quadro fx and gamers cards

[Fahad]

I would've gotten the 7800 if I were you.

Quadros do not increase render speeds (unless you're using gelato).

The main advantage of a Quadro over a GeForce is a few thing in maya (like the paint effects cursor doesn't leave trails), though a lot of GeForce owners have managed a fix.

the 7800, I believe, would handle much much more polys on screen than the 1400.

the 7800 is the geforce counterpart of the quadro 4400 or 4500 (not sure which).

if you can cancel the order, do so and get the 7800, at least that's what I would do, others may not.

[RagingBull]

Similar dilema as my post below...


Which 7800 tho ?

I was reading a round up of them from Leadtek, they said the normal GT was the best buy.
Well this one specifically, or something similar stats wise would do at a guess...im not 100% sure yet what to do either.

[/url][url="http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=304431"]256MB Leadtek WinFast 7800GT Extreme (http://forums.cgsociety.org/javascript<b></b>://)

[Ravix]

I would've gotten the 7800 if I were you.

Quadros do not increase render speeds (unless you're using gelato).

The main advantage of a Quadro over a GeForce is a few thing in maya (like the paint effects cursor doesn't leave trails), though a lot of GeForce owners have managed a fix.

the 7800, I believe, would handle much much more polys on screen than the 1400.

the 7800 is the geforce counterpart of the quadro 4400 or 4500 (not sure which).

if you can cancel the order, do so and get the 7800, at least that's what I would do, others may not.
hi I apreciate your reply , but could u please give me more feedback of how did u know this ,, u test both??? or just tell me sonehting more to really cancel my quadro ::( well i have till today 6 30 to cancel . :hmm:

[strosek]

Cancel your order...The only difference between the two cards are the drivers. they use the SAME GPU on both cards...ha ha ha you've been had.

[Ravix]

i hope u guys are right im holdin the installation right now till fuurther replys

[enygma]

Cancel your order...The only difference between the two cards are the drivers. they use the SAME GPU on both cards...ha ha ha you've been had.
This may be true, however, the recent QuadroFX 4500/7800 series has shown that NVIDIA has actually caught on to the mod arena. At this time, the 7800 series is unmoddable to its Quadro counterpart. The guy that developed RivaTuner can't seem to find a way around it.

Anyways, while the driver offers a significant difference in OpenGL performance, going with a quadro card will be more expensive. You are generally paying for software certification and additional hardware testing that goes into making sure that the product you purchase performs the best it can for certain applications. Numerous benchmarks do show the Quadro equivalent to the GeForce is definately faster for these certified applications, but the price/performance will always be best on the GeForce line of cards.

Personally, I have a FireGL X1, which I don't use anymore because I upgraded, I have a QuadroFX 3400 and a QuadroFX 4500 on order with my Quad G5. My only regret was using the FireGL primarily in Linux due to crappy driver support. The GeForce definately works great for DCC applications, and if you are penny pushing for performance, then go right ahead an get your 7800 series GPU. You just won't get the support, certified performance and display quality that the Quadro lineup offers.

[Ravix]

i just talk to tech guy on ncix ,, i tell him about that they use the same gpu ,, he told me yes ,, but the increase of speed comes when u get the drivers working , he still warranties 90 to 100 % faster ,, and well this guy is kind of trustable. he saved me already like a 1000 in my system ,, plz i f u know reply asap and ncix have always 7800 in stock what make me wonder why he convicend me.. im in a huge confussion,, as i see it so far they are both cards same as powerful but diferently oriented to work on.?

enygma what do u mean with display quiality ,,is it considerably better than 7800

and this might be a stupid one but i have no idea.
if u have a 4500 rendering the same scene as 7800 , is it better quality rendering ,, or here we are just talkin about speed

[Srek]

i just talk to tech guy on ncix ,, i tell him about that they use the same gpu ,, he told me yes ,, but the increase of speed comes when u get the drivers working , he still warranties 90 to 100 % faster ,, and well this guy is kind of trustable. he saved me already like a 1000 in my system

