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Rebeccak
11-14-2005, 03:20 AM
NOW OPEN!!! OPEN FIGURE DRAWING WORKSHOP 007!!!


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW-007-Announcement.jpg


Welcome to the SEVENTH thread of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop!!!


>>>Click HERE for Hong Ly's Website<<< (http://www.characterdesigns.com/)

>>RULES FOR THE THREADS<<


1. Photographs are the property of Hong Ly and are copyrighted as such.

2. Photographs are NOT to be used for ANY other purpose apart from Figurative Drawing Reference for this thread on CGTalk.

3. The drawings created from the photo reference provided here MUST be TASTEFUL, SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, and for the purpose of serious study of the human figure. Those who post silly, disrespectful, or tasteless work will have their posts deleted immediately and will no longer be allowed to post on this thread. Hong Ly, Rebecca Kimmel, and Roberto Ortiz reserve the right to determine which drawings are considered to be in poor taste and / or disrespectful to the model/s, who have generously agreed to allow their images to be used on the condition that they be used for the tasteful and serious study of Figurative Art only.

4. There is NO TIME LIMIT for posting on this thread.

5. New threads containing new photographs will be posted on a bi-weekly basis, depending on the number of photographs available.

6. There is NO LIMIT to the NUMBER of posts an artist may make. However, we ask that you post only your BEST WORK, even if it is considered unfinished.

7. Artists who post comments and critiques of other artists' work on this thread must be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, and offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Flaming will be NOT be tolerated, and constitutes dismissal from this and other threads.

8. I will be offering the occasional comments / critique ~ however, the main focus of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop threads should be on Group Critique and interaction. :)

9. ANY MEDIUM or STYLE may be used: Traditional or Digital Drawing or Painting, Gestural, Sketch, Finished Render, etc.

10. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

11. Please limit the SIZE of your POSTS to 800 pixels WIDTH x Appropriate pixel LENGTH. No huge posts, please!

12. Have fun, enjoy, and create great art! :)

LINKS to Photographs: WARNING: (Slight) Nudity:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_01.jpg) MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 1 ~ Female, Costumed (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_01.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_02.jpg) MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 2 ~ (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_02.jpg)Female, Costumed (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_02.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 3 ~ Female, Costumed (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_03.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_04.jpg) MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 4 ~ Female, Costumed (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/OFDW_007_04.jpg)


PLEASE NOTE: WIP (Work In Progress) images are an important part of the OFDWs and are encouraged. Please DO post WIP images as you work on your pieces. :)

Also note that all previous OFDWs are listed in Post #3 here:
Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)

Good luck! :)



~Rebeccak and Hong Ly

Corvax
11-14-2005, 03:45 AM
Finally...!!

I've sitting in front of the computer constantly refreshing the forums waiting for the next OFDW... *hehe*:)

I'll get right on it.

thanks a lot to Rebeccak and Hong Ly for organicing this and making the photos available.:thumbsup:

cheers David René.

Rebeccak
11-14-2005, 03:48 AM
David René,

Sorry for that! Heh, I think I accidentally missed a week there ~! So OFDW 006 was extended a week longer than it should have been, but I'll try not miss any more. ;)

Looking forward to seeing your posts! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
11-14-2005, 06:38 AM
I´m gonna get right to it. As soon as all the work piling up at my desk allowes it ... C´ya!

Mu
11-14-2005, 07:46 AM
Hi there,

I am a beginner (actually, I am what we in german call a "bloody beginner"), and as such highly interested in figure drawing. But I wonder:

Are the workshops considered to be taken part in one after another?

That is, should I do the tasks of the previous workshops before I have a go (and after desperate labourious attempts finally fail) at these tasks?

TheDagger
11-14-2005, 09:00 AM
Are the workshops considered to be taken part in one after another?

That is, should I do the tasks of the previous workshops before I have a go (and after desperate labourious attempts finally fail) at these tasks?

You don't have to do any drawing for the previous workshops. You can start right here right now. Of course, if you want, you can do the previous workshops too, as they will remain open, but most of us will concentrate on this new one meaning that most of the activity will be here.

Btw, I'm definetely going to take part in this workshop. I can't resist something that has double-oh seven in it. :D

Metrini
11-14-2005, 09:17 AM
I'll definitely take part in this one also!

Rebeccak
11-14-2005, 10:44 AM
SaraD,

WooHoo! Can't wait to see your work! :thumbsup:

Mr. Mu,

You're free to jump right into this (or the latest one) whenever! :) We'd be glad to have you! :)

TheDagger,

LOL ~ 007 indeed! I should have included a graphic of Bond...James Bond...:D Thanks for the helpful info! :thumbsup:

Metrini,

Alright! Welcome aboard! :)

Cheers guys, :)

~Rebeccak

mybutterflyiris
11-14-2005, 12:38 PM
Woot...this was a good warm up today. Took about an hour edit: oh yeah also I didn't want to detail the face, i like the ambiguety and impersonalness of it without it *end edit
Unfortunately this didn't scan very well!!!...uped contrast in ps so you could see it....but... well if anyone has any suggestions for scanning better please let me know.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/mightyevilbunny/figuredrawing1.jpg

SaraD
11-14-2005, 02:23 PM
Starting out. Going for the same metallic, clean look as I did with the muscular man in challenge 004. I know I said I would see the whole picture, and I almost did... I just "missed" the part of ther body that has clothes on ;)

woodyradica
11-14-2005, 02:41 PM
had a bit of time for lunch so I thought I would have a go at this one.

about an hour spent on this so far.

Mu
11-14-2005, 04:27 PM
Hi everyone,

I actually did not *want* to render the (beautiful) model in such an ugly way. It is due to my lack of skills. Any hints on how to make it better will not be "written into water", as we say...:)

I added the gesture sketch, too, in case there's a mistake I do at an early stage which has to be worked on.

here's mine:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4500/workshop007pic41hi.jpg

gesture sketch:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7489/workshop007pic4gesture9px.jpg

TheDagger
11-14-2005, 06:18 PM
Just sketching and experimenting a little. I think I might try painting the same pic next but with the light source in different position so that I can't rely on the reference picture completely. I'll probably fail miserably but I got to try that tomorrow.

Hmm.. and I really should fix those legs now that I look at them. lol

http://koti.mbnet.fi/dagger/w7p2v1.jpg

Mu
11-14-2005, 06:59 PM
dagger - wow that looks beautiful

Corvax
11-14-2005, 07:27 PM
wow this are really hard, the high contrast between the dark cloth and the pale skin makes it very defficult to pick out values. :banghead:

well here is my first pass, abit rough but it'll have to do for now.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_ofdw007_01_traditiona.jpg


Its drawn on brown super grainy kardus papir whit graphite and hightlighted whit white chalk.
I might have gone abit over board whit the highlights on the forarm and face *hehe*.

--Cheers David René.

Puck
11-15-2005, 01:45 AM
Heya

This took about 2 hours in painter. I'm still trying to learn how to paint with a tablet, especially the workflow and brushes to use.

I've just discovered this OFDW, what a great idea!

Rebeccak
11-15-2005, 01:56 AM
Hey guys,

So much good work so far! :thumbsup: Will definitely be posting comments later...for the time being I'm in "class" hehe...keep up the good work, and will definitely be checkin' back later. :)

Great to see so many people here! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-15-2005, 02:23 PM
Hi
I have decided that I will take a break from my anatomy study to try same of these and here is my first try ... nothing special. I wanted little more loose drawing but when I think about it now its not very loose ... ehmmm never mind may be next time :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/figure_drawing007/OFDW7-small.jpg

- Slux

Vidar3d
11-15-2005, 04:52 PM
Great work guys. Kimasamune great job on the slight foreshortening on the bent left leg. It has been driving me crazy.

Without any further ado, here is my gesture sketch. I'll be adding values and tones tonight when I get home from work.

Sketch done with Wacom in Photoshop CS2
http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/007g.jpg

Mu
11-15-2005, 06:07 PM
edited - forget it...:blush:

Rebeccak
11-16-2005, 04:36 AM
Good to see more work! Sorry, my comments are going to be kind of spare for this Workshop since I am in the last 2 weeks of the CGWorkshop ~ but I'm definitely excited to see everyone's participation! :)

Slux,
Looks like you're working hard as usual. :) Glad to see you here! :thumbsup:

Vidar3d,

Nice start ~ do you plan to shade this piece? :)

Mr. Mu,

Don't back out on us now! :) Everyone here is supportive, believe me. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Mu
11-16-2005, 07:51 AM
Mr. Mu,

Don't back out on us now! :) Everyone here is supportive, believe me. :)



I won't;) ... if your remark is because of my "edited...forget it" - I could not the see the sketch of the previous poster and said so, but for some strange reason when I watched the page shortly after it was there and then I edited out the text.

