Beginners' Lounge

[Rebeccak]

Resources for Beginners:


Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)

New to CGTalk? Learn how to post IMAGES here! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088)

BEGINNERS' Drawing Workshop - Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain - With Margie (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=269026)

I5 Minute Sketchathon (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498)

Anatomy Resources : BOOKS (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257424)

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Anyone may create a Personal Anatomy Thread:

Anyone may create a Personal Anatomy Thread here:
Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads Forum (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)

See this thread for information about creating a personal Anatomy Thread first:
FAQ: Can I Create My Own Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341167)

Links to all Personal Anatomy Threads can be found here:
Anatomy Threads of Individual Users (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2817397&postcount=12)

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>>Master Copy Resources<< (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354836)

I frequently recommend that people do Master Copies ~ it's a great way to learn the figure quickly. Doing Master Copies using a new software package also helps you to learn the software package quickly.

Click on link above to be taken to thread containing links to many Master Copy Resources. Freel free to post your results here!

I recommend setting a goal for doing a certain number of Master Copies per week ~ 5 optimally, but it depends on the amount of time you have. The main point is to do MANY of them, as the more you draw, the better you will become.

[Dreamy Kid]

allow me to roll the ball , here goes nothing:D, i did this quick sketch earlier this day

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/2618/ld14nr.jpg

slightly fixed
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6382/ld1b8dh.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,
Nice! Not so bad for a beginner! :wip: Ok, the first thing I notice is that the arms are too small for the rest of the body. Also, it's a tough thing to get the head / face to work with the body ~ something you will often see even master draughtsmen do is to do a larger study of the head on the side of their figurative drawings ~ drawing larger enables anyone to get more detail. I would suggest doing a larger, separate study of the head on a new page (if the drawing was not done from life). If the drawing was done from life, I would suggest using photo reference from the web of a head in a similar position to practice getting the relationship of major facial features. :) But you've got a great start, and hope to see more of your work! :)

Now, what I always ask new folks is to tell us a bit about your training and bkgrd. It helps me to know where people are coming from, and what type of artistic training they've had. :)

Thanks for this great suggestion!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Ceremei]

Well this seems to be an excellent place for me :D expect to see some WIPs from me soon!
(Since I am a starter with this whole forum as well)

But one question: what kinds of pictures are allowed? I mean, does it have to be an anatomy study or such?
Haha it seems I missed something there..

[Dreamy Kid]

thanks rebecca for the great input, i did fix it a bit on the hands and i think it's slightly better now :). i'll do more studies on the head, and i'll probably post some work soon. anyway, my background is 3d modelling, did a bit of character design, i also do some website design. Just recently, I'm working on this personal project, a 3d model of a man including all the muscle >__< i realized how little i know about human anatomy, i'm fascinated by it and decided to learn about it seriously. I've been drawing for a long time, but i think it's the time i learn it properly and seriously. I'm working on my own website where i'll put some of my work but for now i'll show you something from my past work so that you got a glimpse of what i've been doing.
here is some drawing i did a while a go, willy wonka and the oompa loompas :wip:
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8518/wonka2qz.jpg

and i drew this one af i watched the passion of christ
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/8967/forgotten9iy.jpg

i've been a quite a self learner all this time when it comes to drawing, i learn most of the things from this forum, books about drawing,figure drawing, and anatomy, lock my self for hours in my room haha. i would say that i got better and improve a lot after i learn all this things - i just wished i've learnt this earlier but i guess late is better than nothing at all, let me show you my drawing from last year...yeap this is my best drawing from last year hahaha :
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5726/sample4yi.jpg

thank you for the help, I do really enjoy this learning process :)

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

You have some nice work here! There is a girl in my current CGWorkshop class who draws in a similar manga style, and who similarly recognized that in order to improve in that style, she needed to study real anatomy. I think you've already recognized that one really must learn to draw realistically first, and learn to stylize second. :)

I definitely promote learning in 3 ways:

1. Drawing from life
2. Doing Master Copies ~ from Drawings, Sculptures, or Paintings
3. Doing copies from Anatomy books / plates

The following is a list of books which I highly recommend for any student, no matter what age, of anatomy:
Anatomy Resources : BOOKS (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257424)


"Artistic Anatomy", by Dr. Paul Richer - Watson Guptill, publisher (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823002977/002-6733442-6091234?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance)

"Anatomy Lessons From The Great Masters", by Robert Beverly Hale and Terence Coyle - Watson Guptill, publisher (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823002810/002-6733442-6091234?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance)

"Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist", by Stephen Rogers Peck - Oxford University Press, publisher (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195030958/002-6733442-6091234?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance)

"Dynamic Anatomy", by Burne Hogarth - Watson Guptill, publisher (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823015521/002-6733442-6091234?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance)

"Vilppu Drawing Manual", by Glenn Vilppu - (self-published) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1892053039/002-6733442-6091234?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance)

"The Human Machine: The Anatomical Structure and Mechanism of the Human Body", by George Bridgeman - Dover, publisher (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486227073/002-6733442-6091234?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance)

I have all of these books and more, but think that these are the best of the lot. I've done just tons of copies from "Anatomy Lessons From The Great Masters" and have found it to be an invaluable resource.

Learning Anatomy takes time, and there aren't really any shortcuts.

Set yourself some goals. For example, why not try in the next week to do 2-3 master copies? Or even just one, if there is not enough time to do more? The purpose is to start. :) Master drawings are easy to find on the web, if you don't have art books ~ I like Michelangelo, Pontormo, Leonardo, and Rubens. But there are just hundreds of artists to choose from. I really recommend Renaissance artists, however, as they are the best of the best in terms of figurative drawing. :)

Looking forward to seeing more work of yours! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

thank you, you hit me on the spot, i always draw in that kind of style and just realized that i need to learn drawing realistically to improve my drawing, kind of late after all this time, but oh well :). i got some of the books already, in fact i've just bought the atlas of human anatomy 2 weeks a go and find it really useful, i think i'll do some book shopping someday this week. so teacher, i guess my assignment for this week is make some master copy and do study on head ? ^__^ thanks reb i really appreciate all your help here , i hope you're not tired of me hehe :D

[Rebeccak]

Heheh, nope, I don't get tired of people unless they call me "Becky" :D in which case, they get the boot. :)

No problem! Yep, your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to do at least one master study this week, and hopefully 2-3. :) If you post your work by Sunday, I'll be a happy camper. ^_^

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

@dreamy kid: Nice ones! *claps*

Well, here goes some from me...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Centaur.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Studies_08-facefeatureseyes.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Studies_07-faces.jpg
These are the best of my latest "studies". Done with mechanical pencil in short breaks I take while programming. Sorry for the scripting on the back of the paper, but I use the back of useless papers as drafts :shrug:None of them with any reference, and some of them are unfinished.

About my artistic background... well, basically none :P I liked drawing since I was very young (about 4 or 5 -now I'm 25), but most of my life has been anime-oriented, so guess :rolleyes: I've tried almost every kind of digital art (besides pencil drawing), including photomanipulations, 3D modelling... Now I'm focusing both on getting the theory about drawing and painting (anatomy, colours...) and the technique (lots of training with pencil and the tablet), but as you can guess, I don't advance much without help and advices from professionals, so I decided to join the CGTalk community and learn from the best :)

Please, tell me what you think, specially my failures and how I could improve, thanks a lot!

[Rebeccak]

Kencho,

Great to see your work, and your eye studies in particular are quite beautiful! With the top image of the minotaur (is that right?) there are problems, which I think can only be remedied, I think, through the combination of life drawings, master copies, and copies of anatomy reference.

First ~ do you have any anatomy or art books from which you can make copies? And if so, what are their titles? Check out the list of books linked at the top of this thread ~ these are the books which I would highly recommend for anyone interested in Anatomy to have. If I were to choose just two, I would pick "Artistic Anatomy" and "Anatomy Lessons from the Great Masters". I think you can get years of mileage out of just these two books.

I would also add "Dynamic Anatomy" if you don't already have it and can afford it.

I also recommend picking up a few books from the really cheap Master Draughtsman Series of Paperback Books: as I wrote in the Anatomy Books thread, these are great books because they are cheap, light, and great for copying from, as you will not be concerned about destroying the book ~ they are really instructional devices, more than anything else. To find: run search for "master draughtsman series" on Amazon.com.

Once I know which books you have, would you be willing to take on an assignment? :) There's no magic formula for improvement ~ it's just practice, or "mileage" as they used to call it in school. :)

Well, I am off to run some errands / get some 'life' stuff done ;) but will be checkin' back later. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Thanks for the suggestions :) I don't own any book on this subject, but I think I can grab some of these from my local library :)
I would like to take on an assignment, yes. Just ask and I'll give it my best try ;)

Thanks a lot for the help you offer us here :bounce:

[Rebeccak]

Kencho,

No problem! :) When you get your books, let me know, and we'll take it from there. :)

Look forward to working with you! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

I feel honoured :) I'll take a look in the library tomorrow :) Can't wait to start :bounce:

[fredlovebot]

Great idea! It was a bit intimidating for me to post sketches and such in other threads but I guess its a little better here :)

Around a year ago I found out that it was quite fun to doodle and stuff, but I did never do so when I was a kid. Although i havnt painted at all this summer (Im into alot of videographing and photographing skateboarding and have been doing so for 2 years, so it kinda sucks up all my time(and money..) in the summer ^^). Never took classes and such, although Im having a class right now about product design. Looking forward to improving myself!

