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Rebeccak
12-11-2005, 11:51 PM
NOW OPEN!!! OPEN FIGURE DRAWING WORKSHOP 009!!!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/Ben-Miller-Announcement_009.jpg


Welcome to the NINTH thread of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop!!!


Ben Miller's full gallery of images can be found at:
http://justmeina.deviantart.com/gallery/

Ben additionally moderates “The Figure Drawing Factory” http://figuredrawingfactory.info/


>>RULES FOR THE THREADS<<


1. Photographs are the property of Ben Miller and Liang Wang respectively and are copyrighted as such.

2. Photographs are NOT to be used for ANY other purpose apart from Figurative Drawing Reference for this thread on CGTalk.

3. The drawings created from the photo reference provided here MUST be TASTEFUL, SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, and for the purpose of serious study of the human figure. Those who post silly, disrespectful, or tasteless work will have their posts deleted immediately
and will no longer be allowed to post on this thread. Ben Miller, Rebecca Kimmel, and Roberto Ortiz reserve the right to determine which drawings are considered to be in poor taste and / or disrespectful to the model/s, who have generously agreed to allow their images to be used on the condition that they be used for the tasteful and serious study of Figurative Art only.

4. There is NO TIME LIMIT for posting on this thread.

5. New threads containing new photographs will be posted on a bi-weekly basis, depending on the number of photographs available.

6. There is NO LIMIT to the NUMBER of posts an artist may make. However, we ask that you post only your BEST WORK, even if it is considered unfinished.

7. Artists who post comments and critiques of other artists' work on this thread must be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, and offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Flaming will be NOT be tolerated, and constitutes dismissal from this and other threads.

8. I will be offering the occasional comments / critique ~ however, the main focus of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop threads should be on Group Critique and interaction. :)

9. ANY MEDIUM or STYLE may be used: Traditional or Digital Drawing or Painting, Gestural, Sketch, Finished Render, etc.

10. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

11. Please limit the SIZE of your POSTS to 800 pixels WIDTH x Appropriate pixel LENGTH. No huge posts, please!

12. Have fun, enjoy, and create great art! :)

LINKS to Photographs: WARNING: Nudity:

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 1 ~ Ben Miller, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/OFDW-009_Ben_01.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 2 ~ Ben Miller, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/OFDW-009_Ben_02.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 3 ~ Ben Miller, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/OFDW-009_Ben_03.jpg)

PLEASE NOTE: WIP (Work In Progress) images are an important part of the OFDWs and are encouraged. Please DO post WIP images as you work on your pieces. :)

Good luck! :)



~Rebeccak and Ben Miller

Ego
12-12-2005, 12:40 AM
Yeah! Ben is back. Great choices Becca and different lighting. :thumbsup:





:P

Rebeccak
12-12-2005, 02:29 AM
Queenie,

Hehe, you mean Ben? :D

Yep, great model! :thumbsup:

Ego
12-12-2005, 02:43 AM
Queenie,

Hehe, you mean Ben? :D

Yep, great model! :thumbsup:
DAMMIT! Meant Ben.
*Hides from Ben until I hit the edit button*

justmeina
12-12-2005, 02:51 AM
DAMMIT! Meant Ben.
*Hides from Ben until I hit the edit button*No worries by me! I'm just happy to be "back" :bounce: and I hope my being here is helpful. If I can be of any additional help to anyone, please let me know.

Rebeccak
12-12-2005, 02:58 AM
Queensoul, Ben, LOL!! :scream:

Hehe, very funny ~ it's okay, because sometimes I get my own name wrong...:curious: ~ it's a Korean blonde thing. :beer:

Welcome back, Ben! Thanks for the amazing pictures, and glad to have you back on the forums. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ego
12-12-2005, 03:45 AM
Queensoul, Ben, LOL!! :scream:

Hehe, very funny ~ it's okay, because sometimes I get my own name wrong...:curious: ~ it's a Korean blonde thing. :beer:

Welcome back, Ben! Thanks for the amazing pictures, and glad to have you back on the forums. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak
Haha, just in time. Phew! I blame this entirely on cough syrup.
Hey Becca dont forget to post these on the 15 minute sketchathon. I know you wont, but just reminding you :P

Rebeccak
12-12-2005, 03:47 AM
Doh!!! Right! Thanks for reminding me Queenie! :D

@Ben,

FYI, we've recently begun the practice of putting the same Reference images from the OFDWs on the 15 Minute Sketchathon thread. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498

Cheers, :)

~Rk

depleteD
12-12-2005, 06:25 AM
whad up im on this

Rebeccak
12-12-2005, 06:31 AM
depleteD,

Sweet! Some great work to come, then! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-12-2005, 08:18 AM
Subscribe here... :)


...interesting, I had never tested with a man :scream: :thumbsup:

EAD
12-12-2005, 11:37 AM
Count me in for this one:thumbsup:>> I have a sudden urge to render flesh>> lets rock

a big thanks to Ben for the pics.

Zarracin
12-12-2005, 01:03 PM
Excellent idea! I was feeling like doing some sketches in photosop
Thanks for the photos: really great poses.
I specially love the first one
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4836/sketchwip7xq.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sketchwip7xq.jpg)
Still unfinished. About 2 hours: photoshop. (the left leg is killing me; I have to work more on it)

Lemog
12-12-2005, 01:35 PM
Muy bien Javier... y en 2 horas :thumbsup:

With little time to refined it more... this picture will be perfect... bravo :beer:

Rebeccak
12-12-2005, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Lolo: Subscribe here... :)

...interesting, I had never tested with a man :scream: :thumbsup:
Great to see you here Lolo! :bounce:Looking forward to some man~tastic work from you! :scream:

Originally posted by AOAH: Count me in for this one:thumbsup:>> I have a sudden urge to render flesh>> lets rock

a big thanks to Ben for the pics.
Bring it on, AOAH!!! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Zarracin: Excellent idea! I was feeling like doing some sketches in photosop. Thanks for the photos: really great poses.
I specially love the first one
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/...chwip7xq.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4836/sketchwip7xq.th.jpg)
Still unfinished. About 2 hours: photoshop. (the left leg is killing me; I have to work more on it)
Welcome aboard the OFDWs! Great to have you here...will definitely take a look at your piece when I'm not at work. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

justmeina
12-12-2005, 04:52 PM
You're welcome, Andyonahill. My pleasure. I quite enjoy seeing the resulting works. I find it very rewarding.

I like where you're going, Zarracin. It's looking very nice. Although I don't draw, I'm not surprised that the left leg would be challenging, basically coming straight out like it is. I'm a little surprised to hear that you especially liked the first photo, as I'll admit that when I did them initially (about a year ago now), I nearly scrapped that one. Often interesting how that all turns out.

drawMonger
12-12-2005, 11:50 PM
Great poses Ben! Cheers!!

Corvax
12-13-2005, 10:30 AM
Sweet another OFDW. :applause:

I'm gonna get right on it.

~David René.

drawMonger
12-13-2005, 11:20 AM
A break from the computer for me this time...pencil
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/009-3-1.jpg

Lemog
12-13-2005, 11:45 AM
Very good break Pete :applause: really appreciate this framing... very closed... terribly graphic... good choice :thumbsup:

drawMonger
12-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Cheers Lemog...glad you like it :)

SaraD
12-13-2005, 01:06 PM
I`m not sure I feel like finishing this... The male figure is so much harder to paint than the female:( And my patience is low today :) But lets see how far I´ll take it.
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_003.JPG

Lemog
12-13-2005, 01:10 PM
I understand you very well Sara... and it's worst for me... I can't start :sad:

...I will return to the 15mn... :D

Ego
12-13-2005, 03:26 PM
Drawmonger :thumbsup:

This is my 15 minute pass on the pose. Time ran out before I could do anything else. So will continue WIPing it here. I am doing Ben in pastels on Ingress Pastel paper. Teehee, I see a lot of errors already. :P

http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/OFDW-009_Ben_03a.jpg

Corvax
12-13-2005, 11:26 PM
Okay so I'm about an hour into this ~ don't really like the way the colors are now, but other then that I'm pretty satisfied.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_03painting01.jpg

~David René.

Lemog
12-14-2005, 05:21 AM
Yes Corvax... I think too you have many color range on your drawing... but your way seem good anyway... continue it, refine it... and at the final... adjust its tones... that will be good...

The arm appear already very good... I wait the same level for the other part... go Corvax :thumbsup:

Vidar3d
12-14-2005, 05:29 AM
I'm still working on refining some of work from previous workshops but managed to get this basic gesture in before going to bed. Excellent poses! Many thanks to the generous model.http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/009g.jpg

Rebeccak
12-14-2005, 07:23 AM
Some good stuff started here already! :thumbsup:

Zarracin,

Great to see you here for the OFDWs! :) Your piece is coming along nicely...good proportions, value establishment is being well and evenly worked up ~ looking forward to your update! :)

drawMonger,

Great to see you working traditionally as well! I quite like how you've cropped this, and also like the sort of ethereal lighting you've given this figure ~ I think you're sort of onto an ethereal lighting phase, which I really enjoy! :thumbsup: Will you be doing a digital piece as well? :)

SaraD,

I hope you do decide to continue on...a good start as usual, and surely a beautiful result. :) Looking forward to your update ~ a challenge is a good thing, no? :)

Queensoul,

Good start here, will you be doing a digital piece as well? I like that you are working traditionally, I think that it forces you to focus, as there is no Ctrl + Z. Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Lemog,

Chicken! :scream:

David,

Wow, only an hour? Great start! Definitely looking forward to seeing how this turns out. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
12-14-2005, 09:55 AM
Didn´t like the colors. So, I started a new one. And to make the best possible chance for me to finish this one, I started on legs instead of arms - so I don´t get bored and give up :) It´s never fun to paint the same parts over and over again :rolleyes:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_004.JPG

drawMonger
12-14-2005, 01:02 PM
Thanks Queenie and Rebecca for the feedback!
Will you be doing a digital piece as well? yep! looking forward to it this weekend.

Corvax
12-14-2005, 03:16 PM
Yes Corvax... I think too you have many color range on your drawing... but your way seem good anyway... continue it, refine it... and at the final... adjust its tones... that will be good...

The arm appear already very good... I wait the same level for the other part... go Corvax :thumbsup:
Thanks Lemog :) .
I'm just gonna correct the colors as I go along, ad this point I still have to touch every single part of the image again so there are lots of opportunities to fix them.