I have a question, though: it says figure drawing and I wonder wether my painting the whole thing was a bit too much?
I don't have a scanner and use artweaver (http://www.artweaver.de/)the pencils of which I am not too comfortable with, but in case I overdid it I would switch to those tools.

SaraD
11-16-2005, 10:14 AM
And here is my finished piece.

Rebeccak
11-16-2005, 10:44 AM
Mr. Mu,

Gotcha, thanks! :) As to painting, that's totally fine, we've even had one person do a 3D model! :) So no worries, you are free to use whichever medium you choose.

SaraD,

WOW! You are incredibly fast! This is beautiful...very nice work. Are you planning to paint any of the other figures? That would be awesome! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
11-16-2005, 10:56 AM
rebeccak - *wipes forehead* ...ah that's great then...

SaraD - when I opened the pic I could not help sighing "oh, how beautiful"

SaraD
11-16-2005, 12:06 PM
I´ve started one of the others as well, but I have a question - since I only have a restricted amount of bites to upload, is it OK if I start to link to my own webpage instead of uploading the images?

Mu
11-16-2005, 12:29 PM
saraD - why not use imageshack (http://imageshack.us/), e.g., and link to there?

SaraD
11-16-2005, 12:54 PM
I´ll do like this :) Here´s the next painting. Keeping it the same style.

http://sara.mallverkstan.net/CGtalk007.htm

Rebeccak
11-17-2005, 01:05 AM
SaraD,

Nice! This piece almost looks 3D. :)

Great stuff so far...very impressive! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
11-17-2005, 01:55 PM
Just a quick update as to my progress. Trying to incorporate some of the elements from the various shading tutorials Rebeccak has posted. More to come.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/007b.jpg

Rebeccak
11-18-2005, 01:50 AM
Vidar3d,

Nice progress here! :) Nice basic blocking in with your values, and I think the hard work of fine tuning / refining those value relationships and the drawing itself is next on the agenda. It's great that you've kept the rendering for the entire body at the same level. It's a good idea to bring everything up at once / work the painting as a whole. I think the thing you should look out for is making the legs too big (thick) for the body / head. Additionally, I would recommend sketching in the arm that you can't see ~ just guess at it's shape. This will help with the placement of the hand eventually. :)

Great stuff! Look forward to seeing your next update. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Dark3D
11-18-2005, 02:51 AM
Well here is my try, worked on it for about 5 hours, which is pretty long for me. I am bad keeping focused that long. Keep jumping on the video games too much!

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_RedRaven.jpg

Rebeccak
11-18-2005, 03:00 AM
Dark3D,

Wow, I think this is one of the nicest pieces of yours I've seen so far! Really beautiful work, I wish that you would do more extended pieces like this! :) You've really nailed the expression in the face...the legs are a bit more sketchy, and a bit short / thin ~ but the upper half of the torso is killer. :thumbsup: Nice work on the fan, as well...not diggin' the tree as much, but overall this is a really great piece! Hope to see more of your work along this line! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SaraD
11-18-2005, 11:35 AM
The finished piece is now on display :)

http://sara.mallverkstan.net/CGtalk007.htm

C&C as much as you can!

drawMonger
11-18-2005, 03:47 PM
Hi All, loved the pose for this one...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-6.jpg
Great work all (as always)
Dark3D :thumbsup:

drawMonger
11-18-2005, 04:21 PM
here's some WIP images
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-wip.jpg

Rebeccak
11-19-2005, 01:17 PM
SaraD,

Nice! :) I think the legs look just a bit short / small for the upper body. Watch also the axis of the head in relationship to the axis of the body ~ it looks perhaps a bit off / tilted to the left side of the picture plane. It may look different when hair is added, but probably best to adjust before adding hair. As usual, your rendering is beautiful! Any chance you will be working any more on this? :)

drawMonger,

Nice! You've really captured the face and the overall pose quite well. I think it just remains to refine the body, making sure not to make the legs too small. Overall, really cool so far, and thanks for including the progress sequence! That is always cool to see. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
11-20-2005, 02:07 PM
Thanks Rebecca, here is the next version...fixed the legs and refined the body and hair.
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-8.jpg
SaraD...i love what you've done! it looks like a 3D rendering!! :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
11-20-2005, 02:35 PM
drawMonger,

Wow, this is really coming along great! :wavey: The improved legs make this look sooo much better! Nice work!! I would say the next step is to really get the colors to sing together ~ right now, she really looks a bit pasty ~ and her skin is in reality super light ~ so the trick will be to give her skin a luminescence without making her look like a ghost. Ever seen the paintings of Malcom "Skip" Liepke? I'm not suggesting you imitate his style, but take a look at his color combinations ~ he's great at combining muted reds and greens.

Great stuff so far! :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
11-20-2005, 02:43 PM
Started working in the 007 series. This is a wip of the face.
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/007wip.jpg

Rebeccak
11-20-2005, 02:48 PM
Nice job with the body so far, Queenie! The problem with the face is in the alignment of the eyes. On a separate layer above your existing layers, draw parallel lines representing the axes of the eyes, base of the nose, lips, chin, and the top of the forehead as well. All of thes lines should be parallel. The midline of the face should be perpendicular to these lines.

Nice thing about PS ~ you can copy + merge and paste. ;)

Great to see you back in the OFDWs! :wavey:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
11-20-2005, 02:50 PM
Thanks Rebecca! I really value your feedback.

I love Liepke's work...i agree his colour combinations are sublime :drool:

Teaking the colour of this one will be a real challenge...but i'm up for it ;)

Ego
11-20-2005, 03:05 PM
Nice job with the body so far, Queenie! The problem with the face is in the alignment of the eyes. On a separate layer above your existing layers, draw parallel lines representing the axes of the eyes, base of the nose, lips, chin, and the top of the forehead as well. All of thes lines should be parallel. The midline of the face should be perpendicular to these lines.

Nice thing about PS ~ you can copy + merge and paste. ;)

Great to see you back in the OFDWs! :wavey:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak
Good eye, my lady. Glad you found out before I went too far. Will take a look at it again.
Thanks a bunch :)

Rebeccak
11-20-2005, 03:19 PM
drawMonger,

No problem, thanks! Try using color layers with Blending Modes...that should do the trick, so long as your work is subtle. ;)

Queenie,

No prob! Anytime. :)

Cheers,

~Rk

Corvax
11-20-2005, 04:24 PM
~drawMonger: I had the exact same issue a while ago, my highlights looked milky and desaturated, what really pushed me over the edge was when I picked up a book on color theory.

here's what I learned:

Take a look ad the image below its a chart of hue (horizontal) and value (vertical), what I want to look ad is how those two color variables combined effect the 3rd - saturation, notice that some hues look more saturated at different values -- yellows and turquoises look more saturated at light values and that blues and reds look more saturated at dark values.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/valueandhuechart.jpg

You can incorporate this into your painting by (VERY lightly) toning your highlights towards yellow or turquoise (turquoise tends to work best, it makes the skin look warmer) --funny thing is when you look ad human skin it has that bit of blueish highlight.
Also try adding a bit of green to your darkest shadows -- that's gonna giver you a nice set of complementary colors.

its not the end all be all of working out your issue but this little peace of information did get me a long way.

hope it helped.

--cheers David René.

drawMonger
11-20-2005, 09:57 PM
Thanks for the tip Corvax. I'll definately give it a try :)

SpiritDreamer
11-20-2005, 10:28 PM
Hi Rebecca...

Hope your class was a great success!

We also have been on a sort of "break".
A week and a half ago our computer crashed -
(I guess all Glenn's typing burned up the hard drive.) :wip:

So I put in a new one, and we're back! :cool:

Anyway...We're back and got the pictures for this 007 Tutorial.

Glenn fell in love with the red head so he might be inspired to produce a nice painting.

Mrs Spirit Dreamer

Rebeccak
11-21-2005, 01:05 AM
SpiritDreamers,

Was beginning to worry about you guys! :arteest: Glad to see you back! :) Sorry for the HD failure, but glad things are back in order. Looking forward to your posts! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
11-22-2005, 12:29 AM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Finally able to paint again.
After two weeks of trying to figure out what broke the computer.
Fan and Hard Drive...What a pain!
Anyway.
Everyone's stuff is looking good and getting better.
Amazing to see the progress of everyone over such a short time.
Great!