Heres two image of some recent work.
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1722/sub5rl.th.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sub5rl.jpg)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7769/skullsidesketchsmall9rf.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skullsidesketchsmall9rf.jpg)
Around 45min for this one, had alot of fun doing it! Loved to play around with values!

[Kencho]

Gorgnut, that skull looks great, and the values are perfect IMHO!

[fredlovebot]

:) :) Thank you!
I made it in Painter with just pure white, pure black and middle gray. First I did a little sketch and tried to nail the proportions correct. Then I used the Digital Airbrush and the "Just add water" blender (Blenders -> Just Add Water). The great thing about it was that it was so flexible! If you have a copy of Painter I suggest you to try it out, I didn't find it hard at all and it was great fun!

[Dreamy Kid]

:wavey:hey kencho and gorgnut welcome to this thread, nice to see you guys here

Becca, I've been out all day and i'm beat:scream:, i went to a local second hand book store and do some book shopping ^__^. I was able to find this book for a good deal ( everything under canadian $13:twisted: Dynamic anatomy by Burne Hogarth, Anatomy lessons from the great master, and drawing lessons from the great masters, glad to add them to my library :). i couldnt spend more time doing the book hunting since they were about to close, but i'll probably going back there someday this week. I havent drawn anything today:bowdown:, been busy working on some web design for clients and do some school project. i'll try to do some things tomorrow after school and post them later on, thanks

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

AWESOME!!! Those are some GREAT books, and I'm thrilled you've found them! Spent all day book shopping, eh? :) Well, look at it this way ~ you won't have to do that again, at least for Anat. books, for quite a while. :)

Alrighty then...I would just pick a few master drawings that you like from the Anatomy Lessons from the Great Masters book, and have at it! I would recommend either using 2B-4B pencils or my personal favorite, ballpoint pen for these studies, in a sketchbook. You may at one point want to get a fairly large (11x14) sketchbook, but really an 8.5 x 11" sketchbook should do. I know the sizes differ from country to country, but just use your best judgement ~ standard letter size or larger should suffice.

Looking forward to seeing your first copies! Let me know which pages you're copying from, so that I can look at the same reference. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

bec, before i forgot i actually have some question regarding drawing media, I always draw using 2b mechanical pencil, and rarely use regular pencil or ballpoint pen. I just thought that mechanical pencil give a fine sharp line and it's good for a study. do you think i should try regular pencil or ballpoint pen? I was planning to do some gesture drawing tomorrow just for warming up, i find it relaxing somehow hehe - maybe i should try experimenting using ballpoint or regular pencil just to get the feel of it? sorry this is sounds like a silly question :rolleyes:

[Rebeccak]

Hey, no, it's not really a silly question at all ~ there's really no 'right' media to use ~ I have my personal favorites, and one happens to be ballpoint pen ~ but that's just me. :) I think mechanical pencils are fine ~ whatever you are most comfortable with. When I did studies like these in school, I used both pencils and ballpoint pen. The thing I like about pen is that it forces you to concentrate, since you can't erase. This can sometimes be a blessing in disguise. :)

At any rate, the materials you use are totally up to you. :) The only thing I would recommend is to use decent quality sketchbook paper. But, if you don't have any, any paper should do. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Well, I went to my university library and found only these two:
- Drawing Dynamic Hands (Burne Hogarth)
- Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing From Life (George Bridgman)
Anyway, seems that Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy will be returned soon, so I'll try to pick it as soon as possible.
Something interesting from those books, or I'll have to google for something? :)

[Rebeccak]

Kencho,

These are both great books! I would say, as your first assignment, to just choose 2~3 drawings from these books, and do copies in a sketchbook, using either pencil or ballpoint pen. Post your results here in one week, and we will give them a review! :)

Also, be sure to post the page 3#s of the images you will be copying, so that I can refer to the same reference. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Your wish is my command :D

[Rebeccak]

LOL! :scream: Looking forward to seeing your work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

my instructor at college was teaching boring html, so I spent the time read the thread about gesture drawing lol. anyway I did a few gesture drawings today ^__^ it's relaxing and help me to loosen up,( i'll post some tomorrow) and hopefully not too tired to do some head study tonight before i went to sleep.

been scanning through my book and looking for a master work to copy, hopefully i'll do good on it :)

good luck with your assignment kencho, i'm working on it as well and try my best to finish it before sunday, we dont want to get a detention from teacher becca ,do we?

[Rebeccak]

good luck with your assignment kencho, i'm working on it as well and try my best to finish it before sunday, we dont want to get a detention from teacher becca ,do we?
:D *snickers* :)

[me_aaeem]

hi guys...thanks for opening this thread...rebecca i've been following your anatomy threads and trying to learn life drawing...it's really fun...i'm actually quite shy to post my drawing is quite messy in style ^_^...i dunno but i can only draw while in this fast-sketchy style....i tend to hv a "critical thinking" if i draw slowly, patiently and detaily...i really want to improve my strokes...any tips guys? thanks...

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4165/lifedrawing27lm.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1449/lifedrawing1vp.jpg

*sorry for the broken english ^_^;

[Rebeccak]

me_aaeem,

Welcome aboard! It's nice to see your work, you've got some really nice stuff here! :) Not much time to post now, but would you be willing to do a few anatomy exercises on this thread? :)

Also, what is your training and background? :)

Cheers, and welcome! :)

~Rebeccak

[me_aaeem]

hi rebecca ^_^v

i'm now a sophomore at my uni...i hv basics in photography, video editting and 3d...

here they mainly teach on software and design works, so there's very little touched on fine arts but just art basics...there's no life drawing classes here...i really like to learn it...i picked up a book on the subject "The Natural Way to Draw (Nicolaides)" and use any pictures i can find to learn it and also read anatomy threads from cgtalk and conceptart...

thanks for the offer...i'm very happy to do exercises in this forum...

i'll try to pickup some life drawing books in next few days...looking foward to learn from you and everbody...

cheers...

[Cavematty]

Hey Reb (since thats what u are going by in here.)
im in on this cos i need some reason to practise.
At my job i get an hour for lunch so Im going to start doing anatomy practise during that time. Im going to pick up "Anatomy Lessons from the great masters" on my way to work tomorrow. (i just checked onlineand its available).
Any particulars for the assignment?
or should i just get the book and get moving, knocking back mileage on the road to greatness ?? xD

by the way thanks for tirelessly posting and replying. You devote a lot of energy to such threads here on CG talk. Know it is appreciated.

Oh - as for my training and background - i have just completed (as in 2weeks ago - yah me) a Bachelor Degree in Design at Massey University in Wellington NZ. My major was 3D animation, but i did some illustration and life drawing papers during it. However i didnt apply myself that well in papers other than animation - and now i want to improve in my drawing and illustration skills. Especially in anatomy and i REALLY would like to be good at portraiture. I can get a likeness now but im not happy with my work. Ill scan some stuff in 2moro maybe and show u some examples.
I work for a web design company (only as of the past 2 weeks) so far designing avatars and such for them. I always planned to get into 3D character animation, and while i have done a little contract work in that area recently too, I am more open to my career moving in an organic direction than i was while still studying.
ha. thats a life story huh?
cool
till then

[Rebeccak]

@me_aaeemm

Thanks for that! It's always interesting for me to know something about you guys, everyone has diverse backgrounds, so it's cool to hear! :) Check out some of the books listed above, remember that they may be available at your local library!

I will try tonight to get together a little exercise to post for everyone here who is interested in doing one. I think it's great to see your guys' enthusiasm! Anyone is welcome to join in at any point. :)

@Cavematty,

Thanks!! It's nothing but fun for me. :) I am happy to help people who are motivated to draw and paint the human figure! :)

Looking forward to seeing your work, and as I mentioned above, I will try to post a little exercise tonight. However, if you just want to go ahead and take 2-3 master drawings and start right in on doing copies, I would not be opposed! :)

I would use either pencil (2 - 4B) or ballpoint pen to do these studies, on good (decent) sketchbook paper. :)

Looking forward to your posts!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[fredlovebot]

Alright, trying to find time for some sketches inbetween my math and physics studies (big tests coming up). Also loaned a book about known European Sculptures from A.D 1000-1800. There were some good references in there that Im going to try and use as reference.

From Workshop 08 (i think)
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5319/workshop2small5bt.jpg

Tear it apart people! :D

[me_aaeem]

found and borrowed "drawing lessons fromt the great masters" from the library today...did this master copy from page 223 during between classes...

i some questions regarding copying from the masters...

1)what are the things that I need to concentrate while learning this way, is it to make exact resemblence? anatomy/pose/gesture? the essence of the work?

2)from your experience which is a better approach? doing master copy with various styles? or try to assimilate the master's style?