The blending does somehow seem to help a bit, it makes the colors look a bit more uniform then when they lay hard-edged against one another.

looking forward to see your contribution to this workshop..
David,

Wow, only an hour? Great start! Definitely looking forward to seeing how this turns out. :)
*he he* :D thanks a lot... but don't expect me to keep up that pace, I can only work fast in the beginning once I have to refine anything it takes me ages :) .

Okay and now for an update:


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_03painting02.jpg

~David René.

Rebeccak
12-14-2005, 03:18 PM
Looking great, David! :) The balance is already well~established, and your proportions look great. I think it's funny that you seem to like to refine the hands first...most people leave them to the last. :D

Keep up the good work! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
12-14-2005, 03:31 PM
hmm cant realy answer for what other people do :) ... the hand just drew a lot of attention to itself, so it felt natural to paint it in there early in the process, it seemed logical to me *hehe*.

MechaHateChimp
12-14-2005, 04:13 PM
http://killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-009_sketch-01.jpg

I think I posted this in the wrong thread this morning :hmm:

This is my first post for the OFDW. Its around a 20 minute sketch done in PS + Wacom. I will continue with it in PS, but I think I will do future figure drawings in pencil since I still dont feel I have as much control with the tablet as I do with pencil.

Rebeccak
12-14-2005, 04:19 PM
Mecha,

Great to see you here! :) No worries, we're doing a new thing now, where we post the same Reference images in the 15 Minute Sketchathon Reference thread as for the OFDWs ~ that way, people can start out doing a quick sketch if they like in the 15 MS thread, and then mosey on down to the OFDWs to refine their pieces to a higher degree. :) So, you did things exactly right. ;)

All media are welcome in the OFDWs, and in fact, it's funny, as it the OFDWs have become more about digital painting than drawing (it seems the 15 MS is more drawing~oriented) but both Traditional / Digital Drawing / Painting is most certainly welcome in both threads! In fact, we had one person (Stahlberg) pose a 3D model for the first OFDW, so that should give you some idea of our flexibility. :)

Look forward to your continued partication! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Elsie
12-14-2005, 04:30 PM
Right, am here :D! Some great poses - I am especially terrrrible with male anatomy, so this will be...an adventure heh. Now I just have to choose one >_<...been working like crazy on some boring commissioned textures the last two days, nearly done, so hopefully I can start as soon as possible :wip:

Some really impressive starts from everyone else so far :)

Rebeccak
12-14-2005, 04:39 PM
SaraD,

I like your second piece better ~ though I'm sure the first would have developed just fine. :)

Welcome aboard, Elsie! Look forward to seeing your work! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

depleteD
12-14-2005, 08:02 PM
Looking good guys.

This thread doesnt close for entries soon does it? im haveing trouble finding the time to finish mine.
wow i jsut read the rules. this is awip thread to lol. Brb
-ANdrew

depleteD
12-14-2005, 08:26 PM
Crits away
http://people.uleth.ca/%7Eandrew.melnychukosee/figdrawing/workshop009v1.jpg

SpiritDreamer
12-14-2005, 11:46 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Here is my latest experiment adventure. Using Painter 8 oil brushes and colored spotlights that act like a tint. Going to try on this one to use Caravaggio's method of making parts of the figure that are closest to the viewer crisp and clear and the parts that are further away from viewer soft and receding into the darkness of the surrounding colors. He used this method on every form of the body. From major forms all the way down to the fingertips.
Starting to get the lighting the way I like it now.
Next step will be to go back into figure with color to bring out lights and shadows.
And refine curves outside and inside of figure.
By the way everybody's work looks like it is off to a great start.
Nice to see all the different styles happening.
Comments opinions and criticisms by anyone and everyone are always welcome, needed, and appreciated.
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben.jpg

MechaHateChimp
12-15-2005, 06:42 AM
http://killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-009_sketch-02.jpg

Laying out some color.

Rebeccak
12-15-2005, 06:47 AM
Mecha,

Sweet progress so far. Definitely looking forward to seeing how this progresses. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
12-15-2005, 07:01 AM
Quick Update. Just starting establish the values on this one. I am hoping to actually finish this one in color.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/009g2.jpg

SaraD
12-15-2005, 10:10 AM
Tadaaa - I haven´t given up yet ;)

http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_005.JPG

Like SpiritDreamer says, the different styles and approaches here is refreshing and fun and inspiring!

jzarracina
12-15-2005, 10:32 AM
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5655/image0083al.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0083al.jpg)

sdding some colors and working on the face...need to find time to work on it.

Mecha, i love your approach! I'm inspired by the bold strokes. I'll try to use some of these for the future.

Zarracin
12-15-2005, 11:04 AM
Adding some color and working on the face. Need to find time to work on it.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3962/image0088po.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0088po.jpg)

Mecha, I love your approach! i'm very inspired by the bold, loose brushstrokes. I'm gonna try to use in future projects.

Lemog
12-15-2005, 12:08 PM
Mecha, I love your approach! i'm very inspired by the bold, loose brushstrokes. I'm gonna try to use in future projects.
Like you Javier, I'm very interested by his approach... I love this way... not easy for me...

Anyway... I really appreciate all the other interpretations (as yours) and styles... very inspiring sor far :thumbsup:



SaraD -> Slowly... but perfectly... :applause:

SaraD
12-15-2005, 01:18 PM
You´re so right lemog... This is going sooo slow. I am a huge fan of the male body, but not when it comes to paint it ;) It´s hard. But I´m hangin´in there. I refuse to give up :banghead:

http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_006.JPG

MechaHateChimp
12-15-2005, 03:13 PM
Mecha,

Sweet progress so far. Definitely looking forward to seeing how this progresses. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thanks Rebecca :)

Im probably going to have to work on it a little bit at a time for now on. I just dedicated myself to working on some illustrations for a short story so I'll be concentrating on that until it is complete. I hope to knock out a little more this weekend. - J

justmeina
12-15-2005, 03:21 PM
by drawmonger: Great poses Ben!

Thanks!

And, thanks to all for the opportunity to participate here in this way and see your works :applause: . I'm greatly enjoying it and appreciate it very much :thumbsup:.

SpiritDreamer
12-16-2005, 12:01 AM
Hi Rebecca and everyone
Today's update
#1 Softened last figure posted using softener brush tint section Painter 8
Then started laying on thick impasto strokes of color.
#2 Went over figure with thick impasto brush strokes, oils
Searching out areas of light and shadow
#3 Blended using soft blend stump #30, blender section, Painter 8
Also upped resolution from really low to really high in this phase

Next phase paint over, searching for colors and refine as I go along.
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben_2.jpg

Rebeccak
12-16-2005, 03:14 AM
Vidar3d,

Good stuff so far, nice balance and proportions thus far. Looking forward to your update! :)

Zarracin,

I'm a bit confused ~ you're registered under two different user names? Any particular reason for this? :) FYI, the first post loads a lot faster than the second. You'll want to compress your jpgs, make a copy that is smaller to post so that it will load fairly quickly. Ideally, a jpg should be under 200 KB to load quickly. No biggie, just letting you know. :)

At any rate, your piece is looking great, and I look forward to seeing your next steps. :)

SaraD,

You're doing brilliantly, and I'm sure you're on the fast track to completing this. :thumbsup: Looking forward to the final result. :)

Mecha,

Cool, look forward to seeing your progress later on. Bear in mind, this OFDW will run for another week. :)

Glenn,

I like your experimentation, keep going with that! Just remember that the strokes aren't more important than the painting, and keep finding that balance between experimentation and representation. :thumbsup:

Inspiring stuff here guys and gals! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
12-16-2005, 03:15 AM
Update on my progress. I used drawing with right side of ur brain technique for shaping the contour. For colors, I just need more practices. I never seem to understand color theory. I just paint what i see from the picture and here is my attempt.:D

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/stage1.jpg

oh. I want to thanks rebeccak for the comments and help. In previous post. Im really appreciated :D

Rebeccak
12-16-2005, 03:40 AM
ericyeo,

No problem. :)

If you are new to digital painting, then I think that the best thing to do is to focus on doing a Value Study, using just 3 Values: White, Mid-Gray, and Black.

I've taken your original image, and desaturated it in Photoshop (Image > Adjustments > Desaturate, or Ctrl + Shift + U):

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/ericyeo_rev.gif

I've also increased the Brightness and Contrast on the desaturated image (Image > Adjustments > Brightness / Contrast).

This is to show that Value is more important than Color.

VALUE RANGE = FULL RANGE FROM BLACK -> WHITE:

White Mid-Gray Black

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/Gray-Scale.jpg

Check out these Tutorials on Grayscale, as well as Color, Digital Painting: :)

Steven Stahlberg's 'Jealousy - Step by Step' Digital Painting Tutorial
http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html

TUTORIAL - Shading Techniques (Various Media) - by Rebeccak
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436

TUTORIAL - Digital Figure Painting - by Samanthie
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=274082&highlight=Samanthie
(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthr...light=Samanthie)
Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
12-16-2005, 05:01 AM
Ericyeo...
Some of the Old Masters fill in the space around the figure with a very deep purple,almost
black.Then they would take a color that's in the middle of the range of colors that have
been chosen for the skin... the color that's half way between the darkest dark, and the
lightest light...the mid tone color. This color was then used to fill in the entire figure..drawing..
The first, and the most important step, in this technique
This color becomes a unifying element, and unites all of the other colors, and is
the most important color of them all, for this technique. All of the other lighter and darker
colors are placed over, and blended into this midtone color...gives the painting, or figure
unity....also the dark purple background, when blended into the figure, in certain deep
shadow areas, lightens up, and creates a beautiful shadow.
This is just one technique among many however...The key to it all, is to train your eye
to see the the different shades of light and dark, wheather your painting in color,or
black and white halftone.
Hope this helps in some small way, with the color problem you siad you were haveing...:)

SpiritDreamer
12-16-2005, 05:10 AM
Deleted (Double post)

SpiritDreamer
12-16-2005, 05:13 AM
Triple post ;)

zhuzhu
12-16-2005, 06:30 AM
ink sketch:

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8518/6723yn.jpg

Rebeccak
12-16-2005, 07:02 AM
Great to see you back on the OFDWs, zhuzhu! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
12-16-2005, 08:46 AM
If you are new to digital painting, then I think that the best thing to do is to focus on doing a Value Study, using just 3 Values: White, Mid-Gray, and Black.


