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Elsie
11-22-2005, 04:38 PM
Hi there everyone.

So, here goes nothing! I've not really had the chance to spend too much time on the anatomy subforum, but now hopefully that I've got some free time I will be able to do get some work done :) Just a quickie to begin with - I honestly have no idea how far out my anatomy is, it's only recently I guess I've really been trying to draw art instead of just...draw! Figured anatomy would be a good place to try and start improving my skills.

In the mood for lineart today heh, very rare...so without any further babble:

Original Pic: http://www.domai.com/pics/-samples/eleni-0040.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5810/16lz.jpg

Rebeccak
11-22-2005, 04:41 PM
Welcome aboard, Elsie! :) Can't wait to see more of your work! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
11-22-2005, 04:44 PM
Subscribing. Best way to learn is to step right out. Reminds me I should be doing the same :)

Rebeccak
11-22-2005, 04:45 PM
QS,

Umm hmm! :)

Elsie
11-22-2005, 04:51 PM
Hehe indeed, c'mon Queenie, if I can start one...:arteest:

Thank you Becca, I equally look forward to receiving tips and corrections from everyone ^_^ should be fun!

Rebeccak
11-22-2005, 04:52 PM
Hehe! I concur...I'm glad to see more people gettin' involved! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rk

urgaffel
11-23-2005, 05:55 PM
Looking good there, can't see why people have been telling you to drop lineart... Only thing that bothers me is the crosshatching, other than that good job. Keep at it :D

Elsie
12-07-2005, 03:28 PM
Okaaaay *breathes life into thread* I have never used painter before except to scribble with different brushes and go "Wheee!", so this is something I would just die if I had produced in PS heh, but I really want to get to grips with painter. I guess is just a quick sketch anyway :)

Original ref: http://www.domai.com/pics/big/eleina-3132.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9669/29rl.jpg

I actually did try to use some sort of structured method to get the anatomy as accurate as I could this time, which I never do heh. I drew some geometric shapes and tried to form the body out of that (lines, lines! gah!) - I'll post the progress thingy in a moment.

Elsie
12-07-2005, 03:38 PM
Heres the steps I used with the lines (the lines were in PS)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2549/34jg.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3183/44xx.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4835/56jy.jpg

Rebeccak
12-07-2005, 03:44 PM
Heya Ailsa! :)

Can't look at nude pics atm, but look forward to seeing your work later today! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
12-07-2005, 05:22 PM
Quite beautiful werewolf. Your steps are interesting. I have never tried that digitally, only on paper.

Rebeccak
12-08-2005, 03:40 AM
Ailsa,

Ok, finally got a chance to look at your work! :)

My first recommendation in digital painting of any sort, and here in terms of figurative painting, is to focus on VALUES vs. COLOR.

I don't claim to be the world's best digital painter by any means, but check out:

TUTORIAL - Digital Figurative Painting from OFDW - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436

~where my main point is to place proper emphasis on the importance of building value relationships in your work.

I think you would really enjoy participating in the Open Figure Drawing Workshops:

(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436

~all of which are linked here in post #3.

Check out the work that has been done in these threads, as much of it is highly impressive! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Elsie
12-08-2005, 05:00 PM
First time I've used that kind of method too Queenie :) It felt rather stiff and unnatural to me to break it down into shapes as I tend to usually just paint more intuitively - still, I'm going through all kinds of experiments with my style and shading techniques lately, I think I should start wearing tye-dye and smoking pot, hah. Or get myself a beret at least :p

Thank you for the links Becca :applause:I have never even thought of painting in black and white then colouring it before heh, as a synaesthesic person the first thing that pops into my head are the colours :) this should be interesting. I'm going to have a shot at it now, just hunting for a nice ref... Do my paintings tend to look flat because of the lack of contrast?

I will definitely get my butt into gear and start participating in some of the OFDW's :D I have been meaning to for a while. I also wanted to as you about the CGWorkshops (http://workshops.cgsociety.org/courses/000008/) - are you planning another course like this anytime soon?