Anyway here's my attempt.
Trying for a painterly look rather than photographic.
One fat oil brush in Painter 8 so far...round.
Trying to see how much detail can be created with it.
Kind of the way Rembrandt used single brush strokes to create objects.
I hope.
Will try for more detail now.
Just started this today.

Opinions and help always welcome and appreciated.

Nice to be back. Feels good!

Take care
Glenn




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_pepper_1.jpg




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_pepper_2.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_pepper_4.jpg

SpiritDreamer
11-22-2005, 10:37 AM
DrawMonger
Nice job, really like the face, hope mine comes out that good.
Her hair could use some more work though, it's one of her prettiest
features. Really study the colors in it, there is probably six or seven
colors there, these are what make it shine and glow,and give it beauty,
and deapth. the same principle applies to her skin. Like Rebecca says, take it
a step further,it's the best way to learn, and improve. Done't be afraid to
experiment, just save your versions as you go along. That way you can't lose.
Really look forward to seeing your progress, on this one.
Take Care
Glenn

drawMonger
11-22-2005, 11:59 AM
Hi Glenn, thanks for the feedback...i appreciate all the help and advice i'm getting with this one and looking forward to posting an update soon.

I really like the free approach you've taken to get to your current version, to me it gives your piece a sense of spontaneity. :thumbsup:

drawMonger
11-22-2005, 12:57 PM
Here's the new version with colour adjustments only...will do another round of refinement on hair and lower legs etc. To make the changes I...

1. flattened images and duplicated the background layer at 10% (all work is on the new layer).

2. created a mask of the bare skin areas and adjusted the highlights on the green channel via curves to add some green/yellow into the mix.

3. via adjustments satuated the whole area a little more and also tweaked levels.

4. added a solid color adjustment layer to the skin selection (orange) to help the skin fit in a little more with the hair colour (about 10%)

5. flattened image

6. i noticed Liepke uses bright pink in his skin tones so painted some of the skin values brght pink in color blend mode.

phew!

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-10.jpg

drawMonger
11-22-2005, 01:07 PM
here is the earlier version with the current...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-wip2.jpg

Corvax
11-22-2005, 01:43 PM
~drawMonger:

Your doing good, the hands especially are really well done. but your values are still too bright -- skin is a lot darken then one would think.
take a look ad this little curve adjustment I made on you image see how much more vibrant you cant get if you darken your midtones a bit.



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/adjustment.jpg

Mu
11-22-2005, 07:20 PM
Hi everyone,

let me say that I like all of the pics so far and try to take them as well as the feedback and comments as a quality guide line (esp. drawMonger's).

I am going for the second photo in my second round and find it much more challenging (or maybe I put more efforts in it, I don't know)...so I am going to throw in a progress snapshot, hoping for useful directions, or, to cut a long sentence short:
any feedback/hints/terrified yells are appreciated!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8500/workshop007pic2progress14dk.jpg

Rebeccak
11-22-2005, 11:27 PM
SpiritDreamers,

Great to have you back! SD1 ~ watch the proportions of the head ~ looking a bit small at this point. I know you'll correct it as you go along. ;)

drawMonger,

Nice update! :) I think that you're definitely going in the right direction with this. Having said that, I really like David's (Corvax's) comments re: adjusting the curves of the image. I think these are great comments! I would like to add to this discussion by noting the color temperature of sections of the models body ~ note how warm/orange/pink her shoulder area seems with respect to the cool/bluish green tones of her legs. Her face is cooler than her shoulders, with a bit of bluishness, but not nearly as cold as her legs are. If you look at your current image, all of the areas of the body have about the same color temperature. Try tweaking these areas (perhaps using blending modes only, at first) to vary the color temperature of various sections of the body. :)

David,

Thanks for all of your great comments! I think this is really useful!! :thumbsup:

Mr. Mu,

Great to see your work here! What I always recommend, particularly those who are new to digital painting, is to do studies in grayscale.

Check out:

TUTORIAL - Digital Figurative Painting from OFDW - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)

and

Stahlberg's Painting Tutorial (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html)

which both go into painting in Black and White FIRST before adding color information through the use of layers set with Blending Modes.

I always recommend filling the bkgrd with a neutral tone ~ not leaving it white, as values are all RELATIVE, and against a white bkgrd, your values of the figure will be thrown off.

Hope this helps, and look forward to seeing your update! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
11-23-2005, 04:23 AM
Drawmonger and SaraD, truly amazing stuff. Really inspiring. It makes me feel like a kid with crayons and construction paper :)

Here is my humble b/w submission. I slimmed the legs as was suggested and tried making the values more accurate in terms of their relations to one another. Once I got into shading, several errors in the intial gesture have begun to really stand out to me. So frustrating! But I think my shading skills are improving as I continue to get accustomed to my Wacom and the various brush settings in PS.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/007f.jpg

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 05:18 AM
Vidar3d,

Some tremendous progress here, it's very impressive! :) The main area I would suggest you work on to improve is the face ~ the body is nicely naturalistic, and the face has a bit of a wooden look to it ~ Try softening some of the features a bit ~ it's a tough thing to do, but really try to suggest that the features of the face ~ eyes, nose, lips ~ are not just sitting on top of the surface of the face, but are an integral part of it.

The upper part of the body is modeled beautifully ~ I would suggest softening the modeling / shading of the legs a bit to match the upper torso. Then I would work to get the foot to feel as though it were hitting flat against the floor.

Beautiful progress, and hope to see more! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
11-23-2005, 07:50 AM
Hi RebeccaK,

this is funny, because I was browsing Stahlbergs tutorial/progress yesterday and actually had started with grayscale - but my software does not (yet) have a color mode in the layer's options:cry:

But as you suggested, I will redo the drawing in grayscale - the colors were driving me mad anyway, like you mentioned: the difference in warmth between face/torso/legs.

*sharpens his tablet pen*
*realizes it's broken now*
*sighs*

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 01:12 PM
Mr. Mu,

LOL ~ re: pen! :D No worries about the color thang, personally, I think it's a good idea to spend a lot of time practicing in b/w only first. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
11-23-2005, 01:32 PM
Thanks Corvax!!! you have convinced me that there is still room to move with the values in the skin.

And thanks also Rebecca for the tips on the colour temps...i bow to your powers of observation...or rather...

super powers
http://www.originalicons.com/images/icons/Cartoons/Superman/1098500171_929996955.gif


Great work Vidar3d! and i'm looking forward to your updates Mr Mu!

Cheers!

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 01:52 PM
super powers
http://www.originalicons.com/images...1_929996955.gif
LMAO! :scream: Thanks. :)

Cheers,

~Rk

Mu
11-23-2005, 09:49 PM
HI everyone,

this greyscale thing is really helpful! I am starting to see differences in values I did not realize before. Thanks for hitting my brakes, rebecca!

I did not have these problems in my first pic in this workshop (fourth photograph), and now I think that's because I did not pay attention to some important things.
I had to think of something I keep telling people when I teach guitar lessons. When they complain that things are getting hard all of a sudden I tell them it's a good sign, because you are progressing to the next level and are no longer content with what you did before.

Now, ehem, that's what I feel like at the moment.

i'm looking forward to your updates Mr Mu!
thanks! It's good to know there's people who know what they are doing waiting for one's take on tasks...:thumbsup:

So, this is really heavy wip, haven't got round to get into details... just too excited about finally seeing values!

