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Corvax
11-13-2005, 10:47 PM
Okay since personal treads seams to be the big thing right now I guess I'll give it a go:)

I don't really know how this works, if you guys wanna know something about me or you'd rather I don't talk to much and just post some artwork anyhow just tell me if I'm doing this all wrong.

I guess I'll start of by posting a drawing, I cant be completely off that way *hehe*.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_01_traditional.jpg
This was drawn from photoreference which I got over ad Hong Ly's Characterdesigns.com site, it was drawn on brown kardus using graphite and chalk. the scan isn't to good but it'll have to do :shrug:.

feel more then welcome to comment on this and following drawings or paintings in this thread.

Cheers David René.

Sorry about my bad english by the way:) .

Rebeccak
11-14-2005, 02:47 AM
Corvax / David René,

First off, which do you prefer to be called? :) I'm happy to see your new thread! :) Since this is your thread, you are most welcome to post here whatever you please ~ I personally like to hear about peoples' backgrounds / training etc. as it helps me to understand where folks are coming from, plus it's just interesting to hear. :) So a little bio would be cool if you don't mind it. :)

This is a really nice piece, and I'm really glad to see that folks are taking advantage of Hong's excellent photos ~ he's be happy to know it, too. I'm interested to know the size of this drawing and what materials you used. I really like the tonal quality of the paper, your linework and shading. Overall, it's quite a nice piece, despite there being a slight problem with her right hip ~ she needs just a bit more of a waist ~ but as a total drawing, this is really impressive. :)

Do you plan to do Anatomy Studies here, or figure drawings, or both? Up to you. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-14-2005, 06:24 AM
he he ... well I tend to refer to myself as David .. that being my name and all.. but David, Dave, Mr. René or Corvax as long as I know I'm the one in question.

And about me:

Well after I finished my basic schooling, I went right of and started studying graphic arts and here in Denmark that's mostly done trough a three year apprenticeship, but the print industry wasn't doing too well and wasn't all keen on taking in any apprentices, I think there were four out of a class of twenty who got an apprenticeship and that was all trough connections, so after about six months I had to leave that idea, anyway nothing is ever wasted and I learned a lot about layouts, typography, printing, scanning and the whole digital imaging thing during that time.

after I gave up graphic arts, I went on to study to become an architectural assistant (basically doing clean up of floor plans and architectural drawings), that was all about perspective and construction drawing, lots of fun, but again we weren't really in demand and I ran into the apprenticeship issue again.

well during that time I had been introduced to AutoCAD and was really exited about some of the 3D things you could do whit it and wanted to explore that some more. So I started on a 3D course and while I was there I went from being exited about architecture to being really exited about characters and more specific character design I was actually so exited about and studied to hard that soon the course I was attending couldn't keep up whit me, so I left plus what I really wanted to do was make up and draw characters not model or animate them.

so now I'm taking a few courses (mainly to justify me just drawing all the time *hehe*), and just building up my skills and portfolio so that i can get into design school.

enough talk and more drawings:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/cloth_imagination_01_tradit.jpg



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/cloth_imagination_02_tradit.jpg
this is me failing miserably at drawing cloth whit out reference *hehe*
its again graphite and chalk.

Rebeccak
11-14-2005, 06:33 AM
David,

Hey, cool! Thanks for all of the info ~ sounds like you have an interesting history already! :) It's interesting for me to hear about the job market / training system in Europe, as it is quite different from here in the US. It seems much more connections / apprenticeship based, and school is, I think, the main route to a job there. Not that that is much different from here, really. But I don't think you have to be as connected ~ you just have to have the money to pay for school, which is a big obstacle for many.

At any rate, I hope that this thread will be useful for you in working on your Design Portfolio! :) Tell me, how is design school different from the type of apprenticeship you had before? I am just curious. :)

Well, I don't think that I would categorize at all your drawings here as "failing miserably" ;) ~ these are quite nice studies! I would say that the texture and shape makes the drawings appear to be of living things like trees, but I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. In and of themselves, these are beautiful drawings ~ it would be cool to see what you could do from live sources, as well. :)

Well, I think you have a good start here. What would you like to most work on ~ what is most required for your entrance to Design School? :)

Looking forward to seeing how your thread develops! :wip: Off to bed for me!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-14-2005, 09:32 PM
Okay I just wanted to answer some of the questions I didn't get to in prier posts.

the sizes of the drawings and materials used:

the first drawing is about 12,5 inches long (from the tips of her fingers to tips of her toes) the following two are about 6-7 inches tall.

Materials used:
Graphite pencils 4B to 9B plus one HB.
white chalk.
Brown rough kardus paper (I don't know if you call it kardus in the US sorry).

all three pieces are drawn using the same techniques; lightly roughing in the drawing using a hard pencil (which always looks like an awful mess of hairy lines :) ), and then just defining lines and shadows using softer pencils and finally highlighting whit chalk.

Do I plan to do anatomy studies or figure drawing:
well this is kinda embarrassing, :hmm: and goes to show just how much of an art novice I am *hehe* :) because I have no idea what the definition or the difference is of the two.
I guess I'm gonna throw this right back at you and ask; what would be the best approach to learning to draw the human figure?

okay im gonna leave it at that ~ might come back to comment on the whole schooling thingy.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_ofdw007_01_traditiona.jpg

Is it okay I post this here or would it be considered overkill sens its also posted in the OFDW thread?

--Cheers David René.

Rebeccak
11-15-2005, 08:23 AM
David,

I've no problem with you posting in both places. :) In fact I think it helps to give a better sense of your progression.

There's really no right or wrong way to approach learning to draw. You're doing the important part, which is to practice. I would continue to participate in the OFDWs and if there is a life drawing session in your area, I would encourage you to go to that if you can. Or, you might want to draw people or animals in public settings, like a shopping mall or zoo. (Same difference, sometimes). ;)

I would mainly suggest following your instincts at this point. Do what you enjoy, and your instincts will lead you.

I'm happy to see your interest in the forum. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-15-2005, 10:22 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_02_traditional.jpg


got some strange things going on in the upper back but I think it overall communicates alright. About an hour went into this, so it is kinda rough :) .


-- cheers David René.

Rebeccak
11-16-2005, 12:25 AM
David,

You've got a lot of really good things going in these drawings ~ I love the tone of the paper, and the alternately aggressive and sensitive linework ~ it's quite advanced. :) There is in addition an emotional quality to your work which is lending the figures an aura of gravitas which I am enjoying quite a lot.

Which artists of the past do you most admire? I think you would greatly benefit by studying the particular work of a favorite artist ~ at some point. You are doing quite well here on your own, and it will be nice to see your further explorations.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-17-2005, 03:05 PM
just wanted to post this before I go off to class.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_03_traditional.jpg

DoctorBone
11-17-2005, 05:38 PM
Strong works here <> even stronger if you use your whites a little less <> it is about choices and the hightlight think takes a great deal of restraint <> I fight it all the time <> we all do!

Think where you what to viewer to look first <> that's it your done <> stop!

I know it is not really all that easy!

Rebeccak
11-18-2005, 02:57 AM
David,

Nice drawing ~ there are a few small problems, but you've really got a nice feeling of oppositional curves going here which is quite nice. I think if her right side had a bit more of an elongated / stretched feel, and her left side a more compressed feel, this would be an even stronger drawing. Her left hand is a bit odd, though I commend you for drawing this much of the figure successfully. I think what would help the drawing of the face is if you do what is called 'completing forms' ~ where you imagine the underlying basic geometry / structure of things, such that the cheek becomes a ball, the face an elliptical sphere, etc. Drawing a strict contour often flattens the shape ~ try exaggerating the roundness of things to get areas to read dimensionally.

This piece (particularly the area of the torso) pleasantly reminds me of some of Rubens' drawings. :)

Nice to see more of your work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-20-2005, 12:36 AM
~DoctorBone: I do have a tendency to overdo my highlights ... I'll make a mental note about it. thanks


~Rebeccak: It was a bit rushed .. not my finest work :) , I do appreciate the critic thou and I'll try to take more care whit how I render forms.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_04_traditional.jpg



I don't think I placed this figure to well on the page, properly should have taken the time to crop it before posting... I'm so lazy... :p


-- David René

Rebeccak
11-20-2005, 02:02 PM
Dave,

This is a beautiful drawing! You really have strong understanding of form, and grace / solidity as well. I think the body, for the most part, is done exceptionally well. There's a minor problem with the right foot, but it's small. The main thing I notice that may be a bit off in your drawings is the 3/4 views of the head. I think you tend to give the models too much cranial mass, and the heads end up looking perhaps a bit too solid. Perhaps you might want to try some head studies only? I actually think those are great exercises for all of us. Hmmm... :)

Nice work, as I'm coming to expect! :) Great to see your fast drawings on the 15 minute sketchathon thread as well! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-20-2005, 09:15 PM
Just playing around in photoshop, about 30 min.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/roughface.jpg


I like the colors and the lighting but besides that im not too sure about this one. :p

SpiritDreamer
11-22-2005, 08:18 PM
Hi Dave
Really nice drawings, excellent draftmanship.
I think, at the point your at now, you might really benifit from a couple of Burne Hogarth
books, one being Dynamic Anatomy, and the other being Dynamic Figure Drawing.
He also has one called Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery which you might be interested in
also.If your interested in figure creation, and character design, then he's your man.
His books are great and easy to understand.Everything you will ever need to know about
figure drawing, is contained within them. You'll be amazed, and delighted, I think.
Get them if you can, they will really help you take your drawings to a higher level.
Very nice site you have here by the way.
Take Care
Glenn

Corvax
11-22-2005, 09:04 PM
Thanks for the recommendations Glenn.

Burne Hogarth hmm.. sounds familiar, was he a comic book artist in 50th-60th's?
anyhow I'm gonna add those to my list of things to read, which is getting quite long (I see a trip to the library coming up in the near future) :).

~David René.

Rebeccak
11-22-2005, 09:22 PM
David,

One of Hogarth's books is listed here:

Anatomy Resources : BOOKS
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257424

Once you find one, you can find them all off of Amazon.com. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-22-2005, 11:17 PM
thanks for link Rebeccak..:thumbsup:

alright here's a pretty rough one, about 45 min. graphite and chalk. enjoy

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_05_traditional.jpg


~David René.

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 12:32 AM
David,

Another nice drawing ~ but as you know, not as strong as your others ~ which is okay, I'm happy to see you continue to produce nice work! :arteest:My main suggestion here would be to watch the relationship of the head / neck and how it is connected to the body. Her neck seems a bit thick, and the distance between the pit of the neck (where the clavicles meet near the top of the sternum) and the start of her breasts could be longer. Basically, her head / neck belong to a much bigger body.

With respect to your digital painting, I think you just need to spend a bit more time redrawing the chest area. I quite like the direction you are going in with respect to the face. I think it's a matter of getting consistent edge control, and manipulating the softness / hardness of edges as they come forward / recede.

