They really can't go wrong with renegotiating the distribution license again.

-M

L.Rawlins
12-27-2005, 06:04 PM
'Circle 7' makes me think of the whole 'Majestic 12' underground government agency thing.

FloydBishop
12-27-2005, 06:48 PM
Disney had it's chance to buy into Pixar much more than they have so far, and they missed it (prior to the release of the first "Toy Story"). That chance won't come around again for them.

Shaderhacker
12-27-2005, 06:51 PM
Disney had it's chance to buy into Pixar much more than they have so far, and they missed it (prior to the release of the first "Toy Story"). That chance won't come around again for them.

Nope. No purchases.. but then again, they don't need any now. I think this renegotiation will be the best for both parties. The lingo "Disney/Pixar" will probably be the norm in the coming years.

-M

Kimotion
12-27-2005, 07:22 PM
'Circle 7' makes me think of the whole 'Majestic 12' underground government agency thing.

Circle 7 is where the Emperor executed Order 66.

gundog
12-27-2005, 07:48 PM
Is that what they call the building they put them in on Flower Street right down the street from DW?

driving on the 134 just pass the 101, you should be able to see a big ABC sign. can't recall, but i think it's a blue 7 inside a circle.

Circle 7 Drive,
Glendale, CA



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CupOWonton
12-27-2005, 07:57 PM
Just speculation, but If Disney and Pixar HAD merged, do you think their names would have merged as well?
EX: Squaresoft + Enix = SquareEnix
so: Disney + Pixar = Dixar? Pixney? Pisnar? Dixey?





Im joking btw.

Titus
12-27-2005, 08:02 PM
no big mystery behind the name. Circle 7 is it's location.

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According to Dante Alighieri, the 7th Circle of hell contained all those who were guilty of violence against nature (AKA sodomy). Go figure.

Lorecanth
12-27-2005, 08:05 PM
According to Dante Alighieri, the 7th Circle of hell contained all those who were guilty of violence against nature (AKA sodomy). Go figure.

ouch...well I guess selling your soul qualifies.

JeroenDStout
12-27-2005, 08:13 PM
Dixey
That is horrible and you are a bad, bad man. Thou should be ashamed of thyself!

sirap
12-28-2005, 01:33 AM
I agree that nearly all of the Disney sequels suck (pocahontas 2, lion king 2..etc)

But I wouldn't mind a sequel to the Incredibles, as long as Pixar handles it :thumbsup:

Nemoid
12-28-2005, 06:07 AM
circle of 7...dwarfs? :D

sorry, couldn't resist.


personally i'd like Pixar had more freedom than before. well, maybe that since its the 2nd time of a deal with Disney, they'll be able to obtain more freedom than before.

my dream keep being a Japanese president at Disney. we'll see cool 2D animation again, that way.LOL!!

sirap
12-28-2005, 12:41 PM
circle of 7...dwarfs? :D

sorry, couldn't resist.


personally i'd like Pixar had more freedom than before. well, maybe that since its the 2nd time of a deal with Disney, they'll be able to obtain more freedom than before.

my dream keep being a Japanese president at Disney. we'll see cool 2D animation again, that way.LOL!!

ewww...anime :scream:

JeroenDStout
12-28-2005, 01:23 PM
A combination of Disney and Animee would result in... ... oh sweet Yurok, run! Run you fools!

Nemoid
12-28-2005, 03:47 PM
considering the achievements that some anime got in storytelling, like with Miyazaki ones and otomo and Oshii works, and considering the technical level to which Disney brought 2d animation, i think things could be coupled a bit.
anime has its force in storytelling, design and editing rather than in animation (even if human figure animation ends to be very good in works like Akira and Steamboy ). Disney has its force in movement in 24 fps animation.
I think there would be very much to invent and experiment joining strong points of both worlds.

however : Pixar has its own unique style growing and growing. I'd like Disney let em develop it freely, possibly far than Disney's one, rather than impose models both in storytelling and in other elements (design , for example)

eek
12-28-2005, 04:39 PM
What happened to 'Toy Story 3' ?


eek

Shaderhacker
12-28-2005, 04:43 PM
What happened to 'Toy Story 3' ?


eek

It's still being made.

