X05 - ["new" Xbox 360 news]

[Shade01]

Wow, the differences in visual quality of these games is HUGE (not the ones pictured here, but the overall lineup). For small or inexperienced or low budget developers, it's going to be painfully obvious when the resources aren't competitive to the bigger guys.

[PhilOsirus]

Hey is the guy in that Basketball picture stuck in his "T" modeling pose?:p And their clothing seem floaty! I guess the more realistic the graphics become, the weirder it looks.

Oh and hopefully this gap in quality will mean more developpers will work on the Revolution.

[heavyness]

-Wolfenstein 360
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/655/655726p1.html
id Software and Raven Software were already underway with the next installment of the Wolfenstein series. No special title or release date was specifically mentioned, but it was announced that the Xbox 360 would be the exclusive first platform to receive the title.

[DevilHacker]

You forgot one of the best games:
:D

Gears of War-
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655560/gears-of-war-20051003095639551.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/655/655560/gears-of-war-20051003095644817.jpg

[Geta-Ve]

I can safely say that I will be first in line. . .












To get my PS3 that is... Those screenies just don't do it for me, look like stuff the computer can already do (minus a few 'good' games) As per GOW I still saw almost all screens (at least in this thread) are beauty shots.

No doubt there will be fun games for xbO but seriously, I won't settle for anything that still has aliasing in it.

BTW, does anyone else notice how PDZ is the only game showing its "true" colors? By that I mean it is the only one that has ACTUAL in game pics.. and if that is any indication of what to expect from xbO...

[Bentagon]

I agree with the post above. PDZ is the only game showing an actual screenshot, and it also happened to be the only image in this line-up I thought didn't look good at all.

- Benjamin

[DoubleSupercool]

They look pretty sweet alright, however the GOW gameplay footage I have seen seems decidedly . . . average. I mean, the amount of polys was neat, but the animation look a bit lacklustre and it didn't seem to add much gameplay-wise to the genre. Then again, who knows until it's out. I will give all the systems 6months and decide then.

NB(A). I think the singlets are lifting off their bodies as they are both going "vertical" (jumping and driving).

[NUKE-CG]

Yeah, I'll judge the graphics when they're finalized and running on a store HDTV, and not a second sooner. Screenshot tampering should be a finable offense, then maybe I'd be more trusting.

[gavin_hughes]

if only every one were like u and judging games based on AA and screen shot and deciding to get a ps3 solely based on that.
i guss the folks at xb0 should only show tech demos, then maybe you would be the first in line for an xbO... that is until u see the ps3 tech demos.. or the revO...

I can safely say that I will be first in line. . .












To get my PS3 that is... Those screenies just don't do it for me, look like stuff the computer can already do (minus a few 'good' games) As per GOW I still saw almost all screens (at least in this thread) are beauty shots.

No doubt there will be fun games for xbO but seriously, I won't settle for anything that still has aliasing in it.

BTW, does anyone else notice how PDZ is the only game showing its "true" colors? By that I mean it is the only one that has ACTUAL in game pics.. and if that is any indication of what to expect from xbO...

[SheepFactory]

I hope the project gotham racing one is ingame , i miss being able to see the console of the car i am driving. The last game to do that was the old test drive 2.

[PhilOsirus]

if only every one were like u and judging games based on AA and screen shot and deciding to get a ps3 solely based on that.
i guss the folks at xb0 should only show tech demos, then maybe you would be the first in line for an xbO... that is until u see the ps3 tech demos.. or the revO...

No one said "OMG Xbox sux0rs and PS3 rox0rs". There is a gap in quality between those shots, and the GOW shots at beaty shots, the bloo effects show in the actual gameplay vids were no way like that.

Anyway the point is it is still difficult to know what games will actually look like until we see clear videos or see them on TV, and that applies to the PS3 as well.