Nice to see your work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-24-2005, 12:35 AM
Another shot at digital painting.. lot of things that aren't working in this one :p but it was fun to make and sometimes you just gotta have fun :D (<-- never really understood this smiley it's suppose to be a grin, but it looks like someone in excruciating pain.
).

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/roughface2.jpg

~David René.

Rebeccak
11-24-2005, 12:39 AM
Hehe, Corvax, I'd love to do a paintover on this later, if you don't mind...so much potential, but small things are off, which is throwing the larger picture askance...but it's really so cool to see you experimenting like this! :thumbsup: LOL, that :D smiley is a personal favorite of mine...so evocative of that embarrassed, cover it up grin that I like to whip out when caught in an awkward situation, like when you walk down the hall and bump into someone :D or spill orange juice on your jacket in front of your boss :D or squash your friend's birthday present accidentally under a book :D ~ it's the smiley for all embarassing situations, really! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-24-2005, 01:15 AM
Go right ahead Rebaccak... I'll be looking forward to it.


ooh aah before I forget, a quick note to Spirit Dreamer, he was asking in some other thread if I got around to taking a look ad Burne Hogarth, not to worry Glenn I'm going to the library tomorrow to order home the books (suburban library -- all they have is Harry Potter :rolleyes: ).

*Yawn* off to bed for me now.

~David René.

Rebeccak
11-24-2005, 03:11 AM
Hmm, well, this is just a start, but shows, hopefully, the axes of the brow, eyes, lips and chin in a bit more alignment...hope it's useful. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/15%20min%20sketch/Corvax_Rev_giffer.gif

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-26-2005, 09:55 PM
~Rebeccak: hmm I do tend to just throw down elements ad random when I paint, I find it really hard to think about form, lighting scheme and proportions without getting a nosebleed *hehe*.

I think I've been mousing around too much, and I got this weird tinkle in my elbow, it scared the **** out of me :sad:, so I decided to give my wrist and fingers a bit of rest and draw whit my shoulder a bit more. Drawing whit my shoulder just means that I cant squeeze as much into the small format that I'm working in. so here are some closeups of some legs.. bi - and quadruped :) .

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/112601.jpg




http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/112602.jpg


Cheers ~ David René

Rebeccak
11-26-2005, 10:04 PM
David,

These are beautiful images, particularly the top one ~ are you a fan of Ingres and Degas? The second drawing in particular makes me think of Degas' drawings of horses. They are really beautiful, you should check them out, if you have not already. :)

http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10063000/10063211.jpg
http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10063000/10063211.jpg

http://www.harvard-magazine.com/lib/05ja/images/0705-44_01.jpg
http://www.harvard-magazine.com/lib/05ja/images/0705-44_01.jpg

http://images.allposters.com/images/nim/vr327.jpg
http://images.allposters.com/images/nim/vr327.jpg

Drawing seems to come naturally to you ~ is it something you have long been doing, or something picked up more recently? I really love the flow of lines / tones in your first piece. Definitely look forward to seeing more of your work in this thread. :)



Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
11-26-2005, 10:15 PM
EDIT: With respect to 'mousing around', do you use a Wacom tablet? Painting with a mouse is not only impossible, it's really bad for you ~ you could get carpal tunnel way too easily. If you plan on doing a good deal of digital work, check out this thread in the General Discussion forum re: Wacom tablets:

Wacom Tablets, ... researching before i buy (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295886)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295886

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-27-2005, 12:28 AM
Yes I do have a tablet and I use it a fair bit I've even got a nice large one so that I don't have to use my wrist and fingers so much while working digital.

I've also always made it a principal to take extra care of myself while working at the computer.

I have a deep table so that I can get my keyboard and mouse/tablet far enough away from me to rest my elbows on the table, the height of my table and chair are set to be at the most ergonomic level (you're knees need to bend at a 90 degree angle and when you back is strait you elbow should be able to rest on you table so that they too bend ad little over a 90 degree angle and you should be looking a slightly bit down ad you monitor NOT strait on!!).

I also stretch my back, arms and eyes before and after I sit down at the computer (stretching your eyes might sound odd but you're looking ad something at the same distance for maybe 10 hours a day, that's the equivalent to holding you arm in the same position for the same amount of time!!).

I might be oversensitive to the issue, so it freaks me out when I have an alien felling in my arm or back/neck area, but I'd rather be on the save side.



In regards to my drawing I guess it the classical story, I've always been doodling on something and then in the last 6-8 months or so I've kinda started exploring the mechanics of drawing, taking it serious It guess.


~Cheers David René.

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 01:25 AM
David,

Hmm, good to hear that you are so sensitive to ergonomics ~ it's definitely a good thing. On occasion, I've felt that warning tingle in my arm / wrist, and I definitely take that seriously, and take a break from whatever it is that I am doing. Carpal tunnel is no joke, and is, so far as I know, irreversible, so I definitely don't want to get it.

Great tips, by the way! I am probably the worst person in terms of correct posture, so these tips help. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
11-27-2005, 09:43 PM
Im not really sure about this one ... it looks a bit flat and the head seems to small... oh well better luck next time :shrug: .



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/112701.jpg



~David René

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 10:13 PM
David,

Check out post #11 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2532109&postcount=11) in the Animals - 2D / 3D TRADITIONAL AND DIGITAL (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=258113&page=1) thread ~ I've linked a bunch of horse anatomy links there which you should check out.

It would be cool to see some horse anatomy studies done from these (or other Reference)! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
12-04-2005, 10:15 PM
Sketching in Photoshop:
I don't know if this one even applies to this forum but I'll post it anyway.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/mort.jpg

~David René.

Rebeccak
12-04-2005, 10:39 PM
David,

Awesome! Definitely applicable! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
12-06-2005, 04:50 PM
Yet another little photoshop sketch:

Not really happy about this one and I kinda gave up at the feet... really need to take a step back and look ad some more animal reference I think :D .


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/lizard.jpg

~David René.

Corvax
12-20-2005, 04:21 PM
Painting from the Open Figure Drawing Workshop 004:

http://david87.users.whitehat.dk/zhuzhu_nr2_wip3.jpg

Painting from the Open Figure Drawing Workshop 006:

http://david87.users.whitehat.dk/ron0205done.jpg


Paintings from the Open Figure Drawing Workshop 008:


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW_008_pose_02_painting04.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/OFDW_008_pose_01_painting06.jpg

~David René.

zng-Y
12-20-2005, 05:20 PM
Okay since personal treads seams to be the big thing right now I guess I'll give it a go:)

I don't really know how this works, if you guys wanna know something about me or you'd rather I don't talk to much and just post some artwork anyhow just tell me if I'm doing this all wrong.

I guess I'll start of by posting a drawing, I cant be completely off that way *hehe*.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/woman_01_traditional.jpg
This was drawn from photoreference which I got over ad Hong Ly's Characterdesigns.com site, it was drawn on brown kardus using graphite and chalk. the scan isn't to good but it'll have to do :shrug:.

feel more then welcome to comment on this and following drawings or paintings in this thread.

Cheers David René.

Sorry about my bad english by the way:) .

omg, she even looks hot!
great anatomy drawing!

SpiritDreamer
12-20-2005, 06:58 PM
Hi
Corvax
Frame #34 bottom....BEAUTIFUL PAINTING....
All of them have some really nice qualitys in them, but I think it all came together perfectly
in that one....thats just my own opinion though.
I can really see a strong and rapid progression in your work.....NICE...:thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn

CBee
12-21-2005, 01:48 AM
I agree with Spirit Dreamer. Great stuff, Corvax :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 04:16 AM
David,

It's great to see your OFDW work all together, you can really see the progress! Your first pieces are really good, but your latest pieces are really fantastic! :applause: I'm glad you've posted these. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lyneran
12-22-2005, 12:07 AM
wow those ofdw pieces are nothing short of excellent work! :thumbsup:

Corvax
12-22-2005, 09:25 PM
Thanks for all the nice comments guys :)

I'm trying to get into the habit of drawing every day and its not as easy as it sounds :) . so this is today's drawing, sort of a short session, an hour/90 minutes, since I had to go and do the whole gift swapping thingy today.

charcoal on some grainy paper ~ no reference used.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/indianer01.jpg

~David René.

SpiritDreamer
12-23-2005, 02:09 AM
HI ...Corvax..
Hope to see more of these, you handle that tectnique nicely...good subject also.
Might try putting him or someone like him on one of your great horses ....just a thought.
Take Care
Glenn

Vidar3d
12-23-2005, 08:43 PM
Great stuff. Especially love that first image. Very disturbing!

Corvax
12-28-2005, 06:05 PM
A toad/reptile/lizard thingy...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/frog.jpg



~David René.

Rebeccak
12-28-2005, 06:12 PM
I LOVE IT! :scream: :applause: That so rocks! :thumbsup:

Corvax
12-29-2005, 11:31 PM
I need a bit of a change today so I decided to start a Zbrush project. I haven't had the software so long so I'm kind of learning it as I go along, so its not the prettiest render :p sorry about that.

Zbrush head WIP:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/Zdood01.jpg

~David René.

SpiritDreamer
12-30-2005, 01:46 AM
WOW.!!...Corvax...:bounce:

I don't know anything about the Z brush, but I do know what's good when I see it.
Can't wait to see more..:thumbsup:

Glenn

Corvax
12-30-2005, 05:30 AM
Spirit Dreamer: glad you liked it, keep in mind I didn't paint this, I just sculpted it and the computer took care of the lighting and all that. if you're into sculpting and you wanna try a digital approach to it, you should really check out Zbrush.

Alright had some issue whit that face, and from my experience it often helps if I step back and study the mecanics of what I'm trying to create, so I did a quick skull study, just to refresh whats going on under the surface.

ZBursh Skull study:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/zshull.jpg


~David René.

Rebeccak
12-30-2005, 05:44 AM
Dave,

I'm really lovin' your ZBrush work! I'm sure by now you've seen Gunilla's thread, perhaps the two of you can share tips and advice for modeling and texturing. :thumbsup:

Very cool things ahead, I think! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Gunilla
01-04-2006, 08:31 AM
Hey- Great! Another ZB starter, good to see! Cool skull :thumbsup:
You got some really nice paintings here too - especially that from Open Figure Drawing Workshop 006, I love his expression.

Will follow this for sure from now!

Corvax
01-14-2006, 08:14 PM
Speed painting, roughly an hour.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/speedpainting01.jpg

~David René.

Rebeccak
01-14-2006, 08:16 PM
Hey, nice! Really starting to get some nice digital technique. :) The only thing I would say is that I feel as though I'm looking at her back, and her head is twisted round.