Does he realy know the applications you are going to use? For which applications is he giving a warranty for 90 - 100% higher speed?
Many CAD applications will run faster with a Quadro then with a GeForce using the same GPU, but needs for Video and 3D animation packages are different. In many aspects they resemble games more then CAD apps. The main drawback of GeForce cards or more specificaly GeForce drivers is that they are optimized (and bugfixed) with high priority on games, sinc ethis is by far the largest market for those cards. With Quadro cards the focus is on CAx applications.

Cheers
Björn

[sambath]

I used a bfg 7800 gtx, but then switched over to quadro 3400, I found when doing 3d that it was a bit more stable. If you go on ebay you can fine the cards heavily discounted and some are in your area too. But I would buy a 7800 gtx over quadro 1400.

[Ravix]

Does he realy know the applications you are going to use? For which applications is he giving a warranty for 90 - 100% higher speed?
Many CAD applications will run faster with a Quadro then with a GeForce using the same GPU, but needs for Video and 3D animation packages are different. In many aspects they resemble games more then CAD apps. The main drawback of GeForce cards or more specificaly GeForce drivers is that they are optimized (and bugfixed) with high priority on games, sinc ethis is by far the largest market for those cards. With Quadro cards the focus is on CAx applications.

Cheers
Björn


he mention 3dstudio max ,, anyways ill ask him right now he just confirmed me that for 3dstudio max but honestly i think he doenst know what he is talking about

[Fahad]

Well, I can't give a single link to an article or a benchmark, and I haven't compared both side by side. All the information I have is from researching online.

which means I could be wrong.

but still, I would get the 7800 (whichever type my budget can handle).

(especially if you like to play games, because whatever price the quadro 1400 is, you can get a highend GF that'll handle games very very well, whilst the 1400 will be just "fine" for games)

cheers.

[enygma]

When I mention display quality issues, there are 2 things that come to mind.

1) what was mentioned earlier about cursor trails using Maya Artizan tools
2) Hardware rendering in Maya can produce very bad results on a GeForce compared to a Quadro

Some people find little issues here and there with GeForce cards that aren't existant on the Quadros.

Bottom line, it is truly up to you. You will pay a price premium for a Quadro. That is a given. To people that simply look at price performance and choose based on that, don't even think about Quadro. Just get yourself a top end GeForce.

EDIT: I do have my own benchmark I had done comparing a GeForce 6800 Ultra to a QuadroFX 3400. It was a SPEC Viewperf benchmark. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the 3400 is based on a lesser chipset than the 6800 Ultra.
http://homepage.mac.com/cheier/.movies/SPEC-Mark.jpg (http://homepage.mac.com/cheier/.movies/SPEC-Mark.jpg)

[Ravix]

I belive i ll do my best for get the 7800 gtx ,, so far the tech guy hasnt confirmed if the shiiping its cancelled ,, and i might have to pay for it, :banghead: damn i maybe able to echange for a higher quadro card what make wonder ?? lol

[imashination]

the guys on the shop conviced me to buy th Quadro fx 1400 vs the 7800 gtx

Oooopps

the tech guy told me that my renders will increase to 90 to 100 percent faster

They lied

and that i can handle more heavier scenes than the 7800 gtx

They lied twice

how sli technology works on the gc?

It doesnt do anything for any of the software you have listed

does the graphic card will give you better render quality or is just speed??

Neither, it doesnt affect speed or quality

[bls]

get ati fire gl v7100 its equal nvidia quadro fx 4400 but its 3 times cheaper

[reForm]

From those benchmarks, in Maya the quadro is indeed 100% faster than the geforce

[lots]

Not in rendering images (not viewport speed)....

In general (aside from maya's hardware renderer) the video card plays no part in the rendering process.

