Sketchbook Thread of Erich Schreiner

[ErichSchreiner]

@Rebecca

thx.

well, this was just a test for me. i want to become my work more loose, so i switched back to painter. theres no way i could get that look with PS (i tried a lot in the last months). so i chose the first pics i found to test it.

Oversaw the 50-head-thing at all...damn it, now i'm very late. are you going to make another month, torso or so ?

so my goal for these studies is to loosen up in a painterly way...if that makes sense... :)

@Mr Mu
thx. i had EL Chief as username...i should have chosen my real name as new username, but now it's too late, i think. Or is it possible to change ones username by a moderator?

next:

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/face04.jpg

[Mu]

Erich, there's a name change thread in the support forum (way down the frontpage)...:)

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Murat, just found it :)


http://www.drakken.de/exercises/face05.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Erich,

Ah, I see you got your username changed. :) Nice to see your experimentation here, and am sorry you came late to the Workshop ~ I recently created this thread, which I encourage you to subscribe to in order to stay informed of the latest Tutorials and Workshops on the Forum:

Notification of New Open Figure Drawing Workshops / + TUTORIALS - SUBSCRIBE HERE! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=379951)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Rebecca. just subscribed...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/face06.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next one...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/face07.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/face08.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next one...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/face09.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/face10.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

some scribbles

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles18.jpg

[razz]

I like the girl painting a lot. I think it turned out very well. There are some minor tweaks that could be done, but as a speedpaint - great job!

[Rebeccak]

Erich,

I agree with razz, the painting of the girl is nice, and a nice departure from your other work. Looking forward to seeing more progress in this direction. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[ErichSchreiner]

@razz

thx. perhaps i'll work a bit more on it, but i'd like to keep the loose style. :)

@Rebecca
think i will do some more...but theres a lot of other stuff i should do also... :)

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles19.jpg

[Elliepower]

Hi Erich,

I am surprised about your painter sketches, especially face08 has a very great impression of an innocent but sexy young lady. I could imagine this kind of picture combined with your another stuff, perhaps something like a victim of a vampire, having a sad but innocent look.

Go on this way, I like it a lot!

Ciao,
Ellie

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Ellie. i think i will make some other exercises in that direction, when i find the time.


i think i don't think enough in volume or roundness while i'm drawing...

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles20.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Erich,

I may have mentioned this before, but I think buying at least one Vilppu DVD (perhaps the first one?) might really help with the crucial missing piece which is thinking in terms of roundness. :) Also I think that drawing larger, and perhaps focusing on occasion on one body part, say for example a leg, will really help in this regard.

I look forward to seeing your updates ~ as always, your output is prolific, which is great to see.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Rebecca, will think about that :)

i'm actally working on this piece. the blue is too dominat right now...

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/mc_color01.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

and finished...

http://www.drakken.de/ArtGallery/mea_culpa.jpg

[Mu]

Heiligemariamuttergottes.

Donnerknispel.


:eek:

erm, you have made some progress...kindalike...sort of...:D

[Elliepower]

Hi Erich,

I think the ear of the right woman is a bit height. And there is something weird with the bottom margin, but still don't have an idea how to fix the problem.

If this would be a book cover, lol, the solution would be easy. But a nice picture, and as always: fast and furious. A second "Donnerknispel" from Hamburg, hehe.

Ciao,
Ellie

[ErichSchreiner]

had not much time in the last few months to feed this thread.

scribbles after ref.

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles27.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles28.jpg

[Cris-Palomino]

Hi, Erich.

I had not seen your thread. It's unfortunate that so many of the images are missing (at least they are for me). This last batch is really nice. One of the faces looks like one of the actors from Underworld. Nice sketches.

Cris

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Criss, and you're right :)
This was the Lucien character from Underworld. All studies are based on screen captures from certain movies.

Missing Pictures: my vault...i cleaned up my webspace some months ago, and messed things up. So i lost a bunch of exercises.