Good stuff!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

GonzaloGolpe
01-14-2006, 10:42 PM
Cool anatomy drawings,Corvax!!:thumbsup:

Corvax
02-09-2006, 12:22 PM
just for fun:


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/man.jpg


--David René

Rebeccak
02-09-2006, 12:26 PM
David René,

Great to see you back! I was beginning to wonder what happened to you...:D...nice to see new work here! :)

Check out Icey's Anatomy Thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2967040#post2967040) when you get the chance, as he is doing imaginative creatures as well. :) And I think both of you are working to add onto a solid traditional skillset with more digitally oriented work ~ it might be nice if you shared some tips and tricks with one another. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-09-2006, 12:42 PM
RK:

yeah.. I think the Anatomy forums is growing too big for me I just cant seem to cache up whit all the stuff happening and kinda lost interest for a while ~ yep I know of iceys work don't really remember any creatures thou.

oh well guess I can post this too.. never really got around to finishing this fellow, It felt like I was reinventing an old painting of mine.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/vampire.jpg

GonzaloGolpe
02-09-2006, 01:29 PM
UARRGGHHH!!hehe cool works!like the bright touches of the stand up monster and his arms like popeye..tutuuuuu!:thumbsup:


▒ Zalo ▒

Corvax
02-10-2006, 02:44 AM
a speed painting:
.. I kinda like this one, I think I might just take the time to flesh it out... we'll see :)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/speed-copy.jpg

Rebeccak
02-10-2006, 02:57 AM
David,

I'm really sorry to hear that you feel that way about the forum...there are actually some potential changes in the works to try to streamline and organize the forum so it makes more sense, and is easier to navigate.

I would hate to lose you as a participant and contributor here, so if you have any suggestions for the forum, please let me know. :)

That first concept painting is amazing, and a huge leap from the other digital creature work I've seen of yours ~ just Wow! :thumbsup: Any secrets you'd like to share re: this sudden leap? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-11-2006, 03:34 AM
That first concept painting is amazing, and a huge leap from the other digital creature work I've seen of yours ~ just Wow! :thumbsup: Any secrets you'd like to share re: this sudden leap?



I use a substantial amount of reference for it .. I think thats what did it. :)


creature artist collecting reference: :p

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/chreatureArtist-web.jpg

Rebeccak
02-11-2006, 03:36 AM
Laugh...My...A**...Off...:scream:

That is the greatest thing I think I have ever seen! :scream: :bounce: :applause: :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-11-2006, 03:46 AM
yeah I thought you might get a kick out of it .. :D

Rebeccak
02-11-2006, 03:52 AM
Lol, you were right! :scream: Fantastic! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-11-2006, 07:51 AM
And just for you Rebekka (others may look as well) .. another cartoon!!

The Anatomy Forum syndrome:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/theanatomyforumsyndrome.jpg

Corvax
02-11-2006, 01:33 PM
Here is one thats pretty rough, a bit more "painterly" maybe ... its definitely different then what I'm use to. however that being said and all, the digital medium worked unexpectedly well for this stile of painting.


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/impressoman.jpg

Rebeccak
02-11-2006, 01:35 PM
David...

I must say...

:scream: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :scream:

You so rock!!! :scream:

That is completely hilarious...:applause:

Me liking your second 'serious' painting too ~ nice painterly feeling! :thumbsup:

Corvax
02-11-2006, 02:02 PM
Thanks .. yeah I've been having a lot of fun making those cartoons .. another one is in the works as I'm typing, it pretty specific to those who use Photoshop but just the thought of makes me giggle :D .

I'll see you around in a couple of hours.

~David.

Rebeccak
02-11-2006, 02:12 PM
What a great (and hilarious) new direction for you! :scream: This is what I love about this forum...I never know what to expect! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Corvax
02-11-2006, 05:11 PM
hmmm... this was a lot better in my head.. :sad: I think it should have staid in there...:shrug:

anyway I'll have a new one later today.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/darnpaletteweb.jpg

Rebeccak
02-11-2006, 05:13 PM
David,

These are hilarious! :applause: Hmm, I wonder if he thought to press 'TAB'? :scream:

These are really great! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-11-2006, 08:55 PM
just a quickie... about an hour or so.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/chiwawaweb.jpg

nebezial
02-11-2006, 09:31 PM
great stuff goin on here..but those comic strips--- too hilarious awesome:beer:

raptor|3D
02-11-2006, 10:16 PM
Hi,
the images at the 1st page of your thread are spectacular - also the paper you draw on looks really amazing and I like how you "modeled" volume using white medium. I would say really artistic. :thumbsup: Hope to see more of this kind of images.

>mort.jpg: good concept design :)

>indianer01.jpg: cool! No reference? Are you kidding? :)

Rebeccak
02-11-2006, 10:21 PM
David,

OMG, you are completely rockin' your own thread! :thumbsup: Love the dog! It's fantastic! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ravena
02-12-2006, 10:01 PM
Hi Corvax,

I love your speed paints (chiwawa and #50) and your cartoons.
Great thread here!

Ciao,
Ravena

Corvax
02-13-2006, 05:39 AM
nebezial: thanks, glad you like them :)

raptor|3D: thanks mate ~ yeah the paper is quite nice, its made from paper paste (old scrap paper mixed with glue), it has a lot of grain, the fibres are hard to brake ~ meaning you can erase on the paper without ruining it ~ and you can use it with pretty much any medium !!!~ I've even tried water color on it once.
only thing is that is so grainy that it impossible to do any fine detailing but it is a really good all-round sketching paper.

Rebeccak: LOL... I always find you enthusiasm quite amazing.. :thumbsup: :beer:

Ravena: thanks ~ since you like the speedys, here is another one:

took me about two hours but I guess anybody could do that if they paid as little attention to their construction as I apparently did in this one :p .

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/speed_girl.jpg

Rebeccak
02-13-2006, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by David: Rebeccak: LOL... I always find you enthusiasm quite amazing.. :thumbsup: :beer:
I must stop sniffing glue...:scream:

I think your cartoons are a hit! You ought to produce a Calendar! :beer:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-13-2006, 04:06 PM
glue you say.. hmm I was always more into markers ~ it was just so embarrassing when you exited the copy room with a bran new marker moustache..:D .

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/glue_web.jpg

Ravena
02-13-2006, 04:21 PM
*lol*
Great work ... (poor woman but still lol)

Rebeccak
02-14-2006, 03:20 PM
David,

Hilarious! :applause: But...what is that thing on her nose? :D :scream:

LoTekK
02-14-2006, 03:59 PM
ROFL. :scream:

Y'know, Rebecca, when it's gotten so bad that you resort to sniffing postits, well, I don't really know what to say to that. :surprised

Rebeccak
02-14-2006, 04:03 PM
LMAO...you know, that sketch is completely appropriate, because I typically cover my monitor in post~its! :scream: It's scary when you can't find your CPU because it's covered in a heap of notes...:rolleyes: :scream:

LoTekK
02-14-2006, 04:20 PM
"Notes", huh? Uh-huh. Riiight.

http://www.lotekk.com/files/beccaglue.jpg

And just so I don't single-handedly derail the thread. :p You've got a nice handle on skin tones. :thumbsup: And that dog is adorable. :)

Corvax
02-14-2006, 04:21 PM
*sigh*... well I did get the nose right .. sort of ... alright its horrible. :sad:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/drawinweb.jpg

oh well did get another cartoon drawing done.

Its perfectly normal.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/16_inches_web.jpg

Rebeccak
02-14-2006, 04:23 PM
David, LMAO, that is ACE!!! :scream: :beer: :bounce:

Corvax
02-14-2006, 11:00 PM
so I was browsing around on my harddrive - as i often do - and stumbled upon some old paintings of mine .. they were kinda neat so I thought I'd share them :) .

the anatomy of a sphere..
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/refletiveballofdoom.jpg

this one was made in a rather clumsy program called painter.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/russiaweb.jpg

Rebeccak
02-14-2006, 11:05 PM
David,

Nice paintings, both! What's with these perfect, beautiful spheres? Is that from a Scott Robertson DVD as well? Mike Rollinson (default.rol) has a pair of beauts on his Anatomy Thread as well...I'm thinking there's a bug going around...wish I could catch it! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-14-2006, 11:13 PM
their from the Neville Page DVD's..

Rendering Eyes (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/npa03.html) and Rendering Flesh (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/npa04.html)..

Rebeccak
02-14-2006, 11:24 PM
Ah! The secret revealed! :D

It looks great...must...buy...DVD...:scream:

Corvax
02-15-2006, 08:28 PM
Alright so I think I'm done with the portraits for this week.. well almost :D
another portrait speed painting:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/protraitweb.jpg

Rebeccak
02-15-2006, 08:31 PM
David,

This has been an amazingly prolific week for you! :D

Do you have any of Burne Hogarth's books? I highly recommend them, particularly "Drawing the Human Head" which is really great for showing how to break down all sorts of angles in a simplified fashion. :)

I may have brought the books up before, if I have, blame it on the early onset Alzheimer's...:D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-15-2006, 08:44 PM
Glen (spirit dreamer) recommend Hogarth's book some while back.. I've been on the lookout for them but they are really hard to come by over here and I haven't had any luck yet :sad:.

Rebeccak
02-15-2006, 08:50 PM
Hmm, I'm really sorry to hear that...:(

I think I will have to work out an international Hogarth distribution program with his publisher, as it seems lots of folks are having a hard time finding his books...:shrug:

GonzaloGolpe
02-15-2006, 08:52 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/glue_web.jpg



D´OH!!:argh: great drawings man!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: lol!

▒Zalo▒

Corvax
02-15-2006, 11:23 PM
hmm.. guess I wasn't done after all.. this is the last one I promise..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/portraitweb.jpg

Rebeccak
02-16-2006, 12:00 AM
David,

Lol, why promise not to do more work on your Anatomy Thread? :D

These portraits are cool...do you think you'll be participating in the next OFDW? :) :arteest:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Mu
02-16-2006, 08:50 AM
Corvax, man, you are absolutely back with a vegeance on your own thread! :scream:

And these cartoons of yours - whatever you do: don't stop making them! I laughed my head of over each and all of them!


Want.... see.. more...

:scream:

ah, do I need to add that the portraits you do are great, too? They remind me a bit of Daniel Helzer's portraits. I think you might like them. Check out his thread in the WIP-section.

