View Full Version : Hollywood is afraid of YOU
Old news for some, odd magazine publishing this subject for others:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/specials/features/1712111.html?page=1&c=y
And as much as I like this quote from the article:
My wife is a filmmaker. Her latest film, which cost about $25,000 to produce, would have cost close to $1 million two decades ago.
I guess if you want to make a King Kong movie you will still need to save some $207 million (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=289000) from your day job.
EDIT: a bit of salt from Wired on this World 2.0 stuff:
Web 2.0 Cracks Start to Show (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69366-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1)
EDIT 2.0: Media Moguls Circle the Wagons (http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,69387,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_11)
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nakrul
10-27-2005, 05:23 AM
piracy Is what is killing them...is was is LOL
That and cheap a$$ movies...example...DOOM...THE BFG...IT MISSES. IT *UC*ING MISSES.
That and the fact nex-flex is around...
alexgk
10-27-2005, 04:35 PM
Lol, yeah a lot of movies sucked this year..but I hate to see them keep waving the piracy flag. There was a study done (looking for the link) that mentioned this summer young males surfed the web more, played more video games, and watched more DVD's. I know this is only one demographic, but I believe there was an overall shift to home entertainment. Just seems like a change in trends...interesting to see how Hollywood responds.
noisewar
10-27-2005, 07:05 PM
piracy Is what is killing them...is was is LOL
That and cheap a$$ movies...example...DOOM...THE BFG...IT MISSES. IT *UC*ING MISSES.
That and the fact nex-flex is around...
What's killing them is $5 popcorn, and the fact that I have a beautiful TV at home, a nice leather couch, 5.1 surround DTS, and for the cost of being disappointed at the theater I could be disappointed about 25 times with my Netflix rentals.
JeroenDStout
10-27-2005, 07:18 PM
Well, of course they're scared of indy filmers. They're innovative! Sweet mother of Jesus, you can't put innovativity in films! What's next, a decent plot!
"Aaaah!", so says Hollywood.
JA-forreal
10-27-2005, 10:11 PM
Have dvd recorder, have dish, having more fun watching TV series than feature films.
AdamHerbert
10-27-2005, 10:30 PM
Movie makers are actually going to begin releasing DVD's at the same time the movie is released in theaters. Except for some of the blockbuster films, most movies make their money back through home video sales and products tied to the movie. This worries theater owners, but they are working on a dealwhere theater owners won't lose much, if any profit.
*Edit*
This isn't the original article I read, but it talks about the same subject.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6346.cfm
JA-forreal
10-27-2005, 10:37 PM
piracy Is what is killing them...is was is LOL
That and cheap a$$ movies...example...DOOM...THE BFG...IT MISSES. IT *UC*ING MISSES.
That and the fact nex-flex is around...
Nex-Flex, you gotta love it. I like watching indie release dvd's and older films with great acting and directing.
DorkmanScott
10-27-2005, 11:10 PM
For literally half the cost of buying my own ticket and watching a movie alone in theatres -- not to mention concessions, God help us all -- I can rent the movie and watch it with a dozen friends and have our own private party of it.
I love the theatrical experience when movies have a grand scope that you want to get immersed in. For the most part they're not worth it anymore though.
Stormy151
10-28-2005, 12:30 AM
This worries theater owners, but they are working on a dealwhere theater owners won't lose much, if any profit.
Well, I hope their solution isn't $15 movie tickets! :scream:
Unled
10-28-2005, 01:09 AM
For literally half the cost of buying my own ticket and watching a movie alone in theatres -- not to mention concessions, God help us all -- I can rent the movie and watch it with a dozen friends and have our own private party of it.
I love the theatrical experience when movies have a grand scope that you want to get immersed in. For the most part they're not worth it anymore though.
I completely agree, I know this is why I go to the theater less. In fact I've broken my movie watching into two different tiers.
The Theater is for big cannot wait blockbusters, LOTR and Star Wars and Matrix would fall into this category for me. Kong is the next 'must see' movie in the theater.
other movies like Mr and Mrs. Smith, Wedding Crashers and Madagascar fall into the 'I'll Netflix it' category. These movies just don't look good enough to bother with the theater, and I'm not excited enough about them to care if I see it right away.
