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Nichod
12-11-2005, 10:42 AM
http://www.macromedia.com/

A new website. And the end of macromedia. Personally I think it is a bad idea to get rid of the branding potential macromedia had, but I suppose adobe is known well enough that its not needed. There is still some macromedia labeled items, not sure if they do intend to dissolve the name entirely.

Beamtracer
12-11-2005, 10:53 AM
http://www.digipost.homestead.com/files/Macromedia.jpg

Take one last look at that logo before it disappears forever.

eddieellis
12-11-2005, 11:01 AM
oh dear, and macromedia has done so much the the web industy

Sagii
12-11-2005, 01:18 PM
hmm since macromedia is well known for its web applications I think it be best to keep their name since it is a brand most web people identify and trust.

Koogle
12-11-2005, 02:51 PM
well we still got the Alias homepage to check out, i'm sure that will get changed sometime... and it might look a bit like this perhaps?

Autodesk Media and Entertainment formerly Alias :D

and then they'll pull out 80% of the content currently hosted on the Alias website and replace it with white space.

barbapapa
12-11-2005, 03:17 PM
that would suck indeed, mm Autodesk a multibillon dollar company and they dont know how to make an appealing webpage, The same as the new 3smax boot screen
Is a shame about macromedia´s name being wasted like that, Ihope it doesent happens the same to alias

kraal
12-11-2005, 05:04 PM
i think the reasoning for macromedia dissappering is that it is a DIRECT rival of adobe. Unlike maya and 3d studio max where a lot of the difference was platfore issues and choice.

Plus I think (and hope)3dstudio max will keep the software. Abobe has all intents and reason to kill everything but flash and directior.

and adobe wants to own flash

ThreeDeityMike
12-11-2005, 06:12 PM
...weird going to macromedia.com and seeing Abode flash on the screen. ..just weird..

Tlock
12-13-2005, 05:36 PM
Well Adobe has finally won the 2D vector war with macromedia. For those who remember these 2 companies have been at it since illustrator 1.0 and freehand 1.0 were released. Now the question is what will happen to Xpress? Desktop publishing and the web up up and away.......

hamora
12-14-2005, 01:14 AM
Just for the record, Freehand was developed by a company named Aldus. Macromedia (at the time named Macromind) took Freehand well after R3.

I love Adobe products. Personally I think Illustrator, Photoshop and, of course, AE are some of the best, most artist friendly products ever. I’d dare argue that Apple (a company I have no sympathy for) and Adobe are the only companies that really understand the way artists think and interact with computers, something I cannot say for Macromedia. Still, I’m upset by Adobe’s arrogance and disrespect for Macromedia’s (now Adobe) clients.

Myself, I’m mainly a Maya user and while I’m no Alias fun either I dread what Discreet are going to do with their newly acquired toy.

angel
12-14-2005, 02:16 AM
what has adobe done to disrespect Mecromedia's customers?

Rustedhouse
12-14-2005, 03:21 AM
guys, ebb and flow. its all the same in the long run. Don't you know that the weak ones get beaten out by the big ones? its all natural selection! didn't you see 'the day after tomorrow'? The ice age can come any day now!

but seriously, the only thing macro had on adobe was actionscript and flash is only taking over the internet so adobe had to buy it while it could b/c its got bigger fish to fry with apple workin up a photoshop competitor, and once motion gets 2/3d like AE it should be an interesting battle there as well.

hmm.battle.

Rustedhouse
12-14-2005, 03:22 AM
guys, ebb and flow. its all the same in the long run. Don't you know that the weak ones get beaten out by the big ones? its all natural selection! didn't you see 'the day after tomorrow'? The ice age can come any day now!

but seriously, the only thing macro had on adobe was actionscript and flash is only taking over the internet so adobe had to buy it while it could b/c its got bigger fish to fry with apple workin up a photoshop competitor, and once motion gets 2/3d like AE it should be an interesting battle there as well.

hmm.battle.

xino
12-14-2005, 03:30 AM
Personally I won't miss the macromedia brand at all. Hopefully Adobe can make the new GUIs more user friendly.

Beamtracer
12-14-2005, 03:39 AM
Personally I won't miss the macromedia brand at all.
You might miss it when development slows down and prices rise.

When one company swallows its main competitor, then competition ends. What incentive will Adobe have to increase development if they have no real competition?

Pixero
12-14-2005, 06:55 AM
I´ve always liked Freehand better than Illustrator but maybe its because I´ve used it since the Aldus days and know it inside out. :shrug:

DrFx
12-14-2005, 09:56 AM
I´ve always liked Freehand better than Illustrator but maybe its because I´ve used it since the Aldus days and know it inside out. :shrug:

Christ, how old are you? I remember having a Freehand demo in my Mac Classic more than 10 years ago! ;)

What happens to Dreamweaver? I like it much better than GoLive.

what has adobe done to disrespect Mecromedia's customers?