*I can see! I can see*
*congregation kneels down*
*a shaft of light hits his head*

erm:wip:
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/8484/workshop007pic2progress29md.jpg

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 10:36 PM
Wow, Mr. Mu! Nice progress! :thumbsup:

Hey, the purpose of this thread / forum is WIP, so WIP away! :thumbsup: So glad you're focusing on grayscale...it's just the best way to learn digital, in my opinion ~ actually, the same applies to traditional. Can't tell you how many grayscale oil painting studies I've done ~ I sometimes prefer it to color! :)

Alrighty, then, looking forward to update: part trois. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
11-23-2005, 10:58 PM
Hi Rebecca
Worked on head today. Made bigger. Increased the angle, leaning back a little.
Started to put in facial planes. Got a book from Library on "creating a likeness".
Says you are supposed to start from the eybrows and bridge of nose.
Then eye sockets and work your way outward.
Thought I would give it a try and see if it works.
Different approach from the way I have been doing it.
Still using one big oil brush - Painter 8.
Roughing in.
Applying one brush stroke on top of another. No blending tool used. Just color.
Keeping brush the same size throughout so far.
Alot of color variations on this model.
Quite a challenge.
Didn't get a chance to tell Corvex or Dave about Burne Hogarth. Hope he looks into it.
Can only improve his draftsmenship, I think.
Take care and have a nice Holiday
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_petite-7.jpg




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_petite_Close_-7.JPG

Rebeccak
11-24-2005, 02:44 AM
Beautiful start, SD! :) Like your approach a lot. Definitely hope that you and Mrs. SD will have an excellent Thanksgiving. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
11-24-2005, 08:48 PM
Hi there,

is there actually some kind of deadline (end of attention-paying) to this workshop?


putting in some detail, still avoiding hair, fan and most of the legs. Will leave that for the next round. In the meantime, I am trying to figure out why it is I can't establish a real likeness in the face. I guess it's because the angle of the head is actually pointing more towards the viewer in the reference, but I am not sure. Any hints anyone?
je vous show le progresse part trois:
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/2815/workshop007pic2progress35nl.jpg

Rebeccak
11-25-2005, 07:02 AM
Mr. Mu,

You're making an incredible amount of progress! The OFDWs each run 2 weeks, which means that I should be posting a new one Monday, 11/28. However, all OFDWs remain open on a continuous basis ~ feel free to post for as long as you like ~ there have been several folks who have posted work to previous OFDWs long after new ones have been posted. Most people move on to the most current OFDW, though I will always look at work posted to any of the threads.

Keep up the good work! Your values are looking great! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
11-25-2005, 04:37 PM
Hello everyone
I have been noticing everyone including myself has benn having a problem getting an exact likeness of the model's face. Some are very similar but not exact. Exactness is essential when doing portraiture. Can't be faked. Especially if you are trying to sell the portrait to the person who owns the face!
Found this method maybe it will help, don't know. This is the first time I've tried it myself.
Take Care
Glenn


From: Getting a Likeness by Frank Slater

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Page_one_Drawing_Book.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Page_two_Drawing_Book.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Face_Drawing.jpg

drawMonger
11-26-2005, 03:37 AM
Hi All, here's my next update (perhaps the last one, LOL!)

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-11.jpg

I could have pushed the midtones, but thought the orginal image is a little dark so tried for a trade-off between too dark and washed out. Did some work on the hair and adjusted the temperature of the various skin tones (probably not enough).

Spirit Dreamer, thanks for posting the pages from that book... I must see if i can get a copy. I realise that the likeness in my image does not match the model and could do more to bring it closer. however, i think i'll dip into the pool of artistic license and keep her as she is now ;)

It would be interesting to do a portrait exercise in one of these workshops...I might focus on the face for the next one (depending on what the poses are like).

thanks everyone for all the help!

SpiritDreamer
11-26-2005, 05:36 AM
DrawMonger
like I said before, I hope the face on mine comes out as good as yours has.
Posted those pages, because they helped me,and thought they might be of some help
to anyone who was trying to get an exact likeness.
I think your painting came out great, in fact, I think everyones came out, or is comeing out great,but there is always room for improvement,in everyones work, includeing mine.
Take Care
Glenn

drawMonger
11-26-2005, 12:15 PM
Thanks Glenn, I think the face of your image is comming along nicely. The attention to values of light and shade have given it a good form and shape. I find subtle blending between the values helps a lot.

Rebeccak
11-26-2005, 02:11 PM
drawMonger,

You've done a really incredible job here, and I think that the adjustments you have made have helped a lot! :) The one thing that just doesn't jive with me yet is the bkgrd blue color ~ perhaps it is too distracting because of it's textures, which is drawing too much of my attention? I also think it would help if it weren't so uniform / flat in terms of value ~ I think it's flattening out the picture quite a lot, which is a shame since you've put so much effort into beautifully creating the foreground form.

Let me know your thoughts on this ~ perhaps toning down the bkgrd both in terms of hue / value and texture could help this already nice piece a lot. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
11-26-2005, 03:13 PM
Rebecca, funny you should mention the background...i'm not happy with it either and should have given it more thought from the start...but as an experiment i tried to give the piece a bordello feel...didn't really work, but i'll post it anyway :)
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-15.jpg

Rebeccak
11-26-2005, 03:20 PM
drawMonger,

Hmm, interesting, but it totally flattens out the figure...I think if perhaps you did more painterly stripes, muted / grayed, and fading off without the photo pattern at the top, I would like this a lot more...take a look at the simple bkgrds in some of Liepke's pieces, in which the bkgrds just set up the figures basically:

http://www.usartists.org/art/liepke.jpg
http://www.usartists.org/art/liepke.jpg

http://www.herndonfineart.com/images/Liepke/liepke_helping_with_the_dress.jpg
http://www.herndonfineart.com/images/Liepke/liepke_helping_with_the_dress.jpg

http://www.hansongallerycarmel.com/malcolm_t_liepke/alone_together/index_html/fullsize_jpg
http://www.hansongallerycarmel.com/malcolm_t_liepke/alone_together/index_html/fullsize_jpg

That last piece looks to be inspired a lot by Toulouse~Lautrec:

http://www1.fccj.org/cgroves/2236docs/test4/toulouse-lautrec-at%20the%20moulin%20rouge.jpghttp://www1.fccj.org/cgroves/2236docs/test4/toulouse-lautrec-at%20the%20moulin%20rouge.jpg

Definitely try to give this piece more atmosphere through the play / relationship of color between the foreground figure and the bkgrd.

Pink and green, baby, pink and green! :thumbsup:

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
11-26-2005, 03:30 PM
WOW, Great pics thanks...backgrounds are really hard for me...it seems that i'm getting better at painting a figure or a landscape (in oil at least) but put the two together and...frzzzzt (that's a fart sound by the way).

Liepke's work is inspiring though!

I do agree that the background i put in doesn't fit. 'interesting' is a good word - you are so polite ;)

Will have a go tomorrow finishing the pic.

Many thanks!!

Rebeccak
11-26-2005, 03:43 PM
Hey, no prob! :) I think the thing digital artists forget the most is to look at traditional work. :) It's the basis! :thumbsup: I find myself looking at more digital work these days, and it's so refreshing to look at traditional work to find out the answers to the questions we all have about our own drawings and paintings.

The thing to note about the current bkgrd is less the pattern than the value ~ notice how in your previous piece, the hue may have been wrong, but the value really right ~ it sets off the foreground figure perfectly, whereas the lighter / striped / busy bkgrd makes the figure practically disappear. So, it's less a matter of wallpaper picking than just finding the right tone to offset whatever object / figure you have in the foreground.

Luckily, with digital, you can experiment 'til the cows come home! :thumbsup: Keep up the great work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
11-27-2005, 09:14 PM
hi (*takes a deep breath for a long post*),

I had hoped this workshop could help me improve my skills - instead this workshop is changing me...

- was on a friend's birthday on friday, all of us being 30+. At 1.00 am, we had been eating pizza, smoking (not me), drinking (me), boozing (not me), and playing music for some hours and were actually sitting quite comfortably on the warm couch, gazing dreamily over bottles and crisps into the distance, when someone cried out: "Look at the snow!"

Now, where I live snow is always a rare sight - just more so at this time of the year. But what happened that night was the biggest snowfall on that day of the year in that area for more than hundred years. We ran outside, had snowball fights, built some giant snowmen (more than six feet high - we had to lift these snowballs with three of us). Everything was freshly covered in snow.

And whenever there was a pause in the common merriment I stood gazing at the snowcovered trees murmuring to myself: "It's not only white - there's the core shadow and beneath theres the bough and it's got some green it and..."

Some two hours later, when we got home, I had to have a black tea and while water was cooking I was looking for a cup and said (omg, I really said it loud - i am so glad there was noone nearby...) "hm no blue cup...I need warm colors for this", picking up a nice red-green one *mind the simultaneous contrast*:surprised

- last night I had a nice candlelight dinner with the beloved mother of my daughter and in a particular romantic moment I could not help but notice the delicate value change on the left side of her nose. When I became aware of that thought I could have made use of some heavy drink to compensate for my shock.:blush:


So...to cut a long sentence short: I am in the workshop when I am not at home. Thanks to this the last boundary between cgtalk and what I had left of real life going on is fallen to the ground.
I hope you're happy now rebecca
*shakes fist*:scream:

here's what I call finished for now. Thank you spiritdreamer for hints on establishing likeness, but I will see to it for the next OFDW.
Known issues: face likeness, fan, and hair of course.