[HappyCookie]

The Kameo gameplay video was quite impressive IMHO, and shows that other games screenshot could be in game screenshots...
By the way, did MS already lie to consumers showing them rendered stuff as being what would games be on xbox360 ? I mean, I know SONY did it for the PS2, and that's why I can't say anything about what has been shown as being PS3 stuff, but did MS act the same way ?

[deadplant155]

are any of you seriously going to buy a console based on which one's graphics are better?....what exactly is the reason you're playing a game? you want hyper-real, go for a walk outisde. Last i checked, most people play games for gameplay. i can't believe the "i won't settle for anything that still has aliasing". you play your games for the anti-aliasing??? good Lord. This isn't about console wars by the way, I've got all three 'current-gen' systems. making games look <i>better</i> is well and good, but it's not a deciding factor. Why do people play gameboys, DSes and PSPs, the graphics are so inferior! good heavens, i can see the mipmapping! what? you play sprite games, madness!? oh wait, maybe it's cuz they're fun. i've always enjoyed improvements in graphics and whatnot, but just as a side benefit. the gameplay's what matters. that's why i still play super mario brothers and the old sonic games, and final fantasy seven. good heavens, those are some emberassing graphics, but you know what? i don't give a flyin' rats a$$. seems like some people just need to wake up and remember what games are supposed to be FUN! it's just like movies, it's all about the graphics now, not the story or characters....freakin' a.

[heavyness]

No doubt there will be fun games for xbO but seriously, I won't settle for anything that still has aliasing in it.

so, you didn't play any PS2 game until a year after lauch and they figured out how to get rid of jaggies?

that's the lamist thing i've heard. so if you sat down at my house with the 360 and one of the launch titles, loved it, loved playing it online, loved the story, loved the control, you wouldn't go out and buy it cause the anti-alias wasn't at its highest setting....? come on.

[heavyness]

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/652/652961/dead-rising-20050922043812407.jpg
dead rising

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/652/652486/tom-clancys-ghost-recon-advanced-warfighter-20050920063547227.jpg
ghost recon



of the pictures i've posted, Ghost Recon, Perfect Dark, NBA2k, CoD, and GPR3 are in game graphics [just because the UI isn't there doesn't mean its not]. i know the Gears of War are "glamor" shots, and i know they were done within the game, using the game engine. Gears of War does look that damn good.

[heavyness]

-Too Human: Behind Closed Doors [this is Silicon Knights new game]
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/656/656104p1.html

-trailer [which kicks ass]
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/748/748783/vids_1.html

they are using the Unreal 3 Engine and it's going to be a trilogy...

[Valrik]

I hope the project gotham racing one is ingame , i miss being able to see the console of the car i am driving. The last game to do that was the old test drive 2.

Project Gotham Racing 3 cars consist of about 80,000 polys each. 40K inside, 40K outside. One of the default views the player has to choose from is the cockpit view. That is an in-game screenshot.

[Geta-Ve]

so, you didn't play any PS2 game until a year after lauch and they figured out how to get rid of jaggies?

that's the lamist thing i've heard. so if you sat down at my house with the 360 and one of the launch titles, loved it, loved playing it online, loved the story, loved the control, you wouldn't go out and buy it cause the anti-alias wasn't at its highest setting....? come on.

Ok, I admit that came out bad, but what I mean is that I don't really think aliasing should be a problem with the new consoles.. sure the games aren't final and what not but I mean the system comes out in a few months (doesn't it?) and some of the shots look.. bad..

But I mean, don't get me wrong there have been alot of fun games for XB, halo being the main one I liked, and I did really want to check out jade empire.. Jaggies really don't bother me all tooooo much, but all I'm saying is they shouldn't be in the next gen consoles..

er.. do I make sense at all? :p

(plus the only reason I say I am gonna get ps3 is because I just stick with sony, I have the ps1/2 and now I will get 3.. They haven't steered me wrong yet.. :D

edit: btw that dead rising game looks pretty cool :)

[kiaran]

With a line-up this good, I'll have to pick-up an Xbox 360. But then I have to get an HDTV too. This is going to be an expensive christmas...