[ErichSchreiner]

pencil after reference
http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles29.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

Hi there. I participated a lot of workshops in the last months and worked on my folio etc. Didn't had much time, but i will do a next Masterstudy-round now, that hopefully will push me up the ladder a bit :)

some stuff of the last months.

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/lost.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/rogue_final.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/yoyo_final01.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/warlord01.jpg
I based this sketch on a rough scribble done before

and some rough scribbles
http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles32.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles31.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/scribbles34.jpg

forgot some enviros
http://www.drakken.de/stuff/concept01.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/concept01rotbmfinalnoborder.jpg



Concerning my thread:
I looked through it, and the pics start at page 15. Like i said, i messed up my webspace some months ago...sorry for that.

[SpiritDreamer]

HEY...Erich....:applause: :thumbsup:

Looks like you've been busy...:scream: .....Those paintings are turning out GREAT:thumbsup:
Developeing a nice style there...:) ....really enjoyed the third one down in your last set posted, with the purples, greens, reds, and black...BEAUTIFUL COLOR COMBO...AND PAINTING....:thumbsup:
Really looking forward to seeing MORE...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[ErichSchreiner]

thx a lot Glenn :)

my drawings or scribbles still suck. That doesn't matter that much while painting, but ok, have to do something against this weakness, i think :)

cheers

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/analogue.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

HEY...Erich...:)

That last painting shines....really nice work...full of atmosphere...great depth...BEAUTIFUL..:thumbsup:
Don't be too hard on yourself when it comes to your drawings...they are just a means to an end, which is the painting...:)
I have been neglecting my drawing for a few years now..LOL....I'm taking a life drawing class
with live models ..starting the 16th of this month...:eek: can hardly wait to see how bad my drawings turn out in that first class...should be interesting and amusing if nothing else..:scream:
But as they say,..PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT...WE WILL SEE..LOL :buttrock: :scream::eek: :)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Glenn.

i had two life drawing courses in the last month. For me, that's just a part of the whole picture (practicing from references, master drawings, photographs, from life, make things up etc...). Some guys swear that life drawing is the best and only way for them to get better in drawing, but i think that depends on the individual. Everybody learns differently :)

I hope it will push you foreward.

Before i do some MasterStudies i will go through some photo references to make some things clear for myself.
First round of male backs (quick studies):

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body01.jpg
http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body02.jpg

I have lots of work to do, but i hope to be able to do at least a few studies a day.

[ErichSchreiner]

next bunch........

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body03.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Good to see your new studies Erich. I need to figure out a way to demo traditional techniques because there are some things which are just better seen than talked about. If you watch Vilppu's DVDs I think that might be a good key to your loosening up in your studies and getting the mass conception down a bit more fluidly. As always, your work ethic is inspiring. :)

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Rebecca :)

i own his first DVD (gesture). i think i would need the square or circle DVD for understanding the masses better, or which one would you recommend?

Demos of traditional techniques would be very very cool. Hope you will find a way soon :)

I did these quick studies for getting a better understanding of the muscles of the back (covered by skin and fat). The patterns never look the same, but slowly i see things repeating, and how certain muscles / muscle groups interlock etc...interesting.

[Mu]

Hi Erich,

this one...

http://www.drakken.de/stuff/analogue.jpg


...is just beautiful.

the warm colors, the limited focal area, the strict composition...

Simply beautiful.

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Murat.




http://www.drakken.de/stuff/concept03.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

backs, backs, backs...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body04.jpg

[NR43]

You keep amazing me!

About your drawings... they only look a bit scribbly because it seems you are rushing the shading. I'm sure if you would take your time you could perfectly make drawings that look finished. .

Since you're a painter (I think) at heart, I wouldn't worry about it :D

[ErichSchreiner]

@NR43
thx a lot :)

and you're right, i'm rushing them, because my goal is a better understanding of the muscles and their basic patterns, so i only want to spend the right amount of time per study...and that's not much. perhaps 15 to 25 minutes. :)

next bunch

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body05.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next bunch of backshttp://www.drakken.de/exercises/body06.jpg

[SylvanMist]

Hi Erich, you've got a lot of talent, great sketches & paintings :)

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Roja :)

well, at the end it comes down to a lot of practice, nothing else :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body07.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

and a few more...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body08.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

these quickies were done all without ref.

