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raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 01:20 AM
Hi ...
OK, Iīm starting my anatomy thread.
C & C welcome.

If anyone is interested I show some previous drawings and sketches I have done before below. I have more e. g. life drawings but these were too large to be scanned.
I have been drawing from 2004, but unfortunatelly not too often because of time consuming high school (that had nothing to do with art), now I have relatively a lot of time so I can improve faster. At least I hope so :D .
I also want to add traditional paintings, clay models and 3D digital models to this thread in future. We will see when :D.

CBee
10-29-2005, 02:14 AM
Pretty good stuff you've got in there. :thumbsup:

You probably should insert the pictures (the yellow square thingy in the post toolbar) instead of just using links so people can see them easier. You could also give them titles or at least easier names so people can comment on specific pieces.

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 03:22 AM
raptor|3D,

Great! I am really thrilled to see you start your own Anatomy thread, no doubt spurred, I suspect, by your friend Slux's excellent efforts on the forum! I am glad you've posted all of this work, which is great to see ~ you have some really beautiful pieces, and I am happy to see your Skulls from the Anatomy Review 003 amongst them! :)

I agree with CBee, if you could edit your post and copy the URLs into the little yellow/gray icon with the mountain and the sun, we will be able to see your pictures without having to click on links.

Great to see your work here, and I look forward to seeing the progress you make on your thread! :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 09:51 AM
CBee, Rebecca: thanks!


2004
one of my first drawings (when I started to draw seriously)
reference: photos

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/N.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/snake_resampled.jpg




2004
first life drawings:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/bird_of_prey_resampled.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/life_model_drawing_resampled.jpg

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 10:02 AM
2004
reference: anatomy books / photos (mainly book Anatomy for the artist)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/skeleton_resampled.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/man-back_resampled.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/steve_fisher_resampled.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/coelophysis_resampled.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/smeagol_small.jpg

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 10:10 AM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/body_small.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/BODY02.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/head_2004.jpg

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 10:27 AM
2005
reference: Anatomy for the artist:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/skull_front.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/skull_top.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/skull_bottom.jpg





2005 (most recent work)
reference: paleontological book

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/Nerudaspis_aliena_16-09-2005_resamp.jpg





reference: real fossils (quite small)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/trilobite_from_real01_15_09_2005.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/trilobite_from_real02_13_09_2005.jpg

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 04:03 PM
raptor|3D,

Thanks! Much easier to see your work this way! :) What are you planning to draw next? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 04:24 PM
yeah, you are right ... :)

I think Iīm gonna try to draw some quick sketch, probably from Anatomy for the artist again. I also have to shade the drawing of zhuzhu soon :).

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 04:26 PM
raptor|3D,

Sounds great! Looking forward to seeing your sketches and additional OFDW work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-29-2005, 04:42 PM
Hi men
I have just noticed you have your own thread :) hehe thats great I have been wating when you will create your own.
Hmmm nice stuff you have here :thumbsup: well I have already seen most of this but some are new.
I wish you good luck with your drawing/painting/sculpting ... and don't forget practise practise and you guess practise :scream: ok now I have to repeat it to myself few times lol ...

- Slux

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 05:22 PM
Thanks a lot man!

Well, I think you have started great progress and even inspired some people here, which is great.
Yeah, I need more practice, who doesnīt, right? :) It will be hard work but also fun.

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 09:10 PM
reference: Anatomy for the artist
It was supposed to be qiuck sketch at first but it turned into 3,5 h rendering. :shrug:


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/29-10-05_4h.jpg

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 09:20 PM
raptor|3D,

Wow, what a beautiful piece! :thumbsup: The hair looks fantastic, your proportions are good, and the shading is delicate and really lovely! :)

Great stuff! Your thread has started out on a really good footing! Definitely looking forward to more. :)

I'm curious, are you and Slux friends in real life, or did you meet only through the internet? :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

Slux
10-29-2005, 09:51 PM
to Rebbeca:
Heh hmm no actually we have never met in real life we are icq friends lol :) but we are planing to meet soon (may be?) dunno it depends on Raptor becase he plans to visit me :).

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 09:54 PM
Awesome! :) I think that's so cool ~ I hope you guys do get a chance to meet up ~ I think it's fanstastic you're encouraging one another to do some really great work on this forum! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
10-29-2005, 09:54 PM
That is good, Raptor. I think that deserves double thumbs up, heh. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

raptor|3D
10-29-2005, 10:10 PM
Rebecca, CBee: Thank you! Iīm really glad you like it. It motivates me to draw more.

raptor|3D
10-30-2005, 03:33 PM
Just an experiment with "Gioconda" pencils and quick shading. I donīt know, I like smooth shading rather than a rough one. This was just an experiment in order to sketch fast. Iīll do blured one with charcoal pencil next time.


