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Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 02:00 PM
NOW OPEN!!! OPEN FIGURE DRAWING WORKSHOP 005!!!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20005/Ben-Miller-and-Liang-Wang-A.jpg


Welcome to the FIFTH thread of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop!!!


Ben Miller's full gallery of images can be found at:
http://justmeina.deviantart.com/gallery/

Ben additionally moderates “The Figure Drawing Factory” http://figuredrawingfactory.info/


>>RULES FOR THE THREADS<<


1. Photographs are the property of Ben Miller and Liang Wang respectively and are copyrighted as such.

2. Photographs are NOT to be used for ANY other purpose apart from Figurative Drawing Reference for this thread on CGTalk.

3. The drawings created from the photo reference provided here MUST be TASTEFUL, SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, and for the purpose of serious study of the human figure. Those who post silly, disrespectful, or tasteless work will have their posts deleted immediately
and will no longer be allowed to post on this thread. Ben Miller, Liang Wang, Rebecca Kimmel, and Roberto Ortiz reserve the right to determine which drawings are considered to be in poor taste and / or disrespectful to the model/s, who have generously agreed to allow their images to be used on the condition that they be used for the tasteful and serious study of Figurative Art only.

4. There is NO TIME LIMIT for posting on this thread.

5. New threads containing new photographs will be posted on a bi-weekly basis, depending on the number of photographs available.

6. There is NO LIMIT to the NUMBER of posts an artist may make. However, we ask that you post only your BEST WORK, even if it is considered unfinished.

7. Artists who post comments and critiques of other artists' work on this thread must be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, and offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Flaming will be NOT be tolerated, and constitutes dismissal from this and other threads.

8. I will be offering the occasional comments / critique ~ however, the main focus of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop threads should be on Group Critique and interaction. :)

9. ANY MEDIUM or STYLE may be used: Traditional or Digital Drawing or Painting, Gestural, Sketch, Finished Render, etc.

10. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

11. Please limit the SIZE of your POSTS to 800 pixels WIDTH x Appropriate pixel LENGTH. No huge posts, please!

12. Have fun, enjoy, and create great art! :)

LINKS to Photographs: WARNING: Nudity:

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20004/zhuzhu_picture-1.jpg) MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 1 ~ Ben Miller, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20005/Ben_02.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 2 ~ Ben Miller, Nude (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20005/Ben_03.jpg)

MODEL PHOTOGRAPH 3 ~ Liang Wang, Clothed (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20005/Liang_02_small.jpg)

PLEASE NOTE: WIP (Work In Progress) images are an important part of the OFDWs and are encouraged. Please DO post WIP images as you work on your pieces. :)

Good luck! :)



~Rebeccak, Ben Miller, and Liang Wang

Amerasu
10-03-2005, 03:26 PM
Wonderful! What great photos. I'm excited to start the new 005 workshop! Thanks to Ben Miller and Liang Wang for the fantastic poses and photos :)

Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 03:29 PM
Amerasu,

Looking forward to seeing your work! You know, as a side note, I saw your piece in the Caricatures thread, and it's amazing! :applause: But for some reason, I haven't been able to reply to the darn thread for 2 days, and it's driving me nuts! :D But anyhoo, just wanted to let you know it's a great piece! Thanks for posting it. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

dbclemons
10-03-2005, 03:34 PM
Great photos Rebecca. I like that you've got a clothed model this time. I look forward to seeing the art and hopefully making a contribution.

-David

Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 03:42 PM
David,

I agree, the photos are great! Look forward to seeing your and everyone's work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Knilblink
10-03-2005, 03:45 PM
Liang is Mike.rol's girlfriend ~ so, sorry guys, she is not available. :)

Hearts around the world just stopped beating, did you feel that? :D

Another round of great reference images, thanks to the models and hosts of the thread. Although, I'm still working off of Zhuzhu's images, I'll try to move my focus over here shortly to join in the fun.

Cheers! Any bets as to who posts their work first? :)

Samanthie
10-03-2005, 03:45 PM
These are great Rebecca! Thank you Ben and Liang.:)

electricsketchbook
10-03-2005, 03:46 PM
These are some nice shots. Big time thanks to Ben and Liang :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

default-rol
10-03-2005, 03:55 PM
Everyone,

Liang was glad she could help out. :thumbsup:

I am sure that some of the work you guys will make over the coming weeks will become instant desktop in her dads office.:)

Good luck all, and if I have time I will try to contribute this round too.

MIKE (Liang's BF :scream: )

Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 03:55 PM
Hearts around the world just stopped beating, did you feel that? :D

Another round of great reference images, thanks to the models and hosts of the thread. Although, I'm still working off of Zhuzhu's images, I'll try to move my focus over here shortly to join in the fun.

Cheers! Any bets as to who posts their work first? :)
ROFL...:scream:...no problem! Please do continue to work on OFDW 004. :) Like Denny's, it's always open. :)

Hmm...my bet's on zhuzhu! :scream:

I am sure that some of the work you guys will make over the coming weeks will become instant desktop in her dads office.:)

Good luck all, and if I have time I will try to contribute this round too.

MIKE (Liang's BF :scream: )
ROFL...better stake your claim now, buddy! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-03-2005, 04:49 PM
Denny's is not the place to eat anymore. Tacobell is in now.

I think that I'll take a shot at this one fo' sho. LOL. More fuel for the Mixtape.:buttrock:

b2dermawan
10-03-2005, 05:29 PM
just a quick word as i'm on the road now.
what great poses! many thanks to ben miller and liang for doing it:thumbsup: . and i'm thrilled that we're doing clothed figure this time. will try to contribute something when i've reached home this mid-week. so, definetely count me in.

NOOB!
10-03-2005, 09:19 PM
i may aswell join in since i'm outta pratice-ness,just as long as rebecca doesn't count my commenting on others work as spam like always:rolleyes:

Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 09:28 PM
NOOB! What's that I hear! Why, it's the world's tiniest violin.! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/possumblog/tinyviolin.gif :scream: ROFL, you're MORE than welcome to join in...I see you've got some great work goin' there on your WIP thread...and you do great work when we can eke it outta ya, lol! :)

Nah, we love ya NOOB...it's just some days we wanna kill ya. :)

Cheers, hugs, laughs, tears, the occasional affectionate beratement, :)

~Rebeccak

moraisins
10-03-2005, 09:59 PM
hi Rebeccak,

These photos look great! i recently took a bunch of pics of my roommate and me to create my own 'figure drawing' class, but this one looks great to join!

I'm kind of new to CGSociety, so I'm not sure how all this works. do we have to create a concept theme out of each photo or are these for rough/sketching practicing purposes?

it's great you're doing this!!
moraisins

pushav
10-03-2005, 09:59 PM
Cheers! Any bets as to who posts their work first? :)

Me!
Quick gesture with ballpoint pen about 30 sec.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/pushav/sketches/miscld.jpg

Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by moraisins: These photos look great! i recently took a bunch of pics of my roommate and me to create my own 'figure drawing' class, but this one looks great to join!

I'm kind of new to CGSociety, so I'm not sure how all this works. do we have to create a concept theme out of each photo or are these for rough/sketching practicing purposes?

it's great you're doing this!!
moraisins,

Great to have you with us! :)

We have run 4 previous Open Figure Drawing Workshops (OFDWs), all of which can be found linked here:

Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)
(See Post # 3)

Please feel free to check these out to see how the other OFDWs have gone...there is a lot of incredible work ~ you might want to start looking through a few of these, and go from the back to the front, as more finished work is posted towards the back. :)

You may draw / paint / sculpt from the photos in whatever way you wish ~ if you wish to add bkgrds to figures, etc., that is totally fine, so long as the work is done in good taste. :)

I encourage everyone to post WIP (Work in Progress) as it allows everyone to critique and be critiqued in a positive way, and also lets everyone share their work processes.

Great to have you aboard, and look forward to your work!

pushav,

Nice work so far! This blocked~in approach works well for you. I think you ought to try the same blocked~in approach with a grayscale painting of this in either Photoshop, or preferably, for you, Painter. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-03-2005, 10:12 PM
I can't do that when it comes to painting. I always use the coloring book approach.

Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 10:14 PM
I can't do that when it comes to painting. I always use the coloring book approach.
Why not try Sheff's technique traditionally? Or, instead of painting additively, paint subtractively? In other words, create a drawing. Create a new layer above the drawing layer, fill it with 50% white. Create a new layer above that layer, fill it with 75% black. Erase out with a low opacity eraser from the darker layer to find the highlights. The key, you know, is to try stuff out and practice. Saying "I can't do that" wears out after a while. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-03-2005, 10:21 PM
Why not try Sheff's technique traditionally? Or, instead of painting additively, paint subtractively? In other words, create a drawing. Create a new layer above the drawing layer, fill it with 50% white. Create a new layer above that layer, fill it with 75% black. Erase out with a low opacity eraser from the darker layer to find the highlights. The key, you know, is to try stuff out and practice. Saying "I can't do that" wears out after a while. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

I have tried all of that stuff and it never comes out looking good. So I went back to the coloringbook style. I have to say inbetween the lines lol.:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-03-2005, 10:26 PM
:rolleyes: It's like this (http://www.eyeonsoaps.com/dentist.JPG)...

pushav
10-03-2005, 10:42 PM
What is that?

Amerasu
10-04-2005, 01:12 AM
Here's mine so far and I've included WIPs up to this point.

I start off with a really quick sketch, 1 min, no more. Then I refine it a bit (or a lot!) and make sure the outline is fairly accurate. My next step is to block in big colours. Then I ditch the line sketch and start in on the shading. And that's where I'm at now. I should say this is how I work in Photoshop, with layers. In Painter I just start right in with blobs of paint.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/005ben2_wip.jpg

I think I'm also going to try one of these pics in a traditional medium as I barely crack open my sketchbook.