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body09.jpg

tommorrow i'll move to the front of the body.

[SpiritDreamer]

HEY...Erich....:thumbsup:

GREAT JOB with those backs....and arms :) :thumbsup: :applause:
WAY TO GO...MEMORY TEST...:scream:
Can't wait to see the fronts...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[ErichSchreiner]

thx a lot Glenn :)

doesn't take too much time, nice exercise :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body10.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

a few more.......

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body11.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next bunch........

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body12.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

muscles over muscles...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body13.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next round..............http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body14.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next...............http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body15.jpg

[Intervain]

Those are really nice studies! And it's fascinating to actually see improvement in such a short period of time - the last ones are way better and more 3 dimentional in feel than the first ones! Keep going :applause:

[Zephyri]

The dedication you show to your craft is an inspiration in itself. I love how you attack everything and really seek to learn all you can about it. The front and back studies are all coming on nicely, and you've come a long way even from the beginning of those... Have you ever tried shading in the direction of the form? At the minute it seems all your shading is done in the same direction which is lovely for smooth looking drawings, but in these it might help inject a littl bit of life to try other driections following the form, even curvier lines swinging back and forth... just a suggestion! Keep it up!

[NR43]

I keep thinking "must study more... must study more" every time I visit your thread. That's the kind of sense seing your work is making to me!
thanks for that :)

[ErichSchreiner]

@Intervain

thx a lot. Honestly i have to admit that the scribbly look was a direct result of my laziness. i didn't want to invest too much time in the beginning, but now, for a better look, i do it. :)

@Zephyri
thx. Well, i think the studies are too small to shade along the form. every post is about A4 (lettersize), but i understand your concern. :)

Don Seegmiller once said: Quantity over Quality (concerning learning and practice), and he's absolutely right.

@NR43
thx too. hope i can keep motivating you. :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body16.jpg

[wasker]

waw, I haven't seen this much muscle since I saw a documentary about Belgian Blues.
Nice pencils, good caption of light :thumbsup:

[ErichSchreiner]

@waskerthx...here are a few more :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body17.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next bunch...................

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body18.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

now i have about fifty front views and will move to pelvis / legs tomorrow.

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body19.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

first legs.........

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body20.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

legs again...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body21.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi...Erich...:)

Great studies..:thumbsup:
You might add to thier effect...just my opinion here, and a passing thought.:)
By making some of the muscles relaxed even more than you are showing, while the other muscles are working, you would be creating a reason, action for, in, and with the pose. You might try really emphasizing that aspect of the figure more in these studies.
Having all of the muscles tensed and bulging at the same time, ..would make it imposible to move...some stretch, and some bulge, alowing movement..TWIST and motion.
Like I said though,...just a thought that might test your memory even further, and enhance those GREAT studies that your doing even more:)
Really looking forward to seeing more of these studies..think they are great, and a great way to learn to remember..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Glenn :)

I know what you mean, good advice. For now i'm hammering the muscles in my head, therefore i chose mainly pumped up bodybuilding models. I will do exercises like you've mentionned in a few weeks, when i think i'm ready.

thx again, your thoughts are always apprechiated

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body22.jpg
http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body23.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

today's legs.....

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body24.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

more legs.....

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body25.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

another bunch......


http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body26.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

wanted to do more out of my mind today...


http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body27.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

the last leg-studies. now i'm moving to the female form.

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body28.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body29.jpg

[Eiki]

Hej ErichSchreiner :)
Very nice studies in your thread, and very nice studies without reference! :thumbsup:
Your shading style is astonishing! :D

[ErichSchreiner]

@BapKe

thx a lot. it's just practice, practice, practice... :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body30.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body31.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body32.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next ones...................