I've also begun to really get into TV shows on DVD. I'm about to cancel my cable and just wait till popular shows come to DVD. Carnivale, Deadwood, Lost, I've been seriously hooked on all of these and it's way better to watch without commerical breaks.
Maybe Hollywood didn't expect DVDs to kill their theater business model but I sure think it is doing just that.
BigJay
10-28-2005, 01:23 AM
Commercials... Shudder.
I can stay home and fast forward past those
I personally don't think it has anything to do with DVDs or piracy.
I blame the friggin' annoying moviegoers. We all know who they all. Let's make a list:
1. The moron who loves to talk on his cellphone
2. The family where only the parents want to watch the movie while the kids run and play in the aisles
3. The tough "gangsta" fellows who rip and roar at the screen whenever they feel like it
4. The terrible parents who bring their 2 yr old to a 10 pm or midnight showing of an R rated film
5. The parent who brings a baby into a theatre and their form of keeping "it" quiet is just saying "shhh" for 45 minutes
6. The young kids who somehow get into late showing with a high rating
Perhaps it's just me, but I find kids at theatres extremely annoying. And I love kids. Go figure. Now if it's a family movie or a cartoon or something, I have no problem with that. It's the r-rated movies with kids that piss me off.
If I ever get rich I'm opening a new genre of theatres. 50 screens, 25 on one side, 25 on the other, each side will show the same movies. one side will be "family" the other will be "adult". I know I'm not alone in thinking that kids at high rated movies are annoying, especially when the "parent" won't parent.
Since I have a home theatre, I could care less aobut going to the movies more often than naught, but there are certain types of movies that just require you to go and get the big screen experience.
sad_raven
10-28-2005, 04:06 PM
I blame the friggin' annoying moviegoers
I hear ya! I've all but given up on seeing a lot of movies in the theater. Whenever my girlfriend and I go see a movie, it seems like we're surrounded by people bent on ruining it for everyone else. If it's a matinee or early evening showing of an animated movie, there are parents who either won't make their kids behave, or who talk through the whole movie because they couldn't care less about seeing an animated film. If it's a PG-13 rated horror movie, it seems like the theater is filled with young teens and tweens who just want to say how stupid everything is.
Example: Being M. Night Shyamalan fans, we were really looking forward to seeing The Village, but the experience was ruined for my girlfriend and the other couple who went with us because there was a crowd of about 25 tweens in the front row who were yelling and throwing things at the screen. Luckily for me, I was so determined to focus on the movie that I was able to tune them out, but my girlfriend got so fed up with it that she went to get the manager and missed a crucial plot point.
*comic book guy voice* WORST movie-going experience EVER!
I agree that going to see a movie these days can be a pain in the as$ (althought there are still some small movie theaters in my city that have a nice audience). But I don't think that's the main problem.
If you read the articles mentioned on my first post, and keep up to date with tech news, you kinda have the impression that the focus of the masses is being distributed. Like if the focus is being leveled in a huge plateau, instead of just a couple of peaks. As if, before the internet and this era of cheap gadgets, the masses could only turn to a couple of content producers that had huge amount of money to make this content.
You don't need a huge amount of money to create content anymore, thus almost anyone can create it. And so, this any average joe competes with big media companies. And this big media companies have a problem with this new competition:
"I think there's a certain amount of panic among media owners," he said. "Most of these companies, ours included I suppose, are run by 50- or 60-year-olds who have trouble getting it, and who really don't want to see change on their watch."
This happend in the beggining of the internet in the middle of the 90s, when people did not believed in it (remember Bill Gate's comment?). People thought it would end up being a nerd thing only, nobody would create content for it, no big media company would invest the huge amount of money necessary to create content in a new media that had such a few audience. And truly so, they did not. We did. The users did. The internet content was build by peers, not big media companies.
And this peer stuff is propagating to all other areas. And it's behind this concept of Web 2.0 from this Dougherty guy, where a new dot-com bubble is being formed with companies that have products based on peer interaction.
It's truly an amazing era to be living in.