Rebeccak
12-08-2005, 05:13 PM
Ailsa,

You're quite welcome for the links, and I think that grayscale is the way to go! :) It think it's the most useful approach for learning how to build form, and I think it will change the way you start to perceive your own artwork as well as the artwork of others.

Look forward to your participation in the OFDWs! A new one, OFDW 009, should start late this Sunday / early Monday. :) Hope to see you there! :thumbsup:

With respect to a new CGWorkshop, I am scheduled to do Drawing On The Past II in early February of 2006. :) Martin (erilaz), Mike (default.rol) and a few others from the original DOTP are *considering* taking DOTP II, as I will be revamping it to contain different content and structure from DOTP I. They both did some amazing work in the Workshop, as you can see from their Anatomy Threads!

Links to everyone's Anatomy Threads can be found here:
(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2817397&postcount=12)http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2817397&postcount=12

Definitely check out the threads of those who participated in the Workshop if you have not already. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
12-11-2005, 07:13 PM
Werewolf all your piccies are red x's :shock:
Why dont you upload them to your gallery on my site, if you are having problems with livejournal.

L.Rawlins
12-12-2005, 07:28 PM
Werewolf all your piccies are red x's :shock:
Why dont you upload them to your gallery on my site, if you are having problems with livejournal.

I was about to bring that up myself. Beyond the links to the original source files I can't see anything that you may have created Elsie.

Not even red 'x's... There's just nothing here. Weirdness. (Try Imageshack (http://www.imageshack.us).)

Oh wait... In IE I get red 'x's, in Firefox and Opera I get nought. :shrug:

Elsie
12-13-2005, 01:11 PM
Thanks for drawing my attention to that guys :)

I'm in class at the moment so I've quickly popped in images onto Imageshack (Comment from Professor "You're going to get us all banned from the network with your nude people surfing!") - Will probably transfer them to my gallery at your site when I get home Queenie :) (one question I meant to ask about that - is there a way to stop the image being resized from there when I link it? All my 15 minutes sketches were resized).

Ack, my brains been somewhere else the past few days (sleeping still not good), I totally forgot the OFDW started...beeeh off I scuttle to draw...must finish the b/w sketch too (which I am finding real difficult!)

Rebeccak
12-13-2005, 01:15 PM
Elsie,

Me likes Photobucket. :D

www.photobucket.com

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
12-13-2005, 01:40 PM
Thanks for drawing my attention to that guys :)

I'm in class at the moment so I've quickly popped in images onto Imageshack (Comment from Professor "You're going to get us all banned from the network with your nude people surfing!") - Will probably transfer them to my gallery at your site when I get home Queenie :) (one question I meant to ask about that - is there a way to stop the image being resized from there when I link it? All my 15 minutes sketches were resized).

Ack, my brains been somewhere else the past few days (sleeping still not good), I totally forgot the OFDW started...beeeh off I scuttle to draw...must finish the b/w sketch too (which I am finding real difficult!)
I promise I'll look into the resizing thingie. Yes I know you promised to join the sketchathon and promised to do the new OFDW 'BROWNIE's HONOR'. Of course I believe you will. Right now finish from class. That is very important!

Elsie
12-13-2005, 01:51 PM
I promise I'll look into the resizing thingie. Yes I know you promised to join the sketchathon and promised to do the new OFDW 'BROWNIE's HONOR'. Of course I believe you will. Right now finish from class. That is very important!

Heeeeyyy, I was one of the first to jump on the crazy sketchathon bandwagon :p I've just been a bad member! And we all know I was a terrible Brownie hahah, sometimes I used to skip it and use my sub money to buy sweets instead. But for what it's worth...the second I get back from class amma gonna get sketching, brownies honour! (I have done a few 15 min sketches but...uh...they turned out like crap heh).

Ego
12-13-2005, 01:57 PM
And we all know I was a terrible Brownie hahah, sometimes I used to skip it and use my sub money to buy sweets instead. .

And biting the brownie master is very very bad. :D

Elsie
12-13-2005, 01:58 PM
And biting the brownie master is very very bad. :D

She tried to frog march me down a racetrack with a sore foot! She's lucky I didn't get physical with the baton!

jmBoekestein
12-27-2005, 11:58 AM
Hey :scream: where's all the kewl nudey pics?!