[...]the mid tone color. This color was then used to fill in the entire figure..drawing..
The first, and the most important step, in this technique
This color becomes a unifying element, and unites all of the other colors, and is
the most important color of them all, for this technique. All of the other lighter and darker
colors are placed over, and blended into this midtone color

ericyeo - this is what I did with my grayscale paintings on the last two OFDWs, too. It's actually been quite an eye-opener for me to concentrate on values only. Looking forward to your updates!:thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
12-16-2005, 10:36 AM
Zhuzhu
Nice one....I like the way the ink spread out to form the bottom of the calf muscle.
Hard technique to master, but it looks like you have....GREAT JOB...:thumbsup:
Glenn



Rebecca.... sorry about the triple post...could'nt figure out how to get rid of the extra
ones...:shrug:
Glenn

SaraD
12-16-2005, 11:07 AM
Update.
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_007.JPG

Zhuzhu - it takes a really talented artist so bring such expression in a painting with so little detail - I´m impressed.

ericyeo
12-16-2005, 03:37 PM
Rebeccak: ya.. when it comes to color. I tend to forget about values.. I cant seem to work out their relationship very well.

Spirit Dreamer: thanks for the tips. I'll definitely try it

Here is my next update. :O difficult.. I think i need some rest.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/step2.jpg

Rebeccak
12-16-2005, 04:09 PM
ericyeo,

I think you are doing a really decent job here ~ I can't look too closely at your image at the moment as I am at work ~ but I think that you are actually doing quite a good job with color so far. You will want to blend / smooth things down the line, but you will probably want to get stronger colors in first, and then subdue them ~ vs. being hesitant about color at first, and never putting the additional colors in.

Just so I can get a sense of where you are coming from, have you ever had color theory? I can try to post something about it later this weekend...let me know what you're interested in seeing. :)

If you are using Photoshop, try using the HSV (Hue, Saturation, Value) Sliders in the Color pallette. This will allow you to adjust individually the individual properties of Color.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
12-16-2005, 04:26 PM
ericyeo,

I think you are doing a really decent job here ~ I can't look too closely at your image at the moment as I am at work ~ but I think that you are actually doing quite a good job with color so far. You will want to blend / smooth things down the line, but you will probably want to get stronger colors in first, and then subdue them ~ vs. being hesitant about color at first, and never putting the additional colors in.

Just so I can get a sense of where you are coming from, have you ever had color theory? I can try to post something about it later this weekend...let me know what you're interested in seeing. :)

If you are using Photoshop, try using the HSV (Hue, Saturation, Value) Sliders in the Color pallette. This will allow you to adjust individually the individual properties of Color.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thanks Rebeccak for the encouraging words. yah I did read up little bit about color theory.

I know yellow complimentary color is violet. When u have yellow lighting u have slight bluish shadow.. Is that how we apply color theory?. haha.. I dont know whether I am right.. Dont really know much. I know colors theory are much complicated than that.. There is saturation, values, hue... how lighting affect an object etc

yah Rebeccak, I definitely interested to know more about color theory

In photoshop, I use RGB for different hue for colors and HSV too

SpiritDreamer
12-16-2005, 06:32 PM
Ericyeo...
Rebecca is right, in fact, your colors right now look very much like the underpainting of a
Perter Paul Rubens....I just dowloaded, and worked on your painting,..hope you don't mind.
I had a great feeling about your colors after looking at them this morning...a lot more there to
look at than last night. Anyway, with just a couple of colored tints...I use colored spot lights,
in painter, don't know if the program your useing has these. But like I was saying, with just a
couple of colored tints, I managed to get your painting to look just like a Rubens.
I will post it tonight, when Mrs Spirit Dreamer gets home. I hope you like the outcome of
this experiment, as much as I do. I only spent about a half hour on it, so I'm sure it can be
taken much further. I will explain how, and what colors I used, when it is posted...
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
12-16-2005, 11:45 PM
Hi Ericyeo
You said you were having problems with color, so I took your painting and applied one technique among many that may be useful to you now or in the future. These are just steps that mimic on the computer the techniques that some of the old masters used by applying oil on canvas and can be taken alot further with details and your own personal touch of course. Here's what I did.
#1 Your painting
#2 Turned it into a black and white half tone, then put light gold and light olive green colored spotlights on figure using Painter 8. Tints figures and creates shadows at the same time.
#3 I left your colors the way you have them and cast the same colored spotlights on figure as I did on black and white half tone version. Adjusted contrast etc and that's about it. Hope these help you in some small way. Like your style, color, brush strokes and draftsmanship.
Take care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben_step2.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben_step2-3.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben_step2-1.jpg

Vidar3d
12-17-2005, 12:48 AM
As I attempt to color this exercise I find it very humbling. Ergo, even more props and respect to Corvax, SaraD, Drawmonger, Spirit Dreamer and others who have a real command of color. Speaking of SaraD, why is it that the Swedish women seem to be especially good at digital painting? What with Sara and Linda continually posting such strong work. Must be that it is so cold? Nothing to do but stay inside and draw and ocassionally sit in a Sauna? Very curious.

Anyways, why oh why didn't I just stick with black and white!? Heh, well I have past the point of no return now I will post what I've done so far. What am I doing wrong here?

BTW, Zhu, I gotta say that ink wash is fantistic!

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/009c.jpg

Rebeccak
12-17-2005, 12:57 AM
Glenn,

Great paintover! I really like that a lot, and think it's quite effective. :thumbsup:

ericyeo and Vidar3d,

I may not be posting a lot tonight, but here is a great article / tutorial on Color which I think may prove useful to a lot of people. :) I will definitely try to address this topic soon ~ but in the meantime, take the time to read through this article if Color ~ it's really good, clear, and thorough:

http://www.worqx.com/color/color_basics.htm

From the article:

Chroma: How pure a hue is in relation to gray

Saturation: The degree of purity of a hue.

Intensity: The brightness or dullness of a hue. One may lower the intensity by adding white or black.

Luminance / Value: A measure of the amount of light reflected from a hue. Those hues with a high content of white have a higher luminance or value.

~

Shade and tint are terms that refer to a variation of a hue.

Shade: A hue produced by the addition of black.

Tint: A hue produced by the addition of white.

~

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
12-17-2005, 06:51 AM
Rebeccak - Thanks for the link to the great article.

Suprisingly, my main function at work is in CMYK and Hexachrome press profiling and generating icc and thcr profiles for all the various subrates we use in our printing process. So I spend all day immersed in wonderland of Delta E comparison charts and soft proofing. For me I don't think it as much not knowing what color to use as it is not having the courage to use it. I know that sounds funny, but I think I need to just learn to slap some paint on the canvas and be a little more bold. I am working on it here with this latest update. I think (tradionally) I end up painting weak intensities in terms of saturation and then wonder why it looks flat when I start to blend.

Let me know if you think this version is better or worse. BTW, you (and everyone else) can call me Rett. I hate Vidar3d but I guess I am stuck with it :) Thanks again for all of your help.
http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/009d.jpg

ericyeo
12-17-2005, 07:52 AM
Hi Ericyeo
You said you were having problems with color, so I took your painting and applied one technique among many that may be useful to you now or in the future. These are just steps that mimic on the computer the techniques that some of the old masters used by applying oil on canvas and can be taken alot further with details and your own personal touch of course. Here's what I did.
#1 Your painting
#2 Turned it into a black and white half tone, then put light gold and light olive green colored spotlights on figure using Painter 8. Tints figures and creates shadows at the same time.
#3 I left your colors the way you have them and cast the same colored spotlights on figure as I did on black and white half tone version. Adjusted contrast etc and that's about it. Hope these help you in some small way. Like your style, color, brush strokes and draftsmanship.
Take care
Glenn




:eek: Wow! Whole lot of difference after the lighting effect and lighting/contrast. The figure pops up from the picture. I cant recongise it's my pic at first glance . haha

SpiritDreamer
12-17-2005, 02:48 PM
Hi Rett

Looks like each of your figures is improving - Great.
You might want to make a version of this figure just to experiment with.
Color, brush strokes etc. A version that's just for fun. Sometimes you end up learning alot that way. Just cut loose its only paint - kind of version.
Did a real quick paintover of your figure last night using colored spotlight, tints, contrast etc.
Softened face a little. Hope it helps some, can't hurt. A good way to learn and teach I think. A picture is worth a thousand words kind of thing.
By the way is that Portland Oregon you are from? Just curious
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben_12_17.jpg

SpiritDreamer
12-17-2005, 02:49 PM
Hi Rebecca and everyone
Combining figures again. Want a painting when I'm done.
Chance to experiment with composition, color, harmony and unity etc.
Take care
Glenn
http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben-009-14.jpg

Mu
12-17-2005, 03:05 PM
Wow, Glenn!


that paintover-explanation was just another eye-opener from you!

thanks!

And thanks rebecca for that link on color theory - I was just going to ask you something about it as I am growing curious about color. It will be the next logical step for me some time in the future from greyscale to color.

Rebeccak
12-17-2005, 03:20 PM
Glenn,

Great paintovers! :thumbsup:

lil_fairy was asking some questions about Blending in Painter, and I was wondering if you could help out:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2918468#post2918468

See Post #177.

This is in the Beginner's Lounge. Your advice would be quite valuable! :) :thumbsup:

Mr. Mu,

No problem! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
12-17-2005, 03:31 PM
Zhu! Great drawing!

Loving everyone's work so far!

here's a quick start...trying a different approach that might help me to get a richer feel to the skin tones. Basically just a value sketch with a very large hard brush with a low opacity setting.
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/009-3-2b.jpg

Rebeccak
12-17-2005, 03:33 PM
drawMonger,

I like how you are experimenting in a number of different ways ~ can't wait to see how this one turns out! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-17-2005, 06:20 PM
ericyeo,

Sometimes, with respect to color, it helps to break the Reference image in a number of different ways: by desaturating the image, adding a filter to the image so that you can see the color more simply, etc. Here are a few examples of what I mean:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/ericyeo_rev-2.jpg

I think the main thing to be aware of with respect to the colors in your piece is COLOR TEMPERATURE. Colors can be either warm or cool, and while the colors in the Reference image are mostly warm, I think the colors in your image are mostly cool. This is a big thing to consider with respect to color.