[Solothores]

Hands-on report regarding Ghost Recon:
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3144362&did=1

The biggest question for anyone who's followed Ghost Recon: Advance Warfighter since its unveiling on Xbox 360 is: Does the actual game look anywhere near as good as the mindblowing trailer Ubisoft showed just before E3 this year? Well, disappointingly, no -- the next-gen dream is over, my friends. At least for the time being. The real version of Warfighter we played on the X05 show floor tonight was much more in line what you might expect from a nice, crisp, high-res version of a proper Ghost Recon sequel. But definitely nothing quite like the shock and awe we received when the first target video trailer made its somewhat misleading debut. But fret not, because while the actual game isn't quite as gritty or beautiful, Warfighter is still a very sweet shooter, especially for fans of these not-so-friendly ghosts.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancysghostrecon3/news.html?sid=6135046

Advanced Warfighter doesn't look quite as good as that superb trailer released back when the game was announced, but it doesn't stray too far from that footage, either. Imagine the same style of gameplay and the same effects, but in lower res and with a less consistent frame rate. More important, it seems the gameplay featured in the trailer is intact, and that should please fans of the series as much as any graphical upgrade. We'll bring you more on Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter in the weeks leading up to its release.

[iC4]

wow...dead rising looks awesome :eek:

[percydaman]

wow...dead rising looks awesome :eek:

yeah, well if that image is gameplay, Ill eat my hat. It looks like a vray render.

[_-_twiggy_-_]

meh just stick with your PS1 and a copy of FF7 ... its all you will ever need!...Indeed graphics help the experience of imersion to a point! but as games try to become more hyper-real you notice how poor some of the results are ... AKA the movie hulk etc ... movies and games are already crossing borders, game companys are trying to make awesome SFX in games to tempt you to buy the product, forget story, gameplay etc .. it just looks 'cool'! ... sad times...but great to people who dig all this, fairplay ... but PLEASE i want a game i can play for 99 hours str8 and still have so much to do in it AKA FF7!!! ....1997!!! bring it back!:D

[Solothores]

Well Oblivion will bring you some hundred hours worth of content, at least that is what was stated and I guess the same goes for Gothic III, but I guess you are right for a lot of other titles, I expect especially such killer applications as Gears of War to be awfully linear and maybe lasting not more than 15h till you finish it. (personal speculation)

[Aegis Prime]

yeah, well if that image is gameplay, Ill eat my hat. It looks like a vray render.

Really?? I see baked global illumination and a bloom filter... (oh, and dead people :D)

[Solothores]

Oblivion x05 movie footage... (well, well... if this trend continues)
http://rmjv.net/vi/oblivionx05gp1.wmv

[DuttyFoot]

i love video games. its nice to have good graphics, but its the story and gameplay that make it worthwhile in the end. when we use to play the nes or genesis what kept us hooked was the gameplay. as far as i am concerned all the hype about with console has better graphics is pointless because most of us will end up owning more than one of them. when i have the console hooked to my tv then i will see what the graphics really look like. all these screenshots and videos of how awesome the graphics are going to be are just tools to sell the consoles and games. i remember when i saw the screenshots and videos of gran turismo 4. i thought the graphics looked pretty good, but when i went to my cousins house and played it on his ps2 i couldnt believe how disappointing the graphics looked.
like someone said ff7 was awesome even though the graphics weren't all that. i remember when my cousin and i owned a ps1 and we both owned copies of ff7. that game was so long and good. i really hope these next gen games have good stories and not just a bunch of eye candy graphics because they will not be getting my 60 dollars. one of the biggest problems i have is when you play games like splinter cell and you take a guy out and hide is body behind a wall or just any object and his legs or arms are going through the object. when i played pandora tomorrow and that occured i couldn't understand why that is still happening. with all the advancement characters shouldnt be going through walls. another example is ultimate spiderman. i was fighting an asian gang that threw knives and axes. i hid behind a wall at one point and behind a car at another point and they were throwing axes at me. now these axes were coming through the wall and hitting spiderman. see crap like that i dont like. i would be very disappointed if these so called next gen games have that same issue.