Watsup with that?

jk...

Keep practicing! Seemed like you were getting back up to speed. :thumbsup: Good luck.

Elsie
01-03-2006, 11:09 AM
Hey :scream: where's all the kewl nudey pics?!


Watsup with that?

jk...

Keep practicing! Seemed like you were getting back up to speed. :thumbsup: Good luck.

:D Aww, thank you sweetie, that was very encouraging. Just for you, I shall paint a nudey pic today :scream: Hope you are okay, haven't had the chance see you on MSN for a while.

Anyhoo everyone, here is a copy of a Vargas piece I did yesterday, also to be found on the WIP thread and CGS pic exchange...I am spoilt for choice with all the threads to post on ^_^:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9178/vargas016xn.jpg

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 11:14 AM
Beautiful stuff, am happy you've posted here as well! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
01-03-2006, 11:47 AM
Absolutely love that copy! :thumbsup:

Elsie
01-19-2006, 04:33 PM
Thank you guys ^^

--------------------------

Some quick(ish) Hogarth copies. Look, I can draw with a *gasp* pencil (kinda)!

http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/6894/hogarthcopy018dd.jpg

http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/3008/hand8iw.jpg

Rebeccak
01-19-2006, 04:57 PM
Ailsa,

Stole a quick look, these look great! Keep up the good work girl! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
01-19-2006, 10:04 PM
Hi ....ELSIE...:)

Really like and enjoy what i'm seeing on you thread... :bounce: ....BEAUTIFUL...:bounce:

Vargas... Hogarth ...GREAT combination...:thumbsup:

Can't wait to see ..MORE...:)

Take Care
Glenn

erilaz
01-19-2006, 10:36 PM
Elsie, you should do some life drawing while you've got that model lying around your house...:D

Great stuff... you're improving bucketloads it seems! What did you do the hogarth hand with? Is it just a toned paper and pastel highlights?

Rebeccak
01-19-2006, 11:53 PM
Elsie, you should do some life drawing while you've got that model lying around your house...:D
Hhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! :scream:

Elsie
01-20-2006, 12:05 AM
Becca: Thank you :) I'm going to try and do some sketches from gray's anatomy tomorrow!

Spirit Dreamer: Many thanks ^^ Vargas and Hogarth are indeed incredible artists and great inspirations to me. Hope to see you here again!

Erilaz: Life drawing...Buahahaha, waaaay ahead of you my tea-drinking buddy ;) I don't know if I'm allowed to post it though, ha! Lovely to hear you think I'm getting better, I'm finally starting to get a bit more confident with my drawing/painting. The hand was graphite and a white pencil on some brown paper.

Ego
01-21-2006, 03:46 AM
Elsie, you should do some life drawing while you've got that model lying around your house...:D

Great stuff... you're improving bucketloads it seems! What did you do the hogarth hand with? Is it just a toned paper and pastel highlights?

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha, goooooooooo Martin.
*agree with him on all points. Careful though, if he sees you approaching with pencil and paper, he might just whip out his.
I mean his pencil and paper.
As I told you on irc, I love those hands. Keep up the good work werewolf :D

makaron
01-21-2006, 09:02 AM
popping by and looking around... :) and say, wheee, wheeep... good work...
wheeep, sqiek and hope to see more of it :applause:

Elsie
01-26-2006, 02:05 PM
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9947/ver085xf.jpg


Just figured I'd add good ol' Bouggie WIP in here too :)

Thank you very much Queenie and Makaron ^^ (Wheep wheep!)

Elsie
02-13-2006, 06:39 AM
Alberto Vargas Master Copy @ 4 ½ Hours:

http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/6417/vargas029jf.jpg

Well, finished this off quickly last night...nothing earth shattering, but for a quick doodle I think (hope) it has a sort of charm to it :). As advised I introduced her boob to gravity, still left them looking like tennis balls though, since well, that's Alberto Vargas :D I actually wish I'd done this one traditionally, I did it entirely on one layer anyway...though I'm not a big fan of tons of layers, full stop hehe.

