Beginners' Lounge

[choco22]

Hello All,
I really like all of the constructive criticism/feedback on this forum. I've been away from pencil and paper since I was perhaps 10 and haven't practiced since ... 3 days ago and 15 years later I find myself wanting to draw again. Recently I've been turning my commute time 2+ hours daily into a sort of workshop. The faces are plentiful and the time couldn't be better spend in my opinion. I know for sure I'm not happy with where I'm at with my drawing and am really into realism not really fantasy or anything else just want to master the human figure. I've picked up books here and there but never really dedicated much time to my drawing even when I was drawing consistenly as a child. I find it relaxing in a way and rewarding to a large extent. I will be posting some images later tonight just to show some simple drawings I've made in the past few days and hope it will only get better with time.

Thanks,
Choco

[maya-3d]

i havent drew in a while this is my latest sketch with no refrence ..
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[Rebeccak]

Hello all, :)

This new Workshop has just opened:

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 2 - The Torso (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198

I recommend everyone participate, and post your work here if you feel the most comfortable - applying the 2-5-10 or 2-5-15 minute approach to your drawings. I look forward to seeing your work! :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[sanjukoli]

Hi All,
I wanted to join Begineers Lounge since i too want to learn
Drawing.I am a Senior Web Designer in an Online Advertising Firm.I had initially taken figure drawing classes at our place for 6 months.Initially i started with geture.I used to practice it daily but during my examination period i stopped Geature Drawing and i list my rythm.:(
Now i want to start it all over so i am joining this lounge.:).
By the way i still go to my Drawing Classes but now i learn Color their.I have started Gesture again and will post my sketches in some time.:)
By the Rebeccak can you point me out some assignments which i can take.:)

[Rebeccak]

Hi All,
By the Rebeccak can you point me out some assignments which i can take.:)
Sanjukoli, welcome. :) The first post of this thread and the post just previous to this one lists assignments. I look forward to seeing your work.

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[sanjukoli]

Hi Rebeccak this are some of my latest sketches.I am thinking of starting with your Gesture Drawing Workshop.:)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_6.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_5.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_4.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_3.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_2.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Hi Rebeccak this are some of my latest sketches.I am thinking of starting with your Gesture Drawing Workshop.:)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_6.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_5.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_4.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_3.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_2.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m93/sanjukoli/Figure%20Drawings/img_1.jpg
Sanjukoli, good to see your work. :)

One thing that will help make it easier to see your images is if you copy and paste the URL of the images into the square yellow sun / mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor. This will make your images visible as images instead of as links. :)

I really recommend that you join us in this just opened Workshop:

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 2 - The Torso (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198&page=1&pp=15)

You are welcome to post either to the Workshop thread, or here, whichever you feel most comfortable with. You can get Gesture practice by using the Reference in the above Workshop, though of course, you are most welcome to browse any Tutorials / Workshops you find helpful on this forum.

I look forward to seeing your participation. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[sanjukoli]

Hi Rebeccak thanks for the feedback.Rebeccak it would be nice if you help me in improving my Gesture.Thanks for boosting my confidence.Loking forward to join Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 2 - The Torso.:)

[Elaine10]

well i kinda do anime stuff more than realism..but i really belive realism is great.and it helps me improve in anyways...so..i think i might do some assignments..
i would do it now if it wasnt so late here..

hm..and here are some pieces of mine..i do sketches of some sort..but didnt scan any of those here tho...


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Elaine10/drawings/outdoor003.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Elaine10/drawings/outdoor001.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Elaine10/butterfly.jpg
it doesnt havent to be human does it?o well..

n finnally something thats human..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Elaine10/id2.jpg

this is when i run away now
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Elaine10/angiebd.jpg

[Rebeccak]

sanjukoli,

Sounds good. :)

Elaine10,

Welcome. :) Really lovely landscape pieces especially - in the first you demonstrate a really nice sense for composition, texture, and color, and there's also a really nice painterliness to the piece.

I would invite you to participate in the ongoing Workshop as well:

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 2 - The Torso (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198&page=1&pp=15)

as well as to check out the links listed here:

Personal Sketchbook Primer and Tutorial / Workshop Guide (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=403198)

You are welcome to create your own Sketchbook, if you wish, or to post to any Workshop or Tutorial Thread, including this one. I look forward to seeing more of your work. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

hello beginner lounge people :) and welcome to newcomers - I've just got back from a long vacation, i'll be posting my work really soon ^__^ and catch up with the workshops and the tutorials, cannot wait to join the 50 head workshop. cheers, glad to be back :thumbsup:

[Kitami]

ok so this is several tries on a paper , belive it or not i picked out the best ones.. torso figure drawing thing

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7715/warmuppi5.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7826/warmup2jpgma2.jpg


hmmm ok time to start over with something else..

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8914/nr50jo0.jpg


By the way, I have to add.. I love that there is a beginners lounge :D

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

Nice to see you back! :)

Kitami,

Nice to see your participation in the Torso Workshop (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198&page=1&pp=15)! The leg on your last drawing has some very nice opposing curve qualities to it. :thumbsup: My recommendation would be to try to draw more lightly, and to be relax a bit with your pencil - try the 2-5-10 and 2-5-15 minute approach to the torsos, and then take the same torso to a greater degree of finish. Draw Gesturally - I can't emphasize that enough! :)

The thing about individual drawings, especially for a beginner, but really for any draughtsman, is that no particular drawing is really of importance unto itself - it's just practice, a way to explore thoughts and to try out different methods of breaking down form. Try not to see a drawing as a drawing where you're trying to represent the figure exactly - use the drawing to try different methods of analyzing and breaking down form, such as the way that you are drawing the center line, and starting to find axes, etc.

Check out the Torso Workshop Demos (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3857008&postcount=6) here, which I will be updating. Most importantly, keep practicing! :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[choco22]

try the 2-5-10 and 2-5-15 minute approach

I see this posted a lot by you K are there descriptions to those methods anywhere?

[Rebeccak]

I see this posted a lot by you K are there descriptions to those methods anywhere?
choco22, check out the Assignments listed in the first post (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2856581&postcount=1) of this thread. They contain a description of the 2-5-10 and 2-5-15 method of drawing. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[Kitami]

Ok I dont know if this will be considered spamming but I have all the exercies you suggested I should do. Thanks for the nice reply, the hardest part of the exercise was not to think in terms of shapes instead of arm,leg,torso.. it was the shading and the fitting them right on paper.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8708/2minsrc1.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6290/5minswu4.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4580/10minsbd4.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/35/2minsecondiz1.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/833/5minssevndtr7.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5152/15minsgy3.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3452/unlimitedum6.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Kitami,

Posting your exercises is definitely not considered spamming. ;) Let's see your next batch!

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[Ladywolf]

Hi, I am new to this forum, and just want to say hi to everybody. Currently i am still studying ( major 3D animation) its a one year course ...i was wondering though, can i post my 3D work in the beginner lounge? Or only hand drawing is allowed ?
I really hope i can get some critics on my 3D's..so maybe i know where i should improve myself.
Thanks.

Best regards,


Mae

[Rebeccak]

Hi, I am new to this forum, and just want to say hi to everybody. Currently i am still studying ( major 3D animation) its a one year course ...i was wondering though, can i post my 3D work in the beginner lounge? Or only hand drawing is allowed ?
I really hope i can get some critics on my 3D's..so maybe i know where i should improve myself.
Thanks.

Best regards,

Mae

Hi Mae, and Welcome. :) You are more than welcome to post 3D work here - both to the Beginners' Lounge and anywhere else on the Forum, though you'll be the first to do so on this thread, which is perfectly fine with me - be advised that I'm not primarily a 3D person and my overpaints and crits will address just how a model should look and not how it should be built. For more technical questions related to a model's proper topology, you should definitely check out Steven Stahlberg's excellent threads:

Body topology (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=108412)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=108412

"PAINTOVER PLEASE" - painted crits on demand - with Steven Stahlberg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=359226&page=1&pp=15)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=359226&page=1&pp=15

But you are welcome to post your work in different places for different feedback.

Cheers, :)

-Rebeccak

[Ladywolf]

Umm..but my 3D's are not human models..instead some dead objects....at least i think it is more artistic rather than realistic. My teacher keep on telling me that my drawings are more to the artistic side rather than logical..and i know that this is a minus that i really need to work on. And since my background is from manga and cartoon drawing since 9 years old..now i found it really difficult for me to draw real life person with real life shadows instead of flat. T T

I just dont get it. How can those artist make a hand drawing that looks real life by adding correct shadows? Even now after i know the curves and depths of a face by doing 3Ds, i still unable to hand draw it correctly without adding cartoon style in it.. T T

I am so glad i found this forum.. A kind man named Jenova Chen told me about this forum. And i am so excited. This forum is really amazing with the tutorial, workshop and all, it is all a learning artist like me ever needed.

By the way, i cannot post my 3D's yet since i am not allowed to post any attachments yet. But i will post it on my next reply.

Best regards,

Mae

[Rebeccak]

Mae,

My apologies, I've only now seen your post. :)

Umm..but my 3D's are not human models..instead some dead objects....at least i think it is more artistic rather than realistic. My teacher keep on telling me that my drawings are more to the artistic side rather than logical..and i know that this is a minus that i really need to work on. And since my background is from manga and cartoon drawing since 9 years old..now i found it really difficult for me to draw real life person with real life shadows instead of flat.

I just dont get it. How can those artist make a hand drawing that looks real life by adding correct shadows? Even now after i know the curves and depths of a face by doing 3Ds, i still unable to hand draw it correctly without adding cartoon style in it..
There are a number of books I recommend you get:

Vilppu's Drawing Manual (http://www.vilppustudio.com/books.htm)
http://www.vilppustudio.com/books.htm

Burne Hogarth Books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=br_ss_hs/102-8259949-5143308?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dblended&keywords=Burne+Hogarth&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=br_ss_hs/102-8259949-5143308?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dblended&keywords=Burne+Hogarth&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

In particular, Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy and / or Dynamic Figure Drawing, and Drawing the Human Head.

These are good books for breaking down structure and adding dimensionality to your drawings of figures.

I am so glad i found this forum.. A kind man named Jenova Chen told me about this forum. And i am so excited. This forum is really amazing with the tutorial, workshop and all, it is all a learning artist like me ever needed.
Ah, that's great to hear. :) I really recommend if you can, to attend a life drawing Workshop in your area. The best thing is to draw from life - barring that, draw from Master Works (such as in our 50 Portraits and 50 Torsos Workshop).

By the way, i cannot post my 3D's yet since i am not allowed to post any attachments yet. But i will post it on my next reply.
No problem. I saw your post to the 3D Artist's Thread. While I can't teach you 3D, my recommendation is actually to gain a better understanding of anatomy through drawing first.

Take a look at this Workshop:

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 1 - The Head (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031

I recommend that you draw at least 5-10 heads in traditional media - pencil or pen - to really improve your sense of understanding of the topology of the head.

I look forward to seeing your work. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[zeeble]

Hi, it's my first time posting here..and Beginners' Lounge sounds like an inviting (i won't get killed) place to post. erm...Here are some of my stuff..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Turtlee/Life%20Drawing/LifeDrawing009.jpg

[zng-Y]

After watching the amazing tutorial of Zhuzhu I went playing with head sculptures too.
Okay it was pretty hard:D

Didn't work on the left I that much, so it looks kind of wasted.

http://members.chello.nl/c.megens2/pictures/anatomy/hoofd1painter.jpg

with some color:
http://members.chello.nl/c.megens2/pictures/anatomy/hoofd1kleur.jpg

[zng-Y]

Hmm.. no C&C in here. Where do I have to post them for C&C?

[Gord-MacDonald]

Rebecca: where I have been? :cry: been working on that challenge entry. And as I basically skipped a few weeks in between I sort of lost the focus of the people who had been watching my progress in there before so it's kind of hard...

could not stand to watch my challenge piece today...

a doodle, no ref, in case it isn't painfully obvious...


from the sketchathon...

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4140/tangoii7ny.jpg

great energy in this one Mr MU! very expressive.

Gord

[nelchee]

I haven't been doing much anatomy practicing lately, but I have some drawings where I tried to pay attention...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/nelchee/works/bigthumb_nightmare.jpg (http://inobscuro.com/gallery/work/67/)
I know the bones are messed up :sad: but I hope I at least got the ratios right...
here is the breakdown to skeleton and skin:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/nelchee/works/nightmare_layers.jpg

and here (http://inobscuro.com/gallery/work/63/) is a quick sketch, I suppose the pencil alone didn't take over 20 minutes... (color and texture were added later)

I have Peck's "Anatomy for the artist", so if you're willing to give me an assignment, I'd appreciate it :)

[boneD]

Uh guys, it was so interesting to read all your posts here, one can learn so many things over this forum. Really where I would be without internet :thumbsup:
Am newbie too i just got my tablet few months ago because of 3d work but then i found few magazines about 2d digital art. Man som people really know their way with tablet :) It is really great to see their works and soo inspiring. (As it was written here in 2d there r no limits). I started with few sketches last day and am little shy to post them here :) it was just few minutes sketches that i found on internet. I ve done some drawing with pencil but really tablet is other way. (BTW nelchee love the style of your work)

faun (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/7309/785052447137759/1600/faun.jpg)
head (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/7309/785052447137759/1600/Untitled-3%20copy.jpg)

[Rebeccak]

Hi everyone,

Sorry for being so absentee lately...things have been pretty busy but I do check in all the time. :)

zeeble,

Welcome to the forum - you have some nice life studies here, and I would like to see more!

One thing that will help make it easier to see your images is if you copy and paste the URL of the images into the square yellow sun / mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor. This will make your images visible as images instead of as links. :)

zng-Y,

Lovely studies here! I think that you are the most likely to get more feedback by creating your own Personal Sketchbook Thread. And I don't think that you qualify as a 'beginner' anymore. ;)

nelchee,

Welcome! Do you have access to any life drawing classes? I think that that is the number one way to learn how to draw. Doing Master Copies is another great way. I would encourage you to check out our Anatomy Lesson Series Workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3911370&postcount=44). Though the official Workshops are over, you are always welcome to use the reference there, and I really encourage you to look over the work posted to those threads - a big source of inspiration! Feel free to post your Master Copies here. :)

boneD,

Welcome! Please don't be shy. Feel free to post your work here. The forum is set up to help people improve - which is hard to do without seeing your work. ;)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[nelchee]

Thanks Rebecca :)
unfortunately even if there were any classes (though I haven't heard of any, I live in a small town so probably there is no such a thing) I don't really have enough time during daytime because of college... I usually draw during the evening, so the only teacher I have is the Internet :/
I was planning to go through most of these workshops, I'll start this week :) or maybe even today, as soon as I get some sleep.

[Rebeccak]

nelchee,

That sounds good, I look forward to seeing the results of your Workshop participation.

I recommend checking out this thread:

Anatomy Resources : BOOKS (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257424)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257424

There are some great books linked there which will help you with your studies. :)

[arhcamt]

i'm really a beginner here.. :)
can i submit a finished piece or do i have to submit the sketch?

[Rebeccak]

arhcamt,

You can post whatever you want here. :)

[Antsidious]

This is the 2nd digital illustration that I've ever done. It's of my God son Seth. I am having trouble getting his clothes right. His outfit is made out of velvet. How do I duplicate that texture? I am using Photoshop CS2 and a Intuos 3 tablet with the original pen nib. Thanks in advance for any help.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/lankiet/Seth_8.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Antsidious,

Welcome. :) I think you have a great start here. Your approach strongly reminds me of one of our very good artists, whose work I definitely recommend your checking out:

Sketchbook Thread of SaraD (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=302435)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=302435

She's great at doing velvety textures - I think it really comes down to where you place the highlight on the fabric and how intense it is to replicate the look of a specific kind of texture - but I would solicit SaraD's advice as she's very much an expert. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[Antsidious]

Thank you Rebeccak for responding! I'm still new to this and feel a little lost. I love this forum here and I'm hoping to be able to grow as an artist by intereacting with so many talented people. Take care.

[Rebeccak]

Antsidious,

No problem! Looking forward to seeing more of your work around here. :)

[EducatedSavage]

Hallo! I've been lurking around here for a really long time now and just discovered the beginners area. Everyone here is so inspiring that I figured it was time to go back and begin formal studying in a more... well, formal and studious way. I started these off a tutorial contained in the first part of thread, but I don't think I actually completed the tutorial... and I don't really remember what I was supposed to be doing. My attention span can be short. Anyway, I was rather pleased, so I thought I'd go ahead and share. If you hate them, please ignore, and I'm sorry if this is the wrong spot!

