Image quality in Camcorders.

[coffeeJay]

you have to do research to find that kind of stuff. It's just a matter of goggle.

[Maven]

This is a good website for comparisons and reviews.

[jussing]

you have to do research to find that kind of stuff. It's just a matter of goggle.(rant)
I don't get these "google it" replies! If that's all you can say, why even bother to reply?

Clearly the man is thinking this board has cleverer people on the subject, than your average Google result. And you're proving him wrong.

(end rant)

:)

Cheers all,
- Jonas

[visionist]

(rant)
I don't get these "google it" replies! If that's all you can say, why even bother to reply?

Clearly the man is thinking this board has cleverer people on the subject, than your average Google result. And you're proving him wrong.

(end rant)

:)

Cheers all,
- Jonas

I totally agree with this, Google sometimes brings crap results with people leaning towards one camera and shitting on all others. With a forum, such as this one, you can get mixxed results, and better compared results. People might even have a specific site with great examples from multiple cameras and now leaning towards one brand.

LmB

[David McSween]

You do tend to get thoroughly different results from different manufactures. I recall that Canon process' the image to look quite warm, but you really need to get a side by side comparo' in the shop (preferably outside the shop).

A lot of retailers these days stock cameras and edit packages why not shoot a variety of cameras onto one tape at the same location recording the name of the camera as you do so. Later you can reference the individual cam used, stick this in your fav editor and do a split screen to see the way each is set up to reproduce colours etc.
Remember that DV is Dv is DV. The format doesn't change the compression scheme is the same across the board it is all about 1.the Lens, 2.the Chip(s) and 3.the processing before encoding.

1.Look for real glass in a lens, for example Sony uses Lieca lens's. as such there are far less arifacts from flare and reflections.
2.Try to get a three chip cam, as the captured resolution is higher (DV has a fixed res, but you know the saying Rubbish in Rubbish out). The only prob. with this is the reduction of light falling on the chips meaning perhaps more lighting required for shooting.
3.Manufactures often 'Enhance' the image first introducing contrast and edge atrifacts to increase apparent sharpness and playing with the color to overcome limited colorspace range from the single chip cameras.

Good Luck, remeber that post processing of DV footage is very limited as there is almost no dynamic range (contrast) and the color resolution is half the luma res.

David

[Darkeyesuk2000]

Well said David. I have used most of the prosumer cameras that are around.
After all is said and done my conclusion is thatit dont matter what 3 chip mini dv camera you use crap camera work is crap camera work. I lent a mate of mine an old 3 chip panasonic camera to a mate of mine and the stuff he shot blew my mind, he pissed over anything i shot.
then he bought a canon xm2 and the stuff he shot on that blew my mind again.
from my experiance a three chip camera from either sony canon or panasonic of jvc is good enough. Its up to you to get the best out of it.
i must admit i do like the canon dv cameras, the have a very warm film like look to them, however what ever look you are after can be achived in post.
and did you know that most of the components that are in these camcorders are shared between manufactuers. For example sony was using ccd`s made by panasonic for the pdx10.

bottomline its all upto you not the camera.

[Rickmeister]

the differences in color can easely be corrected in post... so most 3chip camera's are good enough for the job. Just like Darkeye says... its the way you capture your scene is what is important at the moment. all other things can be fixed in post...

[Studev]

Talking about camera, i think the best HDV 3 CCD Camera around now is Canon XL H1. The amount of control u have is far compare to the model from Sony, JVC and Panasonic. It's expensive though, around USD 9000

And the new thing that i just found out is now the new camcorder begin to based on Cmos instead of CCD. I haven't see any comparison yet so far. Really curious of the differences between both.

It's getting very interesting

Regards

[Rickmeister]

Talking about camera, i think the best HDV 3 CCD Camera around now is Canon XL H1. The amount of control u have is far compare to the model from Sony, JVC and Panasonic. It's expensive though, around USD 9000

And the new thing that i just found out is now the new camcorder begin to based on Cmos instead of CCD. I haven't see any comparison yet so far. Really curious of the differences between both.