But, as I said, you still have to take all this with a bit of salt. There will always be stuff that needs a huge amount of money to be made, like King Kong movies.
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nomadicrain
10-28-2005, 05:08 PM
I agree with everyones ideas here but there is something else that is making it easier to not go to the theater. THe length of time between release in the theater to release on DVD. Used to be 1 to 1.5 years before you could watch the movie at home. Now it is 6 months to DVD, 1 year to Pay-Per View, 1.5 years to Cable and 2-3 to broadcast TV. I don't know about you but there are very few movies that I can't wait 6 months to rent for 4 bucks for the whole family as opposed to paying 50 for the family to go to the theater. Exceptions being SW, LOTR as mentioned before.
parallax
10-29-2005, 10:50 AM
I don't know in what cinemas you people watch films, but i have never ever heard anyone tell me they stopped going to the cinema because they were annoyed by the public. Maybe that's something transatlantic?
The only reason to stop going that i know of, is $15 tickets, along with $5-$10 in beverages to go and watch a film wich 9 times out of 10 is total and utter shite.
DoubleSupercool
10-29-2005, 11:45 AM
Two words for Australians : Tightarse Tuesday. Also known as cheap Tuesday. Pretty much the only day I will see a film as tickets are only about $8.00 (maybe USD$5.00). I go almost every week unless the films are too dire to watch and frankly, there have been a few of those lately.
I like watching DVD's but I love going to the movies.
As for snacks, I bring my own. One chain of cinemas here banned outside purchased snacks recently, as is their right. They just announced that they had cancelled the ban. Something to do with no people turning up to pay for $10 popcorn and $6 Cokes. Who'da thunk it?
JeroenDStout
10-29-2005, 12:01 PM
I only had people yell at the kiss scene in Batman Begins, but that's as far as I have noticed in the Netherlands. I rarely watch movies, anyway, it's terriby expensive, even when you buy your M&Ms and Dr Pepper on forehand at a local gas station and hide them in your pockets :p
JA-forreal
10-29-2005, 02:59 PM
I only had people yell at the kiss scene in Batman Begins, but that's as far as I have noticed in the Netherlands. I rarely watch movies, anyway, it's terriby expensive, even when you buy your M&Ms and Dr Pepper on forehand at a local gas station and hide them in your pockets :p
I've never had a taste for theater food. I'll buy a soda and that's about it. And sometimes I... well that always tastes better than popcorn anyday. Hehehe. I missed seeing Serenity. I'll Flicks it.
Nadril
10-29-2005, 04:30 PM
I usualy don't have to worry about paying super high prices for food in the movie theater. *has a krogers right next to ours, and plenty of room to store stuff :)*
However, what anoys me the most right now are the censorship laws. Now, this is just in my town I think, but this is how it works:
Ok, I was going to the movies with my 2 friends. Now I'm 17, good enough to see an R rated movie. They however, are 16. No big deal I thought, I can just buy them tickets, worse comes to worse, my mom can. I go in, nope, can't buy them tickets for Doom. I see if my mom can, nope! Infact, if my mom were to say, want to buy a ticket for me, she would have to stay in the same movie with me! This is why I don't see many movies in theaters, because as luck has it, a lot of my friends are 16 and unable to see R rated films. If there's a good PG-13 movie coming out (which there has been, but the ones i've realy wanted to see have been R, go figure) I'll go to it, but usualy i'll just wait.
Boone
10-30-2005, 03:33 PM
I found the last trip to the cinema to be the last straw...
Walace & Gromit. Curse of the Were-Rabbit. NOBODY F&%$ING LAUGHED. WTF? :banghead:
At least in the comfort of my own home, I can roar til my eyes pop out and explode! :applause:
Darktwin
10-30-2005, 06:02 PM
I don't know in what cinemas you people watch films, but i have never ever heard anyone tell me they stopped going to the cinema because they were annoyed by the public. Maybe that's something transatlantic?
The only reason to stop going that i know of, is $15 tickets, along with $5-$10 in beverages to go and watch a film wich 9 times out of 10 is total and utter shite.
quoted for agreement
The only films worth seeing in theatres are the ones people have a strong interest in and of course the big epic blockbusters for effect on the big screen(not saying those are always good films either). Prices are ridiculious, and I also agree with those who have stated annoying people in theatres, this is why I wait a week or two after a film I really want to focus on is released to cut down on the annoying people.