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/30-10-05_1h.jpg

pushav
10-30-2005, 03:34 PM
Nice shadings :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 03:55 PM
raptor|3D,

Very nice work indeed! :thumbsup: I rather like this rough shading, though understand that you prefer more smooth shading. I think you do both rather well. :)

I thought I'd just point out that you've done a really nice job with the arm area ~ your linework is really good, and I think if you pushed the contrast between thick / thin lines for the contouring of the arms, your future pieces will be even nicer! I did just a quick demo not so much to show you something you appear to know intuitively already, but just to sort of reinforce that you can really get a lot out of the simple varying of thick vs. thin lines.

Great work, nice to see new work so quickly! :)


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Raptor%203/line-weight.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
10-30-2005, 04:27 PM
Pusha V: thx

Rebecca: Thank you very much for your advice and your microtutorilal :)! It looks very, very nice this way. I would say as for the linework in general I have to get better especially at it, I remember your advice about loose lines.:)
I think Iīll try to practice some "linework only" from time to time.

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 04:33 PM
raptor|3D,

You're quite welcome! I think as long as you have the motivation and drive, you will be able to do some really beautiful work ~ already, your work is really, really nice, and I have a feeling that with time, practice, and drive, you will be producing, along with Slux, some really fantastic pieces! :thumbsup: Looking forward to watching your progress. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-30-2005, 06:18 PM
Hi Raptor
That doesn't look bad :) btw If you want to achive smooth shading fast than you can shade it roughly and than blend it ... with fingers, paper smearingi sticks or I prefer brushes :) It works great and its fast ... well you can find more informations in my little tutorial but I guess you have already seen it ... thats just a little tip ... you can try it even with this piece.

Hmm I would like to draw something too but right now I'am too busy damned web design :) but anyway it has to be done.

- Slux

raptor|3D
10-30-2005, 07:10 PM
Hi Slux,
good luck with your webdesign.

Yeah, I want to use blending/bluring in the case of charcoal. I donīt blend/blur/smear (excuse my english here - I donīt know which word is more exact :), maybe Rebecca will tell me) when I draw with normal pencil. I was told at the art course that bluring the pencil is not so good, that itīs not "artistic". I donīt know, however I must say that I like when normal pencil is not blured but shading is smooth at the same time. But in the case of the charcoal (or charcoal pencil) itīs another situation and bluring is common technique and I like it rather than rough shading. I also like bluring/smearing at some occasions very much - like when Carlos Hunate washed out prismacolor pencil (alcohol and eraser technique) on his creature concept design on his Gnomon DVD (it was really cool).
btw: I would love to try airbrush because you can have really great results when you master this medium, but I donīt know, itīs too expensive and unhelathy/dangerous.
So, Iīll take the chance and ask Rebecca what is her opinion about that whole thing (bluring/blending pencil vs. normal shading etc.). :D

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 07:23 PM
raptor|3D,

Hey there, I don't really think there is anything 'wrong' with any particular way of drawing / painting. :) Particularly when you are starting out / actively developing your skills, I think it's important to experiment with different types of media and to test out different ways of manipulating them. I had a course once in college which was really helpful to me, where we were completely unrestricted in terms of the drawing materials we could use / and how we could mix them ~ it was a very useful class, in that it allowed you to see beyond the medium and just draw in any which way you wanted. I know that that's not really your question, but I do think it's fine to blend / smudge / smear / blur (whatever you wish to call it) ;) in any which way you want / or don't want to do. There's never really anything 'wrong' with how you use tools ~ you just have to try things out to see what works best in the long run for you. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
10-30-2005, 08:03 PM
Iīve hoped for nothing less. :applause:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/blured.jpg

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 08:10 PM
ROFL...what's this? :scream:

raptor|3D
10-30-2005, 08:21 PM
really great result, isnīt it? :thumbsup:

I was just kidding :scream:, you are absolutely right.

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 08:22 PM
It's...fantastic! :scream: :thumbsup: 5 starts + frontpage! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

CBee
10-30-2005, 08:24 PM
Time for all of us to run off and smudge with our pencils. :twisted:

Slux
10-30-2005, 10:49 PM
Hi Slux,
I was told at the art course that bluring the pencil is not so good, that itīs not "artistic". I donīt know, however I must say that I like when normal pencil is not blured but shading is smooth at the same time.