I hope the forums automatically resize these..... (I guess it doesn't, so I shrunk it... go-go preview!)

http://educatedsavage.com/graphics/portfolio/collage%20small.jpg

[nelchee]

I'm back :)

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/nelchee/works/th_skull.jpg (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/nelchee/works/skull.jpg)

I used a reference form the workshop.
I didn't try to duplicate it exactly, but I hope it's realistic enough... :/
(the small preview looks awesome lol :p)

[TheBladeRoden]

I want whatever tablet the school lab has!
http://students.uww.edu/RodenJA10/ravenhurst.jpg
hmm, he looks like one of those Easter island statues

[veckthor]

hello how I could post also attachments?
10x

[Dreamy Kid]

becca, i'm preparing my own skectbook thread at the moment :scream: i think i'm kind of ready to show some of my works :D, i was thinking that it's a good idea to see my own improvement ( hopefully there's any) overtime and keep track of it. I havent been able to do the challenges from this forum since the school's work have been taking most of my life...it's crazy, can't wait for the christmas holiday. I was wondering though if there's any thread about sculpting or painting using traditional medium such as acrylic or oil? i've just started the modelling lesson and it's sooo hard. oh and congrats for the new website the foundational art, i love it. i'll let you know once my personal thread is up, and hopefully you dont mind to check it out. thank you

[Rebeccak]

EducatedSavage,

Welcome aboard. :) The forum does not automatically resize your images - as long as your image is 800 pixels wide or less, I'm happy, as then no one has to scroll. I hope you continue to practice gestures - take a look at some of these paintovers and demos which I've collected on foundationalarts:

Paintovers & Demos
http://www.foundationalarts.com/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=9;t=30

Hope to see more of your progress.

nelchee,

Very nice start here. :) What I would suggest is giving a few more lighter highlights to some areas, and sharpening a few edges here and there. You can adjust the hardness / softness of your brush using the shortcuts: Shift + [ to soften and Shift + ] to harden.

Are you planning to work further on this? Would like to see an update. :)

TheBladeRoden,

Hey there, I also recommend checking out the Paintovers and Demos thread above. As well, check out this thread:

TUTORIAL - General Principles of Anatomical and Figurative Art / Cross Hatching (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=374939)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=374939

It shows some step by steps for breaking the head down into planes. Hope it helps. :)

veckthor,

Anyone may post attachments, but I recommend using an image host instead. See this thread for instructions:

New to CGTalk? Learn how to post IMAGES here! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088

The tutorial uses Photobucket as an example, but neither the image hosts Photobucket nor imageshack are allowing nudity of any kind. So I recommend trying these sites:

http://www.waffleimages.com/
http://www.paintedover.com/

Dreamy Kid,

Glad to hear we'll soon be seeing your sketchbook. Oh, and thanks a lot, I'm really glad you like the new website. :) Here are two tutorials which might help you, though there are plenty of other resources on the web with oil and acrylic painting tips:

TUTORIAL - Oil Painting Tips (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=364177&highlight=oil+painting)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=364177&highlight=oil+painting

TUTORIAL - Acrylic Painting Tips (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=363285&highlight=oil+painting)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=363285&highlight=oil+painting

Sorry for not getting back to this thread for so long...please continue to post your work here, and continue to follow the exercises. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[nelchee]

nelchee,

Very nice start here. :) What I would suggest is giving a few more lighter highlights to some areas, and sharpening a few edges here and there. You can adjust the hardness / softness of your brush using the shortcuts: Shift + [ to soften and Shift + ] to harden.

Are you planning to work further on this? Would like to see an update. :)
Thanks for the tip :) I'm having a hard time to choose between soft and hard brush settings... I really like the style this artist has: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40877650/
it is achieved mostly through hard brush strokes. I love it because it gives texture to work, unlike airbrush... but it's much easier to blend shades using airbrush... you see my dilemma. I simply don't know when to start applying hard strokes. I suppose varying hard/soft can trick an eye into seeing depth (crisp foreground, blurry and less detailed background).

I don't know wheather it's better to continue working on an older drawing, or start a new one. But I'll try what you suggested on this one, just to see how it works :)

[Rebeccak]

Thanks for the tip :) I'm having a hard time to choose between soft and hard brush settings... I really like the style this artist has: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40877650/
it is achieved mostly through hard brush strokes. I love it because it gives texture to work, unlike airbrush... but it's much easier to blend shades using airbrush... you see my dilemma. I simply don't know when to start applying hard strokes. I suppose varying hard/soft can trick an eye into seeing depth (crisp foreground, blurry and less detailed background).

I don't know wheather it's better to continue working on an older drawing, or start a new one. But I'll try what you suggested on this one, just to see how it works :)
Hi nelchee,

You're welcome. :) Btw, I checked out your photoshop collage pieces in your portfolio, and quite like the direction you're taking.

Here's a bit of a demo about edges (you can see additional demos about various topics here (http://www.foundationalarts.com/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=9;t=30;st=10)):

http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/General%20Demos/Edges.gif

http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/General%20Demos/Edges_01.jpg

http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/General%20Demos/Edges_02.jpg

http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/General%20Demos/Edges_03.jpg

A great way to sharpen your ability to see soft and hard edges is to copy a master work. I've used Caravaggio's Judith and Holofernes here as a great example of edge control - a key concept to both drawing and painting.

If you want to start on a new piece, I recommend trying a master copy like the one above. A great resource is the Web Gallery of Art, or also Artrenewal.org.

Check out the Anatomy Lesson Series Workshops to see how others have handled master copies - additionally, feel free to select from the reference indicated at the beginning of the Workshop Threads.

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 1 - The Head (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 2 - The Torso (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198

Looking forward to seeing your next project. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[Dreamy Kid]

thanks for the links becca, that's really helpful. maybe we should start a thread about sculpting? * hint:D

[tizianoadmirer]

My former colleagues made me this wonderful gift: an A5 Intuos... It's lovely, and so much better than using the mouse.... you were right Rebecca :)
Here's a rendition of one of Michelangelo's slaves. More to follow (maybe it's time to open my own humble thread, by the way)

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9817/atlas2fh1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Dreamy Kid,

You're welcome! We do have a sculpting thread here somewhere...

3D Traditional Sculptors - Post Photos Of Your Best Pieces! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257535&highlight=sculptors)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257535&highlight=sculptors

tiziano,

Great to hear the good news! I really look forward to seeing your thread. :)

[Antsidious]

Here is the final rendition of my God son. I am happy overall with the way that it came out since this is my 1st digital illustration. I do realize however that I still have a long way to go and need to increase in speed if I'm going to do this professionally one day. C&C welcome! AND- what's the advantage of Painter over Photoshop if there is one? I use Photoshop CS2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/lankiet/Seth_11.jpg

[cecill]

Hi!

I'm beginner at drawing and my knowledge of anatomy is very poor.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/9416/1en8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:bounce:

[Whiteshade]

Greetings. I'm relatively new to the art scene - started about 2 years ago but only recently taking it seriously -, and having found this community, I would really appreciate any help to improve myself. Below are two of my recent (and only) ventures into portrait art.

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/9744/avrilmn3.jpg

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/854/liannebdayvs8.jpg

[engelik]

>Whiteshade
i like wour style :) it's a bit stylized but looks great :) be carefull with the direction of the eyes (the are supposed to be looking in the same direction).

[Schneesturm]

Whiteshade, I really like your simplified style. :thumbsup: I'm waiting for more. Maybe you should start your own sketchbook thread. That way it's easy to follow your improving.

[la-bama]

i cant find a pretty simple full body reference for my assgiment
can you plz help me?

[Rebeccak]

la-bama,

Check out www.characterdesigns.com / photosets. Also check out Ben Miller's (http://justmeina.deviantart.com/gallery/) gallery (nudity).

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[la-bama]

Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=148587) i wanted to ask you something
if i want to draw anime style or like concept art im still need to practice on realstic drawings?

[Rebeccak]

la-bama,

Yes, you definitely should practice in the realistic style. :) It's really critical to understand what real form looks like in order to stylize.

[Schneesturm]

Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=148587) i wanted to ask you something
if i want to draw anime style or like concept art im still need to practice on realstic drawings?

Hey, that was really great question! :thumbsup: I wonder is somewhere a thread of that thing. Anyway nice to know that it's always usefull to practise realistic style and real anatomy.

[Rebeccak]

Hi guys,

For practice with realism, visit:

Anatomy Lesson Series Workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3911370&postcount=44)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3911370&postcount=44

For practice with manga, visit:

Workshop - Manga Thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=346067)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=346067

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[la-bama]

heres my first drawing aftermabey a year~!
i suck! i never tryd do darw this kind of pics (realstic)
here you go =[ ah and its a 15 minute skatch
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8854/picturejx8.jpg
its so hard to draw realstic stuff

EDIT: its head number 47 in the head thread lol

[FranciscoSCN]

Hi there! My name is Francisco and I'm from Portugal. I've been lurking this forum for a while and finally had the courage to post and ask for advice as I don't practice drawing at all.

I would love to hone my drawing skills in all fields as I would love to draw architecture as much as organic things. I imagine alot and I long for the day I can bring to life half the things I visualize. Since a child that I love to draw but I never really took it serious and followed the computer path and am currently in the 2nd year of Comunications and Multimedia degree.

So yeah, boring things apart, what can you guys recommend me to initiate practice? I have a major problem when drawing things in prespective as I can never give a reallistic feeling to my drawings. Also, I hear that head, hands, legs and overall body studies help alot on human pose. And about architecture? What should I do?

I really like drawing and I won't die happy if I can't draw what I imagine, so I really want to get started. Here are some drawings of mine from 8th grade (all of them by watching pictures, in this case of hands and a rose. Also note it was only done with a simple pensil so not much detail I think).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Roz.pT/01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Roz.pT/02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Roz.pT/03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Roz.pT/04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Roz.pT/05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Roz.pT/06.jpg

Thank you =)

[Schneesturm]

heres my first drawing aftermabey a year~!
i suck! i never tryd do darw this kind of pics (realstic)
here you go =[ ah and its a 15 minute skatch
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8854/picturejx8.jpg
its so hard to draw realstic stuff



The truth is that it's not easy, though model (/reference picture) may seem simple! I think it is hard to understand for many of us. It's quite natural that your 100th drawing is not so good than someone others 10'000th drawing. Nobody can get awesome results immediately. Patience is essential for artist. I'm not any kind of pro, but that's what I have noticed.


Cheers
-Schneesturm

[DivineRAiN]

heyyas.. I've been lurking around here a lot lately, since I got myself back into the groove of traditional drawing (practicing n learning). Been trying to draw at least something once a day along with shading eggs and other shapes. One day I'll get the scanner hooked up to my computer... I took photographs of these drawings to get them on my hd. Used ref pics from the Alexander movie that I converted to b/w. The pic on the left was my 3rd attempt with the same ref pic.. the first attempt was so messed up, and the 2nd attempt there was a lil improvement. The eyes don't seem to be looking in the same direction.. I struggled with that, but it refused to get any better. The rest of the head's missing because it was that way in the ref pics.

http://www.terranuts.com/photopost/data/514/drawn1.jpg

[holdensc]

Hi everyone. I'm a lifelong scribbler who'd love to improve his skills. I've never trained formally, and that shows I'm sure, but I've stumbled into a number of illustration and character design commissions through my Graphic Design background.
Anyway, I'd love to start focussing a whole lot on just being a better draughtsman. I really can't believe what an unbelievably great resource you guys are providing here, and I can't wait to get involved.
So here are a few recent sketches. Any comments would be great. Please, be brutal. At this point, I think I should really focus on improving my life drawing skills. RebeccaK, thanks for providing such a great resource in your experience and feedback on this thread. I've been learning just by reading thru and following others' progress.
'nuff said
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/477/1270/1600/nude1.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/477/1270/1600/nude_thumbs.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/477/1270/1600/Brisco2.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/477/1270/1600/eric1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Hi everyone,

Welcome to all the new people! :) My apologies for the delay in a response. I think that everyone here ought to check out this great tutorial for beginning drawing:

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60753

Please feel free to post your work here.

Cheers, :)

-Rebeccak

[holdensc]

I wasn't very successful at uploading images in my first post. So let me try it again. Once again, this is just some recent stuff to start me off. I have started the 2-5-15 exercise and will post that in a couple of days.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/brisco1
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/socrates1.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/life_thumbs.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/life1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

holdensc,

Nice stuff here! I look forward to seeing your exercises. :)

[zaknafein99]

Grat Thread, this is a painting i'm doing for a friend and for exercise, it's my first painting, i'm a newbie and i'm kinda stuck with the face, any advice??

[cecill]

Hi, I drew this an hour ago. Comments and critique are very welcome :bounce:

[Rivulet]

(Sorry, kinda botched her right eye there. Forgive me for the lined paper, lol)

I've been using the Loomis anatomy lessons but there's still something strange... well anyway, I followed everything Loomis said (I think) except that I use a manga style and I added a bit more substance between the shoulder and neck as it would have looked too long otherwise. The thing that's bugging me is that I can't get the sides of the ribcage down right. The positioning of the breasts also look weird. I mean, if Loomis says they're a third of a head from 2 head's length down then okay...

I left the construction lines there. Ah yes, I'm only working on the torso at the moment. I'm gonna work on it bit by bit as opposed to everything at once.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a225/Ciels55/2.jpg

[holdensc]

maxed out - i'm trying FileDen now. Here's my first 2-5-15 sketches. Copied from Michelangelo's David sculpture I have in a book.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/nov25_A

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/nov25_B

The 2 and 5 minute sketches are far from accurate, I can see. I need to work on getting my proportions correct, clearly. I worked with the same technique for all of these, starting with the head with cross-section, followed by spine/line of action. Then I put in rough torso and midsection shapes and then I sketched in the limbs from there.

I think the 15 minute sketch is much better proportionally but the left lower leg seems a little short, or maybe I haven't gotten the foreshortening right. Eek, the feet look like hooves. I'm pretty bad at feet and hands. But I think overall it's not terrible.

Rebecca, are there any techniques or tutorials you could point me to to improve a) measuring the figure and b)doing more effective gesture drawings. I never know exactly what to focus on (line, proportions, shape?).

Thanks. Any and all feedback would be warmly welcomed.

Holden

[holdensc]

Nice to see other folk posting on this thread. You guys all seem to be fairly new here - so am I.

zaknafein - this looks like a really good start. Are you going to build it up any more? I really like the shading on her face. Is there a complete skecth underneath this or are you just working from shape to shape? I could never work this way. I need to know my whole structure - but I'm anal that way.

cecil - Boy, I really like your expressive lines. And you've really captured a great expression. One thing I notice, though (and I may be wrong), but are the eyes too close together? Still, I think it's a really nice portrait. What was the source? Is it a master copy?

[Rebeccak]

Hi guys,

Some good links to check out are listed here:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=433593

I'll check back in soon. :)

[holdensc]

Another 2-5-15.
I used this great painting by Judson Huss as a reference.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/JudsonHuss.jpg

I found this one uber-challenging. I tried about 4 2-minute sketches and 3 5-minute sketches. Still couldn't get it right. Why are all the proportions so out of whack? I tried several ways of analysing the pose, but I ended up just sort of following the contours.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/nov25_C

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/nov25_D

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/nov25_E

[cecill]

cecil - Boy, I really like your expressive lines. And you've really captured a great expression. One thing I notice, though (and I may be wrong), but are the eyes too close together? Still, I think it's a really nice portrait. What was the source? Is it a master copy?

Thanks holdensc. It's a master copy and I think you are right that eyes are too close together.

[Eelce]

I finaly got a wacom, and i'm very happy with it! This is a drawing I just made (the ear was a real pain in the *ss):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/Eelke/Profile.jpg
How should I start shading it, some tips would be welcome.

[Ivy00]

I just found this thread not too long ago, I love it thanks Rebecca for your time and sharing your knowledge.

Here is my assignment 1

I chose to work in photoshop 7 instead of pen and pencil. I have to get used to sketching on the pc and find my style is a bit different from my pencil drawings , it is also a bit hard to get used to :) I have some nice books I picked up a long time ago at a sale, the book of art I, II and III, lots of nice masters reference material in them. The last one I did had some really interesting curves and lines on the body and was harder for me to sketch.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1230395/A1Gesturals1.jpg


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1230395/A1gesturals2.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1230395/A1gersturals3.jpg

[cecill]

Hi everyone. :)

One more piece from me.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9595/061202zb3.jpg

[holdensc]

Hi all.