All the time I was listening to J.S. Bach drinking in perfection with my ears so that the choir seemed not to sing "Jesuuu meiiiiiiine Freuiiiiiiide" anymore, but "the faaaaaace ooo do the faaaace" and I was llike "naaa":scream: ....next time:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5598/workshop007pic2finis6iq.jpg

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 09:21 PM
hi (*takes a deep breath for a long post*),

I had hoped this workshop could help me improve my skills - instead this workshop is changing me...

- was on a friend's birthday on friday, all of us being 30+. At 1.00 am, we had been eating pizza, smoking (not me), drinking (me), boozing (not me), and playing music for some hours and were actually sitting quite comfortably on the warm couch, gazing dreamily over bottles and crisps into the distance, when someone cried out: "Look at the snow!"

Now, where I live snow is always a rare sight - just more so at this time of the year. But what happened that night was the biggest snowfall on that day of the year in that area for more than hundred years. We ran outside, had snowball fights, built some giant snowmen (more than six feet high - we had to lift these snowballs with three of us). Everything was freshly covered in snow.

And whenever there was a pause in the common merriment I stood gazing at the snowcovered trees murmuring to myself: "It's not only white - there's the core shadow and beneath theres the bough and it's got some green it and..."

Some two hours later, when we got home, I had to have a black tea and while water was cooking I was looking for a cup and said (omg, I really said it loud - i am so glad there was noone nearby...) "hm no blue cup...I need warm colors for this", picking up a nice red-green one *mind the simultaneous contrast*

- last night I had a nice candlelight dinner with the beloved mother of my daughter and in a particular romantic moment I could not help but notice the delicate value change on the left side of her nose. When I became aware of that thought I could have made use of some heavy drink to compensate for my shock.:blush:


So...to cut a long sentence short: I am in the workshop when I am not at home. Thanks to this the last boundary between cgtalk and what I had left of real life going on is fallen to the ground.
I hope you're happy now rebecca
*shakes fist*:scream:

here's what I call finished for now. Thank you spiritdreamer for hints on establishing likeness, but I will see to it for the next OFDW.
Known issues: face likeness, fan, and hair of course.

All the time I was listening to J.S. Bach drinking in perfection with my ears so that the choir seemed not to sing "Jesuuu meiiiiiiine Freuiiiiiiide" anymore, but "the faaaaaace ooo do the faaaace" and I was llike "naaa":scream: ....next time:
Mr. Mu, you are seriously HILARIOUS!!! :scream: It's lucky I wasn't drinking a soda when I read this, because I would have snarfed it for sure!! :scream:

Thanks for this great story and feedback ~ I am so gratified to know that my diabolical plan of taking over the Universe *One Open Figure Drawing Workshop At A Time* as a big banner over my doorway reads in Helvetica Bold font :scream: is working perfectly ~ Muahahahahaha!!! Or, as I should say, Mr. Mu~ahahahahaha! :scream:

This piece has come just so far since when you started it, and I truly hope *connives* that you will be a part of the next OFDW, which should be launched in the wee hours of the morn, either tonight *hopefully* or tomorrow. :)

EDIT: *Snarf* I just went to set my timer for my 11 minute pasta and automatically set the timer to 15 minutes. Perhaps I should see someone about this? :D
Cheers, :beer:

~Rebeccak

Mu
11-27-2005, 09:43 PM
Mr. Mu, you are seriously HILARIOUS!!! :scream: It's lucky I wasn't drinking a soda when I read this, because I would have snarfed it for sure!! :scream:


always my pleasure to make you snarf (what a word, did not find it in the dictionary, but it says it all by itself), because this forum is such a joy to me, so you're welcome: snarf away *prepares joke, passes drink*


Muahahahahaha!!! Or, as I should say, Mr. Mu~ahahahahaha! :scream:

Oh.My.God.
you are so like a good friend of mine who is fond of doing a certain type of jokes which is in english called low pun, I guess. He can't avoid a single one of them! It is only when I cringe in pain before him that he finally stops by saying (in english - he studied english):"Ok no more puns or I shall be pun-ished...":scream:



This piece has come just so far since when you started it, and I truly hope *connives* that you will be a part of the next OFDW, which should be launched in the wee hours of the morn, either tonight *hopefully* or tomorrow. :)
Cheers, :beer:


thanks, and I surely will. This is so much fun and it helps so much. I am planning to do an anatomy thread, starting with hand studies (I always avoid hands. Because I do it a lot, I can tell instantly when someone is choosing poses because the hands are hidden, lol, this has to stop!). I already collected material and resources for this. But I think I will give the beginner's lounge a try also, and, erm, the sketchathon and there's the dsg, of course, and urgh *just starved in front of the monitor*

One question though: In the opposing curves thread you suggest overdoing the lines to establish beautiful forms and masses - but in these OFDW we are supposed to stick to the reference as possible? Or not?

til soon

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Mr. Mu,

I am seriously sitting here snarfing away! :scream: *Tries to control snarfing* *fails* :scream:

I get my 'low~pun' humor from my dad ~ let's put it this way, there weren't any girls born into the family for generations, and they had to import me from Korea! :scream:

thanks, and I surely will. This is so much fun and it helps so much. I am planning to do a anatomy thread, starting with hand studies (I always avoid hands. Because I do it a lot, I can tell instantly when someone is chosing poses because the hands are hidden, lol, this has to stop!). Already collected material and resources for this. But I think I will give the beginner's lounge a try also, and erm the sketchathon and there's the dsg, of course, and urgh *just starved in front of the monitor*
ROFLMAO!!! :scream: My evil plan is weerrrrrrrrrrrrrrking!!! *thrums fingers* *snickers* I can't wait!! :thumbsup:

One question though: In the opposing curves thread you suggest overdoing the lines to establish beautiful forms and masses - but in these OFDW we are supposed to stick to the reference as possible? Or not?
You are free to do as you please in the OFDW, Mr. Mu. :) It's funny, it's become more of an OFPW (Open Figure Painting Workshop) where the 15 Min. Sketchathon is more @ drawing ~ which I think is cool! :thumbsup: Bear in mind, you are more than welcome to do more than one piece off of the images posted here ~ say, for instance, you wanted to do a 15 min. drawing, then a more extended painting ~ it's totally up to you. :) In fact, for the next OFDW, I'm going to coordinate the 15 MS with the OFDW so that if folks want to do fast sketches first then extend their pieces in the OFDW, they may do so. I'm crazy like that. :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
11-27-2005, 09:52 PM
EDIT: *Snarf* I just went to set my timer for my 11 minute pasta and automatically set the timer to 15 minutes. Perhaps I should see someone about this? :D

lol, yea we all need professional help - isn't it ironic that we came here to find it... for a completely different issue?:scream:

pushav
11-27-2005, 10:29 PM
It has been a while since I have been here in a lifedrawing thread.
Spiritdreamer wanted me to post again so here goes....

Done in photoshop7 with wacom graphire2
I opened up the reference next to the painting in photoshop to get some sort of likeness going.
Here is my w.i.p. so far I am not done with it yet....
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/mixtapered1.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/mixtapered2.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/mixtapered3.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/mixtapered4.jpg

So how's my driving?

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 10:36 PM
pushav,

I'd say very good! :) The red, green, and cream colors are really doing it for me ~ nice work so far! Actually, I think this is just about the best work of yours I've seen to date ~ keep it up!

If you start to go too light in the face, you might try adding a layer filled with a darker color at a low opacity in PS ~ something like a dark bluish color, set on a blending mode like color or hue. Then start sampling and painting again. Always try to bring your values up from a midtone ~ right now, I think you've run out of value range on the face. I would try giving it more definition by adding back in a midtone range, then lightening and darkening from there.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

pushav
11-27-2005, 10:54 PM
It started off being crap. I just keep on adding "a little" then the "little bit" kept on adding up into a decent image. I was shocked that it turned out like this so far. It is hard to belive that I used the default round brush with meduim opacity.

As for running out of value I felt that her legs where lacking a bit of pushed darker cream color.
It is hard to see the billions of colors on her face due to the size of the document so I will define it a bit more.