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 03:01 AM
Amerasu,

Seeing the step~by~step like this is fabulous! I would encourage others who have the time or inclination to do the same. :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

mybutterflyiris
10-04-2005, 04:50 AM
well, i needed a break from the challenge, and I wanted to experiment with some brushes...so here i am. I am working light to dark on this...fyi
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/mightyevilbunny/liang.jpg

MichaelZHsee
10-04-2005, 04:59 AM
will definitely squish in some time to do one of this,havent been practicing my figurative sketching for awhile now~:scream:nice going mybutterflyiris and amerasu.:)

zhuzhu
10-04-2005, 05:35 AM
It's my turn~~~:twisted:

Blue wax pencil on sketch pad:


http://usera.imagecave.com/zhuhaibobo/571.jpg

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 05:41 AM
mybutterflyiris,

Nice start! :) Think about the major axes first, and details second. Can't wait to see where this goes! :)

sh@ke,

It would be great to have you here! Sh@ke off the rust, babe! :scream:

zhuzhu,

ROFL...:scream:...Go for it! :) Great work ~ but is that right leg too thin?

Cheers guys! :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
10-04-2005, 02:13 PM
I'm in...my first WIP ...you got to start somewhere ;)
http://67.109.19.186/005-1.gif

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 02:31 PM
drawMonger,

ROFL...very funny! But if you become another pushav, I'll shoot you. :scream:

In all seriousness, looking forward to what you will be doing for this OFDW! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

justmeina
10-04-2005, 03:50 PM
I just wanted to say a quick "hi" and offer my thanks to Rebecca and everyone for allowing me to be a part of this OFDW. I very much enjoy supporting artists and artworks as a model and in any way that I can and I hope that my contributions toward that end are helpful. Thanks for the appreciative comments. I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far and looking forward to seeing everything that develops. I do very much admire artistic talent, perhaps especially given that I have so painfully little of it myself....

NOOB!
10-04-2005, 04:04 PM
http://www.animationforum.net/users/noob/images/bleh.jpg

yeh? needs work eh?

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 04:29 PM
I just wanted to say a quick "hi" and offer my thanks to Rebecca and everyone for allowing me to be a part of this OFDW. I very much enjoy supporting artists and artworks as a model and in any way that I can and I hope that my contributions toward that end are helpful. Thanks for the appreciative comments. I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far and looking forward to seeing everything that develops. I do very much admire artistic talent, perhaps especially given that I have so painfully little of it myself....
Ben, it's great to have you here! Your contribution is amazing, and we're all inspired to do better work because of you. :) Hopefully you will continue to contribute and be a part of the OFDWs. :thumbsup:

NOOB!,

Good god, do my eyes deceive me? Not...spam? :) Good work here, but I think you need to slow down and consider each line. Looking forward to seeing more progress ~ will you be working digitally?

Cheers,

~Rebecca

NOOB!
10-04-2005, 04:36 PM
consider each line? at which stage ? *probably all* but where at the most?

digital is annoying,too many cheats,i'll stick to traditional,that was more of a pratice,i'll do another with sum proper shading and blending.

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 04:44 PM
NOOB,

Why not do an in~depth study of just, say, his right leg? This will teach you to study more closely detail. Right now you have a decent all over start, but where do you go from there if you are working in pen? Once you have committed the basic lines in pen, that's about the end of it ~ so if you are not hard~core focused from the beginning when working in pen, you will end up with a mediocre, permanent result.

What I suggest is to start out in pencil and rough in the major forms (for any type of drawing ~ full figure, or focused study of an individual body part, like the leg). Tighten up your pencil drawing until you are reasonably confident that you are ready to go in and add more detail with pen. You may wish to scan your pencil drawing before you ink it so you have that as a backup. Then, carefully study the area of interest closely and do a fine pen study, using a fine nibbed pen.

Good luck, and post your results.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

NOOB!
10-04-2005, 04:54 PM
alrighty,actually it was done with a really sharp charcoal pencil.

on a4.....

guess its time to bus out the a3.

thanks for the tips,stay tuned.

b2dermawan
10-04-2005, 05:03 PM
pushav: hei not bad for just a 30 sec gesture:thumbsup:. as you've got the basic proportions quite correctly. now, how about more strife to develop it further?

Amerasu: great to see how you work. tones looking great as usual. keep updating.

mybutterflyiris: she'slooking great! maybe if you want more painting approach, try to do big blocks first (w/ big brushes) and left detailing for last. nice use of colors so far.

zhuzhu : Damn! stunning as usual!

drawMonger: yours don't load for me. my browser kinda having prob with .gif format methink:scream:.

NOOB!: nice steps, and it has very classical feel to it. my 2-cents is to put more contrast on the rendering, right now the highlights are too much and too even through-out the fig. looking forward to your update.

.............
i'm sharing a hotel room w/ a colleague r now, thus to avoid any "akward" situations from painting naked guys (including the one for class 04) guess i'll do Liang's pose first:D . what i have so far:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/liangwip1.jpg

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 05:20 PM
b2,

Awesome start you have here! I love the way you are approaching the dress. Take a look at Sargeant's work: (Below is a Reproduction, followed by the Original)

http://www.artunframed.com/images/samples8/sarge1.jpg

http://www.artunframed.com/images/samples8/sarge1.jpg

ROFL, the above is a Reproduction. Below is the Original. :)

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/s/sargent/lady_agnew.jpg
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/s/sargent/lady_agnew.jpg (http://www.abbeville.com/images-catalog/full-size/0789207486.jpg)

Have you seen his work before? I imagine you have, but you never know. :)

The main thing I would recommend right now is to try to warm up the skin tones, and make the texture feel a bit more moist, like skin. But you've a nice start there for sure!

Great stuff, definitely look into him further. :)

Looking forward to those updates! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
10-04-2005, 05:26 PM
b2, love your pic :scream: sorry about the blank image...my attempt at being funny :D

so far i've got a block in (is that what it's called? i think i remember reading one of Rebecca's tutorials about starting off a figure, but can't find the tutorial) and one focusing on opposing curves.

http://67.109.19.186/misc/005-1-1.jpg http://67.109.19.186/misc/005-1-2.jpg

Ben, This is a *fantastic* pose...i really love the strong angles. there's a real art deco feel to it.:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 05:30 PM
sorry about the blank image...my attempt at being funny :D
drawMonger, ROFL, my nerves are frayed from being heckled by pushav...forgive me. :scream:

Great start you have here! I love to see peoples' process like this. :) Well, if your first OFDW was any indication, I think we can look forward to some great stuff from you! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

mybutterflyiris
10-04-2005, 05:32 PM
I heart Sargeant!

Anywho...funny, I thought I was actually keeping it pretty loose and non-detailed :shrug:
Well anyways, this really was a just for fun random distraction excercise thing, so I prob'lly won't do much more to it. But I did go back and do an anatomy correction thingy....i really don't know the proper term for it, if there is one... i gues i should say it's a readdressing in line??? ...i don't know i'm rambling now so i'll quit and just show you the image lol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/mightyevilbunny/liang2.jpg

drawMonger
10-04-2005, 05:38 PM
drawMonger, ROFL, my nerves are frayed from being heckled by pushav...forgive me. :scream:
pushav...keep up the good work :twisted:

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 05:52 PM
pushav...keep up the good work :twisted:
Yeah, I ban both of you. :)

mybutterflyiris,

Cool to see your draw~over ~ sure you don't want to tweak with this a bit more? :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

b2dermawan
10-04-2005, 06:06 PM
Rebeccak: damn! i've seen this pic before in a small pictorial book about great american artists, though doesn't really remember the artist, the pic is pretty stayed in my mind. but that was like around 2 years ago and looking at it again as it is now is very-very intimidating:eek: ! surely you're not expecting me to even come close w/ this:scream: ? but i know you want me to study his way of painting esp. clothes (which is just amazing) no? thanks for giving me the direction:thumbsup: , i'll see what i can do.
Btw, do you know what size is the original painting? as i can't really see or feel the brushstrokes in this pic which usually quite keenly seen in oil paintings.

drawMonger: thanks. and haha now i know what u meant. great development btw, great that you've picked some focus edges to work upon. plan to paint it digitally?

mybutterflyiris: yeah it's always good to come back again at the pic and see what can be fixed. good for you!

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 06:15 PM
b2,

ROFL, if I thought any one of us could paint like Sargent, I would give that person a million dollars. :) No, he's someone to admire and copy and learn from. Amazing person.

Here is what Google tells me about Sargent's painting:
http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/Lady_Agnew.htm

Lady Agnew of Lochnaw
John Singer Sargent -- American painter
1892-93
National Gallery of Scotland, Edinburgh
Oil on canvas
124.5 x 99.7 cm (49 x 39 1/4 in.)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

b2dermawan
10-04-2005, 06:30 PM
Rebeccak: Thanks! google! why can't i think of it:scream: ? damn so it's not a huge canvass, but how he managed to keep the flows so natural??! i guess w simple strokes yet w/ variant pressures? anyway, will ponder more on it later. Thanks again!

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 06:34 PM
b2,

ROFL...Yes...Google is your friend! :scream:

~Rk

Vahn
10-04-2005, 07:14 PM
b2,

ROFL, if I thought any one of us could paint like Sargent, I would give that person a million dollars. :)


~Rebeccak

Ok its on ! ill be back in 6 months ... you just wait .... :arteest:

umbrellasky
10-04-2005, 08:08 PM
cool! :D great work so far everyone!

Some of you have probably already seen this but I will post here too :D (some parts are messed up like his leg, hehe very crinkly :p but yeah nothing I can really do about that other than do another sketch. if I have the time I will)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/enialadam/anatomy4.jpg

justmeina
10-04-2005, 08:15 PM
I was thinking you had a head start on this one, enialadam :) .

NOOB!
10-04-2005, 08:27 PM
progress on the leg study...

http://www.animationforum.net/users/noob/images/legwip.jpg

enialadam: looks excellent

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Vahn: Ok its on ! ill be back in 6 months ... you just wait .... :arteest:
ROFL...:bounce:

enialadam,

I think it's entirely appropriate for you to post this piece here, even if it was done earlier ;) ~ after all, you were the person to 'discover' Ben, for which I am really grateful! :)

NOOB,

Nice stuff! :thumbsup: What medium did you say you are using again? I might try doing a cross~hatching piece in pencil. When you're cross~hatching, try to follow the form closely, as though you are an ant on the surface of the object, Try not to use long, straight hatches, but curve them slightly as you follow the underlying form. Good stuff, keep it coming! :)

Good stuff, guys ~ keep going! :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

NOOB!
10-04-2005, 09:20 PM
I'm using charcoal pencils,have to sharpen em every 2 seconds hah,but i prefer the feel of em compared to a pen,it was monotoned in photoshop to give it the brownish look,heh,its actually black and white.