Well I wouldn't really care if someone doesn't think its artistic ... who decides that anyway and there is so many opposite opinions what IS and whats NOT artistic and what a REAL artist should and shouldn't do.
Like that a real artist should be poor hmmm but it was popular some time ago for some reason its not popular nowadays :scream: and also my favourite that if computer is anyhow involved its of course not art anymore ...
Well imho its all nonsense just do what you like and what works for you best... I personally don't call myself artist anyway :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 10:53 PM
Slux,

I agree with you, I think all of this talk about what "is" and "is not" art is just a bunch of yadda yadda yadda gibberish which I choose not to pay attention to. Art talk makes me a bit nauseous, and I've long since stopped reading "Art" journals / magazines and the like...the writing makes me quite ill. My feeling on the topic is, who the heck cares what someone else thinks is or isn't art? Most likely that person is not creating art themselves, and just likes to talk about it. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
10-31-2005, 01:34 AM
Let’s not forget that some of the most famous artists today were actually derided and attacked at some point in history because their work was not considered good art or "fashionable". Guys like Rembrandt. Kind of insane when you think about it.

raptor|3D
10-31-2005, 09:21 AM
I agree.

Well imho its all nonsense just do what you like and what works for you best...

Dont worry, thatīs what I do :). I just noted what I was told at the art course. I donīt say thatīs true and therefore I donīt use smudging anymore. But I just donīt like smudging normal pencil, I think it doesnīt look good - thatīs my honest opinion.
I also discover new ways of working and I am open to new techniques, so my techniques can change.

Well, these discussions about "art" always goes without end. I think itīs a matter of opinion, itīs a matter of how the person view art.

Rebeccak
10-31-2005, 11:08 AM
I quite like the smudging work which Slux has done in his pieces. If he didn't mention that he had smudged them, I would not have noticed. :) I think it depends entirely on the skill of the artist as to what does or does not look good. Materials don't come with instructions because there is no right way to use them. :)

And, I also agree that art talk has no end. ;)

Cheers!

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
10-31-2005, 07:04 PM
OK. I would say shading the piece without smudging is more difficult and also challenging and the result pays off - at least for me. I think when you want to master drawing like old masters, you should learn "regular" shading technique first and then do whatever. I would say that this is especially better for beginner to shade "regular way" and when you can do it well, you can smudge. But itīs everybodyīs choice. This is just my point of view.

OK, hereīs my linework , not so good, I have to practice lines more :D.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/31-10-05_1h.jpg

raptor|3D
10-31-2005, 09:17 PM
hereīs next, more to come

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/no2_31-10-05_cca35min.jpg

CBee
10-31-2005, 09:27 PM
OK, hereīs my linework , not so good, I have to practice lines more

They are a lot better than mine right now. :) Everything is relative. :D

I think when you want to master drawing like old masters, you should learn "regular" shading technique first and then do whatever.

I don't know about that. If your proportions are shaky like mine, it makes sense to use more rapid shading techniques...just to keep from becoming depressed and killing yourself. :D

Although, you do need to get around to it eventually. I started out with pencil smudge shading but the more my proportions improve the more I want play around with hatching.

raptor|3D
11-02-2005, 12:01 AM
Cbee: why not? Like I said: thatīs just my point of view.

Finally finished zhuzhu drawing, although proportions of the head could be better I donīt want to tweak this drawing forever :D and itīs too late to redo the head completely.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/2-11-05_zhuzhu_rendering.jpg
(http://www.yourimagehost.com/is.php?i=69209&img=2-11-05_zhuzhu_rendering.jpg)

CBee
11-02-2005, 01:18 AM
Heh, no problem.

Nice stuff, BTW. :thumbsup:

Back to my drawing. Can't be a noob forever. :scream:

raptor|3D
11-02-2005, 01:26 AM
CBee,
thanks.

Good luck with your drawing.

Rebeccak
11-02-2005, 03:24 AM
raptor|3D,

Sorry I was unable to post yesterday ~ I was completely pooped!! But I saw your work, and I have to say that you have some really beautiful pieces here! Particularly the drawing of the hands ~ your linework is already quite beautiful and sensitive ~ nice work! :thumbsup:

I'm happy to see you post zhuzhu's image also. :) I agree it's not finished, but understand your wanting to move on. ;)

Great to see this work! Hope to see more soon. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
11-02-2005, 10:29 AM
Hi Rebecca,
absolutely no problem...