[Solothores]

Perfect Dark ingame Footage x05 (showing a bit story/gameplay transition)
http://rapidshare.de/files/5941024/pdzx05gp1.wmv.html

Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter - gameplay footage (2 vids: "Beach/City")
http://www.playerone.be/news_details.php?id_news=3265

Kameo: Elements of Power - gameplay footage (3 vids: 1xCoop Mode/2xGameplay)
http://www.playerone.be/news_details.php?id_news=3266

- another video (huge, 821MB, 960x540, approx 20min runtime, torrent only)
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1741_en.html

DOA4 - gameplay footage (torrent only, 441MB, 960x540, nearly 6min)
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1744_en.html

Gun - gameplay footage (2 gameplay movies)
http://www.playerone.be/news_details.php?id_news=3263

PGR3 - gameplay footage (960x540, 2min22s)
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1743_en.html

[EpShot]

yeah, well if that image is gameplay, Ill eat my hat. It looks like a vray render.

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1781
as far as full sized, render quality up, obviously we have to wait till we have the console playing, but its looking pretty promising. Stilll won't buy one till the price drop a hundred tho' and theres a butt load of games out. And theres a godo chance i'll get a ps3 first, cause i want sonic:D

[polywrangler]

Clearly not all next gen games are created equal (GOW being the exception not the rule)

[Psyhke]

Oblivion x05 movie footage... (well, well... if this trend continues)
http://rmjv.net/vi/oblivionx05gp1.wmv

Obvlivion looks AMAZING! I don't know what you are trying to say with this link and this comment. But if you can't get excited about Oblivion (if you are an sort of RPG fan) then I just don't know what else to say. The videos showing the outdoors for this game are just incredible.

[Solothores]

Nah, I will buy Oblivion, it's not that visuals excellence is needed to attract me in rpgs, oblivion especially interests me because of the radiant ai, but:


To be perfectly honest, my initial impression of the graphics (the game was running on a high-def TV) was that they were disappointing. The Emperor and Imperial guard models looked a little rough, especially the former's, and certainly not as impressive as in the screenshots.

Unfortunately, it was also here that I encountered the most disappointing feature of hands-on time - the draw distance. You know that screenie with the knight looking out over a forest on horseback, (http://static.elderscrolls.com/images/art/ob_pc/obliv03B.jpg) and the forest goes on for ages in front of him? Well, what I saw was nothing like that. There was a completely blank fog of war about (rough guess here) 200-300 metres ahead of view. The walls of the city literally popped into view as I approached it, at least as bad as Morrowind did from my recollection. HOWEVER, I must stress that this is just a build version (I assume) and this may be fixed by release, or may even be an exception within the game. It did disappoint me, though.

the trend many hands-on reports from x05 seem to spread is: initial visual dissapointment.

what kinda bothers me is that bethesda really doesn't need to be another bandwagoneer on a train heading for beautopia... however the x05 gameplay video (though of bad quality) kinda supports the impression as well, since neat stuff (keyword: zombie in flames) is missing here, that was showed off before in the gamestop presentation.

Well, well we will see, it's still some time left and I know I will have an awesome time with it, no doubts about that.

Cheers
Solo

[Psyhke]

Nah, I will buy Oblivion, it's not that visuals excellence is needed to attract me in rpgs, oblivion especially interests me because of the radiant ai, but:

the trend many hands-on reports from x05 seem to spread is: initial visual dissapointment.

what kinda bothers me is that bethesda really doesn't need to be another bandwagoneer on a train heading for beautopia... however the x05 gameplay video (though of bad quality) kinda supports the impression as well, since neat stuff (keyword: zombie in flames) is missing here, that was showed off before in the gamestop presentation.

Well, well we will see, it's still some time left and I know I will have an awesome time with it, no doubts about that.