-M

eek
12-28-2005, 04:57 PM
Fu..*bleeep*

eek

SpiralFace
12-28-2005, 06:22 PM
considering the achievements that some anime got in storytelling, like with Miyazaki ones and otomo and Oshii works, and considering the technical level to which Disney brought 2d animation, i think things could be coupled a bit.
anime has its force in storytelling, design and editing rather than in animation (even if human figure animation ends to be very good in works like Akira and Steamboy ). Disney has its force in movement in 24 fps animation.
I think there would be very much to invent and experiment joining strong points of both worlds.

however : Pixar has its own unique style growing and growing. I'd like Disney let em develop it freely, possibly far than Disney's one, rather than impose models both in storytelling and in other elements (design , for example)

The problem is that (like American animation) for every good animator story teller, there are about 3-6 bad ones that put out just the tipical anime that almost anyone can recognize a mile away. It whould be great if every one was like Miyazaki, and Otomo, but that is simply not the case, and I don't see Miazaki leaving Ghibli any time soon so I doubt someone as big as him whould come abord disney if it ever made that move.

Anime can be just as generic as many other american animations, but they are a different type of generic which is why alot of americans where drawn to it. One thing that is done in pretty much every anime in existance is the entire philosopical moral of the story that gets presented (and sometimes bashed over the veiwers head,) in order for the story to move on. In some storys like Mononoke, it works beutifully. In some cases like in Ghost in the Shell innocence, it can tend to drag on and eventualy drag the movie down with it.

No sir, I beleave Japanese story telling should stay in Japan, there is already enough of it floating around that I don't think Disney needs to jump on the band wagon and make its own. (Although stylisticaly I see alot of newer american animations addopting this style.) There is enough merrit in American animation that I don't beleave we need to conform to another way of thinking, we just need to get our producers to back people like PIXAR who are in it more for the story telling then the money.

JeroenDStout
12-28-2005, 11:18 PM
Hm, one thing I can't stand about anime is that every time I see things 'anime' I can't hel but being annoyed way the protagonist always seems to be in thought or 'has a burden' and then has a group of likable friends who are all good fun and must .. must... have fun and someone sacrfices himself, oh how brave of him, and..
Very stereotypical image of anime, I know, but it just always looks like that to me when I see random things of it. Oh, and the big-breasted girls with eyes so large there's no place left for a brain. Which explains a thing or two.l

Yeah, well, Disney I mostly see as having innocent and 'dreamers' as protagonists and adding friends who are merely supportive and only do something really helpful when the protagonist has just messed up big time to show you get by with a little help from your friends.

Nemoid
12-29-2005, 12:03 PM
The problem is that (like American animation) for every good animator story teller, there are about 3-6 bad ones that put out just the tipical anime that almost anyone can recognize a mile away. It whould be great if every one was like Miyazaki, and Otomo, but that is simply not the case, and I don't see Miazaki leaving Ghibli any time soon so I doubt someone as big as him whould come abord disney if it ever made that move.

Anime can be just as generic as many other american animations, but they are a different type of generic which is why alot of americans where drawn to it. One thing that is done in pretty much every anime in existance is the entire philosopical moral of the story that gets presented (and sometimes bashed over the veiwers head,) in order for the story to move on. In some storys like Mononoke, it works beutifully. In some cases like in Ghost in the Shell innocence, it can tend to drag on and eventualy drag the movie down with it.

No sir, I beleave Japanese story telling should stay in Japan, there is already enough of it floating around that I don't think Disney needs to jump on the band wagon and make its own. (Although stylisticaly I see alot of newer american animations addopting this style.) There is enough merrit in American animation that I don't beleave we need to conform to another way of thinking, we just need to get our producers to back people like PIXAR who are in it more for the story telling then the money.

so true that not everyone is like Miyazaki and Otomo, or Oshii. it's also true that some anime are really stereotyped. probably you're right and japanimation should stay where it is now : i still think both worlds could share some influences to create something really new , especially in the field of human-like characters. i think american ones in general seem to be inferior to anime ones (just look to some superheroe animation feature different from batman adventures.) it comes to my mind that features like gargoyles were somewhat a good step towards that direction. :) that's all!