Rebeccak
02-13-2006, 06:49 AM
Gravitationally~oriented boobs, woohoo! LMGOAO! :scream:

Great job, Elsie! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
02-13-2006, 07:47 AM
Gravitationally~oriented boobs, woohoo! LMGOAO! :scream:


~Rebeccak
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha you slay me Becca!

good job werewolf.

Zephyri
02-23-2006, 10:02 AM
Hi Elsie, come for a peek round. Love some of the copies you've done, especially the Vargas cpy of the blonde in the black dress, that's gorgeous. And your Bougereau copy has really inrpired me to give the next one a good go! Get some more stuff posted missus!

Elsie
02-23-2006, 02:49 PM
Becca: LMGOAO? :scream:? You get more and more cryptic Becca hehe.

Queenie: Thankee ^^!

Sam: Hehe, I've been really bad haven't I, no update for ages...my WIP thread's been active though, trying to restrain myself from posting in triplicate ^^ guess I should get going on some figure studies to go in here! Thanks for dropping in hon.

Elsie
07-25-2006, 07:20 AM
Wow, the last time I updated this was Feeeebruary :scream:!

Well I'm back in this forum *sets up camp*. I've given up on full paintings for the time being, they never turn out how I want - so I'm going back to basics :D. Starting with a scheme that even Rebecca thinks is crazy (ha!) - I'm going to do every OFDW (the figure drawing ones, not the master copies...I've had enough of those :D).

So I've been WIPping away on the first one like a good little mouse, since I am home from work today and yesterday afternoon (am ill and in a quite bit of pain :sad: ).

Starting with a pencil sketch - unusual for me, but having to do so many pencil sketches at work, I have realised what a nifty and organised way it is to start a painting. I haven't drawn a figure in pencil in years :scream: (apart from that quick Hogarth copy on previous page) so be nice, haha.

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/0.jpg

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/1.jpg

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/2.jpg

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/3.jpg

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/4.jpg

Dum di dum...carrying on...

Zapan
07-25-2006, 09:17 AM
Wheeeeeeeeee :bounce: :scream: ....

Great to see you're back Ailsa , with an awesome new painting ! Really impressive to see your work on the skin ...

cheers , dum di dum ... :scream: aha I like that ....

cheers ,

-Steph

Elsie
07-25-2006, 04:05 PM
Wheeee Steph *jumps on Steph* thanks a lot :D

Update...took a break 5 hours ago or something...still haven't got back to it. Damn that Gary Brolsma and his addictiveness!

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/5.jpg

erilaz
07-25-2006, 04:10 PM
Hot DAMN them skin tones are looking mighty fine. You make me cry. Like a wolf.:D

Rebeccak
07-25-2006, 04:58 PM
Ailsa,

It's great to see you back! :) I'm sorry as I'm a bit at loose ends trying to get things done prior to SIGGRAPH ~ so it may take me a bit to relink those missing Photobucket images. :D In the meantime, I hope that taking images directly from Hong's site, www.characterdesigns.com, will be okay in the meantime. :)

Looks like you've got a great start here! Can't wait to see how many of these you are able to work on ~ and drag Peter over! :)

Cheers,

~RK

Elsie
07-26-2006, 05:31 AM
Martin: Haha, you're too cute ^^, thanks!

Becca: No problem at all, it was more notification for you than myself :D. Have a good time at SIGGRAPH...wish Peter and I could be going...and yeah, this weekend I will force him to do one of these ^___^!

Update: Er...got bored of the skin so although much more to do...adding some wings...and I'll do the fabric she's sitting on....and maybe a background...erpmh...damn you Ailsa...