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6015/lifedrawing36dr.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Hey, you guys! Good to see your work here. I'll post some comments soon. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[CalvinChoy]

Hi everyone,

I just got my wacom tablet and want to start drawing. I am totally new to the drawing, I'm thinking to copy some anatomy drawings. Does it matter with which part im starting ? arms, legs head etc. . maybe some parts are easy to start with ?

thnx in advance

[Rebeccak]

Calvin_C,

Welcome aboard! :) Have you ever done any traditional drawing before? It's okay if you haven't, I am just curious so I can know where you are coming from. Can you tell us a bit about your background and training, and how you came to be interested in figurative art? :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[CalvinChoy]

Hi rebeccak :)

Well, from origin im actually webdesigner. I have played photoshop for years, but never used it for painting, only for retouching and layout design, I know nothing about all the brush settings for painting in photoshop. i've also done some 3D modeling in maya . . but that changed after I found out all the stuff you can make with painting in photoshop.

I discovered this forum when I was reading a magazine, just surfed by and I was amazed by the paintings . . Actually i've been trolling this forum for a while, but always had problem to get started heheh, I got my tablet . . so I think i should be ready to go =/ And finally . . I followed some basic drawing dvd's from vilppu.

simply said, my background training for drawing is zero . . well maybe a little bit more now after the training videos and all the forum trolling :p

Hope this helped a little :)

[Rebeccak]

Calvin_C,

Hey, that's really helpful to know, I'm glad to see that you are finally posting after perusing the forum, and it's particularly helpful to know that you've watched some Vilppu DVD's. :thumbsup: I have not personally seen them, but have his book and know well his approach ~ it's basically the same approach as I was trained in in school, and so I am familiar with the basic principles which he teaches. I will have a bit more time to post more later (my apologies for not posting a true exercise yet) but I would recommend as a start to just test out your Wacom (and this may seem silly) by doing a bunch of scribbly lines with varying line weights (remember that Wacom's are pressure sensitive) and also drawing a bunch of basic shapes that you are familiar with from 3D ~ spheres, cubes, cylinders, toruses, cones, etc ~ just draw several "pages" of these to get warmed up. This is particularly useful because all basic figurative drawing starts out with the basic principle of constructing human form out of basic primitive shapes. Vilppu calls the basic torso a 'peanut' shape, and it is the most useful concept I've come across in terms of expressing human form simply. Draw a bunch of organic shapes first, and feel free to post your results here!

As for Photoshop settings, I recommend using the Airbrush setting for your brush, and using the color black on a white bkgrd (create a new layer above your bkgrd for your brushstrokes) and work in a decently large format ~ say 800 x 600 at 72 dpi, or 600 x 800, whatever ~ and just get in there and start doodling! The main bit at this point is to get familiar with the feel of the Wacom tablet. :)

And, as I say, post those doodles!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

ASSIGNMENT 1: GESTURE DRAWING FROM REFERENCE


As an assignment, I would choose 2~3 drawings OR reference images of your choice, give yourself 1 WEEK, and post your results here! :) Whatever stage you are at is fine ~ if you are just testing your wacom, that is fine.

What I recommend is the following: for each of the Reference images you choose to work from, do 3 timed poses. Start from the beginning with each drawing ~ don't build on top of just one drawing, but do 3 SEPARATE drawings.

So, for instance, if you were to draw from, say, a master copy:

1. Do a 2 minute drawing from the master copy.

Capture the ESSENCE. Draw fast. Get down the essential information. Do not draw details at this stage!

2. Do a 5 minute drawing from the master copy.

Same deal. Capture the most information you can. Think gesture!

3. Do a 15 minute drawing from the master copy.

Again, the emphasis is on speed!

Here is a good example of a Gesture Drawing:

http://www.cwturner.com/portfolio_lg/gesture_girl.jpg
http://www.cwturner.com/portfolio_lg/gesture_girl.jpg

Work in the medium of your choice.


Don't be shy about your efforts! Post your work here ~ we're all here to learn! :)

Looking forward to seeing everyone's work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

Hi rebecca,

I am not sure I got this increasing timer thingy right as it's an advice of yours for the sketchathon, too:

I do three separate sketches of 2,5 and 15 so they add up to an overall 22 or do I continue on the 2-min-sketch til I reach the 5 minutes and then for another ten so I spent fifteen minutes all in all?

I think I will use my sketch in sketchathon as a basis for the OFDW008. As a matter of fact, the creative explosion in the sketchathon is almost scary. Think I will try to get some gestures rolling in here and at the same time try to come up with something proper in the OFDW...

I think I lost some weight´on this CGdiet - it all boils down to forgetting about the meals altogether:p

[CalvinChoy]

Hey rebaccak, thnx for getting me started. I started right away yesterday, and did some more this morning. I probably missed your gesture post ( different time-zone i guess ), will try to do some gesture later on.

anyway I drawed 3 pages. When I woke up in the morning today and looked at what I've drawed yesterday night on page one, I had to laugh lol . . . guess it was too late :p

cheers :)

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by Mr. Mu: Do I do three separate sketches of 2,5 and 15 so they add up to an overall 22
Yep! DO NOT do just 1 drawing from one Reference image. Do 3 Drawings from 1 Reference image.

Such that:

From 1 Reference image you do:
- one 2 minute drawing
- one 5 minute drawing
- one 15 minute drawing

These are not cumulative! Start from scratch on each drawing in terms of time. :)

I think I will use my sketch in sketchathon as a basis for the OFDW008. As a matter of fact, the creative explosion in the sketchathon is almost scary. Think I will try to get some gestures rolling in here and at the same time try to come up with something proper in the OFDW...
Great! I think the Sketchathon thread is the perfect launching point from a fast drawing to one that is more complex. Perfect! :) Scary, but good. :thumbsup:

I think I lost some weight´on this CGdiet - it all boils down to forgetting about the meals altogether:p
LMAO! :scream:

~~

Originally posted by Calvin_C: Hey rebaccak, thnx for getting me started. I started right away yesterday, and did some more this morning. I probably missed your gesture post ( different time-zone i guess ), will try to do some gesture later on.

anyway I drawed 3 pages. When I woke up in the morning today and looked at what I've drawed yesterday night on page one, I had to laugh lol . . . guess it was too late :p
No prob! :) Hehe, that's the point ~ get the practice out of the way. That last page looks good!! Looking forward to seeing your Gesture Drawings. No worries, I posted it at around 1 am my time. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kopprsnake]

I'm new to posting in here, but I've been lurking for a while, probably hoping for a beginners thread like this.

Anyhoo, I've always had an interest in drawing/painting and CG art, but apart from doodling and dabbling with various aspects of 3D, I haven't taken my interest further. Due to my lack of a traditional arts background I found it difficult to develop my ideas, and this limited the things I could do in 3D. After several unsuccessful attempts to work around it, I decided to teach myself drawing/painting skills with the help of books. Recently I joined an evening class in drawing/painting to enhance my learning, and now all the bits and bobs I've picked up over the years are starting to fit together. My focus on 3D has taken a back-seat for the time being, while I get up to speed with drawing/painting.

Below is a link to a drawing I have been working on in my art class; a copy of 'Morning Sun' by Edward Hopper. It is one of the few 'proper' drawings I have done since I was at school and the only tonal/chiaro-scuro drawing I have ever done, but I have learned quite a lot while doing it.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/HopperCopy.jpg

[Mu]

Hi everyone,

background: amateur enthusiast. no courses. I have always loved to draw. Never been good at it, though. I tried watercolor and pastels (pastel chalk) for a while, but gave it up, coz I sucked, really. Then I discovered a 30-days-painter demo, adequate freeware and a tablet for 15€. I ignited again and I cannot tell you how I love to ctrl+z things when with traditional media I had to throw away big sheets of paper and feel bad for a week.

I plan to go back to traditional one day, though.

In the meantime I shall get better.

the Plan: get good at anatomy, do an anatomy thread, study in the OFDWs, get good at sketching, work through all of my ressources

Ressources:
- all of the loomis books as pdf (currently working on the "hands"-section in "fun with a pencil")
- burne hogarth: drawing dynamic hands, drawing the human head(english title?)
- everything online, it's a bounty!

sorry for the weird lines in the drawings - that's because I often draw while doing business calls at work on my statistics sheet!

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/9413/mrmuretrospective0cl.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Kopprsnake,

Welcome aboard, we're glad to have you! I think this thread was a good idea too, so thanks to Dreamy Kid for the notion! :)

Will have a better chance to look at your work later this evening. Thanks for telling us about yourself! All hobbyists and enthusiasts are welcomed! :)

Mr. Mu,

Sounds like a good plan! Thanks for the background info, it is helpful to me and also interesting. Looking forward to working with you, and laughing all along the way! :)

Will definitely check out your work later on. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

oh, rebecca! This task is driving me mad. I had been feeling like I had improved a bit over the last four weeks especially and now this...
I took a timer software and artweaver (http://www.artweaver.de)

2mins
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9219/indiandancer2mins3ve.jpg

5mins
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9254/indiandancer5mins1qy.jpg
15mins
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5275/indiandancer15mins1rq.jpg

why oh why and how have i become so bad again:cry::cry:?
Could be my crappy equipment - i will try this now with pencil/sketchbook, but can not post it as I do not have a scanner at home...