Corvax
02-16-2006, 07:40 PM
RebeccaK :
well I'm not gonna stop working on my thread, I'm just laying of faces for a while becouse honestly I'm not very good at them.. :)

Mu: sure I'll do more cartoons .. but I'm gonna hold back on those too, else they are just gonna get really bizarre, as I run out of material.. :)

a bit of a self portrait.. :D

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/me-web.jpg

Rebeccak
02-16-2006, 07:45 PM
David,

If that's a self~portrait, then you're babetastic! :applause: Unfortunately, my strongest muscle at the moment is the one which I use to click the mouse! :D

Seriously, nice work! I think the arms are a bit short, and there needs to be a bit more of a transition from the upper to the lower torso. It's funny, you have a real diversity of styles, from highly realistic, to cartoons, to something in between. Which do you prefer? :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-16-2006, 08:17 PM
If that's a self~portrait, then you're babetastic!

lol.. yeah unfortunately this is properly a more accurate depiction of me..:D

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/meweb2.jpg


It's funny, you have a real diversity of styles, from highly realistic, to cartoons, to something in between. Which do you prefer?

phew.. though question.. I really don't know, it all depends on my mood and whatever occupies me at the given moment.
I guess its connected to that I never "learned" to draw, I just learned from copying work that I liked, whether that was from the newspapers funny pages, action comicbooks or Michelangelo :shrug: , and honestly there isn't really that long from my OFDW paintings to the comicstrips, a lot of the same principals still apply.

Rebeccak
02-16-2006, 09:00 PM
lol.. yeah unfortunately this is properly a more accurate depiction of me..:D
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha!!! That's fantastic! :applause: I am laughing as I type...:D...great picture! :applause:

phew.. though question.. I really don't know, it all depends on my mood and whatever occupies me at the given moment.
I guess its connected to that I never "learned" to draw, I just learned from copying work that I liked, whether that was from the newspapers funny pages, action comicbooks or Michelangelo :shrug: , and honestly there isn't really that long from my OFDW paintings to the comicstrips, a lot of the same principals still apply.
That's really true, I think when you look at great cartoonists like Watterson (Calvin and Hobbes) you realize that the guy really knows how to draw classically, or his cartoons wouldn't be nearly as good...ah, Calvin and Hobbes, how I miss that cartoon! :D

Corvax
02-17-2006, 12:09 AM
I think when you look at great cartoonists like Watterson (Calvin and Hobbes) you realize that the guy really knows how to draw classically, or his cartoons wouldn't be nearly as good
True true....I guess that in order to brake the rules well, you really have to know them well.

oh my tread is at its 100 post anniversary.. well 101 now.. lets celebrate it with some traditional art. I had this box of red chalk laying around my art space for a while, and I finally got around to using it. It was quite a pleasant suprice, there was something wonderful about the softness of it that made it quite cool for figure drawing, we might have a new media favorite here.

I think I might have drawn and posted this pose before I cant remember, if that's the case, I'm very sorry.

the arm also kinda fell out of proportion..:D


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/redchalk.jpg

Rebeccak
02-17-2006, 12:17 AM
David,

Happy Anniversary! :beer: :bounce:

Man, you're good at these traditional drawings...I really wish you'd do more of them...:D...they're really great to see, and there's such a sense of depth to them. Glad to see you've found a new media favorite...:D...red chalk does have that old world appeal...really nice work! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-17-2006, 12:28 AM
I should have a stack of them tomorrow, because it ART-SUPPLY-DAY:bounce: and that usually puts me in the mood for traditional work.
oh well off to bed for me, have to get op early for GRAND-BIG-ART-SUPPLY-DAY:bounce: :scream: .

Rebeccak
02-17-2006, 03:12 AM
LMAO! :scream: ~it's good to see the funny come out in David Rene! :D :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
02-17-2006, 08:40 AM
ah, Calvin and Hobbes, how I miss that cartoon!


what does that mean - he stopped drawing? *shivers and shakes*

Corvax,

the traditional drawing is fantastic - simply beautiful and a joy to look at!

Corvax
02-18-2006, 08:46 PM
A pencil sketch..


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/pensel01.jpg

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 08:53 PM
David,

Have you ever tried oil pastel?

This piece makes me think of this piece by Degas ~ I have a feeling you'd do some fantastic work in pasel, if you retained your drawing quality throughout...it may be time for another ART SUPPLY DAY! :scream:

http://mulot.free.fr/art/07%20-%20Degas%20-%20baigneuse1.jpg
http://mulot.free.fr/art/07%20-%20Degas%20-%20baigneuse1.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-18-2006, 09:27 PM
Have you ever tried oil pastel?
IF I HAVE.. oh boy.. from age 6 to 13 I was ad a school that had a big emphfesis on acting, music and art (and if you think that sounds like something a couple of old hippies could have come up with, then you completely right :) ). On the first day of school each year we were given a tin box of pastels, and we manged to use them up before the year had past.. even thou I never got any good with the oil pastels, I did manage to get extraordinarily tired of them :sad: on rear auctions I still bring them out, (I did a still life in class some weeks ago), but their really not one of my favorite medias.

ohh just wondering is the next OFDW also gonna be a master copy?

and on a completely different node..

Hong Ly is hosting a character design competitions over ad his site, I don't know what the CgTalk policy is about promoting other sites but it might be of interest to its members.:shrug:

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 09:34 PM
David,

LMAO, I won't force you to bring out the tin box of pastels then...:scream:

With respect to the OFDW, we are going to do another master copy, are you interested in joining in? :) There will be two Bouguereau pieces to choose from...I am thinking, I don't want to abandon the Hong Ly photo collection, so if you would like me to include a selection of his photos also, I am happy to do that. :)

Feel free to post a thread about the Character Design competition...I read about that yesterday as well. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-18-2006, 09:54 PM
I am thinking, I don't want to abandon the Hong Ly photo collection, so if you would like me to include a selection of his photos also, I am happy to do that.

don't put in photos on my account, I was just thinking about warming up the good old "master copy muscle" before the OFDW ~ that is, if I can find my Rocky soundtrack in time... :D .

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 09:55 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha!!! Okay, warm up 'them muscles then, cause we're going to get jiggy with Bouguereau...:D W00t! :scream:

raptor|3D
02-18-2006, 10:00 PM
>>redchalk.jpg
>>pensel01.jpg

Very nice artworks, great to see these traditional drawings :thumbsup:.

Corvax
02-18-2006, 10:16 PM
raptor|3D

Thanks mate .. it very comforting to hear that someone likes my work... I'm scared senseless by the fact that I have to turn in a portfolio in April.. *shivers* :eek: :eek:

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 10:20 PM
David,

What is your portfolio for? I have no idea how old you are...are you going for an art degree or a job? Either way, best of luck! :thumbsup: Let us know how things turn out. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-18-2006, 10:41 PM
What is your portfolio for? I have no idea how old you are...are you going for an art degree or a job? Either way, best of luck! :thumbsup: Let us know how things turn out

hehe .. yeah I rarely come out reveal my age too soon :D , I've been meet with a lot of prejudices on behalf of it, but since you ask, I'm 18 and I've been studying some form of visual media for two years now and I'm now going after a bachelor in character animation or a bachelor in fine arts.

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 10:46 PM
David,

That's fantastic! You are incredibly talented for someone so young ~ do you encounter some jealousy because of it? :) I think you'll be an incredible artist down the line, especially given the beautiful work you are producing already. I would be jealous, were it not for the fact that I am 12. :scream: :bounce:

LMAO :D ~ let us know how your portfolio review goes. :) Will you submitting your portfolio digitally, or will you be printing your digital work out?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-19-2006, 12:06 AM
hmm.. not so much jealousy, or I don't know if that's at the root of some the episodes where my age worked against me, I think its more that people have a tendency to link your of level of commitment to your age, the older and more "experienced" you are the more serious you must be.. people tend to think that I'm not serious about what I do because of my young age or something, I don't know I just keep finding my self in situations where I feel I have to prove my commitment where others slide right through.

I know I sound bitter, I'm really not, its good practise... when or if I become a professional artist, I'm probably gonna have to prove my self to other people on a daily basis.. :)

Rebeccak
02-19-2006, 12:17 AM
hmm.. not so much jealousy, or I don't know if that's at the root of some the episodes where my age worked against me, I think its more that people have a tendency to link your of level of commitment to your age, the older and more "experienced" you are the more serious you must be.. people tend to think that I'm not serious about what I do because of my young age or something, I don't know I just keep finding my self in situations where I feel I have to prove my commitment where others slide right through.
Hmm, I remember as a kid, being really frustrated with the poor level of instruction available ~ it wasn't until late in high school that I found a great teacher who took me seriously and was able to give me good guidance regarding art. Up until that point, my frustration with not being able to advance my skills properly was pretty consuming. I think it's frustrating particularly when you are young ~ particularly back in the day, when there were no such things as forums, and you had to walk to school in the snow with no boots. :D

I think parents and peers can really underestimate how serious young people are about their particular pursuits ~ even with parents who were supportive of my artistic endeavours, as non~artists, I don't think even they understood how much I wanted better (more serious) instruction. Part of the purpose of this forum is to make decent resources available to anyone with an interest ~ no matter what age ~ and to take those interests seriously.

I know I sound bitter, I'm really not, its good practise... when or if I become a professional artist, I'm probably gonna have to prove my self to other people on a daily basis.. :)
Wise words. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-19-2006, 07:58 AM
Alright first master study today, its of a Michelangelo study for the ceiling of the Sistine chapel, I belief its called Ignudo but I'm not sure..

and well... hopefully I'll do better on the next one because this one is really really bad.. :sad:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/michelangelo01.jpg

Rebeccak
02-19-2006, 04:15 PM
David,

I disagree that this is 'bad', I only think that the interior shading should follow the form more ~ I personally find Michelangelo one of the hardest artists to copy, as to me his drawings just seem so completely perfect! :D Lots of power and grace in economical lines ~ he's a tough act to follow. :)

I think the cross~hatching on the right leg is fighting the contour you've nicely set up, and is breaking the sense of form achieved through line...on the left leg and parts of the upper left arm, the shading is nicely following the form and is working much better, but the contour begins to lose shape and momentum on the lower left arm. I think the thing to try to do when copying Michelangelo's work is to try to understand how he is breaking down and describing form ~ I think you've got a great sense of the form's buoyancy and weight, and just need that extra sense of lyricism as well. It would be great to see you do the full figure, though in my experience this requires quite a big sheet of paper :D though I've read somewhere that master artists actually worked quite small. I myself can't stand to work with charcoal on any less than an 18" x 36" sketchpad, and even that sometimes seems too small. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-19-2006, 06:05 PM
wauw thanks for the feedback Rebecca I really appreciate it :applause: . Im not sure I completely understood it all, its kinda hard when you cant point to area as you discuss it, but I think I get most of what you said :) .

hmm.. I actually find Michelangelo, because of his extreme precision, a little easier to copy then the sometimes more loos work of Raphael or Fra Bartolomeo where things don't always make as much sense..
now one of the things I struggled with in this drawing ~ besides the fact that I placed the figure kinda awkward in the frame ~ was trying to mimic Michelangelo's crosshatching that seems to be put down with an almost inhuman accuracy. I'm just gonna ask flat out with a risk of sounding stupid... Is the some secret or perhaps an ecsersise to improve ones crosshatching? I haven't done a whole lot of it since I've been working mostly in graphite or charcoal where to you can produce value shift by varrying the pressure you put down the media with.