[Ravix]

HI there ..


well i goit my new video card 7800 gtx ,, along with my new workstation.
(listed in th end)

well is been behaving so weird since i bought and install the drivers
so far i manage to have it running in maya , but i had first to
change my screen resolution to 1024 768 ,
rotate the camera and get back to 1280 1024 and my viweports will run now well
no poping and no green and red lines in the viweport in the render ,,

well my doubt is if soemeone have expirience this and how u solve it? to
run properly , i havent install the latest drivers afraid that i will have
to manage anohter trick , anyays my drivers are form the website fo EVGA ,
not the ones on nvidia website though .



athlon x2 dual core 44000
asus a8n sli premium
samasung 930bf

[enygma]

Install the drivers from NVIDIAs site... always install the drivers from their site.

[imashination]

Install the 77.72 nvidia official drivers. The latest 80 series drivers have a monumentally huge bug with openGL which causes a large slowdown and cranks up your cpu usage to full.

[Ckerr812]

Don't listen to the above poster, he seems to believe that because he read few people have problems that it means everyone will have problems. To much generalization:

I just updated 10 workstations with x2 cores to 81.95, no problems at all, and a nice 3 FPS jump :)

[lots]

From my own experience with the 80 series drivers from Nvidia, I have had no odd problems, save for one. OpenGL seems to be a tad unstable at times, causing the system to lock up. My CPU usage has not changed, and i do get a gain in preformance overall. The OpenGL issues tend to appear if I leave a game running in the background for more than a day (I'm lazy and sometimes just minimize games and forget about them :)) I dont know if this is part of testing, but it wasn't an issue before. Aside from that everything works perfectly.

My drivers could probably use a clean install, that would most likely fix the problem.

[Ckerr812]

From my own experience with the 80 series drivers from Nvidia, I have had no odd problems, save for one. OpenGL seems to be a tad unstable at times, causing the system to lock up. My CPU usage has not changed, and i do get a gain in preformance overall. The OpenGL issues tend to appear if I leave a game running in the background for more than a day (I'm lazy and sometimes just minimize games and forget about them :)) I dont know if this is part of testing, but it wasn't an issue before. Aside from that everything works perfectly.

My drivers could probably use a clean install, that would most likely fix the problem.

What game are your running in the background?

There are only a select few games that use Open GL anymore (IE: doom3), the rest use directX, so it probably has nothing to do with open gl.

One thing is, if you play a DirectX game like WOW for a long time 5hours, then open up a OpenGL app, the openGl is slower until you reboot....has something to do witht he drivers/

Same thing if you install SUSE 10 Linux, and then try to install Windows and wonder why your NIC card dosen't work *grin*

Just little bugs, that nobody can explain...

[lots]

True, I wasn't entirely clear. It seems to happen most when I switch from a DX app to an OGL app. For example, running WoW in DX mode for many hours (in the background) then quitting and starting LW. It seems to complain in instances like that... but not often enough for me to narrow down what's wrong :) As I said, it probably has something to do with a not so clean install of the new drivers.

Also nview seems a bit more finicky this time around. Personally I prefer the nview that came with the 60 series detonators...

Who knows, maybe the problems aren't related to the video driver at all ;P

[RPG2006]

Get the same problem with lightwave. and latest drivers 81.95. If I open the perfomance window both threads are full on up to 80% or so. That's rotating a six polygon box in the perspective view by the way.

If you go to the Leadtek site to download drivers for the 7800 gtx 256mb, they still only have version 77.77, which I think is maybe saying something. They have 81.95 for the 512mb version, so it isn't that they are not aware of them.

There certainly have been quite a few complaints about these drivers, for instance grinding Fprime to a halt.

Regards the clean install. Is it just a case of uninstalling them first and installing them again or is there stuff left in the registry?

I think I'll try that, and see if it helps.