Cheers
Solo

Hmmm. I must be reading different reports than you, because I was honestly happy to see reports saying everything is shaping up very well. To say the trend is disappointment is simply not true. Whatever. If you want to be a negative-nelly and only look for and post things from people nit-picking, that's your prerogative I suppose.

Cheers and happy gaming to you.

[lovisx]

dark, badass, kick you in the balls = cheesy, corny

but visually these games look good

[Solothores]

Was that remit needed Psyhke? Is it so hard to stay fair on a board while sharing opinions without getting personal? ;) If you are the opinion that all gameplay footage of several xbox360 titles presented at X05 do look the same in visual quality, as they were advertised before in screenshots and trailers, it's your right.

Based on several reports I read, several titles don't live up to the awe-quality in opinion of others (that kinda infused the original hype in telling everybody how great all is (i.e. gamestop, 1up etc)), and that is the trend I was talking about, nothing else. I am not saying, those games will suck because of it.

Cheers & happy gaming to you as well
Solo

[Psyhke]

Was that remit needed Psyhke? Is it so hard to stay fair on a board while sharing opinions without getting personal? ;) If you are the opinion that all gameplay footage of several xbox360 titles presented at X05 do look the same in visual quality, as they were advertised before in screenshots and trailers, it's your right.

Based on several reports I read, several titles don't live up to the awe-quality in opinion of others (that kinda infused the original hype in telling everybody how great all is (i.e. gamestop, 1up etc)), and that is the trend I was talking about, nothing else. I am not saying, those games will suck because of it.

Cheers & happy gaming to you as well
Solo

Sorry, didn't mean for my post to come across as too personal. I am just stating that it appears you are blowing any negative criticisms out of proportion by making several posts, several links and quotes of ONLY criticisms, and then proclaimed the general concensus as dissapointment. Don't take it personally if I point that out. Even the Oblivion quote you referenced has many good things to say. Why not post some qood X05 and recent reports?

Gamepost: Let's get this out of the way first: Top Spin 2 looks like a bona fide next-generation game. The game looked fine at E3 2005, which is where we first saw the game running in playable form, but it seems to have made some good progress since then.

Gamespot: We won't mince our words: NBA 2K6 is looking sharp, indeed. Viewing the game running on 360 hardware, we were struck by all the visual treats--so many, in fact, that it was hard to focus on one particular thing for long. We went from admiring the impressive modeling detail and skin textures on Shaquille O'Neal's face one moment, to marveling at the astonishing cloth physics on player uniforms, which made for realistic undulations on them as the players drove to the basket or went up for a big block. Yes, it's only cloth physics, but it was still an impressive display and indicative of the 360's pixel-pushing power.

Gamespot: Condemned Hands On - The visuals are looking head and shoulders above what we saw the last time around thanks to refinements to the lighting and shadows. These tweaks go a long way toward lending an impressive amount of weight to the creepy cinematic flashback sequences that will pop up suddenly as you play.

Gamespot: Oblivion - The game may play much like previous entries in the Elder Scrolls series, but it's sure got a nice new coat of paint. Oblivion looks about as good as all those screenshots have led you to believe, what with its lifelike and expressive characters (who you'll see in extreme close-up during conversations) and its lavishly detailed environments.

IGN: Perfect Dark Zero - We then loaded up the single player and were immediately struck by how much more detailed the visuals were. The metropolitan rooftop level we were in stretched endlessly around us, full of glistening metal towers, flying cars, and gigantic translucent tubes. Again, despite the ridiculous amount of geometry and animation onscreen, we didn't notice any slowdown.

IGN: Oblivion - Overall the game was so far everything we hoped it could be. The environment was incredibly detailed, the voices were great, graphics smooth and believable, and the game felt much smoother and easier to control. This is one title we absolutely cannot wait to get more hands on time with.

This does not fit in with your suggested "trend of dissapointment". Again, apologies for coming across as an attack or insult previously. I just didn't understand where you're coming from, at all.

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