Imagine if you have invested money and a lot of time learning and working with any given software, then the company who makes it, axes it. How would you feel? Now, let's see what happens, but everybody is afraid a bunch of overlapping products will get axed.

Pixero
12-14-2005, 10:25 AM
He hee, I´m forty. Is that soo old?
I started using Freehand in 1990 I think.
I also began my 3d career with the old mac app Alias Sketch. Great program for the time.
And then the new Photoshop 3 came with LAYERS. Well well, those were the days.

Coming to think of it my first Mac had a 40 Mb harddrive and still plenty of room for apps.
I wonder how they did that... :rolleyes: ... and why a word processor today need several hundreds of MB of space.

Hmm... a little of topic I guess but please remember I´m and old man... ;)

DrFx
12-14-2005, 12:30 PM
Lol, I was kidding, of course! At the time I was younger, about 17, and not really into graphics in computers, but trying to learn Claris Works! My mac had 4 MB Ram! Today's sound card (X-Fi) drivers take up 400 Mb disk space! Aah, those really were the days...

slaughters
12-14-2005, 12:48 PM
Personally I won't miss the macromedia brand at all. Hopefully Adobe can make the new GUIs more user friendly.You're not a web developer.

Fede
12-14-2005, 01:47 PM
They can take dreamweaver and golive and flush it down the toilet for all i care, just don't touch my Homesite!:scream: golive created such crap html it's not even funny. Never liked wysiwyg, you never have total control of what you need to achieve, i think it's more for amateurs.

I really don't feel like learning illustrator, hopefully it's close to PS. Will miss freehand dearly.

I don't think/hope they will increase prices cause that will just hurt them from a piracy perspective IMO.

xino
12-14-2005, 02:55 PM
You're not a web developer.

Actually I am/was. I'm getting out of the web design/GUI design business because it's extremely boring. But thanks for that little "dig" for no reason. What the hell was that about?

Back on topic: Development won't slow unless the 'net standards slow. Prices on Macromedia and Adobe products have always been near the "high" category for most regular consumers (not designers), but that's the price you pay for using the best software.

Also, there is not a single bit of proof that adobe will "nix" anything that was previously made by macromedia.

All of these conspiracy theories are getting out of hand.

Fede
12-14-2005, 03:28 PM
If you look at the new Adobe studio packages:

http://www.adobe.com/products/bundles/design_bundle.html

and

http://www.adobe.com/products/bundles/web_bundle.html

You will notice some macromedia products missing, which i assume will not be continued, could be wrong though but i don't see why they would dev 2 products which do essentially the same thing.

I don't see Autodesk continuing 2 packages either.

xino
12-14-2005, 07:48 PM
If you look at the new Adobe studio packages:

http://www.adobe.com/products/bundles/web_bundle.html

You will notice some macromedia products missing, which i assume will not be continued, could be wrong though but i don't see why they would dev 2 products which do essentially the same thing.

I don't see Autodesk continuing 2 packages either.

What exactly is missing? The macromedia studio bundle has everything anyone needs.

http://www.adobe.com/imageshome/red_arrow.gif Macromedia Studio 8 (http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/)

Combines full versions of:
http://www.adobe.com/images/blkbullet.gif Dreamweaver® 8
http://www.adobe.com/images/blkbullet.gif Flash Professional 8
http://www.adobe.com/images/blkbullet.gif Fireworks® 8
http://www.adobe.com/images/blkbullet.gif Contribute™ 3
http://www.adobe.com/images/blkbullet.gif FlashPaper™ 2

You can still buy any of the other macromedia products seperately. Those are only the bundles they are selling, and if I'm not mistaken, that how macromedia has always sold the "Web" bundle. Freehand was never part of it.

bsm3d
12-14-2005, 08:27 PM
You're not a web developer.

Lol :beer:

XLNT-3d
12-14-2005, 09:34 PM
CorelDraw smokes Illustrator and Freehand like cheap cigars. CorelDraw had layers way before Adobe products even started to implement them.

monovich
12-14-2005, 09:45 PM
I'll admit to still using freehand. Same reason as the other guy, too. I know where everything is, and it's a really light app - no extra stuff I don't need. It was showing it's age, though. They weren't exactly dumping development money into it.

I guess I'll learn illustrator now. I can't wait to waste entire hours looking for menu items and equivalent terms or functions.

productivity, here I come!

-sf

ps. I always liked the macromedia logo and website. the same cannot be said for Adobe.

BigJay
12-15-2005, 02:42 AM
wow, homesite. I was so upset when macromedia aquired it. It was the best text editor for web site design I ever used. Then Macromedia got ahold of it and development stopped. Sadly I think that Adobe will do the same with all but flash. Copy the features they need and worry about how to stop next competitor by patenting menus our mouse clicks or some such nonsense.

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