I've been off camping for a week, so I have some catching up to do. I got Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy book and I've been working through that. I started with heads, but I quickly realised his system requires that you start with the torso, so I went about trying to get a feel of his system, using the rounded block for the upper and wedge for the lower torso.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/My%20Documents/Hogarth%20Studies/thumbs/hogarth_torso1_Dec4

This was my first study. About 20 min. Not really concentrating on proportions or anything. Just warming up.


http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/My%20Documents/Hogarth%20Studies/hogarth_Dec4_TorsoBackMusc.jpg

My second one. Now I'm getting serious. I spent 1:45 on this. Studying the muscles, where they cluster and tense up etc. I'm fairly happy with this, but I think I got the leftshoulder wrong. It's too close in to the spine. I learned a lot from doing this study. So, I went on to a female torso study...


http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/My%20Documents/Hogarth%20Studies/hogarth_Dec4_Torso2.jpg

Spent about 25 min.s here. I know the breast look all wrong. a) right breast is too small, and b) they don't sit well on the torso shape.


http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/My%20Documents/Hogarth%20Studies/hogarth_Dec4_FigNotation.jpg

Some quick figure notation copies, focussing on the torso shape and twisting. About 5 min each.

[holdensc]

Continuing on from there, I did a 2-5-15 study of another Hogarth sketch. Somehow, I went backwards. (Arggh, I'm cracking under pressure!)

2 min
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/My%20Documents/TwoFiveFifteen/dec5_A.jpg

5min
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/My%20Documents/TwoFiveFifteen/dec5_B.jpg

15min
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/12/1/447132/My%20Documents/TwoFiveFifteen/dec5_C.jpg

As always, I'd love to hear some constructive feedback. Speaking of which...

[holdensc]

It seems Rebeccak isn't arond much lately. In her absence perhaps we could keep the thread a little more alive by offerring each other our own feedback. I'm certainly no expert... toddler would be a better description... but if enough of us fumble around in the dark maybe we can stumble across the light switch. I offer these comments purely in the spirit of mutual learning, and because I'd love to get some feedback from you guys.

Eelce - I just found these tutorials. I think they may be exactly what you're looking for:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3706764#post3706764
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=381097
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=381097
If this is your first Wacom sketch I can't wait to see your progress. You already have a lot of control in your lines. Great start, IMHOP.

Ivy00 - welcome to the thread. These seem pretty good to me. If there's one thing that jumps out to me it's that you could try more to describe the shape and mass of the figures, rather than the contours. But I get the sense that maybe you are are much more experienced on paper and that these are early wacom days for you. I think I'll have to give this wacom sketching a try...

cecill - another nice expressive portrait. Are these drawn from life or imagination?

Holden out.

[Eelce]

Thanks :D

I will check 'm out later, this week i've got an exam week at school, so I haven't got any time to draw. You're study's look realy good.

[thek]

I'm blown away by the obvious progress on display and some of the work in here! Absolutely fantastic stuff. Today, I'm making a stand - I'm going to join you lot here in the beginner's lounge, because I want to improve as much as you guys are, and it seems you lot are having all the fun doing so :)

I see a lot of gorgeous Hogarth sketches here - they're just stunning. When I flicked through his book, I thought his style looked dated, but looking now I can really see the beauty and the educational value in his work. I've bought the Vilppu manual which I've flicked through (yeah, I actually told myself I'd be making this stand several months ago!) and it seems at odds with the solid, defined blocks of Hogarth - I guess mixing them together to form appropriate syntax for my way of thinking is going to be my particular mountain to climb.

Some (unqualified!) crits:

holdensc, loving your work - excellent fluidity and quality of line! It seems to me your latest 5 and 15 minute sketch have more fluidity than the 2 minute one, as if you had a stronger gesture drawing. I actually can't see any gesture guidelines in your 2 min sketch! I'm nitpicking really, your drawings are amazing.

cecill, like holdensc says, very expressive. There's a lot of mood coming through that portrait! One thing I will say is it seems obvious you drew the left eye (stage left) first because the right eye seems like it was thrown in to fit. The reason I seem to think that is because I have a problem doing the second eye, and usually the second eye has less detail and care giving a similar 'disconnected' look. I could be wrong though.

Ivy00, your 15 minute sketches are beautiful! There's such a huge difference in you 15 minute sketches to your 2 and 5 minute ones. With your 15 minute ones there's real rhythm and weight, the gesture shines through - but with your 2 and 5 minute sketches it appears you're going straight for a rough contour drawing rather than nailing the gesture.
From what I've read and briefly experienced, it helps to nail the gesture first, using an action gesture drawing. Glenn Vilppu and Mike Matessi (author of FORCE drawing) have both eulogised the action gesture drawing (something that confused me a lot - and still does to an extent) basically drawing the force behind the pose rather than the pose itself. Solid forms are then built upon that. All that said, if that's the way you prefer to work, then don't change it - the results speak for themselves :)

[Ivy00]

thek - Thank you for the kind words, it is really encouraging for me to see them :) I decided to start from the start, also it has been many years since I have done any human drawings or sketches. When I learned we never did gestures we did contour drawings, even though it has been a while I think it is embedded in my brain. What I am going to have to do I think to nail the gesture and action is to find some dancer photos online and practice trying to capture the flow and movement of the figure. I havealso been reading and looking at a lot of student gesture drawings and hopefully it will help. You might want to try out the new masters workshop thread in this same forum.... It started just a few days ago and is excellent for learning, lots of fun too.

[holdensc]

Welcome thek, and a big thanks for your perceptive and thorough feedback!

I really think the one big reason to post on this thread is so that we can learn from each other and inspire each other to get better at whatever we're aiming for. Showing off your work has a small immediate gratification to it, but the lasting value is in giving each other feedback, no matter how tentative or unsure we are about our opinions and knowledge levels. I'm writing this for everyone on this thread, and, as always, it's all just ne guy's opinion.

Yep, I'm working my way through Hogarth's book, and I feel similarly to you about it. It looks old school (way old school), and I'm not even that interested in the kind of superhero illustration he seems to gear his books toward. But I did notice in his book a system of understanding and thinking about the body that I felt I really needed to understand. So my mission right now is to really understand and draw all the mechanics of the body, so that I can then move on and apply it to the types of drawing I am interested in. I understand from reading through various forums is that there are many better artistic anatomy books out there, but right now I'm just going to focus on what I can get from Hogarth.

I've heard of the Vilppu book. Wasn't he the life drawing teacher at Disney? I'd like to find out how his method differs. Hogarth is all about construction, like you're building a human body, and this differs from what I know of starting with a gesture.

About your critique - you're right about my 2min sketches being less fluid. I think I'm going through a transitional phase where I'm trying to learn all these new techniques, so sometimes when I go to start a drawing I don't know how to proceed. So I end up with something really awkward looking. I figure the trick is just to keep going and all this stuff will sort itself out in my head eventually. BTW thanks for your enthusiasm about my work, and everyone else's.

Finally, thek, let me just say that I was in your shoes only a few weeks ago, looking at all this stuff on this thread and seeing these enormous improvements in skill, and getting fired up to imrpove my own skills. The one thing I did differently to my normal behaviour was that I dove in and posted some stuff I already had lying around on my hard drive. Since then, because I have a forum for showing even the simplest drawing, I've become driven every day to draw at least one study. It's been infectious. So let me say: do it! Post your stuff! and see what happens...

Now before I post my new stuff, I'd just like to say I am aware that this thread is for beginners, and I can't fairly say I'm a beginner to drawing. I've been doodling for years and years. But I am a beginner in actually learning how to draw well. I learn heaps from looking at people's work here and reading critiques. I hope you don't mind (everyone), and let me know if you do.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/hogarth_dec7_torso.jpg

A Caravaggio study: St Jerome
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/caravaggio_dec7_pen.jpg

More Caravaggio - I had a book of his lying around and I though I'd do a couple of studies to try to get the feel of saggy old skin and the underlying muscles. Trying to bring in the structural stuff I'm learning. Not quite there yet.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/caravaggio_dec7_pencil.jpg

A quick copy of a Rembrandt sketch
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/rembrandt_actors_dec7.jpg

I decided to do a full skeleton study, mostly because I feel a need to understand what's happening underneath the muscles now. I stuffed up the ribcage a little, but I learned from it. The more you dig, the deeper the well...
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec8_skeleton_m.jpg

As always, critiques and comments most welcome.
Cheers all.

[Rebeccak]

Heya holdensc,

You're doing a terrific job here of encouraging others and commenting - this is most welcome, as I think this thread has been around long enough to self-sustain, and has enough examples of peoples' work and progress for newcomers to be able to get something valuable from it. It's really impossible for me to reply to all Workshop threads that have ever been created on the Anatomy Forum, since by now there are so many! :) So I appreciate when someone steps up to provide leadership in a thread like the Beginners' Lounge. Thank you! :thumbsup:

To all newcomers, welcome, and I hope that you guys continue to provide support and encouragement, as well as constructive feedback to one another.

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[thek]

Phew, I’ve been trying to write this post for ages – of all times for the forum to malfunction!

Ivy, getting photos of dancers is a great idea! I'd strongly recommend looking at the free gesture essays that Glenn Vilppu has got on the animation world website - he actually goes into more detail there than he does in his drawing manual! There's also a video of him doing a gesture drawing in stages so well worth checking out. You can see read it here: http://www.awn.com/mag/issue3.3/3.3pages/3.3vilppudrawing.html

Strangely, since my attempted personal renaissance, I've found the simple gestures the hardest. When it's someone striking a classic pose then to some extent the drama in the extremes of the pose can hide inaccuracies but the simple stuff (a simple walk, someone standing straight) I have a lot of difficulty communicating the subtlety. It's definitely something I need to work on a hell of a lot more!

thanks for the heads up on the masters workshop! I downloaded one master work and attempted a 2,5,15 minute study. It was the hardest thing I've done in ages! I'll scan the results and post them up tonight. I was looking at the figure and I just couldn’t understand the masses, and the pose. I suppose the good thing is things can only get better from here! <- me being positive.

Holdensc, yep – Vilppu was the life drawing instructor at Disney. Having his book has been quite the revelation. And I haven’t even got past chapter 2! Well, that’s partly because it’s such a stretch (forgive the gestural pun) understanding how his gesture construction works. What’s in there is very much less technical than what I’ve seen of Hogarth, which is why I think mixing Hogarth with Vilppu (and possibly Bridgman) might be the way to go. I’d love to buy some of Vilppu’s DVDs in which he explains the concepts in his book, but it’s foolish budgeting for that during Christmas ;) When you said you sometimes don’t know where to start, for me, I just start with the head now. Vilppu has this mantra, “there are no rules, only tools” but he always starts with the head so by following I automatically have my starting point. Rebeccak made a post somewhere else on the forums with 5 steps to getting the pose on paper – and when I read that a couple of days ago, the first thing I did was to write down the five steps on a piece of paper. It’s helped with my confidence immensely.

I'll be taking all your advice on board - now that I've (with this post!) broken the 2 post barrier I'll upload some recent studies. Until now I've felt a bit like the failed rock star who becomes a cynical music critic - a perpetual doodler who has lacked the motivation and confidence to take this passion for art to the next level. You’re right, by posting here it throws down a marker, saying this is where I stand now. Also, it was a strange feeling, but when I was doing the 2,5,15 minute workshop exercise yesterday, it felt like there was more pressure because I knew I’d be uploading the results.

Don’t worry about not being a beginner – I for one am glad you’re here and I love the fact I can see such a wide spectrum of quality permeating throughout the thread! The studies you just posted are great; I especially love the Rembrandt study and the skeleton. On certain sketches you bring out this amazing quality of line that I admire greatly. The Caravaggio (dec7) drawing is lovely – you actually did that in pen? It’s really nicely rendered. Similarly the other Caravaggio drawing really brings out the forms of the figure, enforcing the impression of solid mass. The only critique I’d give is the arm to the (stage) right, which appears to have been rendered flat – out of sorts with the solidity of the rest of the drawing. The Dec7 Hogarth drawing is the least accomplished of the bunch – the form is there but it lacks the style and flair of your other drawings. I think it might be just because you weren’t as confident in taking it on?


Right, off to scan some pics!

[thek]

I forgot to say in my previous post, many thanks to Rebeccak for your dedication, patience and time spent throughout this forum. Your enthusiasm inspires me and I'm certain, many. Cheers :)

Upon Holdensc's advice, I've scanned in some recent attempts at drawing. This first is me trying Loomis' Ball and Plane head construction method. I understand everything up until he starts to actually place the features upon the plane, and I'm still not sure how he gets those cheekbone positions!

http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/IMG_0003.jpg

These are some gesture drawings that I've attempted after reading the first chapter of Vilppu's manual.

http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/IMG_0005.jpg

http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/IMG_0006.jpg

http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/IMG_0007.jpg

Right, thanks to Ivy I downloaded Titan from the masters workshop and attempted to do a 2, 5 and 15 minute study. It was probably the most traumatic mental experience I've had in the past couple of months - I just couldn't get my head round the pose! I think it was the muscles beneath his arms - I could see that the statue made sense but when it came to getting it onto paper, my brain wasn't sure how those muscles fit in.

http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/titan.jpg


Here's the 5 min sketch:

http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/titan2.jpg

The 5:
http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/titan5.jpg

And the 15 (well, 10 because I was interrupted):
http://www.sammakko.co.uk/modules/config/titan15.jpg

If you look closely you can see a hookshape which is the basis of the spine. But there's no way that spine can be right can it? I think it might be the position of the neck that's confusing me too - maybe the head is sunk into the neck cavity? Any advice as to how to create a proper drawing as opposed to what I always end up with (a rough looking sketch!) would be very much appreciated!

I'm going to try another master copy later. I've had the shock now :)

[holdensc]

Thek, you've posted your stuff. Right on! And you've made a fine start. I think it's a good idea to set a program for yourself when you start, whether that program is to learn a particular system or approach, or to tackle specific problems you see in your own drawing or whatever. The reason I say this is because I've come to realise that the only way to improve is to consciously set yourself goals to achieve and to figure out ways to achieve that. So I think you've made a smart start by saying "I'm learning gesture and I'm learning it from Vilppu".

And these gestures are really good. I particularly like the 2 full-page ones (before your master studies). They show that you're thinking about balance and proportion and the pose as a whole. And they work. I think the key is to do stacks and stacks of these at this stage. If you want to build the gesture up to a fuller sketch, maybe you could start working on simple mass exercise like drawing cubes & spheres, and then start integrating those into, or on top of the gestures. I recently found a copy of Vilppu and I'm pretty sure he gets into that stage later in the book.

I can see your issue with the spine on your master studies. I'm not sure about this, but I think this is a point about the gesture sketch. From my understanding of the approach, the gesture is not an anatomical stucture but a feeling of the action of the pose. So a gesture line may begin by describing the spine at the base and finish at the left shoulder or the head, or whatever, as long as it gives a feeling of the action of the pose. Then from this you build up the basic anatomy. I''m not really sure about this, but it's a rough guess. To me, that hook shape you have works well in describing the line of action from the left shoulder, across the shoulders and down the spine, in terms of the weight of the boulder pushing down against his torso. Hope this helps...

For you, as for me, I wouldn't be too concerned about making great pictures right now. Be more concerned about learning from each picture you make. Be conscious of what you're learning and what you need to learn as a next step.

As a case in point of this, I've been working through the Hogarth book and treating each drawing as a lesson. And then I decided to do a quick study of the Caravaggio, to see how far I could push myself. And I tell you that I could probably have done these studies with more or less the same measure of success prior to starting my studies. But I learned my shortcominds, primarily that I still need to understand proportion and underlying anatomy to a better degree. Those aren't the only issues I have with them, but that's what I feel I need to focus on. And to add to that list, I need to do some exercises to free up my lines.

One bit of advice I keep running into in these threads is that there are no shortcuts to becoming a good artist. You just have to do the hard yards.

So here's what I've been up to lately. No serious studies, but I lurked around Borders the other day (it was incredibly hot and I needed air con) and drew. I really enjoy doing this, trying to capture the character of complete strangers...

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/cafe_dec06_1-1.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/cafe_dec06_5.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/cafe_dec06_4.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/cafe_dec06_7.jpg

[thek]

Great location sketches Holdensc! I love that exaggerated style you've got going there - it really brings out the character of your subjects. Out of interest, how do people react when they see you sketching? It's something I've always been tempted to do, but I'm quite self concious and wouldn't know how to react should someone come up to me and accuse me of being a pervert, a paedophile or even worse - a terrible 'artist' who will never amount to anything :D

Thanks for the all the great advice too. I did flick on through the Vilppu manual, and you're right - the next steps involve fitting spheres and boxes into the gesture. It looks bloody tough, but I'm saying "I'm learning gesture, then form, and I'm learning it from Vilppu!".