I need one of em electric sharpeners.and i was looking at sum of ur work as inspiration,i dunno how u do it,i must say its very difficult to follow the form with cross hatch,since cross hatching is lines goin opposite ways.

all in practice i guess,thanks,more tommorow hopefully.

Amerasu
10-04-2005, 10:53 PM
Here's where I'm at now. I'll probably finish it up tonight and then move on to the next one in pencil or something else traditional.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/005_wip2.jpg

NOOB I like the leg studies. The cross hatching looks solid (something I wish I could do). I also like your initial pen sketch quite a lot. Nice work so far :)

enialadam Very nice! I especially like the style. The two areas I noticed that seem a little out are his left arm, specifically the lower part of it and the hand. His left leg also seems a little thin at the thigh. I understand you'd have to do a new version to fix those areas but thought I'd point them out just in case :)

mybutterflyiris Good start! Please keep at it, she looks good. I agree with Rebecca though, save the details til you've got it all mapped out.

b2dermawan That's a really good likeness already. It's such a gentle, mellow pose and I think you've captured it really well so far. I like what you've done with the dress as well. I think it's a really sensible approach with all of those crazy folds and whatnot. Great stuff :)

drawMonger Looking good with the shapes so far

zhuzhu Excellent! You're very inspiring :)

pushav Nice work for 30 seconds worth

I hope I didn't miss anyone.

I love that Sargeant painting and when I finish the Hals copy, I'm going to give it a try. It's so very beautiful.

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 11:07 PM
Amerasu,

Wow, fantastic work so far! Due to a bit of a time crunch, I probably won't be able to offer much more than just comments for the time being, but I definitely like to see what's going on. :)

You continue to impress me with how fast you are! Wow, that's pretty amazing, especially for such a short period of time! :)

Will you be defining more of the musculature in the back and in his leg? Ben has a great back, I always envy those with that kind of defined musculature ~ well, I wouldn't want to look mannish, but there are women with incredibly beautiful, muscular backs also. :) I think it would add a lot to your already nice piece to give it a bit more definition in those areas. To me, the musculature is what makes the pose interesting.

Great stuff, and thanks again for showing your process! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

NOOB!
10-04-2005, 11:33 PM
but there are women with incredibly beautiful, muscular backs also. :)

i'm sorry...but eh?

*shudders*

great work amer,did u find em colours urself or did u just use the eye dropper tool?

Amerasu
10-05-2005, 12:32 AM
Thanks Noob. I find them myself. Using the dropper doesn't help me learn so I try not to touch it if I'm using a photo ref. I find that I can usually get colours to match ok now though I still struggle with grays that have colour reflected in them. I don't think there's anything wrong with using the dropper tool when you're starting out though. It's hard to judge colour in some cases. I think any learning tools are good as long as they don't become a crutch.

I also like when people here (in Rebecca's workshop) use their own colour schemes. It's interesting to see the colours people choose.

Amerasu
10-05-2005, 12:35 AM
I missed your post there, Rebecca. Yes, I'll definitely be defining more muscle. It's an intriguing back, full of shapes and definition and I hope I'm able to do it justice by the time I've finished! Thanks for the feedback :)

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 12:37 AM
Amerasu,

No prob! :) I agree with NOOB, your colors are amazingly accurate ~ it's great that you are picking them on your own ~ wow, speed and precision!!! I am duly impressed! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Loulu79
10-05-2005, 03:01 AM
:cry: Waaaaah! Ya'll start without me! No fair....oh well c'est la vie...

Not bad for everyone for a start though...Rebeccak...is it too late to add also a male model with clothes on? I should've mentioned that before this...maybe for the next Workshop? Because you see I always tend to have men in "tights": You still see the muscles through their jackets and shirts and pants. That's one of my biggest issues.

The pics here are exactly what I need to practise. Men's backs for me...like everwhere else ... tends to be my biggest issues....besides cloth wrinkels, folds and drapery.

Thanks Rebeccak. ;)

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 03:18 AM
Loulu79,

You're welcome! ;) ROFL, you've only missed one day. :) I am working on getting additional clothed models, but for the time being they are a bit hard to come by. :) Would it be okay for the next Workshop? If you have reference in mind, sure, email it or a link to me (provided the person photographed agrees) and I'll add it to this OFDW. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Amerasu
10-05-2005, 05:37 AM
I didn't manage to finish it but am nearing completion. I need to work on the legs and feet mainly.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/005_wip3.jpg

Started on the other one with a quick charcoal and some pencil bits to see how I get on. I'm not experienced in traditional drawing. The last time I did it (semi) seriously was in high school art so I'm very out of practice. I've been spoiled with digital sketcing. It's stupid but half the time I make a mistake with a pencil, I say "undo" in my head. Gah...

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/cgtalk/005_wip_traditional.jpg

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 05:46 AM
Amerasu,

Wow, some pretty amazing stuff ~ hats off to you! :)

That right hand is starting to look darn near photo~realistic! And the head is really impressive as well. Great to see you develop the back subtly. He almost has a presence! Wow! :thumbsup:

I think the next step is just bringing the entire figure up to the level of that hand ~ I needn't tell you that the lower portion is much less finished than the upper. It's also quite enjoyable to see your pencil studies...the rightmost one is quite nice! I think we all say 'undo' to ourselves ~ I do that if I drop something, lol! :) The other day I nearly said to a live person, "ROFL" ~ :scream:. This is what modern life has turned us all into. :)

Great stuff! Minor crits are that the left hand and feet just look a tad smallish ~ but overall, amazing job! Look forward to the final piece! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

justmeina
10-05-2005, 05:50 AM
At the risk of spamming the thread and if my thoughts count :shrug: , looking good Amerasu! :thumbsup: :applause:

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 05:59 AM
At the risk of spamming the thread and if my thoughts count :shrug: , looking good Amerasu! :thumbsup: :applause:
Ben, your thoughts absolutely count!! :thumbsup: I think it's great that you want to participate in the Workshop. I found out recently that the female model for OFDWs 001 and 002 had seen the work we had done and really liked it, which I think is fabulous! Please chime in whenever you feel like doing so. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

csgirl
10-05-2005, 06:48 AM
I've been so busy, I haven't had a chance to participate in any of the anatomy threads yet, even though that tend to be my weakest area.

http://stringfellowart.net/images/figures/005-combined.jpg


The finished piece:
http://stringfellowart.net/images/figures/005-e.jpg

I think I'll do one with color next. Have to work on skin tones.

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 06:52 AM
csgirl,

Great to see your work here! I think you've got a great start, but might I recommend continuing to work on and refine this piece, vs. starting another from scratch? :)

Definitely hope to see more of your work on the Anatomy forum! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

csgirl
10-05-2005, 07:11 AM
Well, gee anything for you Rebeccak! :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 07:20 AM
csgirl,

ROFL, I don't know if I'm being mocked...but, whatever, it's funny! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

zhay13
10-05-2005, 07:39 AM
10 minutes sketch: line,basic form, muscle gropus, basic shading and basic color
..http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/zhay13/sketchben_03.jpg

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 07:54 AM
zhay13,

Good to see your work here! Is this a WIP?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

csgirl
10-05-2005, 07:58 AM
Here you go Rebecca. Time for bed now!

http://stringfellowart.net/images/figures/005-f.jpg

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 08:02 AM
csgirl,

Wow! That's a pretty impressive leap! :thumbsup: Hope you didn't do it just for me! :scream: Great stuff!! You've really nailed the head and the right hand ~ great work there! I also like the texture of the skin and your values in the back are working great so far. :) Will you be continuing more with this piece? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

csgirl
10-05-2005, 08:04 AM
Well of course I did! :D But I'm glad I kept working on it, I like it much better. I might do a bit more tomorrow (i'm sure I'll look at it and see all kinds of things to fix). But next I'll do something in color.

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 08:08 AM
I might do a bit more tomorrow (i'm sure I'll look at it and see all kinds of things to fix). But next I'll do something in color.
Schweet!!! I'm really impressed with your and Amerasu's speed ~ personally, I'm slow as rocks, so it's nice to see not everyone is so impaired. :scream: Great stuff, you said Anatomy was your weakness?? Looking good so far ~ must not be a crippling handicap. ;)

Great stuff! Looking forward to color pieces! :thumbsup:

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

csgirl
10-05-2005, 08:13 AM
Great stuff, you said Anatomy was your weakness?? Looking good so far ~ must not be a crippling handicap. ;)

Well...ya. I do alright when I have a photo for reference, especially if its a good one like this. But when I try to make it up (and can't find any references), I faily pretty badly. :shrug: I paint mostly women, so I can do them pretty well, but I hardly ever paint men, so I really need to study there. But we learn by doing, right? I hope that by doing enough studies using photos and such, i'll have an easier time when I don't have any reference.

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 08:20 AM
csgirl,

Hey, what is your bkgrd / training? Obviously art! But can you tell us something more specific? :)

I hope that by doing enough studies using photos and such, i'll have an easier time when I don't have any reference.
Hey, you know, if you are going to be committed to doing anatomical studies, why not create your own personal thread and call it Anatomy Thread of csgirl? You are welcome to do this so long as you will be posting to it regularly (within reason). :) You're still more than welcome to post to any of the other threads here ~ but you may get more critique if people can see your progress over time. Food for thought. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

csgirl
10-05-2005, 08:28 AM
csgirl,

Hey, what is your bkgrd / training? Obviously art! But can you tell us something more specific? :)

Hehe, actually, I've have very little, to zero offical art training. I would say 90% of what I've learned, I've learned through trial and error, and through other great artist in places like this. I graduated from Biola University last May (in southern California) with an English Writing degree. I decided to go into writing instead of art because I thought I would have better chances making money writing than doing art. I've changed my mind on that matter, but I'm not sorry that I majored in English. Now I can do art AND write. I got my first copy of Potoshop my freshman year in college (five years ago) and my first (crapy) tablet a year after that. My art really started to improve when I got an Intuos 3 for Christmas, almost a year ago. Right now I'm working as a graphic designer/receptionist/web master at a church. Some day I hope to illustrate my own children's books.