Rebeccak
02-19-2006, 07:42 PM
David,

Forgive the watermark, but I had to take a screen cap off of my site as I don't recall where I've put the original image: :D

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Corvax/cross-hatching.jpg

While you may or may not be able to tell :D I believe this is a study from one of Michelangelo's drawings (I'd be hard~pressed to recall which) that was done with pen. I think one of the best ways to learn cross~hatching technique is by using pen and making every mark follow the form of the topology of the surface features of the body. I've done that with varying degrees of success here, but the purpose is really just to practice getting the feel of the form expressed through these overlapping lines, very few of which should be perfectly straight.

The key bit is to have the contour harmonize with the interior hatching so that the two types of descriptive lines / tones are not contradicting one another, but rather working to together to build form. The whole idea of Opposing Curves that I keep beating folks with a stick about :D is carried over to the nth degree in Michelangelo's work. The thing that drives me to distraction with respect to his Drawings is that down to the last line, there is energy and harmony with every other part of his Drawing. If you can tell me how he managed to do that with consistency, I will buy you a car. :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
02-21-2006, 08:59 PM
David,

Did a bit of a drawover to try to better demonstrate what I meant about cross~hatching following form ~ hope it helps. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Corvax/Corvax_R_01.jpg

I'm not showing cross~hatching so much as the contour on the right leg that you might try to theoretically follow...curves should sort of follow these imaginary lines like parallel vines along a trellis...sometimes diagramming things out this way helps to see where these cross~hatch lines should go. :)

Also, Michelangelo thinks in these sort of perfectly proportional increments...every little piece of the puzzle fits into the larger whole in an aesthetically pleasing way. Your eye won't go for a long period without encountering another form that interlocks with the previous. It makes is impossible not to stare at his drawings...:D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-25-2006, 12:36 PM
I've been busy busy busy all week, but now its the weekend and I've managed to wipe up some chalk drawings.

And thanks for the help Rebecca, I haven't been able to practise my crosshatching yet, but hopefully I'll get to it later today.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/indianer02.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/draperinger01.jpg

Cheers - David René.

raptor|3D
02-25-2006, 01:38 PM
wow, great work as usual...
You have nice style man, I like it a lot.

Good luck with assembling your portfolio and studies, looks like your portfolio will be quite mighty weapon of yours judging from this thread. Hope you drop us a link once finished.

Just keep adding these great artworks... :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
02-25-2006, 02:27 PM
David....Really like your charcoal technique...nice mood and feeling created...:thumbsup:
I think Michelanglo's crosshatchings are so relaxed and spontanious, because the anatomy
had become second nature to him, through a lifetime of studying it....If you study
Burne Hogarth's books and teachings, you will get closer to your goal...He told me one time
that he would spend days in the Sistine Chapel just studying Michelanglo's methods, until he
finally figured them out. and now all that he learned from Michelanglo is forever written down
and exspressd through the words and illustrations contained in his books.
Really enjoying your thread David....looking forward to seeing more...:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
02-25-2006, 03:58 PM
David,

You're welcome, and it's nice to see your new work! :) I think the thing that's happening with both of these images is that the lighting is a bit flat ~ you might try looking at Leonardo's studies of drapery for inspiration:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2005/53202-Study_for_Seated_Figure_UL.jpg

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/02/15/drapery3.jpg

http://cti.itc.virginia.edu/%7Epb4r/Leonardo/images/leousem042.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2005/53202-Study_for_Madonna_and_Child_UL.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-28-2006, 08:42 PM
yeah yeah.. I know its not really compelling as a design but it thought the rendering was quite nice.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/arrgh_small.jpg
I dont know if its just me but it looked kinda noisy when I down-rezed the image .. so i've uploaded a larger version here:
LARGE. (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/arrgh.jpg)

Rebeccak
02-28-2006, 08:50 PM
David,

Have you considered entering the Challenge?

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
02-28-2006, 09:10 PM
possibly .. I don't not know, I don't really fell my skill level is anywhere near being good enough to compete, but it might be fun just for the heck of it. :shrug:

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 05:28 PM
Are you kidding me??? :eek: Totally go for it! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
03-01-2006, 09:05 PM
Alright its done, I entered .. hope your happy now ..!! :rolleyes:

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 09:10 PM
Haaaaaa!!! I'm off to spam your thread! :bounce:

LMAO...:D

Corvax
03-11-2006, 10:20 PM
yeah yeah.. I know its not really figurative art, but I thought it would be silly to start a whole new thread in the wip forum that would just get lost, I thought it better to keep my artwork in one place :) ..

this painting reminds me of something, but I cant put my finger on what.. oh well.:shrug:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/envirementweb.jpg

ceresz
03-11-2006, 10:58 PM
You've got some great stuff here, keep it up! :thumbsup:

Corvax
03-11-2006, 11:05 PM
Skurai.

thanks mate .. you're not doing to bad yourself, those last speedys of yours are really cool. my speed paintings just tend to get muddy :shrug: maybe I should just stick to my more rendered pieces:D .

~David René.

ceresz
03-11-2006, 11:10 PM
No problem, just keep practicing :D

raptor|3D
03-11-2006, 11:34 PM
Very nice concept design! I like the mood and colors.

Corvax
03-11-2006, 11:42 PM
raptor ~ yeah the palette and the mood are also my favorite elements of that painting.. the perspective is a bit weak in my opinion. :)

Corvax
03-12-2006, 01:03 AM
just another one..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/envirement2web.jpg

Mu
03-12-2006, 01:41 AM
Hi David!

great environment - compelling like the beginning of a adventurous novel. I think you should post this and the one before in the evocative landscape/figure thread around here!

:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
03-12-2006, 02:47 PM
David,

These are looking good ~ the first one in particular seems to have a lot of possibilities for further exploration. :) One thing I would recommend is not to get caught up with speedpainting where the emphasis is more on speed than quality ~ you have the start of some great stuff here, but without further development, you could end up with a pile of fast sketches that never got developed...useful to a point, but I think taking a concept further and giving it more emotional impact and weight is more important ~ it's sort of something I notice on the forums, that people get addicted to speedpainting and overlook producing finished work ~ I'd personally prefer to see a 'good' painting than a 'speed' painting, though timing yourself (as in the 15 Minute Sketchathon and Speedpainting threads) is certainly useful, though not exclusively imo.

It's cool to see you trying new stuff, and I think you could do some lovely city / landscape / building scapes. :) I really like the color pallette of your first image in particular.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
03-12-2006, 04:16 PM
Hi ....David...:) ...

I was just thinking the same thing that Rebecca said, when I saw these posted in the
Evocative thread just now...was wishing that there was something really detailed in the
forground, to give the painting a center of interest, and to bring my eye back out of
the tunnel vision, and act in contrast with the rest of the painting, which I really like
by the way....nice lighting in both of them...
Might be great, if you put a figure like the one in ...frame # 128, into the forground somewhere
of the painting in frame # I34, AND PAINT IT IN GREAT DETAIL, but same style as the rest
of the painting...just a thought that went through my mind as I was enjoying your thread.

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Corvax
03-12-2006, 04:19 PM
Rebeccak

I see where your coming from, but I really see the speedpaintings as studies, a tool of exploration, not as something to replace detailed rendering, but a step on the ladder leading there. If you were to put in figure drawing terminology, they are kinda color gesturedrawings, thats also why I wont time my speedpaintings, the time it takes is irrelevant to me, but I will approach them with the mentality of establishing mood, color palette and the quick read of a shape, before detail.

I do agree that some people will then to focus on the speed rather then the painting. I don't mind sketchy paintings but the goal is the good painting not the fast.

I do a lot of thise speedpainting because, like doing gesture drawing, its nice to isolate an element (or a few) of a painting and focus on that without the pain of trying to combine all of them.

I don't think I know all the principals of visual art good enough to combine them all without getting a heartattack.:D
-- David René.

Rebeccak
03-12-2006, 04:43 PM
Ha, good points, David. :D

I don't think I know all the principals of visual art good enough to combine them all without getting a heartattack.:D
LOL, I don't know about that. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

erilaz
03-14-2006, 01:37 PM
Great atmosphere Corvax. Your speeds are brilliant.

Corvax
03-16-2006, 06:39 PM
Big red goes to town: :D

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/big_red.jpg

Rebeccak
03-17-2006, 12:37 AM
Haha, this reminds me a bit of some of Goro's cool pieces, both in terms of subject matter and color pallette ~ nice work, Dave! :)

I think it would be a nice touch to make some of the buildings more golden...check out the oil paintings of a former teacher of mine, here:

http://www.jcacciolagallery.com/Pages/Artists/Turner.html

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Fusioniz
03-17-2006, 12:49 PM
nice drawings on the first page corvax.

Corvax
03-17-2006, 01:49 PM
RebeccaK:

wauw those paintings are luminous, very interresting.:eek:

Fusioniz:

thanks mate :thumbsup: ..hmm... I thought I had nice drawings and paintings all the way trough the thread. :rolleyes: :D :D

Corvax
03-18-2006, 09:49 PM
Alrighty... back into figure painting.:applause:

This is another one from Hong Ly's photo sets, I'm still blocking in color, the head is a bit out of proportions and I'm still trying to figure out what to do with his right hand. ... :shrug:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/argh.jpg

Rebeccak
03-18-2006, 10:53 PM
W00t! :D Show 'em what you've got, David! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
03-18-2006, 11:24 PM
I'll do my best reb.. :Dhttp://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/argh2.jpg

Corvax
03-19-2006, 02:31 PM
fixed the length of the legs a bit, also he was kinda tipping over so I fixed his center of mass, I also just worked on the over all figure.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/argh3.jpg

Rebeccak
03-19-2006, 02:50 PM
David,

Would you mind posting the reference photo as well? That might help to make a good comparison. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
03-19-2006, 10:24 PM
sure thing Rebecca.. one update with reference coming up.. :)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/argh4.jpg

Rebeccak
03-19-2006, 10:40 PM
Looking pretty good so far, David. :) He just looks like he has about 12 toes. :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
03-19-2006, 10:51 PM
LOL... :D yeah I just throw something down there .. I have serious commitment problems when I paint, if I define something too soon I find myself to much of a chicken to go back, even thou I might know that its all wrong.. I'll clean the feet up, no worries there, its just abit too soon. :)

ceresz
03-20-2006, 07:29 AM
Looking good so far, keep it up!
~Skurai

Corvax
04-03-2006, 09:27 PM
This is so typical - I leave for a few weeks to work on my portfolio and BAM everything changes :rolleyes: .. seriously thou, the new arrangement of the forum is really nice :thumbsup: - even thou it totally messed up the Internet explore favorites i usually browse the forums with:D .

so a little bit of and update:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/argh5.jpg

tried to complete the forms alittle better on torso, I think i might have overdone the bounced light, so I will need to notch that back, also I cant seem to get the forms to read in the large cast shadow produced by the head - does anybody have any ideas on what to do there?:shrug:

-- David René.