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

Never fear! Good drawings days are like good hair days, they come and go. :) I actually really like your 2 minute sketch ~ I would encourage you to do more of these! It's okay to have a drawing day that you don't consider to be your best ~ there is an old art school saying that the first 500 drawings you do are just to get the bad ones out. It's TOTALLY true ~ I have just heaps of bad drawings that I keep just to taunt me. Really, for every 7~10 drawings I do, I will get maybe one worth saving. Drawing is not an exact science, and your mood, environment, and lots of other factors can affect how you draw on any given day. Don't despair ~ make judgements on a batch of drawings, not just one or two.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

hello peeps, sorry for havent posted in the past 2 days....work and college has been brutal, <i hate groupwork:argh:>. So happy to see more people join this thread, the more the merrier. I'm trying my best to draw and learn at least 2 hours a day. so far so good. been doing some gesture drawing this past dew days, and following the mini excercise, thanks a lot becca I learnt alot.

The main problem I found :
sometimes it's hard for me to get a conclusion of shape from the body part, so i end up with a weird shape sometimes. In my humble opinion, One thing i found useful to cure this "syndrome" is to get a good understanding of shape conclusion. therefore blocking the body with simple shape really helps. yesterday I did a quick 15 min master copy gesture drawing, and i wasnt happy with that, kind of frustrating - you know that there was something's wrong with but dont know what's wrong and dont know how to fix. so i stop drawing for a while, sit back, and grab my collection of anatomy book. I did some practice using Andrew loomis' manequin. I hope my sharing is useful for you guys.

This is the drawing i did before i did the practice

Michelangelo B - The Risen Christ - Anatomy Lesson from the Great Masters page 42
15 minutes

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4646/res1b6hg.jpg

and this is the after :bounce:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/366/res17se.jpg

I think i see a bit improvement in the second picture, well hopefully there is :D.

I'll definitely will do some more practice this weekend and post some more, thanks for the mini tut bec:thumbsup:

[Dreamy Kid]

Rebeccak
Never fear! Good drawings days are like good hair days, they come and go. :) I actually really like your 2 minute sketch ~ I would encourage you to do more of these! It's okay to have a drawing day that you don't consider to be your best ~ there is an old art school saying that the first 500 drawings you do are just to get the bad ones out. It's TOTALLY true ~ I have just heaps of bad drawings that I keep just to taunt me. Really, for every 7~10 drawings I do, I will get maybe one worth saving.

thats true bec, sometimes i even scared to open my sketch book, I have more bad drawings than the not-so-bad one, i sometimes even scared to show people my sketch book. I feel like i want to rip off all the bad drawing and left the good one haha, but when i look back at my old sketch book, I noticed the improvement, so i'll just keep learning and enjoy it ^__^. the first 500 drawings are the bad ones eh, so i guess 500 and counting down for me haha

[Kencho]

Wonderful sketches everybody! Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:
Two from Burne Hogarth's "Drawing Dynamic Hands"
(page 98; Approximately 45 mins)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Hogarth_DynamicHands_pg98.jpg
(Page 109; Approximately 30 mins)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Hogarth_DynamicHands_pg109.jpg
I'll start working with Bridgman's as soon as possible (I've been quite busy lately)

[CalvinChoy]

Hi everyone,

I just snatched some reference pictures from OFDW008, since my books are not arriving soon :S, probably after xmas i think, I do bought a book with all the work of michelangelo, i will try to copy something if i got time. School and stuff is driving me crazy, during the week im at campus, and my wacom tablet is at home :( but i will try to draw something everyday with paper and pencils :)

It's getting late here, I just finished 1 reference drawing, a 2 minute sketch and a 7 minute sketch, would love to do the 15 mins one if i had more time, I know nothing about shading .. actually i dont know what to do with the 15 mins sketch . . . what detail can i add, my drawing is a mess already :p I think adding small details will get worse hehe. . dont want to think about drawing the little eyes and stuff.

http://www.c-styled.com/cgtalk/a1.jpg

http://www.c-styled.com/cgtalk/a2.jpg
When drawing this reference, I found out that my main problem is:

- proportions

- giving the body parts the right direction and shape, had lots of difficulity with drawing the arms, hands, feet and especially the legs were horrible to draw . . had to redo a couple times and it still looks kinda wierd =/.

I'm happy that more people are joining :) It's always fun to see work from others, and ofcourse . . . learn from each other :D

Well, im heading to bed now, have fun drawing everyone.

ciao

[Mu]

dreamykid - i see a lot of improvement, too. really dynamic. I practised the loomis mannequin, too. Did you erase that from the drawing?

kencho - i immediately recognised the hand plates from BH's book! I think they are excellent. What are you hanging out here for?:scream:

calvin_c - cool you are around. With the help of master kimmel all shall be well...


Rebecca. I am sort of stubborn. I said to myself: "500 huh? let's get it over with..." So I downloaded all of the references in the sketchathon thread and started 2 minute sketches.

Somehow I wanted to grind out a "good hair day" for me. I just did 26 of them :banghead:and will take my sketchbook with me. I have a scanner at the office...gonna post them tomorrow. need sleep now. sentences lack subject. this one even verb.


*forehead plonks in desk*

[Dreamy Kid]

hey mu, i did som practice with it, but when i actually draw it i dont redraw the manequin 100% ( including the skeleton and everything :rolleyes:hehe), but you probably can still see the torso part. i find it useful to learn the conlusion of shape. for the other part of the body like the arm for example, i usually just use cylinder and try to get the basic proportion right ^__^. ah i dont feel like good enough to tell you this thing, but i love to share things that had been helpful, at least for me. cheers

[Rebeccak]

Originally posted by gorgnut: Heres two image of some recent work.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1722/sub5rl.th.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sub5rl.jpg)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7769/skullsidesketchsmall9rf.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skullsidesketchsmall9rf.jpg)
Gorgnut, sorry, I missed your post! Did you do the Skull for the Anatomy Review, or on your own? At any rate, you've got a good start with the value studies here!

Glad to have you on the thread and forum. :)

Originally posted by me_aaeem:

1)what are the things that I need to concentrate while learning this way, is it to make exact resemblence? anatomy/pose/gesture? the essence of the work?
For a short, 2-5-15 minute pose, you want to concentrate on the gesture and essence.
For a longer pose, you want to do the above first, and try to sustain it through to the end of a finished piece. You don't want to sacrifice the Gesture to the Anatomy. You could put millions of rendered muscles on a figure, but if the Gesture is wrong, the whole drawing will be off. Get the Gesture FIRST. Always. :)

2)from your experience which is a better approach? doing master copy with various styles? or try to assimilate the master's style?
I think it's best to try to copy the master's style as closely as possible at first. By 'at first' I mean for as long as you feel you are learning from that master's style ~ it could be months, or even years. But I also feel it's good to take different approaches to learning how to draw simultaneously. For example, I think it's a good idea to do rendered Anatomy studies of bones and muscles at the same time as doing Gestures etc. :)

Kencho,

Verrry nice pieces! Are you sure you are such a beginner? While you could refine your linework a bit, these are quite lovely studies. :) Great to see your post!

Calvin_C,

Nice to see your work! Keep at it...the key here is mileage. :)

Dreamy Kid,
That is indeed a nice improvement! :wip: The opposing curves in your second piece are really quite beautiful...you're definitely headed in the right direction! I look forward to seeing more results from your practice sessions. :)

Sorry if I've missed anyone...you guys are all doing a good job!!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

weee finally you're back hehe, thanks for the review bec, I still need to work on my speed though:sad:, my drawing is so slow. my 2 and 5 min drawing end up way more than that, sometimes i just get confused and have to stare for a while at the model & my drawing. hopefully my speed will be getting faster as i do more practice.

just noticed the snow at your avatar, thats the christmas spirit :)

[Mu]

ah i dont feel like good enough to tell you this thing

nono, man - you needn't be good neither to tell someone what his drawings are missing nor to tell someone how you approach things.

but i love to share things that had been helpful
exactly: it *is* helpful to see how others are working. Keeps you wondering about what else you could change in order to improve.

HEre's what became of my spite-driven 2min-solo-sketchathon of yesterday's night when I did not want to have a bad-draw-day - I had this timer software running and it was like a "gong" in the boxing ring for me...:scream: (graphite/little sketchbook - 2 mins each):

http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/3134/2minsketches6at.jpg

[Kencho]

Mr. Mu, Rebecca: Yup, I'm quite noob indeed. I think the other sketches I posted in the sketchathon can testify many of my problems. My main problem with anatomy is to put the correct proportions and directions (I have a secondary problem about my muscles knowledge, so some forms are usually... wrong. In the legs, for instance). These books are really helping me indeed, but I've noticed that I don't advance without some kind of advice on my drawings (my friends just say "wow, you draw amazingly", though I can see *lots* of failures on them), and that's why I joined here. Anyways if you think I shouldn't be here, I can open a different thread and work there :shrug:
But thanks a lot for your comments, I really really appreciate them ^__^

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

2 min. drawings are tough, I'll try to point out some stuff very soon with respect to doing them. :) You're doing great! It takes a while to get the hang of. Just keep practicing, and you will get faster! :)

Mr. Mu,

LOL, you've had a good drawing day! :thumbsup: There are lots of nice sketches here, you are to be congratulated! Hehe, maybe there aren't 500 yet, but you'll get there! :)

Kencho,

You're welcome to post wherever you feel comfortable! :) I like the group setting, frankly, it makes things easier for me. And I think it ensures more interaction. So cool ~ post away! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

Rebecca, I have two questions at the end of my post.

but first of all:

Anyways if you think I shouldn't be here, I can open a different thread and work there :shrug:

No! I mean, yea, if you are going to have your own thread, why not. But stay in this one, too by all means. I just wanted to express how very much un-noobian these Hogarth studies looked like!

