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Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 12:21 AM
NOW OPEN!!! OPEN FIGURE DRAWING WORKSHOP 010!!!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Hong-Ly-Announcement.jpg


Welcome to the TENTH thread of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop!!!


>>>Click HERE for Hong Ly's Website<<< (http://www.characterdesigns.com/)

>>RULES FOR THE THREADS<<


1. Photographs are the property of Hong Ly and are copyrighted as such.

2. Photographs are NOT to be used for ANY other purpose apart from Figurative Drawing Reference for this thread on CGTalk.

3. The drawings created from the photo reference provided here MUST be TASTEFUL, SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, and for the purpose of serious study of the human figure. Those who post silly, disrespectful, or tasteless work will have their posts deleted immediately and will no longer be allowed to post on this thread. Hong Ly, Rebecca Kimmel, and Roberto Ortiz reserve the right to determine which drawings are considered to be in poor taste and / or disrespectful to the model/s, who have generously agreed to allow their images to be used on the condition that they be used for the tasteful and serious study of Figurative Art only.

4. There is NO TIME LIMIT for posting on this thread.

5. New threads containing new photographs will be posted on a bi-weekly basis, depending on the number of photographs available.

6. There is NO LIMIT to the NUMBER of posts an artist may make. However, we ask that you post only your BEST WORK, even if it is considered unfinished.

7. Artists who post comments and critiques of other artists' work on this thread must be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, and offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Flaming will be NOT be tolerated, and constitutes dismissal from this and other threads.

8. I will be offering the occasional comments / critique ~ however, the main focus of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop threads should be on Group Critique and interaction. :)

9. ANY MEDIUM or STYLE may be used: Traditional or Digital Drawing or Painting, Gestural, Sketch, Finished Render, etc.

10. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

11. Please limit the SIZE of your POSTS to 800 pixels WIDTH x Appropriate pixel LENGTH. No huge posts, please!

12. Have fun, enjoy, and create great art! :)

LINKS to Photographs: WARNING! Nudity:

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 1 ~ Female, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-010_1.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 2 ~ (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-010_2.jpg)Female, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-010_2.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 3 ~ Female, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-010_3.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 4 ~ Female, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-010_4.jpg)


PLEASE NOTE: WIP (Work In Progress) images are an important part of the OFDWs and are encouraged. Please DO post WIP images as you work on your pieces. :)

Also note that all previous OFDWs are listed in Post #3 here:
Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)

Good luck! :)



~Rebeccak and Hong Ly

SaraD
12-27-2005, 09:29 AM
Oh my oh my... Already!? Ill hurry and get rid of the pile of work on my desk to be able to dig on this one :)
Cya soon!

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 11:08 AM
Alright! SaraD is our first taker! :bounce:

Hope you and everyone had a great holiday! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

cypherx
12-27-2005, 11:12 AM
I wouldn't mind doing a charcoal drawing of the very last pose... I work today though, it would have to be tonight

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 11:17 AM
cypherx,

Whenever you have the time ;) ~ each OFDW is officially open for 2 weeks, but then remains open indefinitely after that. :)

Looking forward to seeing your work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

EAD
12-27-2005, 04:09 PM
HEY HEY , storms in with the first image, definately gonna finnish this one, really like the pose and the high contrast lighting and colour, here's my initial stages!.


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7536/nudegirlv11zp.jpg

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 04:14 PM
Very cool to see AOAH stormin' the hill. :D

Looking forward to seeing you *cough* finish this one! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
12-27-2005, 05:12 PM
darn Andyonahill beat me to it... ohh well I'll settle for the second image :)

I'm about 45 min into this one.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-010_3-paint01.jpg

~David Ren.

yulias
12-27-2005, 07:05 PM
here's what i have so far...

[/url][url="http://imageshack.us"]http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/909/progress1pc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

SaraD
12-27-2005, 08:05 PM
I did a doodle. Couldnt find the time to do my usual style (darn that boss :D), so I sneaked some time for this one.
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010b_bw.jpg

SpiritDreamer
12-27-2005, 10:50 PM
Hi Rebecca and everyone
Just started this. A long ways to go yet.
Beautiful elegant pose. Thank you Model.
Used oily round brush #35 in tinting section Painter 9
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Model_10_4.JPG


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_7.jpg

K. Scott Gant
12-27-2005, 11:07 PM
Here's my WIP. About an hour so far. Only using Digital Watercolor in Painter 9 with New Simple Water and Pure Water brushes.

http://xs61.xs.to/pics/05523/sitting.jpg

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 11:10 PM
Wow, everyone! So cool to see so much work already...munching through dinner, will comment in a bit...great stuff already, keep up the great work!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
12-27-2005, 11:18 PM
Hi,

this started out as a 15min-sketch, but I had so much trouble with it that I had to work much longer for such a basic result

infamous bad drawing day for me I guess....:cry:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/3843/study1cx.jpg

separate 2 and 5 min sketches:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/4175/2minstudy5lk.jpg

http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/2372/5minstudy7pk.jpg

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 11:24 PM
*chomps on sandwich* ~ Nice start, Mr. Mu! :) Don't despair...all digital paintings and frankly the majority of all artwork starts out in uglyville. I've got reams of bad drawings, it's par for the course. ;) You've got a great foundation! Keep plugging away ~ step back, and take a look at what you are doing. Can you zoom out with ArtRage? One easy way to lay down the basic foundation is to paint while zoomed out, so that your image is about 25% of it's real size. This allows you to just see the basic values, and quickly lay those in.

Looking forward to your update, Mr. Mu! *chomps a fry*.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
12-27-2005, 11:43 PM
*chomps on sandwich* [...]*chomps a fry*

mmmhm, yummy fries-sandwich...:surprised

the majority of all artwork starts out in uglyville.

LOL...yea, but I need to make it migrate someday!:scream:


Can you zoom out with ArtRage? One easy way to lay down the basic foundation is to paint while zoomed out, so that your image is about 25% of it's real size. This allows you to just see the basic values, and quickly lay those in.

Ah, I did this in artweaver, and yes, most of the time I work zoomed out (though I do have the problem that my resolution is very low anyway due to artweaver's unfinished memory management.)

However, this reminds me that I have been told to use artrage next time (which happens to be this time) to make use of a higher resolution.... So I might just start this over in artrage. The three studies I posted are three of nine (sounds like a borg name) or so I did all in all, so one more or less does not matter to me.

yulias
12-28-2005, 12:27 AM
im pretty much done... i felt bad about losing the sketchyness

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2412/progress0au.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 01:07 AM
yulias,

I think this is a beautiful start, :) but I think your painting could be improved if the colors were a bit less muddy. Her right foot appears to be floating ~ I think the balance of the figure is very well~established, but I think if you spent a bit more time refining the piece, you would end up with a lovely painting. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 01:22 AM
Okay, I have started to realize how little painting I've been doing...so here is my meager effort so far for this Workshop. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_1.jpg

Update:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_2.jpg

Hopefully I can guilt myself into finishing this one. :D



Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

MechaHateChimp
12-28-2005, 02:55 AM
Nice start Rebecca!

Here's what I got started so far:

http://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-01.jpg

http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-01.jpg

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 02:56 AM
Mecha,

Thanks! Sweet! Love it so far. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 03:23 AM
Here is another small update.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_3.jpg

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 04:45 AM
Final update for tonight:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_4.jpg

dogyears
12-28-2005, 09:37 AM
My humble attempt.

The portraits so far are phenomenal, to say the least. Mecha's particuarly impressive - I love it how he defines the form with a few simple strokes. Don't think mine even compares ... but here you go anyway.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5361/nude3s0vy.jpg


Crit away. Paintovers welcome !

dogyears
12-28-2005, 09:52 AM
one more. not 100% happy with this one either ... back is too straight I think.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/948/nude12ym.jpg

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 11:12 AM
dogyears,

Welcome to the OFDWs and to the Anatomy Forum! :) Great to see your posts! :)

I quite like the painterliness of both of these...may I ask, which paint package are you using? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-28-2005, 12:56 PM
Whaouw... lot of nice stuffs here...

with a particular care to the "yulias" drawing... the model pose is already very hard and strong... and you depict something again more in this mood, in this way... I really appreciate this style... not sweet, not comfortable... but more the pain to do well... great for me :thumbsup:



This is now my participation...

Click on the picture for a 1200x1600 version

http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/ofdw10_1_a_013.jpg (http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/ofdw10_1_a_013_1200.jpg)


All previous steps of the wip are visible on my Anat Thread... (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=300434&page=12&pp=15)

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 01:08 PM
Sweet, Lolo. :)

Lemog
12-28-2005, 01:11 PM
Sweet, Lolo. :)
well... it's finish for me this week... I will try to continue with these other models next week... passionating :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 01:12 PM
Look forward to it, Lolo. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
12-28-2005, 03:49 PM
Hi everyone, so many good stuff :) .

I those ribs are so complicated. I tried but I delete off. Gonna it try tml.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage1.jpg

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 03:51 PM
ericyeo,

Great start! I love that you're getting bold with color ~ it means you're getting confident with it. :)

Can't wait to see your update! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

yulias
12-28-2005, 04:12 PM
i dont have any time :( i spent too long on it already. i only have 10 days off from school and then its exams.

lemog - you've made my day :) btw your piece is really amazing, i love your sharp lines

ericyeo - those feet are amazing

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 04:14 PM
yulias,

No worries! :) You did a beautiful piece. :thumbsup: I hope you will join us for more OFDWs when you have the time. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
12-28-2005, 04:35 PM
:cool:Here's an update, I rejected colour for now due to my inabillity to employ it to any sort of basic standard>> switched to greyscale.


http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/8985/nudegirlv21ks.jpg

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 04:40 PM
Nice stuff, AOAH! :) The face is coming together nicely...which reminds me that I should get back to mine...:)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 06:37 PM
Small update for me...:D

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_02.jpg

dogyears
12-28-2005, 07:10 PM
dogyears,

Welcome to the OFDWs and to the Anatomy Forum! :) Great to see your posts! :)

I quite like the painterliness of both of these...may I ask, which paint package are you using? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Nothing fancy. The Gimp actually - I can't even afford photoshop !