SpiritDreamer
11-28-2005, 12:14 AM
Way to go Pushav...Looking Good:bounce:
I've been useing a round oil brush#30 set real wide or big size wize,found in the tinting
brushes painter 8, seemes to blend the colors nicely, just like when your painting in oils
with a real brush on canvas. You might want to try it out, if you have it in your painter
program.
Great to see you back...Looks like your really starting to get the hang of this painting
method, Great job so far, you might want to set the resolution high for the face,make
it big on the screen,and really capture the facial planes. Look at the previous page,
I put a method for getting a likeness there, might be of some help to you, it's the
method I am useing on my models face for this one. Seemes to be working so far.
Check it out, it's on the same page as that lesson on getting a likeness, I think.
Anyway, keep up the great work. My finger is getting tired, too much typing today LOL!:eek:
Talk to you later
Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak
11-28-2005, 12:20 AM
Hehe, BTW, SD, thanks for the post on getting a proper likeness ~ that was great, thanks! I think I'll start to set up the next OFDW now, before the server backs up. o_O

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
11-28-2005, 01:44 AM
Open Figure Drawing Workshop 008 with Hong Ly and Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297467) is now open and ready for business!!

Remember that all OFDWs remain open on a continuous basis, so you may continue to post on any OFDW. But most folks move on to the most recent OFDW.

See everyone there! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
11-28-2005, 03:00 AM
Hi Rebecca
Hope your not mad at me, just speaking my feelings in public again. Don't want to see you,
or your excellent teaching methods get spread too thin, makes it weaker, instead of stronger.
Just my opinion though, something to think about anyway, as this great creation of yours
expands. United we stand strong,Devided we stand weak, kind of thought.
REALLY LIKE your idea of combining QUEENSOULS site and this one,should work great.
Hey....and it will be a real plesure to see you get more of a chance to draw and paint the
way you like to,when you want to. Looks like the rust peeled right off on those last few
drawings you did on QueenSouls site...GREAT ENERGY in those drawings,and STYLE.
I'm just trying to help as much as I am able to, and learning as much as I can, but if
I cross any line of yours, be sure to just tell me to shut up and get to work...LOL!;)
Take Care and Thank You for all the help you've given me Rebecca...
Glenn

Rebeccak
11-28-2005, 03:23 AM
Glenn,

No worries! :) Hehe, it would be hard for me to be mad at you, considering all the wonderful work you've done and are doing on the Anatomy Forum in general, and the OFDWs in particular. I'm not mad at all, I was just trying to keep the peace. ;) Tempers flare easily on forums, and it's not easy to keep everyone happy sometimes. :)

The thing to understand is that the Anatomy Forum is meant to be as unexclusive as possible. Thus, while I may be in agreement with you with respect to sustained study being important, I also really do believe that short / gestural drawings can often be even more important, particularly to beginning artists. And in truth, I think these kinds of exercises are important for all artists to practice. I recall that when I was in school, pros in the field would often come back to sit in on classes to do quick sketches ~ particularly for people in the animation field, this is really important ~ to capture a sense of movement quickly.

The Anatomy Forum will naturally grow and change, and while the OFDWs are an important part of the forum, they were never meant to be the only part. I am thrilled to see new threads like the 15 MS flourish, as I think it brings fresh talent to the forum and promotes the great interaction which you are seeing there.

At any rate, don't worry about me being 'mad' at you, because I definitely am not! :) You add an incredible amount to the Anatomy Forum, and it wouldn't be the same without your contribution. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
11-28-2005, 04:23 PM
I added the finishing touches to the painting. It took me about 1 hour more.

Here is a screenshot of me painting it
Click here for the screenshot. (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/mixtaperedproof.jpg)

Here is the animated step by step........
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/mixtaperedsteps.gif

The final image......
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/mixtapered6.jpg

Do you guys like it?

SpiritDreamer
11-29-2005, 12:27 AM
Hi Rebecca
Finally got a chance to get back to this model.
Mrs Spirit Dreamers been working on my web site.
Made a whole new front page and second page.
Take a peak if you get a chance.
A lot of stuff I did in this forum on those two pages.
Up front and center where they belong.
Anyway worked on this face today using that
"How to Get a Likeness" method.
Seems to work.
Get it down pat with more practice, I think.
Going to do #8 models on Queensoul's site tomorrow.
Get them in my memory, then come back and work some more on this one.
Might be a good system for me I think.
Good idea combining the two sites.
Should work out nice for me.
Also Ballistic publishing wrote me an e-mail last night,
said my Master/Servant entry made the next to final selection list
for their new Painter book. Yea!
Had to tell somebody, so wish me luck.
And when you get a free moment (lol) let me know what you
think about this face.
Still a lot of work left on it.
Just taking my time and trying to get it right.
Take care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_petite.face17.jpg

Rebeccak
11-29-2005, 12:31 AM
@pushav,

Nice! And nice to see your progress piece, though I still feel your gynormous signature detracts from all of your pieces. Beautiful work on the model so far! I really think that you are progressing! :thumbsup:

@SpiritDreamer,

WOW, Congratulations on being a finalist! I am really thrilled for you, you certainly work hard enough, and you absolutely deserve it! :bounce: Let us know what happens ~ I think it's great! :thumbsup:

Took a fast look at your site, and will look at it more closely later on. Very nice stuff, you have really done a commendable amount of work here! Keep up the great work, you really keep the OFDWs humming! :wip:

Best of luck with the Painter Competition! Even if you don't get it this year, imagine how good you'll be in one year! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
11-29-2005, 12:32 AM
Pushav

I like this one of yours! - :applause: I like the way the hair came out alot.
You should try doing a large portrait of this model's face using that
Get a Likeness Method I posted.
Works good I just tried it out on my painting,
Take care
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
11-29-2005, 12:34 AM
Thanks Rebecca! :)

Rebeccak
11-29-2005, 12:35 AM
No problem! Well~deserved! :applause:

pushav
11-29-2005, 02:54 AM
Why are we clapping all clapping :applause: Lol.
Seriously thanks for the comments

Spiritdreamer-Yeah I should have I did not expect it to turn out this good. I was painting at 75 dpi lol. I wanted to add more detail to the face but the low resolution prevented me from doing it.

Rebecca-Lol people always tell me that lol. I want pepople to know who did the painting.
Soo I will be a household name like a sony playstation lol. Rofl!

SaraD
11-29-2005, 07:05 AM
Congrats SD!!!
Since we´re sharing our "happy moments" both of my contributions to this thread (the ones in B&W) came to the final round as well for the Painterbook :) Aren´t´we a talented bunch of people ;) Not hard with such brilliant photos to work from :)

:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
11-29-2005, 07:08 AM
SaraD,

Alright!!! Congratulations! :arteest:That's great news ~ you and SpiritDreamer will have to share a congratulatory *hug* :scream: ~ which you both well deserve!

Cheers to the both of you, :wip: :wip:

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
11-29-2005, 10:27 AM
One more update from me before i jump to 008...adjusted the background. Thinking that the dark blue is the way to go because as a cool colour it should (in theory) promote the warmer colours of the foreground and also thinking of complementary colours. Hope it works.

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-1-16.jpg

Great work Pushav and Spirit Dreamer! Congrats also SD and SaraD for your entries...I hope you both make the books! :applause:

Pushav I agree with Rebecca that you should tone down the sig.

SD, I think the likeness is spot on. A couple of minor things you might look at...I do think that the eyes are slightly misaligned (where they meet the nose), as is the tip of the nose and the center of the lips. What do you think?

SpiritDreamer
11-29-2005, 10:47 AM
Hi
SaraD
Really great to hear that your on that list too. I think the figures you did here are great.
I was going to tell you that a couple of days ago, but got sidetracked somehow.
I did manage to look at your site though, nice style you have going there, like the way
you put the progressions on there,also like your portraits a lot GREAT STUFF....:thumbsup:
Anyway, just wanted to tell you Congratulations.... Would be great if somebody from
this workshop got there work in the painter book...Would encourage everyone invlvoled
I think, and give them hope. Anyway wishing you the best of luck, and keep up the great
work, it gets me inspired.
Take Care
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
11-29-2005, 11:52 AM
Hi
DrawMonger
You may be right about my painting, now that i'm looking at it with fresh eyes,I can see
those mistakes clearly. Thanks for pointing them out to me, four eyes are better than two
any day. :)
About your painting...The trick to getting the desired ONENESS in a painting, is to have
one color that unifyies, and can be found throughout the entire painting...THE UNIFYING COLOR... It united all of the elements in your painting, keeps your painting from haveing
that cutout and pasted on look, which is the problem your haveing on this one I think.
Take a color, or colors that are in your figure,and put it, or them, in your background color,
think that will do the trick, Hope this helpes you some,also thanks for helping me on mine. :wavey:
Take Care
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
11-29-2005, 12:37 PM
Hi
Pushav
Hey ! it''s never too late to up the ressolution on your painting, and go into the face with
more detail, in that painterly style your developeing of course. I always start out in low
resolution, then increase it as i go alonge. Put a buitiful face on that model, she and
your painting deserve it. LOL !... FINISH IT... as Rebecca would say... :buttrock:
Take Care and talk to you later
Glenn

drawMonger
11-29-2005, 12:59 PM
Hey SD, I think you are right. The big lesson i have learned from this one is to treat the foreground and background as a single image right from the start. So will put more thought into a unified image from now on.