Oh yeah another type of annoying movie goer is the sick movie goer, the one who tends to cough through the entire film ruining it for everyone!, lol, man I would never go to a film with a severe cough, I'd feel really bad, but people go anyways.
Boone
10-30-2005, 06:11 PM
Even worse is the kid that shouts out "LOOK MUM - ITS HARRY POTTER!" whenever Daniel Radcliff makes an appearance... :banghead:
Boone
10-30-2005, 06:14 PM
Come to think of it, has anyone here ever had to endure an "audio commentary" from some else in the audience? :scream:
Ninjas
10-30-2005, 06:24 PM
I found the last trip to the cinema to be the last straw...
Walace & Gromit. Curse of the Were-Rabbit. NOBODY F&%$ING LAUGHED. WTF? :banghead:
At least in the comfort of my own home, I can roar til my eyes pop out and explode! :applause:
Me and my wife were really howling, and I think most of the other people in the audience (being Okies) could not even figure out what people were saying.
I go in off hours to avoid people as much as possible.
nakrul
10-30-2005, 07:03 PM
^
My wife and I :wip:
Mr. spectacular
10-30-2005, 07:13 PM
guys guys guyssssssssss
u r going completely off the topic
it isnt about ur cinema going experiences , its about ur possible biggest enemy u are going to face if u decide to make ur own movie and distribute it using web ,
the internet is a fantastic thing, it will eveolve in future and it will reshape the things with it regarding media and all,
how many u guys are spending more time on net or pc instead ur tv ? ever wonder
anyway lets get baq to topic
holly wood is loosing its audience because of their stupid films with top production values and zero entertainment factor , one of the reasons is bad cinema experience also but hey their biggest fear is really the ones who are shooting their films in their back yards and distibuting it over net for cash and people are watching it . tommorrow when the cg will be so easy as drag and drop and hd will be so easy to work with and handle and net will be so fast , then imagine if a small group of people are doing hot flicks from their back yards.. this is why the hollywood is havinga fear cuz the audience is going to be distributed ... think...
the tommorrow is now today by the way :)
Boone
10-30-2005, 07:28 PM
Re: Mr Spectacular.
Theres always one who wants to spoil it for the rest of us! :rolleyes:
I think Hollywood is getting a little too worried, as a feature length movie does actually need a decent sized cast'n'crew to make it work.
A great example of this would be to ask the makers of OPEN WATER to produce GONE WITH THE WIND with the same resources... :deal:
Mr. spectacular
10-30-2005, 08:19 PM
thats where the challenge lies mate
u want to make a movie with the zero resources u have
and the movie shud not suck
and / or it shud be as good as a holly wood slick
sky is the limit
the history is yet to be written:)
SheepFactory
10-30-2005, 08:22 PM
tommorrow when the cg will be so easy as drag and drop and hd will be so easy to work with and handle and net will be so fast , then imagine if a small group of people are doing hot flicks from their back yards.. this is why the hollywood is havinga fear cuz the audience is going to be distributed ... think...
the tommorrow is now today by the way :)
Ah cool! CG is drag and drop now?
Mr. spectacular
10-30-2005, 08:26 PM
isnt it yet??
SheepFactory
10-30-2005, 08:28 PM
isnt it yet??
Not unless you plan to make your movie with Virtual kitchen builder pro 2.0.
animateddave
10-30-2005, 08:30 PM
Someones been using poser again. :D
kachoudas
10-30-2005, 08:49 PM
Not unless you plan to make your movie with Virtual kitchen builder pro 2.0.
I think you've got something there. :wise:
Swizzle
10-30-2005, 08:52 PM
tommorrow when the cg will be so easy as drag and drop and hd will be so easy to work with and handle and net will be so fast , then imagine if a small group of people are doing hot flicks from their back yards.. this is why the hollywood is havinga fear cuz the audience is going to be distributed ... think...
the tommorrow is now today by the way :)Computers and the Internet meant that you'd never have to do the same boring math problem sixteen times in a row and you wouldn't have to worry about not being able to get in touch with someone or not having access to information. What happened? The computers allowed you to do even more complex math problems that took just as long to solve as doing the old problems with pencil and paper and the Internet became a corporation-run mess that everybody and his cousin is trying to restrict.
