Open Figure Drawing Workshop 010 with Hong Ly and Rebeccak

[SaraD]

Oh my oh my... Already!? I´ll hurry and get rid of the pile of work on my desk to be able to dig on this one :)
C´ya soon!

[Rebeccak]

Alright! SaraD is our first taker! :bounce:

Hope you and everyone had a great holiday! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[cypherx]

I wouldn't mind doing a charcoal drawing of the very last pose... I work today though, it would have to be tonight

[Rebeccak]

cypherx,

Whenever you have the time ;) ~ each OFDW is officially open for 2 weeks, but then remains open indefinitely after that. :)

Looking forward to seeing your work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[EAD]

HEY HEY , storms in with the first image, definately gonna finnish this one, really like the pose and the high contrast lighting and colour, here's my initial stages!.


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7536/nudegirlv11zp.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Very cool to see AOAH stormin' the hill. :D

Looking forward to seeing you *cough* finish this one! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Corvax]

darn Andyonahill beat me to it... ohh well I'll settle for the second image :)

I'm about 45 min into this one.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-010_3-paint01.jpg

~David René.

[yulias]

here's what i have so far...

[/url][url="http://imageshack.us"]http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/909/progress1pc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[SaraD]

I did a doodle. Couldn´t find the time to do my usual style (darn that boss :D), so I sneaked some time for this one.
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010b_bw.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and everyone
Just started this. A long ways to go yet.
Beautiful elegant pose. Thank you Model.
Used oily round brush #35 in tinting section Painter 9
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Model_10_4.JPG


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_7.jpg

[K. Scott Gant]

Here's my WIP. About an hour so far. Only using Digital Watercolor in Painter 9 with New Simple Water and Pure Water brushes.

http://xs61.xs.to/pics/05523/sitting.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Wow, everyone! So cool to see so much work already...munching through dinner, will comment in a bit...great stuff already, keep up the great work!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

Hi,

this started out as a 15min-sketch, but I had so much trouble with it that I had to work much longer for such a basic result

infamous bad drawing day for me I guess....:cry:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/3843/study1cx.jpg

separate 2 and 5 min sketches:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/4175/2minstudy5lk.jpg

http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/2372/5minstudy7pk.jpg

[Rebeccak]

*chomps on sandwich* ~ Nice start, Mr. Mu! :) Don't despair...all digital paintings and frankly the majority of all artwork starts out in uglyville. I've got reams of bad drawings, it's par for the course. ;) You've got a great foundation! Keep plugging away ~ step back, and take a look at what you are doing. Can you zoom out with ArtRage? One easy way to lay down the basic foundation is to paint while zoomed out, so that your image is about 25% of it's real size. This allows you to just see the basic values, and quickly lay those in.

Looking forward to your update, Mr. Mu! *chomps a fry*.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

*chomps on sandwich* [...]*chomps a fry*

mmmhm, yummy fries-sandwich...:surprised

the majority of all artwork starts out in uglyville.

LOL...yea, but I need to make it migrate someday!:scream:


Can you zoom out with ArtRage? One easy way to lay down the basic foundation is to paint while zoomed out, so that your image is about 25% of it's real size. This allows you to just see the basic values, and quickly lay those in.

Ah, I did this in artweaver, and yes, most of the time I work zoomed out (though I do have the problem that my resolution is very low anyway due to artweaver's unfinished memory management.)

However, this reminds me that I have been told to use artrage next time (which happens to be this time) to make use of a higher resolution.... So I might just start this over in artrage. The three studies I posted are three of nine (sounds like a borg name) or so I did all in all, so one more or less does not matter to me.

[yulias]

im pretty much done... i felt bad about losing the sketchyness

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2412/progress0au.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Rebeccak]

yulias,

I think this is a beautiful start, :) but I think your painting could be improved if the colors were a bit less muddy. Her right foot appears to be floating ~ I think the balance of the figure is very well~established, but I think if you spent a bit more time refining the piece, you would end up with a lovely painting. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Okay, I have started to realize how little painting I've been doing...so here is my meager effort so far for this Workshop. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_1.jpg

Update:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_2.jpg

Hopefully I can guilt myself into finishing this one. :D



Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[MechaHateChimp]

Nice start Rebecca!

Here's what I got started so far:

http://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-01.jpg

http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-01.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Mecha,

Thanks! Sweet! Love it so far. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Here is another small update.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_3.jpg

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Final update for tonight:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_4.jpg

[dogyears]

My humble attempt.

The portraits so far are phenomenal, to say the least. Mecha's particuarly impressive - I love it how he defines the form with a few simple strokes. Don't think mine even compares ... but here you go anyway.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5361/nude3s0vy.jpg


Crit away. Paintovers welcome !

[dogyears]

one more. not 100% happy with this one either ... back is too straight I think.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/948/nude12ym.jpg

[Rebeccak]

dogyears,

Welcome to the OFDWs and to the Anatomy Forum! :) Great to see your posts! :)

I quite like the painterliness of both of these...may I ask, which paint package are you using? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Whaouw... lot of nice stuffs here...

with a particular care to the "yulias" drawing... the model pose is already very hard and strong... and you depict something again more in this mood, in this way... I really appreciate this style... not sweet, not comfortable... but more the pain to do well... great for me :thumbsup:



This is now my participation...

Click on the picture for a 1200x1600 version

http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/ofdw10_1_a_013.jpg (http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/ofdw10_1_a_013_1200.jpg)


All previous steps of the wip are visible on my Anat Thread... (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=300434&page=12&pp=15)

[Rebeccak]

Sweet, Lolo. :)

[Lemog]

Sweet, Lolo. :)
well... it's finish for me this week... I will try to continue with these other models next week... passionating :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Look forward to it, Lolo. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[ericyeo]

Hi everyone, so many good stuff :) .

I those ribs are so complicated. I tried but I delete off. Gonna it try tml.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

ericyeo,

Great start! I love that you're getting bold with color ~ it means you're getting confident with it. :)

Can't wait to see your update! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[yulias]

i dont have any time :( i spent too long on it already. i only have 10 days off from school and then its exams.

lemog - you've made my day :) btw your piece is really amazing, i love your sharp lines

ericyeo - those feet are amazing

[Rebeccak]

yulias,

No worries! :) You did a beautiful piece. :thumbsup: I hope you will join us for more OFDWs when you have the time. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[EAD]

:cool:Here's an update, I rejected colour for now due to my inabillity to employ it to any sort of basic standard>> switched to greyscale.


http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/8985/nudegirlv21ks.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Nice stuff, AOAH! :) The face is coming together nicely...which reminds me that I should get back to mine...:)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Small update for me...:D

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_02.jpg

[dogyears]

dogyears,

Welcome to the OFDWs and to the Anatomy Forum! :) Great to see your posts! :)

I quite like the painterliness of both of these...may I ask, which paint package are you using? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Nothing fancy. The Gimp actually - I can't even afford photoshop !

[Rebeccak]

dogyears,

No worries! :) Have you ever tried ArtRage?

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

It's a free downloadable app that's really great for painting also. I've used it just a bit ~ Mr. Mu uses it and really likes it. A friend of mine just raves about it. :)

You might want to check it out if you get the chance! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[dogyears]

dogyears,

No worries! :) Have you ever tried ArtRage?

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

It's a free downloadable app that's really great for painting also. I've used it just a bit ~ Mr. Mu uses it and really likes it. A friend of mine just raves about it. :)

You might want to check it out if you get the chance! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Actually I have, I'm not a big fan really. It's awesome software, but a tad too realistic ... to be honestl I don't really go out of the way to make my paintings painterly (I would actually like a more photorealistic style), but they just turn out that way somehow. Any tips ?

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by dogyears: Actually I have, I'm not a big fan really. It's awesome software, but a tad too realistic ... to be honest I don't really go out of the way to make my paintings painterly (I would actually like a more photorealistic style), but they just turn out that way somehow. Any tips?
Hmm, I'm not familiar with Gimp, but generally speaking I would say to limit your pallette initially to only a few colors ~ paint swatches on your canvas, and sample them repeatedly. Choose a light / highlight, a midtone, and a dark ~ and stick with that limited pallette. You could use a light pink, a medium orange~brown, and a dark brown, for example, and start to build the figure that way. Don't try to overcomplicate things. It's not color that's going to create form, it's VALUE. So focus on that and not on color.