Also, think of color in the body in terms of ZONES. Note how in the Reference photo, the legs and arms are warmer / darker. Darker areas of the body indicate more blood circulation at the surface of those areas. The head, arms, and legs will naturally be darker.
Notice how the torso is more pink than red / brown. This is a good rule to remember when painting people.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
12-17-2005, 07:22 PM
you know, this must be some special psychic thing going on with you...

whenever I think "Hell, this is bugging me so much I gotta ask her about it" you come up with a detailed explanation and a bounty of information on exactly the things I had in mind.

This thread is teaching me tons and I haven't even started a sketch:scream:

zhuzhu
12-18-2005, 04:15 AM
thanks all~~~!

another figure sketch,Chinese ink on paper:


http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7012/6730ju.jpg

ericyeo
12-18-2005, 06:34 AM
spirit dreamer : After apply the spot light effect, it tend to lose its true colors? But the effect looks really great, i must agreed that.

Rebeccak: Thanks for the explaination and tips. I'll apply some of the tips on the next update

COLOR TEMPERATURE? Could adjusting of brightness and contrast solve the problem?

I adjusted the brightness and contrast. I cant seem to get the torso look right..
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/step3.jpg

Rebeccak
12-18-2005, 06:51 AM
ericyeo,

I've found some more links to information about color ~ I've tried to order them from most > least important.

Color temperature is a simple concept. Warm colors are warm. Cool colors are cool. Any hue can be either warm or cool.

Check out these links: :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/ArtSchool/Color/ColorTheory/index.html

http://thepolyparrot.com/colors.html

http://www.utdallas.edu/~mel024000/pages/color.html (http://www.utdallas.edu/%7Emel024000/pages/color.html)

http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/color12.html#warmcool

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

YeeWu
12-18-2005, 06:55 AM
ericyeo: I'd hazard to take a guess at the whole color temperature thing. Color temperature usually refers to using "cool" and "warm" variations of the same color. Adjusting the brightness/contrast will change your "values," but will not affect the actual color. I guess you could boil it down into this:
I hope this explains it a little better:

http://www.effloresce.com/stuff/color_temp.gif

"Cool" colors are those colors that are more on the blue-ish side, making them colder, and "warm" colors as those that have more reds, which, for lack of a better description, "warms up" the color.

YeeWu
12-18-2005, 06:56 AM
Man, Rebecca, you sure are fast! :P Looks like I made a useless post!

Rebeccak
12-18-2005, 06:58 AM
Hehe, not useless at all. ;)

Hmm...anything interesting going on these days? :rolleyes: ;) :D

Cheers,

~Rk

jowens
12-18-2005, 07:21 AM
Hi Everyone!

I just came across this thread yesterday, what a great idea! Rebecca, thank you so much for putting this together. I was really hoping to take a figure drawing class next semester, but my schedule just didn't allow it, but now I have this resource!

Here's my first attempt, I used charcoal on toned green paper. This was the first time I've actually worked on charcoal paper and wow, what a difference...the charcoal really takes to the page.

Initially this was going to be a full body shot, but I started the back too large, so it became a cropped version. I can see right away that I have some serious proportional issues, especially in the back...I made it way too small.

I'll try another tomorrow.

-J

SaraD
12-18-2005, 01:43 PM
Hi all.
Following the discussion about warm and cold colors, I thought I´d try a totally cold and unrealistic colorscheme. He looks like he´s carved in stone :)
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009c_001.jpg

erilaz
12-18-2005, 01:52 PM
Damn you're good at those subtle values Sara!

drawMonger
12-18-2005, 01:55 PM
Hi SaraD, your piece has an out-of-this-world look about it...for my 2cents i think it would look great with a dull sandstone colour in the background (rgb = 188, 183, 157 for example)...in any case it'll be good to see the hand and face completed :)

Rebeccak
12-18-2005, 03:30 PM
SaraD,

This looks fantastic! I agree with drawMonger that some complementary color in the background would really set this off...I love the ethereal look to this piece, it will be really *cool* to see the outcome! :D

(Sorry for the corniness, heh...) :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-19-2005, 02:38 AM
jowens,

My apologies, I think I missed your earlier post! Welcome aboard, and I'm happy that this will fit into your schedule! :)

First, it would be nice to know something about your background and training. Do you work mainly traditionally, or at all digitally? It doesn't really matter to me either way, just trying to figure out what you might most be interested in. :)

Also, I would recommend trying to get the whole figure onto the page. You can try creating an envelope before beginning on details, which is essentially drawing a shape that approximates the shape of the figure at all of it's outer points.

Looking forward to seeing what more you might do in this Workshop! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

jowens
12-19-2005, 05:49 AM
No worries :)

I'm interested in both traditional and digital techniques. I first got started in 3d as my creative outlet, mainly because I felt I had no hand drawing skills! I developed that for a few years and eventually got myself a tablet and started experimenting in Photoshop. I found that I had learned a lot about light and shadow from my 3d work and that my 2d skills had improved. Excited at this revelation, I enrolled in a beginning drawing and composition class (which I just finished up last week).

Thanks for the envelope tip, I'll give that a try.

Cheers,

-J

jowens
12-19-2005, 06:00 AM
ericyeo,

Wow! That's looking really good. You've got some nice subtle shadows that really make the piece, like the area behind his left knee.

The shadow on his butt seems a bit harsh though...in that it makes it appear that he has a "bubble butt". Also the muscle shadow on his right calf seems a bit strong...it ends up looking very flexed, rather than relaxed. Those were the elements that stood out to me.

zhuzhu,

That's really nice, looks like you have a good handle on working with ink. I really love that style and so far haven't had any luck with it, practice practice practice!

Do you plan on developing this any further? I'd really be curious to see what you might do with it.

SaraD,

I really like the tone of your shadows. I often find myself making shadows black when it's not appropriate.

I like your color scheme too, though I'm less sure about the redder areas. Those seem to make his skin look a bit splotchy. I wouldn't call that unrealistic lighting either, it looks like he's bathed in moonlight. Very nice!

Rebeccak
12-19-2005, 06:06 AM
jowens,

Good to hear your reply, do you plan to do another traditional piece for this Workshop, or perhaps a new digital piece? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
12-19-2005, 06:27 AM
Ok, I think I have put about all of the effort I am going to on this one.

The three things that helped me the most on this one"

1: When Rebecca said, "value is more important that color"

2: SaraD's "statue look" proving that "value is more important than color"

3: Glen's various paintovers showing how much further I needed to push the warmth of the color. BTW, yes Glen I am in Portland, Oregon.

Thanks for all the help guys. I know I still have a long way to go but I consider this a big step for me.
http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/009-final.jpg

Rebeccak
12-19-2005, 06:42 AM
Vidar3d,

Thanks for your great participation in these Workshops! I really hope that you will be back for OFDW 10. :) I think you have improved tremendously over the course of these past few weeks, and I look forward to seeing how far you can push your pieces. Given the strides and big steps you have taken already, I think that with patience you will come to produce some really beautiful, completed pieces! :thumbsup:

Also hope you will be stopping in to comment on everyones' work. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SaraD
12-19-2005, 12:15 PM
OR - at least bored with it :)

Jowens - you´re right about the reddish. Did this on my old screen, and the colors are a bit odd there. So, I didn´t see the color as we see it here now. And then it was too late :) Well, well - you learn as long as you live...
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009c_003.JPG

Corvax
12-19-2005, 12:41 PM
Started yet another painting, some day hopefully I'll be able to actually finish one *heh*. :D

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting01.jpg

~David René.

Lemog
12-19-2005, 12:43 PM
Hejsan Sara... hey... very good... this double contrast... between 2 tones and between 2 styles...
and the model seem very near of photorealism... and so far in the same time.

Very good inspiration :thumbsup:

drawMonger
12-19-2005, 02:42 PM
Still a long way to go...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/009-3-3.jpg

SaraD! Your piece screams individuality...love it :thumbsup:

Corvax, the upper torso and right knee look fantastic :thumbsup:

Zhu, another wonderfully spontaneous drawing :applause: I'm curious as to the size of the page?

SpiritDreamer
12-19-2005, 08:33 PM
SaraD....Throw that man a blanket, he looks like he's freezing to death....:eek:
Great color for that pose....:thumbsup:

Corvax ...Nice job on those legs... are you going to finish it, would look good in your thread..:)

DrawMonger... I see you produced another great face. Have you ever done portraiture,
Seems like you have the nak for it. I also like the way your handleing that technique
your trying out...nice...:thumbsup:


Rebecca...That little tutorial I put in the Beginers Lounge section for Lil Fairy, and
everyone really, is just a little part of the payback for putting together, and doing such a great job on my anatomy thread....THANKS AGAIN...:)

Take Care ...Everyone...
Glenn

Rebeccak
12-19-2005, 08:54 PM
Thanks, Spirit Dreamer. :) You are most certainly welcome, and deserving! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
12-19-2005, 09:17 PM
drawMonger: thanks mate your not doing to bad on that face you have there.. its funny I'm pretty good whit legs, but cant paint faces at all.. guess were all different that way :).

Spirit Dreamer: yeah I think this one is gonna be finished, I'm saving the juicy bits (hands, feet and head) for last, so hopefully I wont find it unbearably boring to paint on before I'm able to take it to a decent level :D .

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting02.jpg

~David René.

SpiritDreamer
12-20-2005, 03:02 AM
Hi
Corvax
... Your not alone in that feeling about doing faces... They've always been really hard
for me.... getting a likeness is the hardest part for me, seemes like every time one turns
out good, I mostly chalk it up to luck.....I put a couple of pages from a book I got out
of the library a couple of weeks ago...posted them on the #8 figure thread. Book is
called Getting a Likeness, the authors name is with those pages..Get the book if you can,
it's a great little book. The last couple of faces i've done, started looking like the face of
the model,...more than luck I think, on these last two faces, due to that book, I think,
and also with some help fom DrawMonger alonge the way. Don't get discoraged...
faces are just another hill to overcome....and by the looks of your work as of lately
i'm sure you'll master them in no time, just like your mastering the rest of the body...:thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn

Lemog
12-20-2005, 05:56 AM
Corvax -> Agree with Glen, your body is very beautiful... I'm sure you can obtain with more work a better face... maybe your resolution is too small for this kind of detailing... I have now less prob than before since I work on very large resolution, especially for faces...