Digital cameras meant that you wouldn't have to lug around huge cases of film to cut by hand. What happened? Computer editing that requires learning specialized programs and/or hiring professional digital artists to work on things like color grading, compositing, editing and always steadily more complex integration with sound.
CG meant that you'd never again have to work with stop-motion dinosaurs. What happened? Several people had to build the muscle systems and models, many people had to work on texturing and shaders, a bunch of people had to work on getting all the camera angles perfectly aligned and the color grading and especially lighting had to be perfect.
Just because the computers and graphics programs are going to be more powerful in the future doesn't mean that they're going to be any more intuitive or easy to use. Furthermore, there will never be a program that replaces good artists or makes good artists out of bad ones. Finally, everybody had to learn to work with all these new technologies and it's taken dozens of years for people to become real masters of their trade--this will continue forever.
JA-forreal
10-31-2005, 03:00 AM
isnt it yet??
Maybe we'll keep on complaining to our software developers saying cg is too hard. Then they will make it more drag and drop friendly. Eventually one single feature will finally do everything. Some company will have to top that “one” feature. At that point anyone can make amazing cg art. Then we'll all give up because anyone can do cg just as good as the next person.
Forget about hollywood, now I'm afraid of all of you!
Darktwin
10-31-2005, 06:32 AM
Come to think of it, has anyone here ever had to endure an "audio commentary" from some else in the audience? :scream:
LOL, oh man, thats when you start dropping bows, lol.
switchblade327
11-02-2005, 03:48 AM
Regarding the original article, I think the amateur filmmaker author with his amateur filmmaker wife might be flattering themselves a little.
There's certainly money to made and it's an exciting time to be in entertainment to be sure.
But if you compare the percentage of crap that comes out of Hollywood to the percentage of crap that comes out of people's backyard, Hollywood wins by a long shot (err... by having less crap, I mean). Outside of animation, the only really quality backyard films I've seen are by movie pros, made in their free time as labors of love.
I agree with all the semi-OT chatter though, as to why Hollywood and particularly the theaters are screwed anyway.
Grim Beefer
11-02-2005, 06:34 AM
Having worked in a theater, I do want to clear one thing up. Usually most of the box office sales goes to the studios, with most of the concession sales going to the actual theater. So the theater chains would probably be against higher ticket prices, because they make most of their money off of concession sales, not ticket sales. Then again, it's been years since I worked in a theater, maybe things are different now. Oh well.
Supposedly, even the bigwigs admit that sagging ticket prices are due to the fact that their movies suck pretty bad. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/2054233&tid=97&tid=186
I do agree that independent publishing of all types is becoming more accessible, not just because of computer technology replacing more traditionally expensive methods (anyone can burn a DVD right?), but because of the availability of a free education. Anyone can be an amateur anything thanks to the internet.
JeroenDStout
11-02-2005, 10:04 AM
Reminds me, and if you don't want to remember this every time you see Return of the King don't read it, but when I saw it in theatre and got to the bit where Frodo is stabbed with the poison by 'the spider' some teenage girl in the audience said on an audible level 'he's having an orgasm!'. And now every time I see the movie I am reminded of it. Damn girl.
Ninjas
11-02-2005, 03:49 PM
Outside of animation, the only really quality backyard films I've seen are by movie pros, made in their free time as labors of love.
I think it is funny that art gives you this little chatch-22 type situation. If you are good, you can EASILY get a job making good money in the industry, yet it is still very hard to make even half that amount trying to make movies on your own. Also, if you are good, it is frustrating to work with people who suck.