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 07:14 PM
dogyears,

No worries! :) Have you ever tried ArtRage?

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

It's a free downloadable app that's really great for painting also. I've used it just a bit ~ Mr. Mu uses it and really likes it. A friend of mine just raves about it. :)

You might want to check it out if you get the chance! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

dogyears
12-28-2005, 07:21 PM
dogyears,

No worries! :) Have you ever tried ArtRage?

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

It's a free downloadable app that's really great for painting also. I've used it just a bit ~ Mr. Mu uses it and really likes it. A friend of mine just raves about it. :)

You might want to check it out if you get the chance! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Actually I have, I'm not a big fan really. It's awesome software, but a tad too realistic ... to be honestl I don't really go out of the way to make my paintings painterly (I would actually like a more photorealistic style), but they just turn out that way somehow. Any tips ?

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by dogyears: Actually I have, I'm not a big fan really. It's awesome software, but a tad too realistic ... to be honest I don't really go out of the way to make my paintings painterly (I would actually like a more photorealistic style), but they just turn out that way somehow. Any tips?
Hmm, I'm not familiar with Gimp, but generally speaking I would say to limit your pallette initially to only a few colors ~ paint swatches on your canvas, and sample them repeatedly. Choose a light / highlight, a midtone, and a dark ~ and stick with that limited pallette. You could use a light pink, a medium orange~brown, and a dark brown, for example, and start to build the figure that way. Don't try to overcomplicate things. It's not color that's going to create form, it's VALUE. So focus on that and not on color.

Also, now that you've got a nice foundation laid, you might just try using smaller brushes to get more detail and to refine the figure. Concentrate on what matters the most ~ and work from large to small as you paint. Don't go after the eyes first, but the eye sockets, and the general shapes of the head.

After that point, it's just a matter of continually refining your shape and value placements.

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

dogyears
12-28-2005, 07:35 PM
Hmm, I'm not familiar with Gimp, but generally speaking I would say to limit your pallette initially to only a few colors ~ paint swatches on your canvas, and sample them repeatedly. Choose a light / highlight, a midtone, and a dark ~ and stick with that limited pallette. You could use a light pink, a medium orange~brown, and a dark brown, for example, and start to build the figure that way. Don't try to overcomplicate things. It's not color that's going to create form, it's VALUE. So focus on that and not on color.

Also, now that you've got a nice foundation laid, you might just try using smaller brushes to get more detail and to refine the figure. Concentrate on what matters the most ~ and work from large to small as you paint. Don't go after the eyes first, but the eye sockets, and the general shapes of the head.

After that point, it's just a matter of continually refining your shape and value placements.

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thanks. I will give that a shot in my next portrait ... maybe sometime later in the day.

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 07:44 PM
Cool! Look forward to the results...update coming up...

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 09:23 PM
Another update (sorry guys, I tend to do a lot of these) :D

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_03.jpg

Corvax
12-28-2005, 10:58 PM
thats coming along quite nicely Rebeccak. are you going to color it or is it gonna remain a valuestudie?

face in black and white ~ not too successful thou :shrug: .


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/facevaluestudie01.jpg

~David Ren.

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 11:05 PM
Dave,

Thanks. :) I think I'll push it as far as I can value~wise, then start to color from there.

Very nice portrait / study! :) I quite like the lips and nose area especially. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
12-28-2005, 11:18 PM
David - I like your portrait. Youve captured the feeling and the impression well! And I agree with Rebeccak, the lips are very good. A suggestion - put some values in the eyes and you get more life in the portrait. A lightreflection for example.
Rebeccak - Color! Yeeeaahhh :bounce:

Ive been trying all night to start a new study. But cant concentrate. We have a big snowstorm moving in here at the moment, and my energy goes to weathercasts and updates on the radio. Just realized that I will not be able to drive to work tomorrow, so maybe Ill find some time to paint then. The problem is that the kids have to stay at home as well, and we know how much peace and quite that brings :scream:

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 11:20 PM
SaraD,

LOL! A double~edged sword ~ a snow day, and kids! :scream: Hmm, maybe the kids will enjoy sleeping in? All day? :scream:

Looking forward to seeing your lightning~fast painting when it develops. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 01:13 AM
Another small update...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_04.jpg

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 02:20 AM
Step 1 of Colorization: things still looking metallic at this stage due to Blending Modes...will go back and tweak using Normal Mode, as per Stahlberg's excellent painting tutorial (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html).


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_05.jpg

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 04:29 AM
Color update...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_06.jpg

Not sure which I like better...only difference is the blending mode.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/OFDW-10_WIP_06B.jpg

Lemog
12-29-2005, 04:32 AM
Nice latest update darling... I love the shape contrast you made... really the good choice for this pose...

...mmmmh, maybe feet are little bit too big, not ? :) and pink too much present for the moment...

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 04:36 AM
Thanks Lolo! :) Lol, you scared me...I went to edit my post and didn't realize you had replied...:scream:

Yep, I agree, the first one was too pink. :) So I changed the Blending Mode on my top painting layer from "Normal" to "Color" in the 2nd image ~ which do you like better? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-29-2005, 04:41 AM
Oups... I forget my good morning Beckie... brrrrr very cold here... -13C it's really the winter today...

well... Beckie... this one is really better... less disturbing so far :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 04:43 AM
Lolo,

Good morning. :) LOL, I know, after looking at it from a distance, I realized I was ruining all my value relationships...so setting the blending mode back to color helps it. I'll have to go in and tone down the highlights just a bit...as it looks too shiny / bright right now. :)

Oh, and the feet...I always make the hands / feet bigger initially so I can cut into them with the bkgrd color...I find it easier to paint that way for the hands feet, than to paint the exact right size fingers...guess I'm wierd that way! :scream:

Definitely learning a lot from this one! :wavey:

EDIT: Ah, cold for you there, eh? :) It's sleeting just a little here...I hate cold weather with a passion! I'm already ready for spring...:wise:

Lemog
12-29-2005, 04:55 AM
Agree with you, this one is very interesting... I will do it next week for sure :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 04:57 AM
Sounds good, Lolo. :) How did your other (work) 2D pieces turn out? Toonshaded animations? Anything you can post? :)

Lemog
12-29-2005, 05:26 AM
Sounds good, Lolo. :) How did your other (work) 2D pieces turn out? Toonshaded animations? Anything you can post? :)
My actual works... not dear... not very artistic :scream:
but I will post some pieces, old or less... more late in the day (I'm already late in my job... and I would try to doesn't work tomorrow :twisted:)

SpiritDreamer
12-29-2005, 09:27 AM
Good Morning...Rebecca....:)

I am really likeing this one of yours...you took it way beyound the photo, and
personalized it with your great style....REALLY NICE ONE ...REBECCA...:thumbsup:

Glenn

dogyears
12-29-2005, 09:41 AM
Following Rebbeca's advise, I forced myself to use three colours only, which I then blended together. I'm rather pleased with the rendering, light wise (though I'm afraid some parts are "overexposed"), not sure about the pose, will have to look at it again tommorow with fresh eyes.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4756/nude6s9em.jpg

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 11:08 AM
Orig posted by Lolo:
My actual works... not dear... not very artistic :scream:
but I will post some pieces, old or less... more late in the day (I'm already late in my job... and I would try to doesn't work tomorrow :twisted:)
No worries...haha, one day we can all burn our boring projects, won't that be fun? :scream:

Orig posted by Glenn:
Good Morning...Rebecca....:)

I am really likeing this one of yours...you took it way beyound the photo, and
personalized it with your great style....REALLY NICE ONE ...REBECCA...:thumbsup:
Thanks Glenn! :) Hoping to finish this one...finally! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-29-2005, 12:24 PM
No worries...haha, one day we can all burn our boring projects, won't that be fun?
of course... in a real fire of happyness :thumbsup:

EAD
12-29-2005, 12:29 PM
Rebecca__>> OUTSTANDING:thumbsup::eek:, possibly the best digital piece I've seen from you.

Anyway heres a little update from my humble self, I recon the head and kneck are in the wrong place_ gonna have to change that

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1092/nudegirlv31pt.jpg

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 01:03 PM
AOAH,

Thanks a bunch :) though I wouldn't necessarily agree with part of that statement. ;)

Thanks for the edit. ;)

Took a brief peek at your piece, and think it is coming along great...you're really focusing in, I can tell...looking forward to seeing you finish this beaut up! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 01:37 PM
of course... in a real fire of happyness :thumbsup:
My fire would be bigger than your fire. :D

At any rate, I had a nice day at home yesterday (sick day) hence why I was able to get some painting done. :D Hmm...maybe I should schedule more sick days...:scream:...then I could catch up to everyone here! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-29-2005, 01:57 PM
I'm okay with andy's words... it's right that your piece is particulary pleasant... and more :thumbsup:

I really appreciate yours too Andy... sweet and soft... and the little touch of red light is a great "plus"... I like these kind of originality which give "style"...

Well now... mine... I don't think to go more far... a test... and in very short time...
just for the eyes... but take care... no too longer :twisted: hahaha

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw10_2_wip_04.jpg

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 02:14 PM
Orig. posted by Lolo: I'm okay with andy's words... it's right that your piece is particulary pleasant... and more :thumbsup:
Thanks sweetie ;)

I really appreciate yours too Andy... sweet and soft... and the little touch of red light is a great "plus"... I like these kind of originality which give "style"...
I think the red marks are correction lines...but I like them too! :thumbsup:

Well now... mine... I don't think to go more far... a test... and in very short time...
just for the eyes... but take care... no too longer :twisted: hahaha

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c...10_2_wip_04.jpg (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw10_2_wip_04.jpg)
I like the feel to the face in particular quite a lot...and as always, I enjoy seeing your experimentation. :) I don't think one needs to have a set 'process' for painting ~ it would get boring that way, wouldn't it? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 02:45 PM
dogyears,

Meant to reply to your post this morning, then had to rush to get out the door...:D

I really like the work you're doing here, I think the 3 color limited pallette is really helping you to focus on the important stuff, the form of the figure as created by values. :wip: Great stuff ~ look forward to an update! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
12-29-2005, 03:36 PM
Lemog/Rebecca;)>> you're both correct, the red lines were initially part of the construction drawing, but I have started to read them as a a possible rim light- it might just lift her out of the backgound. I'm going to explore that when I get onto the colouring.