Rebeccak
04-04-2006, 04:50 AM
Hey, David,

Good to see you back. :) With reference to the forms beneath the shadow cast by the head, my best advice would be to go back in with black and redraw the underlying forms, and worry less about the obscurring effects of the shadow. His right shoulder is looking extremely bulky, and I think you might slim that down quite a bit. :) Try lightening the Reference photo, you might get some more information that way. You might also try looking at sculptures from the net, and looking for Reference for shoulder areas. There are also, of course, other pictures of this model, though the angle will of course not be exactly the same.

Really happy to hear you like the new forum structure! I definitely do. :D I'm surprised that your bookmarks changed, however * for which links did that happen?

Cheers, :)

*Rebeccak

Corvax
04-08-2006, 10:31 AM
-Rebeccak

Its good to be back.:)

I'm sorry I have to ask this, but now it has to be cleared up :curious:- rumor has it that the forum changes originated only from a personal desire among forum moderators to have more sticky threads - and that the improved navigation and better arrangements are really sideeffects of a more sticky thread friendly layout.. I'm sure that this theory is just a product of sinister minds, but it is imperil that you clear this up, since its creating an awful stir among the masses.:D ;)

in regards to the bookmarks .. they haven't changed, its just that I now have to click one more time in order to get to a thread and that kinda annoyed me - I know I'm being ridiculously nit picky here.:D
it did'nt really take much effort to create new ones, so I'm not gonna rant about it anymore.

I'll be back with some artwork later .. hopefully .. if I can get my scanner working.:banghead:

- David René.

Corvax
04-09-2006, 12:40 AM
not really figurative..well there is a little dood fishing in there somewhere

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/landscape03.jpg

Rebeccak
04-09-2006, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by David: I'm sorry I have to ask this, but now it has to be cleared up :curious:- rumor has it that the forum changes originated only from a personal desire among forum moderators to have more sticky threads - and that the improved navigation and better arrangements are really sideeffects of a more sticky thread friendly layout.. I'm sure that this theory is just a product of sinister minds, but it is imperil that you clear this up, since its creating an awful stir among the masses.:D ;)
ROFL indeed it is a sticky thread conspiracy! :scream: Fan the flames of rumour! LOL. :D

Hey, that's a really nicely atmospheric piece! Reminds me a bit of The Dark Crystal (http://www.lauraknauth.com/MovieCollectibles/Marvel.html), which is definitely a good thing! :)

Well...hope you are enjoying the increased number of sticky threads! Soon I will be adding sub~forums, just to justify having more stickies. :D (Totally kidding, btw, lol). ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
04-12-2006, 12:05 AM
*sigh* - my stupid computer is acting up again :banghead:... even thou I love the digital medium, it would be create if I didn't have to deal with all the computer annoyance.. It got so out of hands today that I had to cheer myself up with another "Grand Big Fatastic Art Supply Day volume X" - whatever that is :)


here one of the drawings from today - that I managed to get scanned between crashes and error messages. :p
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/lama_skull.jpg


-- David René.

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 03:13 AM
LOL David, time to borrow the laptop again :p ~ or alternately, as you pointed out, shopping for art supplies can't hurt, either. :D

Very cool ~ my only suggestion would be to try to keep your shading a bit more consistent on the broader planes of the skull.

Here's hoping your computer is back on track soon. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
04-12-2006, 06:24 PM
I call this: "portrait of a man's who's computer giving him a hard time." ... *shivers* ... he looks pissed. :D

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/face01.jpg

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 06:39 PM
LOL David ~ :D ~ you look so much different from your avatar. :D

Corvax
04-12-2006, 07:13 PM
LOL David ~ :D ~ you look so much different from your avatar. :D

ROFLOL.. :applause:.. Did you honestly expect that I looked like Chewbacca …?

The likeness of that self portrait is actually pretty good … even thou I rarely look that serious.

-- David René.

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 07:18 PM
Heh, not Chewbacca so much as a beaver living in a house of sticks on the river :D :D :D ~ heh, I love that avatar, he looks so quizzical and affronted at the same time. :D

LOL :)

Corvax
04-12-2006, 08:26 PM
LOL... So I would be a talking beaver living on the bank of some river in a house of sticks.. well when you put it like that, it makes perfect sense..:curious:

dug around the HD and found the original:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/atavar_full.jpg

David René

Rebeccak
04-12-2006, 08:38 PM
David, that's awesome! I've saved this to my hd in case I need to smile ~ beats getting plastic surgery! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
04-16-2006, 10:20 PM
an attempt to color one of my drawings in photoshop .. Not done but getting there.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/lama_skull2.jpg

--David René.

SpiritDreamer
04-16-2006, 10:55 PM
Hi... David....Great job on that skull so far....your computer mus be up and running again...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Corvax
04-17-2006, 12:02 AM
Hi glen and thanks .. yeah its sort of working. but I had to sacrifice my scanner in the process:cry: , so there is not gonna be a whole lot of traditional work published in this thread for awhile.. :sad:

good thing is that I should have that ZBrush tutorial up some time tomorrow (yeah that's right I didn't forget about it). :)

See ya.

--David René.

SpiritDreamer
04-17-2006, 12:59 AM
Hey....David...LOL!!......Can't wait to see that tutorial....THANKS ...:thumbsup: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Corvax
04-17-2006, 02:58 AM
UPDATE..:scream:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/lama_skull3.jpg

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-17-2006, 04:56 AM
Oooooooh!!! Nice work, David! :thumbsup: Great to see that your computer is somewhat back in action, though I am sorry to hear that you had to sacrifice your scanner in the process ~ eh, one of these days computers will be problem free, David! One day! :D

All kidding and fantasies aside, this is a fantastic piece! Really lovely subtle contrast of warm and cool tones and the skull just has a great sense of presence.

Looking forward to more!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-19-2006, 06:06 AM
David,

I know you had mentioned being interested in a modeling / Anatomy Challenge ~ this idea Roberto just came up with:

Check out the following Challenge, just posted:

THE HARDCORE MODELING CHALLENGE #1: The David (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=347627)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=347627

Umm...they're not modeling you...:D ;)

Let me know if you participate! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
04-23-2006, 05:22 AM
A cute green creature..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/cute_monster.jpg

-- David René.

Rebeccak
04-23-2006, 05:30 AM
ROFL...you WILL have to come up with a name! :D :thumbsup:

Corvax
04-23-2006, 07:50 PM
A value portrait.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/bvportraitweb.jpg

--David René

Corvax
04-23-2006, 10:14 PM
lion..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/lionweb.jpg

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 04:03 AM
Very cool! I'd love to see the lion a bit more rendered...the left eye seems just a little wonky. :D Wonky being a technical term, of course. ;)

Corvax
04-24-2006, 02:24 PM
yeah I know .. I just cant find the motivation to render anything with fur .. it takes a bloody eternity.. but I actually think the lion is alright, it was just meant as quick sketch.

this one is actually part of an Illustration (its still a WIP).. Yes yes I know it looks like a drapery study and it is. but I'm not showing you all the elements because I don't wanna ruin the joke before its fully rendered... I just thought it was so nicely painted already, and I just could'nt wait to show it off.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/stof.jpg

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 02:29 PM
Wow, I agree that this is looking really beautiful! Glad you have no qualms about admitting that, lol :D ~ it's a joke?? Hmm...save this part as 'non~joke', it's great!

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Corvax
04-24-2006, 02:46 PM
who made the rule .. "AS AN ARTIST YOU MUST HATE EVERYTHING YOU CREATE"..?? it makes you wonder why anyone would want to do art at all..:rolleyes:

But hey ... its not finished, so theres still time to ruin it.

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 02:48 PM
LOL ~ I'd better post your WIP piece to the SPOTLIGHT thread then. :D Will wait to see if you come up with a final, though. *bites nails*

Cheers :)

Corvax
04-24-2006, 05:13 PM
ah .. yes It didn't really take me long to mess it up.. I'm not happy about what I've done to the lower part of it..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/stof2.jpg

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 05:16 PM
Hmm, too uniformly squiggly perhaps? I think the main focus is that central lower fold which is painted so nicely. You might want to knock back the detailing elsewhere so the focus remains on that central lower area of the fabric. Just a suggestion, though. :)

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 10:30 PM
Psst...look for a ZBrush Tutorial coming soon by 99Sproth! :D

Hyaloclastics
04-25-2006, 01:22 AM
Wow...amazing works!Thumbs up!

Rebeccak
04-25-2006, 10:54 PM
Psst! :D :deal:

3D Workshop: Digital Anatomy Sculpture 1! The human hand - With Simon Roth (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349973&page=1&pp=15)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349973&page=1&pp=15

Corvax
04-25-2006, 10:59 PM
Wauw the recent front page spotlight really seams to attract some new faces ... exciting times for the anatomy forum this are.:)

Polonoid: Thanks man.. appreciate it.:thumbsup:

phew there are just so many things I wanna participate in .. the Rembrandt study, the hardcore modeling workshop and anatomy hand-modeling workshop. I'm gonna be busy busy busy it seams .. :eek:

Alright and now for an update..

Starting to come together ... I think my issue was that I was losing the form in the detail. So I've mainly been working on that and trying to make a little more sense on the lower half of the cloth

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/stof3.jpg

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 12:05 AM
This is looking very cool ~ there's definitely a mood to it, are you sure you want to turn this into a joke piece? :)

I still think the three zigzaggy folds on the right are a bit too uniform, and take just a little bit away from the gracefulness of the central folds ~ but apart from that, this is looking really great!

Lol, I know what you mean ~ this place is hopping, which is great! It's nice that people are discovering each others' Anatomy Threads. :) And I'd like to be able to participate in everything, too. :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Corvax
04-26-2006, 12:43 AM
.. are you sure you want to turn this into a joke piece? :)

I'm gonna see how it works out, if it doesn't I'll still have a nice study.

I still think the three zigzaggy folds on the right are a bit too uniform

yeah.. I've been speculation about taking them away.. I thought they might look funny when I made them, but they just don't seem to fit now.

Lol, I know what you mean ~ this place is hopping, which is great! It's nice that people are discovering each others' Anatomy Threads. :) And I'd like to be able to participate in everything, too. :D


Yeah and and there is a huge pressure on me on after you featured me four times in the spotlight thread's image collage.. FOUR TIMES.. that's just as much as zhuzhu, and more then any other artist.. A nice gesture but totally undeserved.. I've got something to live up to there.