I agree that shading could be better, I just wanted to finish it fast (I finished it at night:)).
I also used softer pencil. Iīve tried 2B pencil out on this piece. Normally I use B. I want to experiment with pencils and materials more. I want to purchase various pencils from i-net store soon and just try them out.

As for the linework, thank you, but I need to practice more.
I like drawings of Sarah Simblet (authoress of the Anatomy for the artist book). Although this book is mainly based on photos, she has some really nice drawings there. She has quite interesting style (rather linework with very, very decent shading). I think I could try something like this from time to time.

Today Iīll be painting my landscape with oils at the art course I attend every Wednesday. This is my great interest - lanscapes, Iīve just started (itīs my first landscape oil painting). Iīll try to do at least some linework when I get back.

CBee
11-02-2005, 03:55 PM
Derwent Graphic pencils are good. Make sure you try a couple of them to see if you like em

raptor|3D
11-02-2005, 10:39 PM
OK, back from the painting landscape, decided to do something quick. Nothing special and also not 100% accurate, but better then nothing.

I have tried "Sepia dark" chalk pencil.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/3-11-05_bones.jpg

Rebeccak
11-02-2005, 10:46 PM
raptor|3D,

WooHoo! Anatomy Study! :thumbsup: Great to see this piece ~ do you plan on shading it? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
11-02-2005, 11:37 PM
WooHoo! Anatomy Study! :thumbsup:

Yeah, it ainīt called Anatomy Thread for nothing. :D

do you plan on shading it? :)

Well, no :). It was ment to be like this. I have tried to achieve something similar like in Sarah Simbletīs drawings in Anatomy for the artist. Well, this is not exactly her style but I would say somewhere close - I mean almost only linework with very decent shading.
Iīll do something "full" shaded next.

I think itīs also time to go through your tutorials like Opposing curves etc.:) Havenīt time to do so before. Canīt wait to learn new things from them.

CBee
11-03-2005, 04:11 PM
I've never tried Chalk pencils before. Do you like them more than the graphite variety?

raptor|3D
11-03-2005, 08:25 PM
CBee: well, they ainīt bad at all, Iīll use them for some old master copies cause they imitate the masterīs mediums quite well. BTW: You have to sharp them frequently when drawing thin lines.
But I like graphite pencils more.


OK, here we go: Raphaelīs "A combat of nude men", work in progress

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/3-11-05_Rafael-a_combat_of_nude_men.jpg

Rebeccak
11-03-2005, 10:50 PM
raptor|3D,

Nice start here! I actually do think going through the Opposing Curves Anatomy Review would help with this piece. You seem to have a natural grasp of the concept, but really being conscious of the principle and capitalizing on it might really help your drawing.

I look forward to seeing this completed! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-04-2005, 04:16 PM
Hi Raptor
Nice to see that you do some master copies :arteest:so far so good, I like this rendering it looks simple and efective. I will try to do some master copies later now I have to focus on human anatomy... hmmm and Opposing Curves I should check this one too ;) but anyway kepp going ....

- Slux

raptor|3D
11-04-2005, 09:15 PM
Thanx Slux.

I was just adding new character to the image when I found out that there was something wrong with the proportions and pose of the main character. Well Iīve found out that I have to redo whole image, this chalk pencil cannot be completely erased with my kneaded eraser. I also traced the original image to see whatīs wrong exactly. What a mistake I had not checked the figure with a pair of compasses before.

Rebecca,
Iīve read your tutorial Opposing curves and I have to say itīs very useful -> excellent :thumbsup:. Iīm gonna read your Gesture tutorial now.

Well, I really need to focus on the basics now.

Rebeccak
11-04-2005, 09:20 PM
raptor|3D,

Hey there, thanks! :) I'm glad it's useful! :) The Opposing Curves was probably the best of the 3 Anatomy Reviews in terms of my own tutorials ~ the Gesture one was the first ~ so keep that in mind. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
11-09-2005, 12:38 AM
Although my first character wasnīt 100% accurate (some proportions and pose could be better) I decided to finish the piece. So letīs call it "beta version".:D

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/9-11-05_raphael_beta_version.jpg

Rebeccak
11-09-2005, 01:37 AM
raptor|3D,

Nice! :) I think you're really getting the feeling of movement and twist pretty nicely through the use of opposing curves. This is something which you will always want to emphasize! Looking forward to the final! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
11-22-2005, 12:19 AM
reference: Anatomy for the Artist
B, 8B pencil