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body33.jpg

and two quickies (a bit rushed...)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body34.jpg

[tizianoadmirer]

I admire your perseverance. Your progress is obvious, and a great encouragement for beginners like myself. Thanks !

[ErichSchreiner]

thx man, keep going :)


http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body35.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

some more......................


http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body36.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

and another bunch....

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body37.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

and another bunch....................

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body38.jpg

[NR43]

jee are these all without ref?
excellent (even if not without ref lol)

[ErichSchreiner]

@NR43

thx and no :) Where i used reference i wrote 'ref', the others are 'no ref'.

[anandpg]

Hi Erich! Great Studies, man!:thumbsup: keep 'em coming!

[ErichSchreiner]

anandpg

thx. they are a bit rough, but for what i want to do right now they are just right :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body39.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next.................................

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body40.jpg

[coochaki]

Hey man!
your work is impressive!

[ErichSchreiner]

@coochaki

thx a lot :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body41_243.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Erich,

Great to see how much you are pushing yourself! Lots of great studying going on here, that is taking you closer to your goals.

I would love to see you loosen up your line work eventually and do more gestural studies. I can't recall if you had gotten Vilppu's Gesture DVD but I really think you would enjoy it. I think drawing a bit larger and with a medium over which you have less control actually helps you to do better drawings. An especially good exercise for this is doing the timed 2, 5, and 15 minute drawings. Take a look at PixelColada's thread to see what I mean - he even has 1 minute drawings. That's the kind of thing I think you would really benefit from, even if you use photo reference to do them - it's really been helping me lately to do a lot of these short format drawings to get a gestural, loose feel.

Cheers and keep up the hard work! :)

[ErichSchreiner]

@thx Rebekka :)

i own the gesture DVD. Right now, the studies are aimed for surface patterns and anatomy (muscles etc...) only. I have already two of the virtual pose books, and will start to concentrate more on the gesture / poses in a few weeks.

thx again :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body44.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

HEY...Erich....:thumbsup:

GREAT STUDIES...:)
Kind of glad to see that you are getting away from the muscle bound look in the guys/frozen pose look...not a trap that you want to fall into, and a hard one to get out of, once your in it...:scream:
REALLY enjoying all of your studies..great way to learn and develope...will pay off big time, when you put your figures into compositions...KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK...Erich...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[ErichSchreiner]

thx a lot Glenn :)

i'm convinced that this will pay off...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body45.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

next bunch...


http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body46.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

and another one....


http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body47.jpg

[TranscendentalLucidity]

This works amazing. I can't believe those anatomy plates. There identical to the ones i have in the book lol. Really good work.

What course did you enroll on? I think i know which one it might be but i can't remmeber the name and i might want to enroll on it myself when it re-runs.

Great stuff,

[Rebeccak]

Keep kicking, Erich! Don't forget to loosen up a bit. ;)

[ErichSchreiner]

@Transcendental...

thx. well, that was Rebecca's Workshop :)

@Rebecca
thx...i'm working on it, i swear :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body49.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

some digital speed studies. all after ref

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood01.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood02.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood04.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

and a few more...

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood05.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood06.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood07.jpg

[TranscendentalLucidity]

Really enjoying seeing your updates. This isn't work relating to a project is it? I mean your doing this seperatly?

Looking good.

[ErichSchreiner]

yeah you're right, just training :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood03.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body50.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body51.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/posen01.jpg

another bunch of pencil studies...

[Rebeccak]

That first sheet is looking great, with the last lower right male figure it seems you are taking more time to think about the correspondence of the opposing sides of the body, something I think is lacking in some of the other studies. The key thing to remember with figurative art in which you are trying to express something is that the use of line and expressiveness is bound up with the 'accuracy' of the line you are making. I think if you did a few charcoal drawings where the size were just a bit larger, you would begin to get a bit more feeling into the work. Right now I can completely appreciate your great effort at getting basic figures down, it's something I think everyone should try as hard as you do to do. :) But I think further down the road it will be nice to see you push the expressiveness of your figures more, and really get a sense of energy into the linework as it enhances the pose of the figure you are depicting.