Also, now that you've got a nice foundation laid, you might just try using smaller brushes to get more detail and to refine the figure. Concentrate on what matters the most ~ and work from large to small as you paint. Don't go after the eyes first, but the eye sockets, and the general shapes of the head.

After that point, it's just a matter of continually refining your shape and value placements.

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[dogyears]

Hmm, I'm not familiar with Gimp, but generally speaking I would say to limit your pallette initially to only a few colors ~ paint swatches on your canvas, and sample them repeatedly. Choose a light / highlight, a midtone, and a dark ~ and stick with that limited pallette. You could use a light pink, a medium orange~brown, and a dark brown, for example, and start to build the figure that way. Don't try to overcomplicate things. It's not color that's going to create form, it's VALUE. So focus on that and not on color.

Also, now that you've got a nice foundation laid, you might just try using smaller brushes to get more detail and to refine the figure. Concentrate on what matters the most ~ and work from large to small as you paint. Don't go after the eyes first, but the eye sockets, and the general shapes of the head.

After that point, it's just a matter of continually refining your shape and value placements.

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thanks. I will give that a shot in my next portrait ... maybe sometime later in the day.

[Rebeccak]

Cool! Look forward to the results...update coming up...

[Rebeccak]

Another update (sorry guys, I tend to do a lot of these) :D

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_03.jpg

[Corvax]

thats coming along quite nicely Rebeccak. are you going to color it or is it gonna remain a valuestudie?

face in black and white ~ not too successful thou :shrug: .


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/facevaluestudie01.jpg

~David René.

[Rebeccak]

Dave,

Thanks. :) I think I'll push it as far as I can value~wise, then start to color from there.

Very nice portrait / study! :) I quite like the lips and nose area especially. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[SaraD]

David - I like your portrait. You´ve captured the feeling and the impression well! And I agree with Rebeccak, the lips are very good. A suggestion - put some values in the eyes and you get more life in the portrait. A lightreflection for example.
Rebeccak - Color! Yeeeaahhh :bounce:

I´ve been trying all night to start a new study. But can´t concentrate. We have a big snowstorm moving in here at the moment, and my energy goes to weathercasts and updates on the radio. Just realized that I will not be able to drive to work tomorrow, so maybe I´ll find some time to paint then. The problem is that the kids have to stay at home as well, and we know how much peace and quite that brings :scream:

[Rebeccak]

SaraD,

LOL! A double~edged sword ~ a snow day, and kids! :scream: Hmm, maybe the kids will enjoy sleeping in? All day? :scream:

Looking forward to seeing your lightning~fast painting when it develops. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Another small update...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_04.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Step 1 of Colorization: things still looking metallic at this stage due to Blending Modes...will go back and tweak using Normal Mode, as per Stahlberg's excellent painting tutorial (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html).


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_05.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Color update...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_06.jpg

Not sure which I like better...only difference is the blending mode.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_06B.jpg

[Lemog]

Nice latest update darling... I love the shape contrast you made... really the good choice for this pose...

...mmmmh, maybe feet are little bit too big, not ? :) and pink too much present for the moment...

[Rebeccak]

Thanks Lolo! :) Lol, you scared me...I went to edit my post and didn't realize you had replied...:scream:

Yep, I agree, the first one was too pink. :) So I changed the Blending Mode on my top painting layer from "Normal" to "Color" in the 2nd image ~ which do you like better? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Oups... I forget my good morning Beckie... brrrrr very cold here... -13°C it's really the winter today...

well... Beckie... this one is really better... less disturbing so far :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Lolo,

Good morning. :) LOL, I know, after looking at it from a distance, I realized I was ruining all my value relationships...so setting the blending mode back to color helps it. I'll have to go in and tone down the highlights just a bit...as it looks too shiny / bright right now. :)

Oh, and the feet...I always make the hands / feet bigger initially so I can cut into them with the bkgrd color...I find it easier to paint that way for the hands feet, than to paint the exact right size fingers...guess I'm wierd that way! :scream:

Definitely learning a lot from this one! :wavey:

EDIT: Ah, cold for you there, eh? :) It's sleeting just a little here...I hate cold weather with a passion! I'm already ready for spring...:wise:

[Lemog]

Agree with you, this one is very interesting... I will do it next week for sure :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Sounds good, Lolo. :) How did your other (work) 2D pieces turn out? Toonshaded animations? Anything you can post? :)

[Lemog]

Sounds good, Lolo. :) How did your other (work) 2D pieces turn out? Toonshaded animations? Anything you can post? :)
My actual works... not dear... not very artistic :scream:
but I will post some pieces, old or less... more late in the day (I'm already late in my job... and I would try to doesn't work tomorrow :twisted:)

[SpiritDreamer]

Good Morning...Rebecca....:)

I am really likeing this one of yours...you took it way beyound the photo, and
personalized it with your great style....REALLY NICE ONE ...REBECCA...:thumbsup:

Glenn

[dogyears]

Following Rebbeca's advise, I forced myself to use three colours only, which I then blended together. I'm rather pleased with the rendering, light wise (though I'm afraid some parts are "overexposed"), not sure about the pose, will have to look at it again tommorow with fresh eyes.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4756/nude6s9em.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Orig posted by Lolo:
My actual works... not dear... not very artistic :scream:
but I will post some pieces, old or less... more late in the day (I'm already late in my job... and I would try to doesn't work tomorrow :twisted:)
No worries...haha, one day we can all burn our boring projects, won't that be fun? :scream:

Orig posted by Glenn:
Good Morning...Rebecca....:)

I am really likeing this one of yours...you took it way beyound the photo, and
personalized it with your great style....REALLY NICE ONE ...REBECCA...:thumbsup:
Thanks Glenn! :) Hoping to finish this one...finally! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

No worries...haha, one day we can all burn our boring projects, won't that be fun?
of course... in a real fire of happyness :thumbsup:

[EAD]

Rebecca__>> OUTSTANDING:thumbsup::eek:, possibly the best digital piece I've seen from you.

Anyway heres a little update from my humble self, I recon the head and kneck are in the wrong place_ gonna have to change that

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1092/nudegirlv31pt.jpg

[Rebeccak]

AOAH,

Thanks a bunch :) though I wouldn't necessarily agree with part of that statement. ;)

Thanks for the edit. ;)

Took a brief peek at your piece, and think it is coming along great...you're really focusing in, I can tell...looking forward to seeing you finish this beaut up! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

of course... in a real fire of happyness :thumbsup:
My fire would be bigger than your fire. :D

At any rate, I had a nice day at home yesterday (sick day) hence why I was able to get some painting done. :D Hmm...maybe I should schedule more sick days...:scream:...then I could catch up to everyone here! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

I'm okay with andy's words... it's right that your piece is particulary pleasant... and more :thumbsup:

I really appreciate yours too Andy... sweet and soft... and the little touch of red light is a great "plus"... I like these kind of originality which give "style"...

Well now... mine... I don't think to go more far... a test... and in very short time...
just for the eyes... but take care... no too longer :twisted: hahaha

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw10_2_wip_04.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Orig. posted by Lolo: I'm okay with andy's words... it's right that your piece is particulary pleasant... and more :thumbsup:
Thanks sweetie ;)

I really appreciate yours too Andy... sweet and soft... and the little touch of red light is a great "plus"... I like these kind of originality which give "style"...
I think the red marks are correction lines...but I like them too! :thumbsup:

Well now... mine... I don't think to go more far... a test... and in very short time...
just for the eyes... but take care... no too longer :twisted: hahaha

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c...10_2_wip_04.jpg (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw10_2_wip_04.jpg)
I like the feel to the face in particular quite a lot...and as always, I enjoy seeing your experimentation. :) I don't think one needs to have a set 'process' for painting ~ it would get boring that way, wouldn't it? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

dogyears,

Meant to reply to your post this morning, then had to rush to get out the door...:D

I really like the work you're doing here, I think the 3 color limited pallette is really helping you to focus on the important stuff, the form of the figure as created by values. :wip: Great stuff ~ look forward to an update! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[EAD]

Lemog/Rebecca;)>> you're both correct, the red lines were initially part of the construction drawing, but I have started to read them as a a possible rim light- it might just lift her out of the backgound. I'm going to explore that when I get onto the colouring.