RPG

[lots]

There's always driver cleaner, which will get rid of the left overs .. you can find it on guru3d.com

[RPG2006]

Well I hadn't installed any 80 revision drivers on my Win XP64 OS. I saved them for my 32 bit OS. I haven't tried using driver cleaner yet, but all I can say so far is what a load of ....

Uninstalled 77.77. Installed 81.95. Open modeler, with task manager open and even before doing anything both cpus are at 50%. I have used cpuburn on one of my cores in the past, but I won't bother in future, I'll just stick to these drivers. that'll burn them in.

I'm going to try uninstalling again and then using driver cleaner, but I think I'm possibly wasting my time. We'll see. Do you think they want us to buy Quadros instead per chance??

RPG.

[imashination]

Don't listen to the above poster, he seems to believe that because he read few people have problems that it means everyone will have problems. To much generalization:

I just updated 10 workstations with x2 cores to 81.95, no problems at all, and a nice 3 FPS jump :)

AMD X2 + nvidia 80 series drivers + opengl = 100% cpu usage in maya, xsi, max, c4d and lightwave
Ckerr (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=289571&highlight=nvidia+opengl+problem+driver)

Plus that tiny, insignificant problem in that nvidia have confirmed there is a problem with the multi threading abilities when used on multi-core/cpu systems and opengl is running, but Im sure you don't want to let the facts stand in the way of your trolling eh?

But, seeing as you're a highly qualified and greatly respected TD whos too scared to identify himself, Im sure you already checked the task manager when the 3d app is loaded and idleing haven't you? im sure you already know its running your cpus at full whack for no reason, right? Im sure with your vast knowledge that you also are aware this affects both 32 and 64 bit versions of the drivers right?

Now bag my groceries

[imashination]

Well I hadn't installed any 80 revision drivers on my Win XP64 OS. I saved them for my 32 bit OS. I haven't tried using driver cleaner yet, but all I can say so far is what a load of ....

Uninstalled 77.77. Installed 81.95. Open modeler, with task manager open and even before doing anything both cpus are at 50%. I have used cpuburn on one of my cores in the past, but I won't bother in future, I'll just stick to these drivers. that'll burn them in.

Lol, I did warn you ;-) I haven't tested enough to find the exact version where the multi threading problem comes in, but it is around 78.xx Currently im running 77.72 on both 32 and 64 bit systems, but it would be nice to know when the problem started. Nvidia are are aware of the problem and should hopefully get things working again in the not too distant future.

[Ckerr812]

AMD X2 + nvidia 80 series drivers + opengl = 100% cpu usage in maya, xsi, max, c4d and lightwave
Ckerr (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=289571&highlight=nvidia+opengl+problem+driver)

Plus that tiny, insignificant problem in that nvidia have confirmed there is a problem with the multi threading abilities when used on multi-core/cpu systems and opengl is running, but Im sure you don't want to let the facts stand in the way of your trolling eh?

But, seeing as you're a highly qualified and greatly respected TD whos too scared to identify himself, Im sure you already checked the task manager when the 3d app is loaded and idleing haven't you? im sure you already know its running your cpus at full whack for no reason, right? Im sure with your vast knowledge that you also are aware this affects both 32 and 64 bit versions of the drivers right?

Now bag my groceries

lol..all cpu usage is a perfect 0 when maya and shake are open and so are the thousands of others who have upgraded and have no problems with x2's and the new drivers.

If you weren't so naive you would know that there are some problems all the times with every driver update from the very beginning with open GL apps and many cards that many people have to revert back to older drivers and wait for the next release, it happens every release, it's nothing new. The main point is it dosen't happen to everyone! You act as though this is your first time seeing a driver update..lol

Pretty pathetic ... I really feel sorry for you, the way you act. It's pitiful...lol

Especially from someone that has never actually worked in a production pipeline before, and has no idea the difference between 3d packages.