Hey, you know, if you are going to be committed to doing anatomical studies, why not create your own personal thread and call it Anatomy Thread of csgirl? You are welcome to do this so long as you will be posting to it regularly (within reason). :) You're still more than welcome to post to any of the other threads here ~ but you may get more critique if people can see your progress over time. Food for thought. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

I'll think about it. Right now my schedule is a little full, so I'm not sure how regularly I would be able to post. But we'll see.

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 08:35 AM
csgirl,

Thanks for the info! It's always cool to hear about people's non~virtual lives. :)

Ah, cool, I knew someone who went to Biola years ago...she really liked it a lot. It was pretty close, I think, to Pasadena? I went to school in So. Cal, so I'm a bit familiar with the schools around there.

Hey, I think it's great you do both art and writing. And I always marvel at people who are self~taught. As for me, if someone doesn't show me how to do something, I'm a bit hard pressed to learn. :scream:

No worries if you don't want to post a personal Anatomy thread ~ that's what all of the other zillions of threads here are for! :) If you can think of it, we probably have a thread for it ~ just do a search, and you'll most likely turn up a thread for your desired category. :)

Well, we're happy to have you in OFDW 005 ~ it's exciting to see all of the cool work being posted. I hope that when you have time after the OFDW, you will continue to contribute to the Anatomy forum! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
10-05-2005, 10:09 AM
great development btw, great that you've picked some focus edges to work upon. plan to paint it digitally?
Thanks b2 :) yes, the next few days are pretty hectic for me, but with some luck i'll get another update done soon in photoshop.

Amerasu and csgirl. Thumbs up from me :thumbsup:

drawMonger
10-05-2005, 01:38 PM
trying to get the values under control
http://67.109.19.186/misc/005-1-3.jpg

justmeina
10-05-2005, 01:44 PM
by csgirl: Well...ya. I do alright when I have a photo for reference, especially if its a good one like this. But when I try to make it up (and can't find any references), I faily pretty badly. :shrug: I paint mostly women, so I can do them pretty well, but I hardly ever paint men, so I really need to study there. But we learn by doing, right? I hope that by doing enough studies using photos and such, i'll have an easier time when I don't have any reference.Well, happy to have been of help then :) (and would be willing to help more, however/if I can, BTW). I must say if that was relatively "weak" your "strong" must be quite a sight.

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 03:15 PM
Nice textured lay~in there, drawMonger. :) Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to render the image while keeping this nice, gestural feel. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

AnimZiggy
10-05-2005, 03:26 PM
how can i resist such a cute bottom..he he.. sorry. Animation Mentor is taking up all my free time but I had some time today on my lunch break.. So here it goes. Unfinished but it probably stay that way..
http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/3196/image0039si.png (http://imageshack.us)

thanks for the photos justmeina..:D

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 03:56 PM
Great to see you here, 'ziggy! :) Hope you will have more time for us on your breaks. :)
If you get the chance, I hope you finish this ~ a nice, blocked in start!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

justmeina
10-05-2005, 04:35 PM
by anim_ziggy: how can i resist such a cute bottom..he he.. sorry. LOL!

Looks like a reference from my deviantart gallery :thumbsup:

thejeff
10-05-2005, 04:59 PM
great photos. i want to thank the models and rebecca personally as this is just what i have been looking for to hone my skills and knowledge. the pose i chose to work on yesterday really struck me as ruben-esque, so i decided to try a digital chalk rendering on a toned ground, a la rubens. fyi, i gridded the pic and my 'canvas' first and began roughing in (a classic method of speeding the process which really helps with proportion. i am resisting the urge to re-invent the wheel at this point in my life, as i have put productivity on a higher shelf of late). the three stages presented here pretty much represent beginning, middle, and end. done in painter in about 4 1/2 hours, give or take. i intend on frequenting this forum, as my study of the previous threads has led me to see this as very much the equivalent of a cyber-studio life drawing group. thanks for providing such a valuable resource!

csgirl
10-05-2005, 05:21 PM
csgirl,

Thanks for the info! It's always cool to hear about people's non~virtual lives. :)

Ah, cool, I knew someone who went to Biola years ago...she really liked it a lot. It was pretty close, I think, to Pasadena? I went to school in So. Cal, so I'm a bit familiar with the schools around there.

Biola is about 15 minutes north on the 5 from Disneyland, in La Mirada. It actually has a great art program. I did take two art classes while I was there: Basic Drawing, and Basic Figure Drawing. I learned a ton, and forgotten a ton. =p


No worries if you don't want to post a personal Anatomy thread ~ that's what all of the other zillions of threads here are for! :) If you can think of it, we probably have a thread for it ~ just do a search, and you'll most likely turn up a thread for your desired category. :)

Well, we're happy to have you in OFDW 005 ~ it's exciting to see all of the cool work being posted. I hope that when you have time after the OFDW, you will continue to contribute to the Anatomy forum! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Well, I would love to post a personal thread, its just a matter of time. Maybe after this week, I'll have a few extra hours in my day.

And to show you all what I mean about having a hard time with anatomy, here is a sketch from the DSG I did just a week ago....Thor is having some serious anatomy issues. And I even had a reference for part of the picture. =p So yes, I need the practice!

http://www.stringfellowart.net/images/Daily%20Sketch/476-Thor.JPG

Amerasu
10-05-2005, 05:34 PM
I think I'll call this finished and move on. I fixed the left hand and foot size so thanks for that feedback, Rebecca.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/2005/oct5_05.jpg

Jeff Fantastic! I love the style you've painted. It just lends itself so well to the pose, I totally agree. Really nice work, very inspiring too :)

anim_ziggy Looking good so far! Where's that pose from? I'm wondering if I missed one or there was another added. It's a cool one and I'd like to give it a go :)

csgirl I love the black and white and think your painting is really nicely done. You've captured the back especially well. I don't know if you're going to continue on with this one or call it done but it would look great if you refined it a bit more. But either way, it looks solid already. I like your painterly style too.

zhay13 Very nice for 10 minutes worth! I like the sketchy approach.

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 05:38 PM
Amerasu,

This is looking really fantastic, and I'm super impressed. I can understand your wanting to move on. I still think you could really take this to the next level with some refining on the total figure. The left leg in particular seems just a bit unfinished. But even beyond that, I think that with some extra time, this could become a stellar piece. But, of course, that is up to you. :)

Great stuff, and it's fantastic to see your process! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Amerasu
10-05-2005, 05:53 PM
Ok, you've convinced me :) I think it could be better too. I'll come back to it and refine it but first I think I'll dive into another pic for a bit of a break.

And I'm still working on those feet from 004 ;) I even did some pencil studies of my funny toes.

thejeff
10-05-2005, 06:01 PM
amerasu, thanks! looking at your piece, i really like the skin tones. the hands and left foot seem really convincing, imo. i would consider a little tweek of the area around the right elbow, keeping in mind something a prof of mine said, namely that there are no concave outlines on a human body, only those that look that way, but on closer inspection are really subtly convex forms. also, maybe look at the s-curve of the spine once more, as it may be a bit too straight in your rendering. very nice progression in any case!

csgirl, i think as a thumbnail that sketch is not too shabby. gesture is great. get a friend to stand in and hone the thing based on the sketch is what i say.

csgirl
10-05-2005, 06:13 PM
Did a few touch ups. I think I'll leave this one alone now.

http://stringfellowart.net/images/figures/005-g.jpg

Ego
10-05-2005, 06:15 PM
What wonderful pictures and poses. And the look on Liang's face is so sweet and innocent.

It'll be a sin if i didnt attempt to do something about this.

*sharpens pencil*

NOOB!
10-05-2005, 07:15 PM
nice work all round guys,i dunno,i'm not feelin digital work for figure drawing *just drawing,not colouring*,its like goin to a life drawing class and bussin out a computer and wacom,but bleh.

good workage,i didn't have time today,waaah!:sad:

i forgot to mention zhu zhus was a little on the thin side.

csgirl
10-05-2005, 08:20 PM
New wip:
http://stringfellowart.net/images/figures/005-2combined.jpg

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 08:22 PM
Not much time to reply, but this is great stuff ~ csgirl, your b/w piece looks great so far, + it's nice to see your color progression. Will be checkin' back in later.

Great stuff, guys! I'm inspired! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Xillion
10-05-2005, 08:54 PM
mmm...it seems i've been away too much...how many of these did I lost?...Good work anveryone!

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 08:59 PM
Xillion ~

We'd love to have you back! Join in! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Xillion
10-05-2005, 09:38 PM
Ouch I'm sooo busy with my courses...
but...even if my eyes burn here's my a quickie ;)


http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6091/quick6aj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

next time I'll be more precise... promise !

b2dermawan
10-05-2005, 10:02 PM
Amerasu: Thanks. And wow great result! while maybe not too musle-defined nor is it on high-contrast but overall your work just "breaths". really dig your tones and soft-lit style. More please.

csgirl: great stuff! your final one for fig 2 is really striking, very fine use of dramatic lighting. and damn you're quick too, very nice on the last wip and hey your steps are quite similar to mine:)! looking forward to your next updates.

zhay13: good start so far, shapes and proportions looks good! my 2-cents is to save those highlights a bit.

drawMonger: looking good. cool style and if the left hand rendering is an indicator on what you planning to do, than we can expect amazing result from this piece!

anim_ziggy: nice blocking so far, proportions looks good. but hei wait i haven't seen that pose before, is it for this class or class 06's started already?? Rebeccak!!!

thejeff: wow! i'm impressed! great technique and cool style. more please!

Xillion: nice sketch so far! some proportions and shapes look off a little but it's understandable since it's just a quickie, and i'm sure you'll be able to tackle those on next steps. look forward to your updates.

........
tonight's update. play w/ and define skin tones, and also corrected/added some details.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/liangwip2.jpg

Keep up the good work, every one!

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 10:53 PM
Beautiful work b2! Now, all you have to do is to take it to that next level! ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

csgirl
10-05-2005, 10:57 PM
Thanx b2dermawan! I'm loving your picture so far, the color especially. Great job!