Lemog> interesting use of texture, it almost reminds me of the facets on a 3d model, I like the background, it brings a context to the scene which the original photograph lacks.
keep experimenting :wip: it often leads to great things!

[Mu]

Hi there,

lemog - I like that experimentation, too. The facets make it very sensual.

I was reminded by a remark of rebecca that someone (I think it was you lemog, IIRC) told me to use artrage for higher resolution.

So, even though I had a much more advanced start than my new attempt, I think I will give artrage a try for this.

Some thing that is scary about artrage is that you cannot change canvas size once you created a new file, so I marked the most extreme points of the figure with artrage's tracing function to make sure I don't have to resize (which I can't). I erased the tracing layer and blocked in the shape freehanded from there and started on the face.

I think this is my tenth or so study of this pose. It has to lead to something good, otherwise I'm screwed...:scream:


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9695/progress17ci.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Here's what I have so far. Still some refinements to do, details, etc.
Also playing with composing. Going for triangular structures with a
circular flow. Will add more elements as they come to me.
Just trying to create a nice dreamy feeling with light shadow color
and atmosphere.
By the way, everybody's stuff is looking fabulous. Seems like everyone's
loosened up and started experimenting.:)
Nice :thumbsup:

Take care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_21.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo.jpg

[Rebeccak]

K. Scott Gant, yulias, Corvax, SaraD, Mr. Mu, Mecha, ericyeo, dogyears, AOAH, Glenn, cypherx, and, of course, Lolo, :)

Looking forward to seeing everyone's work when I get back in town! Keep up the outstanding work, I'm quite excited to be a part of this OFDW, and will definitely be getting back to it early next week (by which time I'm sure I'll be well behind). ;)

Cheers, and Happy New Year! :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

Hi,

quick update:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8928/progress20ii.jpg

[ericyeo]

there's still have a lots of refinement to be done. :bounce: The detailing are driving me crazy.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage2.jpg

[Vidar3d]

ericyeo,

Fantastic! I love the way you have captured the torque and twist of the torso. The feet also stick out to me as especially well constructed and drawn!

Your effort has shamed me into starting my first attempt tonight - thanks for the inspiration. :applause:

[Mu]

ericyeo - this is looking fantastic. Very strong physical presence of your subject. Her left hand is looking great, really.

:bounce:

I hope you can keep it up. I am Looking forward to your updates.

[Dark3D]

Well, here is my try! Had to go alittle fast though, just a break from my 3D game level.:rolleyes:
UGAC - Juggernaut Vehicle – Starr Shaw (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=301410)

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_CGFigure10-Final.jpg

View Full Size (http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/CGFigure10-Final.jpg)

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Everyone
Small update. Just refining and defining with light and shadow using colored brush strokes.
I want a non-photographic painterly look when I am finished.
Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_6.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_6.jpg

[cypherx]

Oh, I guess it makes sense that you can do digital on this considering this is a digital forum. doh!

[Vidar3d]

Ok, I'm calling it a night. I think I have her head tilted too far down. I don't know why but I had the hardest time with the basic gesture on this pose. It seems simple enough but I fought it and fought it.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010a.jpg

[SaraD]

I give up. I can´t. I´ve tried every single pose in this one. I start sketching, I stare on the screen for half an hour. And turn the computer off... I start another sketch, and then the same procedure... I just can´t find where to start. So, I leave it to rest for now, and lurk around admiring your pieces instead. I really like the different styles you´re all trying out. Stepping out of your normal way of painting and creating. And that´s a really good indication that those kind of forums are important. We encourage each other to try more, to want more and to dare more:) Cool.

Today is New Years Eve. The storm has ended, I´ve been able to get out of the house, and tonight I have the whole house filled with friends. Life is good.
I want to send my thoughts and hugs to all of you who´s not here tonight :), and wish you a Happy New Year, and see you all 2006! :bounce::wavey:

[Corvax]

SaraD

Yeah I can totally relate to that. I think the key is patience and lots of it, it seems that not having the patience is the biggest problem among aspirering artists. its pretty common that an Illustration will look like crap for most of the proses and its not because anything is wrong whit its simply that one hasn't finished rendering it yet.
for me this was one of the most important lesions to learn, I remember I use to have tons of curled up drawings on the floor and it wasn't because they were bad drawings, they just didn't look good immediately, and I was too quick to discard them. It was first when an instructor forced me to keep on working on the same drawing, even thou it thought it look awful, that I got the results I wanted. I still go trough what you're feeling right now every time I start a drawing, I get depressed and think that I don't have what it takes, but I think I gained the foresight now to know that if I stick whit it its all gonna turn out alright.

Don't give up on a drawing or painting right away if it doesn't look like you want it to, locate the areas that work and those that don't and correct them and keep on doing this until your satisfied. try to force your self to keep on working on the same painting, even thou you think it looks horrible and what you really want to to do is start over. you have the skill, just be a little more confident and have patience.

hope to see a painting from you soon.

~David René.

[SpiritDreamer]

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE and HAPPY NEW YEAR....:)
SaraD ...Sweden better stop bogarting all the snow...the rest of us need some also..:)
Sorry to hear that your haveing troble starting your poses, sounds like Rett is haveing
the same problem. Have you tried useing the peanut method...makes it simple for any
pose...just draw a peanut with a similar shape angle wise, as the modeles pelvis and
torso, then add legs, feet..arms, hands..neck, skull, and face...in that order...Hogarth
formula...A very simple method, that works every time, no matter how hard the pose
seems...Hope it helps, worth a try anyway...:)

Rett...she needs more belly..to much of an hour glass shape there...think her head and
neck are set deeper into her torso in photo...sharper angle on collar bones...
Hey.. forgot to tell you...in that sea lion cave, there is a dead sea lion on a ledge,that
has turned to stone...petrified...that's how long they have been comeing there to have
their babies..gives you a real sense of time, when you see it...

Glenn

[Mu]

Today is New Years Eve. The storm has ended, I´ve been able to get out of the house, and tonight I have the whole house filled with friends. Life is good.
I want to send my thoughts and hugs to all of you who´s not here tonight :), and wish you a Happy New Year, and see you all 2006!

Thanks a lot for your best wishes and all my best wishes go way up north to you! And while Corvax is definitely right about how stubborn termination will eventually get you there I think that sometimes giving up is a good expereince, too. It's like in a chess game: discarding a currentplan in order to focus on another.

And having the house full of friends sounds like a damn good plan! We'll do the same.

Have a nice end of the year and a happy new year to everyone.


_________________

My update, focused on the face and trying to get a likeness using Glenn's fabolous hints of OFDW007. Not quite there, but I am happier with her face than with any other face I did...always useful to know what to be happy about:D

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8070/progress30fs.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hey...MR MU...GREAT FACE and LIKENESS...:applause:

I think that if you ever get PAINTER, we are all going to be in troble trying to keep up
with you..:buttrock:

The only credit I desrve, in this likeness problem, is for shareing what I just happened
upon in the library...seemed to have helped you as much as it helped me..GREAT... :thumbsup:

Take Care and HAPPY NEW YEAR..MR MU... :bounce:
Glenn

[Mu]

I think that if you ever get PAINTER, we are all going to be in troble trying to keep up with you..:buttrock:

Lol, don't chuck your brushes in yet:scream:... I am lightyears behind you all!

But I appreciate your comments and it's always such a joy to work here.

Take Care and HAPPY NEW YEAR..MR MU... :bounce:
Glenn

the same to you! Happy new Year and many great visions, mr. SpiritDreamer!

[cypherx]

I'm not finished yet, but I don't think I'll be able to work on it any more today... I hope we don't have to make it look exactly like the photo with colours and portions :s

http://direwire.com/figure_1.jpg

[Vidar3d]

cypherx, I say outstanding! I love the background and what you did with the hair. I can't wait to see how it turns out as you finish it.

[SpiritDreamer]

Cypherx...Nice job on that figure...:thumbsup:
Like the way you used the photo, and didn't let it use you.:arteest:
Also like your cold cold colors, gives it that fantasy feeling...:applause:
What brushes and program are you useing... just curious....:shrug:
Smooth and silky looking...NICE...:)

Take Care
Glenn

[MechaHateChimp]

http://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-02.jpg

A little more refinement.