I think the best way for me to go for this one is to just remove any background noise altogether.

Cheers!

Rebeccak
11-29-2005, 01:04 PM
drawMonger,

Saw your post briefly this morning, and it looks fantastic! Will post some comments later, but just wanted to tell you I think you've done a brilliant job so far! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
11-29-2005, 01:12 PM
Hey Rebecca! Thanks for the encouraging words :bounce:

Rebeccak
11-29-2005, 01:14 PM
No prob! Thanks for the awesome work!! :)

Cheers,

~Rk

pushav
11-30-2005, 03:23 PM
Nice work spitidreamer and drawmonger.
and congrats to you guys who made it in the book.:thumbsup:

SaraD
11-30-2005, 08:21 PM
SpiritDreamer -
Thank you so much for your kind words:) As soon as I read that your went to the final as well, I hurried to your website for a look at my competitor ;) I just love your work. The way you play with colors are absolutely beautiful! I fell deeply in love with one of your paintings - do you sell them? To me?
I haven´t heard anything more from Ballistic, maybe thats a sign I didn´t make to the final printing, but I am so honored to be part of such a incredible bunch of artist just to make it to the final round so I am happy anyway:)
I´m keeping all my fingers crossed for you! I can always tell that "come on - this is what I was up against! ;)

Vidar3d
12-01-2005, 01:30 AM
Holy Crap! 008 is up already? Well here is an update! I darkened all the shadow areas and gave the face some extra attention to try and smooth out the features and tried to improve the shading on the legs.

Good work everyone.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/007-30.jpg

SpiritDreamer
12-01-2005, 10:41 PM
Hi Rebecca
Still working on this one. Taking my time.
Want to see how far I can take it.
Loving the straight painting approach you have been pushing me to use. :)
No special effects on this one. lol
Still haven't started #8 yet.
Really liked that one pose that you did the work-up for. A classic.
Will get to it soon...as soon as I get over my addiction to this one.
(beautiful model)
When you get a chance let me know what you think.
PS. Any advice from anybody is greatly appreciated as always and goes without saying.
Take care
Glenn

Special to SaraD:
Just curious, which picture did you fall in love with on my site?
In answer to your question, yes I do sell my paintings.
(information on my web site)
I have them printed using Giclee on Canvas method. They come out looking just like oil paintings. You can't tell the difference. Our printer does a "gallery wrap" method,ready to hang, so framing is optional.

Thank you very much for the compliments on my work.
I think it's really neat we are both in the running for the book.
Just getting to the final judging is amazing to me.
Gook luck!
Your entries are great!! :bounce:
Glenn





(http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_petite_face_17.JPG)http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_petite_face_17.JPG



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_petite_face_28.JPG


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_petite_28.JPG

Mu
12-01-2005, 10:58 PM
spiritDreamer - man, that facial expression goes far beyond the reference. You established a likeness, but it seems as if you added feelings/an inner life to the character that weren't visible for me in the reference. I think that's amazing.

SpiritDreamer
12-02-2005, 02:19 AM
Hi...MR MU
WOW !
Thank You ;)
I think it is impossible not to project feeling, when working from a model that
projects such beauty... beauty inspireing enough, to want to bring the painting
to life...just my opinion.

SpiritDreamer
12-02-2005, 02:41 AM
Hi
Pushav...THANKS
So tell me, have you upped your resolution yet...best way to get better results,
for that great painterly style your developeing,...it's the iceing on the cake
that makes it taste so good you know... ;)

Rebeccak
12-02-2005, 04:45 AM
Vidar3d,

By no means is this paintover perfect or finished, but I thought it might help to show some areas where your painting could be improved. I think you have done a terrific job so far, and would hope that you would continue to work on it, despite OFDW 008 having opened ~ remembering that all OFDWs remain open indefinitely. :)

I think the main thing is that in the Ref photo, the model's head / face has a lot of presence. Adding more highlights to the model's face will give it more attention and focus in contrast to the darker body ~ and also, I have increased the size of the head and raised it in position to make it a bit more proportional to the body.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20007/Vidar_tweak.gif

Also, you have a really good rhythm in the top part of the body, but the lower part / leg straightens out too much. Notice the exxaggerated S curve of the body that makes this pose so interesting. I tweaked the leg just slightly to give it a more continuous curve, which I think should help the overall pose.

You're doing a terrific job! Keep working on this, I think you are making some tremendous improvements. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-02-2005, 04:49 AM
Spirit Dreamer,

I'm thrilled to see you working without effects! You're doing a great job ~ keep pushing those values, and I agree with the others that the face has a lot of presence ~ good work there, as it's not obvious that the piece has been done from photo reference. Try to make the temperature shifts a bit more subtle, and really push those complimentary colors of blue and orange, pink and green, etc...grayed down colors are ace in my book!

Looking good, keep tweaking. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
12-03-2005, 05:25 AM
SpiritDreamer, the eyes are fantastic! but do you think their axis of alignment might be little bit off?
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/007-spiritdreamer.jpg

Rebeccak
12-03-2005, 12:46 PM
Good point, drawMonger, and thanks for the drawover! :)

SD, I agree, there is something funny there. Quickly double check your axes, and perhaps move things around a bit for better alignment. :)

Cheers,

~Rk

SpiritDreamer
12-03-2005, 03:03 PM
Hi DrawMonger
Scanned in some examples.
On a 3/4 view the eyes, nose and lips are contained within an elipse. They are not on a straight plane and therefore they don't line up as if they are. The farthest eye is smaller in length and the corner where it meets the nose is not even with the eye closest to the viewer where that eye meets the nose. I checked and corrected the eyes to the point where they look correct to me and if they are off ever so slightly I don't think it warrants change. After all you should never sacrifice what is looking fantastic just for accuracy's sake. Just my opinion.
Thanks for the help and observations concerning my painting. Really appreciate it and will always welcome it. And hope that I can be of some help to you in the future also.
Take care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/sample3.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/sample2.jpg
http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/sample1.jpg

ericyeo
12-03-2005, 03:26 PM
I am finally done.. I think I going to fix the face... I have red green deficiency most of my artwork are in black and white, few of my artwork are in color. *sob* So here is mine attempt.
Everyone well done and great artwork. :D

http://www.geocities.com/ericyeo1982/ref.jpg

Rebeccak
12-03-2005, 03:34 PM
ericyeo,

Beautiful work, and great to see you back! :applause: I really love the color / temperature shift from the legs to the shoulders to the face ~ nice work there! :) The face is quite compelling, ~ her left eye looks a little 'sleepy' but it is an easy fix. :) The fan and her left hand look really great so far! The area which I think is flattening out is her lower leg ~ I think if you modeled this area a little more, it would add a lot of life to your really beautiful picture. :)

I would recommend softening a few of the transitions in the shoulder area ~ I recommend just sampling the colors you already have, and lightly painting over the transitions between colors with a low opacity airbrush or similar brush to soften that area.

Definitely looking forward to your next update! Great to see your work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
12-03-2005, 09:34 PM
Hello DrawMonger and Rebecca

Latest News Headline :
"Spirit Dreamer Puts Foot In Mouth One More Time"
LOL :eek:

Put photo of model on a layer, then put my latest version on a layer and then put that on top of photo layer then pressed the screen setting in Painter * layers

Then lo and behold - the far eye is off a half inch!
(Who would have thought it??) :)

The closest eye, eyebrow, nose, jawline and outer edge of face are spot on and line up perfect.

Photo's eyebrow far-side is half inch above the one in my painting;
Same with photo's eyeball, far-side.

Shows up clearly in the lower picture.

So Thanks DrawMonger for pointing that error out.
And Thanks Rebecca for pushing me to correct it.

I knew something was off in eyes, but not sure what it was exactly. And didn't know where to start to correct it. Now I do.

Also I worked on her hair last night. Starting to shape up I think.

Thanks again to the two of you.
Your help is very much appreciated and well taken

It would be a shame not to get this totally accurate after all this work.