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/22-11-05resampled.jpg

Corvax
11-22-2005, 09:23 AM
Hi raptor|3d

really nice drawing especially on the hands and feet, beautifully details there:bowdown: . I do think you have some issues whit the head - there doesn't seem to be enough mass to the back of her skull, and on her right side (left in the image plane) it looks a bit squashed - I think you need to ad more to her cheekbone and forehead to settle the eye more into the socket, I also think you might see some of her jawbone on that side.

really nice job thou. :thumbsup:

raptor|3D
11-22-2005, 02:27 PM
Hi Corvax,

Thanks a lot man! Yeah, you are right that the head could be better. As for the heads in general I have to focus on the anatomy of the head and how to capture the physiognomy. I should draw more heads.

I looked at your thread and I have to say you have got beautiful artworks there. Really impressive! :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
11-22-2005, 11:36 PM
raptor|3D,

This is a stunning drawing ~ the hands in particular are beautifully drawn, though the bit that is so impressive is that the drawing as a whole is consistently strong. The hands, particularly her right hand that is wrapped around her body, has a beautiful sculptural quality which reveals your level of attention to detail. I'm very impressed! :)

Great work...hope to see more beautiful drawings such as this! :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
01-25-2006, 11:26 PM
Hi Rebecca, :)
Thank you very much for your kind reply. Havenīt been here for a while. Have been learning maya a lot and doing quick sketches and opposing curves that I donīt thing are worth to show here but Iīll come up with something better soon.

Well, Iīve also finished my landscape oil painting. In case you donīt mind Iīll upload it here as soon as it will be photographed (I donīt have digital camera so it will take some time to throw it in the computer).

P.S.: Wouldnīt you mind if I copy my last drawing to the "Torso" section?

Cheers :)

Rebeccak
01-26-2006, 12:02 AM
raptor|3D,

Great to see you back! Absolutely feel free to post your landscape here. :) Also, feel free to copy your torso painting to the other thread, I really don't mind a bit.

Looking forward to seeing your new work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
01-29-2006, 05:38 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/29_1_2006_torso.jpg

^ relatively quick sketch
Sepia dark chalk pencil used ...
reference: Anatomy for the Artist

Rebeccak
01-29-2006, 05:42 PM
raptor|3D,

Nice to see your new work! :) I always enjoy seeing your particular style of drawing...there's a nice sense of attention to line, and even if the form is a bit elongated on this figure, there's a nice feeling of volume, and contrast between exterior line and interior shading.

By the way, did you and Slux ever get the chance to meet? Just curious, I remember at some point that was in the works. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
01-29-2006, 06:10 PM
Thanks! Although it could be better ... I try to learn quicker sketching along with more detailed rendering.

Yes, I visited Slux one month ago and I have to tell you that he is quite a collector of various drawing and anatomy books. That reminded me I should extend my own library. :) Not only books but he has really nice setup for drawing and great works too (these looks much better in real than on the web ~ but I believe this is well-known thing for every scanned artwork).
This guy is really serious about drawing :). Inspiring setup there, almost like a studio.

Rebeccak
01-29-2006, 06:16 PM
Hey, that's really interesting! :) I wonder if Slux knows we're chatting about him? :D

Yes, it seems you are both very serious about drawing, which is really great to see! Glad to see both of you posting on the boards. :)

With respect to faster sketching ~ though you are not a beginner, you may want to check out some of the Gesture Exercises in the Beginner's Lounge:

Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229

All of the Exercises (so far) are linked in the first post.

Also check out:

Anatomy Thread of Bobby Chiu (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=313788)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=313788

While he has a totally different style and approach than you do (he was trained as an animator, so is really good at capturing movement efficiently), I think you might quite like seeing a really fast approach to capturing the essence of a pose. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
02-07-2006, 07:03 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/7_2_2006_study_of_abdomen_muscles.jpg

^ The study of the torso muscles
Sepia Dark chalk pencil
reference: Anatomy for the Artist (Sarah Simblet)
image completion time: 1 music CD :)

Thanks for the links Rebecca. There are so many interesting threads and workshops in this sub-forum. I must go through them by sequel.