[SpiritDreamer]

Mecha Hate Chimp..

Capturing a beautiful mood, with your colors and lighting..
Also like the way her knee seemes to pop right out of the picture plane, gives the whole
painting...GREAT DEPTH...:thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn

[cypherx]

Thanks Vidar & Spirit

Spirit, I normally use three brushes when doing skintones (unless I'm doing a speedpaint, then only two), a solid brush, airbrush, and a scatter brush. I can throw something together so you can see which ones, if you would like. it'll take me a few minutes though

[cypherx]

OK, sorry about the size...

http://direwire.com/skinbrushes.jpg

edit- I forgot to say photoshop 7, though it's probably apparent now.
and sorry it wasn't neater or anything, I sort of was in a hurry to eat

[Per-Anders]

thought i'd have a quick join in, good work everyone, now back to coding.

http://www.peranders.com/gallery/images/lifedrawing004.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Awww, Per, great to see you stopping in, I think that's fabulous! :)

Only briefly checking in before heading out to visit some relatives, but it's awesome to see so much activity here already on the forum in shiny new 2006! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

cypherx - I love the cool atmosphere and the great sense of depth your lighting conveys!

mecha hate chimp - delicate face and soft expression on her look. I like that very much!

mdme_sadie - you captured her expression excellently. This will help me on my way to capture the likeness in this pose!

Hope you all had a great new year's eve...

til soon

[MechaHateChimp]

http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-03.jpghttp://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-03.jpg

More refinement.

mdme_sadie - wonderful rough. You captured the expression beautifully.

[Lemog]

As I can see... much pretty creations this 2 last days... great :thumbsup:


I wish you all my friends an Happy Drawing New Year 2006 :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[rblitz7]

WOAH!!:eek: Mecha Hate Chimp thats some great work! Such precision!:D

[Rebeccak]

Ahhhhhhhhhh...can't wait to be able to actually take a look at these beautiful pieces in depth...as it is, I think it will look funny when someone trundles into the 'business' center and sees me looking at nude images...:curious: :scream:

Cheers, and Happy New Year, everyone! :bounce:

~Rebeccak

[ericyeo]

Chimp: Looking great!! I love the colors and brush strokes :eek:
Mr. Mu: Ur improving fast! the face look well rendered :thumbsup:
cypherx: :eek:
Vidar3d. Thank u :D Looking good for the moment! Keep it up :thumbsup:

Good job everyone. Everyone deserves a clap :applause:

More rendering updates

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage4.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

BEAUTIFUL job on that figure so far.... Ericyeo....:thumbsup:

That goes for everyone...reailly. and seriously....:applause: :thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

ericyeo,

Just briefly got the chance to look at your piece, and I think you're doing fabulously! :applause: Really beautiful sense of presence to the model, and it looks as though you are gaining great confidence with color and value rapidly! Keep up the excellent work! :thumbsup:

Definitely want to post more about other peoples' work as well ~ some great work and comments going on! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

ericyeo! it is nice to see how you incorporated your new knowledge of warmer colors by blood circulation and all that stuff of I think it was last OFDW...
Also, you might not be aware of it, this wip gives away a lot of fascinating information on your workflow with all the little pools of colour and smears where you cut in from the negative space (I guess?)... so, really instructive wip and promising outstanding beauty. really anxious to see the end result.

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

Your post reminded me that I wanted to mention this book that I read over break to you ~ it's called:

"The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/104-5586297-4773545?url=index%3Dblended&field-keywords=%22The+Artist%27s+Complete+Guide+to+Figure+Drawing%22&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go)" by Anthony Ryder (artist).
As I wrote in the Anatomy Books thread, this is an excellent book, and not too expensive. The artist is a traditional artist working in pencil ~ his work is HIGHLY realistic and beautiful.

The reason I wanted to mention this book to you specifically is that it covers a method whereby you draw an envelope of the figure first (encompassing all of the outermost points of the figure) and then the contour, and then the interior of the form. I think this is a great method, and particularly applicable to people who use programs which do not allow you to resize the image or canvas.

I'm happy to post more of a visual example later on. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Another update. Worked on face of latest model. Softened brush stokes around
abdomen ribs and waiste to push them back in space. Leaving brushstokes crisp and spotlighted foreground of figure. Caravaggio's technique from what I have been able
to find and read about it. Information scarce on him and his technique. Also started modeling with colored brush strokes on model on right. Will make her secondary in composition to model on left using light and shadow after I finish modeling her form.
Will start refining male figure next. Amining for unity in composition using light and
shadow as a directional element. Creating a circular motion within a triangular composition.
Caravaggio style done in digital using Painter.
Alot of work left but having fun and definitely a challenge.
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_10.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_10.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Another update. Worked on face of latest model. Softened brush strokes around
abdomen ribs and waiste to push them back in space. Leaving brushstokes crisp
on spotlighted foreground of figure.
Caravaggio's technique from what I have been able to find and read about it.
Information scarce on him and his technique. Also started modeling with colored
brush strokes on model on right. Will make her secondary in composition to
model on left using light and shadow after I finish modeling her form.
Will start refining male figure next. Aiming for unity in composition using light
and shadow as a directional element.
Creating a circular motion within a triangular composition.
Caravaggio style done in digital using Painter.
Alot of work left but having fun and definitely a challenge.
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_10.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_10.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Okay, so what have I missed? :scream:

Le painting of Mr. Mu:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8928/progress20ii.jpg

You still working on this Mu~sters? I want to see a final outcome on this! :bounce:Work those feet buddy, I see you holding off! :scream:

Le painting of Dark3D:

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_CGFigure10-Final.jpg

Very cool to see you expanding your horizons here! Proportionally, I think the legs seem a bit short. From about her waist downward, I think she looks a bit small. I think it might help the piece to cover the white bkgrd, as it distracts from the figure quite a lot. But I'm really likin' the color experimentation and as always your confidence with the brushstrokes! :)

Le painting of Vidar3D:

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010a.jpg

Sweet work! You're really gaining confidence with proportions, and the feel of the pose is quite natural and relaxed. Hope you keep going with this!


Le painting of Mr. Mu:

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8070/progress30fs.jpg

Holy sh**!

The foot, Mr. Mu, the foot... :D

[Rebeccak]

Le painting of cypherx:

http://direwire.com/figure_1.jpg

Beautiful work! I love the deep blues of the bkgrd and the cold purplish pinks of the skin. I also think the temperature shift from foot to torso is quite sophisticated, though you could probably exploit the warm / cool contrast even more. I think the arms could be a bit thicker / longer, and the face could use a bit more dimensionality ~ the upper torso is the best, and I think if you worked on the feet, arms, and face, this would be a really exceptional piece! :)

Mecha's:

http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-02.jpg

Beautiful. With the exception of the hand~like feet, I think this painting has a perfect start! :)

Per's:

http://www.peranders.com/gallery/images/lifedrawing004.jpg

Would love to see this finished! :)

ericyeo's:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage4.jpg

Watch the shortness of the right arm. Try to give the face a bit more dimensionality. Lovin' your colors!!! Tremendous presence to this figure! :thumbsup:


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_10.jpg

Glenn,

Try not to get caught up so much in the color / mood of the piece, and go for anatomical accuracy instead. Sometimes mood can be a shortcut (I know because I do that a lot) and you don't want to shortchange yourself or your abilities. Hope to see this piece taken to completion! :thumbsup:

Cheers everyone!!!

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

And, SaraD, we really miss you on this one! Come back! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Vidar3d]

Here is a quick update. Hoping to tidey a few things up (hand, Sasquatch foot) and start coloring tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestions before Glen on my previous attempt having "too much hourglass".

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010v.jpg

[Lemog]

The last pieces are really incredible... with special congratulations to Cipherx... and Ericyeo's... the first for the originality of the realization... very real and in the same time far of the reality... I like... the second to give us a incredible feeling... don't know why... tones certainly.

Great inspiration of art with all these pieces... bravo people :applause:

[SaraD]

Rebeccak :love:

I´m still here :) I´ll give them another try...