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/6.jpg

Rebeccak
07-26-2006, 05:34 AM
Ailsa,

LOL, thanks. :D Good to see your update! :) One thing I would recommend with this pose is to elongate her extended leg a bit ~ as I recall the perspective in this photo is such that it makes her leg look quite short, and you might want to fudge it a bit even if it's not true to the photo (artistic license, right? ;)) The wings are really quite gorgeous, and I look forward to seeing what you do with this! :)

Hello IRC! :wavey: :D

Cheers,

~Rk

LoTekK
07-26-2006, 05:35 AM
Holy good god! Ridiculously nice work on the skintones. And those wings! :eek:

urgaffel
07-26-2006, 08:35 AM
Yay for my baby :D

Looking forward to more updates on this thing ;)

Elsie
07-27-2006, 12:03 PM
Still off work today, tomorrow too :(. I'm rather ill once again heh, at the moment I get to take 8 yummy pills a day :p!

Becca: Thanks, I elongated the leg a little. I'm rather pleased with the wings too actually, so far - wow, I just said I was pleased with something! - they're the first pair I've ever drawn.

TekkyWekkyWoo: Thank you :D!

Peter: Thanks honey, hopefully I will have it finished in the next few days.

Update: Worked a little on the wings, and started on a mushroom (yay, this is so cliché! hehe). Next I will be putting some squishy, bloody internal organs in her hands :D (haha I'll explain later) and a big turquiose pool and some fireflys and...stuff. Anyway:

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/7.jpg

urgaffel
07-27-2006, 12:26 PM
Looking good there. The longer leg does look better and the wings are coming along really well! Looking forward to the pool and blood and gore and stuff... ^^

Rebeccak
07-27-2006, 05:04 PM
Ailsa,

This is looking great! You know, your and Zephyri's pieces plus Sula Moon's recent recommendation (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3738496&postcount=18) are making me think that we should do a more imaginative take on the OFDWs. If you have any suggestions, please post them here:

Post Your Ideas for Tutorials and Workshops! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341006)

Cheers, :)

~RK

Elsie
07-28-2006, 12:25 PM
Peter: Thank you honey :)

Becca: Great idea, I'll go over to that thread now and post my take on it!

Update: Hehe, I know it's going through a weird phase at the moment - the water is just representational atm, will turn it more blue and refine it later, more mushrooms, poppy pods, gnarled hands reaching out of the water...etc ^^.

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/8.jpg

Rebeccak
07-28-2006, 01:12 PM
Elsie,

Gorgeous! I look forward to seeing your updates when I get back. :)

Cheers,

~RK

SpiritDreamer
07-28-2006, 08:28 PM
Hi...Elsie....:thumbsup:

Just stopped by to tell you that I really like what you are doing with that winged figure.
Was wondering what kind of setting she would be in....nice imagination at play there...:applause:
Can't wait to see the finale outcome...:)
I kind of like the greens....go good with the oranges and copper colors that are in the wings and figure...and mushroom.
You might want to take a look at Benita Winckler // dunkelgold's paintings....might give you some ideas for color....she has a way with greens, golds and coppers...:) ..she is a CG member
TOO HOT HERE TO WRITE MUCH MORE....SO KEEP UP THE ...GREAT WORK...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Elsie
08-01-2006, 12:23 PM
Becca: Thanks, hope you are having a fabulous time :D.

Glenn: Good to hear from you! As for the enviroment she's in, it will be a forest - I've started to find the shapes of the trees in this update to give you an idea. Thanks for the advice about looking at Benita's work - she is indeed a very talented artist and one I have liked and admired for a while.

Update: I haven't really worked on this all weekend or yesterday ^^ kept wanting to add more before I update but now is as good a time as any. Hope to have it finished at the weekend.

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/ofdw01/10.jpg

Zapan
08-02-2006, 09:17 AM
Wheeeeeee !

If somehow it could be possible , I which I could carry some wings like that .... maybe as a flying snail , who knows ?

you keep going wonderfully with this ... can't wait for more !

cheers ,

-Steph

Elsie
08-03-2006, 02:51 PM
Thanks Steph :D . Lol, a flying snail...I have images of you zooming alone with Becca on the ground going "Gooooooo Scar-go!" :p

I finished the image, its in the gallery here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=388985

kary
08-05-2006, 04:28 AM
That turned out beautifully, the wings are unusual and well rendered (and work rather nicely with the title ;)). That is a very challenging pose you took on, congratulations on having it come out so well :)

(edit: this post probably should have been in the other thread, whoops ;)

Cris-Palomino
08-05-2006, 09:06 AM
Elsie,

I remember now....Becks pointed me to your Master Copy which was insanely wonderful. Your thread here is, too.