Lemog
12-20-2005, 06:06 AM
Something little different now... I re-start with the previous picture made for the sketchathon... and play and paint with it with my feeling more than in reference to the model... just to see where I go...

http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/ben_long_480.jpg


And the final choice... more for eyes than for anatomy :shrug:


http://lemog.free.fr/lemog_v5/albums/lemog/2d/ben_800.jpg

MechaHateChimp
12-20-2005, 07:41 AM
http://killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-009_sketch-03.jpg

Ive been a little busy working on a new project but I took the time to work a little more on this. Hopefull I'll have some time over the weekend to do a little more - J

Rebeccak
12-20-2005, 12:15 PM
SaraD,

I really liked the close cropping, and previous version with the blue bkgrd as it was really beautifully resolved. :)

Corvax,

Looking great! Can't wait to see the resolution of 'the juicy bits'. :)

Lolo,

Nice to see your experimentation, and I really like the textured, Blue Rider (German Expressionist) feel to that last piece! :)

Mecha,

Great stuff, I hope you have more time to work on this! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
12-20-2005, 12:19 PM
thanks spirit dreamer and Lemog, yeah i'm sure its just a matter of practise:arteest: .

okay I'm gonna call this one done, not because I think its good but I'm getting tired of working on it..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting03.jpg

drawMonger
12-20-2005, 12:36 PM
DrawMonger... I see you produced another great face. Have you ever done portraiture, Seems like you have the nak for it. I also like the way your handleing that technique your trying out...nice...:thumbsup:

Thanks Glenn, Other than these workshop's i don't have any expereience with portraiture, but it is an area that i'd like to do a lot more work in, eventually in natural media too.

The thing i find helpful when drawing the face is to spend a lot of time on anlges and the relative positions of the features of the face. It's amazing how the angle of the nose can change the whole look of the face for example, so too the shape and size of the temples, forehead and chin. Nothing new in this approach, in fact i remember reading someting about this in the pages from that book you posted previously.

Corvax...WOW!...great work on the face!! but don't leave out the penis! It would complete the picture.

Great work Lemog!

Lemog
12-20-2005, 12:41 PM
Corvax -> great progress on his face mate... really good :thumbsup:


Mecha Hate Chimp -> Always really appreciate this style of brush... :bowdown:


drawMonger -> Thanks :beer:

Corvax
12-20-2005, 01:23 PM
Corvax...WOW!...great work on the face!! but don't leave out the penis! It would complete the picture.That in fact was a bit of a dilemma for me, for some reason men's privets and nipples on women are things that people tend to react quite strongly to. I remember showing people images of my process and as soon as there was a penis or a nipple they stopped seeing it as a nude and started seeing it as "naked"... I don't really mind any of the two, but some people seem to dislike their presence.

I might come back in and paint it in but I really need a brake from this pose right now.

happy painting ~David René.

SpiritDreamer
12-20-2005, 01:30 PM
Lemog.... Powerful Emotion captured in last one...:thumbsup:

Mecha Hate Chimp...Stronge piece...great draftsmanship....:)

Corvax... WOW !!!.... GREAT eyes there,...really show emotion, they carry the whole
figure to a higher level....:arteest:
About the penis....I run into the same problem with the general public myself, not so much
with nipples on a woman though...double standard there I think. I solved that problem on
this pose, by moveing his knee over just a hair... throws that part that bothers some people
back, and out of sight, and mind of viewer .....better than leaveing a blank, which draws
more attention to itself, I think...don't be a slave to the photo, make changes where you
think them to be in order...just a friendly sugestion.for future poses.
Great job on this figure and face by the way....:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

drawMonger
12-20-2005, 02:06 PM
David, I know where you are comming from...but if we, as artists at all levels, can't be true to the piece in a figurative anatomy workshop then aren't we missing something?

Here's a quote from my favourite book, The Art Spirit by Robert Henri written in 1923:

"There is nothing in all the world more beautiful or significant of the laws of the universe than the nude human body. In fact it is not only among the artists but among all people that a greater appreciation and respect for the human body should develop. When we respect the nude we will no longer have any shame about it."

Now, i'm not writing this because i think you, or anyone here, is ashamed or has any other issue with the human body...but Henri speaks the truth :) and it is perhaps something that we can quote to people who are confronted by the nude in its full glory.

That's my 2 cents on the matter...and a further 50c to say that i hope you do finish your wonderful piece and then show it everyone you know ;)

zhuzhu
12-20-2005, 04:03 PM
jowens: thanks~! ink sketch has so much fun, something you can't presuppose,very exciting.like watercolor,ink is also hard media to cortrol,and it will dry vrey fast,so,i should drawing and blending color more quickly.i think i will do more ink sketch later,thanks again.


drawMonger: thank you,i used A4 size sketchbook for those ink sketch,and used NO.8 watercolor brush or some mid size Chinese brush for drawing.

drawMonger
12-20-2005, 04:18 PM
scaled up the head a little and did some work on the upper torso, arms and hand
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/009-3-4.jpg
Happy Birthday Zhu! and fantastic work on the drawing you just posted to 008 :thumbsup: thanks for the info too :)

SpiritDreamer
12-20-2005, 06:15 PM
DrawMonger.....This is turning out.... GREAT.... looks real...:thumbsup:
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
12-21-2005, 12:13 AM
Just having some fun composing with light and shadow.
Using other peoples figures that I painted over in these forums.
Just for fun.
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/composite_10.jpg

justmeina
12-21-2005, 06:15 AM
David, I know where you are comming from...but if we, as artists at all levels, can't be true to the piece in a figurative anatomy workshop then aren't we missing something?

Here's a quote from my favourite book, The Art Spirit by Robert Henri written in 1923:

"There is nothing in all the world more beautiful or significant of the laws of the universe than the nude human body. In fact it is not only among the artists but among all people that a greater appreciation and respect for the human body should develop. When we respect the nude we will no longer have any shame about it."

Now, i'm not writing this because i think you, or anyone here, is ashamed or has any other issue with the human body...but Henri speaks the truth :) and it is perhaps something that we can quote to people who are confronted by the nude in its full glory.

That's my 2 cents on the matter...and a further 50c to say that i hope you do finish your wonderful piece and then show it everyone you know ;)I was going to chime in on this too, hoping not to be misunderstood or sound too biased or weird, but I think you've said it better than I could, drawMonger (not that it's apparently going to completely stop me from adding some comment here anyway, LOL!).....so.... I also think hiding or excluding certain body parts may in the end be a bit self-defeating. By responding to the discomfort of some by hiding certain parts of human anatomy we further sensitize people to it, helping to heighten their discomfort even more. The issue gets progressively worse, never better. Surely there's little real secret what men or women actually look like. We basically come in two kinds, and surely nearly all of us have seen both by now. The whole issue is really pretty silly from a more objective standpoint, isn't it? The artistic depiction of the body is such a noble and worthy cause. However it may seem, I certainly don't consider myself any exhibitionist, not by a very long stretch, but I too would like to see the piece finished and shown to everyone with the sincere hope and belief that even if it results in some temporary discomfort for some, that good will ultimately result. I believe in the end it's of benefit to mankind and a positive impact on the world in which we all live (and just for clarity, I most certainly do NOT feel the same way about "porn"/intentionally sexualized/suggestive/intentionally lust-inducing material).


On a different note, and while I've been watching, but haven't chimed in a for a while, I'd like to say how much I continue to enjoy seeing all of these works. You all amaze and impress me, and I'm humbled and pleased that you have allowed me to be a part of this. Thanks very much.

ericyeo
12-21-2005, 07:54 AM
jowens: Thanks jowens, I took some of ur comments. I have softened the edges and shadow.
drawMonger: awesome! I like the face. It looks so real.. :eek:
Lemog: Lovely style! Look very stylish.
Chimp: He looks a little creepy to me. I love ur brush stroke
Corvax: very well done. The face especially will done. :thumbsup: Perhaps u wants to add a little more shadow to his right forearm?
spiritdreamer: That's cool :)

I'm busy with my work these few days.. I think i can only finish it by next week
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/step4.jpg

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 08:08 AM
ericyeo,

Wow, lots of great progress! :thumbsup: Were the color links useful? It looks like you're using color with more confidence now. :) Looking forward to seeing how this turns out! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
12-21-2005, 08:24 AM
:thumbsup:
Corvax and Drawmonger - those face of yours are brilliant! You nailed them!

Ericyeo - nice progress! Someone´s been studying colortheory ;)

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 08:31 AM
Gah, I forgot to mention ~ Corvax, awesome job! :thumbsup: The face has really come together. :)

ericyeo,

It's a judgement call, but do the facial features seem too small perhaps for the rest of the body? I'm only asking. :) What do you think?

Cheers :)

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
12-21-2005, 08:40 AM
SaraD: Thank u. U ur artwork rock :scream:

Rebeccak: It certainly helps. :D Still got lots to experiment and play with. It helps me to understand color characteristic better.
Can I post questions in here? or is there a thread for color theory which I can post?

facial features seem too small? I'll make the correction. Many thanks :D

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 08:43 AM
ericyeo,

The color theory thread idea is a good one...though I think there are other Color Theory threads, there is not one specifically for painting people ~ I had a Color Theory thread a long time ago, and it got deleted because another mod thought it was a topic already covered in other forums. It does, however, make sense to have a thread dedicated to Color Theory as it relates to painting people ~ not a Workshop, but more just a place for people to post links / interact, etc. I'll set it up now. Don't post to it until I've reserved a few spaces for links / demos / etc. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 08:50 AM
ericyeo,

I'm setting up the Color Theory thread here:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2926341#post2926341

Would you mind if I posted the grayscale breakdown that I did of your piece there? I won't if you'd rather I didn't. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
12-21-2005, 08:50 AM
I know another forum that has a thread for color theory and mixing if you don´t want to open one up here.

SaraD
12-21-2005, 09:02 AM
You´re fast Rebbecak! :)
Great idea with the thread!

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 09:02 AM
SaraD,

I'm happy to provide a link to that forum as well. :) The Color Theory thread here will be good to have so I can just point people in that direction ~ this is a major topic for artists, of course, and I should probably have tried to keep the original thread...but oh well. :)

At any rate, it's linked here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2926341#post2926341), feel free to take a look, and to post the link to that forum. :) I'll update the first few posts periodically, so folks can find stuff. Thanks! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
12-21-2005, 09:07 AM
Would you mind if I posted the grayscale breakdown that I did of your piece there? I won't if you'd rather I didn't. :)

Rebeccak: Yah Rebeccak. go ahead :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 09:08 AM
Thanks! :)

SaraD
12-21-2005, 09:54 AM
I haven´t given up on this fellow yet ;)
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_008.JPG

Corvax
12-21-2005, 02:19 PM
oh well ... added the missing bits ;) some areas were looking a little flat so I tried to correct them as well.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting04.jpg
~David René

justmeina
12-21-2005, 05:54 PM
Nice work, David :bowdown:, and I somehow feel more "complete" now :).