[SaraD]

Antoher try...
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_001.jpg

[Squibbit]

:surprised

man u people are good...


.

[Rebeccak]

Vidar3d,

Very cool. :) Do you think her right leg may be a bit small? The face and torso are looking really nicely dimensional! :)

SaraD,

Yeah, she's back! :bounce: Sweet work...looking forward to an update! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

rebecca,


thanks for commenting! Hope you had a wonderful time out there in reality...:D

I am still working on this and will post an update later (first shy and stuporous indications of feet included).

BTW, got my pm?

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

LOL, I did get your PM, and it cracked me up...:D...but clearly I am lagging for having not yet responded. :scream: Will get to that soon, I promise. :)

You and I need to get to our updates! :D

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

ericyeo,

One thing I am noticing with your exceptional piece, is that the legs seem quite short for the upper torso and head ~ I think giving her more of a pronounced bottom and longer legs would really help, as currently she seems that she might topple over. :) I quite admire the way you are constructing this painting, however, and look forward to seeing your next update! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[EAD]

So much impressive work.

ericyeo> I am constantly amazed by the hands and feet> nice.

Mecha> really nice loose vibrant style

Some work on the head from me. The airbrush was getting tiresome and looking flat so I'm now trying to give it a more painterly feel.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/andrewead/nudegirl-v5detail.jpg

Andy *longing to see an update from Rebecca K*

[Rebeccak]

AOAH,

NICE. :thumbsup: That's a really fine study...definitely liking the painterly feel and the quiet mood ~ beautiful! :)

*Trying to figure out when I can update* :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

[SaraD]

Updates:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_002.JPG
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_003.JPG

[Mu]

You and I need to get to our updates! :D

right you are! Here it goes:

I ran out of value range for the highlights a bit, so, as I couldn't add light, I added darkness to make my highlights become lighter. I am trying to get a feel for the room... and the feet, Madam Kimmel, I know... the feet...

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/6996/progress46rx.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

Will have to sneak a look at this later. :D

[drawMonger]

Happy New Year All! Here's my WIPs so far...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-01.jpg
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-02.jpg
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-03.jpg

[Rebeccak]

drawMonger,

Great to see you back! Happy New Year!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

and another update,

still trying to establish a background and it makes the the whole thing feel much more real and sensible to me.

I think I'll leave the background at this crutch-like state for now and will go back to the figure, taking care of her legs...

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/2288/progress59we.jpg

[Mu]

Hi everyone!

As you can see I am still working on it...

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/783/progress66lj.jpg

[rblitz7]

Woah SaraD thats looking sweet!!:thumbsup: What method do you use for blending?

[SaraD]

rblitz7 - I use the same brushes as I paint with (some customized brushes in the oilcategory in Painter) and set resaturation and opacity to very low valules, sometimes resat 0% and opacity down to 10%.
Some progress.
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_004.JPG

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Ok Rebecca. I tried for anatomical accuracy instead of mood and color,
but ended up doing both. Shaved quite a bit off her torso, adjusted curves
here and there. Worked on whole figure, basically.
Put other female back into shadow. I now have the color harmony I was trying for and
unity of composition I am aiming for, I think.
Once again thanks for the push to do better and take it further.
More suggestions from you and anyone else are always welcome and appreciated
as always.
Top picture is yesterday's post.
Bottom picture is today's update.
Take Care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_10.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_20.jpg

[Mu]

SpiritDreamer - I am actually having a hard time trying to decide which one I like better...

I like them both!

refined the foot as Ma'am Kimmel seemed to consider the foot worth a double reminder...:D

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4878/progress75zb.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Thank's...MR MU...:wavey: ..

There are things I like about both of them myself...the beauty of digital, is I get to
keep all my versions, and learn from them, and apply what I've learned in my next
painting....AND THE BEAT GOES ON...:)

I like your painting, some nice stuff happening in it...you might want to work on that
shadow area around her shin bone, on lower extended leg...looks like a hole at the moment
needs more gradation to raise and round it some.
Hope that book Rebecca told you about helps in your process of painting.
Looking forward to seeing the results, and more updates from you...:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

[sturmkim]

hello everyone.
i just find this thread and falling in love!!

so much good stuff from everybody and warm comment and critiques from rebeccak...

i hope i can learn some figure drawing here.

see you guys around.

Here is my starting,,,,,, soooo many years passed from last hand(2d) drawing......
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/sturmkim/OFDW-010_1b.jpg

best
sturm

[Rebeccak]

sturmkim,

Welcome aboard! :) First I think you have a really nice start here, and I really would like to see you continue this piece! :)

If you don't mind, could you please copy and paste the URL of your image into the EDIT POST / text editor image icon ~ it's the yellow square with the sun / mountain pic. :)
That way we can see your lovely image without having to click on a link. ;)

Glad you found us! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

You are doing a FANTASTIC job here! :wip: Keep up the good work, and let's see more of those nice updates! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

drawMonger,

It's quite nice to see your progression on this one! :wip: It's cool to see how rough the piece starts out to be, and how much it changes. :)

SaraD,

Beautiful work, as usual! :cool: The skin texture is almost velvety, very nice work!! :thumbsup:

Glenn,

Keep going on this one. :) I like the colors a lot, but there are a few problems with the drawing. Keep pushing the single figure, I'd like to see how you develop it! :thumbsup:

Tremendous work, everyone! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

you might want to work on that shadow area around her shin bone, on lower extended leg...looks like a hole at the moment needs more gradation to raise and round it some.


you're so right...

it is fascinating how folks around here always manage to gently put the finger on the right (or rather not so right) spots, putting forward a question mark and I go "oh, erm, oops...yea... yea I know... hoped to get away with it...":scream:

That's what's helping me improve! :buttrock:

[SaraD]

Finished. I guess...
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_005.JPG

[Lemog]

Her left knee appear a little bit strange for me... maybe due to the shadow... don't know exactly... but the rest is really perfect for my eyes... I always really like your style... pixel by pixel... much patience for a great result :applause:

[Rebeccak]

SaraD,

Really beautiful result, and so fast!!! :cool: I love the deep blue bkgrd and the overall figure is great. The only small thing I notice is that the feet appear a bit small and just a bit weightless. Other than that, this to me is a fantastic piece! :applause:

Morning, Lolo. :) :wavey:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SaraD]

Hi. Thanks for the comments :) Tried to do some corrections. Looking better?
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_006.JPG

[Amerasu]

After a bit of an absence, I'm back here to learn some more. Pleased to see everyone is still around! :)

I started a new figure painting this afternoon and will finish it tonight... I hope. Excellent photos as always! I just love the shadows and colours of her skin, especially her face.

As you can see, I'm strugging with hands and feet as usual but I hope I can fix them up properly tonight.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure1.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Corrected all the anatomical mistakes I could find at the moment.
Also went for warmer colors and mood.
Any suggestions from anyone are welcome and appreciated.
As always.
1st is yesterdays post
2nd is todays update
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_22.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_26.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by SaraD: Finished. I guess...
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_005.JPG
Wow, that's a really nice painting for someone who had trouble getting started! :applause: :D
This is being really nitpicky, but I feel that there is something just a bit funny with her left clavicle ~ perhaps just a tiny bit too thin? I liked the previously darker lower leg, but the foot definitely does look better. :)

The upper torso and background are beautifully rendered! :thumbsup:

Imho, I think the face could use just a bit more dimensionality, and the right leg a bit more of a flexible look / feel. But these are minor critiques of course. Overall, this is a beautiful piece! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by Amerasu: After a bit of an absence, I'm back here to learn some more. Pleased to see everyone is still around! :)

I started a new figure painting this afternoon and will finish it tonight... I hope. Excellent photos as always! I just love the shadows and colours of her skin, especially her face.

As you can see, I'm strugging with hands and feet as usual but I hope I can fix them up properly tonight.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure1.jpg
Amerasu, great to see you back! :applause: Really phenomenal start, look forward to seeing your update! I think you and SaraD are the fastest painters we have! :D

Cheers, and Happy 2006! :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

Here is why I think that color can be deceptive:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Spirit_Dreamer_Rev.gif

While I like the drama of the intense color, when you take the color away, you can see why some of the figures are not yet working. Painting at bottom is all about DRAWING, and color alone never makes a good representational figurative painting. Don't rely on color ~ rely on value. I know I harp on this a lot, but I do so because I so strongly believe that value ALWAYS always always trumps color in terms of importance.