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Rebecca

opposing sides of the body, something I think is lacking in some of the other studies.

Do you mean 'thinking across the form' ? I thought this is still one of my problems.

that the use of line and expressiveness is bound up with the 'accuracy' of the line you are making
just to get it right: more accuracy means less expressiveness? Or does it mean something different?

Sorry for asking again, but discussing such things over the internet is sometimes really hard for me :)

i made this quick sketch on A4 (lettersize).

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body52.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Heh, see actually I like that quick sketch you just did much better than some of the tighter pencil drawings you've done. :) There's a dichotomy that is created by doing the tighter pencil studies and then the looser ones. The only way to really force yourself to work loosely is by timing your studies, by doing short 2 / 5 / 10 or 15 minute drawings, preferably from a model, but working from reference is really useful as well I've found. As you do the tight drawings you build your anatomical knowledge and eye for detail, as you do the loose drawings, you build your ability to work gesturally which is often what brings beauty to a drawing. Michelangelo is best at combining both accuracy and gestural fluidity, for example:

http://www.mcm.edu/academic/galileo/ars/arsgifs/zmichelangelo.gif


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/graphics/2006/03/21/bamichelangelo1.jpg

The tighter drawings you are doing are fantastic, don't get me wrong. :) They are doing a lot in terms of increasing your confidence and you're certainly one of the most committed to learning I've seen, which is great! The main thing I think you just need to inject is doing faster, timed drawings on occasion to get your wrist and arm moving in a gestural way. It's a tricky process to combine both the gestural strokes and anatomical accuracy, but it's worth practicing. Vilppu is great at this, Michelangelo is the absolute master of it. The main thing to notice in the above drawings is the rhythm that is set up by the opposing curves of the form. If you follow the curves on either side of the body, the way you 'read' the form is not all that fast, it's slow enough to let you appreciate the push and pull of the form. This is admittedly hard to transmit via text, but if you study the drawings of masters like Michelangelo I think that you will see what I mean. :)

[ErichSchreiner]

thx again, Rebecca. I hope i understood it now :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood08.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood09.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

some quickies

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/body53.jpg

[Rebeccak]

That is 100% better! :) The leftmost figure is exactly what I think you should be aiming for with respect to gesture + anatomical description. There is so much more expressiveness in the line that keeps me interested in the drawing as a drawing, rather than as a mere description of form. Keep pushing these, I think it will really ultimately enhance the dynamism of your paintings. If you start to study master works and compositions, you will see how the gesture of the figures is echoed everywhere in the compositions. This flow ties such masterworks together. Take a look at any of these compositions (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=rubens&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi) and notice how the gestures of the figures leads the eye around the composition. Though the style may not be what you are aiming for, the fundamental principle of dynamism is what any artist should try to have in their drawings / compositions. :)

The color comps are looking nice too!

[ErichSchreiner]

thx Rebecca :) i hope that will help.



http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood10.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood11.jpg

[ErichSchreiner]

after ref...the others too, of course

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood12.jpg

[Cyanid]

nice colors on the last one. I like the warm light on the feet. maybe you should tighten up the hand a bit.
good gestures, the loose ones. I like'm a lot!

Keep m coming!

[Rebeccak]

Really nice color studies, I like the way you are using films (I think?) to study color. Good stuff! :)

[ErichSchreiner]

@cyanid

thx a lot :)

@Rebecca
thx and you're right (except the last one / photo). I like, how they apply filters in movies, but i think i have to admit now, that it would make more sense, to search up references for a certain painting / project, than to study them for fun, because there are way tooo many lighting situations etc. out there.

But, for example, they are great for concentrating on brush economy, anatomy, eye training etc...well, in my opinion :)

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood13.jpg

http://www.drakken.de/exercises/mood14.jpg

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