Lemog> interesting use of texture, it almost reminds me of the facets on a 3d model, I like the background, it brings a context to the scene which the original photograph lacks.
keep experimenting :wip: it often leads to great things!

Mu
12-29-2005, 10:04 PM
Hi there,

lemog - I like that experimentation, too. The facets make it very sensual.

I was reminded by a remark of rebecca that someone (I think it was you lemog, IIRC) told me to use artrage for higher resolution.

So, even though I had a much more advanced start than my new attempt, I think I will give artrage a try for this.

Some thing that is scary about artrage is that you cannot change canvas size once you created a new file, so I marked the most extreme points of the figure with artrage's tracing function to make sure I don't have to resize (which I can't). I erased the tracing layer and blocked in the shape freehanded from there and started on the face.

I think this is my tenth or so study of this pose. It has to lead to something good, otherwise I'm screwed...:scream:


http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9695/progress17ci.jpg

SpiritDreamer
12-29-2005, 10:48 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Here's what I have so far. Still some refinements to do, details, etc.
Also playing with composing. Going for triangular structures with a
circular flow. Will add more elements as they come to me.
Just trying to create a nice dreamy feeling with light shadow color
and atmosphere.
By the way, everybody's stuff is looking fabulous. Seems like everyone's
loosened up and started experimenting.:)
Nice :thumbsup:

Take care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_21.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo.jpg

Rebeccak
12-30-2005, 03:40 AM
K. Scott Gant, yulias, Corvax, SaraD, Mr. Mu, Mecha, ericyeo, dogyears, AOAH, Glenn, cypherx, and, of course, Lolo, :)

Looking forward to seeing everyone's work when I get back in town! Keep up the outstanding work, I'm quite excited to be a part of this OFDW, and will definitely be getting back to it early next week (by which time I'm sure I'll be well behind). ;)

Cheers, and Happy New Year! :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
12-30-2005, 03:09 PM
Hi,

quick update:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8928/progress20ii.jpg

ericyeo
12-30-2005, 04:40 PM
there's still have a lots of refinement to be done. :bounce: The detailing are driving me crazy.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage2.jpg

Vidar3d
12-30-2005, 08:54 PM
ericyeo,

Fantastic! I love the way you have captured the torque and twist of the torso. The feet also stick out to me as especially well constructed and drawn!

Your effort has shamed me into starting my first attempt tonight - thanks for the inspiration. :applause:

Mu
12-30-2005, 08:57 PM
ericyeo - this is looking fantastic. Very strong physical presence of your subject. Her left hand is looking great, really.

:bounce:

I hope you can keep it up. I am Looking forward to your updates.

Dark3D
12-30-2005, 09:01 PM
Well, here is my try! Had to go alittle fast though, just a break from my 3D game level.:rolleyes:
UGAC - Juggernaut Vehicle Starr Shaw (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=301410)

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_CGFigure10-Final.jpg

View Full Size (http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/CGFigure10-Final.jpg)

SpiritDreamer
12-30-2005, 10:32 PM
Hi Everyone
Small update. Just refining and defining with light and shadow using colored brush strokes.
I want a non-photographic painterly look when I am finished.
Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_6.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_6.jpg

cypherx
12-31-2005, 06:26 AM
Oh, I guess it makes sense that you can do digital on this considering this is a digital forum. doh!

Vidar3d
12-31-2005, 06:31 AM
Ok, I'm calling it a night. I think I have her head tilted too far down. I don't know why but I had the hardest time with the basic gesture on this pose. It seems simple enough but I fought it and fought it.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010a.jpg

SaraD
12-31-2005, 01:01 PM
I give up. I cant. Ive tried every single pose in this one. I start sketching, I stare on the screen for half an hour. And turn the computer off... I start another sketch, and then the same procedure... I just cant find where to start. So, I leave it to rest for now, and lurk around admiring your pieces instead. I really like the different styles youre all trying out. Stepping out of your normal way of painting and creating. And thats a really good indication that those kind of forums are important. We encourage each other to try more, to want more and to dare more:) Cool.

Today is New Years Eve. The storm has ended, Ive been able to get out of the house, and tonight I have the whole house filled with friends. Life is good.
I want to send my thoughts and hugs to all of you whos not here tonight :), and wish you a Happy New Year, and see you all 2006! :bounce::wavey:

Corvax
12-31-2005, 02:15 PM
SaraD

Yeah I can totally relate to that. I think the key is patience and lots of it, it seems that not having the patience is the biggest problem among aspirering artists. its pretty common that an Illustration will look like crap for most of the proses and its not because anything is wrong whit its simply that one hasn't finished rendering it yet.
for me this was one of the most important lesions to learn, I remember I use to have tons of curled up drawings on the floor and it wasn't because they were bad drawings, they just didn't look good immediately, and I was too quick to discard them. It was first when an instructor forced me to keep on working on the same drawing, even thou it thought it look awful, that I got the results I wanted. I still go trough what you're feeling right now every time I start a drawing, I get depressed and think that I don't have what it takes, but I think I gained the foresight now to know that if I stick whit it its all gonna turn out alright.

Don't give up on a drawing or painting right away if it doesn't look like you want it to, locate the areas that work and those that don't and correct them and keep on doing this until your satisfied. try to force your self to keep on working on the same painting, even thou you think it looks horrible and what you really want to to do is start over. you have the skill, just be a little more confident and have patience.

hope to see a painting from you soon.

~David Ren.

SpiritDreamer
12-31-2005, 02:36 PM
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE and HAPPY NEW YEAR....:)
SaraD ...Sweden better stop bogarting all the snow...the rest of us need some also..:)
Sorry to hear that your haveing troble starting your poses, sounds like Rett is haveing
the same problem. Have you tried useing the peanut method...makes it simple for any
pose...just draw a peanut with a similar shape angle wise, as the modeles pelvis and
torso, then add legs, feet..arms, hands..neck, skull, and face...in that order...Hogarth
formula...A very simple method, that works every time, no matter how hard the pose
seems...Hope it helps, worth a try anyway...:)

Rett...she needs more belly..to much of an hour glass shape there...think her head and
neck are set deeper into her torso in photo...sharper angle on collar bones...
Hey.. forgot to tell you...in that sea lion cave, there is a dead sea lion on a ledge,that
has turned to stone...petrified...that's how long they have been comeing there to have
their babies..gives you a real sense of time, when you see it...

Glenn

Mu
12-31-2005, 02:47 PM
Today is New Years Eve. The storm has ended, Ive been able to get out of the house, and tonight I have the whole house filled with friends. Life is good.
I want to send my thoughts and hugs to all of you whos not here tonight :), and wish you a Happy New Year, and see you all 2006!

Thanks a lot for your best wishes and all my best wishes go way up north to you! And while Corvax is definitely right about how stubborn termination will eventually get you there I think that sometimes giving up is a good expereince, too. It's like in a chess game: discarding a currentplan in order to focus on another.

And having the house full of friends sounds like a damn good plan! We'll do the same.

Have a nice end of the year and a happy new year to everyone.


_________________

My update, focused on the face and trying to get a likeness using Glenn's fabolous hints of OFDW007. Not quite there, but I am happier with her face than with any other face I did...always useful to know what to be happy about:D

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8070/progress30fs.jpg

SpiritDreamer
12-31-2005, 03:15 PM
Hey...MR MU...GREAT FACE and LIKENESS...:applause:

I think that if you ever get PAINTER, we are all going to be in troble trying to keep up
with you..:buttrock:

The only credit I desrve, in this likeness problem, is for shareing what I just happened
upon in the library...seemed to have helped you as much as it helped me..GREAT... :thumbsup:

Take Care and HAPPY NEW YEAR..MR MU... :bounce:
Glenn

Mu
12-31-2005, 03:55 PM
I think that if you ever get PAINTER, we are all going to be in troble trying to keep up with you..:buttrock:

Lol, don't chuck your brushes in yet:scream:... I am lightyears behind you all!

But I appreciate your comments and it's always such a joy to work here.

Take Care and HAPPY NEW YEAR..MR MU... :bounce:
Glenn

the same to you! Happy new Year and many great visions, mr. SpiritDreamer!

cypherx
12-31-2005, 05:36 PM
I'm not finished yet, but I don't think I'll be able to work on it any more today... I hope we don't have to make it look exactly like the photo with colours and portions :s

http://direwire.com/figure_1.jpg

Vidar3d
12-31-2005, 06:40 PM
cypherx, I say outstanding! I love the background and what you did with the hair. I can't wait to see how it turns out as you finish it.

SpiritDreamer
12-31-2005, 08:45 PM
Cypherx...Nice job on that figure...:thumbsup:
Like the way you used the photo, and didn't let it use you.:arteest:
Also like your cold cold colors, gives it that fantasy feeling...:applause:
What brushes and program are you useing... just curious....:shrug:
Smooth and silky looking...NICE...:)

Take Care
Glenn

MechaHateChimp
12-31-2005, 09:03 PM
http://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-02.jpg

A little more refinement.

SpiritDreamer
12-31-2005, 09:27 PM
Mecha Hate Chimp..

Capturing a beautiful mood, with your colors and lighting..
Also like the way her knee seemes to pop right out of the picture plane, gives the whole
painting...GREAT DEPTH...:thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn

cypherx
12-31-2005, 10:04 PM
Thanks Vidar & Spirit

Spirit, I normally use three brushes when doing skintones (unless I'm doing a speedpaint, then only two), a solid brush, airbrush, and a scatter brush. I can throw something together so you can see which ones, if you would like. it'll take me a few minutes though

cypherx
12-31-2005, 11:40 PM
OK, sorry about the size...

http://direwire.com/skinbrushes.jpg

edit- I forgot to say photoshop 7, though it's probably apparent now.
and sorry it wasn't neater or anything, I sort of was in a hurry to eat

Per-Anders
01-01-2006, 09:05 AM
thought i'd have a quick join in, good work everyone, now back to coding.

http://www.peranders.com/gallery/images/lifedrawing004.jpg

Rebeccak
01-01-2006, 01:31 PM
Awww, Per, great to see you stopping in, I think that's fabulous! :)

Only briefly checking in before heading out to visit some relatives, but it's awesome to see so much activity here already on the forum in shiny new 2006! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-01-2006, 01:54 PM
cypherx - I love the cool atmosphere and the great sense of depth your lighting conveys!

mecha hate chimp - delicate face and soft expression on her look. I like that very much!

mdme_sadie - you captured her expression excellently. This will help me on my way to capture the likeness in this pose!