Hehe, maybe there aren't 500 yet, but you'll get there!
yea, gimme another week or so...:wise:

:argh:

:scream:

thanks for the congrats. This really turned out to be very instructive(?). I had a problem with my gesture sketches which stems from the fact that loomis "told me" to construct poses via his skeletal framework and building the figure from within, while in your gesture lesson you make use of a much looser approach (peanut-shaped torso etc.) - I was confused.
You should keep in mind I am german (of turkish origin, but you know what I mean, don't you...;-)) and as such I am fond of rules. Give me a set of rules and I can set to work.

Now, give me a set of contradictive rules and I will sit down (not on the grass as it is verboten) and wait for a police officer to tell me what is allowed and what is not.

But yesterday I just figured: "to hell with instructions! I'll just draw what I see..."

QUESTION 1: What should I do for future gestures? Just somehow do it? Go for a skeletal framework? Use The Peanut? Or is the loomis-framework only used for things which can take more time?


QUESTION 2: I reread the whole oppposing curves thread the other day(s) and it said there you were going to provide info on color theory, but I could not find it. Is this cancelled?

[Dreamy Kid]

one thing i've been meaning to ask you bec,

when i draw a figure i always decide roughly the height of the figure using the head measurement system, basically measuring body parts according to the head, because i want to get a good proportion. lets say, the chest is 1 head away from the chin, something like that. sometimes i do this measurement very fast using my fingers. I've been wondering if this method is bad in a long run, or is it common for beginner to do this? thanks:lightbulb

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

Check out The Anatomy Thread of Redehlert, post #18:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297665&page=2&pp=15

which shows a proportional diagram using the measuring system of heads.

There's really no 'bad' way of doing things ~ it's what works for you. :) I recommend trying to copy this proportions chart freehand. Really, learning proportions is a matter of doing a lot of drawings. The 2 minute poses are great for this! You can basically quickly represent the head with a circle, the major central axis of the body with a fluid line, and the limbs as offshoots of that central line. Then you can begin to develop the torso as a peanut shape, with the upper torso being a sort of ellipse, and the lower torso being a shorter, more rounded ellipse. I'll try to post some examples of this later, probably this weekend. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

Check out The Anatomy Thread of Redehlert, post #18:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297665&page=2&pp=15

which shows a proportional diagram using the measuring system of heads.

There's really no 'bad' way of doing things ~ it's what works for you. :) I recommend trying to copy this proportions chart freehand. Really, learning proportions is a matter of doing a lot of drawings. The 2 minute poses are great for this! You can basically quickly represent the head with a circle, the major central axis of the body with a fluid line, and the limbs as offshoots of that central line. Then you can begin to develop the torso as a peanut shape, with the upper torso being a sort of ellipse, and the lower torso being a shorter, more rounded ellipse. I'll try to post some examples of this later, probably this weekend. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Mr. Mu, don't worry, I understood what you said ;) Just that maybe I thought I was a noob and you didn't consider me one :) Thanks for the comments everybody. I'll open a new thread for myself (not leaving this one) as soon as I do my copies from Bridgman's :)

You're doing a great work, I feel really comfortable here surrounded by all this talent!:bounce:

[Kencho]

PS: Rebeccak, could you make this thread sticky? I think it would be really useful for anyone who comes to this forum, and maybe they don't notice if it's too low in the list:bounce:

[Rebeccak]

Kencho,

My apologies, there are too many Stickies already ;) but if you guys keep posting, the thread should stay near the top of the list. :)

Never fear, however, as this thread is linked here:

Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525
(see last post)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

LOL, sorry, didn't notice the 9 sticky ones, hahaha ^^; It's okay, was just an idea I had :)

[Rebeccak]

No problem! :)

Cheers,

~Rk

[Mu]

hi,

just did another 30 2min-sketches. Will try to borrow a scanner from a friend of mine tomorrow.

Rebecca, I believe due to your overwhelming activities you missed two questions I had earlier today. Don't mean to get on your nerves, but I'll include them in this post, too, for convenience.

I had a problem with my gesture sketches which stems from the fact that loomis "told me" to construct poses via his skeletal framework and building the figure from within, while in your gesture lesson you make use of a much looser approach (peanut-shaped torso etc.) - I was confused.
You should keep in mind I am german (of turkish origin, but you know what I mean, don't you...;-)) and as such I am fond of rules. Give me a set of rules and I can set to work.

Now, give me a set of contradictive rules and I will sit down (not on the grass as it is verboten) and wait for a police officer to tell me what is allowed and what is not.

But yesterday I just figured: "to hell with instructions! I'll just draw what I see..."

QUESTION 1: What should I do for future gestures? Just somehow do it? Go for a skeletal framework? Use The Peanut? Or is the loomis-framework only used for things which can take more time?


QUESTION 2: I reread the whole oppposing curves thread the other day(s) and it said there you were going to provide info on color theory, but I could not find it. Is this cancelled?

As I said: don't mean to shove - just thought you might not have seen them:)

[Rebeccak]

Mr. Mu,

Sorry to have missed your post! :D ~No, it's hard to get on my nerves by asking questions. :)

Can't really answer in depth atm, but I find that bit about your German heritage dictating that you learn according to rules rather hilarious...:D ~trust me, I understand! :)

Will try to post some thoughts re: Gesture in a bit. With respect to a formal system, have you ever seen any of Glenn Vilppu's work? He has a Drawing Manual which is linked in the Anatomy Books Sticky (I think) at the top of this forum. It spells out pretty clearly the formal system that is looser than Loomis'.

Will post more soon. :)

In the meantime, follow your instincts ~ remember that there is not 'wrong' approach. I think that learning how to draw is a matter of learning a number of different systems, and then combining them into your own (everyone filters information differently).

I can understand how different systems can be confusing, however. It's taken me years to synthesize the various approaches I was taught in school. I think Lautrec, or someone of his era, said that it took him just as many years to forget what he had learned in school as it had taken him to learn it. Believe me, drawing is no simple task! But the process can be quite rewarding.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

No, it's hard to get on my nerves by asking questions. :)

that's cool cause I am rather talkative when it comes to learning:D

With respect to a formal system, have you ever seen any of Glenn Vilppu's work? He has a Drawing Manual which is linked in the Anatomy Books Sticky (I think) at the top of this forum. It spells out pretty clearly the formal system that is looser than Loomis'.


ah, I will go and take a look

Will post more soon. :)

always looking forward to it



In the meantime, follow your instincts ~ remember that there is not 'wrong' approach. I think that learning how to draw is a matter of learning a number of different systems, and then combining them into your own (everyone filters information differently).


*sighs* yeah, I need to let go of that "Look, did I do it the right way?"-approach. So I think I'll just drink in everything til the approach that works best for me comes more or less natural...got you right mace rebecca?



I think Lautrec, or someone of his era, said that it took him just as many years to forget what he had learned in school as it had taken him to learn it. Believe me, drawing is no simple task! But the process can be quite rewarding.

yea, i often compare what people tell me here with what I had to go through in my process of becoming a guitar player. It's been pretty much the same. It's funny how these processes resemble each other though the artforms are so different. And it's funnier still how I can't figure this out though I have been through all this in another attempt at learning craftmanship. you never stop learning - that's fun!

Thank you so much for everything you do here!:love:

[Rebeccak]

Hehe, thanks, Mr. Mu! I enjoy it quite a lot.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

i was curious and checked some of vilppu's work on his studio website, it looks really interesting :), i'm planning to purchase it soon. ( gosh i've been spending money on this bundle of graphic design magazine today, so might have to wait for a while hehe:) for me, It's always interesting to learn something from different point of view, even if it does cover the same thing :scream:. I think thats how i've been learning all this time hahah. I've been learning a lot from walt reed. loomis and jack hamm, each one of them cover things from different point of view and different explanation.

I was checking the cgworkshop page earlier , and noticed that becca taught one of the workshop. ack i wish i had know this earlier :sad:, bec next time you have another workshop please let me know, i'm sooooooooo looking forward for it:)

yeay finally its weekend, you guys have a good weekend :thumbsup:

[lunat1k]

Here are a few eye studies I did yesterday. It took approximately 20-30 minutes for each one in Photoshop using Wacom Volito 2 tablet. The first two were done with reference, the third one without.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/eyes.jpg

The hardest part so far is those dark speckles in the iris, I just can't seem to get them right.

[Kencho]

My two asignments from Bridgman's. Tried the 2-5-15 method. It's wonderful!
(pg. 12)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Bridgman_DrawingFromLife_pg12.jpg
(pg. 28)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Bridgman_DrawingFromLife_pg28.jpg
Suggestions?

[Mu]

lunat1k - I think all of these are good. As concerns the iris, higher resolution of the pic and a spackled brush could solve the problem. Also, be sure to check out Linda's eye-tutorial (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=227727)

kencho - I esp. like the 2nd one! Nice curves.