Just my little schpiel. :) As always, you are doing a lovely job, :) but at times I think you are too quick to jump the gun to a finished painting, when I tend to believe that establishing the basics are much more important. I hope this makes some sense. :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca..:)
I don't know how you took the color out of my painting, but when I take it out,
the detail remains along with the values.
It's my understanding, but I have been known to be wrong at times LOL !..:eek:
When a spotlight is cast on an object, the detail becomes less at the brightest
areas of the object, depending on, and varying with the intensity of the light.
If I'M wrong in this case, be sure to set me strait...
I'M not to sure, that it would be corect or proper to show every detail with the Caravaggio
type of lighting I'M trying for. Some of his figures are very vague, and some very sharp
depending on where they are in respect to the lighting ....:shrug:

Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_26a.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

You know, I thought something looked wiggy! :scream: May I offer my apologies? :D I think I need a new computer...LOL. ;)

Ok, you've definitely got me there. ;) I'll just be...over here. :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Rebecca...:p ...just kidding...:) ....no apologies necessary,...just wanted to make sure that
I wasn't way off in left field somewhere with this experiment I'M trying out...
Been known to happen to me at times LOL !
Thanks for the quick response, now I can go to sleep, and not have nightmares about
this painting...still not finished with it yet, a fun one to experiment with.
ThankYOU AGAIN...for all your GREAT ADVICE and HELP ALONG THE WAY....TEACHER...:bounce:

Take Care
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Awww, Glenn, that's sweet, thanks for understanding. :) Hahahaha, I am still laughing at myself! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Orig posted by sturmkim: Here is my starting,,,,,, soooo many years passed from last hand(2d) drawing......
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/sturmkim/OFDW-010_1b.jpg
Oh, yay, glad to see your image! :) Really nice start here, and hope to see your update! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

rebecca,Glenn,


I am by no means an expert (mentioning it as if it wasn't painfully obvious:rolleyes: ), but I read here (http://www.inkjetart.com/tips/grayscale/)that chosing "desaturate" for an image does not do the same as "greyscale"...

maybe the two of you chose different conversion modes?

Or maybe I don't have a ****ing clue what I am talking about? We'll never know...

[mark-jenkins]

Hi there,
This is my first post in this forum but I have been lurking for some time enjoying other peoples work and trying to learn from the advice given to others. I did this in my lunch hour (about 40 mins). I am trying to improve my anatomy and general wacom sketching skills.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/marcoj_1971/figure/figuredrawing-1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Marco J,

Welcome aboard! :) Sad to say that I can't look at your image atm, but definitely will do so later today. Glad to see you've come out of the shadows to post! :)

EDIT: Mr. Mu ~ Doh! I feel like an idiot! Thanks for your post, that really helps! Usually, when I desaturate an image, it does not take the value range out as it did on Glenn's piece ~ dunno why it turned out so strange, but oh well. Thanks again! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[drawMonger]

I am by no means an expert (mentioning it as if it wasn't painfully obvious:rolleyes: ), but I read here (http://www.inkjetart.com/tips/grayscale/)that chosing "desaturate" for an image does not do the same as "greyscale"...
I'll add two cents here...i find the best way to 'greyscale' an image (in photoshop) is to select image -> mode -> multichannel and then choose the channel (R,G or B) that looks best, delete the others and then convert to grayscale.

About 10 years ago (man, i feel old) i digitally restored photos for a hobby and this trick came in real handy.

BTW, Mr Mu...I love the likeness in your pic :thumbsup:...i've had trouble getting the face on mine to look like the model (so in the end didn't bother)...but yours is great!!

[drawMonger]

another WIP...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-05.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Used Goya colors. Warm earth tones for this version.
Rebecca:
I understand what you are saying about value trumps colors.
And why you're saying it for the benefit of this class.
But...
That is just one among many methods of paintng.
Rembrandt used it to tint with color over his black and white renderings.
But there is also a method used by the old masters where color is
used to create values in the painting. (color values)
In that method you don't start with black and white half tone
value underpainting.
You paint directly with color from the start and create values as
you proceed using only color.
In that method, color is value.
The lesson for everyone I think is:
Never say Never
Just limits your possibilities.
Take Care
Glenn

To Mr. Mu...
I agree - to take a color painting to black and white, de-saturating doesn't
work because the essence of it is to take out the color....oops! no painting left!
To go to gray scale or directly to a black and white version retains the values
that are in the original color painting.




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_25.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_25.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

You're totally right, and I definitely go straight for color when painting with oils :) ~ though the last time I painted with REAL oils has been quite a long time! :D I hope no one thinks I am anti~color ~ but for beginners in particular, value is most definitely the thing to emphasize. And for experienced persons such as yourself, it never hurts to be reminded. :)

Really, the issue is not only value, but drawing. It's easy to get caught up in the properties of painting, and it's harder to always stick to that fundamental principle of "Drawing IS Painting". All of us need to become better draughtsmen in order to become better painters. It's a lifelong quest for all artists. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Amerasu]

I'll call this finished and I'll start on another one today. I think I'll just do a body part study though.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/paintings/010_figure1_final.jpg

[Corvax]

just to clarify the whole desaturate vs. grayscale ..

Desaturate will create an average of the R, G and B channels and sens each channel at an
equal number doesn't reside on the same spot on a value range this offcause wont work :).

I find that a good technique is to create a layer on top of all your other ones, fill it whit any gray color and set the blendmode to color. You'll get an accurate depiction of your values and all the property of a layer, so you can quickly switch it on and off to see you values, and then go back to painting whit color. And you wont have to strip you color information like you would whit grayscale.

---
I should really stop mocking around playing tek-head and get back to painting.;)

~David René

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca...;)
You are totally right, and I totally agree...good solid draftmanship is the KEY and the GOAL.!!!
Your method of teaching.. IT... is OUTSTANDING ....:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

[SaraD]

Hi gang! Some really good and interesting paintings going on here. As always!

Thanks for the points on my painting... Had to look the word up Rebeccak (the clecavle...-thing), but now I know what to work on more :) And I so agree with you on the face. I´ll try to bring some more depth and dimension in it. Later.

One question when it comes to the B/W-underpainting a lot of you guys are doing... In what program are you working? I´ve tried the technique in Painter and can´t get a hold of it. I don´t feel that the different layer-options give me good enough result :( How are you doing it? As you know I work in color from the beginning, or leave the painting in black/white...

Amerasu - I really like your style. I´m in awe of the face, and hands. Good work!

[Rebeccak]

Glenn,

LOL, thanks. :D

SaraD,

Hey there! :) I've not tried the method in Painter, as I primarily use Photoshop. :) I think there are blending modes in Painter, but Glenn / Spirit Dreamer is the best person to field any Painter questions. :)

Of course, one thing you could try would be to bring the Painter file into Photoshop, and add the blending mode layers there.

Stahlberg's tutorial is really great:

http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Regarding anything I say that is wrong / stupid, :D you guys need to call me out on it more often. :D ~ I'm not offended, it helps! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

as regards the value-desaturate-approach-to-painting discussion:

I find this debate exemplary for the focused and factual yet at the same time passionate and open-hearted style this forum maintains.

You might not be aware of it, but for me as a beginner to see the pros discuss their approaches is really valuable (no pun intended) information.

BTW, Mr Mu...I love the likeness in your pic :thumbsup:...i've had trouble getting the face on mine to look like the model (so in the end didn't bother)...but yours is great!!

Oh, man this means much to me, as you might not be aware of the fact that I took your work (among others) as a quality guide for my work in the OFDW - so thank you.

As concerns the likeness - I followed the hints Glenn posted in OFDW007. I haven't got to the same level Amerasu has reached (really great Amerasu), so if I feel bold enough I might go back to the face again when I am finished with the rest of the painting

[pushav]

Nice work everyone.
Too bad that I did not join this one.
How did I miss this.:banghead:

[Amerasu]

I started on another pose and wow, this position is tough!! I can't count the number of times I've erased, smudged or adjusted lines, arms, feets, legs and head. I'm still not totally on but I'll keep working at it.