Hope you all had a great new year's eve...

til soon

MechaHateChimp
01-01-2006, 06:05 PM
http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-03.jpghttp://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-03.jpg

More refinement.

mdme_sadie - wonderful rough. You captured the expression beautifully.

Lemog
01-02-2006, 05:20 AM
As I can see... much pretty creations this 2 last days... great :thumbsup:


I wish you all my friends an Happy Drawing New Year 2006 :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

rblitz7
01-02-2006, 05:27 AM
WOAH!!:eek: Mecha Hate Chimp thats some great work! Such precision!:D

Rebeccak
01-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhh...can't wait to be able to actually take a look at these beautiful pieces in depth...as it is, I think it will look funny when someone trundles into the 'business' center and sees me looking at nude images...:curious: :scream:

Cheers, and Happy New Year, everyone! :bounce:

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
01-03-2006, 12:21 PM
Chimp: Looking great!! I love the colors and brush strokes :eek:
Mr. Mu: Ur improving fast! the face look well rendered :thumbsup:
cypherx: :eek:
Vidar3d. Thank u :D Looking good for the moment! Keep it up :thumbsup:

Good job everyone. Everyone deserves a clap :applause:

More rendering updates

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage4.jpg

SpiritDreamer
01-03-2006, 01:26 PM
BEAUTIFUL job on that figure so far.... Ericyeo....:thumbsup:

That goes for everyone...reailly. and seriously....:applause: :thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 02:36 PM
ericyeo,

Just briefly got the chance to look at your piece, and I think you're doing fabulously! :applause: Really beautiful sense of presence to the model, and it looks as though you are gaining great confidence with color and value rapidly! Keep up the excellent work! :thumbsup:

Definitely want to post more about other peoples' work as well ~ some great work and comments going on! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-03-2006, 04:23 PM
ericyeo! it is nice to see how you incorporated your new knowledge of warmer colors by blood circulation and all that stuff of I think it was last OFDW...
Also, you might not be aware of it, this wip gives away a lot of fascinating information on your workflow with all the little pools of colour and smears where you cut in from the negative space (I guess?)... so, really instructive wip and promising outstanding beauty. really anxious to see the end result.

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 04:31 PM
Mr. Mu,

Your post reminded me that I wanted to mention this book that I read over break to you ~ it's called:

"The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/104-5586297-4773545?url=index%3Dblended&field-keywords=%22The+Artist%27s+Complete+Guide+to+Figure+Drawing%22&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go)" by Anthony Ryder (artist).
As I wrote in the Anatomy Books thread, this is an excellent book, and not too expensive. The artist is a traditional artist working in pencil ~ his work is HIGHLY realistic and beautiful.

The reason I wanted to mention this book to you specifically is that it covers a method whereby you draw an envelope of the figure first (encompassing all of the outermost points of the figure) and then the contour, and then the interior of the form. I think this is a great method, and particularly applicable to people who use programs which do not allow you to resize the image or canvas.

I'm happy to post more of a visual example later on. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
01-03-2006, 10:38 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Another update. Worked on face of latest model. Softened brush stokes around
abdomen ribs and waiste to push them back in space. Leaving brushstokes crisp and spotlighted foreground of figure. Caravaggio's technique from what I have been able
to find and read about it. Information scarce on him and his technique. Also started modeling with colored brush strokes on model on right. Will make her secondary in composition to model on left using light and shadow after I finish modeling her form.
Will start refining male figure next. Amining for unity in composition using light and
shadow as a directional element. Creating a circular motion within a triangular composition.
Caravaggio style done in digital using Painter.
Alot of work left but having fun and definitely a challenge.
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_10.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_10.jpg

SpiritDreamer
01-03-2006, 10:41 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Another update. Worked on face of latest model. Softened brush strokes around
abdomen ribs and waiste to push them back in space. Leaving brushstokes crisp
on spotlighted foreground of figure.
Caravaggio's technique from what I have been able to find and read about it.
Information scarce on him and his technique. Also started modeling with colored
brush strokes on model on right. Will make her secondary in composition to
model on left using light and shadow after I finish modeling her form.
Will start refining male figure next. Aiming for unity in composition using light
and shadow as a directional element.
Creating a circular motion within a triangular composition.
Caravaggio style done in digital using Painter.
Alot of work left but having fun and definitely a challenge.
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_10.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_10.jpg

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 11:40 PM
Okay, so what have I missed? :scream:

Le painting of Mr. Mu:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8928/progress20ii.jpg

You still working on this Mu~sters? I want to see a final outcome on this! :bounce:Work those feet buddy, I see you holding off! :scream:

Le painting of Dark3D:

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_CGFigure10-Final.jpg

Very cool to see you expanding your horizons here! Proportionally, I think the legs seem a bit short. From about her waist downward, I think she looks a bit small. I think it might help the piece to cover the white bkgrd, as it distracts from the figure quite a lot. But I'm really likin' the color experimentation and as always your confidence with the brushstrokes! :)

Le painting of Vidar3D:

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010a.jpg

Sweet work! You're really gaining confidence with proportions, and the feel of the pose is quite natural and relaxed. Hope you keep going with this!


Le painting of Mr. Mu:

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8070/progress30fs.jpg

Holy sh**!

The foot, Mr. Mu, the foot... :D

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 11:41 PM
Le painting of cypherx:

http://direwire.com/figure_1.jpg

Beautiful work! I love the deep blues of the bkgrd and the cold purplish pinks of the skin. I also think the temperature shift from foot to torso is quite sophisticated, though you could probably exploit the warm / cool contrast even more. I think the arms could be a bit thicker / longer, and the face could use a bit more dimensionality ~ the upper torso is the best, and I think if you worked on the feet, arms, and face, this would be a really exceptional piece! :)

Mecha's:

http://www.killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-02.jpg

Beautiful. With the exception of the hand~like feet, I think this painting has a perfect start! :)

Per's:

http://www.peranders.com/gallery/images/lifedrawing004.jpg

Would love to see this finished! :)

ericyeo's:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/Female%20Study%201/stage4.jpg

Watch the shortness of the right arm. Try to give the face a bit more dimensionality. Lovin' your colors!!! Tremendous presence to this figure! :thumbsup:


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_10.jpg

Glenn,

Try not to get caught up so much in the color / mood of the piece, and go for anatomical accuracy instead. Sometimes mood can be a shortcut (I know because I do that a lot) and you don't want to shortchange yourself or your abilities. Hope to see this piece taken to completion! :thumbsup:

Cheers everyone!!!

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 11:42 PM
And, SaraD, we really miss you on this one! Come back! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
01-04-2006, 05:50 AM
Here is a quick update. Hoping to tidey a few things up (hand, Sasquatch foot) and start coloring tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestions before Glen on my previous attempt having "too much hourglass".

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010v.jpg

Lemog
01-04-2006, 06:29 AM
The last pieces are really incredible... with special congratulations to Cipherx... and Ericyeo's... the first for the originality of the realization... very real and in the same time far of the reality... I like... the second to give us a incredible feeling... don't know why... tones certainly.

Great inspiration of art with all these pieces... bravo people :applause:

SaraD
01-04-2006, 06:39 AM
Rebeccak :love:

Im still here :) Ill give them another try...

SaraD
01-04-2006, 09:59 AM
Antoher try...
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_001.jpg

Squibbit
01-04-2006, 10:09 AM
:surprised

man u people are good...


.

Rebeccak
01-04-2006, 10:31 AM
Vidar3d,

Very cool. :) Do you think her right leg may be a bit small? The face and torso are looking really nicely dimensional! :)

SaraD,

Yeah, she's back! :bounce: Sweet work...looking forward to an update! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-04-2006, 10:49 AM
rebecca,


thanks for commenting! Hope you had a wonderful time out there in reality...:D

I am still working on this and will post an update later (first shy and stuporous indications of feet included).

BTW, got my pm?

Rebeccak
01-04-2006, 10:52 AM
Mr. Mu,

LOL, I did get your PM, and it cracked me up...:D...but clearly I am lagging for having not yet responded. :scream: Will get to that soon, I promise. :)

You and I need to get to our updates! :D

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-04-2006, 10:59 AM
ericyeo,

One thing I am noticing with your exceptional piece, is that the legs seem quite short for the upper torso and head ~ I think giving her more of a pronounced bottom and longer legs would really help, as currently she seems that she might topple over. :) I quite admire the way you are constructing this painting, however, and look forward to seeing your next update! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
01-04-2006, 11:07 AM
So much impressive work.

ericyeo> I am constantly amazed by the hands and feet> nice.

Mecha> really nice loose vibrant style

Some work on the head from me. The airbrush was getting tiresome and looking flat so I'm now trying to give it a more painterly feel.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/andrewead/nudegirl-v5detail.jpg

Andy *longing to see an update from Rebecca K*

Rebeccak
01-04-2006, 11:10 AM
AOAH,

NICE. :thumbsup: That's a really fine study...definitely liking the painterly feel and the quiet mood ~ beautiful! :)

*Trying to figure out when I can update* :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

SaraD
01-04-2006, 12:17 PM
Updates:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_002.JPG
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_003.JPG

Mu
01-04-2006, 12:19 PM
You and I need to get to our updates! :D

right you are! Here it goes:

I ran out of value range for the highlights a bit, so, as I couldn't add light, I added darkness to make my highlights become lighter. I am trying to get a feel for the room... and the feet, Madam Kimmel, I know... the feet...