Great work,
Cris

Rebeccak
08-05-2006, 02:38 PM
Ailsa,

This piece is looking great, especially the figure. I do think right now that there is some attention being directed to less interesting parts of the background, and you might want to reorder your composition in terms of lights and darks to keep the focus on the figure and not have the eye sort of drift haphazardly to the background mushroom. I really recommend looking at reference for the water since you do such an excellent job of interpreting ref ~ right now I know you just have a first pass, and I think a more realistic pass on the water will really bring things together beautifully ~ as well it would be nice to see a bit of life / plant life interspersed in the water so that the figure isn't the only thing that is drawing attention in the composition.

Great work so far! :)

Cheers,

~Rk

Vilhelmina
08-17-2006, 09:30 AM
Hi there, Alisa!

Yay, I found your anatomy thread! (Okay, admittedly it wasn't -that- hard, but in any case...) Really liked what I saw here, especially the insights on how you worked on the 'Gossamer' piece and what your thoughts were. :) I shall be subscribing to this!

~ Vilhelmina

Elsie
08-17-2006, 07:24 PM
Hi guys, wow I've taken forever to reply, sorry ^^, I had to fly off to England at the last minute because I had to see some doctors over here.

Kary: Thank you :) I'm glad you liked the wings. And nah, I don't mind at all which thread it's on ^^.

Cris: Thanks so much for your positive comments, I really appreciate it :D

Becca: Ack, you're right, I know you are ^^! Oz and yourself both gave me some wonderful crits on this piece and I fully intended to go and fix them, but after a week in England...ah I really don't want to look at this one again >_<! So am going to remember everything you guys told me and keep it in mind with my next one heh. Am dying to get painting on something again when I get back tomorrow :)

Vilhelmina: Hey, great to see you over here :D! Thanks very much for your kind words.

Expect stuffage tomorrow people...whee...

Elsie
08-28-2006, 11:47 AM
:: New WIP @17 hours :: Character Portrait ::

http://ailsamacpherson.com/images/22.jpg

Bleh, I don't like the colours, but this is sort of an exercise in drawing a face without photo ref. I did look at myself to begin with to get all the features in the right place (IE. drawing a few lines on the oval head thing) but none of the features are my own, as those who have met me can tell you :p (boohoo!).

I also did use Linda's tutorials for eyes and lips and when I get to texturing the face which at the moment is icky plastic, I will look in the mirror at my skin surface. The only thing I directly referenced though was Peter's ear, since it was refusing to co-operate.

Saved a ton of WIP's so far as I started this with the intention of making a character portrait tutorial, but eh, I don't really think it will be good for that now, I shall post all the WIP's so far in a moment anyway :) .

Working on the stuff in the hair at the moment, so kinda ignore that ^^!

Elsie
08-28-2006, 05:08 PM
A small preview of all the WIP stages I saved O_o, hehe. I flipped it a loooot, but I flipped all these the same way for continuity.

http://ailsamacpherson.com/images/anat.jpg

aggie93
08-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Elsie - that is neat. Thanks for the step-by-step. I need that while I figure out digital painting. It is almost a diferent world.

Rebeccak
08-28-2006, 06:38 PM
Ailsa,

The overall impression I get is a beautiful one so far. :)

Having said that, the areas I would suggest tweaking are the far eye, which seems a bit small, and the mouth, which to me seems small and slightly off center with respect to the nose and eyes. The orchids are wonderfully done so far and I'd love to see you push their realism without going too far.

Despite the modeling I am getting the sense of the overall picture being slightly flat; I think adding more attention and depth to the background could offset the portrait to a much more striking degree.

It's wonderful to see your tutorial in progress, and I very much anticipate your final result. :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

Elsie
08-29-2006, 10:22 AM
Aggie: Hey, good to see you :) glad you enjoyed the WIP stages, I might make it into a tutorial when finished.