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 11:04 PM
Gah! I am getting grossly behind on this fabulous thread. :) I can see that Ben and Liang are inspiring many. :)

thejeff,

I am terribly sorry, I saw your text post the other day, but not your images. Thanks for pointing those out! Indeed I see the Rubens influence, and you have chosen to emulate one of my favorite artists! Kudos to you! :)

Your work so far looks quite solid, and I like the chalky, not overrendered feel of your piece. Excellent stuff, and I look forward to seeing more! Do you plan to paint this piece? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

thejeff
10-05-2005, 11:17 PM
thanks rebecca! yeah, i was thinking i would paint it.

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 11:23 PM
thejeff,

Alright! :) Go for it! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
10-05-2005, 11:46 PM
Hi Rebecca
Just starting on this.Planning on refining it, figure, dress, etc.

#1: Original color no tints or filters. Cold colors

#2: Various tints and spotlights. Trying to warm it up with color

#3: Applied one light red tint, to unify colors and give it warmth.


Thanks Mike. She is beautiful and of course thank you Liang. Very inspiring.

Everyone's stuff looks great so far. Nice poses, Ben. Will try to work on one of them when I finish Liang.

Noob: Nice drawings

Take care.
Glenn




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_27.JPG



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_28.JPG



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_29.JPG

csgirl
10-06-2005, 12:58 AM
Softening up the harsh edges...and I, er, got distracted for a while by the background. =p

http://stringfellowart.net/images/figures/005-2f.jpg

zhuzhu
10-06-2005, 04:27 AM
great work everyone~~~!


water-soluble colored pencil + chinese brush


http://usera.imagecave.com/zhuhaibobo/576.jpg

Amerasu
10-06-2005, 04:53 AM
Very soft and pretty, zhuzhu. Minimal but lovely - great job :)

zhay13
10-06-2005, 07:11 AM
i have time to do more drawing on this, just another wip, another 10 minutes :)

Rebeccak
10-06-2005, 07:44 AM
zhay13,

Nice stuff there! Keep up that focus on values, and just continually refine to perfection...

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
10-06-2005, 08:12 AM
Hehe thanks Ben :D

[QUOTE=Amerasu]
enialadam Very nice! I especially like the style. The two areas I noticed that seem a little out are his left arm, specifically the lower part of it and the hand. His left leg also seems a little thin at the thigh. I understand you'd have to do a new version to fix those areas but thought I'd point them out just in case :)
QUOTE]

Thankyou :) Beautiful painting you have there

NOOB!: Thanks :) nice hatching!

Amazing work here everyone, if I can find the time I might do a couple more sketches later today, during my free periods at college :D

Thanks again :)

Lemog
10-06-2005, 11:36 AM
Can't resist to come here to "only" watch and post couple of words to exprim my feeling... congratulations at all artists here... much very impressive works... so sad to don't particate at the other great "courses"... but incredible to follow, great delight... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: thanks you all for your great skills :bounce:

zhuzhu
10-06-2005, 04:03 PM
Amerasu: thanks, glad you like it.


red wax pencil on sketch pad:


http://usera.imagecave.com/zhuhaibobo/577.jpg

NOOB!
10-06-2005, 04:13 PM
as usual shading is great zhuzhu,but again u have made things a lil thin,like his right arm and left leg.

dbclemons
10-06-2005, 05:03 PM
I'm not sure there's a problem with the thickness of the arm and leg, as the torso looks too wide (kind of a glass-half-full thing.) It seems like the pose in the photo has more of a "pulling in" or croutch to it. The right shoulder pulls up higher and the torso is closer to the left leg. I do like the rendering though. The rough surface gives a nice texture.

-David

Rebeccak
10-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Spirit Dreamer,

Really lovin' the shift in color scheme here. :) I would try just purely painting at earlier and earlier stages, without relying so much on the filters. You have a good start, but the axes of the face are somewhat distorted (though I've seen you turn these around several times now) and have faith in you. :)

csgirl,

Nice bkgrd ~ and this is coming along well! However, I think that you need to reconsider the axes of the face, and the proportions of the body to the head ~ I think her body is a bit small (or her head a bit big) at this point. In truth I think you just ought to shrink the head a bit to match the body. The color scheme is really working, and let's just see you go crazy with that fabric! :)

zhuzhu,

Great sketch as usual, but I prefer your rougher, more 'artistic' pieces ~ this one feels a bit dated, like an advertisement from the 1950's. The line at the bottom of her dress is great, I would love to see you do a whole drawing in this kind of really loose, gestural style. Great stuff! :)

Oh, wait, just saw your second sketch ~ now that's the zhuzhu I love! :scream:

Lemog!!!
Great to see you back, if only to peek in every now and then! :bounce:It was such a blast to have you in OFDW 002, and I hope you can join us again sometime after the Challenge is over and you've won your BOXX!!! :thumbsup::bounce:

Great stuff, guys!!! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

b2dermawan
10-06-2005, 09:32 PM
zhuzhu: it's great to see you try new things yet still maintain that zhuzhu's kick ass style. inspiring stuffs.

csgirl: yeahcool background! (is that a christmas tree?) also interesting expression on her face. got to agree w/ rebeccak about the head proportion though. look forward to your update.

Spirit Dreamer: Nice enviroment set-up so far. thrill to see your next steps as usual.

......
tonight's update: mainly tackling the dress and add small things here and there. guess i'll leave it for now and move to next figure.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/liangwip3.jpg

Rebeccak
10-06-2005, 09:42 PM
Wow, b2, your last post made me smile. :) Beautiful work on the dress, and overall this is a beautiful piece so far. I think it lacks something compositionally in terms of the largeness / bareness of the bkgrd, in which she seems to lose presence. What about experimenting with cropping this piece in a more interesting way (saving the original of course before cropping copies)? But overall, outstanding work!!! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
10-06-2005, 10:05 PM
Hi all I started this, I have no idea if I will finish it but I was in the mood to paint, had some free time so thought I'd make a start.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/enialadam/girlstudy1.jpg

Photoshop7 Wacom graphire 3

Rebeccak
10-06-2005, 10:11 PM
C'mon, enialadam, you can't miss out on this one!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
10-06-2005, 10:33 PM
Hehe thanks for the encouragement Rebecca :D

pushav
10-06-2005, 10:34 PM
I am back once again!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/lifedrawings/mixtape10.jpg

Go Cardinals!!! Wooooooooot!:buttrock:

Rebeccak
10-06-2005, 10:39 PM
pushav,

Wow, I must say I am impressed. I do think this sort of blocky / impressionistic painting style is your 'thing'.

Cheers, ;)

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-06-2005, 10:54 PM
I dunno if it is my thing. People just like it. Not much of a painter. Back to the pencil.

csgirl
10-07-2005, 12:07 AM
csgirl,

Nice bkgrd ~ and this is coming along well! However, I think that you need to reconsider the axes of the face, and the proportions of the body to the head ~ I think her body is a bit small (or her head a bit big) at this point. In truth I think you just ought to shrink the head a bit to match the body. The color scheme is really working, and let's just see you go crazy with that fabric! :)

Ack, you're right. Her head is huge! Like a giant orange on a toothpick! :eek:

Rebeccak
10-07-2005, 12:17 AM
Ack, you're right. Her head is huge! Like a giant orange on a toothpick! :eek:
ROFL...:)

~Rk

csgirl
10-07-2005, 01:19 AM
Had time to do a little tweaking: scaled down her head, tried to realign her feature (I think something is still a little off...the nose?), did some color correction, and did a little roughing in of the skirt.

http://stringfellowart.net/images/figures/005-h.jpg

pushav
10-07-2005, 01:36 AM
Nice texturing csgirl.
:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-07-2005, 02:45 AM
csgirl,

I agree that the face needs to be reevaluated a bit ~ are the eyes too far apart, do you think? Also, the area where her right eyebrow is intersecting with the beginning of her nose is giving her a bit of an unintentional sinister expression. I think it's good that you're bringing the entire painting up at once ~ compositionally, I think this is going pretty well.

Looks good so far! Looking forward to seeing your next update. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

MichaelZHsee
10-07-2005, 05:20 AM
here;s my attempt,did it in office just now.i'll draw the whole figure later~a 10 minutes sketch~did that while rendering my 3d stuff~haha:scream: :mechanical pencil
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/michaelsee/portraits.jpg

pushav
10-07-2005, 05:48 AM
Nice wrok sh@ke.

MichaelZHsee
10-07-2005, 05:51 AM
sorry,double post~sigh,the internet connections~:sad:
thanks alot pushav:)

Lemog
10-07-2005, 06:28 AM
Lemog!!!
Great to see you back, if only to peek in every now and then! :bounce:It was such a blast to have you in OFDW 002, and I hope you can join us again sometime after the Challenge is over and you've won your ............
For sure I come back after the challenge... I can't remain like that... I must progress more in 2d... with you all :thumbsup:

While waiting... I just watch here for the pleasure... lot of pleasure :bounce:

Rebeccak
10-07-2005, 12:39 PM
For sure I come back after the challenge... I can't remain like that... I must progress more in 2d... with you all :thumbsup:
Good luck, Lemoggie! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SaraD
10-07-2005, 01:18 PM
Hi there. First post in this forum. Just couldn´t resist the workshop.
Here´s my progress so far:
sara.mallverkstan.net/challenges/liang_01.jpg

C&C always welcomed!

D4ng3rmouse
10-07-2005, 03:22 PM
Hey, just thought I'd show my face again seeing as i kinda disappeared after the 3rd or 4th life drawing workshop thing. I moved to uni and have been without internet for about a month :eek:. Finally have it again though so ill hopfully be getting back into some drawing again although ive got major projects and stuff to do now as well :sad:. Hopefully ill post something in a few days and ive got some images to go in the other threads ive been doing during the break. Just one other thing i was just wondering if anyone knows where i can get knows where i can get some references of african males? Ta. Also wanted to say the drawings that hve been done so far are looking great, hope i can do something equally good :)

pushav
10-07-2005, 07:58 PM
You must post lemog. I took a break in the challenge. I needed to work on my painting skillz.

SpiritDreamer
10-07-2005, 10:27 PM
Hi Rebecca and everyone
Trying to make a beautiful painting with bright warm colors - hot actually -
Want colors vibrant
Am not trying to imitate photo
Phot already has its own beauty
What would be the point of duplicating it?
Next step go into it with oil brushes
refinement of forms
Hopefully it will have a luminous glow to it when I am finished
A tranluciance that the light reflects the color from within
Like a pearl does
Definitely a experiment for me.
Any help would be appreciated.
Question - If you are not supposed to use filters then why are they available?
Artists have always used the most modern tools at their disposal
that is how art has evolved and progressed.
Some great works happening in this forum by the way. Amazing.
Take care
Glenn

PS Pushav: Thanks and keep up the good work.