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/6996/progress46rx.jpg

Rebeccak
01-04-2006, 12:55 PM
Mr. Mu,

Will have to sneak a look at this later. :D

drawMonger
01-04-2006, 01:01 PM
Happy New Year All! Here's my WIPs so far...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-01.jpg
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-02.jpg
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-03.jpg

Rebeccak
01-04-2006, 01:02 PM
drawMonger,

Great to see you back! Happy New Year!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-04-2006, 02:03 PM
and another update,

still trying to establish a background and it makes the the whole thing feel much more real and sensible to me.

I think I'll leave the background at this crutch-like state for now and will go back to the figure, taking care of her legs...

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/2288/progress59we.jpg

Mu
01-04-2006, 05:19 PM
Hi everyone!

As you can see I am still working on it...

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/783/progress66lj.jpg

rblitz7
01-04-2006, 05:25 PM
Woah SaraD thats looking sweet!!:thumbsup: What method do you use for blending?

SaraD
01-04-2006, 09:50 PM
rblitz7 - I use the same brushes as I paint with (some customized brushes in the oilcategory in Painter) and set resaturation and opacity to very low valules, sometimes resat 0% and opacity down to 10%.
Some progress.
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_004.JPG

SpiritDreamer
01-04-2006, 10:19 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Ok Rebecca. I tried for anatomical accuracy instead of mood and color,
but ended up doing both. Shaved quite a bit off her torso, adjusted curves
here and there. Worked on whole figure, basically.
Put other female back into shadow. I now have the color harmony I was trying for and
unity of composition I am aiming for, I think.
Once again thanks for the push to do better and take it further.
More suggestions from you and anyone else are always welcome and appreciated
as always.
Top picture is yesterday's post.
Bottom picture is today's update.
Take Care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_10.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_20.jpg

Mu
01-04-2006, 11:19 PM
SpiritDreamer - I am actually having a hard time trying to decide which one I like better...

I like them both!

refined the foot as Ma'am Kimmel seemed to consider the foot worth a double reminder...:D

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4878/progress75zb.jpg

SpiritDreamer
01-05-2006, 12:13 AM
Thank's...MR MU...:wavey: ..

There are things I like about both of them myself...the beauty of digital, is I get to
keep all my versions, and learn from them, and apply what I've learned in my next
painting....AND THE BEAT GOES ON...:)

I like your painting, some nice stuff happening in it...you might want to work on that
shadow area around her shin bone, on lower extended leg...looks like a hole at the moment
needs more gradation to raise and round it some.
Hope that book Rebecca told you about helps in your process of painting.
Looking forward to seeing the results, and more updates from you...:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

sturmkim
01-05-2006, 06:05 AM
hello everyone.
i just find this thread and falling in love!!

so much good stuff from everybody and warm comment and critiques from rebeccak...

i hope i can learn some figure drawing here.

see you guys around.

Here is my starting,,,,,, soooo many years passed from last hand(2d) drawing......
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/sturmkim/OFDW-010_1b.jpg

best
sturm

Rebeccak
01-05-2006, 06:09 AM
sturmkim,

Welcome aboard! :) First I think you have a really nice start here, and I really would like to see you continue this piece! :)

If you don't mind, could you please copy and paste the URL of your image into the EDIT POST / text editor image icon ~ it's the yellow square with the sun / mountain pic. :)
That way we can see your lovely image without having to click on a link. ;)

Glad you found us! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-05-2006, 06:23 AM
Mr. Mu,

You are doing a FANTASTIC job here! :wip: Keep up the good work, and let's see more of those nice updates! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-05-2006, 06:34 AM
drawMonger,

It's quite nice to see your progression on this one! :wip: It's cool to see how rough the piece starts out to be, and how much it changes. :)

SaraD,

Beautiful work, as usual! :cool: The skin texture is almost velvety, very nice work!! :thumbsup:

Glenn,

Keep going on this one. :) I like the colors a lot, but there are a few problems with the drawing. Keep pushing the single figure, I'd like to see how you develop it! :thumbsup:

Tremendous work, everyone! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-05-2006, 07:29 AM
you might want to work on that shadow area around her shin bone, on lower extended leg...looks like a hole at the moment needs more gradation to raise and round it some.


you're so right...

it is fascinating how folks around here always manage to gently put the finger on the right (or rather not so right) spots, putting forward a question mark and I go "oh, erm, oops...yea... yea I know... hoped to get away with it...":scream:

That's what's helping me improve! :buttrock:

SaraD
01-05-2006, 09:18 AM
Finished. I guess...
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_005.JPG

Lemog
01-05-2006, 09:25 AM
Her left knee appear a little bit strange for me... maybe due to the shadow... don't know exactly... but the rest is really perfect for my eyes... I always really like your style... pixel by pixel... much patience for a great result :applause:

Rebeccak
01-05-2006, 11:01 AM
SaraD,

Really beautiful result, and so fast!!! :cool: I love the deep blue bkgrd and the overall figure is great. The only small thing I notice is that the feet appear a bit small and just a bit weightless. Other than that, this to me is a fantastic piece! :applause:

Morning, Lolo. :) :wavey:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SaraD
01-05-2006, 04:15 PM
Hi. Thanks for the comments :) Tried to do some corrections. Looking better?
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_006.JPG

Amerasu
01-05-2006, 06:55 PM
After a bit of an absence, I'm back here to learn some more. Pleased to see everyone is still around! :)

I started a new figure painting this afternoon and will finish it tonight... I hope. Excellent photos as always! I just love the shadows and colours of her skin, especially her face.

As you can see, I'm strugging with hands and feet as usual but I hope I can fix them up properly tonight.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure1.jpg

SpiritDreamer
01-05-2006, 10:40 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Corrected all the anatomical mistakes I could find at the moment.
Also went for warmer colors and mood.
Any suggestions from anyone are welcome and appreciated.
As always.
1st is yesterdays post
2nd is todays update
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_22.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_26.jpg

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by SaraD: Finished. I guess...
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_005.JPG
Wow, that's a really nice painting for someone who had trouble getting started! :applause: :D
This is being really nitpicky, but I feel that there is something just a bit funny with her left clavicle ~ perhaps just a tiny bit too thin? I liked the previously darker lower leg, but the foot definitely does look better. :)

The upper torso and background are beautifully rendered! :thumbsup:

Imho, I think the face could use just a bit more dimensionality, and the right leg a bit more of a flexible look / feel. But these are minor critiques of course. Overall, this is a beautiful piece! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by Amerasu: After a bit of an absence, I'm back here to learn some more. Pleased to see everyone is still around! :)

I started a new figure painting this afternoon and will finish it tonight... I hope. Excellent photos as always! I just love the shadows and colours of her skin, especially her face.

As you can see, I'm strugging with hands and feet as usual but I hope I can fix them up properly tonight.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure1.jpg
Amerasu, great to see you back! :applause: Really phenomenal start, look forward to seeing your update! I think you and SaraD are the fastest painters we have! :D

Cheers, and Happy 2006! :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 12:43 AM
Glenn,

Here is why I think that color can be deceptive:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Spirit_Dreamer_Rev.gif

While I like the drama of the intense color, when you take the color away, you can see why some of the figures are not yet working. Painting at bottom is all about DRAWING, and color alone never makes a good representational figurative painting. Don't rely on color ~ rely on value. I know I harp on this a lot, but I do so because I so strongly believe that value ALWAYS always always trumps color in terms of importance.

Just my little schpiel. :) As always, you are doing a lovely job, :) but at times I think you are too quick to jump the gun to a finished painting, when I tend to believe that establishing the basics are much more important. I hope this makes some sense. :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
01-06-2006, 02:33 AM
Hi Rebecca..:)
I don't know how you took the color out of my painting, but when I take it out,
the detail remains along with the values.
It's my understanding, but I have been known to be wrong at times LOL !..:eek:
When a spotlight is cast on an object, the detail becomes less at the brightest
areas of the object, depending on, and varying with the intensity of the light.
If I'M wrong in this case, be sure to set me strait...
I'M not to sure, that it would be corect or proper to show every detail with the Caravaggio
type of lighting I'M trying for. Some of his figures are very vague, and some very sharp
depending on where they are in respect to the lighting ....:shrug:

Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_26a.jpg

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 02:36 AM
Glenn,

You know, I thought something looked wiggy! :scream: May I offer my apologies? :D I think I need a new computer...LOL. ;)

Ok, you've definitely got me there. ;) I'll just be...over here. :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
01-06-2006, 03:14 AM
Rebecca...:p ...just kidding...:) ....no apologies necessary,...just wanted to make sure that
I wasn't way off in left field somewhere with this experiment I'M trying out...
Been known to happen to me at times LOL !
Thanks for the quick response, now I can go to sleep, and not have nightmares about
this painting...still not finished with it yet, a fun one to experiment with.
ThankYOU AGAIN...for all your GREAT ADVICE and HELP ALONG THE WAY....TEACHER...:bounce:

Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 03:23 AM
Awww, Glenn, that's sweet, thanks for understanding. :) Hahahaha, I am still laughing at myself! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 03:26 AM
Orig posted by sturmkim: Here is my starting,,,,,, soooo many years passed from last hand(2d) drawing......
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/sturmkim/OFDW-010_1b.jpg
Oh, yay, glad to see your image! :) Really nice start here, and hope to see your update! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-06-2006, 10:27 AM
rebecca,Glenn,


I am by no means an expert (mentioning it as if it wasn't painfully obvious:rolleyes: ), but I read here (http://www.inkjetart.com/tips/grayscale/)that chosing "desaturate" for an image does not do the same as "greyscale"...

maybe the two of you chose different conversion modes?

Or maybe I don't have a ****ing clue what I am talking about? We'll never know...

mark-jenkins
01-06-2006, 12:52 PM
Hi there,
This is my first post in this forum but I have been lurking for some time enjoying other peoples work and trying to learn from the advice given to others. I did this in my lunch hour (about 40 mins). I am trying to improve my anatomy and general wacom sketching skills.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/marcoj_1971/figure/figuredrawing-1.jpg

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 12:59 PM
Marco J,

Welcome aboard! :) Sad to say that I can't look at your image atm, but definitely will do so later today. Glad to see you've come out of the shadows to post! :)

EDIT: Mr. Mu ~ Doh! I feel like an idiot! Thanks for your post, that really helps! Usually, when I desaturate an image, it does not take the value range out as it did on Glenn's piece ~ dunno why it turned out so strange, but oh well. Thanks again! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
01-06-2006, 01:00 PM
I am by no means an expert (mentioning it as if it wasn't painfully obvious:rolleyes: ), but I read here (http://www.inkjetart.com/tips/grayscale/)that chosing "desaturate" for an image does not do the same as "greyscale"...
I'll add two cents here...i find the best way to 'greyscale' an image (in photoshop) is to select image -> mode -> multichannel and then choose the channel (R,G or B) that looks best, delete the others and then convert to grayscale.