I thought I'd go black & white and then colour after, something I never do. I always start right in colour so this will be new to me. I read the colouring/painting tutorial pasted somewhere on this thread and will give that a whirl, see how it goes.

Thanks for comments on previous painting :)

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure2e.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi SaraD....A good and easy way to turn your colored painting into a black and white
halftone, to check out your values ect. useing PAINTER....
Go to EFFECTS top of screen..select...menu comes up...select SURFACE CONTROL on that
menu, then another menu comes up..select EXPRESS TEXTURE on that menu....
Now slide middle bar that says..GRAIN.. all the way to the left...
Adjust top bar...GREY THESHOLD, and CONTRAST bottom bar, until your picture comes
into focus....you can move your picture around in the view box, by holding your pen
down on it.
When you get your picture in focus, save it as a different number or version, and press OK..
That way you won't loose your colored version.
Hope this helps you out some...if you have any problems with it , let me know.
By the way, I really like the way you get the female skin to look so soft and beautiful..:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

[Mu]

wow amerasu,
such a great likeness again and so quick! Great feel of balance on this difficult pose!

It's about time that I pulled it all together. So this is my starting point for the finishing refinements.

I am having a hard time using artrage's blending pallette knife as it is much bigger than the smallest brush even when set to 1%. I will have to blend some details with the smallest brush itself. This process will give it some texture, so it might not be bad after all.

All in all I can say I am so grateful for the hint I got in one of the last OFDWs to use artrage. Been a great experience...

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/2098/progress89qg.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

MR MU....Strongest work I have seen from you yet, a lot of nice things happening in it...:thumbsup:
GREAT FACE also....:)

Take Care
Glenn

[Amerasu]

I'm going to call this done. My colouring after the fact looked terrible. I don't even want to post it. I think I'll stick to colouring my normal way :cry:

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/paintings/010_figure2_final.jpg

Here's my stages, though I forgot to save the initial sketch.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure2_stages.jpg


Mr. Mu Thank you! And I admire your painting in Artrage! I really like that program but I'm just not very good with it. I'm so used to the easiness of Photoshop that I find it difficult to paint digitally without layers and undo's. I can't blend like I want to. Anyway, I think your face is beautiful! The lighting is especially nice. It's a fantastic photo for facial lighting and you're definitely doing it justice. Nice work :)

Spirit Dreamer As usual, great work! I really love your "painterly" style. It's something I aspire to as I tend to totally over-render sometimes. I like the way you always put different poses together. It's all very artistic and soft :)

drawMonger Looking very strong so far! I like the way you've upped the brightness so her whole body is visible. Her face looks excellent already and her proportations seem right on. Good stuff!

Marco J Nice work for 40 minutes! It looks like you have a good start with the black and white values so it will be nice to see it finished.

SaraD Beautiful! You're so detailed and smooth with your painting! She looks so soft and creamy with that gorgeous skin. Excellent job with the lighting too :)

sturmkim Good start! I like the pastel look you have going on and I think you have a nice beginning. Looking forward to seeing it completed.

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

Soooo impressed!!! :applause: Keep up the excellent work! ;)

Amerasu,

Nice work! Looking forward to your update! :wavey:

A little update from me...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_5A.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_5-CUA.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Morning people :wavey:



Mr Mu -> great progress with this piece... you can be proud... it's very good... very effective style... :beer:



Amerasu -> congratulations for your latest pic...grey appear very good for her... maybe a background soon ? :thumbsup:



Beckie -> your sweet-soft-smooth-style... I'm always a fan of your art... beautiful work... of course... we ask for more :buttrock:

[Vidar3d]

Rebecca, simply fantastic! I love the shading and hues!

Great progress MU!

Here is a colored update.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010b.jpg

[SaraD]

Did some picking here and there :) A new "finished" painting :scream:
I think I leave this one now. You can always go back and find things that´s not perfect, but you have to draw the line to yourself, and I do that now :banghead:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_007.JPG

And SpiritDreamer - thanks for the tip, but that´s not really what I´m after. I want to find a good technique to paint a black and white underpainting and then colorize it without getting a greyish, dirty color. I´ve tried the different layeroptions in Painter, but can´t find the best way to do. A main problem for me, who uses brushes that blend, is that I either have to "Pick up underlying colour" OR get a white color for the blended edges. In Phostoshop you can smudge, for example, with transparency in the smudged areas. Is there a way of doing that in Painter? Do you get what I´m after or am I to blurry :argh: It´s hard to explain...

[Rebeccak]

Lolo,

Thanks!! :) Great to see you here on the weekend! :arteest:

Vidar3d,

Thank you! :) I've a long way to go on this piece...missing last weekend due to travel hasn't helped my cause, but that's just my silly excuse! :scream:

I am hugely impressed with your piece ~ you're improving at a great rate, and learning a lot, I think, from the tremendous talent pool here. :)

Minor crits would be to work a bit on the clavicles (they look a bit thin / frail for her build) and the feet. Marvelous progress ~ keep going! :wip:

SaraD,

I think this pose looks much more natural, and I like your adjustments with the clavicle, leg. :)

Again, I don't know Painter, but it may be worthwhile to try to just bring the Painter piece into PS and do the blending modes there. Just a suggestion, of course. :)

Everyone's doing really great work! Very inspiring guys!! :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Amerasu
Your rendering was so beautiful I couldn't resist putting some color in it using Painter.
Hope you are not offended or anything. Only spent about 10 minutes on it.
Can be taken alot further color-wise I am sure.

SaraD:
I rarely use blenders. Just colored brush strokes and filters or effects.
Don't know if this tutorial will be of any help to you.

Here ia a link to a tutorial I did on the "Beginner's Lounge":
Painting Tutorial (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229&page=14&pp=15)

I never paint over gray scale underpainting. But I can get color in an image
like I just did on Amerasu's piece by using effects only. You might try going that route
and then putting a layer on top and try painting your colors on the top layer.
I don't think you'll get "mud" that way. But I am not sure...Try it anyway.

If all your shadows and rendering are correct in gray scale, you should not have
to use any "blenders" to put color in. That would be the wrong "tool".
You should be able to just tint it like Rembradt did his paintings.
(with digital you can use filters and effects to achieve the same outcome)
Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/paint_over_10-2.jpg

[Amerasu]

Spirit Dreamer, No.. I don't mind at all! I think she looks pretty good in the gold tones :)

I'm with you though, I'll stick to my coloured brush strokes for the most part when I want a colour painting. Colouring on gray scale didn't go well for me. I'm sure that's because I don't have a clue what I'm doing!! I can blend, shade, overlay, multiply, etc. forever but it still doesn't look natural to me. I've seen some amazing results of people painting over grayscale but I can't manage it yet.

[SaraD]

SpiritDreamer and Rebeccak - I´ll try your different techniques and see what I can do with them.

Just to clarify about blenders - I don´t use the blendertools, but I use brushes with low opacity and resaturation. Maybe the "real" blender tools works differently. Gonna try those :)

[Pingulord]

Hey there everyone! ^^
Great pictures Ive seen so far...
Im really new to this whole buisiness so Im a bit late but I wanted to post something aswell, so here it is.. -.-
http://www.funnypage.info/files/back.jpg

This one took me some hours.. well Im not quiet sure how long it really was but it was definetly to long. -.-°

[jinnseng]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/11gests.jpg

A WIP. I'm working down the body, right now i'm around the stomach area right now. Her face looks old! I need to go back and work on that... and probably a hundred other things.

[Rebeccak]

jinnseng,

Great to have you join us! :)

I agree that the face looks a bit old atm, but I think that's easily fixed by removing the heavy facial crease running alongside her nose, cheek, and mouth.

The torso and left shoulder are looking quite good ~ keep going, I'm sure you will get there! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

jinnseng - unique look and great values... looking forward to your progress

Everybody!
Thanks so much for your appreciation and warm comments. You know, I just started last year and I think I will remember the support and open-hearted help I received here on my struggle to learn drawing/painting even in years from now on.