SaraD
12-21-2005, 06:33 PM
David - brilliant :bowdown:
Your colors are as usual close to perfection. Can one ask for some closeups?

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 06:47 PM
AAAAaaa!! I can't see David's beautiful image til later...:D...someone call the law! :D

Mu
12-21-2005, 07:13 PM
first of all: this has been a very inspiring read over the weeks and all of you did so wonderful interpretations of these impressive poses. Ben, I really appreciate your generosity in providing these great refs for our benefit!

I am late as always and I could fill pages with the things that went through my head while reading/watching this and considering my participation. It's not that I did not want to - I felt that I wanted to submit good work and had so little time on my hands over the last days (it was as if the whole week was jinxed)

Anyway.

I figured I'd try something different. As the works of shyamshriram, thomasPhoenix and ruffstuff in the sketchathon impressed me very much I wanted to pay attention to what I call drawing again. I hope you don't consider this a regression and much less carelessness on my part. It felt very much like learning a lot again for me.

2/5/15

I will develop the last one further.

Thanks for all of your inspiring work and sorry for an hour's worth of reading:D

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/9321/2minstudy4kr.jpg

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/9118/5minstudy5uq.jpg

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/9839/15minstudy2pz.jpg

Corvax
12-21-2005, 07:16 PM
Nice work, David :bowdown:, and I somehow feel more "complete" now :).

yep its definitely better, it became pretty clear that leaving parts out was the only route one cannot take :)

as requested
Closeups:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting04cl.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting03cl.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting02cl.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW-009_Ben_01painting01cl.jpg

~David René.

Rebeccak
12-22-2005, 02:59 AM
SaraD,

The ease with which you paint is really amazing. :) Glad you're continuing to work on this piece! :thumbsup:

David,

Really cool piece, and it's great to see the closeups! :) Are you intentionally working in a bit of a looser style? Just out of curiosity. :)

His left flank seems to be nearly the same value as the background ~ you may want to try introducing a bit of reflected light along his side and / or a bit of a shadow behind him, in order to differentiate the figure from the space behind. Just a suggestion. :)

Mr. Mu,

Doing a drawing is absolutely not a regression! :) I find the work of Siju and shyam really refreshing in that they are using traditional media ~ and I think you are getting some really good control here, which is really essential for ultimately painting the figure. There is an old artists' mantra that Drawing IS Painting, and all good traditional art schools teach their students Drawing BEFORE Painting. I would love to see you do more Drawings! Ultimately, I think it makes Digital Painting easier. The tools won't do the work for anyone ~ the knowledge and experience must be there. :) You're doing a great job ~ trust your instincts, and take risks.

My take on things is that someone could throw colored water on a good drawing, and you'd have a painting. But without the underlying drawing, the color would just be a stain on the wall.

Today is metaphor week, bet you didn't know. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-22-2005, 06:22 AM
Very good work Corvax :thumbsup: and splendid close-up... :)

Mu
12-22-2005, 08:30 AM
My take on things is that someone could throw colored water on a good drawing, and you'd have a painting.


yea, and we all know zhu that someone is.:scream:


..and excellent paintings I might add.

SaraD
12-22-2005, 10:47 AM
Thanks for the closeups David!

Here´s my version of Ben. There´s still bits and pieces to correct and refine, but I think he´ll have to rest for a while now :)
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_009.JPG

ericyeo
12-22-2005, 02:51 PM
SaraD: His face look too young and penis a little small? The rest of the part are awesome. :thumbsup:

Rebeccak: Sorry. I'll post my questions this weekend. The thread dont seem to be a hot topic. But those links are really useful, I started seeing colors, after reading.. Weird. :) I went on further color correction on my piece. :D

Corvax: Well done! very nicely done. :applause:

I think I went little overboard. I'll fix some of the detail and smooth the brushstrokes tml :shrug:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/step5.jpg

justmeina
12-22-2005, 03:37 PM
SaraD: His face look too young And this is a bad thing? :) :D
and penis a little small?No comment :eek: :rolleyes:
The rest of the part are awesome. I definitely agree :thumbsup:

I think you've done very fine work, also, ericyeo. I'll have to admit that particular pose reminds me of just how difficult it was for me to do and hold that position, even long enough for the camera to click (probably nobody else would have that perspective would they....).

I really appreciate seeing all of the work and talent of everyone and what they have and/or are creating here. Obviously I'm biased (and won't even try to deny that), but I am greatly impressed!

Good work everyone! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
12-22-2005, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by ericyeo: Rebeccak: Sorry. I'll post my questions this weekend. The thread dont seem to be a hot topic. But those links are really useful, I started seeing colors, after reading.. Weird. :) I went on further color correction on my piece. :D
No worries, take your time. :)

Looking forward to seeing your and SaraD's work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-22-2005, 03:56 PM
Guys,

I talked to my friend Hong Ly, and he is making arrangements with a former professor of ours to use his studio space and model setups to do some costumed poses. Hopefully that will be happening soon, though I don't know exactly when. :)

In the meantime, check out Hong's beautifully updated site:

http://www.characterdesigns.com/


Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
12-23-2005, 06:30 AM
Hi All, here's my finished piece (i think)
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/009-3-6.jpg
Corvax, SaraD, ericyeo fantastic work!

Thanks again Ben for the great poses. I really enjoyed rendering the torso in this one...painting the muscles was a real challenge and great learning experience!

justmeina
12-23-2005, 06:44 AM
Wow, drawMonger. That is amazingly precise. I am in awe. Definitely my privilege and pleasure to have played a small part. Thanks very much for the opportunity.

Rebeccak
12-23-2005, 06:49 AM
drawMonger,

WOW, really beautiful work! :thumbsup: I really love the matte feel to this piece, and the muted colors.

Minor crits would be that the feet seem a bit small, and the lower legs just a bit wooden. But I kind of think it's adding something to the style of the piece ~ very angular, and well~planned and coordinated. :)

Great work! :bounce:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
12-23-2005, 07:50 AM
drawMonger: perfection :eek: :thumbsup::scream:

drawMonger
12-23-2005, 08:29 AM
Thanks folks :)

Rebecca, I will do some more work on the legs and feet. Cheers!

SpiritDreamer
12-23-2005, 09:51 AM
Hey....DrawMonger...:thumbsup: .....:thumbsup: ....:thumbsup: .....:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

Ego
12-23-2005, 12:31 PM
woah! Drawmonger , I love that piece! :thumbsup:

drawMonger
12-23-2005, 04:20 PM
Thanks Queenie and Glenn! It's good to have a win ;)

Here's a WIP ani :wip: (http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/009-wip.gif)

Merry Christmas all :p

SaraD
12-23-2005, 05:01 PM
OK, I tried to age him some years (Sorry Ben :)) and enlarged the penis a bit. Is this one better?
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/009a_009older.JPG

justmeina
12-23-2005, 05:29 PM
Goodness, Sara, no need to be sorry. I really adore both of the works you have done as part of this OFDW. To me they have an emotional component and quality that really captivates me and moves me. I think for me, oftentimes it's this "emotional component" that more than anything defines "art". Mere "technical accuracy" can be done, and is somewhat inherently done, with a camera, and may or may not be "art" in my mind. I guess I'll have to study this version more closely and maybe compare it, but you have done fabulous work on this OFDW in my honest, humble, and sincere (yet admittedly biased, how can it not be?) opinion.

Vidar3d
12-23-2005, 08:23 PM
Sara- Fantastic job! I know you made comments on how much you struggled on this one (you made it look easy however) but surely a finished piece like this is worth the struggle.

Drawmonger- You made it almost look like a non digital piece in my opinion. Very subdued and very cool. Not bad...for an Aussie...not bad. :)

RebeccaK- Some costumed models would be fantastic! And a whole new set of challenges. Not that nudes aren't challenging enough but I am starting to get bizarre looks from my wife :)

ericyeo- I love the tension in his left foot as he fight to retain the pose. And Ben's description of the moments before the photo proves you really nailed the gesture.

Happy Holidays everyone I am really learning a lot from all of you!

EAD
12-24-2005, 01:26 AM
:)Nice work everyone. Thought I'd better post something here as I said I'd take part. Havent had much time to get involved. but heres a brief effort> pencil then photoshop. It will probably remain unfinished but.. as they say here in yorkshire.. its better than nowt..

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1971/beneffort17gx.jpg

a merry christmas/joyeux noel/happy holidays etc, etc to all:thumbsup::thumbsup:

ericyeo
12-24-2005, 03:27 AM
justmeina: I love this pose when I first saw it. I'm glad u like it. Thanks for the pose too
SaraD: Definitely looking better
Vidar3d: Thank u :D

Finished?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/step6.jpg
Wishing everyone Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

SpiritDreamer
12-24-2005, 01:21 PM
Ericyeo...Strong piece...can really feel the muscles tension, while they are at work..:thumbsup:

You might want to make his hands a little bigger, and more muscular to add to his strength,
and to be in better proportion with the rest of his body. Just a small detail, that can make
all the differance in the world, when depicting strength in the male figure.

Take Care..and MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you also......:)
Glenn

ericyeo
12-24-2005, 01:51 PM
more muscular to add to his strength.

I'll fix the amendment. Thank you :scream: But where is the strength, u are referring to? :)

Rebeccak
12-24-2005, 03:20 PM
ericyeo,

Beautiful piece!!! :thumbsup: Considering how unsure you were about color in the beginning, I think you have done a terrific job!!! :)

The one small thing I would say is that his left hand looks just a little bit too small. But other than that I think your painting is just beautiful, and you should be congratulated! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
12-24-2005, 03:49 PM
Hi....Ericyeo...

The strength is in the hands...look at Michelangelo's David ect.
I had the same problem with my painting of Zhuzhu, I made his hands bigger, and it
gave him strength. Hands that are a little to big, are a lot better than hands that are
a little too small, when doing the male figure. It's common practice when depicting a
male figure that you wish to look strong. and has been for ages. Just trying to be helpful.
But in the end, it's your painting, and your call...:)
Glenn

Rebeccak
12-24-2005, 04:07 PM
ericyeo,

There are just a few areas which I think might be refined just a little, which might improve your already beautiful image: :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/ericyeo_rev-3A.jpg

Hope this is useful, and these are only suggestions. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

ericyeo
12-24-2005, 05:04 PM
Rebeccak: Thank you.:) I have done the correction. Is it better?
Spirit Dreamer:Sorry, I didnt read ur sentence properly. I thought there is some other correction, other than his hand.