Rebeccak
02-07-2006, 07:50 PM
raptor|3D,

Beautiful drawing...really lovely to see. :) I also like how you've measured the amount of time spent in cd. :D

Definitely looking forward to seeing more of your drawings. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lyneran
02-09-2006, 01:45 AM
hi raptor|3D i really like your studies from anatomy for the artist, and your master copy. hope to see more of those :)

raptor|3D
02-09-2006, 11:08 AM
Hi Anne,
thanks a lot! Iīm glad that you like it. More studies soon :), thanks for watching this thread. By the way, do you also have Anatomy for the Artist? Thatīs great book.
You have great thread ;)

see ya ...



Rebecca: thx a lot!

JohnR
02-11-2006, 05:40 PM
Hey! the last one is cool! I love the way you get the shadows!

raptor|3D
02-11-2006, 08:33 PM
JohnR: Thanx! Iīm glad you like it.

raptor|3D
02-18-2006, 06:45 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/18_2_2006_study_of_skeleton.jpg

^ The study of the skeleton
(rather more schematic than detailed)
a version with description can be seen here (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/18_2_2006_study_of_skeleton-descrip.jpg)
again ~ Anatomy for the Artist for reference, drawn using chalk pencil

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Lovely work! I love seeing your pencil drawings...they're really fantastic. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
02-18-2006, 08:04 PM
Thanx for the kind words Rebecca! I really appreciate it. :)

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 08:08 PM
Absolutely! I always enjoy seeing your work. :)

Haven't seen Slux around lately...I wonder what he's up to these days? :)

raptor|3D
02-18-2006, 08:39 PM
hmmm ... dunno, maybe flooded by ream of anatomy books and papers creating something I would guess :)

Rebeccak
02-18-2006, 08:41 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!! :thumbsup:

Lyneran
02-19-2006, 02:10 PM
whoops doubLe post! doh!

Lyneran
02-19-2006, 02:11 PM
hi again.. yup i've got ms. simblet's anatomy for the artist, i'll be posting some studies from it too. it's a great book for reference but i think someone already mentioned that for instruction on things like gestures, constructing the figure in space and other stuff like that there are other better books. this one really focuses on the parts, how they move & what they do in the body. what other books are you working from? just curious. :)

btw, your pencil studies are nice. that skeleton study must have taken a lot of patience. hope to see more :)

raptor|3D
02-19-2006, 04:25 PM
Hi Lyneran!
Yeah ~ like you said itīs great reference for studies and anatomy rather than how-to book.
I have only this book, although I plan on extending my library. I think I lack some skills concerning gesture and others, so it might be wise to add other books.
Iīm curious too which books do you practice from? Because I noticed that you are pretty cool at drawing from imagination ~ without reference (refered to your thread) and that is something I dare not to yet. Do you have some advice how to start drawing from imagination? Which books would you recommend?

BTW ~ itīs great you will be posting studies from Anatomy for the Artist. Iīm really looking forward to them!

btw, your pencil studies are nice. that skeleton study must have taken a lot of patience. hope to see more :)

Thanx! Iīm really glad someone likes my studies. :) yeah, but they were even harder "patience-studies" like this one: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/22-11-05resampled.jpg (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/22-11-05resampled.jpg) (after this kind of studies one get used to it I would say :D), but the annoying thing on this skeleton was that I had to sharp this chalk pencil literally every minute.

see ya ...


I hope you understand everything, Iīm not that good at English ... I need more pracice :)

Slux
02-19-2006, 07:30 PM
Hi men nice to sou you around lol :)

hmmm ... dunno, maybe flooded by ream of anatomy books and papers creating something I would guess

heh true true :) I have been studying anatomy quite a lot lately ... as you say lots of papers everywhere and my tables are full of open books lol ... at least 6 open anatomy books on the table is must :D .... hmm but I have been producing a lots of sketchy stuff lately - rather practical drawings so nothing interesting to post.

Hmm but anyway keep practising :)

- Slux

raptor|3D
02-19-2006, 08:29 PM
What did I tell you Rebecca? :D
Hey man, Rebecca almost thought youīve given up, am I right? :D
Good to hear youīre working like crazy. Good luck with your kick-ass anatomy study. I think starting with this skeleton drawing I started some more serious anatomy study too. I actually mix it with more detailed renderings, sketches, landscapes and... Maya :).

Lyneran
02-21-2006, 06:54 PM
slux? give up? hah! no way! :)

Iīm curious too which books do you practice from?
i started out with Loomis' books, and recently got my hands on simblet's anatomy for the artist. yesterday i got burne hogarth's dynamic anatomy, robert beverly hale's drawing lessons from the great masters, and anthony ryder's complete guide to figure drawing, so i haven't practiced from those yet.