Or maybe it's because your sensitive because you recommend Geforces to everyone, and then they don't work right, it makes you look like a total ass :)

BTW, congrats on exploiting people with Low grade DVD's, and pretending that knowing a software package gets you a "job"....it's scum like you that extort money from people's dreams.

Congrats.

[imashination]

.it's scum like you that extort money from people's dreams.

ROFLMAO :thumbsup:

[Ckerr812]

ROFLMAO :thumbsup:

If anyone has watched your dvd's they would say the same thing.

So try to stop being so petty, and not ruin a thread because you have issues.

[M.E.L.]

Pretty pathetic ... I really feel sorry for you, the way you act. It's pitiful...lol


I dunno how many times I gotta say this, but READ THE TERMS OF SERVICE for the forums. If you can't abide by a few SIMPLE rules of the boards then I suggest you pack your shit and get the **** out.


Especially from someone that has never actually worked in a production pipeline before, and has no idea the difference between 3d packages.


Seeing as you don't seem to list your name or title, let alone the studio you actually work at in Canada as a "Senior Animator/TD" I think it's safe to say that Mash has a hell of a lot more professional credibility and experience than yourself.


Or maybe it's because your sensitive because you recommend Geforces to everyone, and then they don't work right, it makes you look like a total ass :)


Is that your best retort at trying to make someone feel bad? Might wanna take a look at your own post here, it has asshat writen all over it.


BTW, congrats on exploiting people with Low grade DVD's, and pretending that knowing a software package gets you a "job"....it's scum like you that extort money from people's dreams.

Congrats.

Low grade DVD's? Man, you need to get a clue as far as C4D goes before opening your mouth again there buddy. Mash and Janine provide some of the best training tools for the C4D community, which are quite highly regarded.

Educate yourself before hitting 'Submit Reply' again.

-s

[leigh]

Knock it off, guys!

[Ckerr812]

Fair Enough MEL,

Maybe I shouldn't of attacked him, but I was just defending myself, after he attacked me.

So if you want to take his side, that's your choice, but hey I am still going to defend myself, because the fact of the matter is that I am right about the drivers.

Also I am sure working at EA with mega talented Riggers like Paul and such, you have much need for cinema 4d training?

[M.E.L.]

Fair Enough MEL,

Maybe I shouldn't of attacked him, but I was just defending myself, after he attacked me.

So if you want to take his side, that's your choice, but hey I am still going to defend myself, because the fact of the matter is that I am right about the drivers.

Also I am sure working at EA with mega talented Riggers like Paul and such, you have much need for cinema 4d training?

This thread will now go BACK on topic without any further deviations.

-s

[leigh]

Hey hey hey... come on guys, enough of this. Knock it off, all of you.

[dcarmor]

The main advantage of a Quadro over a GeForce is a few thing in maya (like the paint effects cursor doesn't leave trails), though a lot of GeForce owners have managed a fix.

Other threads:
The problem your having is what almost all 9800/9600/9x00 people have with Maya. It works fine on the most part, but then paint effects or some brushes leave a trail on the screen.

The only problem I've had in Maya is with PaintEffects. When you paint in the viewport, sometimes the red brush cursor leaves a little trail; but it's not horrible, and it certainly doesn't make it unusable.

I've seen this a bunch of times. Andyman says it's not horrible. Can someone verify this for the 7800 in general? Is there any one thing that cannot be done, or is extremely frustrating? Or does it run quite reasonably despite having small bugs which can be worked around without much hassle? I can deal with a slightly bumpy/rough road, and especially for 300 dollars. -Dan

[Fahad]

I've seen this a bunch of times. Andyman says it's not horrible. Can someone verify this for the 7800 in general? Is there any one thing that cannot be done, or is extremely frustrating? Or does it run quite reasonably despite having small bugs which can be worked around without much hassle? I can deal with a slightly bumpy/rough road, and especially for 300 dollars. -Dan

Hi dcarmor,

i got your PM,

Personally, if I were to choose again, I would get a Geforce card. The Quadros are nice in that they just work straight off with pro apps, but Geforces need a little tweaking (and the right driver). Keep in mind that my personal experience is rather old. I had a Geforce Ti 4200 128MB, and there was a certain driver that worked rather well with maya (paint brush and all), though I don't remember it's number.

