modify order

[KiboOst]

- Meshsmooth
- Skin
- Unwrap
- Edit mesh
- Morpher
- Editable poly

Kib :beer:

[TBKoen]

bottom to top right?!!

but then you'll have the problem that the UVWrap will get a little bit sloppy once you use the meshsmooth over it right?

[KiboOst]

with a classic unwmap modifier yes, if you don't use quadrangles. But no problems with unwrap, just select the right face (the maped one and the outer one) and all is fine.

Kib

[gaggle]

You suggest a unwrapping after morphing? How does that work? I thought that'd make the texture float? Like when placing Skin before Unwrap. What am I missing?

The way I use is:

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Meshsmooth
Skin
Morpher
Unwrap
Editable Poly
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A slight disadvantage I suppose is that this setup means the Skin modifier pretty much has to weight per-vertice (as opposed to by an envelope) in the areas the Morpher underneath affects (usually the head of a character). Otherwise the Morpher can change the topology enough to have parts slip out of the envelopes reach.

..I hope that made sense :)

[KiboOst]

Oh yeah, of course !! Thanks to correct me ,-)

Kib

[Iain McFadzen]

A slight disadvantage I suppose is that this setup means the Skin modifier pretty much has to weight per-vertice (as opposed to by an envelope) in the areas the Morpher underneath affects (usually the head of a character). Otherwise the Morpher can change the topology enough to have parts slip out of the envelopes reach.

This isn't actually true, since Skin weights are calculated from a Reference frame (usually, but not necessarily, frame 0). It doesn't matter what happens below Skin on any other frame, the envelopes will always affect the verts which fell inside their influence according to that reference frame.

[gaggle]

Cool, so that's what the reference frame is about :)
Nice, thanks for the heads up.

[TBKoen]

thx for the replies.

still have a little bit of a problem with the meshsmooth after the Unwrap... but i guess i just have to make a more detailed mesh to begin with :)....

this leads me to another question.
say you want to use a cylindrical map and a planar map in one object... whats the best way to do this?

[gaggle]

Or simpler model..
Meshsmooth shouldn't pinch and change texture-coordinates as long as you keep the mesh clean. Easier said than done of course, but that's the way it is. In my experience a quad-surface will Meshsmooth just dandy without distortions in the mapping.

As for your mapping-question, you could apply a UVW Map modifier, set it to cylindrical, then apply Unwrap UVW, and use its planar-mapping features. Ie in sub-object mode of Unwrap you'd Planar map the faces you want.. Then you stitch the UV maps together in the Unwrap edit window.

Unwrapping is pretty tricky though imo, took me a long while to "get" it. I have a feeling what I've just described here won't neccessairly make much sense if you're just starting out at it.

Best of luck though.

[Iain McFadzen]

Originally posted by TBKoen
thx for the replies.

still have a little bit of a problem with the meshsmooth after the Unwrap... but i guess i just have to make a more detailed mesh to begin with :)....

Unwrap the low poly cage, add a meshsmooth, use Texporter to take your template. You then have a high-res template but only had to unwrap the low poly cage. If Meshsmooth has done anything odd to your material IDs it will show up on the template and you can go back to Unwrap and fix it.

Another way to check how well meshsmooth is treating your IDs is to use Select By ID at SO Poly level in EPoly/Mesh, make sure you have Shade Selected active, then toggle Show End Results on and off and have a look at the borders of the selection.

Originally posted by TBKoen
this leads me to another question.
say you want to use a cylindrical map and a planar map in one object... whats the best way to do this?

Not sure I follow. You can just apply two separate UVW Map modifiers to SO selections below Unwrap, if that's what you meant.

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