--David René

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Corvax: Yeah and and there is a huge pressure on me on after you featured me four times in the spotlight thread's image collage.. FOUR TIMES.. that's just as much as zhuzhu, and more then any other artist.. A nice gesture but totally undeserved.. I've got something to live up to there.
ROFLMAO! :D I never thought of it this way. :) In truth, I was so antsy to get the thread up and running, that I probably should have distributed the images more evenly ~ however, the collage was not originally labeled with artists' names (as it should have been) and I really was thinking less of equal represenation than pictures that looked nice next to each other :D ~ plus, there is simply no way to represent in one collage all the deserving work from the past year ~ hence, the Spotlight Forum. ;) I trusted to people figuring out that the thread was more than about those 30 thumbnails, and they definitely have...it's great to see everyone's work receive so much attention. :)

But yeah, now you must be the Golden Boy. I will be checking in. :p

Cheers, :scream:
~Rk

Corvax
04-26-2006, 01:31 AM
But yeah, now you must be the Golden Boy

I should have brought you around with me for my portfolio reviews .. maybe they would have been mere positive had I brought my very own personal cheerleader :) :D ..

no seriously .. I didn't put much into it .. I just went from being totally ecstatic about just having an image in the collage, to being kinda embarrassed to have such a body of work right next to artist like arctis and nebezial..:D I'm praying that no one finds their way to thread and realise how bad I really am :) :D

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 02:27 AM
You had portfolio reviews? For college admission? How did it go? :)

Corvax
04-26-2006, 02:53 AM
Aah .. not to well. :D

the first place was looking for something different then what I do, more loss gestural work as oppose to my more static rendered stile.. that was kinda understandable.

and the second place didn't get the whole digital artwork thing .. they thought it was photo manipulation, I tried to explain it to them but I don't think they bought into it.. so they discarded all my digital work, and all I had left was a few drawings and sketches - no where near sufficient.

so all in all a very disappointing experience. :shrug:

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 03:04 AM
Wow.

That is really disappointing that they couldn't see your work for what it is. What kind of work did they want to see? Only traditional? How did you present your digital work ~ prints?

Unfortunately, in some ways it is not totally surprising. Schools are institutions, and lots of institutions are a bit stuck in the mud. What are your options in terms of schools? Surely these people can see you have talent...you'd have to be blind not to see that. :) And at any rate, how much good will a school do you if they are always telling you that what you are doing is wrong? Some art schools still think Abstract Expressionism is 'modern'. :D

It still surprises me that they wouldn't be impressed with your traditional work. It's really strong, they'd have to be a bit thick not to see that. :surprised

In some ways I wonder if it's not the manner of presentation...for example, if you were to create a CGPortfolio and upload a bunch of work to that and presented that to a school (if possible) in a way, these people might have a more open mind. I think it's a matter of expectation ~ schools are used to seeing big bulky portfolios with traditional drawings and paintings. If you present your work digitally, on the other hand, they may just think it's acrylic. :D

I'm very sorry to hear about this experience...what are your thoughts?

Corvax
04-26-2006, 04:00 AM
Actually one of the biggest problems I've had - and I think that's also the reason why my portfolio flupt - is that I don't seem to fit in anywhere - yeah and I know that sounds really stupid and bohemian but, the term "production artist" just does not exist in the Danish vocabulary.. we basically have two visual creative educations in Denmark - an animation program, where even thou I do have a passion for the figure, my style is much to slow and calculated, having focused on form, light and color... more illustration oriented.
and then there is the fine arts program .. and well I'm not "artsy"/wild enough . -does that make any sense..
the art schools here haven't really impressed me ether and I don't think I would change my style or give up the digital medium just to get accepted into one.

I really don't have any grate desire to go to an art school, I've always been teaching myself at everything I do.. and in most areas I've been quite successful.. I just miss the envirement really, I just feel kinda stuck right now and feel that I would grow faster with just a bit of guidance - there just doesn't seem to be any proper around.

I'm not really bombed out about not getting accepted.. more curios as to what I'm gonna do next.

I don't know if this makes any sense at all .. hope it does.

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 04:44 AM
Actually one of the biggest problems I've had - and I think that's also the reason why my portfolio flupt - is that I don't seem to fit in anywhere - yeah and I know that sounds really stupid and bohemian but, the term "production artist" just does not exist in the Danish vocabulary.. we basically have two visual creative educations in Denmark - an animation program, where even thou I do have a passion for the figure, my style is much to slow and calculated, having focused on form, light and color... more illustration oriented.
and then there is the fine arts program .. and well I'm not "artsy"/wild enough . -does that make any sense..
David, I completely know what you mean, I am definitely an odd duck myself. :) I am definitely not a production artist (from an illustrator's standpoint) and I'm also not 'conceptual' enough to be considered a fine artist, which is not what I'd want anyway. Personally the only reason I studied illustration was to acquire drawing and painting skills, not to become an illustrator...nothing wrong with Illustration, I have a huge love for it, but I would not consider myself an illustrator at all. I've learned not to be concerned about it, but in your case it's a bigger decision right now as to whether you want to try to pursue art perhaps outside of Denmark (I'm not suggesting that you should) or keep art as your passion and learn on your own while studying something else.

I guess the personal question for you is what it is that you would like to study...at least here, no one knows that for sure when they're you're age. :D

the art schools here haven't really impressed me ether and I don't think I would change my style or give up the digital medium just to get accepted into one.
No, you'd likely be bored. It might waste your time and energy, and you don't want that.

I really don't have any grate desire to go to an art school, I've always been teaching myself at everything I do.. and in most areas I've been quite successful.. I just miss the envirement really, I just feel kinda stuck right now and feel that I would grow faster with just a bit of guidance - there just doesn't seem to be any proper around.
I truly understand about wanting a better, more challenging environment, and I guess the only way for you to find that would have to be outside of your home city or country ~ I don't know how feasible or desirable this is for you, that of course is a personal choice. There are definitely pros and cons to moving far away from home. Those would have to be weighed pretty carefully I would think.

I'm not really bombed out about not getting accepted.. more curios as to what I'm gonna do next.
Me too. :D Definitely let us know what you decide. :)

I don't know if this makes any sense at all .. hope it does.
Yep, makes perfect sense. :) Whatever happens in terms of school, you'll probably always have a big connection to art. The best case scenario I guess would be if you could go to a University and study something else perhaps and then take art classes on the side...perhaps those not offered by the University but somewhere else nearby. Are there artist studios or ateliers nearby? Artrenewal.org lists ateliers, I think internationally, though I am not sure:

http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/atelier_list.asp

You might check that out or just go online to find an atelier that offers classes. These would be more up your alley in terms of drawing / painting, and the digital stuff you could do on your own.

There are certainly ateliers in France and Italy, and I would imagine all around Europe. Heck, you live in the region where Western art had it's heyday, there must be some good art programs around! I think schools are mainly conceptual, but ateliers focus on drawing / painting. Frankly I don't think schools really have digital painting programs, they're still Illustration oriented, and the introduction of digital = graphic design.

These are just some suggestions...hopefully some are helpful. What are your parent/s' thoughts on the matter?

EDIT:

Traditional atelier~wise, the two ateliers that come to mind are:

Angel Academy of Art, Florence (http://www.angelartschool.com/)
http://www.angelartschool.com/

Studio Escalier, France (http://www.studioescalier.com/image/residency2006.html)
http://www.studioescalier.com/image/residency2006.html

I really don't think they teach digital painting much, even here in the US. Not sure about that, but I'm pretty sure digital art equates to animation / product design / graphic design etc. I know my alma mater, Art Center, has a bit of an Entertainment Design program now, but I would not recommend going there straight out of high school, and it's also enormously expensive for international students.

Cheers,

~Rk

Corvax
04-26-2006, 12:11 PM
so lots of talk lately ..not enough painting.:)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/stof4.jpg

--David René.

Corvax
04-26-2006, 07:59 PM
The Rembrandt Evolution

1 h 15 min.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem75min.jpg
45 min.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem45min.jpg
15 min.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem15min.jpg
5 min.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem5min.jpg

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 01:55 AM
Hey, David,

It's good to see you in the OFDWs again. :) Looking forward to seeing how this one develops.

The drapery has a sort of anthropomorphic quality to it ~ it seems to have a life of it's own. No hints as to the 'joke'? :D

Corvax
04-29-2006, 03:52 PM
well no.. the joke has not been added in there yet.. I'm struggling with the composition of a second element, Ill post a update when I have something that could work. probably not soon becouse, I need to get cracking on the modelling workshop - I did request it, so it would be a shame not to participate right :D.

heh.. here is something funny.... I made this quite a while ago, and well It became pretty clear that I was not going to be a sculpturer :D :sad: ... and judging from the images here apparently not a photographer either.:D

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/torso_sculpt.jpg

--David René.

Rebeccak
04-29-2006, 05:28 PM
Hehe, those are cool, David :D ~ I'm sure that if you worked at it, you could turn out some really cool sculptural pieces. :) Well, you could always make this into a nice paperweight :D ~ personally I'd like to try my hand at a little sculpture. If I do, I'll post some pics so you can laugh. :D

Corvax
05-05-2006, 11:45 PM
Here is a portrait painting during a class presentation on how to use photoshop as a painting device. It took about 30 min. and I'm quite pleased with the result, given the fact that it was really really difficult to answer questions and comment on what I was doing while painting at the same time.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/class_portrait-web.jpg

--David rené.

Rebeccak
05-05-2006, 11:50 PM
Hey, that's very cool to see that you've given a demo! :) I hope you were able to show some examples of your work ~ I'm sure your audience would've been very impressed! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-06-2006, 12:28 AM
Yeah it was tons of fun doing the demo, :) I had already showcased some of my digital work to the class - that was really the reason I was asked to do the demo.
It was really cool afterwards, there had been a bit of a strange attitude towards my work, it was considered less impressive becouse, as they said, I had used a computer to "help" me paint :p . but that attitude was completely gone after actually seeing me produce something in photoshop.

It was a nice uplifting experience after the whole portfolio review thing, where they also had prejudices towards digital artwork.
being able to change somebodies opinion about my art through the demonstration was extraordinarily pleasing.:)

-David René.

Rebeccak
05-06-2006, 12:34 AM
David,

That's awesome, and total vindication for you! It's almost too bad the portfolio reviewers weren't there to see you in action ~ it would certainly prove them wrong. :)

I'm really happy for you, and am glad to know that people can have open minds. Maybe you can give digital painting classes through a school somewhere. :)

Congratulations, David!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

razz
05-06-2006, 10:16 AM
You're fast. I'm talking about the Rembrandt study. It would take me HOURS to make it look similar, but yeah, I'm slow. Beautiful speedpaint that you've painted as a demo. And I really love how you've painted drappery, look sooo nice. I'd be happy to see more.

Rebeccak
05-09-2006, 01:13 AM
David,

Have you heard of this place?

http://www.animwork.dk/

http://www.animwork.dk/Default.asp?ID=284

http://www.animwork.dk/Default.asp?ID=7

http://www.animwork.dk/Default.asp?ID=6

http://www.animwork.dk/Default.asp?ID=257

http://www.animwork.dk/Default.asp?ID=261

Looks like they have a focus on animation and traditional art skills.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-09-2006, 07:39 AM
razz: thanks mate.