The hook shape in my Titan study does appear to make sense from a gestural standpoint, but always on my mind is 'how would I be constructing this if there was no model'. I think if I didn't know where the spine was I'd struggle to add the mass. I do love Vilppu's style though, which is why I've decided to stick with him despite the mental gymnastics his methods require me to do. The hard yards await!

[holdensc]

Thanks, Thek. To be honest, my sketching on location has rarely raised an eyelid from the people around, and when it has it's usually from people next to me who have noticed what I'm doing. If they want to see, I show them and they're satisfied. Occassionally, when you're trying to draw someone who's facing you they catch what you're doing, so it's good to practice a way of looking out the corner of your eye while facing your sketch. And it's not good to stare (for obvious reasons all our mums taught us). I dunno, I've never been punched out and I don't see why anyone would think I'm a pervert for drawing a picture. Bad artist, maybe, but who are they to talk?

By the way, I've given a shot at the master study as well, also chose the Titan. I decided to give it a go as a digital sketch. My stuff is on the thread.

[bonim]

Here are some samples of my life drawing work. I've studied anatomy for ... well, actually, since I was a small child. When I was 6 and 7 I was frustrated because the adults were protecting me from seeing nude photos or drawings that I wanted to see to learn from. An instructor when I was nine finally found a way ... there were some figure drawing books he found that were discrete. Heck I was nine, I didn't care. So here are some of my pieces. I hope my comments aren't unnecessary fluff.

By the way ... these were done in 1985 or 6, when I went back to college to get my degree after over ten years of being away from college. I'll have more to post later. Comments as always is very much needed.

[Ivy00]

sorry I haven't been around to post new things, but have been pretty busy in RL and got caught up in the daily sketch forum ( love that area :) ) as well as trying to finish my Eon illustration.

Theck - your sketches are great, glad you went to visit the masters workshop forum, there are some really interesting works there for reference and besides it is fun to see the works progress.

holdensc - your onsight sketches are awesome, I love the character the people have and I can see your own personal style coming out in them.

bonim - :) really glad to see you here, the sketches you posted are reallly nice, I am not sure if I even have any older stuff to post, and I never had the chance to really get a grip on human anatomy. Looking forward to seeing some new stuff from you and hope we can all learn a bit from each other :) :)

[bonim]

:bounce: Wow. These images are great! I love what you ... "we"? are all doing here. Okay. Here is some more of the pieces I promised. Most are drawn from life only ... with one from imagination.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/5minsketches.jpg

5 minute timed sketches.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/TorsoLegs.jpg

From a model workshop. For $6.00 artists come to a studio and sketch various models all day. A great treat. If you live in the San Jose California area you might like to look it up (They use Mission College).

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/FlutePlayer.jpg

From model workshop.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/BeardedMan.jpg

Again from the model's workshop. These last two were 30 minute drawings.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/PregWoman.jpg

From my college croque class. Unfortunately I learned later that this brave woman lost her baby. :sad:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/BackNude.jpg

About an hour's worth of drawing from my croque class.

Finally is the illustration sketch. Not nearly as good as the others ... no model.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/FantasySketch.jpg

Now you know a bit of my style and technique. My problem I've found is a lack of control of the pen in the wacom tablet. I can't get the "mark" to follow where I need it to go. Is there something I don't get? Also oddly enough, I don't block out my drawings or do under drawings, I just start to draw. I've done it this way since I was 2 .... so ... I do have a problem there.

Please let me know what you think ... and if I can be of any help (I've taught traditional drawing to private students before)

Thank you for viewing.

Sincerely
Boni M

[holdensc]

Hi Boni M - These studies are really great. I particularly like the pregnant woman. Great sense of mass with that belly.

Regarding wacom drawing I have found a couple of tutorials on this site that might be of help...
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthr...764#post3706764 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3706764#post3706764)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=381097
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=381097
I have had a wacom for a while, and I'm comfortable using it for a couple of graphic design needs, but not for drawing. I also get frustrated with the lack of accuracy, but I think the hand-eye-screen co-ordination just improves with practice. I recently started my first serious attempt at a wacom drawing in PS for the Open Master challenge and I'm now really enjoying it. I'm surprised by how forgiving the medium is.

One thing that may make your wacom more responsive is if you fiddle with the pen pressure settings and the like in your Wacom System Prefs. I have found this to work somewhat, but I think I've run up to the problem that 512Mb is just not enough RAM to get it working fluidly enough. I get a time lag on large strokes.

Ivy00 - thanks for the kind words. For me, revealing character is the ultimate goal for my art. I hope to improve immeasurably from where I am but it's great to know you're seeing what I'm hoping to convey. I'll check out the daily sketch thread to see your work...

[Ivy00]

getting used to drawing with the wacom is something that does take much practice, which is why I put away my beautiful set of gretacolor drawing pencils and picked up the wacom and forced myself to use it. I am still having some control problems, but the more you use it the more it becomes comfortable in your hand and mind. I think one of the hardes things for me, is the fact that when I draw I work flat, same as when I paint traditionally, so could not get used to the monitor sitting upright , it felt so weird at first. I am improving though and you guys should start using it for simple sketches and practice :)

[behindfaces]

hi everyone ,

it has been long time , hope everyone is doing good works :bounce:

hi rebbeca , i really want to joine this thread again but with the same old works ( that i did not have any comments for them ) :cry: for updating
so can i ?

and if i have done with new sktch sure i will be galde to attche them :sad:
thanx rebbeca for your great efforts :thumbsup:

[bonim]

Hea, BehindFaces, I'm a newbie, but I'll be bold and say go ahead. We will help you out, you help us out. I haven't gotten but a few comments on mine, though they've been good and very, very helpful. hang in there. Rebecca has been very busy, according to a recent post.

Sincerely
Boni

[behindfaces]

Hea, BehindFaces, I'm a newbie, but I'll be bold and say go ahead. We will help you out, you help us out. I haven't gotten but a few comments on mine, though they've been good and very, very helpful. hang in there. Rebecca has been very busy, according to a recent post.

Sincerely
Boni

dear boni
thank you so much for your sweet kind words friend :love: , but you know i was taking a tour :eek: between threads since an hour and i find ohhh God so much great works here
i am just not a student of any art school , simply i just want to draw in right way
but with helping hands like you i am sure i can learn right

thanks again boni :love:
i will attche my not good works soon :thumbsup:

[bonim]

I've been an artist in one way or another all my life ... but to be honest only paid very little for an illustration, design and portrait here and there. I have taught art ... so let me offer my services to you. Show me your stuff here and I will critique it and give you some exercizes to help you hone your skills. If you don't mind. This way anyone else who would like to do the same thing can follow along. Perhaps we can start a tutorial thread on drawing ... but I don't want to be presumpuous.

Boni

[behindfaces]

boni , i just do not know how to thank you for your supporting me
i really apprecaite it much

ok here are some of what i tried to draw right

[img=http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2029/handsgs2.th.jpg] (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handsgs2.jpg)

[img=http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/7451/legspe8.th.jpg] (http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legspe8.jpg)

[img=http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/599/facego8.th.jpg] (http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facego8.jpg)


i have still some tinnnnny works to attach :argh: , but i think i need to work on the stdy of eyes legs hands :rolleyes:

so i will waite for you instructions boni

i really loved your works :thumbsup: esp. the pregnant woman really very good works :applause: :applause:

[thek]

holdensc, you're right of course, and I was half joking in my post, but everything here these days is about being politically correct and protecting kids. I'm working on a school website at the moment, and the deputy head was telling us how 2 polish guys were waiting for their ride outside the school and they were watching the children playing. The school called the police and the poor men, who didn't speak much english, were pretty shaken up by the whole affair. Ridiculous of course. Still, your sketches motivated me to get out there and do some real life observing. It was tricky, and the results aren't good, but t'was great fun :)

live gestures from today's train journey. Each under 10 secs, sketched using Pocket Artist running on a PDA.
-reading newspaper on the edge of the seat:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/thek_01/newspaper.jpg
-heading for the door, holding files:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/thek_01/atdoor.jpg
- Messing about with some sort of device, rectangular something between legs:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/thek_01/mobilephone.jpg

Bonim, you've done some fine drawings there! You've definitely got an eye for tone and great shading technique. The accuracy and character of your drawings is also excellent, capturing an essence of each model. Your drawing from imagination lacks perspective accuracy though - the gesture works, but the body proportions seem off (especially evident in the way the closer hand is smaller than the hand further away). Maybe it'd be easier to start by establishing the vanishing points of your environment before placing the character? That way you can align the axes of the body and judge the foreshortening. I also noticed that in this one:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/BackNude.jpg

- maybe the torso is a little too long by a couple of head lengths? It should be about 3 heads. Again, the shading and everything else is excellent - sort your proportions out and your drawings will be amazing!

Ivy, cheers, and yes, I've seen your daily, and sometimes twisted daily sketches! I love the fact you convey the fun you have into your subjects :) I hope to participate in those one day. Once I can organise my time better.

Behindfaces, you've made a great start here! Hands and feet are VERY tricky to get right but you're almost there! Are these from a model? I'd recommend getting some anatomy reference books so you can experiment with some different techniques of creating hands and feet using construction. The curves can come after you've laid down the basic structure. Keep posting your drawings here and we'll all help you improve (as I hope you'll all help me improve :) )

Did some more gestures this morning. Again, trying to get the gesture down as quickly as possible:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/thek_01/IMG_0003.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/thek_01/IMG_0002.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/thek_01/IMG_0001.jpg

[behindfaces]

thek you brought me to life with your kind words :)
you right i will try working hard coming days
and will post some new sketches soon :D
i will also try to parctice more :bounce: ,
i liked your live gestures sketchs :applause: :applause: thanks theeeeek

[bonim]

Thek: You've got it right on about the torso. When drawing from live models I don't always have the visual accuity to see one section of my drawing while working on another, I adjust that later. I posted that image because what was lacking in proportion, I liked in detail and character. :) Your gestures are great ... I use to do that myself, but I'm impatient for details so I take a little longer and do 5 to 20 minute pieces as my "short" pieces. I also now use Poser since I no longer have access to a studio and live models ... I use my anatomy knowledge to adjust where Poser lacks.

Behindfaces: You have a basic ability to copy visually. What I would suggest as Thek did books on anatomy ... but also practice drawing the body as a collection of cillenders ... as with the art book "The Figure: An Artist's approach to drawing and construction" by Walt Read. That is a good solid beginner's book.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/TheFigure.jpg

(For instructional perposes only a page from The Figure)

From there I would also suggest Anatomy for the Artist by Peck (don't have the book in my studio at the moment so I don't recall the auther's first name though this is my personal favorite) As is The Human Figure by John H. Vanderpoel.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/Vanderpoel.jpg

A page from Vanderpoel's book.

My copy is falling apart I use it so much.
A real find is Anatomy for the Artist by Jeno Barcsay.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/BarcsayStudy.jpg

This is actually one of my own study page drawings from the Barcsay book.

This has just been reprinted in a new smaller spiral version ... I have the bulky big one!

Thank you for your observations, and I hope I've been of assistance as well.

Peace
Boni

[bonim]

Ivy00: Your words about the wacom helped a lot. I'm still struggling with it, but it's getting better and better.

Holdensc: The Photoshop painting tutorial you linked me to was fantastic. I don't use quite the same style, but I must say I learned a months worth of formal lessons from that one tutorial (the Nymph).

Thank you again.
Boni

[Ivy00]

Thek - ha ha , oh oh *hides someone has discovered my twisted sense of humor in the daily sketch forum.. My Eon entry is not so twisted , I really have to get finished with that. If you do find that thread there is an awesome paintover on the first page of it of a portrait. I did have to start over with my portrait there ( inexperience made the first one good recycle bin material), the second one is a bit better but still I need lots and lots of practice.

Bonim - glad to be of help with the wacom thing, there is actually a thread somewhere on this site regarding using the wacom, and excercises for getting control of it......I just don't remember where the thread is offhand. I have an older book called drawing the face and figure by Jack Hamm along with several other drawing books, but that one is so far my favorite cheap little book for drawing people. I will try to find some of the book titles you posted and check them out.

[thek]

behindfaces, I'll look forward to seeing your new sketches, hopefully we can all learn and progress together :)

holdensc, I got round to seeing your titan study in the workshop thread. You've made a great start - any chance you could link the posts here when you update so we can follow its progress?

Ivy, I did my first daily sketch today! It was very challenging, but also fun. Loved your 'creature who tried to marry me' sketch btw! Am I right in thinking that EON is a novel for which CGSociety are running are running a competition to do the front cover?

Bonim, that was a fantastic post you made, and another great study. I'm going through Vilppu's drawing manual chapter by chapter and I'm still on chapter 1, gesture! So I'm in awe when I see the way you and holdensc render your drawings, it's something I don't do very well and wouldn't know where to start. As for working with poser, I think there's a new version of poser out specifically designed for artists. I read about it a while ago, but I seem to remember it has features for showing the hip line, shoulder line, perspective lines. It could be useful. I use photographs for gesture reference at the moment - sometimes I'll see a picture in a newspaper or magazine and try and capture the gesture. Or on TV.

Working chapter by chapter has been hard. I feel 'almost' comfortable doing gesture but don't feel confident when it comes to expressing twists in the torso and pelvis, and extreme forshortening. The next chapter is spherical forms, which I'll be reading through tonight, and doing exercises tomorrow, but I'll have to continue practicing gesture drawings simultaneously. Expect some terrible spherical form drawings tomorrow :D

[LunaticuMaster]

This is my first atempt to draw human face.

I need advices what to improve and crutiqes for the already done.Books or tutorials for my further development are more then welcomed.

Thanks

high res (http://www.slibe.com/memberimage/18baf955-The_Man_jpg/)

[thek]

Hi LunaticuMaster, welcome!

I'm short of time at this particular moment, so I'll be brief, but I just wanted to show you what a difference a few measurements can make. First, I love the shading of your drawing and the way you've captured the attitude of your model! Here's your drawing with a few quick cut and pastes:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/thek_01/LunaticuMaster20061218.jpg

I hope those measurements make sense. The chin should normally be a bit higher so it meets that bottom line, but some people do have big jaws.

All in all though, an excellent start!

[LunaticuMaster]

You are so right.If i was carefull with dimensions the image would have been lot better.Also it would look more like human.Mine looks like animal :) Now i see that.

Let this be my lesson :) for my next image.

Thanks a lot :)

Next week i will do my next drawing

[holdensc]

Oy, so much happening on this thread since I last posted. Where to begin?

Ivy00 - thanks. And practice I shall. What I've found with my master copy is that working in broad strokes is fun, and it yields good results, but as soon as I try to concentrate on detail it starts looking muddy. I think I shall have to re-watch those tutes. By the way, I've been looking for the Daily Sketch thread to see your work but for the life of me I can't find it? Could you drop me a link when you next update?

behindfaces - let me be the third or fourth one to welcome you. And to say "anatomy, anatomy, anatomy". I think Boni is 100% correct with her great post. I would simply say: find a good artistic anatomy book and use it every day. Study, copy, measure, copy more. Then test yourself with a sketch from your head or a reference. From my own recent experience, I can say that learning anatomy is very addictive, and the improvements in your skills come quicker than you might think.

thek - thanks as always for your encouragement.

Here's my updated Titan:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=4080798#post4080798

LunaticMaster - while I agree with thek, I would also recommend you try a few exercises or quick sketches to loosen up your lines. Try the 2-5-15 sketches as RebeccaK outlines at the very beginning of this thread. Or just do a bunch of 2-minute gustures. I say this because I get a sense fro your portrait that you are very detail-oriented, and some looser linework might add to your more refined sketches.

Also, as with behindfaces, I can only say "anatomy is king". Nevertheless, this is a great start and I look forward to seeing more.

Speaking of which, I recently got a couple of new books: Sheppard's "Anatomy: A complete guide" and "Drawing the Living Figure". Great because they were reasonably priced (for Australia, that is), and because they answer my need to understand how bones & muscles affect the surface anatomy. I feel like I can now get serious about studying anatomy. Here are my first results:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec18_hip-leg1.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec18_hip-leg2.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec18_hip-leg3.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec18_hip-leg4.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec18_hip-leg5.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec18_hip-leg6.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/HoldenSouthCaulfield/Dec18_hip-leg7.jpg

Keep on drawing!