I am going to help my friend do his first movie this spring. I would shoot another movie but the cameras I want to get are not out yet (a 3 ccd 24P camera that I can swap the lense on). We are both 3d artists, and he helped me on the last movie I did, so this will be his second and my third that we have worked on. Slowly we are getting better. Hollywood does a lot of different movies. The Hollywood blockbuster is not going to be doable in anybodies back yard for a long time, but other stores can still be told. The whole So-Cal get stoned, be a loser culture says nothing to me or most of Americans who don't live in So-Cal. When they do try to do a blue collar middle America story they simply get it wrong.
There is still a lot of room for independent films
Well I think one obstacle to the CG portion of Indie film making is the lack of collaborations. You got skills up to high heaven but not as many collab projects being made as possible.
I guess everyone has to eat.
JMulder
11-03-2005, 08:35 PM
Come to think of it, has anyone here ever had to endure an "audio commentary" from some else in the audience? :scream:
Two instances:
When I saw Paycheck, there was a woman behind us who my wife thought might be mentally challenged. Every time the word 'paycheck' came up in the film (spoken or written), she'd say 'PAYCHECK!' in a loud whisper.
When I saw Sprited Away on my day off, there was a class of developmentally challenged kids...when that shrouded thing started moaning, I wasn't sure if it was the movie or the audience.
NOTE: I do not have anything against differently-abled individuals, and in neither case did these actions detract from my enjoyment of the movie. I've been much more disturbed by actual conversations than these brief outbursts.
jampoz
11-04-2005, 05:03 AM
Hollywood should be afraid of itself, I mean, most of the movies this year weren't even worth downloading... they should really give me back some of my money for the trash I've see in theaters but will never be able to refound my time, hell
Hollywood, wake up and don't complain
About the audio commentary, during Batman Begins a girl dared to accept a call on her cell phone (am I the only one who turn it off or what?) and talk for a minute, now I'm against violence but sometimes it's just needed
JeroenDStout
11-04-2005, 10:59 AM
mentally challenged
developmentally challenged
differently-abled individuals
I thought nobody actually said this 'challenged' nonsense - what's up with 'mental handicap'?
You're making it sound like they're walking the 100 mile race. I say call things by the name and if people can't stand the names for the things they or others are then they'll just have to adapt. Moving around definitions when a word becomes charged is so bothersome.
<gets of soapbox>
It's good soap, though.
JA-forreal
11-04-2005, 11:29 AM
Well I think one obstacle to the CG portion of Indie film making is the lack of collaborations. You got skills up to high heaven but not as many collab projects being made as possible.
I guess everyone has to eat.
I think the main thing that stops small cg film based projects is not so much money but organization, time management issues, self-esteem and passion. It's hard to get 5 people together in the living room to coordinate a home grown project of any kind. Then we may have some issues about our qualifications. Can a small group of regular people pull off a quality cg production? Do we have a strong desire to express ourselves visually?
Does every cg film need to be a blockbuster in order to serve as a valid form of entertainment?
Many of us on this forum can cook up really cool cg effects on the level of TV cg if not better. Add a good story that we would love to tell and who knows what we are capable of.
If we do cg on a budget could we really put out a laptop version of LOTR? A cg artist who works on a small project has a different approach to film production. Most people working at this scale don't own a multi million dollar film studio.
A small cg team is most likely inexperienced any form of major cg studio production.
Why not aim to produce a music video or 30 minute DVD series?
I grew up watching lot's of independent films and listening to independent music. A lot of this stuff was raw and unpolished. This small media was never up to the level of corporate media standards. But for most of the viewers of independent media this doesn't matter. As long as the content of the media appeals to us we will watch or listen.
Hollywood is more like brand label. Independent media is home grown. Brand labels take a broad impersonal research based approach to their markets. Hollywood markets films for just about anyone to watch. Home grown product producers know their markets personally. Most smaller producers of media only create content for an exclusive audience.
The problem with Hollywood is that most of it's productions aren't as focused on the needs of it's typical audience. And they keep missing this point over and over. Maybe they are relying purely on presumed market research for every film production. Where is the passion in this?
We are the cg artist. Some us may work on major media productions, most of us work with smaller forms of cg media. If anything the balls in our court as our efforts will determine the direction of cg media. I think that we cg artist scare Hollywood. At any time a group of us could get together and set off something big.