Do you have some advice how to start drawing from imagination? Which books would you recommend?
i'm still pretty much starting out & finding stuff that works for me too, so this is just advice from one learner to another. check out the books sticky in the main anatomy forum, that's what i consult before buying. i guess the best advice i can give you is observe a lot, and draw a lot. books are great but they won't do anything for you if you read & read but not practice. same goes for just copying but not analyzing. like slux said, what's in your mind is more important than what's on paper.

don't feel pressured to draw well from imagination, with time & effort for sure you'll get there. if you can take life drawing classes, that would help a lot. i myself can't afford life drawing classes, so i make do with observing people while i'm out and about (situation is never a handicap if you really want to learn). i also stare at my siblings till they're really annoyed & ready to kill me (that alone makes it worth it really :D) i would suggest drawing from imagination after some studying from reference. learn from fellow learners then learn from the masters. anatomy studies then some gestures. long renders then quick ones. just throw it all in the mix really. keeps you from feeling stuck or slow, and keeps you from getting bored.

your pencil studies are really nice, just keep them coming. without a doubt you'll get there. i'm looking forward to seeing more stuff from you. :thumbsup:

-Lye-

raptor|3D
02-21-2006, 07:59 PM
Thanks a lot for advice and encouragement Lye. :)
I think you really make fast progress. Canīt wait to see what you will come up with say after one year.

As for the drawing classes, I have been attending evening class every Wednesday ~ nowadays I take the chance and try to learn landscape painting here though, cause oils are free there but more importantly I donīt have some room at home where I could paint yet, so I use the studio there too. Iīve just started to love landscape painting. I have already finished my first picture but I just somehow have got to throw it into the computer to upload it here. Hopefully soon. So if you are interested stay tuned :) .
Tomorrow Iīll upload at least some landscape concept art I printed there last time.

see ya ... :)


Rebecca: thanks for the link to G. Helnweinīs site youīve posted on Lyeīs thread today. Amazing artist.

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 08:47 PM
If you haven't already, you should totally join the Challenge!

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/enter.php

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
03-01-2006, 09:02 PM
You have quite sense of humor. :)

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 09:06 PM
Wha??? :) I'm not laughing... ;)

raptor|3D
03-01-2006, 09:21 PM
but I am ... :)

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 09:30 PM
Ok, now with your comment, I am laughing. ;)

raptor|3D
03-02-2006, 12:25 PM
Rebecca:

Apart from that I am not really skilled enough at art yet, even if I entered I donīt think traditional media-only are allowed for this challenge and I work in traditional media. Even if they allowed traditional media, I can only paint with oils/acrylics every Wednesday at art course and in addition I cannot capture whole process of painting because I have no digital camera.
Thanks for letting me know tho.

Good luck with your image! Iīll be watching your entry. :)


Here are some last concepts I created at the art course. First I drew the concept, than I deposited the lacquer layer. Than I inscribed the linework using needle, added two printing colors and smudged them using fingers, piece of nylons served for drying = lighting some areas. Than I printed that using presser. I repeated whole process of colouring the concept several times. Finally I colored the negative without consecutive printing and let dry. I donīt know how this technique is called in English, here it is called "dry needle" and the negative is probably rather metal. But you can use paper with layer of lacquer as well.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/original_negative_paint-over.jpg
^ colored negative

and some prints:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/landscape_concept_print02.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/landscape_concept_print01.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/landscape_concept_print03.jpg

Rebeccak
03-12-2006, 01:59 PM
raptor|3D,

Are you familiar with the artist Kathe Kollwitz (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ARTkollwitz.htm)? She was an amazing printmaker / draughtsman who did some amazing figurative work / highly expressive ~ definitely check her work out. :) I think you could do some beautiful work this way ~ either painting or drawing.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

erilaz
03-14-2006, 12:39 PM
You have some really beautiful studies in here raptor. I love it how you mention that a quick sketch turned into hours of rendering. I know that feeling!:D

raptor|3D
03-14-2006, 07:48 PM
Hi erilaz,
thank you very much! I guess I am not able to draw nice quick sketch that looks artistic. I am working on it tho.

You have some really great images in your thread, keep up the great work.

see ya ...



Rebecca: I think I have heard of her. Really interesting artworks. Maybe Iīll try some figurative prints. How is challenge going? I have to check your entry again ~ pretty much spam in there flooding your great artworks :).

see ya ...

raptor|3D
03-24-2006, 06:39 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/sketch_24_3_06_resampled.jpg

^ quick sketch. I used mainly chalk. Informations from Rebeccaīs great tutorials - Gesture and Opposing Curves helped me a lot on this piece. A photo from photography/video magazine served as reference.