[LunaticuMaster]

Yea bro.I will try the 2 minutes sketching stuff.

By the way, beatifull drawings :)

Keep drawing baby

[bonim]

Thek: Thank you so much for your comments on my post. A couple points I want to make from my own knowledge base and experience.

1. Poser for Artists ... is merely Poser 4. Without all the bells and whistles of the later versions. I've closely followed the developement of the program since 1997.
2. Gestures are a great practice way to draw. Remember to emphisize the "pressure" or flow of the figure. Arch of the back, bend of the knee or elbow. It will help you find the point of fabric folds in the future.
3. For all of the samples I've seen here. Don't forget the 3d of the drawing. show the angles and roundness of the forms. It will be your understructure. (Note the "The Figure") sample in my post.
4. Practice, copy, practice, copy, practice and ... sometimes just go out in your own back yard and draw a tree. It's a great practice activity.

Have fun.

LunaticuMaster (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=254123): You have a good start and Thek has aimed you in the right direction. But please look into books like "The Figure" I mentioned earlier, it could save you a lot of trial and error as you go. You have good expression in your work.

:)
Boni

By the way I had about 4 of Sheppard's books and as good as they are ... sometimes the perspective in the face is off as is the details in the hands. It could put those features off a little. (I guess I was also put off by the in-appropriate adolecent nudes he did of young girls) I got rid of all my books by him because of that. It wasn't that they were nude ... but their poses disturbed me. the books were published before such points were an issue.

[NR43]

Hi! Thought I'd just pop in here and say hello to the new artists.

For all of you that are interested:

the Open Figure Drawing Workshop - Mixed Masters - 020 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=437456)is still going on, which is highly recommendable to everyone!

A lot of links and other extremely useful info on books and other recources can be found in some of the subforums of the Artistic and Figurative Art Forum, namely:

References, Resources, and Supplies (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=202)

Tutorials and Workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=199)

Also, it might be a good idea to check out
TUTORIALS - Digital Painting Video Sketchbook - by Bobby Chiu (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=410461)

take care... and have fun creating,
43

[holdensc]

Boni - I agree with you about some of the accuracy in faces and hands in the SHeppards, but they don't seem to contain any of the suspect material you talk of. Maybe the publisher edited them out. Mostly I like them because their layout allows me to study in a way that suits my brain.

By the way, that Barcsay study you posted is terrific. First time I looked I thought it was another page scanned from a book! What are you working on now?

And keeping on the book them: the indomitable RebeccaK has put up a thread of Anatomy Book References....
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257424&page=1&pp=15

NR43 - Thanks for stopping by. A couple of us have already thrown ourselves into the Mixed Masters, and I agree, it's well worth trying for anyone here.

[ater]

hopefully im doing this right, Im hoping to start posting here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Atersperare/Portfolio/demo.jpg
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Atersperare/Portfolio/demo.jpg)

[kicha]

hai Rebecca and all friends! , i have been watching this anatomy thread since a long time,i always wanted to join in this but didn't have enough courage to post my childish works in between these real artworks. i saw this thread today only which is again for beginners and hence i gathered a bit courage to post my works,and hope this start a good one for me to get improved.i want you people to guide me in this field and help me to improve my drawing.first time i am posting inline and so if any mistakes ,i apologise ..
waiting for the first lesson,,,
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p302/srivatsan85/figure%20drawing%20demos/draw3.jpghttp://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p302/srivatsan85/figure%20drawing%20demos/CG1.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p302/srivatsan85/figure%20drawing%20demos/drawing2.jpg
the last one is something i did about 7 yrs ago,,that time i was happy with that one and never tried to improve further ,after a long time i came to know about this thread through my friend and was delighted to see the works on the workshop,,and now i want to improve myself ,so please help me ,all u people around there,,,thank you,,,,!

[NR43]

Hello ater and kicha
glad you guys decided to post.

some suggestions:

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 1 - The Head (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031)

Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 2 - The Torso (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=405198)(I see you found that one already ater :) )

Also interesting:

I5 Minute Sketchathon - Thread 1: Reference (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=298699)

I5 Minute Sketchathon - Thread 2: Sketches (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498)

If you are serious about improving and studying anatomy profoundly, I highly recommend starting your own sketchbook thread in the Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)forum.

Not sure how to do that? No worries, Rebecca has thought of everything :D

FAQ: Can I Create My Own Sketchbook or Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341167)

It's also a good idea that when you have created your own sketchbook / anatomy thread, to interact with the people on these forums. the best way to get good crits is to help others when you can :)

Also, if you put a link to your own thread in your signature, people will be able to take a look at your work a lot easier...


Btw, nice sketches you two
Looking forward to see lots more!

take care,
43

[kicha]

NR43-thanks for your guidance,and i hope this to continue throughout...i have started my first assignment yesterday,the head drawing,,and i will be posting my works for comments and corrections in it,
and where to and how to start my own sketchbook thread?
i saw what rebecca had told about that,but i couldn't find the exact place where the option is for starting a new sketch bookthread? so please ,could u show me the way?i searched but i couldn't see it,,waiting for reply.thanx!

[ater]

thank you NR43, I indeed have created my personal sketchbook, and hopefully I will improve with everyones support.

[NR43]

Hey Kicha, great to hear you'd like to start your own thread.

Sketchbook and Anatomy threads are located in the Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads forum. Just go there - after reading below- by clicking here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)

When you get there click the button "NEW THREAD" in the top left. Note that you can find the path of the particular forum/thread you are in above this button. This is a very handy navigation tool when visiting the forums.

Be sure to name your thread according the naming convention explained in the faq thread (see 2 posts earlier for the link).

Basically it comes down to this:
Sketchbook thread of *your name here* without the stars

or

Anatomy thread of *your name here* without the stars

Choose one of those 2 names, depending on what you plan to post in your thread.
(see faq thread for more info)

hope this helps

ater

kewl, I'll see if I can find it :)
remember that the more you give useful feedback to other people in their threads, the more you will receive the same :D

[bonim]

First I'd like to welcome all newcomers. Please feel free to post, we all have to start somewhere ... I'm just an old crone who's drawn since I could walk. I'm good at some things and still have a lot to learn with other things and you will find that applies all your life. So step on the ice and slide ......... whoosh.

Ater: That is a great beginning! You've got what I've been talking about with the shadows under the nose. Wow ... what a nice start you have.

Kicha: The roundness and the basic proportion on your pieces are very good. The top scetch is very good. You could easily go in and detail that ... study the structure of the knees and you'll have it. The face is a good tracing ... but try not to do all of your lines in one direction ... it tends to flatten the image. It's very good really.

NR43: Wonderful links thanks.

holdensc: Actually the Bacsay studies I did in the 70's. That's when I poured myself into anatomy studies and bought a ton of books. (Including the Sheppard's) Now I'm working with using Poser as a guide and the knowledge I have to combine all my studies and education to come up with something that is more than the sum of the tools I'm using. I have a visual impairment that I'm working with and the software tools help get me beyond my visual limitations. Just a note ... I've learned that the "problem" with Poser is that new users especially try to use it as the end ... not the means, and that is where Poser is used and becomes too much of a crutch in both digital and traditional art. It can take an artist away from thier goals and warp thier creative visual perspective. IMHO.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/OldMusician.jpg

This is taking Poser and using it by itself to express a piece.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/CelticDanceToTheGoddess2.jpg

This is taking Poser and making my own work from it, using Photoshop as a digital pen and ink drawing.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/XenaGabby.jpg

And this is using a photo-background and incorperating Poser figures into it. All studies, never ment to be commercial pieces. Except maybe the middle one.

So that's what I've been working on now. :)

Anatomy ... more coming.
Boni

[aggie93]

Well, I am not a newbie to this forum, but I am to digital art. I need help. So here I am.
Here is my minute gesture. I will try another.
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/4505/bl1ec0.jpg
Here is something I am working on but it is the initial step.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2982/capture1fk3.jpg
Another I just done in the last 15 to 20 minutes. TTFN
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/1632/br2sf4.jpg

[holdensc]

Ater - very nice start. This looks digital but you obviously already have great control over your lines. Nice flow to the whole thing. And I can see the construction in the head. One point I've heard in various tutorials, and tend to agree with, is not to get lost in detail, such as painting in every hair, too soon. Try building the picture up as a whole.

A few of us here have found this tutorial an EXCELLENT overview of digital painting:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=381097

Please post more. Keep it up.

kicha - you have no reason to apologise here. Firstly, we're all here just trying to get better. And second, these aren't "childish" studies. I think your first sketch shows a good starting point as far as understanding anatomy goes. And the second is a nice study of light & shade. Good expression too.

There's a wealth of resources around here. All you have to do is decide what you want to achieve or improve upon in your drawing and somebody here is bound to be able to offer advice or point you to a tutorial. I think the key is focus. If you don't really know where to start, like I did, I found RebeccaK's intro to this thread really worthwhile. It gave me a few short exercises that aren't hard to get done, as well as a good run-down on beginner's tutorials etc.

Look forward to seeing more.

boni - Your digital ink rendering technique is very nice indeed. Could be a great style for a comic or book illustration. I sense a definite story developing in these pictures (the last two).

Hey Aggie - you might find the tutorial link useful as well.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=381097

You clearly have lots of the pieces of the puzzle already. If you're aiming for highly finished pieces but you're always getting stuck on some problem or other, I'd suggest isolating the problem and do lots of studies and sketches to resolve it. That might mean torso studies, hands, rendering or whatever it might be. Hope this helps.

-------

I'm developing a regime now. I've jumped into the 15 minute sketchathon. I plan to do at least one a day to get started. Hoping to improve my digital skills so I can finish off my Titan before OFDW closes.
Here's the link:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498&page=138&pp=15

Also working on cold, hard anatomy each day. I will have some more work to post shortly.

I suppose I should start a personal anatomy thread. Soon, I promise.

Happy New Year y'all. Keep on drawing!

[holdensc]

Aggie - you updated while I was replying. That last study is right on. I can see the thinking - structure, mass, balance (you know the stuff). Lots and lots of these, methinks, will improve your work no end.

And for all - some more digital painting tutorials I found lying around here...

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=274082&highlight=Samanthie
This one looks terrific at a glance. I'll be reading this more closely. Thanks Samanthie.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436
From the prolific RebeccaK. Great overview. Amazing technique. Thanks Rebecca.

[kicha]

thanks for the suggestions HOLDENSC! here i am posting my first head-WATER.i did ti in charcoal pencil.i really dont know how to use it,because i have seen you people making magics with charcoal,but soon i will learn from you all,and one more,i dont know how to do the shading,to separate the dark and highlights,but i have tried to do somewhat.Anyway , the critics and comments and corrections are left to you people.i am waiting and i have started the second one ,soon i will be posting it.hope that i will try to do the second one more better.
thanks!
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p302/srivatsan85/figure%20drawing%20demos/DSC00007.jpg
waitng to learn more...!

[Ivy00]

Holdensc - ahhhh ok here are the daily sketches I did so far...I did Ice, Circus, Mom ( <- that one does not reflect on my upbringing in anyway what so ever , ha ha) , the creature that replaced the dog, the thing that tried to marry me, the view from my window, the dark tower on my street, cats are evil , a dino named Bo, cold and elf on the run. Let me know if you have any trouble finding them, the main forum is called mini- challenges, then click the daily sketch forum link from there.

kicha - welcome, don't ever be shy about posting your work, the first thing I really took on here is my Eon challenge entry and that was quite a step for me. I figured it would be an excellent learning experience and it has been. It has also made me push myself hard to try to do a quality digital painting. I am not sure if I have accomplished that , but have had a lot of fun trying.

ater - if you look at the little icons when you post, there is a little picture thing, if you click that you can enter the URL for your image and it will show in the thread.

Just thought I would stop in and see all the nice new work everyone is posting :) Hopefully I will get some time to do some more sketches soon.

[Antsidious]

Hello everyone. These are two illustrations that I did for my parents of my grandmothers as Christmas gifts. These are the 2nd and 3rd digital illustrations that I've ever done so I know that there is alot of room for improvement. I'm going to get them both printed on canvas after Chrismas is over. It took me too long to complete them to have them printed before Christmas. The firs is done in Painter/ Photoshop, and I need to work on the nose a little more. The second is done completely in Photoshop CS2. Thanks for looking and any constructive criticism.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/lankiet/Mawweb.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/lankiet/Grandmaw.jpg

[bonim]

Hi, thanks for the nice replies ... anyone want to see my anatomy study pages I started a thread over at Anatomy and Sketchbook ...

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=444445

Let me know what you think.
Boni

[behindfaces]

helllooo friends all by his or her name
i still here with you but have some work keeping me busy a little
and i did some few tiny scktchs but no scaner is availble now for me
but i will figure out a way to post them waiiiiiiiiiiiiite up for meeeeeeeeee

best wishes ( and happy new year )
behindfaces

[DivineRAiN]

took a photo of this drawing, which dulled out the contrast so I added some in paintshop pro,... by doing that it really brought out the texturing (moreso than in the original drawing). I had some fun scribbling away and blending to add a little bit of texture to the background and so on. Had to paint over the hair to hide a buncha white spots, and the brows... but the brows ended up being too filled in (plus they're wrong anyway). Used a paused frame from a flv animation file (take stage-chicago I think) as a reference. Another drawing of Jared Leto.. he has an interesting face for drawing.

http://www.terranuts.com/photopost/data/514/medium/nov28cjpg.jpg

and the ref

http://hometown.aol.com/divinerain/images/nov28refused.jpg

made the lips too dark, and the bottom lip sticks out a little too much -- looks very feminine in my drawing. And the iris is probably too wide. And the brow is wrong.

[bonim]

I love this image! It's done wonderfully. Don't worry about the lip or the eyebrow. You've enhanced it nicely. I might, if it were me ... and a little darker edge to the irises ... The only person I know of with eyes that pale is the American Actress Meg Foster. The original image shows a person with darker eyes than that.

Good job!

Boni

[Peca]

hi, I'm really new with both digtal and traditional art (still studying), and I did these sketches on my new wacom.. I'm practicing on eyes and noses, since I never seem to get them right:S No refrence.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7238/noseeyewq9.jpg

and a quick sketch of my hand
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2373/hnduv2.jpg

just some quick sketches of some profiles, anohter thing I find kinda hard to draw realistic. No refrence, therefore the crappy proportions.


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2275/profileswz2.jpg

[bonim]

Keep up the good work, especially on the eyes. The nose is tough. You might want to block in the planes of the nose to get the perspective better. You almost always have to have a reference for that.

The hand, proportions are good. but I would work on the "roundness" what in sketching lingo use to be called "modeling" but now that term can be confusing.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/Anatomy4.jpg



http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l224/Boni_m/Anatomy3.jpg

I would suggest a mid-range color of warm grey, and almost white for highlights in the pieces you are doing on grey "paper".

Hope this helps.
Boni

[thek]

Haven't been on here a while, and it seems there's been a lot happening! I myself slacked a little over the christmas period, probably burnt out from work, but I've been hitting the gesture drawings whenever I can.

Bonim, thanks for the advice. I'm really trying now to do as you say, and feel the volume of the form, with the pressure and the twists. In particular I'm attempting to notate the twist of the pelvis and torso easily and fluidly in a gesture drawing. I'm not there yet but I do feel more comfortable at least attempting it. Thanks for posting your studies and poser renders as well. Lovely GI effects on the poser stuff, I didn't know poser could do GI!

holdensc, the titan is coming along well! Loved your new sketches too, again the beautiful lines and forms. Your shading is coming along nicely too - I can see the style you're going for so good luck with it! When your shading hits the standard of your lines every sketch is going to be stunning, regardless of subject.

Kicha, nice sketches, especially the second! The first one of the figure is coming along nicely, keep at it! Maybe the pose could be a little more fluid/relaxed?

aggie93, those are great - you certainly know what you're doing. I couldn't possibly think of anything to change! For the time you've spent on them, they are perfect - the pose, the rhythm, the lines. Beautiful.

Antsidious, excellent shading and contrasting styles across both your portraits! I would have preferred a softer rendering style for the hair in the second portrait which would be keeping in with the style of the soft flesh tones (and possibly the background too). One thing portrait artists like to do is blend in elements of the background into their portraits - it makes the portraits more serene and balanced. But these are stylistic decisions and nothing to do with the execution of the portrait - a fine job :)

DivineRAiN, when I first saw the drawing - I thought oh no, it's overly masculine. But then I saw the reference and noticed that you've nailed essence of the portrait. Excellent. In my defence, I have no idea who Jared Leto is!