JMcWilliams
11-04-2005, 12:09 PM
At any time a group of us could get together and set off something big.
Yet we are all too busy procrastinating. ;)
JA-forreal
11-04-2005, 07:18 PM
Yet we are all too busy procrastinating. ;)
You said it. Once we define how much or how little we want to expend of our energies toward projects like this we can start. First we must stop limiting ourselves by complaining about our cg skill level or our experience in one area of the craft. Many of us can put together one compelling element of a cg film frame.
And we have to realize that these elements we draw, capture or render up don't need to be individually spectacular. All of the elements that we put together to complete a film as a whole can be finalized into something awesome.
We don't all have to use the same type of cameras, drawing pads or 3d software to make these pieces up. Some of us probably even have asset libraries of cg data elements that can be implemented into a project of some kind or another. Someone has some footage of a barn yard. Another person created a 3d scene of an old fashioned water pump and a rusty bucket. A 2d artist has a drawing of fruit that would make nice texture map. The 2d fruit images would look great as a label for an old weathered 3d crate model on a 3d software cdrom. Another person has this great narrative voice to read a farmers diary (http://www.aynho.net/farm.htm). And who has a copy of compositing software just waiting to be used to put all of these final image elements together?
Just look at the amount of cg that is displayed in our image galleries here on Cgtalk. We are spilling over the brim with cg talent. And what about all of the other cg forums, film forums, etc out there?
I could say that I don't have the time or energy to put together a small cg film project on my own. Most of us could say this. What if we had a forum that let's us all gather for individual projects based on what we can offer up?
It would have to be a “no strings attached” situation. All of our efforts would have to be volunteered. When we formed production teams we would have to publicly state our teams members and our project goals. We could keep our individual projects secret until we had something solid to promote. If our ideas as a group dried up we could regroup with others who have similar goals. Maybe people who know able real cg film production could moderate it. This forum could even be funded by cg product vendors and the like. Everyone who participated in projects would have to identify themselves. There could even be legal information available for these projects. Sponsors could research ongoing projects and find a project to back. Completed projects could be featured on the web and advertised to any and everybody. And another thing, passion would have to be the main driving force here not money. Money can always will show up later.
People would love us for giving them more entertainment options.
Maybe something will bring the coffee table and living room to us in a virtual manner. I don't know but it seems to me that many of us have the means. We just don't seem to think we have the will to follow through.
As far as paying the extortionary theatre prices...
-jokes aren't funnier on a bigger screen
-tears aren't more intense on a bigger screen
-explosions and fx are more impressive on a big screen with big sound
And at that, most of the heavy FX movies cost more to make, so I don't mind supporting the industry (and the guys doing CG :beer: )... even if the story/acting is mediocre *cough*ep3*cough*
For me, if it's not a big, FX heavy film, I can wait for it to come out on DVD.
knellotron
11-05-2005, 12:56 PM
When I saw Sprited Away on my day off, there was a class of developmentally challenged kids...when that shrouded thing started moaning, I wasn't sure if it was the movie or the audience.
When I saw the E.T. re-release, the theater had a kid who would shout out the name of a color everytime he saw a color on screen. It started right with the opening credits: "PURPLE!!!"
I guess the kid had just learned his colors and was *very* excited about it. He's probably just repeating some drill his parents taught him.
JeroenDStout
11-05-2005, 01:06 PM
When I saw the E.T. re-release, the theater had a kid who would shout out the name of a color everytime he saw a color on screen. It started right with the opening credits: "PURPLE!!!"
I guess the kid had just learned his colors and was *very* excited about it. He's probably just repeating some drill his parents taught him.
<writes down idea> Ideal for a sketch.
Ninjas
11-05-2005, 04:05 PM
The problem with Hollywood is that most of it's productions aren't as focused on the needs of it's typical audience. And they keep missing this point over and over. Maybe they are relying purely on presumed market research for every film production. Where is the passion in this?
Yes. I agree.
I think it is a waste for a person to even bother with a full CG feature, since nothing else in film making is as hard as CG. I can go out and shoot and end up with 30 minutes of solid finished film in a week or two. I can't emphasize this enough. If you are used to CG production, you will have no problem shooting video.
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