[Kencho]

Mr. Mu: Thanks a lot ^^

lunat1k: I prepared this quick mini-tutorial about how to draw (how I draw) iris and cornea. Hope you find it useful:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Iris_tutorial1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Kencho,

That's brilliant, thanks for posting! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Much welcome :) One of the purposes of this thread is to share experience and help other beginners, right? ;)

[Rebeccak]

Right you are Kencho! :applause:

[Rebeccak]

lunat1k,

Really nice studies! I'm thrilled to see Kencho's demo ~ I think it should really help! :)

Kencho,

Forgot to mention, your 2-5-15 studies are looking good! Keep doing those, I think they are the best exercise I can recommend to anyone learning how to draw. :) Hmm, I don't recall seeing examples of your digital paintings here ~ though you are obviously familiar with digital painting from your eye tut. Definitely post! :thumbsup:

Mr. Mu,

I haven't forgotten about the Gesture bit, but understand that it may take me a while as A) I just finished the CGWorkshop meaning that I have 2 months of cleaning to catch up on this weekend and B) My gesture drawings from my olden school days are at my folks' house, and I will have to retrieve them in order to take photos of my *quite embarrassing* school drawings. ;) But I will be posting stuff intermittently this weekend. In the meantime, I definitely encourage you to partake in the 15 MS using the 2-5-15 method which I think is working well for everyone! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rk

[HellBoy]

Hi Rebeccak, wow you're pushing to 6k posts :eek:

this is really awesome stuff, everytime I decide to study anatomy I get distracted by something els but now I'm dead serious, I'll defenetly participate :thumbsup:

[Kencho]

Rebecca, thanks a lot for the support, you're really helping me a lot. Do you think there is something in particular I should focus my training on? I guess proportions aren't right, and will try training that for now, what do you think?
About my digital paintings, well, I've played a lot with OpenCanvas in the past, and I'm getting used to Photoshop right now :) I posted a couple of them in the Sketchathon thread, and will keep posting some soon in some other threads, I guess. You can see my best (that doesn't mean "good" :P) artworks in my gallery at deviantart http://kencho.deviantart.com/ if you're curios about it.

Thanks again for the help you're offering here, I really appreciate it!

[lunat1k]

Mr. Mu, thanks for the pointers and for reminding me of Linda's tutorial.
Kencho, thank you for the time you took to make this tutorial. I'll see what I can pull out of it.
Rebecca, thanks for the reply.

[Rebeccak]

ASSIGNMENT 2: MASTER COPY MINI 2-5-10 SKETCHATHON


For your next assignment, I propose doing a 2-5-10 minute set of drawings from Master Drawings which I will post here. You have 1 WEEK, and post your results here! :) Whatever stage you are at is fine ~ if you are just testing your wacom, that is fine.

What I recommend is the following: for each of the Master Drawing Reference images you choose to work from, do 3 timed poses. Start from the beginning with each drawing ~ don't build on top of just one drawing, but do 3 SEPARATE drawings.

So, for these Reference Master Drawings:

1. Do a 2 minute drawing from the Master Drawing.

Capture the ESSENCE. Draw fast. Get down the essential information. Do not draw details at this stage!

2. Do a 5 minute drawing from the Master Drawing.
Same deal. Capture the most information you can. Think gesture!

3. Do a 15 minute drawing from the Master Drawing.
Again, the emphasis is on speed!

Here is a good example of a Gesture Drawing:


http://www.cwturner.com/portfolio_lg/gesture_girl.jpg

http://www.cwturner.com/portfolio_lg/gesture_girl.jpg

Here are the Master Drawings to be copied in 2-5-10 Minute drawings:

http://www.artofeurope.com/rubens/rub2.jpg
http://www.artofeurope.com/rubens/rub2.jpg



http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/news/ntm4/Images/ntm6-1-1.jpg
http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/news/ntm4/Images/ntm6-1-1.jpg


>>>LARGE IMAGE LINK<<< (http://167.206.67.171/WebImages/FA_Images/hersced/RUBENS.%20LAOOCON.jpg)

EDIT: Substituted Image:

http://www.aadrawing.com/americanartist/photos/2005/07/0507rubens1_300x450.jpg
http://www.aadrawing.com/americanartist/photos/2005/07/0507rubens1_300x450.jpg


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Work in the medium of your choice.

Don't be shy about your efforts! Post your work here ~ we're all here to learn! :)


Looking forward to seeing everyone's work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

HellBoy,

Hehe, new name for you, I see! :) Yep, I'm a poster! :scream: Hope to see your work here soon. :)

Kencho,

You're welcome! I checked out your other thread, and I have to say, I haven't figured out deviant art yet. I could only see one of your images, a really beautiful pencil piece, but couldn't find your digital images ~ perhaps you could post them here? :)

In terms of what to focus on, I think it's less a matter of particulars and more a matter of just getting in more practice. I hope that Assignment 2 will be a great exercise for you and the other participants in this thread! :thumbsup:

lunat1k,

Hope you will find Assignments 1 and 2 useful! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Yes, of course. Here they are:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/15MinSketch01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/15MinSketch02.jpg
and some from dA:
http://fs6.deviantart.com/i/2005/017/6/0/Pyramid_Head_by_Kencho.jpg
http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2005/277/a/d/Ice_Queen_by_Kencho.jpg (Full view: http://www.deviantart.com/view/23656264/)
http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/fs7.deviantart.com/i/2005/237/3/e/The_Last_Song_of_The_Mermaid_by_Kencho.jpg (Full view: http://www.deviantart.com/view/22055797/)

Thanks for the new assignment, looks interesting and very useful. By the way, 2-5-10 or 2-5-15?

[Rebeccak]

Kencho,

Perfect, that gives me a much stronger sense of where you're at. :)

I would say from looking at your digital pieces is that the main thing you need to work on is value and composition. I think you would really enjoy working in the Open Figure Drawing Workshops, all of which are linked here:

Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525
(See Post #3)

There is some great work being posted in OFDW 008 which I would encourage everyone here to check out.

Also, the main thing I see many of the digital artists on WIP forums needing to work on is ideas and themes. I think that too many digital artists forget to look at the great traditional work of the past, and concentrate too much on the same themes we see over and over again ~ fairies, dragons, castles, monsters, etc. I think that work which is more personal is more interesting.

I would recommend everyone checking out the artists posted to this thread:

Favorite Figurative Artists - Links (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282224&highlight=Favorite+Artists)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=282224&highlight=Favorite+Artists

~Ignore the stupid posts. ;)

And I would also encourage everyone to visit their local art museums, to see the work that has laid the groundwork for all other artists.

It's not to say that you have to become these artists or even to imitate them, but just remember that what we are striving to do digitally has been done fantastically traditionally. It's always good to have a sense of perspective on things. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

1...2...3...
2/5/15

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5559/rubens12min6vu.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5033/rubens15min8ue.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6195/rubens115min7re.jpg


I think that too many digital artists forget to look at the great traditional work of the past, and concentrate too much on the same themes we see over and over again ~ fairies, dragons, castles, monsters, etc. I think that work which is more personal is more interesting.

I swear to god, I can't stand another babe with sword.

On the other hand, there was an artist who took that cliche and deformed it: his pic showed a very old little hunchbacked hag with a giant sword as she was struggling to pull that dragonhead back home of the dragon she just killed.

That was great - cliches can be fun when approached with irony. I wish I could remember that pic and the artist...

[CalvinChoy]

woaahh . . . u guys been drawing a lot heh . . . Hope i still got some time left this weekend to draw :( Work + school is driving me crazy :'(.

Anyway, nice work guys/gals !!

[Rebeccak]

Calvin_C,

Never fear, you can do these exercises at your own pace. I recommend just completing each assignment within the space of one week. That way, things don't get out of hand in terms of time.

Any Assignment posted here should be done in one week ~ according to your schedule. There is no real deadline for these, so post as you can. That being said, try to be disciplined about posting within the time frame you set for yourself. I know from my own experience that if I have a wavering deadline, I'm less inclined to finish! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Mr. Mu, nice one! :applause:

Calvin_C, thanks :)
About the drawings, a good thing of using the 2-5-15 exercise is that you don't lose more than 25-30 minutes in each drawing (2+5+15 mins, plus some more to be prepared, check the result, check the timer...), so it's quite fast to do these. And don't worry if the result is not perfect, as it's not the focus of these kind of exercises :)

Enjoy!

[Rebeccak]

1...2...3...
2/5/15

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5559/rubens12min6vu.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5033/rubens15min8ue.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6195/rubens115min7re.jpg


Quote:
Originally Posted by rebeccak
I think that too many digital artists forget to look at the great traditional work of the past, and concentrate too much on the same themes we see over and over again ~ fairies, dragons, castles, monsters, etc. I think that work which is more personal is more interesting.



I swear to god, I can't stand another babe with sword.

On the other hand, there was an artist who took that cliche and deformed it: his pic showed a very old little hunchbacked hag with a giant sword as she was struggling to pull that dragonhead back home of the dragon she just killed.

That was great - cliches can be fun when approached with irony. I wish I could remember that pic and the artist...
Gah!!! sorry Mr. Mu, I didn't see your earlier post! :eek: Heh, when I see a new post, I always forget that there could have been one before it...I'll just go stand in the corner. :D

Seriously, this is some nice work!! You're spot on ~ definitely do more sets of these. I guarantee that if you continue to do these, your ability to see and respond to what you see will improve. Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

LOL ~ I would LOVE to see the piece you described. If you find it, post it, and I will be sure to have a hearty guffaw that will brighten my day! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[lunat1k]

Here's another eye from me. It's scaled to 50% from the original resolution.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/eye01.jpg

Rebecca, I'll give a try at the assignments, but at the moment I find the pencil & paper combo more handy for gesture drawings. Unfortunately I don't have a scanner, so I'm going to try with Photoshop. That way I'll be able to show something.