Peca, I'm not much (or at all) an authority on bringing out volumes in greyscale - to me they look great. Very nicely rendered.

[bonim]

Nice to hear from you again. I'm glad you are working on the gesture drawings. And working with the volume of the form. I recall from one of my art courses that there are several aspects to developing a drawing.

1. line
2. form (volume)
3. texture
4. composition
5. juxtaposition
6. lighting
7. color

Thank you for your kind words on my drawings and renderings. As far as Poser goes. I've always felt that the form cg community has given it a bum rap ... the newest versions are better and better. I have version 6 and am saving for 7. The GI you see is HDRI AO lighting effects and a background image. The groundplane is lined up with the horizon line to create more realistic shadows that blend with the photo. I really enjoy this part of the newer versions. I'm not a "take Vicky (most popular model from DAZ3d) put her naked in a temple with a sword" then ooo and aaaa over a masterpiece" type. I want to stretch the program to do what I want ... not make barbie doll picks. Although I admit I did that just for fun sometimes. Playing is fun sometimes.

Cheers all.
Boni

[Peca]

thank you Bonim and Thek :D I appriciate it!
I'm gonna practise as much as I can, It's true Bonim, My hands kinda look cartonish "round". Yours are great, I'll have to practise to be more like you! I'm thinking of drawing some in pencil, even though it's harder! It looks great:)

[bonim]

This really does show that we are all individuals with personal style. I would love to do my pencil drawings in cg. That is my goal to do in CG what I've traditionally done in Pencil, prismacolor and pastel/oil/watercolor. I'm getting the pen/ink techniques down.

Pencil is great. And perhaps I'll combine pencil and scan/Photoshop to get what I want. Who knows it might be a good combination. I love the feeling in all of your works here.

Boni

[Peca]

hi again, it's true.. we all got our personal styles! not sure what's mine yet though:P But I do love sketching in both photoshop and with a traditional pencil! I Also love the combination of the two, I guess I still got a lot of room for improvement in both styles:)
Thank you for taking the time to comment!

[Ivy00]

Peca - very nice sketches for your first time using your tablet :)

[avatar299]

These are 2 sketches i did just a few days ago. I'm learning to use charcoal so here it goes...
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/avatar299/italian002.jpg



I did anothe one as well. Just a sketch.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/avatar299/italian001.jpg

Any critiques would be welcome.

[Peca]

Thank you, but I've had my wacom for a few months, I've just not been drawing much on it yet. Nothing but doodeling anyway!

This is a piece i made when I've just gotten it, i made the pencil sketch for this before i bought my wacom;) I see now how totally out of balance and proportions it is (and how cartoonish it looks!), maybe I'll do it over someday:S The arm looks like it chopped off :eek:


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2986/godessofspringkl9.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=godessofspringkl9.jpg)

I'll get back to practising now:p

[holdensc]

I love this thread. You go out for a loaf of bread and when you come back there's a whole new cast of characters joining in. It's great, And very inspiring. (Apologies for the mixed metaphors).

Well, I've just started my personal anatomy thread. It's jam-packed with lots of stuff you've probably seen here before and some new stuff. Please drop by if you have the inclination.

holdensc's sketchbook thread
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=446585

Sorry I'm just a little overwhelmed to c&c on everyone's new stuff here. Can I just say this: it's always exciting to see the early progress of someone starting out because if their intent is serious and they put in the hard work, the first improvements seem always to be big and rapid. It's an exciting stage, and we would all do well to remember the feeling of these early stages.

Keep on drawing!

[badneko]

Hi !
i come back.
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/669/findelfinalck1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[nelchee]

Long time no see... :)

anyway, Rebeccak I wish to thank you for the advices and the visual tools you supplied, they've been very helpful.

I started a Caravaggio study yesterday, WIPs are posted in my sketchbook thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=446968).
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/nelchee/works/skice/mastercopy01-05.jpg

[reaveress]

Hi everybody! I`ve been looking through this forum for quite a while now, and it seemed such a friendly place that i joined.
I`d like to show a couple of my works so that i may finally get some c&c on them. I love critique as i am completely self-taught in drawing overall and in photoshop also.
Here goes nothing :)

http://www.valar.ru/gallery/1206/femme_fatale.jpg

this is a quickie i did to practice faces. I can`t seem to get the hang of skin :sad:

http://www.valar.ru/gallery/1206/landscapesmall.jpg

another pretty quick thing. Turned out rather plain and scetchy.

http://www.valar.ru/gallery/0107/wing.jpg

This is my new WIP. I think it`s going okay. I`ve only spent about 2 hours on it.

That was my recent stuff. I have a finished picture that took me ages-all the detail was maddening. I`m sorry it`s so big...

http://www.valar.ru/imgs/1156684745_next_copy.jpg

I hope you liked at least some of my drawings :)

[holdensc]

Great stuff, guys. This thread seems to be growing great digital painters.

[Rebeccak]

reaveress,

Welcome! :) Some good stuff here. I think that you would benefit from doing some value studies and participating in our many Workshops - especially the Open Figure Drawing Workshops, the most current of which is here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=437456).

Check out the work being posted there! Also I would encourage you to check out the threads linked in this thread:

Personal Sketchbook Primer and Tutorial / Workshop Guide (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=403198)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=403198

Really focus on form - doing master copies can really boost your ability to see the subtle gradations and value changes in a painting.

Looking forward to seeing your participation and improvement! :)

[reaveress]

Thank you so very much Rebaccak, i shall certainly follow your advice and try to participate in the workshop. I looked throuh the last master copy workshop and i must say i is a great idea. I have big trouble with anatomy and colour so i think i`ve come to right place for advice :)

[Rist]

Here is a skull study from one of those reviews. I could go on forever trying to make it as accurate as possible, but I really do want to start some other studies :D

Tell me what ya think!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8343/skull0012dr6.jpg

The ref. Click! (http://www.bio.psu.edu/people/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm)

I changed the ref into grayscale to work from.

I used a custom brush that has no shape dynamics, just Other dynamics.

[NR43]

Flewk great job on that skull study mate! values are a lil on the bright side but that could be my monitor.

reaveress really nice batch! one thing you might concider: think about how an environment would affect a subject within...

great work y'all keep at it!

[Rist]

Flewk great job on that skull study mate! values are a lil on the bright side but that could be my monitor.


Thank you. It is actually darker than the orinigal. This one seems more balanced than the reference, as I thought the reference had to much exposure.

[mannitt]

This is my first post... I have gone through many of these post an almost all of nebezial tutorials (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=199&t=259286) and I've been drawing since I could hold a crayon. (the point) I try and try to draw and paint on computer realisticly, but for some reason it still comes out more cartoony/animeish. I like them, but realistic seems impossible for me. (the drawing)


http://www.geocities.com/sonofhale/CigaretteandKnifeSmall.jpg


This is my most recent drawing and coloring in Photoshop. It is one of my best. Any comments would be kool. Also if you are compelled to see any other drawing I've done. You could to my devaintart (http://mannitt.deviantart.com/) page.

[mannitt]

Oh yeah and one more quick thing I forgot. I have recently (last 5 months) purchased a wacom graphire 4 and since then, coloring on the computer is a ??? of lot better!

[Asatira]

'Kay, first image post. No digital pieces yet, but here goes!

http://org-chaos.net/blog/envylines_small.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Welcome mannitt and Asatira. :)

What I think both of you would benefit from is doing the 2-5-10 or -15 minute exercises posted to the beginning of the thread. As well I think that it is always a good idea to do master copies - there are many master copy resources here on the Anatomy Forum - for example, this thread:

Master Copy Resources (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=354836)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=354836

Not to mention the fact that the 2-5-10 or -15 minute exercises are based on master works. :)

Looking forward to seeing more of your work and your progress here!

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[tizianoadmirer]

Some stuff for tonight
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9094/4handzyx4.jpg

[aggie93]

Today 04:38 PMtizianoadmirer


Great hand studies!

[tizianoadmirer]

Thanks aggie... I've spared you the hundreds of horrible ones....

[NathanMHouse]

How did you paint the hands on the right tizianoadmirer? Excellent studies.

[tizianoadmirer]

The color ones ? I simply smudged out various hues underneath the sketch layer.
I used my own hand as ref.

[Rebeccak]

tiziano,

I can't recall if you've done the Skull Shading exercise or not, but if not, I really recommend it: :)

The links to it are here as you may know:

Personal Sketchbook Primer and Tutorial / Workshop Guide (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=403198)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=403198

I think that trying it might give you more confidence / exercise with shading. All here are welcome and encouraged to try this exercise. :)

Cheers!

[Asatira]

Some timed master gesture sketches from the 2-5-10 min thread.

http://org-chaos.net/blog/master01a.jpghttp://org-chaos.net/blog/master01b.jpg
http://org-chaos.net/blog/master01c.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Asatira,

Nice work with these, it's a great exercise, which I encourage you to do more of with other master works of your choice. Keep going!

[ThePaladin]

This is a rough sketch of mine (tweaked a little with the GIMP), I would love to hear any suggestions/crits :

http://photo.ringo.com/188/188505917O090913045.jpg

[tizianoadmirer]

Some quick bridgeman stuff...
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9471/bmfh1.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8536/bm2kt6.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/1261/bm3bn8.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4011/bm4yi0.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4526/bm5abp7.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7695/bm6as2.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Hi you guys,

I really think anyone with an interest in this thread should look through this Tutorial and try the exercises there:

TUTORIAL/Exercise - Cross Contour Drawing - by Rebeccak - (Nude 3D Model by Mashru) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=4196211#post4196211)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=4196211#post4196211

Cheers!

[NR43]

Asatira

The timed exercises are a very good way to improve your observational skills. I was doing simular exercises at school this week. The critic I got from my teacher was:

"Try to divide your time more equally over all parts of the drawing. This way your drawing will have a more finished look, even if it isn't as finished as you would have liked."

In your last exercise for example you can see that the head, torso and upper arms got the most attention, while the forearm, belly, legs and feet got a lot less love.

Try to think across when drawing fast. when you correct or add something to the upper right, switch to lower left afterwards, then back to somewhere on the right side then back to the left etc. I hope you know what I mean. It's sort of a cris cros game going to different spots in your drawing constantly.

ThePaladin

That's a nice sketch.
Imho the thick outline around the arms don't work though.
The left knee could be lifted a bit higher I think, which would strengthen the feeling of movement. Overal your proportions are pretty convincing.

tizianoadmirer

solid studies! Haven't done any bridgeman yet but I guess the rule of "don't just draw from a drawing book but also read what the artist has to say" counts for every book on learning to draw...

[gnoway]

Sorry I haven't posted in a while. Lifes duties have been keeping me busy. I'm starting to get back to my art studies. I picked up Nicolaides "The Natural Way to Draw" and have started slowing working through it. I don't have anything to show but I had a question. I haven't yet seen anything about preferred pencil grips. Maybe I missed it but I'm not very far into the book. It's something I wonder about now and then but I have never really been told. How should I be holding my pencil? I found this (http://www.chiseledrocks.com/articles/grips/section0.htm) site. Typically I end up back in the "scribe grip". I've been trying the "pen grip" for my studies lately. It feels very unnatural to me though. It says the grip is good for detailing but I don't think I could detail very well with it. Should I just stick with it and hope it gets better or is it just going to hamper my progress?

I'm pretty sure I draw too much with my wrist. Should my focus be to master a grip that will give me better arm control?

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

[ThePaladin]

NR43:
Thanks for the constructive comments! I hope to post more sketches and get more comments.

About the thick outline, I drew it with a ball point pen and had to make many corrections to the proportion, finally having to put an outline around the correct parts because I couldn't erase the incorrect parts. Then I decided to scan it, and erased the unnecessary parts with the GIMP... yeah I know that's the stupidest thing you've ever heard... :D

[dezavu]

hey there... its really nice of u to help other ppl ... i was lookin forward if u could suggest few tips in making a human model using 3ds max...

[mr5te]

This thread is a dream come true for artists lacking confidence such as myself. I hope to get started on some of the assignments mentioned in the first post. For now I'll treat you to an example of my current level of study.
http://hugebeef.com/stephen/sm-images/anatomy01-crouchingboy.jpg
I can't find a picture of the reference the exact position that I worked from. I think I'm aware of all teh mistakes I've made on this piece, it was more intended as an experiment to see if I understood underlying elements yet. The reslut was I just proved to myself that I should keep working at it. Here is a picture of the reference, though as already mentioned the point of view is off a bit.
http://www.wga.hu/art/m/michelan/1sculptu/2/6crouch.jpg

[Rebeccak]

mr5te,

Welcome to CGTalk and to the Anatomy Forum. :) I don't see why you should lack self confidence, as this drawing is lovely. I hope that you will become involved in the community, as there are plenty of people here to push you forward so long as you are willing to be pushed. :)

Here is a thread which I think may help you become acquainted with the workings of the forum:

ANATOMY FORUM GUIDE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=177&t=473867)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=177&t=473867

When you feel ready, I would encourage you to start up a Sketchbook in the Sketchbook (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200) area. It's a great way to get to know fellow members as well as to receive advice and feedback on your work.

Should you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask, and I hope to see more of your work!

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

PS - I read in your post to DoctorBone's thread that you had lost one of your posts. This can sometimes happen due to whatever technical hiccups, as well, the server backs up around midnight and if you try to post then you will likely lose your post. To avoid this frustration (I experienced it a lot when I first joined the site) I more or less copy my post (Ctrl + A, Ctrl + C, done) at least to my computer's clipboard everytime before posting. It's just a 2 second habit I've gotten into and I haven't lost a post (except to my own stupidity) for months. :)

[2dartist]

mr5te - that's a pretty solid attempt, I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. Things are not always going to turn out how you want them too when your starting out.

I attemped this study awhile back, thought I post it up for you to have a gander at.

here's the link to my post - http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3540529&postcount=827

Oh, rebeccak also did a quick paint over also -

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3545571&postcount=839

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Beginners%20Lounge/2dartist_review-01.jpg


rebeccak - just thought I'd pop by say "hello". It's been awhile since I posted on the board but I'm still drawing away. Watercolours are the flavour of the month at the moment but I just cannot figure out how to use them...there officially impossible to use.

[mr5te]

heh coincidence :)
I don't fully agree with that paintover however. It seems that the paintover is from the same point of view as the photograph whilst the sketch was drawn from a slightly different point of view. Don't get me wrong it's a spot on paintover as far the shown reference is concerned but the drawing is more side on (this is visible by the fact that only one leg has been drawn). I'm guessing you used the exact reference pic that I have :) I learned a lot from the image I studied - due to the complexety of the pose - such as how it's quite difficult work knees xD
Thanks for the hearty welcome

p.s. Don't worry about the post loss thing, as soon as it's happened once your technique seems to be the natural way to go. I've experienced the same thing on another forum.

[BBJ-83]

Hi, haven't been painting for a long time. Today I had some time to work on a new painting. It's not finished yet, but I think it's a good start. C&c are welcome.

http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/%7Es0736231/temp/kickbox.jpg

[Cnecktor]

I was just looking through here so much awesome works. This is something I had worked on today. I hope to get better at this as I think I really need it. Well I not much happy with it but I kinda lost intrest in working on it.http://imagehub.geekfury.com/files/15/naked15.jpg

[pandazdesuyo]

This has nothing to do with the human body but it's in the newbie realm ish. So this was the result of the apple shadding tutorial posted on here. I have never used photoshop for coloring before. I've fiddled around with it but I don't really have it down. I also am using Photoshop Elements (yuck) until I can save up enough for CS2. I don't have a working tablet now so this was done with my mouse. Anyway, I'd like some critique and help on good shading techniques with photoshop to make it look a bit smoother and not like a lovely apple shaped rock. And anything else is appreciated. Overall this was a fun thing to do, i enjoyed playing with the values and such. This took about 2 ish hours. Sketched on Painter Essentials (yuck again) and shaded on Photoshop Elements.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i242/jeuxdeau/DigitalApple.jpg

[bsdorra]

Hi,

my first post:) so hello everybody!
I'm pretty new to drawing and painting, both with pencil and paper and digital . A few month ago I started 3d modeling for fun. To improve my organic modeling skills I decided to muck around a bit with anatomie drawing. But by now this hole digital painting thing got me so much that I sold my notebook on ebay and bought me a wacom:)
Apart from this forum I'm currently working my way through the "structure of man" tutorial by Riven Phoenix and I have to say that is fantastic, recommandable for everybody who wants to start with human anatomie drawing, especially for such untalentet noobs like me!:)

ok some pics, first the skull shading exercise
http://home.arcor.de/bsdorra/pd/skull/skull.jpg
I was very suprised and of the result. If didn't paint it, I wouldn't believe that i painted it:D


here my first sketchathon trys 2-5min
http://home.arcor.de/bsdorra/pd/dsketches/kikic.jpg

I didn't find the right way for me to draw these sketches yet. But i'll keep practising. If I find the time to do some more, i'll post more.


cheers

bastian


ps:
This forum is so nice. Thx Rebecca and others for investing the time to help us noobs to improve our drawing skills.