SpiralFace
12-29-2005, 07:40 PM
so true that not everyone is like Miyazaki and Otomo, or Oshii. it's also true that some anime are really stereotyped. probably you're right and japanimation should stay where it is now : i still think both worlds could share some influences to create something really new , especially in the field of human-like characters. i think american ones in general seem to be inferior to anime ones (just look to some superheroe animation feature different from batman adventures.) it comes to my mind that features like gargoyles were somewhat a good step towards that direction. :) that's all!

I'll agree with you on that. The contrived body armor, speedos and capes, get realy annoying to me in the comic hero type characters here in the states, but the big eyes and no concept of a jawbone or strech and compression, and sometimes anatomy REALY starts to get to me in the Anime style if it gets over done like in many of the newer shows comming out. A good merge of the two styles that I've seen is in the Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex series. Asides from Kusanagi, everyone is pretty much done realisticaly, and the show, I beleave, looks great becuase of it.

As for Disney makeing a blend, have you seen the new Rapunsel preview images? Those look like Anime crossed over with Barbie, I'm sure its not what your looking for, but there are companys out there trying to do just what your sugesting. It has yet to be seen if they are any good at it though.

Nemoid
12-30-2005, 10:00 AM
what i mainly like of certain good animes is how they deal with human fugure animation in most cases, and also cinema - like framing, using good POV like in real movies another good thing they make are backgrounds. facial animation is done quite cheaply in most cases and it would be good to have some jaw movements and so on. in Akira there was a well done lyp sinch as well as in Steamboy feature, and animation was better than common anime.

RobertoOrtiz
01-06-2006, 11:38 AM
UPDATE!

QUOTE:
"Pixar CEO Steve Jobs and Disney CEO Robert Iger have been in talks to prolong their long-term distribution agreement, which ends with this summer's release of the movie "Cars."

According to the Los Angeles Times, two sources close to the deal said ongoing talks have been turning to Disney acquiring all or part of Emeryville-based Pixar. In that case, Jobs, also CEO of Apple Computer, would become a major Disney shareholder and possibly the company's chairman."

>>LINK<< (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2006/01/02/daily40.html?from_rss=1)

-R

Shaderhacker
01-06-2006, 05:52 PM
So that's the reason that Pixar's stock skyrocketed yesterday. Damn! I just want to hear something official and like yesterday. This is getting ridiculous.

-M

rcronin
01-06-2006, 06:17 PM
Hmmm, I just can't imagine Disney execs buying Pixar and saying "hey, let them make their magic. Leave them alone and let them come up with what they do best". If Disney let artists fully write, design, animate and direct their productions we'd have seen a lot more amazing work come out of them lately. Perhaps more emotion drawing stories that have less to do with toy marketing, ride design, dvd sequels and all the other money monger things that Disney does. I see the same thing happening with Bluesky. Ice age - original, entertaining stuff. Robots - looks like WB execs playing the studio like marionettes "Like shrek but with robots". Scowls on the artist's faces.
I'd like to see a studio that was like classic Walt Disney. Only concerned to make enough money to make another movie, and make the next one a slight bit better...

JDex
01-06-2006, 06:45 PM
I'm going to go to bed now. Sad news is upon us.

Muad'Dib42
01-06-2006, 06:46 PM
Okay, so here's what I don't understand (somebody please correct me if my thinking is flawed)

First, Pixar split with Disney because they wanted a new deal where Pixar would take more of the profits from their films.

Now, it's being speculated that Jobs is essentially saying, "You know what, why don't you just take the whole company?"

So to first say you want more of the profit, and then turning around and potentially selling off the company to those very same people that you wanted more profit over, doesn't make much sense to me...

I guess maybe he just changed his mind?

Right on,
-Pete

rcronin
01-06-2006, 07:09 PM
Okay, so here's what I don't understand (somebody please correct me if my thinking is flawed)

Well, if I were to step into the shoes of a businessman, my prime directive is to make money. I've bought a potentially successful business but the main profits go to a larger partner for a set amount of time (contract). My business continues to balloon -this was unpredicted- and makes the parent company rich. Of course, when the deal is up I'm gone. I want those profits. BUT - a massive corporation (which happens to be the large partner) offers me bazillions of dollars for the once tiny profitable business. uhhhh "sure dude - here you go. I'll funnel this cash into my Ipod business." Jobs is a businessman. To turn a $10 million dollar investment into I'm guessing 100's of millions is a success. Nevermind the "artist ideal".