About 10 years ago (man, i feel old) i digitally restored photos for a hobby and this trick came in real handy.

BTW, Mr Mu...I love the likeness in your pic :thumbsup:...i've had trouble getting the face on mine to look like the model (so in the end didn't bother)...but yours is great!!

drawMonger
01-06-2006, 01:01 PM
another WIP...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-05.jpg

SpiritDreamer
01-06-2006, 01:15 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Used Goya colors. Warm earth tones for this version.
Rebecca:
I understand what you are saying about value trumps colors.
And why you're saying it for the benefit of this class.
But...
That is just one among many methods of paintng.
Rembrandt used it to tint with color over his black and white renderings.
But there is also a method used by the old masters where color is
used to create values in the painting. (color values)
In that method you don't start with black and white half tone
value underpainting.
You paint directly with color from the start and create values as
you proceed using only color.
In that method, color is value.
The lesson for everyone I think is:
Never say Never
Just limits your possibilities.
Take Care
Glenn

To Mr. Mu...
I agree - to take a color painting to black and white, de-saturating doesn't
work because the essence of it is to take out the color....oops! no painting left!
To go to gray scale or directly to a black and white version retains the values
that are in the original color painting.




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_close_25.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/model_10_combo_25.jpg

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 01:25 PM
Glenn,

You're totally right, and I definitely go straight for color when painting with oils :) ~ though the last time I painted with REAL oils has been quite a long time! :D I hope no one thinks I am anti~color ~ but for beginners in particular, value is most definitely the thing to emphasize. And for experienced persons such as yourself, it never hurts to be reminded. :)

Really, the issue is not only value, but drawing. It's easy to get caught up in the properties of painting, and it's harder to always stick to that fundamental principle of "Drawing IS Painting". All of us need to become better draughtsmen in order to become better painters. It's a lifelong quest for all artists. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Amerasu
01-06-2006, 01:27 PM
I'll call this finished and I'll start on another one today. I think I'll just do a body part study though.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/paintings/010_figure1_final.jpg

Corvax
01-06-2006, 01:56 PM
just to clarify the whole desaturate vs. grayscale ..

Desaturate will create an average of the R, G and B channels and sens each channel at an
equal number doesn't reside on the same spot on a value range this offcause wont work :).

I find that a good technique is to create a layer on top of all your other ones, fill it whit any gray color and set the blendmode to color. You'll get an accurate depiction of your values and all the property of a layer, so you can quickly switch it on and off to see you values, and then go back to painting whit color. And you wont have to strip you color information like you would whit grayscale.

---
I should really stop mocking around playing tek-head and get back to painting.;)

~David Ren

SpiritDreamer
01-06-2006, 02:11 PM
Hi Rebecca...;)
You are totally right, and I totally agree...good solid draftmanship is the KEY and the GOAL.!!!
Your method of teaching.. IT... is OUTSTANDING ....:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

SaraD
01-06-2006, 02:33 PM
Hi gang! Some really good and interesting paintings going on here. As always!

Thanks for the points on my painting... Had to look the word up Rebeccak (the clecavle...-thing), but now I know what to work on more :) And I so agree with you on the face. Ill try to bring some more depth and dimension in it. Later.

One question when it comes to the B/W-underpainting a lot of you guys are doing... In what program are you working? Ive tried the technique in Painter and cant get a hold of it. I dont feel that the different layer-options give me good enough result :( How are you doing it? As you know I work in color from the beginning, or leave the painting in black/white...

Amerasu - I really like your style. Im in awe of the face, and hands. Good work!

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 02:37 PM
Glenn,

LOL, thanks. :D

SaraD,

Hey there! :) I've not tried the method in Painter, as I primarily use Photoshop. :) I think there are blending modes in Painter, but Glenn / Spirit Dreamer is the best person to field any Painter questions. :)

Of course, one thing you could try would be to bring the Painter file into Photoshop, and add the blending mode layers there.

Stahlberg's tutorial is really great:

http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-06-2006, 02:40 PM
Regarding anything I say that is wrong / stupid, :D you guys need to call me out on it more often. :D ~ I'm not offended, it helps! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-06-2006, 04:33 PM
as regards the value-desaturate-approach-to-painting discussion:

I find this debate exemplary for the focused and factual yet at the same time passionate and open-hearted style this forum maintains.

You might not be aware of it, but for me as a beginner to see the pros discuss their approaches is really valuable (no pun intended) information.

BTW, Mr Mu...I love the likeness in your pic :thumbsup:...i've had trouble getting the face on mine to look like the model (so in the end didn't bother)...but yours is great!!

Oh, man this means much to me, as you might not be aware of the fact that I took your work (among others) as a quality guide for my work in the OFDW - so thank you.

As concerns the likeness - I followed the hints Glenn posted in OFDW007. I haven't got to the same level Amerasu has reached (really great Amerasu), so if I feel bold enough I might go back to the face again when I am finished with the rest of the painting

pushav
01-06-2006, 05:07 PM
Nice work everyone.
Too bad that I did not join this one.
How did I miss this.:banghead:

Amerasu
01-06-2006, 07:57 PM
I started on another pose and wow, this position is tough!! I can't count the number of times I've erased, smudged or adjusted lines, arms, feets, legs and head. I'm still not totally on but I'll keep working at it.

I thought I'd go black & white and then colour after, something I never do. I always start right in colour so this will be new to me. I read the colouring/painting tutorial pasted somewhere on this thread and will give that a whirl, see how it goes.

Thanks for comments on previous painting :)

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure2e.jpg

SpiritDreamer
01-06-2006, 08:11 PM
Hi SaraD....A good and easy way to turn your colored painting into a black and white
halftone, to check out your values ect. useing PAINTER....
Go to EFFECTS top of screen..select...menu comes up...select SURFACE CONTROL on that
menu, then another menu comes up..select EXPRESS TEXTURE on that menu....
Now slide middle bar that says..GRAIN.. all the way to the left...
Adjust top bar...GREY THESHOLD, and CONTRAST bottom bar, until your picture comes
into focus....you can move your picture around in the view box, by holding your pen
down on it.
When you get your picture in focus, save it as a different number or version, and press OK..
That way you won't loose your colored version.
Hope this helps you out some...if you have any problems with it , let me know.
By the way, I really like the way you get the female skin to look so soft and beautiful..:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

Mu
01-06-2006, 10:09 PM
wow amerasu,
such a great likeness again and so quick! Great feel of balance on this difficult pose!

It's about time that I pulled it all together. So this is my starting point for the finishing refinements.

I am having a hard time using artrage's blending pallette knife as it is much bigger than the smallest brush even when set to 1%. I will have to blend some details with the smallest brush itself. This process will give it some texture, so it might not be bad after all.

All in all I can say I am so grateful for the hint I got in one of the last OFDWs to use artrage. Been a great experience...

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/2098/progress89qg.jpg

SpiritDreamer
01-06-2006, 10:20 PM
MR MU....Strongest work I have seen from you yet, a lot of nice things happening in it...:thumbsup:
GREAT FACE also....:)

Take Care
Glenn

Amerasu
01-07-2006, 01:01 AM
I'm going to call this done. My colouring after the fact looked terrible. I don't even want to post it. I think I'll stick to colouring my normal way :cry:

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/paintings/010_figure2_final.jpg

Here's my stages, though I forgot to save the initial sketch.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/010_figure2_stages.jpg


Mr. Mu Thank you! And I admire your painting in Artrage! I really like that program but I'm just not very good with it. I'm so used to the easiness of Photoshop that I find it difficult to paint digitally without layers and undo's. I can't blend like I want to. Anyway, I think your face is beautiful! The lighting is especially nice. It's a fantastic photo for facial lighting and you're definitely doing it justice. Nice work :)

Spirit Dreamer As usual, great work! I really love your "painterly" style. It's something I aspire to as I tend to totally over-render sometimes. I like the way you always put different poses together. It's all very artistic and soft :)

drawMonger Looking very strong so far! I like the way you've upped the brightness so her whole body is visible. Her face looks excellent already and her proportations seem right on. Good stuff!

Marco J Nice work for 40 minutes! It looks like you have a good start with the black and white values so it will be nice to see it finished.

SaraD Beautiful! You're so detailed and smooth with your painting! She looks so soft and creamy with that gorgeous skin. Excellent job with the lighting too :)

sturmkim Good start! I like the pastel look you have going on and I think you have a nice beginning. Looking forward to seeing it completed.

Rebeccak
01-07-2006, 03:58 AM
Mr. Mu,

Soooo impressed!!! :applause: Keep up the excellent work! ;)

Amerasu,

Nice work! Looking forward to your update! :wavey:

A little update from me...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_5A.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20010/Reb_5-CUA.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog
01-07-2006, 07:41 AM
Morning people :wavey:



Mr Mu -> great progress with this piece... you can be proud... it's very good... very effective style... :beer:



Amerasu -> congratulations for your latest pic...grey appear very good for her... maybe a background soon ? :thumbsup:



Beckie -> your sweet-soft-smooth-style... I'm always a fan of your art... beautiful work... of course... we ask for more :buttrock:

Vidar3d
01-07-2006, 08:19 AM
Rebecca, simply fantastic! I love the shading and hues!

Great progress MU!

Here is a colored update.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/ofdw-010b.jpg

SaraD
01-07-2006, 10:56 AM
Did some picking here and there :) A new "finished" painting :scream:
I think I leave this one now. You can always go back and find things thats not perfect, but you have to draw the line to yourself, and I do that now :banghead:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/010a_007.JPG

And SpiritDreamer - thanks for the tip, but thats not really what Im after. I want to find a good technique to paint a black and white underpainting and then colorize it without getting a greyish, dirty color. Ive tried the different layeroptions in Painter, but cant find the best way to do. A main problem for me, who uses brushes that blend, is that I either have to "Pick up underlying colour" OR get a white color for the blended edges. In Phostoshop you can smudge, for example, with transparency in the smudged areas. Is there a way of doing that in Painter? Do you get what Im after or am I to blurry :argh: Its hard to explain...