RebeccaK: yep.. they didn't feel my basic drawing skills were good enough.

Rebeccak
05-09-2006, 07:43 AM
Gah!!! That's so crazy. Ok, sorry to have done that to you then. The stuff you're doing NOW is on par with what they're showing off on their webpage *shakes head*.

Sorry, mate. Honestly, I feel like writing them on your behalf. If you want me to, I will.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-09-2006, 08:14 AM
Sure.. that would be awesome:) , I don't really think they're gonna change their minds but I'll take whatever recommendations I can.:)

I was gonna call them today to get some more critic on my portfolio - I think that just saying that my drawing skill weren't good enough was a bit to vaig a reply - if you gonna wright to them, I'm gonna stall my call for a while.

also if you fell like writing to them, you'll need to refer to me using my sir name, Christensen .. so that's David René Christensen.

please don't fell that your committed to writing to them.. if you want to, Id appreciate it, If not that's totally cool too.:thumbsup:

-David René.

Rebeccak
05-09-2006, 08:44 AM
David,

I'm happy to write to them.

Please post here the full names and titles (if you know them) of the people with whom you spoke, and also the school and email addresses with which they are affiliated.

I know you spoke with different schools, so please provide the information by school. I'll pm after you've provided this information ~ I'm definitely happy to help if I can. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-09-2006, 10:03 AM
RebeccaK:
I've PM'ed you names and contact information.
I thought it best, so not to expose names and email address to the general public without their premission.

David René.

Mu
05-09-2006, 11:57 AM
they didn't feel my basic drawing skills were good enough.



Wow.

What kind of place is that?
I'd suggest a few slogans for this approach:

"Where the masters learn?"
"Snobs teach geniuses"
"teaching drawing to those who can draw"


He David,

I have been admiring your work from the very first steps I took here at CGTalk. Don't let them get you down. Keep on inspiring others!

:)

Rebeccak
05-09-2006, 05:08 PM
David,

Thank you, I received your pm. :) That was a good idea, definitely don't want to give out peoples' email addresses to just anyone.

I will work on that today and tomorrow and get that out soon. Of course I can't make any guarantees, but I certainly feel that your work is worth defending.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-09-2006, 09:31 PM
lol Mu .. Well I don't think I would call myself a master nor would I say that I can actually draw.. but a genius... sure why not.:D

seriously thou - I'm not that easy to dumb down, ther will always be people telling you that you're doing it wrong that their approach is better, and that you need to do things their way in order to get better (heck I've even done that myself sometimes):) ... and I'll listen to them - I wont necessarily apply what they are telling me, but I'll gladly listen to what they have to say...

the school was looking for something other then what I am, looking for something that doesn't feel right to me... that does not make me a bad artist it just makes me a different kind, I came to that conclusion along time ago.:shrug:

anyway thank for the kind words..:thumbsup:


David René.

Rebeccak
05-10-2006, 07:11 AM
David,

Can you afford a CGSociety membership?

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-10-2006, 09:19 AM
RebeccaK
Well it would mean I'll have to give up drinking this weekend :sad: :D .. but yeah I'm sure I would be able to afford it...
why again is that relevant?

Rebeccak
05-10-2006, 09:46 AM
Because then Guido won't come get you. :)

DigitalSol
05-10-2006, 03:58 PM
Hey David, great work on your thread, I specially like your traditional paintings and draws. :applause:

Recently, something similar happened to me, I went to a work's interview, and the guy who made it, tell me that Im not enough skilled to work with them, I saw their work and it is not very good, I mean some times that things happend for the fear that u overpass them, I just can tell u, keep working, you have some awesome work. I dont see the reason about why they decide it, but surelly it wasn't for you talent.

My 2 cents.

Cyanid
05-10-2006, 04:01 PM
nice sketchbook here, keep posting images please. great job on the rembrandt study

:thumbsup:

Corvax
05-10-2006, 11:32 PM
DigitalSol: Yeah.. maybe your right - :)

unfortunately what you described happens more often then one would think. I remember a teacher of mine told me that he had been instructed, by the school board, not to cheer students on in anyway or tell them when they made something of actual value, their argument was that they were afraid the students might get arrogant.. :p
If you ask me, they were really afraid that if people thought they had potential, that they would leave earlier and seek more challenging experiences, and that the school would lose money as a result.
the school had a bad product and the only way to sell it was to make people think they were stupider then they really were.

*sigh* .. Oh what sad individual that exists in this world.

Cyanid: eh thanks.. your own Rembrandt is coming along great .. its gonna be interesting to see where you can take it.:thumbsup:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rainyday-web.jpg

hmm I kinda had and image by John Singer Sargent I'm mind when I sketched this out.. we'll see how it develops...:)

-David René.

Corvax
05-11-2006, 01:01 AM
the beginning of a Zbrush head..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/ZBrush-head.jpg

-David René.

Corvax
05-11-2006, 10:06 PM
wax pencil sketch.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/creature01_lineart-web.jpg

--David René.

DigitalSol
05-11-2006, 10:24 PM
Just amazing, this last one is really outstanding. :applause:

Corvax
05-11-2006, 10:45 PM
thanks.. appreciate it :)

Corvax
05-13-2006, 05:48 PM
say cheese!!

Speed paintin 45 min..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/smile_speedpaint-web.jpg

--David René.:)

demented
05-13-2006, 06:25 PM
Wow

love the last speedpaint, as well as the wax pencil one. The Z-brush looks frightningly fantastic, but unfortunately i don't know much about z-brush so I cannot truly truly appreciate it - still looks great. Really inspiring stuff - thanx for sharing man.

keep inspiring!

- d.

razz
05-13-2006, 07:52 PM
Well that's a smile! :D The last speedpaint looks, how to say...freaking awesome! It has its own charm, haha! I like the zbrush head a lot. You'll continue doing it, right? I want to see that!

SpiritDreamer
05-13-2006, 10:03 PM
HEY....David.....:thumbsup:

ALL of your work is really looking good...I think that demo you did came out GREAT
Like that...LOOK MOM...NO CAVITIES smile that you just finished..a lot....:scream:
Oh and thanks for the tip on sub devide...will try that out shortly.......:thumbsup:
Hope those schools over your way get into this century pretty soon...:)
HANG IN THERE:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
05-14-2006, 07:04 PM
Hi David,

Still not home quite yet, but it's great to see your CGPortfolio up and running! :thumbsup: You should definitely put your best pieces in, you have much more work than the two pieces up currently. You might try putting your best traditional pieces first, and then your amazing digital work. :)

Can't wait to see your finished portfolio! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-14-2006, 09:24 PM
demented: heh.. no need to thank me the critic that I've been given here in CGtalk is of far greater value then whatever anybody might get out of my random scribblings.. So I am the one who says thanks :).

Spirit Dreamer and razz: thanks guys..!!:)

RebeccaK: Yeah the portfolio is far from finished... it has been taking a lot longer then I expected.. and things has just been crazy around the house lately, my brothers confirmation was today - the guest has just left right before I booted up my computer to check the forums, so if the spellings off, its because I might be a little bit tipsy still :beer: :D - so everything has been in an uproar over the last couple of days ... I'll have the portfolio done by Monday.

I'll see all of guys tomorrow - where I'll hopefully be a little more clear minded..:D

--David René.

CgIcecube
05-15-2006, 01:46 PM
Hi Corvax:) The Drapery studies that you have done are very inspiring...
I also find it very good in your portfolio:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 06:40 PM
Hi David,

LOL, just let me know when your Portfolio is done. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-15-2006, 08:20 PM
CgIcecube: thanks and remember to check back on the portfolio regally.. I'll try to keep it up to date as much as I can.

RebeccaK: heh yeah and to top that I had a written exam today.. You get some strange looks when show up, with blood shed eyes and reeking of booze.:D

I'm a bit in a limbo as to what else to put in the portfolio, besides whats there now and the OFDW works .. do you have any preferences among my earlier work. :shrug:

--David René.

Corvax
05-15-2006, 10:39 PM
phew.. that's a lot of stuff.. are you sure about all of it, it not all of great quality.

anyway I guess I know what I'll be doing to night .. best brew some coffee.

--David René.

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 10:42 PM
David,

Heh, you should be the judge of your best work. I'll agree, not all of it should go in, but I just didn't want you to forget several of those pieces ~ before, you didn't have any of your OFDW work up, heh. :)

One thing I would recommend is capitalizing References (vs. references) where you mention it in the caption text of your images.

But you're right ~ put in your best work only, at your discretion. I only pulled up a lot of stuff to see what else you might have to put in, and it turns out to be a lot to choose from. :)

Corvax
05-15-2006, 10:57 PM
Well the thing is that, it takes me a lot of time to resize, create thumbnails, upload, wright text for the images and not to mention the images that are drawn from photo ref, I have to researge where it reference came from.

there are also images -like the lion- that was just painted from random stuff I found online .. and I'm not sure how the legal rights are with them.. (not really worried about the stuff from Hong Ly, I'm sure that he wouldn't mind).

its just a lot easier for me to select what goes in and what stays out before I start optimizing images.

I think I have about ten/twelve more images or so I wanna put up.

--David René.

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 11:03 PM
No probs. I totally understand. It took me forever to put together mine. :D

Corvax
05-19-2006, 10:55 PM
just playing around around.. :)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/girl_value.jpg

Rebeccak
05-20-2006, 01:00 AM
Hiya David,

Nice to see new work! BTW, if you would like, I am happy to delete my previous posts containing examples of work you've already posted here ~ or I can leave them up, up to you. :)

I've not heard anything, but will definitely let you know when (and if) I do. :)

I'm really liking this new piece, particularly the face ~ the shoulder axis seems off, with her left shoulder cut off / low ~ though that's still at the roughing in stage.

Hope to see an update on this one!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax
05-20-2006, 09:37 PM
Rebeccak:

yeah that would be super nice, if you would take those away. :)
______

another portrait.. :shrug:


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/portrait_red.jpg

-David René.

Rist
05-20-2006, 10:28 PM
Fantastic latest work, I havent seen a 10th os the topic yet, will take me some time I think :shrug:

Rebeccak
05-20-2006, 11:54 PM
David,

No prob, posts deleted. :)

With this latest portrait, one thing I've noticed you do consistently is to make the neck particularly long and thick when you are working from imagination. The neck here is as long as the head and nearly as thick ~ particularly on a woman, this looks incorrect. Also her head is a bit flattish at the top and her eyes are too high up in the face ~ try making any head so that the eyes start roughly in the middle of the face (not the upper third).

Here's a paintover ~ the end result came out looking differently from the original person, but I think shows more accurate facial / head proportions:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Corvax/Corvax_R_02.gif


Cheers,

~Rebeccak 2.0