Becca: Ah *squeeeeeeze* thank you so much for the wonderful crits :D. I'll take care of the mouth and the eye. As you can see with the last few stages of my wips, I was having the same sort of issues with the background, started searching for a way to use it to make the image pop. I'm not too sure what to add to increase the depth - maybe blurred shadows, or I was thinking of adding some blurred and sharpened butterflies...hmm...

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There are some other things I have done to the image since last night - I worked a little on the orchids, textured the skin and started tweaking the far eye.

Okay, I need opinions - I know this is a little blown out, what I did was duplicate the flattened image twice, grayscale one version then put the colour version on top set to "overlay". I was curious if the OTT contrast adds anything to the image - I noticed quite a few artists seem to use as they get better.

If it does, I will work side by side with this image on my original and bump the contrast up through painting on the original (at least then it'll add something to my learning so I can eventually do it automatically). I won't do it quite this blown out either :).

http://www.ailsamacpherson.com/images/23.jpg

urgaffel
08-29-2006, 10:42 AM
I lurv it ^^

Great job honey! Keep at it :)

SpiritDreamer
08-29-2006, 01:06 PM
H...Ailsa....:applause: :thumbsup:

Coming out BEAUTIFUL...:)
Can only suggest at this point....seems as if you are in between two styles....one is going for realism, while the other is still clinging to line, or should say outline.
You might try losing the outline on the far side of her face...that line, eventhough very beautiful and elegant....tends to creat flatnes of form. You might try softening that edge, by bringing some of the background color into that side of her face...will creat roundness of form,
and also atmosphere....air, and unity with background.
You pulled that effect off nicely in her hair..might try the same thing with the far side of her face....You might also put colored cast shadows from the pearls...think of your light source.
Would for sure keep this version though...has a GREAT BEAUTY ABOUT IT...:bounce: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
08-30-2006, 02:33 PM
Ailsa,

I personally like the previous version much better. I think it's too easy to do these kinds of PS adjustments and you are going great guns with your original. My 2 cents is to stick with that. :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

Elsie
08-31-2006, 12:50 PM
I started trying to add more depth to the background by adding some rough butterflys and smoothing it out a little - I was thinking of adding some blurred shadows to suggest surroundings, but I don't want to go overboad :shrug: hmm...haven't got to the eyes or lip issues Becca mentioned just yet, thats next on my list after a makeup test. And man that butterfly sketch by her chin is yucky, need to work on him a lot more :)!

I'm also playing with the skintones at the moment, they were too yellow so I desaturated them a little in places and started painting blue and purple glazes.

Glenn: Great to see you :D I think you hit the nail on the head with your style comment. I was trying to go for a sort of stylised realism but I think I got caught in limbo instead >_<! Thank you for your lovely crits, I will try to implement them :)

Becca: Yeah, I know what you mean about PS adjustments being too easy - I did edit the old on a little, trying to find a sort of halfway point between the two, though I did it by hand painting, not through photoshop effect. I think that they have a tendency to look very computerised and soulless. Appreciate the opinion as always :)

Update:

http://ailsamacpherson.com/images/24.jpg

Rebeccak
09-01-2006, 03:29 PM
Ailsa,

I still really think you ought to consider doing botanical paintings...still lifes, orchids, beautiful exotic flowers and the like...you would do a brilliant job at it, and there might really be a market for that as I mentioned the other day. :) I'd love to see you jump into a complex botanical painting, on the order of the Dutch / Flemish paintings such as:

http://www.museum.cornell.edu/HFJ/permcoll/euro/img_du/vspae_l.jpg

I think you should just go for it! :)

EDIT: About your portrait, I still like the softness of the previous version, it's a lot less harsh, but that is just my personal opinion. :)

Cheers,

-Rebecca

Gunilla
09-03-2006, 04:57 PM
Great work - I love that strong expression of hers, and the orchids and butterflies looks really good. I'm backing Beccas suggestions on botanical paintings here, you seem to have the right touch for it :)

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