[Rebeccak]

lunat1k,

Nice! Hey, I completely understand about the scanner thing. Since the main purpose here is for you to improve, I would encourage you to do the traditional drawings intermittently for yourself, as well as the digital drawings, which you will be able to show. Then, assuming you are a student, if you come across a scanner at school or something, you can always scan your work in later.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

lunat1k, verrrry nice eye! :applause:


Another sketchathon from me :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Rubens_1_2-5-10-sketchathon.jpg
I'm afraid I destroyed the lines in the last one because of my shading barrage :(

[Rebeccak]

Kencho,

Great to see! I hope that you will do the remaining poses as well. :thumbsup: You know, the purpose of these is less to worry about individual pieces, than it is to just get the practice. You will naturally get better over time, as I'm sure you realize. :)

Looking forward to seeing your next set of drawings! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Rebecca,

Thanks, count with it! Of course I'll do the next pieces, just that I'm about to go out with friends to take some beer ( ;P hahaha), and as I have some free time before going... I gave a try to the first one :D haha.
And yes, you're right, I think I'm improving a lot faster. I used to take measures for everything, everytime. Now I just take a glance, try to catch the essence, and the rest of the drawing just follows :D This method is *great*!! Thanks a lot :love:haha

[Mu]

hey lunat1k: great eye again.

I recommend including the environment of the eye (upper side up to the eyebrow, on the sides til nose plane and beginning temple), because you can use these "regions" of the face to enhance the spherical structure of the eyeball and the eye as a whole...


not that I could do it as good as you, however:D

[Rebeccak]

Hehe, you guys are killing me! :scream: I just noted Mr. Mu's "Reason for editing: spelling" and I nearly snarfed my soda...I can just hear that patented Mr. Mu sigh of resignation upon discovering a spelling mistake in his post :scream: ~ oh, you guys are great! If I ever bothered to put something in that "Reason for editing" field, it would have to be simply "Korean Blonde moment". :scream:

Kencho,

Great to hear this method works for you! Yeah, I think the measuring method is good for learning in a very long drawn out way, but if you just want to get in there and start drawing, as I always like to, I say just go for the goods and not worry about tedious details that frankly don't always make sense as you're drawing. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Mu]

I can just hear that patented Mr. Mu sigh of resignation upon discovering a spelling mistake in his post :scream:

yea I mean, I told you I am german. Things have to be neat, tidy and clean. Everything to its place... a.s.o. (that assignment of yours cost me a full decision making process without a police officer near to tell me wether it's 2-5-10 or 2-5-15, because you know, in your assignment both figure triplets are given...:eek: )

'f course, me nono wanna be outsida. Me wnna be jus like teh rest of u. So, me post looking betta now?

Ah, I think I will just stick to what I can
*starts cleaning keyboard with a q-tip*

[Rebeccak]

(that assignment of yours cost me a full decision making process without a police officer near to tell me wether it's 2-5-10 or 2-5-15, because you know, in your assignment both figure triplets are given...:eek: )
LMAO! Do you know that I actually thought about that today? About whether or not this would actually throw you off, and you would just sit there, befuddled?

Hehe..*whether* *snarfs* :scream:

[lunat1k]

Evevrybody thanks for the encouragement.
I read the whole thread so far and decided to throw some light on my background as everybody else did.
Since of this year I started Computer Systems and Technologies, a software (programming)/hardware oriented specialty (that means no art at all). I gained interest in drawing this summer when I got my tablet. I started (partially) with Rebecca's anatomy threads and after a while I kind of dropped it... Recently I've started doodling at the breaks at university and at home when I have time to spare. Generaly I'm interested in portraits by I also want to improve my drawing skills, or I sholuld say to build them up from the ground. I forgot to mention that I'm also into 3d, but I decided that if I learn to draw it will help me with my 3d. Since I find modeling really hard and learning anatomy (I hope) will make a big difference.
I really appreciate the help everybody's giving to me and I'll try to return the favor, although I don't feel confident enough to give pointers yet. This thread is already helpinig me a lot. Thanks again.

Rebecca, I have a friend who has a scanner so I'll see what I can do to scan my most recent drawings (mainly studies of my own hands, eye and faces from photographs and anatomy books, particularly: Bames - Human Anatomy).

Mr. Mu, I think you're right. I'll try to put those parts in my next eye (I think everybody will get sick of my greish eyes ;)).

Thanks go Kencho to as well :).

[Rebeccak]

lunat1k,

Great to hear about your background! :) I'm happy you're back following the Anatomy Reviews. There are lots of people I wonder what happened to. :)

Great news about the scanner! Looking forward to seeing your traditional pieces as well. :)

I very much agree that 2D will do nothing but help your 3D abilities. There are countless models of people and creatures that I see and think would benefit from even just a smidge of anatomy and 2D knowledge.

Cheers,

~Rk

[Mu]

LMAO! Do you know that I actually thought about that today? About whether or not this would actually throw you off, and you would just sit there, befuddled?

hope you enjoyed your mischief. I did a very german thing to solve the problem: I just followed a previous order. Stick to what you know... But I could not help feeling illegal all the way:scream:

although I don't feel confident enough to give pointers yet.

no man, don't you say that. you should look at the crap I'd post when I tried to draw an eye. In fact I am really looking forward to what a full-blown face will look like from you.

[Dreamy Kid]

great work guys, keep em coming. I noticed that most of you have a 3d background :thumbsup:, I'm working on 3d field and recenly realized the importance of traditional skill. just want to share a bit, i was having dificulties with a model that i built, i have no understanding of human anatomy -at all- back then, and i gave it up because i thought how in the world should i built all that muscles, it's impossible. now that i get a better understanding of human anatomy, and learn how to draw - i get back to my project and everything start to make sense:). in my humble opinion, if you can draw it, it's not hard to make the model. thats my 2 cent hehehe :scream:. great work guys, i'm still working on mine - been out all day with my friends :rolleyes:. i think i should wake up early tomorrow and start drawing:)

I'm still working on my speed, becca, do you have any in depth input or tips for 2 min drawing. i have no problem with 15 min , but 2 min ......ack:scream:. thanks :)

if i have some free time , i'll try to scan and put together some things that might be useful to build a figure ( at least it has been for me )and post it, loomis's manequin, walt reed's manequin, - sorry i dont have vilppu's book.

cheers

[HellBoy]

here's mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/mwarsame/beginnerslounge1.jpg

Kencho, I was after a face like that :sad:
this anatomy work is really getting interested. now I can't wait to do the other poses

I tried to do the pose Mr. Mu did, the muscle guy but failed, now I have unfinished business :)

[Kencho]

Dreamy kid, Hellboy,

as Rebecca said, try to find the essence. I've found extremely useful to skip as much details as you can. Doing the 2 min drawing helps a lot to skip those details (or you won't get a "complete" drawing finished in that time). Something that helps me much is to unfocus/blur (?) the sight when looking at the pic so you only see the rough shapes. The silhouette, the main lines... all them drawn using simple curves and straight lines. For instance, the lady of Ruben's study has 3 *main* lines I can see at first when unfocusing my sight. If you try, you'll notice that the shape can be enveloped inside of an upper-right quarter of circle :) Use that kind of information in your advantage :thumbsup:

Now I'll try the next one :D

[Kencho]

Next one :)

I drew it in the back of the Rubens' study exercise, as you can see in this picture :scream:
I'm afraid I did something wrong while doing this exercise: Thinking in doing it correctly :( but I'm not disappointed with it at all :/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Anonymous_1_2-5-10sketchathon.jpg

[Mu]

Kencho - this is looking great!:applause:

I'm afraid I did something wrong while doing this exercise: Thinking in doing it correctly :( but I'm not disappointed with it at all :/

what do you mean by that?:shrug:

[Kencho]

Thanks :)

Yup, I focused too much in the details and such, instead of visualizing only the shape, movement...

[Mu]

Ah, I see - yea one always wants to do more details. For that matter I think the 5min drawing is stronger than the 10min one.

[Margie]

In the life drawing classes I took, they made us do the 2 minute gesture drawings with a large brush or a thick stick of charcoal. It's akward in the beginning, but it helps a great deal concentrating on the essential lines, simply because it's impossible to draw details.
Something like this (not that this is the perfect example of a gesture drawing, but you get the idea, I hope).

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/gesturediscus.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Hi guys,

I know that the issue of different approaches to take in Drawing can be confusing.

I have just posted some comments attempting to address these questions in the Anatomy Thread of Erich Schreiner, here:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297560&page=3

I hope this helps to clarify how I think about combining various approaches when learning how to draw. I think of this as "Synthesizing" various drawing methods, and it is not an easy process ~ it does take hard work. And it is not a process that takes place "after" you've learned different approaches to drawing ~ it takes place during your learning process.