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_39.JPG



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_41.JPG


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_41_Face.JPG

Rebeccak
10-07-2005, 10:38 PM
originally posted by Spirit Dreamer: Question - If you are not supposed to use filters then why are they available? Artists have always used the most modern tools at their disposal that is how art has evolved and progressed.
:scream: ROFL, Spirit Dreamer, I hear you. :) I'm certainly not going to dictate the way in which you paint ;) but I'm just old~fashioned I guess. :) Plus, I've just had it drilled into me for years the phrase 'the computer can't do everything for you' and I've heard people talk about being able to recognize certain Photoshop filters in Digital Artwork, which is sort of a no~no. But, you're using them in a far more sophisticated way than your average user, and you're certainly not letting the tools do everything for you ~ however, in the beginning stages of your images, the distortion caused by the filters is a bit less interesting (at least to me) than a 'drawn' line ~ but that's only my personal feeling. :)

You're doing great work, as you know, Spirit Dreamer ~ don't get me wrong. :) Your pieces always turn out looking quite realistic, without being over~rendered, which I like. Where I can see the remnants of the filters, I am slightly less enthusiastic ~ but, as I say, it's a personal opinion, and subjective. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-08-2005, 04:15 PM
I am starting to use spiritdreamer's distortion method. It is a great way to corect your proportions if you did not get it right the first time and you can bend tones and move them around to get a rhytm going. I should do another a more realistic looking one to see if I can do it. First I will have to try to warm my fingers cuz it is coooooold! LOL. Fall finally arrived.:sad:

pushav
10-08-2005, 06:45 PM
Here is my second go at this image. My goal now is to try and "shapen up my painting"

1 placed blocked colors and blending........

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/1.jpg

2. using Spiritdreamer pixel moving method to correct the image.....

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/2.jpg

Now I must corect things like the hands..........

Now I am still working on the image. I will continue to all day long.
Lookin' for some tips n' crits.

Rebeccak
10-08-2005, 07:21 PM
pushav,

Focus on the painting just in terms of major areas of lights and darks first. Don't go for details. Work in a very reduced / zoomed out view ~ and just lay in all of the major areas of light and dark that way. You will be amazed at how little it takes for something to 'read' this way.

Work on the face and mapping out it's light and dark shapes first.

Keep going. Use fewer filters, and more painting tools.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-08-2005, 08:46 PM
3. I am still moving the pixels around and using my custom airbrush and brushy and acrylic smudge. It is fun Rebecca and it makes it easier for a person like me who is not really a painter to "draw the forms" and mold it. Boy did I murder the face. I will correct it later. I am starting to add my own flare to the image.
I may cut of some her hair.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/3.jpg

Comlock
10-08-2005, 09:42 PM
She looks scary =o
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8150/0010cw.jpg

Rebeccak
10-08-2005, 09:46 PM
Comlock,

I don't think she looks scary...I quite like the way in which you've done the face. Have you ever seen the work of Skip Liepke? (http://www.dianenelson.com/dnfagallery/1101-liepkeshow/liepke/liepkeshow.htm) I think your sketch style lends itself well to this style of painting. Would you consider attempting a diigital painting in this style? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-08-2005, 10:19 PM
Comlicok-Nice work!

4. I continue to paint and smooth some areas. I also cut some hair off. I guess that I am almost done....

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/4.jpg

I think that I am getting better at painting. I will have to do this stuff more often.
Crits anyone?

Rebeccak
10-08-2005, 10:27 PM
pushav,

Try working on the face in a separate document, if necessary. It takes a lot of work to work up details...try really going for it in a new document, just working on the face.

I think the body independently is not looking bad. But at this point, the face is not yet matching the body.

Cheers,

~Rk

pushav
10-08-2005, 10:30 PM
Yeah To me it is a bit small. I think that the problem is that I added too much cheek and it made her look too forward. Oh boy here we go again. more tweaking.:sad:

pushav
10-08-2005, 11:01 PM
Here we go

5.Like what Becca said her head was not matching the body so I looked at the painting hard and noticed I gave her football player shoulders Lol. I cut some of her shoulders off (I feel like a surgeon Rofl.) I also cut some of her face off and cut off some of the dress and gave here more cleavage like in the photo. I am almost there.:buttrock: Crits. I am on fire.:scream:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/wip/5.jpg

umbrellasky
10-08-2005, 11:39 PM
hi again :D

more progress, sorry this is taking so long, busy, busy, busy hehe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/enialadam/girlstudywip1.jpg

pushav
10-08-2005, 11:50 PM
Nice work. I wish mine looked as good as yours.:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-09-2005, 12:04 AM
pushav,

You're making progress...is the mouth a bit too large? I suggest working a bit more in Photoshop, and a bit less in Painter...I think you might be able to get a bit more detail in Photoshop. Try also working on the head separately. There are still a few proportion problems.

enialadam,

Nice work so far...I can understand being busy. :) Do you plan to do the rest of the body as well?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-09-2005, 12:41 AM
Lol photoshop. It kinda sucks for painting. Great for comic coloring but bad for painting. Althogh the texturing is easier in the program but I love the pressure sensitivity waaay better in painter. IMHO. Plus I can get better color pulls in painter I like the dullness. As for the lips, I think that she has collagen implants :D. Believe it. Lol I guess I am purely stylized even when I paint. I never have my works look exactly like the references. I dunno why. It just happens. I am special. Muahahaha. Thanks for the crit.

Bsmith
10-09-2005, 01:17 AM
hey I'm back with my own wacom.

I guess this is basically my first attempt at digital painting. So I'm kinda scared.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/brandonsmith/guy1.jpg

So yeah, I'm also not quite sure how I'm going to sharpen this up either and blend the values in. So I have a feeling its going to go down hill from here.

Edit: Whoa, sorry for the large image...I will prolly change that.

pushav
10-09-2005, 01:21 AM
Nice for your first attempt with a wacom. Now all you need to do is define it a bit more and your will be fine. Keep it up.

Rebeccak
10-09-2005, 02:05 AM
Bsmith,

Good to see you back with your wacom! May I suggest you do a value study first? By this, I mean use only black, white, and gray in varying degrees of opacity to establish a gray scale study of the piece (you can also desaturate the Reference photo in Photoshop). For demos on this process, check out the Anatomy Review 3:

Anatomy Review 003: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259291)

I think it's best to start out with grayscale to build your values.

Also see this tutorial / demo:

TUTORIAL - Digital Figurative Painting from OFDW - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436)
which describes a similar process.

Don't worry about making mistakes ~ it's inevitable. The purpose of this Workshop is to learn, so there's no need to be concerned about whether or not you are doing the 'right' thing. The best way to learn is to dive in, and ask questions as you go along.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

NOOB!
10-09-2005, 10:01 AM
arrrrrrrrghh,i forgot all about this,ah man i'm gunna have to continue my studies at a later stage

is there a new one tommorow?

umbrellasky
10-09-2005, 12:35 PM
Thanks pushav, yours is coming along great!
I paint in photoshop, I've used painter a couple of times and thought it was great until I learnt how to do simular techniques in photoshop and now that's all I use. Do you use a tablet? If you do, setting your opacity to pen pressure in photoshop is a cool technique for painting. Also, Kyena has a great blending tutorial on her website:

http://tascha.ch/wordpress/?page_id=60

Rebecca: Thanks very much :) yep, I plan on painting the whole body

pushav
10-09-2005, 03:44 PM
enialadam-Thanks. Yeah that is almost how I blend colors in photoshop also. I tend to keep the opacity on 100 and flow at like 50 or 30. I tend to dislike the brush opacity that occurs with my tablet when I paint in photoshop. I sometimes color flat in photoshop but I always take it to painter cause of the painterly brushes and sketching in painter feels more natural. I have one brush in painter that can get like 6 different tone from multiple strokes I dunno how I created it but I am starting to like it. It is great for speed painting. I suck at painting in photoshop Lol the stuff always come out blurry and unatural. The work never comes out right. I don't see how you guys do it. This is my first true attempt at painting something like this.

SpiritDreamer
10-09-2005, 04:12 PM
Hi Rebecca
Hope you don't mind me posting this here if you do let me know.
I see these as a learning exercise. I never tried to compose groupd os figures before. Very tricky. I'll probably have to do a lot of them to come up with one good one. I only have the four figures to work with so far, but as I get more hopefully there will be better combinations. Right now I'll just call the allegory a surealistic dream. Where real space doesn't exist and logic is the exception. I'm learning alot from each one with your help of course and alot of my own imagination.
You are right on the lighting and the figures spacial relationships to each other.
Tried to correct it by giving more unified light source. And putting ZhuZHu in front of figure on right. And by using light and shadow more dramatically to create a focal point of interest.
The dragon symbolizes the natural wild spirit of nature and that includes human nature. Used him in the same sence as the use of satyrs with women. Could have put hooves on ZhuZhu but decided on using dragon instead. Satyrs are played out. Trying to depict an old theme with different symbol kind of thing. Just experimenting and trying to learn more as I go along. I think this kind of exercise with force me to confront situations that are unforseen in my painting knowledge. And conquer them hopefully. Need your help along the way. Two minds are better thn one for sure. Might end up with a masterpiece in the end, who knows, but will have fun trying anyway.

Finally got the temperature and mood to my liking on Liang's painting.
Starting to put in details with oil brushes.

Pushav: when you are using Liquid Lens to shape figures and correct proportions, use the tool in the upper left hand corner more. It compresses and expands whatever you point it at. Great for doing curves big and small - outside and inside of figure. The tool you're using now is more for carving and stretching paint. You're starting to get the hang of it, but listen to what Rebecca says about using regular brushes also. That's the look you want to have in the end.
Take Care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Compose_2.JPG



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_45.JPG

pushav
10-09-2005, 05:08 PM
Spiritdreamer-Yeah I was using the distorto (I like the accurate feel of distorto better and it is easier to control) under liquid in painter I should try that thin distorto also to see what it is about. I will try liquid lens once more it is hard to control at times. Yeah I am not starting to use normal custom captures bristle brush I made to even out tones. I killed her face tho' lol. That is when a pencil sketch would come in handy.:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 12:26 AM
Spirit Dreamer,

Sorry I was not able to get to your piece sooner...I've spent the better part of the day on the Workshop, which has been a blast! :)

Ok, I think that your combined piece is looking MUCH more unified and interesting now. I still think the female figure in the foreground is too small and oddly placed with relation to zhuzhu. Why not enlarge your canvas (not image size) in Photoshop? Then you would have more room to maneuver to the left of your picture plane, and could scale the figure up a bit.