[Rebeccak]

Hey it's great to see this thread still going everyone. :) I apologize for a lack of replies but I hope that you guys keep working on some of the exercises because I can see a tremendous amount of improvement in those that invest in them! :)

bsdorra, welcome! That skull is looking fantastic and I hope that you continue to refine your skills. Definitely subscribe to the Notification (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=199&t=379951) thread and participate in our many Workshops here on the forum. The same invitation is extended to everyone here, so I look forward to seeing everyone's progress!

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[ThePaladin]

I did this as practice when I saw the &quot;Arabian Nights&quot; sketch of the week challenge. Crits please...

http://photo.ringo.com/203/203469141O831448030.jpg

[RailgunLwT]

I've lurked on and off from time to time. Y'see I've owned this tablet for nearly a year now, and photoshop for a good 4 years, however I rarely use both now that I'm like... well best way to describe it is unfocused.

but I got out the mental whip the other day, and I beat myself for being lazy and not doing anything proactive... or productive... or whatever word you want to use there.

I'm not too sure why I do this, hobbiest I'd say but doing it all pro like you see on devart, and youtube videos that I lookup trying to see if theres something that will lead me in the right direction, it all seems great but I don't even know if I'm capable of that >_> - but just like when I started learning web design the only real way to go is beat yourself into practicing redundentaly until you're satisfied. And after buying this expensive plastic board that lets me draw on the computer thinking I'd use it for web design (somehow..? - long story lets not go there) - my ego wont be satisfied till I can do something.

my art background consists of...:
couple years of making web layouts... if that counts?
some already mentioned research
and that about covers it

so heres my early drawings, shaded or unshaded I just kinda do things at random right now, I can barely draw a verticle line (sideways no prob, but verticle for some reason is just weird to wrap your hand around like that...)

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9127/jetlifv5.jpg

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5488/rofllr5.jpg
as you can see I don't draw mouthes. I find them nearly impossible to draw porportionatley , they either come out to small, or too big, or sideways, or somehow humanly deformed, and I find it best to exclude the mouth all together even though that would really inhibit respiration.

btw, some of the work in the newby thread I'd sell my more important body parts to be even half-that good, its crazy work and the feedback from the pros is amazing and insightfull. Sometimes I ask myself why I bought this tablet, but it is quite fun, so I may as well get something outta it.

GG and I'll def keep posting, untill someone slaps my wrist and tells me otherwise, I just sorta draw stuff at random >_> - whatever captures my interest for the day, today it was people and portraits.

another:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3129/22779012dj0.jpg

[mummey]

/me pokes his head in the door, then runs off... ;)

[RailgunLwT]

tried some shading this time, I think its improvement but idk >.>

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2965/87157612kb2.jpg

yes, he lacks a head.

[PicNica]

as you can see I don't draw mouthes. I find them nearly impossible to draw porportionatley , they either come out to small, or too big, or sideways, or somehow humanly deformed, and I find it best to exclude the mouth all together even though that would really inhibit respiration.

btw, some of the work in the newby thread I'd sell my more important body parts to be even half-that good

i know exactly how you feel spiff. same here.
im struggling for over a year now in drawing and painting faces. and still, at my stage i am happy if its looks like a human at all.
i've read the loomis books and watched the first 19 lessons of "drawing the human figure from your mind" on youtube, but i feel it didn't helped that much :( .
i try and try but improvement is seen very rarely.
i gues i just have to go on trying....

http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07173/jetlismall.jpg (http://xs.to)


as u can see i used the same jetli reference. usually i dont use references. thats why normally my work looks even worse i think. well at least it looks like a human and a chinese one too. but if there werent the reference picture 3 posts earlier noone could ever tell that this is jet li.
i always wondered how a caricaturist can deform faces in his drawings and still u see who it is at once. but we beginners try to copy every little detail as good as possible but noone will see who it is.

sorry for whining that much but i had to put my frustration somewhere ^^

[rdsarna]

Hey ppl.....
m new 2 the sketchin business....n i have started off with drawing heads....
here r a few....

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u164/rdsarna/wolverine.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u164/rdsarna/characterhead.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u164/rdsarna/longhead.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u164/rdsarna/face.jpg

[nblarson]

I don't really have any artistic training beyond a few high school painting courses...but I'm starting to get back into art now that I picked up a wacom (they're just too much fun).

Here's something I'm currently working on, I'm about 40 min into it.

http://photos-240.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v71/198/101/40400908/n40400908_30755240_3872.jpg

[Milchschaumschluerfer]

Hi,
i've one little question.
I just ordered the DVDs "structure of man". Now, i've read something about the awesome dvd's of Glenn Vilppu. What do u think, are the recommend for beginners?

And which DVD is the best to start in drawing? At first i will do the exercises in "drawing on the right side of the brain" but what would be the best DVD after the first step?

Thank's! :)

edit: Ok, i think i'm gonna wait 'til i've done the book and the DVDs structure of man. There are a lot of DVDs and everyone costs about 30$. So it's better to look how much i can learn through this things and then i can take the next step with vilppu. .D

[Rebeccak]

Milchschaumschluerfer,

I wish Vilppu didn't break his DVDs up into so many expensive components. ;) However I would still recommend getting at the least his Gesture DVD. I think that should give you a taste of his style, and his stuff is definitely worth checking out. :)

[jowens]

Hey all!

I've been a lurker around these forums for too long :)

I originally got into 3d work because I felt I had no traditional skills, that's something I've been working on. I'm taking my second life drawing class this semester. I feel like I'm learning so much, but at times I don't see any progress and don't really know where I need to focus.

Here are five pieces from my sketchbook.

-Jay

5 min ink study
http://pics.livejournal.com/sethra_bf/pic/000154f5


30 min ink study
http://pics.livejournal.com/sethra_bf/pic/00014h25


I really like to doodle in swirling patterns and lines. This was an attempt at integrating that style with figure drawing.
http://pics.livejournal.com/sethra_bf/pic/00012pag


Hour study of a model. Done with ink, spent a lot of time on the background.
http://pics.livejournal.com/sethra_bf/pic/0001ffzf


Some studies from an anatomy book.
http://pics.livejournal.com/sethra_bf/pic/0001phrq

[Rebeccak]

jowens,

Glad to hear you are taking life drawing! :) I think that you will really enjoy taking a look at these threads:

TUTORIAL - Watts Atelier Figure Tutorial - by Gist (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=199&t=490884)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=199&t=490884

Anatomy Studies and Demos by Gist (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=491255)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=491255

[skullboy]

Thanks for these great links. When I'm feeling brave enough (and my posts have been validated) I'll post some sketches here too.

[Gloryfied000]

hey everybody, i just got my wacom intuos3 tablet! WOOHOO! so i've been playin around with paintin styles. id appreciate it if i could be pointed in the direction of paintig tutorials. anyway here is what ive been workin on.

[jowens]

Rebeccak, Thanks for the links!

I was going to start on the assignments listed at the beginning of this thread, but I was curious about the "give yourself one week" comment. Just wondering what the thinking behind that statement is. Perhaps to work on one assignment per week, repeating it each day?

Nblarson, Wow, that's coming along nicely. Your attention to the light/shadow really helps the piece stand out.

[ismus]

Hello everyone! I'm new to this forum (and digital media). Small introduction: I started attending a small basic art course autumn 2006 (it started with the classic still-life of geometric shapes) and we got to drawing humans sometime in the winter. Before that I used to scribble a few times a month but didn't focus much on what I was doing. The resources in this forum are overwhelming so I decided to just start doing something ;) A 15 min sketch:



http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/128/c/4/n_1_by_frutah.jpg

And 2 examples of 'older' images (I hope they're not offtopic):


http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/098/5/0/halo_by_frutah.jpg
http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs17/i/2007/128/4/0/wipwip_by_frutah.jpg

[warry]

Hello, my work :


http://lg.art.free.fr/2m.jpg
http://lg.art.free.fr/5m.jpg
http://lg.art.free.fr/10m.jpg

All comment are welcome ...

[ctnguyen]

hello everyone,

i'm new and i joined specifically for this thread (i hope you take that as a compliment). i'm guessing i'm the youngest poster on this thread and i'm somewhat embarrassed to be posting my work for help, but i suppose you can't help me if you can't see it, right?

i have three questions that have been bothering me lately:

1) why do i seem to have problems drawing lines exactly the way i want to? unless i 'pet' my lines in, my lines seem to go all over the place.
2) i don't really have a problem copying other people's work. if you give me a picture and ask me to draw it, it's fine, but if you ask me to draw an entire body from just what's in my head it turns into a huge problem.
3) why is it that things that are easy for me to draw on paper are so difficult for me to sketch on my tablet? i can definitely copy someone's work on paper but i can't copy someone's work if you tell me to copy it on my tablet.

as for my work, i don't have a scanner, so i'll just have to post my digital stuff.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/sophistichiq/Untitled-1copy.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/sophistichiq/weddingdress.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/sophistichiq/lipexersizecopy.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/sophistichiq/girl.jpg

i actually TRACED the outlines of the girl's features because i couldn't sketch her shapes properly, and THEN i spent months choosing the best colors i could and trying to blend them seamlessly. then i just got pissed and i haven't touched it since. :-/

thank you in advance for all the advice you can offer!

-christina

[Gloryfied000]

ctnguyen- i dont know exactly what you mean my young artist but im 17 yrs old. Most of my mates have the same problem, they can copy things easy, they just can't take that information later on and use it. I think it may be something to do with relying on the pictures too much, maybe from this point on you dont use references and struggle for a little bit until bits of information imprint in your brain:) Secondly, do you use any structure before you add features? For example, do you sketch out the base of the head, before you add the nose and eyes? If not that may be a big problem. Finally, dont try and consume yourself with a whole body to begin with, start sketching eyes without reference, then eyes, then ears etc.

Hope this has helped you:)

Fantastic artwork by the way

[ctnguyen]

glory, i'm 17 years old too. i don't know about you but it's intimidating to be posting anything when there are professionals who do these things for a living in this forum! anyway, i remember being taught about proportions in elementary school, but i haven't learned much about them since. i do sketch the base of the head when i'm drawing without my tablet (the face is the easiest thing for me to draw, the entire body is a different story). the reason i can't do that on my tablet is because i can't even draw the base - my lines just fly all over the place on my tablet and i get frustrated. if i pet my lines in, though, they're half decent.

i'm guessing there are guides to be found online on proportions for the body, so after i do individual sketching like you suggested, i'd try those. thanks so much!

[NR43]

Hi guys

good to see this thread is still alive. there is actually still some great work being posted here I see :)

ctnguyen, to answer your questions:

1) practice, practice, practice. It takes years of practice on a daily basis to be able to draw every line exactly how and where you want it. And even then you will have to comprimise sometimes.

2) instead of just copying, which is a good exercise to improve your observational skill, you should study what you are drawing. If you are drawing an arm, why does it curve like that at this or that particular area? how does it work, this arm? what muscles are underneath there? how do these muscles relate to eachother? stuff like that? draw draw draw your subjects in all sorts of angles and situations possible. once you know it through and through you will be able to draw it from imagination. Patience and dedication are your best friends ;)

I agree with Gloryfied000 that it's a good idea to stick to one part of the body until you know it well enough. Also, get back to previously studied parts at regular times to keep your knowledge from fading away...

3)It's a matter of getting used to using your pen and tablet. Check this awesome thread by Corvax: Getting comfortable with using a tablet (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3629421&postcount=3)

hope this helps...

[cg219]

I would love to get some comments on these.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/cg219/Portfolio%20Work/CurvyWoman1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/cg219/Portfolio%20Work/ModelWoman1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/cg219/Portfolio%20Work/TalyaSleepingPortrait.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/cg219/Portfolio%20Work/AriellePortrait.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/cg219/Portfolio%20Work/CatandEyes.jpg

[Antsidious]

This is an illustration that I did of my girlfriend (as a birthday gift) when she was about 6. There are still plenty of things that I could have done better but over all, I'm happy with it. I openly welcome any critiques or suggestions that anyone may have. Thanks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/lankiet/Taryn.jpg

[sdyer23]

Hey guys,

Here are today's poses. Each done in 15 minutes. Some thoughts: I think I'm beginning to see where my drawings need work actually. I think, at least, that I tend to draw my torso a bit too long. So it tends to throw off the proportions of the rest of my bodies in general. I dunno, what do you guys think? Again all comments and critiques are welcomed and encouraged! :)

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z144/sdyer23/pose7_13a.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z144/sdyer23/pose7_13b.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z144/sdyer23/pose7_13c.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z144/sdyer23/pose7_13d.jpg

Enjoy!:D

[sdyer23]

cg219,

Overall I think you are off to a solid start on your work. Just a few thoughts though:

In your first shot of the female nude, you should look at the Left breast again. Breasts have a very circular, sometimes oval shape, depending on the bust type of the woman. Also in that shot the legs are a bit short. Think about proportions, The femur is about the same size as the rest of the torso, give or take, and the calf is a little shorter than that.

The second pose is better but I think in both of those shots, you need to tighten up the waist a bit more. Women have wider hips than men and they also have narrower waits lines (think hourglass figure) So in your next drawings, try to look at tightening the waist a bit more. Lastly, the shoulder are much to square. Shoulders in general have a tendency to slope downward slightly rather than square off.

The next picture you have is pretty good all around, something to consider though is in your hands. Most people tend to draw hands like tubes, and bend them as such. In reality, if you look at your hand, you notcie that each finger is made up of three bones, to creat the bend in the fingers. If you think about building hands and fingers in smaller pieces, I think they will improve immensely.

The portrait you've done is really solid. :)

And lastly, your eyes and the cat's face. These are well done as well. You have a good amount of detail, and the perspect on the first of eyes is good as well.

Overall, great work!

[Cnecktor]

I really like the painting of the little girl I think maybe the rock she is sitting on could be a liittle bit darker shading and the background don't really look done but the colors are very nice.

[justinwol]

EDIT: I figured my problem out after a tonne more trial and error.

[rawb]

Hey everyone,

I am new to these forums but have been lurking for a while. This seems to be the perfect thread for me to join up in, as I am horribly new to digital painting. I have some art background, I graduated from art fundamentals, but my color theory and digital painting is very poor and I want nothing more then to get good at that... but I always feel so overwhelmed when I try to come up with something. It's like I have no idea where to begin when it comes to that so I feel a bit discouraged. I am sure some of you out there know how I feel.

So, I am looking to get passed that and improve myself. I am new to this thread but I should be able to start posting drawings when I have some decent ones to scan and figure out how to post them. Any advice is always welcome!

Nice to meet all of you

[GreenDuckie]

Hey Rawb! I'm like you. New to the forums and have a fairly decent art background but lacking in skills with color and digital painting. I'm kind of lost where to start with it, too. :D Hope things work out for the both of us. I'm kind of looking for the absolute beginners guide, or at least hoping for one. hehe. Anyway, good luck to you and to anyone else who is in our boat.

----

Here is a sketch I did late at night. I was listening to Scarborough Fair and then looked it up. The repeating line "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme" were popular ingredients in love potions during the middle ages. This brought up some ideas and I sketched this thing. D: I fail at hands! So try to ignore them. But any comments are helpful. Thanks. Peace everyone.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i242/jeuxdeau/scarb.jpg

Just a rough sketch. I'll probably fix it up and make it not so...sketchy... anyway. That's all. :) Thanks. Nice to meet everyone. Peace. :)

[NR43]

Hello everyone!

It's always good to come and have a look in this thread.

I kindly invite you -if you haven't already- to check out the different threads in the tutorials and workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=199) forum. There is enough there to keep y'all busy for a while :D

Also, if you are really serious about improving and getting good critique, I suggest creating your own sketchbook thread here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)
There are sticky threads to help you on how to do this properly.

Your own sketchbook thread has many advantages, here's a few:

It allows others to give more personal critique more comfortably
It is a great way of keeping yourself motivated
It will increase your interest in what other people do.