I had sized his hand and added some vein (to add some strength) Trimmed his neck and soften the shadow :bounce:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/step7.jpg

Rebeccak
12-24-2005, 05:41 PM
ericyeo,

You're welcome! :) Great to see your update! :) The areas you corrected ~ the hand, the buttocks area, and the neck are definitely better. :thumbsup: A few more minor suggestions:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20009/ericyeo_rev-3B.jpg

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
12-24-2005, 06:33 PM
Hi Ericyeo
No need to be sorry,..:) I thought, and think your painting was great at the start, and is
even greater now.
I painted over your figure, and showed, and told you about that lighting technique, because
I saw the strength of Rubens in your drawing and color, and thought that all it lacked was
the dramatic lighting to go with it.
I thought that even if you couldn't use it in this painting, it might come in handy down the
road...you never know.. I'M just trying to point out to you what I know, and have picked up
along the way, in hopes that it helps your paintings get even better than they already are.
Anyway, I like the changes you've made, looks better...but what' that bright spot below
his neck LOL...JUST KIDDING..:eek:
Hey...Have a ..SAFE AND HAPPY CHRISTMAS, AND NEW YEAR....Ericyeo
Can't wait to see your next painting..:thumbsup:
Glenn

Rebeccak
12-24-2005, 07:16 PM
AOAH,

Missed your earlier post ~ glad to see you back. :) You ever gonna finish one of these? :rolleyes: :D

Just kidding ~ Happy Holidays to ye folk in blustery England. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

MechaHateChimp
12-24-2005, 08:13 PM
http://killingcaterpillars.com/temp/images/illustrations/ofdw/ofdw-009_sketch-04.jpg



I'm not sure if I'll add anymore to this. I kinda like the way it looks unfinished. I think thats also my excuse to give myself some time to clear a few side projects off my plate.

Looking forward to the next OFDW :)

drawMonger
12-25-2005, 12:33 AM
ericyeo :applause:

Mecha Hate Chimp, I love the style!

ericyeo
12-25-2005, 10:10 AM
Glenn: I'll study some of Rubens painting. I definitely had learnt something new, i never know that the lighting filter could be so useful. :thumbsup:
drawMonger: Thank you.
Rebeccak: A big thank to you :D

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/ericyeo/step8.jpg
Merry Christmas!! :bounce:

SpiritDreamer
12-25-2005, 03:00 PM
Ericyeo...:thumbsup: ...:)

Mecha Hate Chimp...Strong PIECE...sometimes less is more...:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

Lemog
12-26-2005, 04:59 AM
I'm not sure if I'll add anymore to this. I kinda like the way it looks unfinished. I think thats also my excuse to give myself some time to clear a few side projects off my plate.

Looking forward to the next OFDW :)
for me.. it's perfect... a real style... no need more :thumbsup:

MechaHateChimp
12-26-2005, 12:54 PM
SP & Lemog,

Thanks for the kind words :). There are a few things wrong with the poor guy... his calves should be a bit longer and I think I painted his feet too close together. I might fix that later down the line but Im at a place now where I just want to draw/paint and move on. I try to learn what mistakes I made and keep going because my tendencies to obsess over details can keep me from finishing anything at times.

This place is definitely great practice though... I havent painted a full figure in ages so Im definitely seeing just how rusty I really am. I gotta admit though, I really did enjoy this immensely and look forward to the next one.

Rebeccak
12-26-2005, 01:46 PM
Hey guys, :)

You will probably be seeing OFDW 10 opening late tonight due to the holidays. :) I'm not currently at home, but will be able to post OFDW 10 later today / tonight. Hope to see all of you guys and girls on board for the next one!!! Everyone is doing such superb work and is improving so much, it is really inspiring. :) Hard to believe there have been 9 of these already! :thumbsup:

Looking forward to OFDW 10 as well! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-26-2005, 01:52 PM
Yeah... "9"... you must be proud Beckie... :thumbsup: I waiting impatiently the next one... "10" is certainly a good number... next topic ? Lemog in natural life ? :scream: hahahaha...

Rebeccak
12-26-2005, 01:54 PM
Lemog in natural life? :scream: Only if I get the pictures! :scream: :bounce:

Lemog
12-26-2005, 02:05 PM
Lemog in natural life? :scream: Only if I get the pictures! :scream: :bounce:
I didn't talk about an horror show :D mohahahaha

Icey
12-26-2005, 03:30 PM
many wonderful pieces here!
and.. rebeccak - your comments are great!
i think that if i post, you'll get a large page of them... - but i'd love you to!! - i'll probably post soon - just to scan some of my work...

Rebeccak
12-26-2005, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Lolo: I didn't talk about an horror show :D mohahahaha
Looking forward to seeing your work! :scream:

Originally posted by Icey: many wonderful pieces here!
and.. rebeccak - your comments are great!
i think that if i post, you'll get a large page of them... - but i'd love you to!! - i'll probably post soon - just to scan some of my work...
Icey, can't wait to have you join the OFDWs! I think your work will be fantastic. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lemog
12-27-2005, 04:29 AM
Morning Beckie :) no news about #10 ? :scream: hahahaha... I'm hot :banghead: :arteest:

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 04:34 AM
Morning, Lolo ~

Open Figure Drawing Workshop 010 with Hong Ly and Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=304947)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=304947

:D

I accept apologies...:wise:

Lemog
12-27-2005, 04:43 AM
Morning, Lolo ~

Open Figure Drawing Workshop 010 with Hong Ly and Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=304947)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=304947

:D

I accept apologies...:wise:
Thanks... of course Beckie... you know me... as usually, I've searched during few minutes without results... :shrug: :scream: hahahaha... I'm always terribly LeNut... :banghead:

Can you accept a ton of personal apoligies dear ? :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Now, you can choose my puniton then... :deal:

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by LeNut: Thanks... of course Beckie... you know me... as usually, I've searched during few minutes without results... :shrug: :scream: hahahaha... I'm always terribly LeNut... :banghead:

Can you accept a ton of personal apoligies dear ? :bowdown:
Umm...okay! :scream:
Now, you can choose my puniton then... :deal:
Hmm...:twisted:...free modeling? :scream: :bounce:

Icey
12-27-2005, 03:21 PM
Rebeccak - hope i wown't dissapoint you ... i'm not that good you know..

these are some of my warmup studys.. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/c207581f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/2b4889eb.jpg

Mu
12-27-2005, 04:11 PM
Hi,

Icey - those look grrrreat!

I refined my lines a little and tried some watercolor.
I hope my little experiment helped to develop my eye for lines a bit... the next OFDWs will show...

http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/6573/final0096rz.jpg

SaraD
12-27-2005, 09:14 PM
Icey - if those were mine, they would be the result of years of hard work - not "warm-ups" :bowdown:

I really like them, and they inspire me to try to draw and sketch those models in traditional media. So, I´m going out tomorrow to by some good old paper and pens (pencils?). What shall I start with? I´ve never done "traditional" art och sketching... Give me some hints where to start!

Icey
12-27-2005, 09:37 PM
Sara, i'm very glad you liked them! :) Well.. there are about 3 years of studys.. And your decision is the best!! I'm very glad you give me the chance to say this:

i don't know what's the rush with the grafic tablet and photoshop/painter.. Nobody ever learned like that! Nobody! Not Rebecca, not the people that you admire the most - for certain! The only way to study is by getting a pen and paper and looooong hours strugleing to get the shape/effects you want! Photoshop& wacom gives you the folse impression that you've learned something if you've done the shape and randering right... It gives you more options of colour, it gives you infinit correction possibilitys and takes your mind from what's really important : THE DROWING SKILLS THEMSELFS!- the construction, the perception of volume, the perception of mouvement, gravity, etc.
I have to admit - drowing after pictures on a certain point does the same- i can feel it day after day! - the right thing is to drow after life/model.

about your question (sorry for the delay) - get some textured paper - you can touch it befor buying and feel the texture - it has to be a general all-way one - you can find paper with only horizontal texture - that's for painting.. it's not good for sketchin.. About pencils - i suggest micanical pencils - they never get short (like the wood ones) the stay sharp much easyer - the one that supports larger mines have sharping tools on back. Watch that the softness of the mine to be at least 2B (for the 0.5 -0.7 -0.9 mechanical pencils) up to 4B on the larger ones! It is important because they give personality to your line! - you'll see! ;) I suggest to buy sketchbooks - they have quite a lot of pages - it'll come cheaper and have special textures - you don't have to search for paper all the time ;) - and they are easyer to handle!

This is the start! - not wacom, not photoshop! The very beginning! Do this and get here for more advices! I have a lot in my head and i'll be glad to share them with you! :)

good luck!

SaraD
12-27-2005, 09:47 PM
Icey - if the snowstorm allows me to, I´ll drive to the store tomorrow (I live out in nowhere-land) and I print your reply and hand it to the clerk - "this is what I need"

But I´ll sure as hell (pardon the french) need some help and since there´s no drawingclasses in my town (and come on - to be realistic - with children, horses, dogs and fulltime-job the time to draw is at night and few schools are open then) you can count on that I´m gonna have tons of questions down the road. I´ll keep your head busy :thumbsup:

//Sara

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 09:56 PM
SaraD,

For drawing supplies, check out the following thread (which is by no means a comprehensive list, but should get you started): :)

Traditional Drawing Supplies (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257425)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257425

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 12:47 AM
Icey,

Finally get to see your work! :)

Your work is beautiful ~ do not belittle it. :) It's not to say that it's perfect, but you certainly have a lot of talent and drive, and I would caution you against saying that you 'aren't that good', as it's just not true. :)

Do you study the work of Ingres and some of the Classical Drawing masters? I think you would quite like the work (drawings) of Ingres, and his follower Degas. Degas' drawings, while looser (more impressionistic, as the term goes) are breathtakingly beautiful. I'd be interested to know which artists you are interested in the most. :)

With respect to traditional vs. digital art ~ there are two sides to this coin. And I would caution one against saying that to learn digitally first is not a good thing ~ it really depends on the person.