Rebeccak
03-24-2006, 06:49 PM
Lovely piece, and great to see new work from you! :) There is so much mood and expression in your works which I really love. I'm happy you've liked the tutorials. It's great to hear they're still useful. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

raptor|3D
03-27-2006, 09:07 AM
Wow, thanks a lot Rebecca for the kind words. :)

I'm happy you've liked the tutorials. It's great to hear they're still useful. :)

Sure, they are really useful. Canīt wait for next.

LoTekK
03-27-2006, 09:59 AM
Nice lighting on that last one. I agree with Rebecca: great mood and expression. :thumbsup:

Only niggle is that her ass looks overly flattened; is she sitting in shallow water?

raptor|3D
03-28-2006, 01:13 PM
Thanks LoTekK! I would show you original photo but I guess it has copyright. Sheīs sitting on some cloth.

raptor|3D
06-29-2006, 06:25 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/hawai_tungsten-tw_resample30.jpg



http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/hawai_tungsten-tw_detail.jpg



^ OK, here is the landscape as promised. Itīs my first oil painting - originally started as a first step in learning matte painting. I would like to fully dive into MP soon. Reference photo of some place in Hawai from calendar was used. I tried to capture quite big portion of details which of course led to spending quite big amount of time on this piece. But I couldnīt resist - I just like details ; ). But the real challenge was to capture the textures of the ground and the illuminated smoke.

raptor|3D
11-30-2006, 06:09 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/rough_portfolio/adriana_mray.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/rough_portfolio/adriana_wire.jpg

^First attempts at organic modeling (Maya). Several months old stuff.




http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_skull_top_view.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_skull_perspective_view.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_skull_pirates.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_skull_compare.jpg


^Front part of the skull I have just finished. Made using water based clay. Plaster cast coming soon.

Womball
11-30-2006, 06:21 PM
Very nice work! The maya sculpture has a great sense of form. However the topology is a bit weird, your using a bit too many n-gons (greater than 4 sided polys) which could be problematic if you decide to animate the head.

raptor|3D
11-30-2006, 06:58 PM
Very nice work! The maya sculpture has a great sense of form. However the topology is a bit weird, your using a bit too many n-gons (greater than 4 sided polys) which could be problematic if you decide to animate the head.

Thanks a lot!
As for the Maya sculpture, itīs almost 100% quads. I guess they somewhere look like n-gons to you due to the subD wireframe.
However the topology could be better. I would do it a little bit differently now, particulary the loops in the nose and mouth area.

Here are wireframes of the base poly cage:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/topo-head.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/ear_topo.jpg

anandpg
12-01-2006, 06:01 AM
Hi Raptor..
Great start on the head... the ear is beautifully done.. just one small suggestion regarding your mesh-construction, though: I took the libery of painting over your image to make my point clear.. the purpose is to make facial animation easier, by defining the mouth area and the cheek area as separate quad-patches(outlined with yellow)... makes it easier to detail the laugh line(crease) better.I have just drawn the rough layout.. you can make variations within the frame, and it will still work.. Hope this helps.. Cheers!:thumbsup:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7140/topoheadlinesdg1.jpg

raptor|3D
12-01-2006, 02:12 PM
Hi Anand P.G.
Thank you very much for the correction of topology on the head. I appreciate it.
This head was modeled using poly by poly technique which I donīt like so much but wanted to try it. I rather want to learn box modeling which is harder but seems better to me.
Your suggested wireframe and info will help me a lot (added to my topology gallery).
Feel free to paint over anything.

BTW you have got some great models in your portfolio.

Cheers.

raptor|3D
03-18-2007, 03:46 PM
Finally I got to photograph the plaster cast of the clay skull. Casting was quite a challenge. I would really like to use silicon next time instead of the damned plaster : ).

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/SkullPlasterCast.jpg

raptor|3D
03-30-2007, 08:29 PM
Some rough quick sketches with water based clay. These were done in order to get a bit faster when blocking shapes with clay.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_sketch_legs01_30-03-07.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_sketch_legs02_30-03-07.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_sketch_face_30-03-07.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/clay_sketch_head_and_hands_30-03-07.jpg

raptor|3D
03-30-2007, 08:46 PM
Here is the size comparison with camera bag which is 13 cm high.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/size-legs.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/size-face.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/raptor3D/size-head_and_hands.jpg

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