Also, watch where her knee is touching the ground with relationship to where zhuzhu's feet are touching the ground. Right now it doesn't make sense spatially, because she is supposedly in front, but her knee is touching the ground behind zhuzhu's feet. This is possible, but she would need to be much larger.

Your second image is looking great, I like the texture of the dress so far. Now it's just a matter of getting in there and refining details. :)

Great stuff, Spirit Dreamer! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Zephyri
10-10-2005, 01:53 AM
wow.. :eek: some great work going on here, i feel ashamed for having been out of the loop for so long! I see Liang is turning out to be quite the favourite! For my own part, I could't resist when I saw the male model. Pieces that stood out for me so far (and I confess I haven't looked through the whole thread, just the past couple of pages - dial up and impatience aren't the best of bedfellows), Sh@ke.. Michael, that sketch is absolutely gorgeous, I'd give my left arm to be able to bring such life to paper with so few strokes! Cs Girl, I love your colour scheme. Spirit Dreamer, the first of your firey pics of Liang really stood out, and that last post with al three figures in has the beginnings of looking like something out of an old masters book! Pushav, its good to see you so actively involved here, you're really making progress. I've not seen the pic of Liang, but your shoulders on that last pic still seem a little on the manly side, but the mass of the arms has come out well.

And here's my first contirbution: an attempt to sketch straight into Photoshop, trying with a piece of paper taped over the wacom tablet. Seems to work, but i prefer the old fashioned pencil. There's something a little light about the way the weight of the body is resting on the right hand foot (as we look at it), but i can't put my finger on what. :shrug:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/cgtalk%20images/figure-draw-2.jpg

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 02:03 AM
Zepyhri,

Great to see your work here! I have to confess that I've been a bit less involved with this Workshop as well, due to the CGWorkshop, but I love to come here daily to see the incredible work going on! :)

I agree with you about the foot ~ I think the problem is that the curve describing the arch of the foot is too simple, and relaxed. It would be feeling a bit of strain, particularly bent as it is, so I recommend redrawing the curve in terms of smaller angles and planes ~ not just a series of one or two conjoined curves. Really pay attention to where the forms overlap ~ that's really key. It can be hard to see, but really study that area, and clearly draw lines which indicate the front most forms of the foot.

Nice sketch! I haven't seen exactly this approach from you before, and it's refreshing! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Dark3D
10-10-2005, 03:40 AM
Hello everyone, did the kinda fast a sloppy on my Tablet PC...

Well, here is my try:


http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_Figur2.jpg

Bsmith
10-10-2005, 03:41 AM
hey can anyone explain or whatever how to paint the hands on the male model. I'm having a hell of a time trying to get it down. the shadows never look right and the shape is pathetic. I'll post my lastest version once I get the hand down.

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 04:14 AM
Dark3D,

Great to see you back! :) Pretty cool style there ~ I like the gestural quality better than some of your 'tighter' linework ~ nice! He needs more of a pelvis, though ~ his legs are looking a bit slim for his upper trunk. But nice overall feel to the work!

BSmith,

It's about a lot of practice. I would try studying the hands only in a separate study, then copying and pasting that into your main document. Try working on a larger document for the hands ~ so you can get down to the detail level at a fairly high resolution.

Post that result, and we'll evaluate it. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

mabuffaloe
10-10-2005, 06:31 AM
Ok, here's my attempt:

http://www.aaramel.com/images/traditional/man_back.jpg

drawMonger
10-10-2005, 07:48 AM
I've changed the gesture of the hands, i think it has given the pose a darker feel and also bit of a focus point...hope it has worked.

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/005-1-4.jpg

Great work mabuffaloe and Zepyhri, it was hard for me to get this pose looking right...you guys make it look so easy!

drawMonger
10-10-2005, 01:33 PM
here's a colour variation...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/005-1-5.jpg

Bsmith
10-10-2005, 01:35 PM
Draw - I love it. I really like the dirtyness to it. keep it up

Mabuff - Thats an awesome drawing. The part that sticks out at me the most is the hair and how well it was done. I still don't understand how some people draw hair so realisticly.

drawMonger
10-10-2005, 01:37 PM
Cheers Bsmith!

justmeina
10-10-2005, 01:47 PM
Enjoying the recent drawings shared here, thanks Zepyhri, Dark3D, mabuffaloe and drawmonger. :thumbsup:

Zephyri
10-10-2005, 02:30 PM
Zepyhri,

I agree with you about the foot ~ I think the problem is that the curve describing the arch of the foot is too simple, and relaxed. It would be feeling a bit of strain, particularly bent as it is, so I recommend redrawing the curve in terms of smaller angles and planes ~ not just a series of one or two conjoined curves. Really pay attention to where the forms overlap ~ that's really key. It can be hard to see, but really study that area, and clearly draw lines which indicate the front most forms of the foot.


~Rebeccak

Agreed... and I took your advice, and focused in on the foot and leg. Tried to be more geometrical in my approach, more hogarth-esqe, as it's not a way I usually work, and I find it good for getting used to the volumes and masses, makes you think about the 3D form of what you're drawing as well as the light and how it hits it. I think I'll try this with the hands too, as I have trouble with them at the best of times!

and its a pleasure Ben, great material to work with! Mabuffaloe, nice shading and linework. Drawmonger, I think you've done a fine job! The only thing that looks a teensy bit odd is the length of the neck before you get to the hair, it sort of looks like he's pulling his head off his shoulders! Other than that, lovely texture and colours.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/cgtalk%20images/leg-study.jpg

drawMonger
10-10-2005, 03:16 PM
Zepyhri, Firstly, your foot study is fantastic!! Second, Thanks for the feedback :) ...about the head being pulled off the shoulders...LOL! i saw this myself and thought it added a kinda stressful and macabe touch...probably not what i should have done given that we are going for anatomical correctness...but i will post an update with Ben's head back firmly on his shoulders ;)

mabuffaloe
10-10-2005, 03:59 PM
Hey, nice job on that foot, Zepyhri... I think you nailed it this time! :thumbsup: I like the value work you've done on his back, drawMonger.... looks great!

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 04:43 PM
Gah! Some beautiful work here guys, with no time for real comment...will try to get back later ~ amazing work!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebecca

Bsmith
10-10-2005, 05:19 PM
ok there is my update. Like I said...the right hand sucks...I spend who knows how long on that. The left hand sucks too I guess but not as bad. But other than that I'm actually suprised how good it turned out given I have no traditional painting experience.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/brandonsmith/guy3copy.jpg

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 05:26 PM
BSmith,

Wow, quite impressive! I would suggest just enlarging that upraised hand a bit to make it more proportional to the body. You're doing really great! Keep going! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
10-10-2005, 08:37 PM
Zepyhri:
Just sold two of my paintings! A great day for me!:bounce:

Thanks for the nice comments on my work. I've still got a whole lot to learn,but I am really enjoying it.

I've been admiring your golden winged woman since you started it.
Glad to see you are finishing it.
Beautiful color on her wings.
Would like to see that color reflected on figure and throughout painting.
Subtlely of course.
Would be a unifying element and would give it that oneness.
And would add more beauty to piece.
Reflected on floor might solve that problem also.
Whatever you make above her, make vague and darker to give greater depth to piece, maybe.
These are just some suggestions that come to my mind while I'm admiring your painting.
Keep up the great work it is a pleasure to see it.
Take Care
Glenn

PS Might also try some dark transparent cast shadows with color in them. Would give more realism and drama to piece.

If you haven't looked at this link:

http://fantasy.bratsk.net/cgi/gallery.cgi (http://fantasy.bratsk.net/cgi/gallery.cgi)

Definitely do. I think you will really enjoy it. Study his use of color to create drama and beauty with shadows and reflections. Over 300 paintings in his site to learn from. It's great.

Fantasy at its best. You'll love it!

pushav
10-10-2005, 09:13 PM
Spiritdreamer have you used this one http://vallejo.ural.net/
That is the one I normally use. I think that it has more of his work on it.
I burn a lot of his work on cd. Lol. He needs more new stuff.

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 09:17 PM
Just sold two of my paintings! A great day for me!:bounce:
Congratulations, Spirit Dreamer!!! :thumbsup: You totally deserve it! Were they ones from this Workshop, or some other pieces? Great news!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Bsmith
10-10-2005, 10:11 PM
ok this is pretty much the final. I kinda took some artistic merit and painted the hand rotated a little bit, its still not great. So its pretty much done unless anyone points something out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/brandonsmith/guyfinal.jpg

pushav
10-10-2005, 10:18 PM
Nice Spiritdreamer! Now I have to continue to build my pitiful portfolio Lol. I wish that my art would sell Lol. I dont have the talent yet.

Bsmith-Keep on going

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 10:28 PM
BSmith,

If you are comfortable with the path tool in Photoshop, I would use it to select your figure only, feather the selection by 1-2 pixels, and copy + merge (Ctrl + Shift + Copy) and paste the merged figure by itself (without the bkgrd) onto a new layer. Then I would rework the bkgrd independently, using a large, soft brush at a low opacity.

If you are unfamiliar with the path tool, just press F1 in Photoshop, and do a search for path tool, and it will tell you everything you need to know. It is much better than the lasso, as it allows you to select objects much as you would in Illustrator, and your selection is much more smooth.

Try this, and post your results.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
10-10-2005, 10:32 PM
Hi Rebecca:
And Thank you.
Haven't put any up for sale in our store or website from this forum yet. Wasn't sure if it was OK to do so til a couple days ago. But am in the process of doing it now. Or I should say I am asking Mrs Spirit Dreamer to put them on for me. She is not sure if the composites are quite ready for "prime time" (either)..:)

Here are links to ones I just sold:
SEASHORE WITH GULLS (http://www.artbyglenngallegos.com/SeascapesBig/SeascapeBig10.html)
MOTHER'S LESSON (http://www.artbyglenngallegos.com/PaintingsBig/PaintingBig65.html)
An American soldier stationed in Saudi Arabia bought them. Computers sure make the world a small place, don't they?