My personal thought is that, yes, it is good to learn traditionally first, digitally second. However, bear in mind that folks who contribute their work to this forum are coming from a number of different backgrounds ~ some are traditionally trained artists, such as yourself, but some are also programmers, hobbyists without prior training, 3D artists, etc. It's what makes this community so unique and special. :)

And, bear in mind that this is primarily a 3D Graphics website. :) People primarily come here to learn digital skills, and are pleasantly surprised to find traditional work in it's midst. I think the confluence of traditional and digital skills is a great thing, and I am all for all kinds of art ~ digital, traditional, abstract, even some kinds of performance / installation art, and definitely illustration. :)

But, fundamentally, I agree that traditional drawing and painting is a very helpful skillset for any digital artist. The OFDWs are here to help interested artists work in the media of their choice. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 12:49 AM
Mr. Mu,

I quite like this latest work, and think you've done a tremendous job with finding the balance and sense of weight with the pose. :) I think the Sketchathon has helped! Nice work. I look forward to what you will do in the next OFDW. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
12-28-2005, 12:53 AM
thanks rebecca for taking the time to check this out and even reply after the workshop officially timed out - appreciate it as everything you say and do here...:)

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 12:54 AM
No prob, Mr. Mu. ;) Hope you had a great holiday! :)

Cheers,

~Rk

Icey
12-28-2005, 01:24 AM
hehe

thank you rebecca! :)

well... yes.. there is this part- 3D.. Well.. i think 3D is another point of view.. Because as a 3D artist i don't think you need that much traditional skills! A 3D artist knows the forms from he's point of view - and that's another story! And for him, Photoshop is very god for after randering effects.
But i consider this kiind of art something a little diffrent (and i must say that i admire a lot 3D artists! I don't know much about what program is the best, but i will someday - sooon! - want to start "the 3D life" - it is deffinitly my next best step!:) )

i have never heared of Ingres till now.. Or maby i did and i don't know who he is, but i will deffinitly check him up! :D

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 02:15 AM
Icey,

Will reply to your PM soon. :)

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 02:16 AM
I'd just like to take the opportunity to thank Ben for being a wonderful model for the OFDWs, and I'm happy that he's been such an integral and great part of these Workshops. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

justmeina
12-28-2005, 04:18 PM
I'd just like to take the opportunity to thank Ben for being a wonderful model for the OFDWs, and I'm happy that he's been such an integral and great part of these Workshops. :)Thanks very much, Rebecca! That's extremely kind of you to say and I very much appreciate it.

I'm only too pleased to have been involved and to have had the opportunity and thank you and everyone here for that opportunity. I hope that I've been helpful and am quite willing to be helpful again when/if the opportunity arises. I strongly believe in the good influence that figure-based art can have on our world/society/culture and am only too pleased, if not anxious to support it as best I can. As I cannot draw (and have only ever frustrated myself in my attempts, so I've pretty much given up attempting), there's only one way for me to (directly) contribute. I don't think I can clap loudly enough or be supportive enough to express my appreciation for artists that develop such amazing talent and skill and that use that to express so beautifully the wonder and beauty that is humanity through figurative artworks.

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 04:21 PM
Ben,

Thank you! Very well~put. :) We most definitely appreciate your contribution, and look forward to having you be a part of future OFDWs, as well as your contributions to the Anatomy Forum whenever you feel so moved. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
12-28-2005, 10:54 PM
i don't know what's the rush with the grafic tablet and photoshop/painter.. Nobody ever learned like that! Nobody! Not Rebecca, not the people that you admire the most - for certain! The only way to study is by getting a pen and paper and looooong hours strugleing to get the shape/effects you want! Photoshop& wacom gives you the folse impression that you've learned something if you've done the shape and randering right... It gives you more options of colour, it gives you infinit correction possibilitys and takes your mind from what's really important : THE DROWING SKILLS THEMSELFS!- the construction, the perception of volume, the perception of mouvement, gravity, etc.
I have to admit - drowing after pictures on a certain point does the same- i can feel it day after day! - the right thing is to drow after life/model.

This is the start! - not wacom, not photoshop! The very beginning! Do this and get here for more advices! I have a lot in my head and i'll be glad to share them with you! :)

good luck!

Hi Icey
as Rebeccak said, there´s two coins to that discussion. And it can be a delicate one:)

I think you can get your skills from many different medias. What you train is your ability to draw what you see, and understand it. Whether you do it with a pen or a wacom-pen. The technique of "putting" the shapes, forms and movement down is different but the technique behind is the same. You study your object, you find the angles, the directions and the values. And you draw them. I draw them on a wacom and screen you draw them on paper. Yes - I have the option to hit "undo". But you can erase. In my case I don´t use photoshop, I use Painter - no filter, no manipulation. I would love to learn the technique of drawing with a traditional pen. And I think, after a while of getting use to it and learning the media, that I would reach the same level more or less, that I have with my wacom-pen.

As a digital artist people often have the impression that I "cheat". That I take a photo and just copy it. That´s not true. The drawing skills has to be there, how can I otherwise find the form, shapes and volume? I agree that you have more options in colour - but it is hard to master all those options. Just as hard as it is to master them painting in traditional oil...

I´ve worked a long time in the graphicbusiness. So long that I started before the computer hit town. So, i´ve been doin´ my thing the very old, traditional way. But I would never say to one of my design students, that they have to go back to that way of working, because that´s where you have to start. But I do tell, that the things that were true then, is often true now as well. Even though the media and methods has changed.

And I think that´s the most important. The computer should never allow us to do a lesser job, than what they could achive all those years ago without them...

Icey
12-28-2005, 11:56 PM
i agree :)

but i still find it hard to learn with a wacom..I find it almost impossible to get the shape you could get with a pencil on paper, and i consider digital methods to be a help in continueing the art, not create it. But i've seen things done only on computer that looked damn good! And i have to admit, day by day i find digital methods comeing handyer... And about two years ago i was against Photoshop, maby in a couple of years i will forget about pencils and paper :)

time will decide wich is best - at least for me - because i have to see somebody incredibly good that started drowing in PS and reached an outstanding level just to convince myself :D

anyway - i've just started my digital painting... can i start a thread with this even thow it is not anatomy, but concepts too? Because i really don't feel up to the 2D Finished work section..

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 12:03 AM
Icey,

Feel free to create your own Anatomy Thread of Icey. :)

I don't want to get into a digital vs. traditional debate here, but let's just say that I totally agree with SaraD that just because you have Ctrl + Z, doesn't mean that you can be a great digital artist. ;) That is far too simplistic, and just untrue.

Digital art and Traditional Art are peas in a pod to my mind.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
12-29-2005, 12:54 AM
To ..Icey...SaraD ..and anyone else who cares to read this...:)

Tricks and manipulation have been used since the first artist arived on the scene, and
have been used in every medium that has ever been created.
To exclude them from your bag of tools, or tricks, would be a big mistake in my opinion.
It would simply mean that you are afraid of, or have not taken the time to MASTER, and
become MASTER OF the tools that have become available at this moment in time.
We are as artist, in the business of creating beauty ect. thru illusion, by whatever means
that become avalible to us.
FILTERS and MANIPULATION, ARE JUST ANOTHER SET OF TOOLS OR TRICKS, TO BE ....
MASTERED, AND BECOME MASTER OF ..:)
The general public, or main audience, do not care, or know if filters and manipulation
were used to creat what they see. All they care about, is wheather they like it or not.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEATING...That is a restriction imposed upon artist, by
other artist, who have, and always have had the mentality, that is and has always been
....AFRAID OF CHANGE... :)
If we never took advantage of what has become, and is avalible to us as artist, we would
STILL BE FINGER PAINTING, WITH MUD, ON STONE WALLS...:)

This is just my opinion on the subject of FILTERS AND MANIPULATION, IN THIS NEW MEDIUM..:eek: ...:)

Take Care
Glenn

SaraD
12-29-2005, 09:33 AM
Hi SpiritDreamer!
As I said - this can be a really delicate question.

My answer was regarding drawing skills. And that one could not learn to draw without a traditional pen an paper. I think you can.

I am also a big fan of all kind of digital art - handpainted or manipulated, 3D or illustrations. And when I say that people thinks I "cheat" because I do it on the computer, doesn´t mean that I think it´s cheating to manip or use filters. I think you should be clear with what method you use, so that you don´t give the impression that it´s freepainted, when its a cloned or manipulated photo. That´s cheating. But using filters in itself is of course not cheating.

And I don´t exclude them from my bag of tools. Except from when I´m trying to draw something, when I´m trying to increase my skills in portraying the human body or the human face or whatever it is I am trying to capture on my canvas. Then they are not my tools. But when I do magazinecovers, bookcovers etc etc - they are one of my bets friends. I´ve been working with the "new" tools in a long time, and I wouldn´t trade for anything.

So, now I hope there´s noone out there who thinks I´m putting there method down, whatever method that is. The first post was regarding drawingskills. Not what is art and not art. Anything can be art.

Time to draw. Time to create. Time to have fun. In any media, and with any tool.

SpiritDreamer
12-29-2005, 11:18 AM
Hi SaraD...:)

Just trying to settle this debate over old fashsioned verses new fashsioned methods of
creating art...
Whats new today, will be old tomarrow, and I am sure there will be more debate between
OLD and NEW ...THERE and THEN also.....:)

Hey...By the way...I REALLY LIKE YOUR ....DOODLE....:bounce: ......:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak
12-29-2005, 12:04 PM
Hey guys, ;)

I like discussion, but let's not turn this into and Art Theories and Techniques kind of thing ~ that's what that forum is for. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

justmeina
12-30-2005, 11:43 PM
....as well as your contributions to the Anatomy Forum whenever you feel so moved. :)Sure, always happy to help however I can (while hopefully avoiding the "too much Ben" syndrome :eek: ), what sorts of things would be helpful there and how do I contribute them?

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 04:04 PM
Ben,

No worries there ;) if I can think of something, I will definitely ask you...I really just meant having you continue to participate in the OFDWs with your images and comments, which are both very useful and much appreciated. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Per-Anders
01-04-2006, 04:31 AM
todays little sketch

http://www.peranders.com/gallery/images/lifedrawing007.jpg

Rebeccak
01-04-2006, 04:37 AM
Wow, Per! That's quite emotionally impactful...it reminds me quite favorably of the type of experimental collage work I did in one particularly great class where we were encouraged to really mix media / etc. ~ probably one of the best classes I've had. It's really cool to see this translated in digital terms. The body is definitely really solid, I only think the face needs a bit of refinement / to make it a bit more solid and dimensional. Great piece! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

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