I have a Quadro FX 1300 now, and I'm happy with it. Though, since I like to play games once in a while, I do wish that I had gotten a Geforce 6800 at the time.

You need to do research. That's what I did.


Bottem line, if I personally were purchasing a new card, and since I am a hobbiest, I'd get the GF 7800.

I know this doesn't help a lot. But good luck.

[Phidipo]

Talking about Quadro 1300 (Fahad did).
I´m planning to buy a new card.
The selection will be one of this two:
Quadro 1300 or FireGL 3400.

It will be installed on this also new machine.
Motherboard Socket 775 FSB1066 Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 1,86 Ghz 2 Mb
DDR2 800 Mhz PC-6400
HD SATA2 7200 RPM Western Digital Caviar SE16 250 Gb SATA300 16 Mb

I will appreciate any help or guide
Thanx
(small budget ...sorry)

[gorosh]

Talking about Quadro 1300 (Fahad did).
I´m planning to buy a new card.
The selection will be one of this two:
Quadro 1300 or FireGL 3400.

It will be installed on this also new machine.
Motherboard Socket 775 FSB1066 Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 1,86 Ghz 2 Mb
DDR2 800 Mhz PC-6400
HD SATA2 7200 RPM Western Digital Caviar SE16 250 Gb SATA300 16 Mb

I will appreciate any help or guide
Thanx
(small budget ...sorry)

You really don't need those cards. That money could be spent on some other components in your configuration for better gains. Just take one of the regular GeForce "gaming" cards, 7600GT has best performance / price ratio at the moment. You'll be far better of with E6600 instead 6300 for example (especially since you want P5W DH Deluxe board, for E6300 P5B Deluxe is much better choice), and you could take 2x320GB hard disks - I would definitely recommend 320GB Seagate Barracuda, 16MB cache, SATAII. I'm not sure if you have only 1GB or more ram, but you should definitely take at least 2GB. It doesn't make any sense to buy Quadro or Fire GL since you're on "small budget".

I'm not sure if you already bought that C2D machine, but if you didn't, try somthing like this:

E6600
P5W DH Deluxe
2x1GB DDR2 PC-6400 Kingmax 800MHz
2x320GB Seagate Barracuda, 16MB cache, SATAII, series 7200.10
GeForce 7600GT or 7900GS/GT
Seasonic S12 430W PSU (or Seasonic S12 500W / Silverstone Element ST50EF Plus)

This configuration will be great for many tasks - 3D modeling + animation, video editing, games, Photoshop etc. If you're not planning to overclock, than you actually don't need that expensive motherboard, you could go for some cheaper model, like Gigabyte P965 S3.

Believe me, thee's no sense in Quadro card investment on tighter budget. And even if you had big budget, if you're not working with extremely high polycounts and complex textures, there's no need for Quadro or Fire GL.

[Phidipo]

I'm planning to buy this new one & more powerfull machine (processor I mean...and obviously a little more money)
Core 2 Duo E6600 2,40 Ghz 4 Mb Box
DDR2 800 Mhz PC-6400 2x1 Gb
HD SATA2 de 7200 RPM Western Digital Caviar SE16 320 Gb SATA300 16 Mb (only WD at the store)
Motherboard Socket 775 FSB1066 Asus P5W DH Deluxe PCIe/R.SATA2/1394/2Glan
VideoCard ? still not decided...

gorosh... really thanx...you made me realize of my mistake.
The last pc I was planning to buy had only 1Gb of RAM...now 2Gb)
I changed my mind guided by your opinion and nighttrain (other post).
I'm still open to opinions. I 've considered them more than usefull.
Thanx again.

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