[rawb]

Nice to meet you too!

It still intimidates me but a few nights ago I started randomly painting in photoshop a statue of Cloud that I had and although horrendous by people who can paint standards, it wasn't too bad for a first try, at least in my opinion. I have also been reading up on color theory and painting in general. Currently reading the Andrew Loomis Eye of the Painter book, which is great for getting my mind thinking more in terms of painting instead of flat out drawing. I am trying to learn whatever I can about value, tone, color theory and making myself practice at least a little bit every day in photoshop. Hopefully we improve quickly!

Rawb

[GreenDuckie]

NR43: Thanks for those. I'll take a look at the tutorials and workshops. :)

Rawb: Very cool. I picked up some anatomy books with some really good poses that show good value as well as good anatomy. I'm still playing around with photshop and stuff. It really is different from painting with actual paints. Well good luck with your journey. :)

Peace.

[NR43]

rawb

Don't be shy, show us what you are talking about please :D
(If you look at the first images in my own sketchbook thread, you will know there is nothing to be afraid of hehe)

Be sure to browse around the anatomy forum and it's subforums frequently... this is a goldmine of information and really good art!

[rawb]

You're absolutely right. I just have some hesitations in what to show, and I also draw a lot so there's a lot to choose from. I did a few pages of thumbnail for what I hope to make my first real painting. I will definately post some shots from that once I get going on it, for some advice. A question though, where do you guys have your pictures hosted at? Does CG do it, or do you need a place like say, imageshack (which I have no experiance with) to do it?

And thanks for the advice and encouragement so far! I will definately post something soon. I doubt anyone wants to see pages of rough thumbnails, hehe.

[NR43]

Hey rawb, we want to see everything (hungry as we are) :bounce:

About image hosting, there are lots of links to image hosts to be found in this thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=366378)

[rawb]

Awesome! Thank you very much. I shall see if I have anything worth showing after work. I actually plan to develope a thumbnail or two in the next 30 mins, maybe I can scan that in tonight.

[GreenDuckie]

rawb

Don't be shy, show us what you are talking about please :D
(If you look at the first images in my own sketchbook thread, you will know there is nothing to be afraid of hehe)

Be sure to browse around the anatomy forum and it's subforums frequently... this is a goldmine of information and really good art!

I second that. My sketchbook is not the best sketchbook on the site. far from it. But with practice and patience (probably the latter) I'll be able to produce work that is much better than I can now. So don't be scared. :) If I can do it, you can too! :D

[avatar299]

Heeyo. Umm I'm this is a little sketch I made yesterday, and I tried my hand at shading. Not very good, but I would love some constructive criticism.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/avatar299/Picture008.jpg

[NR43]

Hi Obo,

there is an awesome shading tutorial by Rebecca in the tutorials forum.
It's about shading a skull ... Check it out!

[Eraclea]

Spent the summer drawing some master copies after I read a bit in this thread. It's the first time I'm doing anything else than cartoons i think. I love manga, but read here that I should learn anatomy, so I borrowed som books.

This my three master copies. I somewhat drew them all a bit too wide and the Nude from rear got pretty small arms..

A Combat of Nude Men Raphael Sanzio
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/i-cx/Drawings/th_ResizeWizard-3.png (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/i-cx/Drawings/ResizeWizard-3.png)

Nude on Horseback Leonardo da Vinci
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/i-cx/Drawings/th_ResizeWizard-1-1.png (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/i-cx/Drawings/ResizeWizard-1-1.png)

Nude Man from Rear Luca Signorelli
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/i-cx/Drawings/th_ResizeWizard-2.png (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/i-cx/Drawings/ResizeWizard-2.png)

I would love to get som comments and critiques on these. And som hints on what I should focus more on. I'll hopefully be active here now, since I'm going to have art at school. And hopefully I'll get lots of help from others here :D

[LukArh]

Hi. I'm Luka, and this is my first post on CGTALK...i just got my wacom tablet so i'm pretty bad at stuff but anyway I LOVE IT! It's amazing! er...right..here are some of my beginner work all done in photoshop.

so here goes...
First one with my lovely tablet :D
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2729/1stdrawingwithtabletqz9.jpg

a few more
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4421/waitingri5.jpg

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/4488/waitformeve1.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8121/thepianistjz6.jpg

[LukArh]

hi Eraclea I think they're awesome. Keep practicing and you'll soon be one of the masters ;)

take care

p.s.:I'm so sorry for double post....don't know why i did this so...it won't happen again

I don't know if ANYONE is watching beginners at all...but here goes some of my gesture practise. Please say something. Need advices! Thanks

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/230/5/3/Gesture_practice_by_Luka87.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/230/f/e/gesture_practice_2_by_Luka87.jpg
http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/230/f/e/Gesture_practice_3_by_Luka87.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/230/f/7/Gesture_practice_4_by_Luka87.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/230/6/7/Gesture_practice_5_by_Luka87.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/230/7/f/Gesture_practice_6_by_Luka87.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs20/f/2007/230/0/6/Gesture_practice_7_by_Luka87.jpg

[LukArh]

anyone? please:sad:

[EvanWSmith]

Hey all, I think this'll be my first post if I'm not mistaken, just a couple sketches for ya.

First is that pic in the above post of the gymnast statue, 5 min.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/jjmckool/Gymnast.jpg

Second you'll probably know where it's from, old classic sketch, 10 min.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/jjmckool/Sketch.jpg

[Milchschaumschluerfer]

Hey Lukarh,

your gesture pics are pretty cool. How much practice did it take to get this lvl?
I didnt draw for some weeks now and restarted my practice plan a few days ago.
I should do "the structure of man" dvds, but at the moment i just want to draw mangas (to get master it is my primary target). :D

Here my pics:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4804/pic0055cc4.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9237/pic0056hb2.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5424/pic0059rg9.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2198/pic0060lh4.jpg

This are just copies, no drawings from my mind (at the moment i'm not able to draw these things from my mind :( )

btw: The date on my pics is wrong because i didnt set it up it after changing the batteries. :D

[LukArh]

Hey Milchschaumschluerfer

thank you. well to be honest I must say I never really practice that much at all. Ehm...you know here and there sometime. But now that i got my tablet...I'm all into learning and stuff. Infact I'm reading the book "The Key to Capturing Life Through Drawing" right now and I like it. I should start learning anatomy too but don't know where to start:sad: so anyway i don't really know how long did it take.

Now you have some fine pieces yourself. I think copying isn't bad at all as long as you don't put transperent paper over the comic book and copy the drawing lol. I think it can help a lot to gain what you want. And yes from mind...it's hard to draw. Perhaps because of all the things we should know and we don't know them YET. Anyway keep up the good work.

hey EvanWSmith,

well i know where the first one is from lol. I did a sketch of it right above your post lol. Anyway Cool sketches. Keep posting them.

[Rasit]

I have really only worked with Photoshop before, and then only by using filters and premade textures. This was done in Corell Painter X, the light and darker colors where done using a airspray brush and then blended.

Recently I started getting interested in digital art, so I started looking around to if I could figure out how you draw a well proportioned human being. This is my first attempt at a female drawn from the side. I have borrowed a few art books from the local library to get me started.

No pictures were used for this picture. This drawing was meant to be an exercise on shading and the main body proportions, which is why the head, hands, lower part of the legs and muscle details are missing.

There are some parts of it that turned out a bit weird, like the gravity defying breasts and the slight oversized upper buttocks/lower back but I am quite satisfied with it as a whole considering it is the first body I have ever done. :)

The next steps is to make a few sketches with a bit more correct proportions.

The first shape layout.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/Moanderit/Shadedbase.jpg

About 8 different layers of refining later, the final result.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff25/Moanderit/Shadedwoman.jpg

[NR43]

LukArh

Welcome. Great gestures. Watch the size of the head, it seems to turn out a tad too small in most of the gesture sketches. Your linework looks a bit "nervous". Try not to rush (even if you want the gesture down in 30 seconds or 1 min) but draw at a steady pace, you will have a lot more control over your pencil/stylus that way. I highly recommend Glenn Vilppu's gesture dvd. Seeing him drawing gestures was a revelation to me.
My best advise is to draw lots of them, 1000's if you can :)

EvanWSmith
Welcome too :)
You've got a good sense of proportion, seeing that 5min sketch
In the 2nd sketch I kinda lost his right arm... took me a while to notice it's not there.
Try using a wider range of values (even when drawing quickly) to define form.

Milchschaumschluerfer
good work. I'd like to see you pushing yourself out of your comfort zone and leave the manga style for a while... it's where one learns the most.
Check out the 100 heads workshop in the tutorials forum, it's a great place to get inspiration and there is a lot to learn there concerning the human head.

Rasit
I would strongly advise you to get a pencil and some paper and start sketching away :)
It's cheap, practical (you can take it everywhere with you) and it's still the best way to learn drawing techniques imho. Once the techniques are known (or even along the way) one can start experimenting with other media. There is an awesome Torso workshop thread in the tutorials forum. Check it out!

Also, if you haven't already, I recommend starting a sketchbook thread in the sketchbook forum, if you are serious about improving your drawing skills. There are threads available to help you out creating a sb. Check out these forums... there are a zillion interesting things going on here :)

Great work all! (and apologies if I have forgotten anyone)

[NeoFiction]

Any one mind tossing on some guidlines for the structure of my figure? nothing fancy just accurate. Just to show how anatomically correct it could be.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/PChrisPy/hummanjump.jpg

[Nicksta]

Hey Reb
Thank you for your help, I've always been interested in getting a firm grasp of drawing. I had art as a subject at school and I went into design after school. I got a degree in Brand communications and I'm running my own company now. For the last year and abit I've been upskilling myself in programming languages so I can put websites together but I'm really keen to get back into the art side of things since this programming is really killing my creativity hehe. so I recently got a Wacom Intuos 3 9 x 12 inch which is all beautiful and stunning but I'm finding it hard to get to grips with basic drawing and shading. I noticed someone in the dicussion here had a similar background as me. I'm busy following your instructions on shading simple objects and getting the hang of my wacom.

Hopefully I'll have something to upload by tomorrow for further advice :p

Thank you

[Nicksta]

ok well here are some figure drawings I did
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5651/figures01mw6.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5774/figures03sb9.jpg

Crits please :p

[Paperwings]

Ops worng post. Many good drawings here though. :)

[Floriam]

Nice drawings Nicksta, I especially like the bottom row with their shading :) But maybe you should review the proportions between torso and extremities - the arms and legs look a bit thin and the head is sometimes (even if he's just implied) a bit too small in relation to the body ;) But nice starting anyway.. :thumbsup:

Keep drawing! (As I should.. :rolleyes: )

Greetings, Floriam

[Nicksta]

Hi Floriam, I just relooked at them now and I realized that the arms and legs do look abit thin and the heads are definitely a tad too small. When I make acouple more together I'll keep the proportional crits in mind.

Thank you for you crits :)

[NR43]

I once read in a post Dr Mentler had written that a complete dark outline flattens a drawing and destroys the sense of volume that has been created by shading.

I think this shows in your drawings... the ones where the outline is less thick and not completely around the forms (bottom row, left) look much better!

[Nicksta]

Thank you NR43, I can see what you mean! I'll make sure the outlines aren't visible in future :)

I don't want to clutter this thread with all my drawings, is it a good idea to start a sketchbook thread in the sketchbook section?

[NR43]

Actually it's a great way to accentuate some area's... create some contrast and lead the viewers eye to the interesting points... but like all visual tricks they work best when used moderately...

Keep doing these gesture sketches... they are invaluable!

[bluepalm]

Hi all, im new to both art and cgtalk, having started drawing for the first time aruond 4 months ago.
I'm self-taught, so especially when it comes to anatomy, my art basics are extremely poor, and I am hoping through recieving feedback they will improve.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9272/wipls9.jpg

Left: Current status
Right: Quick anatomy sketch

This is a wip i had to stop midway due to having to leave quickly. I've put it up to hopefully see where ive gone wrong (something doesnt look correct in the sketch so far)
also, i struggle to get my drawings to look substantial or 3-dimensional - they always look flat. Is there something perhaps I am doing wrong?

thanks in advance...

[Gloryfied000]

hey everybody, havnt been here in ages. Im getting back in cg arting since highschool exams keep stuffing me up. I think Ive progressed in my latest drawing but still think it needs work, im not interested in the design but the skin colour and volume. Can anyone help me?



http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/Gloryfied_photos/Thing2copy.jpg

This is the guy without the highlight, I reckon he looks better but not light up enough......HELP!

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/Gloryfied_photos/Thingcopy.jpg

[CamaroGirl666]

hello all

first off, thanx alot rebecca for this amazing thread..it really helps to see how others develop their drawing skills..

i'm new to digital painting n would love to learn it. i've been using photoshop for years..but never really tried drawing n painting with it. i got myself a tablet 1 1/2 month ago...n now i'm just tryin to get used to it.

i've noticed the 2/5/15 method has helped alot of ppl...i should try it i guess.

i'll post something when i'm done with it :buttrock:

[Chipmunkey]

Hey, I want to start this up. I'm going to start with the gestures. You got some links to references? :)

I want to learn how to draw pretty well as I'm learning 3d Modeling + Animation. (Plus it's a requirement of Uni)


Thanks,
Ben

[Rebeccak]

Hi folks,

Apologies for not being very active here - I've just become too busy to do much more than browse lately. I still regularly check the forum though, of course. I really recommend posting your own Sketchbook threads to the Sketchbook forum, which is quite active:

Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200

See this thread first:

FAQ: Can I Create My Own Sketchbook or Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=341167)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=341167

Don't be afraid if you are a newbie, that is welcomed here - you just need to work hard, find and use the resources available here on the forum, and create useful feedback for others in order to generate your own. Have fun drawing! :)

Cheers,

-R

[Rebeccak]

Hey, I want to start this up. I'm going to start with the gestures. You got some links to references? :)

I want to learn how to draw pretty well as I'm learning 3d Modeling + Animation. (Plus it's a requirement of Uni)
Ben, a great resource is:

www.characterdesigns.com / photosets

[brainwave]

hi

great thread here (for a newbie like me)

here is my small contribution to the skull gallery

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2868/unbenanntscannen03cb0.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenanntscannen03cb0.jpg)

brainwave

[LukeEmmanuel]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/darklink775/CopyofmichelangelsStudyfortheLibyan.jpg

Tryed to copy MICHELANGELO in painter. I really need some help!

[stanis]

all right, here I go...
this is almost my first digital painting, and I followed at the begenning rebecca's tut, though I did the coulor and texture by my own.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8604/pommecolor2wb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


for your ppainting luke, well the guy is in a strange poition, but the problem is that I don't understand where light comes from...there are too much inciherences.

[stanis]

sorry for double-posting, but being a beginner, I guess this is the place for me to post my creations...

so here's another painting where I try to get how lights works...
I know there's not much to say about it but i'd enjoy some coments ^^

edit : just thought the sky was a bit plain...heres the new version
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7932/lonelyoa0.png (http://imageshack.us)

[ayenlou]

SOooo this thread is pretty cool! So I'm sort of new to this drawing stuff but I'll be doing the first assignment for beginners that Rebecca posted in the first page and post it up tomorrow because as of the moment now I am doing my Signals and Systems homework for school *sigh*

Also hiya to everyone! I'm new here too! Trying to get past the 2 posts thing so I don't have to wait 24 hours to be validated haha. *waves*

ciao!

(Hiya Rebecca! ayenlou --> Andy, your student from IVC) hahaha :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Hey Andy,

You should feel free also to create your own Sketchbook Thread in the Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200) forum.

Feel free to post the exercises from this thread to your own Sketchbook Thread. See this sticky first:

FAQ: Can I Create My Own Sketchbook or Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=341167)

I mainly monitor the Sketchbook Forum now and encourage everyone to create their own thread. :thumbsup:

[stanis]

I really don't have enough creations to create my own thread I think..

anyways heres the begenning of a painting representing "david holding the head of goliath" or something as such :
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3525/daviddebutpw6.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3525/daviddebutpw6.758cbda519.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=525&i=daviddebutpw6.png)

[Antsidious]

Stanis, that looks like a decent start. I look foward to seeing more. This is an illustration that I did of my Grand Mother for my parents as a christmas gift. She passed away a few years ago but this was her favorite picture so I decided to illustrate it. C&C are GREATLY welcomed. Thanks.

Please check out my sketch book thread http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=200&t=598999

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/lankiet/Grandmaw-Taylor_10.jpg