Rebeccak
01-07-2006, 12:47 PM
Lolo,

Thanks!! :) Great to see you here on the weekend! :arteest:

Vidar3d,

Thank you! :) I've a long way to go on this piece...missing last weekend due to travel hasn't helped my cause, but that's just my silly excuse! :scream:

I am hugely impressed with your piece ~ you're improving at a great rate, and learning a lot, I think, from the tremendous talent pool here. :)

Minor crits would be to work a bit on the clavicles (they look a bit thin / frail for her build) and the feet. Marvelous progress ~ keep going! :wip:

SaraD,

I think this pose looks much more natural, and I like your adjustments with the clavicle, leg. :)

Again, I don't know Painter, but it may be worthwhile to try to just bring the Painter piece into PS and do the blending modes there. Just a suggestion, of course. :)

Everyone's doing really great work! Very inspiring guys!! :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
01-07-2006, 12:52 PM
Hi Amerasu
Your rendering was so beautiful I couldn't resist putting some color in it using Painter.
Hope you are not offended or anything. Only spent about 10 minutes on it.
Can be taken alot further color-wise I am sure.

SaraD:
I rarely use blenders. Just colored brush strokes and filters or effects.
Don't know if this tutorial will be of any help to you.

Here ia a link to a tutorial I did on the "Beginner's Lounge":
Painting Tutorial (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229&page=14&pp=15)

I never paint over gray scale underpainting. But I can get color in an image
like I just did on Amerasu's piece by using effects only. You might try going that route
and then putting a layer on top and try painting your colors on the top layer.
I don't think you'll get "mud" that way. But I am not sure...Try it anyway.

If all your shadows and rendering are correct in gray scale, you should not have
to use any "blenders" to put color in. That would be the wrong "tool".
You should be able to just tint it like Rembradt did his paintings.
(with digital you can use filters and effects to achieve the same outcome)
Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/paint_over_10-2.jpg

Amerasu
01-07-2006, 04:25 PM
Spirit Dreamer, No.. I don't mind at all! I think she looks pretty good in the gold tones :)

I'm with you though, I'll stick to my coloured brush strokes for the most part when I want a colour painting. Colouring on gray scale didn't go well for me. I'm sure that's because I don't have a clue what I'm doing!! I can blend, shade, overlay, multiply, etc. forever but it still doesn't look natural to me. I've seen some amazing results of people painting over grayscale but I can't manage it yet.

SaraD
01-07-2006, 06:00 PM
SpiritDreamer and Rebeccak - Ill try your different techniques and see what I can do with them.

Just to clarify about blenders - I dont use the blendertools, but I use brushes with low opacity and resaturation. Maybe the "real" blender tools works differently. Gonna try those :)

Pingulord
01-07-2006, 10:06 PM
Hey there everyone! ^^
Great pictures Ive seen so far...
Im really new to this whole buisiness so Im a bit late but I wanted to post something aswell, so here it is.. -.-
http://www.funnypage.info/files/back.jpg

This one took me some hours.. well Im not quiet sure how long it really was but it was definetly to long. -.-

jinnseng
01-07-2006, 10:06 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/11gests.jpg

A WIP. I'm working down the body, right now i'm around the stomach area right now. Her face looks old! I need to go back and work on that... and probably a hundred other things.

Rebeccak
01-07-2006, 10:10 PM
jinnseng,

Great to have you join us! :)

I agree that the face looks a bit old atm, but I think that's easily fixed by removing the heavy facial crease running alongside her nose, cheek, and mouth.

The torso and left shoulder are looking quite good ~ keep going, I'm sure you will get there! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-07-2006, 10:19 PM
jinnseng - unique look and great values... looking forward to your progress

Everybody!
Thanks so much for your appreciation and warm comments. You know, I just started last year and I think I will remember the support and open-hearted help I received here on my struggle to learn drawing/painting even in years from now on.

Yeah, my journey has just begun!:buttrock:

Alas, I do understand how someone on this forums said art is never finished, only abandoned... I can't look at it no longer. So, unless someone points out something that I simply cannot leave like this I call this finished.

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/8702/progress91jy.jpg

tried to colorize it using the gimp and a color layer. I used desaturated tones for the light/exposed parts and rather saturated colors for the shades.
Rebecca, in stahlbergs tutorial he mentions his skin shading tutorial for further details, but I don't know where that is... How do I decide which tones to use on which parts in order to not make it look like metal (as stahlberg warns):

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/9894/colouredlofi1sg.jpg

don't we all just love animations?

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/8351/progressanim7fi.gif

Rebeccak
01-07-2006, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by Pingulord:
http://www.funnypage.info/files/back.jpg
Pingulord, my apologies, didn't see your post before! Welcome to CGTalk, and to the Anatomy Forum! :) We're glad to have you aboard. Would you like to tell us something about yourself, your background, and your training? This always helps. :)

Even though technically this piece is for another OFDW, it's fine with me if you post here, as you will be more likely to get group feedback that way. However, typically, we try to post work to the Workshops that uses Reference from that particular OFDW. But no worries. :)

You've got a nice start here ~ I look forward to seeing your update!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-07-2006, 10:29 PM
Alas, I do understand how someone on this forums said art is never finished, only abandoned... I can't look at it no longer. So, unless someone points out something that I simply cannot leave like this I call this finished.
Mr. Mu, I would say to focus on black and white at this point, and not worry about color. I think the main thing I would say to continue to work on would be her hand, as she seems to have exceedingly long fingers. Apart from that, I must congratulate you on coming such a long way in such a short amount of time! :wip:

Rebecca, in stahlbergs tutorial he mentions his skin shading tutorial for further details, but I don't know where that is... How do I decide which tones to use on which parts in order to not make it look like metal (as stahlberg warns):
Note that in the Painting Tutorial, Steven says:

When you've taken this as far as it can go, start using brushes in 'Normal' mode. (Again I use round hardedged brushes, with pressure sensitive opacity mostly, occasionally Airbrush or texture brushes.) You'll know when it's reached that stage, you can feel it - the point of sharply diminishing return. It gets harder and harder to see what you're doing with these modes, since they're very transparent and subtle. For the next level of subtlety it's best to use straight Normal mode. But if the preceding stage of colorization has gotten you close enough, you won't need to cover all of the image with 100% opacity, you can focus on some areas, which makes it easier.

Now is also the time when I enlarge the image to it's final resolution, to get all the detailing done with the opaque paint.


There is included on his page a Skin Shading Tutorial, but it's for 3D ~ haven't read it, you may wish to to see if it contains any applicable 2D bits of information.


The painting tutorial is here:
http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html


All of Steven's tutorials are here:
http://www.androidblues.com/howto.html


Hope this helps!


Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
01-07-2006, 11:40 PM
When you've taken this as far as it can go, start using brushes in 'Normal' mode.[...]

oh well, I overlooked this. I would mess up completely using normal mode, that is for sure. I will remain monochromatic, then.

Don't think I am not listening to your repeated advice about this, it is just that I long for being able to use colour one day and I also wonder what the steps for my transition or expanding will be.

Cause I am absolutely clueless about this, at the time being. I have read about color theory , but it is so much information I just can't figure out an ordered or tidy approach to it. I have read about primary,secondary and tertiary colors, I kept in mind that colors saturate in strong light, except when you deal with skin, I read about subsurface scattering and color pallettes - yet after all it seems that I am still missing that one decisive hint for a first step into the world of colour...

*sigh*

Maybe I am just impatient.

I will stick to monochrome until I figured this out...:wip:

Rebeccak
01-07-2006, 11:46 PM
Mr. Mu,

There is total honor in taking things one step at a time. :) There is a color thread somewhere hereabouts...why not take a simple image, like a landscape (no figure) and try to reproduce it digitally? I can help you out. Best to separate out the color exercises initially from the overall more complex problem of figure + color.

Color Theory and The Human Figure - NUDITY (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303793)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303793

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Pingulord
01-08-2006, 12:26 AM
Thanks Rebecca... and sorry for the wrong posting. I heavnt looked trough most of the works since Ive got only 56k DialUp... T__T

Ohhh well... about my backgroud... Im from Germany and still in school right now. And my training... well... just looking at every possible thing around me. ^^ Learned the basics of drawing heads years before and learned from my own since then.
I usually draw the classical way with pencils and coal but digital art is cheaper because you dont have to buy colors and good brushes all the time... -.-
I dont really know what to say anymore, besides a big sry for my bad english and please ask anything if you want to.