Yeah, my journey has just begun!:buttrock:

Alas, I do understand how someone on this forums said art is never finished, only abandoned... I can't look at it no longer. So, unless someone points out something that I simply cannot leave like this I call this finished.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/8702/progress91jy.jpg

tried to colorize it using the gimp and a color layer. I used desaturated tones for the light/exposed parts and rather saturated colors for the shades.
Rebecca, in stahlbergs tutorial he mentions his skin shading tutorial for further details, but I don't know where that is... How do I decide which tones to use on which parts in order to not make it look like metal (as stahlberg warns):

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9894/colouredlofi1sg.jpg

don't we all just love animations?

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/8351/progressanim7fi.gif

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by Pingulord:
http://www.funnypage.info/files/back.jpg
Pingulord, my apologies, didn't see your post before! Welcome to CGTalk, and to the Anatomy Forum! :) We're glad to have you aboard. Would you like to tell us something about yourself, your background, and your training? This always helps. :)

Even though technically this piece is for another OFDW, it's fine with me if you post here, as you will be more likely to get group feedback that way. However, typically, we try to post work to the Workshops that uses Reference from that particular OFDW. But no worries. :)

You've got a nice start here ~ I look forward to seeing your update!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Alas, I do understand how someone on this forums said art is never finished, only abandoned... I can't look at it no longer. So, unless someone points out something that I simply cannot leave like this I call this finished.
Mr. Mu, I would say to focus on black and white at this point, and not worry about color. I think the main thing I would say to continue to work on would be her hand, as she seems to have exceedingly long fingers. Apart from that, I must congratulate you on coming such a long way in such a short amount of time! :wip:

Rebecca, in stahlbergs tutorial he mentions his skin shading tutorial for further details, but I don't know where that is... How do I decide which tones to use on which parts in order to not make it look like metal (as stahlberg warns):
Note that in the Painting Tutorial, Steven says:

When you've taken this as far as it can go, start using brushes in 'Normal' mode. (Again I use round hardedged brushes, with pressure sensitive opacity mostly, occasionally Airbrush or texture brushes.) You'll know when it's reached that stage, you can feel it - the point of sharply diminishing return. It gets harder and harder to see what you're doing with these modes, since they're very transparent and subtle. For the next level of subtlety it's best to use straight Normal mode. But if the preceding stage of colorization has gotten you close enough, you won't need to cover all of the image with 100% opacity, you can focus on some areas, which makes it easier.

Now is also the time when I enlarge the image to it's final resolution, to get all the detailing done with the opaque paint.


There is included on his page a Skin Shading Tutorial, but it's for 3D ~ haven't read it, you may wish to to see if it contains any applicable 2D bits of information.


The painting tutorial is here:
http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html


All of Steven's tutorials are here:
http://www.androidblues.com/howto.html


Hope this helps!


Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

When you've taken this as far as it can go, start using brushes in 'Normal' mode.[...]

oh well, I overlooked this. I would mess up completely using normal mode, that is for sure. I will remain monochromatic, then.

Don't think I am not listening to your repeated advice about this, it is just that I long for being able to use colour one day and I also wonder what the steps for my transition or expanding will be.

Cause I am absolutely clueless about this, at the time being. I have read about color theory , but it is so much information I just can't figure out an ordered or tidy approach to it. I have read about primary,secondary and tertiary colors, I kept in mind that colors saturate in strong light, except when you deal with skin, I read about subsurface scattering and color pallettes - yet after all it seems that I am still missing that one decisive hint for a first step into the world of colour...

*sigh*

Maybe I am just impatient.

I will stick to monochrome until I figured this out...:wip:

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

There is total honor in taking things one step at a time. :) There is a color thread somewhere hereabouts...why not take a simple image, like a landscape (no figure) and try to reproduce it digitally? I can help you out. Best to separate out the color exercises initially from the overall more complex problem of figure + color.

Color Theory and The Human Figure - NUDITY (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303793)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303793

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Pingulord]

Thanks Rebecca... and sorry for the wrong posting. I heavnt looked trough most of the works since Ive got only 56k DialUp... T__T

Ohhh well... about my backgroud... Im from Germany and still in school right now. And my training... well... just looking at every possible thing around me. ^^ Learned the basics of drawing heads years before and learned from my own since then.
I usually draw the classical way with pencils and coal but digital art is cheaper because you dont have to buy colors and good brushes all the time... -.-
I dont really know what to say anymore, besides a big sry for my bad english and please ask anything if you want to.

@Jinseng: I think you should be able to fix the face quite easy... just "pull" her cheak up a little bit. And I think her right shoulder looks kinda odd.... you should propably render it a bit smoother. ^^ Still thats some great work youve got there... XD

[Icey]

hope i'm not always the last one to post his work on these threads :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/phoodjajjfpsd.jpg

[Mu]

There is a color thread somewhere hereabouts...why not take a simple image, like a landscape (no figure) and try to reproduce it digitally? I can help you out

*rubs a tear out of the corner of his eye*

thank you.... I will post an exercise for this task in the given thread then.:beer:

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

LOL, no prob. :)

Icey,

As always, your drawings are beautiful...I think I had mentioned that you would really like Ingres (pronounced sort of like ahn~gruh) before, you should really look at his work! :)

http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ingwoodh.jpg
http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ingwoodh.jpg

http://www.oberlin.edu/allenart/artpix2/ingres_dominique_cf1.jpg
http://www.oberlin.edu/allenart/artpix2/ingres_dominique_cf1.jpg

http://www.kmtspace.com/kmt/bf-ingres-orign.jpg
http://www.kmtspace.com/kmt/bf-ingres-orign.jpg

http://artquizz.free.fr/ingres/ingres13.jpg
http://artquizz.free.fr/ingres/ingres13.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Icey]

rebeccak, i do like him! :) i see he has an wonderful style! I don't think it'll be among my favorites, but he has beautyful style :)

i really like a lot pierre paul :) the anatomy on that guy just flows like a melody, with guitars and mandolins and sometimes drums...
i'll check more of ingres work ... maby i'll make a larger ideea about him :)
thank you for the images

[Rebeccak]

Icey,

I love Prud'hon, too! :)


http://www.talleyrand.org/entourage/images/pierre_paul_royer_collard_001.jpg
http://www.talleyrand.org/entourage/images/pierre_paul_royer_collard_001.jpg

http://www.art.net/studios/visual/Rebecca/RoughPrud.jpg
http://www.art.net/studios/visual/Rebecca/RoughPrud.jpg

http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsprudhondr.jpg
http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsprudhondr.jpg

http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/stern/Images/stern3-30-6s.jpg
http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/stern/Images/stern3-30-6s.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/660000/images/_661281_nude150.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/660000/images/_661281_nude150.jpg

http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsingresgraphite.jpg
http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsingresgraphite.jpg

Icey, have you ever done any Master Copies from Prud'hon, or from others? :)

EDIT: Also, I think you would quite enjoy this book:

"The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823003035/ref=pd_kar_gw_1/103-2497184-1739012?%5Fencoding=UTF8%2CUTF8&v=glance&n=283155) by Anthony Ryder (artist).
As written in the BOOKS thread: it's an excellent book, and not too expensive. The artist is a traditional artist working in pencil ~ his work is HIGHLY realistic and beautiful.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Icey]

yes! :) ofcourse :) but quite a wile ago... my studys aren't that good...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/cdcbd310.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/lord/5518b83c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/lord/5a337686.jpg

and this - with the angel wings - a total mess :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/lord/8821c5ed.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Icey,

Wow, these really attest to the power and purpose of doing Master Studies ~ the discipline really shows in your own work! It would be terrific to see more studies like these ~ you should really start your own Anatomy Thread ~ Anatomy Thread of Icey ~ and post these as well as your other works there as well. :)

It looks like the main thing you struggle with in these copies is the lower leg and foot ~ perhaps some studies of just these areas might help? Just a thought. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Icey]

hehe - maby i will start that thread :)

it;s not much to show, but... it wown't do no harm :) I do have certain problems and areas i'm strugleing with , but i'm fighting with them! :) We'll see who wins the fight in the end

cheers!

Icey

[Lemog]

This one is finish now...

...I've tried something different of my usual style... hope you like...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw10_3_07_540.jpg

[mark-jenkins]

This is about 3-4 hours progress. I was going to colour it but I see that OFDW 11 is up and running so I am going to leave this as it is for now. I may come back to it later.