Take Care
Glenn







http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_petiite_33.JPG


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_petiite_33_face.JPG
http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_hot_petiite_007-02-1-a_face.JPG

Rebeccak
12-03-2005, 09:39 PM
SpiritDreamer,

LOL, I saw the last image and thought she had lost a contact :D but hehe, not to worry, as an artist you have every right to defend your work! But ~ what's that I see on the hair? Filters! *eek*! :D You know how I feel about filters. :D

Looking good though, SD, I ain't mad atcha. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rk

SpiritDreamer
12-03-2005, 09:41 PM
Rebecca
I can't get away with anything can I??
LOL
Glenn

Rebeccak
12-03-2005, 09:44 PM
I'm going to make you paint without filters if it kills me. :D :scream:

pushav
12-03-2005, 09:44 PM
Wow! Nice stuff peoples!:thumbsup:
Spiritdreamer- I like the hair on yours. Nice face! Keep using that morphing brush! It is a powerful tool. I cant use it in photoshop so I use black to corect my freehand painting.
ericyeo-I like the hair strands. You deserve a beer are painting that so here
it is:beer:Lol. Nice job.

SpiritDreamer
12-04-2005, 03:12 AM
Hi
Pushav
I didn't use the morph brush on this one,I corected errors around face and figure
useing the background color,which is a very deep purple that looks black, but
turns a nice shade of purple when a spotlight is cast opon it. Only used a couple
of fancy brushes, or as Rebecca calles them filters on the hair, just to get the
swirl going in it, I will go back into the hair later, paint it with regular oil brushes
and brown auburn reds, and golds, to see if I can get the light to shine through it
like in the photo,after I work on the eye problem that is driveing me nuts....:buttrock:
Hey... Nice job so far on your #8 figure. Have you tried using the SOFENER BRUSH
located in the TINTING BRUSH section in painter, you still have painter don't you
If you do, it's a really nice brush, that softens the edges, or whatever, without
changing or altering the colors that are there, just softens...GREAT BRUSH..
Try it if you have it, I think you'll like it.Keep painting the figures the way you are
doing it, you will get more comfortable with it as you go alonge. Start out with
big brushs, and start using smaller, and then smaller brushes, as you progress into
details towards the end. Also nice to see you upping the resolution, as you go
alonge, will get a nicer efect for sure....:)
Well, talk to you later, and Thanks...
Take Care
Glenn


Rebecca
I'll stop useing filters, if you start painting with color...LOL...:D ...With your painter
program of course, just kidding, I Know you don't have a lot of time to spare, I just
could'nt resist that one. Some day, i'll get to see one of these figures done by you
useing the oil brushes in painter, i'm sure....can't wait...:bounce:
Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak
12-04-2005, 03:18 AM
LMAO! :scream: Even trade! :thumbsup:

I guess we all have to...let go....:scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
12-04-2005, 03:37 AM
HI
Rebecca
There you go Lady...That's the Spirit...
I just figured that one good push, deserves another...LOL...:)
Take Care
Glenn

drawMonger
12-04-2005, 05:16 AM
Hey Spirit Dreamer, i think you've got the best likeness for the model in the whole thread :applause: It's a real challenge working on these figures...before posting here my longest work on a single pic was about 3hours...now three hours is barely the first WIP! I think the time spent on yours is well worth it, as once you've refined the body, it'll be a great piece.

I certainly don't mind if you choose not to take on board any crits from yours truely...as you know, i'm no expert ;)

SpiritDreamer
12-04-2005, 04:39 PM
Hi Rebecca and DrawMonger
Redid the far eye this morning.
This is the original version before filters. Spot lights contrast etc.
Brush stokes still visible. Just for you Rebecca. LOL:)
Had to lighten it up before to see where the mistake was more clearly.
When you get a chance let me know what you think.
Take care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_30_face.JPG



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_36_face.jpg

SpiritDreamer
12-05-2005, 10:20 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone - Another update.
Got off face finally after painting out eye on far side. And repainting it a half inch higher
than it was.
Started refining body today. And started putting shadows in hair.
Alot of refinements left to do.
Want to emphasize face and hair more than body.
Will try to do this using light and shadow.
Suggestions and advice always welcome and appreciated.
Am trying for the "Vargas-look" on this one.
Take care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_45_face.JPG



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_45.JPG

Rebeccak
12-05-2005, 11:30 PM
Really beautiful so far, Spirit Dreamer! :thumbsup: This one really has an impact!! :wip:

More comments later... :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

SpiritDreamer
12-09-2005, 01:55 PM
Hi Rebecca
Worked on legs tried to match colors in photo for them
Alot of colors.
Hands and small details left. Maybe more arch in back.
Any suggestions for improvements welcome.
I have been working on an elk painting for a t-shirt design last couple of days.
Will post on "animals" when it is done.
ANd hopefully get caught up on #8 and start #9.
Not enough hours in the day.
LOL
Take care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/red_head_51.JPG

Rebeccak
12-09-2005, 04:37 PM
Spirit Dreamer,

I was thinking of this yesterday and was going to send you a PM, but I may as well mention it here ~ I think it would be great if you created your own Anatomy Thread and called it "Anatomy Thread of SpiritDreamer" so that we could see all of your work together in one place. :) It would be interesting for you, as well I think, to be able to see your progression over time.

This piece is turning out beautifully, and has a much softer feel than some of your other work ~ I'm really liking this one a lot!

How close to being finished to you feel that you are on this? (Out of curiosity). :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
12-10-2005, 02:26 PM
Hi
Rebecca
This is basically done, I could perfect it for years, like the Mona Lisa... I fell in love with
the pose, lighting and beauty of the model, right from the start. :love:
As far as creating my own thread, I will have to throw a lot of sugar Mrs. Spirit Dreamer's
way, sounds like an awful lot of work, transfering all my wips fom one thread to another.
She's the one who knows all the in's and out's about the computers... I just do the
painting LOL!, and am still typeing with one finger.
Maybe you could explain to her,how to do it, and make it sound easy LOL, FOR MY SAKE!
Sounds like a great plan to me. I also really like your idea for makeing finished paintings
from these models. Maybe study how the old masters ran their workshops. Maybe do
one painting, where each student contributes a figure, and piece of the landscape,like
like that one the anunciaccion of the virgin I think it's called, where Da Vinci did his first
angle in oils,and blew everyone else away. Creat a concept, and have everyone's specialty
showcased in it. Just a thought, one of many,will have to dream on them some more, and
get back to you.
Let me know what you think...
Take Care
Glenn

Mu
12-10-2005, 06:08 PM
Maybe do one painting, where each student contributes a figure, and piece of the landscape

while this dream does your name credit and sounds like a wonderful form of workshop it will, on the other hand, certainly lead to general dislike of some parts of the final composition, namely those I put my hands on.:D

SpiritDreamer
12-10-2005, 07:28 PM
Hi
MR MU
LOL....Hey, look at it this way, everybody will go out of their way to help you perfect your
piece of the puzzle, and that can only lead to improvement for everyone involed,.. it becomes
a win win situation, for everyone. A lot of the old masters probably said the same thing you
just said, and look what happened to them. It's only a little paint, and a lot of vanity
that gets in the way of perfection. Besides, your piece of the puzzle might end up being the
best piece, if there is such a thing, you never know until you try. I bet you, if we ever did
a painting like this, we would all come away knowing a lot more than when we started, about
painting, and ourselves, which is the whole object of and lesson of this kind of team effort.
If we ended up with a beautiful painting, which i'm positive we would, then so much the better.
After all it is a tried and proven method, we're talking about here, You Know ! ;)
Take Care
Glenn

Mu
12-10-2005, 07:36 PM
I bet you, if we ever did a painting like this, we would all come away knowing a lot more than when we started, about painting, and ourselves, which is the whole object of and lesson of this kind of team effort.

agreed! And whatsover I say that sounds like skepticism - you can count me in anyways...:scream:

I think I was actually - in a shy, fuzzy and all in all rather inefficient way - trying to find out if beginners were going to be accepted on the team...:D

Rebeccak
12-10-2005, 07:49 PM
Mr. Mu,

Beginners accepted! Beginners accepted! :wip:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
12-10-2005, 09:51 PM
woot!

and - does this reply also mean that SpiritDreamer's idea just leveled up to a definite plan with mod support?

Per-Anders
01-05-2006, 05:19 AM
todays quick entry

http://www.peranders.com/gallery/images/lifedrawing008.jpg

Rebeccak
01-05-2006, 05:35 AM
Per,

Sweet! You going all the way back to 001? :) (Happy to see you do so). :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

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