It's getting very interesting

Regards

I've just got my SONY HDV HC1E camcorder, but havent got the time to do some proper tests. But like Studev said, this new era brings us camcorders with Cmos instead (like mine) and the difference seems to be minimal!

The Canon XL H1 might be the best HD camcorder at this very moment, though for a student like me... 9000,- bucks is not something i can dig up :(

[Darkeyesuk2000]

ok the original thread was about hdv cameras not hdv, My personal oppinion and after all this is my personal oppinion after all is,after looking at all the minidv cameras around the best in i rekon is the panasonic DVX-100, because it has all the features you could wantin a minidv camera.

My oppinion on hdv as a format is a iligetamate child of full hd, the lack of colour spacing the compression, the list goes on and on.
Panasonic have tried to adress this issue with the AG-HVX200. t
This baby offers full hd100 1080 and lots more using p2 cards.
Now alot of you guys may be thinking why would i wanna pay between gran to two grand for a p2 card and get a couple of minutes of footage when i could go out and buy a minidv tape for 3 bucks and get 60 minutes of footage.

Well the way i see it, if you are going to hollywood and wanna hang out with Mr lucas and the rest of the gang your little hdv camera aint gonna cut the mustard along side the panavision and arri film cameras or the full hd cameras that are being used for main stream productions.

However panasonic are trying to bridge that gap with there baby hd camera. Remember for the mainstream to take you seriously if you got a kick ass movie,make shure you shot it on a kick as format, So they can blow it up on a mega kick ass screen and see it in all its glory.

Remember folks if you shoot on film you only get as much shooting time on a 1200 foot reel of film as you would on a p2 card. Also the fact that you are restricted with your shooting time gives you a more professional attitude to filmming rather than shooting on hdv and just letting the tape roll untill the actors get it right.

[BrianHarbauer]

Another suggestion would be www.reel-stream.com (http://www.reel-stream.com). There's a thread about it on this forum.

[gridlocke12]

ok the original thread was about hdv cameras not hdv, My personal oppinion and after all this is my personal oppinion after all is,after looking at all the minidv cameras around the best in i rekon is the panasonic DVX-100, because it has all the features you could wantin a minidv camera.

My oppinion on hdv as a format is a iligetamate child of full hd, the lack of colour spacing the compression, the list goes on and on.
Panasonic have tried to adress this issue with the AG-HVX200. t
This baby offers full hd100 1080 and lots more using p2 cards.
Now alot of you guys may be thinking why would i wanna pay between gran to two grand for a p2 card and get a couple of minutes of footage when i could go out and buy a minidv tape for 3 bucks and get 60 minutes of footage.

Well the way i see it, if you are going to hollywood and wanna hang out with Mr lucas and the rest of the gang your little hdv camera aint gonna cut the mustard along side the panavision and arri film cameras or the full hd cameras that are being used for main stream productions.

However panasonic are trying to bridge that gap with there baby hd camera. Remember for the mainstream to take you seriously if you got a kick ass movie,make shure you shot it on a kick as format, So they can blow it up on a mega kick ass screen and see it in all its glory.

Remember folks if you shoot on film you only get as much shooting time on a 1200 foot reel of film as you would on a p2 card. Also the fact that you are restricted with your shooting time gives you a more professional attitude to filmming rather than shooting on hdv and just letting the tape roll untill the actors get it right.


The DVX-100 also supports 24P (progressive scan - like a full film frame-no interlacing like normal DV) video.
We'll be using this camera in an upcoming production to be shot next week.
The quality is film like! Keep in mind of negative aspects fast motion in 24P.
Do your research :wip:

[Darkeyesuk2000]

Well, i do live in the uk, where the dvx100 does not come with 24p, due to the fact we have been shooting 25 frames from the beginning of time, also before 24p came out in the states people were shooting pal 25fps due to the higher res and it was closer to 24fps which helps of you want to transfer your footage over to film.

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