@Jinseng: I think you should be able to fix the face quite easy... just "pull" her cheak up a little bit. And I think her right shoulder looks kinda odd.... you should propably render it a bit smoother. ^^ Still thats some great work youve got there... XD

Icey
01-08-2006, 11:54 AM
hope i'm not always the last one to post his work on these threads :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/phoodjajjfpsd.jpg

Mu
01-08-2006, 01:19 PM
There is a color thread somewhere hereabouts...why not take a simple image, like a landscape (no figure) and try to reproduce it digitally? I can help you out

*rubs a tear out of the corner of his eye*

thank you.... I will post an exercise for this task in the given thread then.:beer:

Rebeccak
01-08-2006, 02:35 PM
Mr. Mu,

LOL, no prob. :)

Icey,

As always, your drawings are beautiful...I think I had mentioned that you would really like Ingres (pronounced sort of like ahn~gruh) before, you should really look at his work! :)

http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ingwoodh.jpg
http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ingwoodh.jpg

http://www.oberlin.edu/allenart/artpix2/ingres_dominique_cf1.jpg
http://www.oberlin.edu/allenart/artpix2/ingres_dominique_cf1.jpg

http://www.kmtspace.com/kmt/bf-ingres-orign.jpg
http://www.kmtspace.com/kmt/bf-ingres-orign.jpg

http://artquizz.free.fr/ingres/ingres13.jpg
http://artquizz.free.fr/ingres/ingres13.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Icey
01-08-2006, 02:49 PM
rebeccak, i do like him! :) i see he has an wonderful style! I don't think it'll be among my favorites, but he has beautyful style :)

i really like a lot pierre paul :) the anatomy on that guy just flows like a melody, with guitars and mandolins and sometimes drums...
i'll check more of ingres work ... maby i'll make a larger ideea about him :)
thank you for the images

Rebeccak
01-08-2006, 02:56 PM
Icey,

I love Prud'hon, too! :)


http://www.talleyrand.org/entourage/images/pierre_paul_royer_collard_001.jpg
http://www.talleyrand.org/entourage/images/pierre_paul_royer_collard_001.jpg

http://www.art.net/studios/visual/Rebecca/RoughPrud.jpg
http://www.art.net/studios/visual/Rebecca/RoughPrud.jpg

http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsprudhondr.jpg
http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsprudhondr.jpg

http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/stern/Images/stern3-30-6s.jpg
http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/stern/Images/stern3-30-6s.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/660000/images/_661281_nude150.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/660000/images/_661281_nude150.jpg

http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsingresgraphite.jpg
http://www.biddingtons.com/content/images/lsingresgraphite.jpg

Icey, have you ever done any Master Copies from Prud'hon, or from others? :)

EDIT: Also, I think you would quite enjoy this book:

"The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823003035/ref=pd_kar_gw_1/103-2497184-1739012?%5Fencoding=UTF8%2CUTF8&v=glance&n=283155) by Anthony Ryder (artist).
As written in the BOOKS thread: it's an excellent book, and not too expensive. The artist is a traditional artist working in pencil ~ his work is HIGHLY realistic and beautiful.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Icey
01-08-2006, 03:07 PM
yes! :) ofcourse :) but quite a wile ago... my studys aren't that good...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/cdcbd310.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/lord/5518b83c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/lord/5a337686.jpg

and this - with the angel wings - a total mess :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/lord/8821c5ed.jpg

Rebeccak
01-08-2006, 03:11 PM
Icey,

Wow, these really attest to the power and purpose of doing Master Studies ~ the discipline really shows in your own work! It would be terrific to see more studies like these ~ you should really start your own Anatomy Thread ~ Anatomy Thread of Icey ~ and post these as well as your other works there as well. :)

It looks like the main thing you struggle with in these copies is the lower leg and foot ~ perhaps some studies of just these areas might help? Just a thought. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Icey
01-08-2006, 03:20 PM
hehe - maby i will start that thread :)

it;s not much to show, but... it wown't do no harm :) I do have certain problems and areas i'm strugleing with , but i'm fighting with them! :) We'll see who wins the fight in the end

cheers!

Icey

Lemog
01-09-2006, 08:15 AM
This one is finish now...

...I've tried something different of my usual style... hope you like...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/lemog/ofdw10_3_07_540.jpg

mark-jenkins
01-09-2006, 11:36 AM
This is about 3-4 hours progress. I was going to colour it but I see that OFDW 11 is up and running so I am going to leave this as it is for now. I may come back to it later.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/marcoj_1971/figure/figuredrawing-3.jpg

Rebeccak
01-09-2006, 11:41 AM
Marco J,

WOW, fantastic work so far! :applause:

The only thing I notice is that her head may be slightly too large / luminous for her body ~ but that's an easy fix if you ever wanted to tweak that. :)

Great work! Look forward to your participation in OFDW 011!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

mark-jenkins
01-09-2006, 12:18 PM
Thanks Rebecca,
I am downloading the refs for OFDW 11 right now!

Rebeccak
01-09-2006, 01:38 PM
Marco J,

Sweet! See you there!

Cheers, :)

~Rk

jinnseng
01-10-2006, 11:25 PM
I think this is pretty much done.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/11gests2.jpg

I think there might be a problem with the right foot, I might have it a little small or something else weird. I've had a really hard time working digital lately. I had been doing only charcoal drawings for the past few months I kind of forgot how to work digitally. I was able to finish this one because I think it finally figured out some ways that I can use my charcoal drawing techniques for digital work. Here some extra shots if anyone cares to take a look. Thanks!

Upclose (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/11upclose.jpg)
WIP 1 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/wip1.jpg), 2 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/wip2.jpg), 3 (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/wip3.jpg)

Rebeccak
01-12-2006, 05:04 PM
Hi guys,

Have been kind of busy after work these days, and so have been a bit slow to respond generally...but will try to take a look soon ~ it's great to see people still enjoying this thread. :) Bear in mind that the most recent OFDW is OFDW 011 ~ hope you will join us there, as well ~ we're one week into it, feel free to join in at any time! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-13-2006, 01:52 AM
jinnseng,

Though perhaps not completely finished, the progress you have made on this piece is great! :) I know how hard it is to go back and forth between media ~ particularly when you've been ensconced for so long within one, the transition back and forth is tough. But I like how you've brought some of the charcoal / drawing sensibility into your piece. I hope you'll continue to participate in the OFDWs! OFDW 011 is ongoing ~ for another week, then a new one will launch. Please feel free to join in at any time!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
01-14-2006, 11:51 AM
Sorry i'm so late on this...but here's my last update on this one. Great work all!
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/010-2-07.jpg

Rebeccak
01-14-2006, 01:39 PM
drawMonger,

Really beautiful, sensitive work! Any plans for the background? I definitely love the sketchy feel and the sense that this has been intentionally left feeling a bit unfinished / painterly. Lovely work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
01-14-2006, 03:29 PM
Thanks Rebecca! I'd like to do the background, but i don't want to miss out on OFDW11...so might stop here with this one ;)

Rebeccak
01-14-2006, 03:31 PM
Gotcha! See you there! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ravena
01-15-2006, 12:52 PM
Hi Rebeccak (http://member.php?u=148587) and everyone,

first sorry for my very bad english.

I find these OFD-threads are very helpfully. Thank you for this workshops, references from photos with extraordinary great models.

In the past I only have read in cgtalk-forums, your comments, and looked for your great pictures. And what can I say, those threads itches in my fingers to take the pen and start drawing. (I hope Ive say this clearly enough for understanding. Oje.)

What a shame! With a look in the rules I have read there is no time limit to post here. So for 3 days I began to draw from a pose OFD 010 and then, to late, Ive read that is a time limit about 2 weeks.

I hope it's not a great problem and not too late, to post my work here.

And now Ihave start the new workshop 011.

(By the way, this is also a good English practice for me.)

My skills in drawing:

As a child and teenager I draw a lot of traditional art, with pencil and charcoal, inspired by Boris Vallejo and generally fantasy art. But with many anatomical errors. Sometimes I try acrylic for fun.

My skills in digital art:

No more real beginner but far far away to be really good and I have not found my technic to color figures. So I tried this and that and between that I love my eraser and my Patience.

Yes I know: practice, practice, practice. :-)

Since I found your OFD-Workshops, I use my eye to find colors, not the Eyedropper Tool.

All in one I would say Im newbie (newgie for girl?) with practicepracticepractice.

Sorry for this long Preface.

Ciao, see you in 011,

Ravena

And here is my work, c&c welcome.

EDIT: update 18.01.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3271/800x10640db.jpg

Rebeccak
01-15-2006, 01:15 PM
Ravena,

Welcome aboard! Wow, your piece is stunning! It's great to have you here, and I hope that you will definitely continue to participate in our OFDWs. :)

Don't worry ~ all OFDWs remain open on a continual basis ~ it's just that a new OFDW is posted every 2 weeks, and people tend to move on to the new OFDW, as it's best to work as a group. However, some people have posted months after the soft deadline, and that's no problem with me! :)

I've taken the liberty of editing your post ~ it's best to copy and paste the URL of your image into the square yellow sun/mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor, so that people can see your work as an image and not have to click on a link. :) I hope you don't mind! :)

Thank you for telling us about yourself, and we're happy to have you here!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ravena
01-15-2006, 01:25 PM
Hi Rebeccak,

thank you so much for your warm welcome and comment.

Yes, I will continue to participate in our OFDWs. :-)) As long as my slow type here does not you disturb. O God my English. *lol*

O and thank you for editing my post (image).


Ciao,
Ravena

drawMonger
01-15-2006, 02:02 PM
Hey, Great work Ravena! I love the way you've rendered the highlights on the right leg :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
01-15-2006, 02:25 PM
Ravena,

No problem! Your English is fine, I'm always impressed with those who speak more than one language (most of Europe can ~ most of America can't) ;) ~ so please don't be shy! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ravena
01-15-2006, 07:25 PM
Hi drawMonger,

thank you, in the moment I grew one foot, because of your friendly words. Thanks for the praise. And thanks to Rebeccak.

Ciao,
Ravena

MechaHateChimp
01-18-2006, 01:58 AM
http://joelcarlo.net/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-010_sketch-04.jpg

Finally got around to finishing it. I got a little lazy toward the end but :shrug:

Now I can take some time and view and enjoy everyone elses work until the next OFDW!

Rebeccak
01-18-2006, 02:39 AM
Mecha,

Gah!!! I don't know what it is, do you ever experience not being able to post to a thread? Or am I just deflicted? :D

At any rate ~ now that I'm in! Woo! I have to say I'm becoming a big fan of your work. Really love the color environment in this piece, and the economy with which you paint. The one thing that's bugging me is the area around the navel ~ perhaps too dark, too big a brush stroke there. Apart from that, I think this is a beautiful work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

MechaHateChimp
01-18-2006, 04:20 AM
Mecha,

Gah!!! I don't know what it is, do you ever experience not being able to post to a thread? Or am I just deflicted? :D

At any rate ~ now that I'm in! Woo! I have to say I'm becoming a big fan of your work. Really love the color environment in this piece, and the economy with which you paint. The one thing that's bugging me is the area around the navel ~ perhaps too dark, too big a brush stroke there. Apart from that, I think this is a beautiful work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

LOL.. Im a man on a mission!:D

I definitely didnt refine it as much as should have I guess. The stomach is something I wont argue on. Im at a point now where I start to get tired with pieces that I dont finish right away. I almost didnt with this one but felt guilty the more I looked at it. -J

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