At any rate, check out Erich's thread (both for the work there and for the thoughts) and I hope that they prove useful. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Kencho]

Just one more to go... :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/kencho/Rubens_2_2-5-10-sketchathon.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

Will try to post something later tonight...will be out most of today. :) Do the best you can ~ the 2 minute drawings are hardest at first, but will, with practice, become your favorite. :) Jump in ~ as the Nike logo goes, "Just do it!" :)

HellBoy,

I think the key here is to simplify. You can represent the head a circle, and the torso (ribcage/pelvis) as a peanut shape. I'll post drawings later, I can't atm as I'm out the door shortly. :)

Kencho,

Nice work! Keep working ~ the key is to do as many of these as you can tolerate. I like the 5 and 10 min. poses. Keep at 'em!

That last set looks good! Let's see a few more! :)

Margie,

Great to see you here, and great suggestion! I agree, using difficult materials often helps to see the big picture when drawing.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

here comes another gesture drawing from exercise 1, sorry for the slow post from me- work and college been crazy this week. i think i'll do another 1 or 2 gesture drawing for exercise 1 then i'll move to the second one. anyway, great reference picture there bec & thanks for the input :thumbsup:

I woke up early today and did some head study from hogart's dynamic anatomy book, it was interesting - i love how he break things apart into simple geometric shape , interesting
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/5383/female5tc.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

Perfect! You're definitely on the right track with these. :thumbsup: You have a nice sense of rhythm and gesture going in these ~ do many more, and you will have the method down pat. :)

The one thing I notice is that you tend to make the head a bit small for the body. Double~check yourself in Photoshop by overlaying the original on top of your version, scaling them to size, and seeing where you're off. This will help you to make judgements in future freehand drawings. :)

Looking forward to seeing more of your work. :)

Cheers,

~Rk

[Dreamy Kid]

thanks for the input bec, thats why i need other people to spot my mistakes :scream:, it's hard for me since my own eyes are sometimes getting comfortable with it. i will surely keep them in mind.... it's sleepy time for me now, i'm beat - been out all day. have a good evening bec:)

[Rebeccak]

No prob. ;) Night. :)

[CalvinChoy]

Hey all,

I'm at campus again, got some drawings on paper here, will scan them in when im back home in the weekend. I was using the images for assignment 2 for gesture drawing, I find it difficult to draw the gesture for those images. Since i followed vilppu dvd's, im used to draw the gesture in a form of a flow rather then the real contour. But I find it hard to catch the flow/movement of the drawing, especially the twist of the body.

Anyone got some tips on how to draw the twist in the body of the drawings in rubens? using primitive lines and shapes ?

anyway, I see that ur guys improve pretty fast (Y) keep it up !

ciao

[Dreamy Kid]

hi calvin, which part of the dvd that you bought? i was thinking to purchase the dvds but noticed that each chapter sold seperately - what do you think of the dvd?
i guess i'll just purchase the book firts, since everything is in them, and try one of the dvd

[Rebeccak]

Calvin_C,

Hey there, with these poses, though they look much more complex than your 'typical' pose, really have as their core structure the same basic simple components as any pose ~ it's part of the reason why I chose to assign these poses, to get you guys to see the simple behind the apparently complex.

Any pose can be reduced in terms of simple shapes. Vilppu's method describes this in depth ~ the combined upper and lower torso (rib cage and pelvis) can be described as a peanut shape, or the combination of two spheres or balls. Think of these balls as made of plastic or bendable material. Remove all of the exterior forms from any complex figure, such as the drawings of Rubens which we are copying, and you will find this basic, two~sphere combination shape.

As practice, trace Rubens' drawings to find these simplified forms. You will start to see this simplified form in every figure you draw!

Check out Erich Schreiner's Anatomy Thread, where I posted some examples of Vilppu's work:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2879260&postcount=29

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

I would recommend getting the book (Vilppu Drawing Manual) before investing in each of the DVDs. I saw that that is how he sells them, and rather disagree with that approach. But the book is independent of the DVD's, and contains a lot of information which should, I think, be sufficient. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[lunat1k]

Hi again.
I see everybody's pushing the thread forward :). I've managed to scan my traditional studies, so here they are:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/06.jpg
Some is done from reference (all faces, few ot the eyes...), other from life (for expample: all finger/hand/whatever studies)

At the moment I'm thinking of an attempt at a portrait. After I give it a go, I'll start with exercise 1. It looks fun, although I'm not into gesture drawings.

Mr. Mu, yeah I guess you're kind of right, but soon you'll see what a flop I'm at figure drawing and pretty much everything else. Guess we'll have to help each other (that goes to everybody). I had in mind doing a portrait before you mentioned it, so I'll try harder not to disappoint ;).

[Rebeccak]

lunat1k,

Good to see your drawings, and I look forward to seeing your work for Exercise 1! I think that Gesture Drawings are a key ingredient in learning how to draw, so do not overlook their usefulness! :) In fact, I think that Gesture drawing is sometimes even more useful in the process of learning how to draw than is doing extended / long studies. Really, a combination is necessary to learn how to draw the figure. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

[lunat1k]

I've decided to postpone the portrait and came up with this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/gesture01.jpg

As with all of my previous attempts one major problem I find is the hands. Maybe I'll try to start using cylinders for the arms... I really don't know what to do with those 15 minutes. But I must admit it's getting addictive. Tomorrow I'll try some more.

[Mu]

lunat1k - wonderful gesture sketches, nice flow of lines:applause:

[Kencho]

lunat1k, those look great!! :thumbsup::applause:

I guess you're starting with the tablet, right? Try doing more fluent lines, instead of trying to do them right at the first one. Think that these are sketches, so paint over the previous lines, and erase the undesired lines later. Also, maybe you're focusing too much in doing the right lines (look at the right tight in the 5 minutes sketch), but they look impressive (far better than mine!). Don't worry about the hands, as they're details after all. The way you drew them in these sketches is perfect in my honest opinion :thumbsup:

Keep up the good work! :scream:


Rebecca, I found Hogarth's "Drawing dynamic anatomy" book at the library today :bounce: :D

[Dreamy Kid]

nice flow luna :beer:

Kencho, glad you find the book - i'm sure it will be useful for you as it has been for me - i actually just did the head study practice from the book this morning :cool:, the book has been so useful during my 3d anatomy modelling process, enjoy :wip:

[Rebeccak]

lunat1k,

WOW, good work! Glad to hear it's getting addictive...you'll definitely improve by doing these consistently. :thumbsup: I agree that it's less important to get the details of the hands and things than just the overall flow as you have done so well here. Keep going, you're definitely on the right track! :thumbsup:

Kencho,

That's great! Now we expect to see some studies! :wavey:

Dreamy Kid,

You ought to post some of your 3D stuff here as well! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

hehe i'm still working on my website bec, i'll dump all my works there once i'm done ( almost done ), i dont have the confidence to show my works though..but oh well, this is for learning purpose haha i think it might be helpful for you if you see what i've done :scream:

[Rebeccak]

Hey, can't wait! :thumbsup: Looking forward to seeing your work...though if you're going to put your work onto a website where anyone can see it, why be shy about posting to a forum where a group of helpful individuals might see it? :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Kopprsnake]

Good work from all those who have posted. This thread has given me the motivation to continue drawing now that my art class has finished for xmas. Looking at other people's work and reading the comments, critiques and advice is a great way to learn.

Since my last post I have been working on the first assignment and have found it a useful exercise. I'm still learning the basics, but these extra exercises provide the opportunity to do something different and perhaps more expressive. The results also gave me a clearer indication of what level my drawing skills are at.

Hope you don't mind too much, but I have provided links to the drawings for the first assignment. I was a little un-economical with my paper usage until the last drawing.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_001_2_5m.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_001_15m.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_002_2_5_m.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_002_15m.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_003_2-5-15m.jpg

Thanks for your time, I shall make a start on assignment 2.

[Mu]

Hi kopprsnake - if you paste the links you provided in the mountainAndSunImageIcon in the text editor you can post the images inline, like this:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_001_2_5m.jpg

which is the one gesture sketch of yours I like most.:thumbsup:

[lunat1k]

Mr. Mu, Dreamy Kid - thanks guys, I really appreciate it.

Kencho, you're so right. I really was trying to nail the lines as close as possible. I agree with you on the hand issue. Thanks for the feedback.

Rebecca, thanks :). I think I'm starting to realise how these gestures can help a lot.

Kopprsnake, those are really nice. My favorite is the 2 min one from your last link.

[fredlovebot]

Although this isn't a part of any assignment I though I show it. (god, I have to do them now, final tests in Physics and Mathemathics are crawling up my back :( )

Also posted in the 15 min sketchathon.
Im quite happy how this one turned out, I feel like I improved somewhat (compare to this one http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5319/workshop2small5bt.jpg which took over 15 min)
Kinda feel like im starting to loosen up a bit and have more control over my lines and seeing forms much clearer now :thumbsup:
http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload7/sculpture2.jpg

[Dreamy Kid]

gorg, i agree with you, i can totally see that you've improved alot:thumbsup: nice job

[Mu]

Kinda feel like im starting to loosen up a bit and have more control over my lines and seeing forms much clearer now

and indeed you are - big improvement:thumbsup:

if you should ever feel like taking this further you should increase the size of the chest and the head in relation to the rest of the torso and legs

[Mu]

Everyone,

as we all share the problem of focusing on essence instead of details I would like to share a method I use to capture the essence real quick.

If you, rebecca, think this is nonsense, feel free to edit my post or make me do it in public as a penalty:D

The plan is to jot down the line(s) of action...

What does that mean?

Well it is easier to show than to explain.

Simple, simpler, lines o