- not to mention, I'd say right now is the ideal time to sell, as multiple players are entering the game. Small shops all the way up to corporations like Sony and DW are eating large chunks of the "bound to ease off CG kids movie market". Pixar theater take will calm down eventually. And with Disney running their helm......eeeek.

nape
01-06-2006, 07:09 PM
Why doesn't it make sense? Jobs, as majority shareholder of Pixar, will simply make his money in a VERY large, one-time deal rather than over the course of the next 30 years by getting a share of each films profits. Don't kid yourselves Steve Jobs is looking for the best deal for Steve Jobs not for Buzz, Woody and the rest of the gang.

Muad'Dib42
01-06-2006, 07:28 PM
Yeah, you're both right... I wasn't quite looking at it that way.

Thanks!

AlbertArt
01-06-2006, 08:02 PM
Circle 7 sounds like a Cult... I wonder what other activities these folks participated in... :shrug:

In anycase, Pixar and Disney meant to be... for all time.

Shaderhacker
01-06-2006, 10:57 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Circle 7 gets to be an extension of Pixar! :)

-M

WillRyan
01-06-2006, 11:49 PM
The other part of the purchase that I read about somewhere on AnimationNation.com a while back was that Steve Jobs would get a prime seat somewhere high up in the tower at Disney... Apple sure does need a lot of content for that Video Ipod.

DangerAhead
01-07-2006, 12:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they're (Circle 7 animators) are given an escort to the studio front gate and Pixar takes the helm of Rapunzel, American Dog and any other projects.

Matt Leishman
01-07-2006, 01:06 AM
rapunzel and american dog are WDFA projects, not circle 7 projects. these are 2 distinct studios both owned by the Walt Disney company. There is no reason to believe that if the Walt Disney company bought Pixar that they would then allow the Pixar creatives to knock out directors and producers and artists and technicians (and anyone else whose been working on these shows for some years). If any "knocking out of people off projects", or "taking over of projects" happens between Pixar and the Walt Disney company's animated projects, the it would happen with the projects happening at circle 7. And even then, I doubt that anyone from Pixar is gonna knock out anyone from circle 7 if indeed any of this actually happens (disney buying pixar I mean). Maybe some collaboration, but no "knocking out" of people.

my 2 cents.

baby
01-08-2006, 11:34 AM
I read about all the circle 7 thing and comments, that I've done myself I tend to think...
wtf...are we pretending John Lasseter to be unique in the world ? I admire the guy more than anyone in the CG industry to the point that even if I don't like cars designs at all I know the movie will be great...but hey...
why circle 7 couldn't have a great director...great storytellers...and great animators...
I mean I would like afterall to see new adventures with buzz and woody...if Pixar doesn't want to make it maybe those guyzz can do something good out of it...and if not...well nevermind...it will be a bad movie but won't destroy what PIXAR has made with TS1 & 2.

that was my though of the day, I was saying the opposite not so long ago...but shit...if circle 7 was producing new features it would give lot of work to people here...so even if it's not so good...lot of guyzz would buy their food at the end of month from it...and nowadays it's not so bad after all...

tevih
01-08-2006, 02:51 PM
Find Nemo Again?

baby
01-08-2006, 03:02 PM
Finding moNe !! :)

JeroenDStout
01-08-2006, 03:14 PM
I read about all the circle 7 thing and comments, that I've done myself I tend to think...
wtf...are we pretending John Lasseter to be unique in the world ? I admire the guy more than anyone in the CG industry to the point that even if I don't like cars designs at all I know the movie will be great...but hey...
why circle 7 couldn't have a great director...great storytellers...and great animators...
I mean I would like afterall to see new adventures with buzz and woody...if Pixar doesn't want to make it maybe those guyzz can do something good out of it...and if not...well nevermind...it will be a bad movie but won't destroy what PIXAR has made with TS1 & 2.
Most likely, they couldn't have a great director because they're hiring the director which makes the most money.

As for destruction... I can't watch Matrix properly any more now that those silly sequels are out there. Same goes for the Star Wars prequels; the fearsome man in a black cape was just a boy with fears. Awww. Sequels can ruin a lot.

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