My stuff has improved considerably since I started participating in this forum, I think.
Thanks to you and everyone else who has helped me. And it will hopefully continue to improve as time goes by. With you and everyone's help, I hope.
Can't express it enough how your helping me has improved my work.
(cough cough - and also the ice-cream man Pushav's new custom brushes! :) )
And all the effort you've put into this forum is great.
Thanks and Take care
Glenn


PUSHAV:
Thanks for the great link! I used to really like his stuff in the 70s. Forgot about him until a couple of weeks ago. Finally remembered his name. Found him on computer and posted link I found. Now I have two links to him. Great! Thanks again.
Glenn

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 10:52 PM
My stuff has improved considerably since I started participating in this forum, I think.
Thanks to you and everyone else who has helped me. And it will hopefully continue to improve as time goes by. With you and everyone's help, I hope.
Can't express it enough how your helping me has improved my work.
And all the effort you've put into this forum is great.
Spirit Dreamer,

Thanks for that! :) You really bring a lot to this forum, I'm sure you know that. :) The OFDWs wouldn't be the same without you! :)

Really happy that you got the chance to sell your paintings. That's great news! I wish I had more time to participate in these myself in a drawing / painting manner, but I'm happy as well seeing all of the great work here develop. Great to see! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-10-2005, 11:03 PM
Spiritdreamer- *cough*Acrylic smudge. *cough*Acrylic water blender Lol:thumbsup:

Bsmith
10-11-2005, 01:01 AM
rebeccak - for some reason I can't select the help menu. I'm not sure whats going on with that.

pushav
10-11-2005, 01:57 AM
Lol Ice-cream :drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

The good thing is that Ice-cream goes on sale in the fall and winter. Lol.
(This may be my new quote. Lol)

Making brushes is my hobby. (Now that is sad.):D

Bsmith- Restart your photoshop and try again.

*making seal noises while clapping:applause::applause:*

Theese smilies are gonna make someone's computer lag.

Rebeccak
10-11-2005, 06:34 AM
sh@ke,

Nice piece! My, you're a multitalented multitasker! :scream: :thumbsup:

SaraD,

Really nice work! Great to see your stuff here ~ will you be attempting the entire body? :)

mabuffaloe,

I must say, you've got an outstanding piece going on here! Are you planning to take it further? I must say, I am a total fan of atmospheric figure drawings...bring it on! :)

DrawMonger,

I love the angst you've got going on here ~ it's perfectly suited to the pose. That right lower leg is a bit wonky though, don't you think? But the rest of it is really beautiful ~ I love the treatment you've given it. Good stuff!!!

Zephyri,

That's a beautiful leg breakdown! I really wish more people would do these...those careful studies are pretty crucial to getting the larger pose right. Great stuff!!! The way you've left the veins as the white of the paper is quite nice. What do you plan to do next? :)

AMAZING stuff everyone!!! Wish I had more time to stop by more often...you people are awesome! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD
10-11-2005, 08:36 AM
Here´s my WIP´s and finished piece of Liang. A beautiful pose to paint!

http://sara.mallverkstan.net/WIP.htm

Thanks for looking :)

HellBoy
10-11-2005, 01:27 PM
I hope I am not late

I am gonna make Rebeccak say "oh my, not him, nooooo"

I did a 30min work. I think I cheated on this one, I pasted the picture in ps, done a line work then painted. I think my intention was to do a paint work rathar than a line work, but anyway heres both line & colour :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/mwarsame/Line.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/mwarsame/colour.jpg

do you know, it doesn't even look like anything, I mean anything clooooser to the pic, poor me
hehe thanks

Rebeccak
10-11-2005, 09:19 PM
MWarsame,

Nah, instead, I think I'll just say, welcome to the OFDWs! :)

I have to say, I rather like your initial drawing, but I HIGHLY recommend doing a grayscale study for the painting of it. Have you seen the Anatomy Review 003 - Human Skull and Shading Exercise? You should take a look at the Tutorials contained within this Anatomy Review, as it's all about Grayscale painting, which I would recommend to any beginning painter, digital or traditional.

Right now, you are focused on color, and not getting the major areas of light and dark right. All of the colors in the world will not make a good painting ~ what makes a good painting is VALUE. Value = the range of light to dark between pure white and pure black. In between is an infinite range of grays which you can use to build form.

Try this and see how it goes. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

HellBoy
10-11-2005, 09:37 PM
thanks for the good advice Rebeccak, I'll defenetly check it out

cheers :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
10-11-2005, 11:42 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone
A little update
Working on dress and lighting today
Dress was starting to compete with figure so I threw it in a shadow
Want focal point to be her face
Trying to achieve this with light
Still alot of refinement to do:
Dress jewelry figure etc
Keeping all my steps along the way
Want to see how far I can push it with light and shadow
Trying to create mood emotion and feeling with color
Take care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang-49.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang-49_face.JPG

Dark3D
10-12-2005, 04:03 AM
Hello, well here is my try again! I kind just went a little dank key on this sketch, kind of holloweeni moody.

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_CgModel5.jpg

Rebeccak
10-12-2005, 04:39 AM
Spirit Dreamer,

Really like the overall color climate and especially the dress so far. :) The expression is also well~captured. I would suggest starting to refine the hands a bit and to consider what will go in the upper left hand corner of the canvas. I think there are a lot of really great things you can do with the dress, so long as you don't overdo it. Take a look at that Sargent painting again...economy of brushstroke etc. :)

Dark3D,

I like this piece! I still would one day like to see you go for a full~on render, as I think it would be quite interesting to see what you could to. :) The arms need a bit of work, I think...the face is quite nice, however! Have you ever looked at fashion illustrations of the 1940's and 50's? I think you might quite like the quick, gestural style of these. I also think it would be interesting to see what you might do in traditional media, say in pencil or charcoal.

Good stuff! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
10-12-2005, 09:37 AM
That right lower leg is a bit wonky though, don't you think?
Hi Rebecca, thanks for the great feedback...I'm not sure that i can see the problem with the lower right leg...did you mean the left leg which i can see could use some more work?

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/005-1-5small.jpg

Spirit Dreamer, congrats on selling your art! Good work on the portrait, i esp. like the way that you've rendered the dress.

Loulu79
10-12-2005, 08:37 PM
Yikes!:argh: I'm still working on mine...and I want to sketch all three of them...but we're already on the 14th page...and I haven't posted up mine yet...still tweaking...

I'm scared to see the next workshop...I feel so far behind and everyone's catching up here to me....
drawMonger, Dark3D and Spirit Dreamer:

Excellent anatomy.

Spirit Dreamer: You're a bit too red on her skin....tone it down there.

As for me I'm going to have to post what I've done so far very very soon...I can't promise it's going to be tonight....still working on it....so bear with me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze:sad:

Rebeccak
10-12-2005, 09:16 PM
Hi Rebecca, thanks for the great feedback...I'm not sure that i can see the problem with the lower right leg...did you mean the left leg which i can see could use some more work?

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/005-1-5small.jpg
DrawMonger, no prob! You're right, the left leg does need additional work..it looks a bit short overall and generally needs refining. With the lower right leg, however, notice how it seems a bit flat, and the foot turned a bit funnily toward the viewer, when the upper right leg indicates that the entire leg is pushing back into space. I think there isn't enough of an established connection in the ankle area to the mass of the foot, which seems unfinished and wrongly situated. I like the rendering of the whole leg, but think that it needs to be tweaked so that it reads better spatially.

Still like this piece, though, and would love to see you really push it to the finish line! :)

Loulu,

C'mon, honey, you can make it! We need ya! :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

Kalorlo
10-12-2005, 11:36 PM
Took an evening off because I'm ill :)
(Well, not happy for the illness, but it's nice to do some drawing again!)

I got to this point after a lot of resizing and moving bits around. Finding this pose rather difficult. I could see there's something wrong, but I'm not entirely sure what it is.

http://www.kellyhouse.force9.co.uk/art/anatomy/ben01.jpg


So I resized the original and stuck it in a layer under my drawing - it shows that the left leg isn't nearly as off as I thought it was, but the head and arms are a bit squint.

http://www.kellyhouse.force9.co.uk/art/anatomy/ben02.jpg


I fixed those areas and went on to do some quick and nasty shading. Probably time to break out the colours next, but that'll have to wait until tomorrow.

http://www.kellyhouse.force9.co.uk/art/anatomy/ben03.jpg

SpiritDreamer
10-12-2005, 11:37 PM
Hi Rebecca
Today worked on dress hands jewelry, bottom left corner, the pedastal,
Still alot left on hands
Not sure about dress

Any ideas or suggestions?
Could use some help on the fine tuning

Need your expert eye when it has a free moment to spare

Anybody and everyone are welcome to chip in with
suggestions and opinions as always.


Some really great works happening with these models
Been a pleasure watching them progress
A lot of variety of styles.

Nice

Take Care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_60.JPG


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_60_face.JPG

Rebeccak
10-13-2005, 01:52 AM
Spirit Dreamer,

You know that I'm going to suggest next going in and doing some straight painting. :) I think you've got the basic shapes and attitude really well~established, and now just need to refine details and make everything work together.

Your fabric, particularly in the ridgey area in the second tier of fabric on the left, is looking really great! I like the areas most where I am not thinking about the method which you used, but just forget that it is a painting, and think that it is a dress. This should be the goal ~ you don't want your viewer to be thinking about which smudge tool you used, you want them to see the object for itself. This is tricky, and I really commend anyone who can do this well. :)

An artist you might like is Sorolla ~ also, Anders Zorn. These are oil painters whose work shows the artists' mark, yet you still think less about the mark than the image which is formed by the mark. Definitely take a look at the work of both of these artists.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Loulu79
10-13-2005, 05:25 PM
I hope it's not too late to post what I've been up to lately. I've put it off and on...just to do something else. And everytime I come here...well...that just want me to fasten my pace even more.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Loulu79/MaleStudy2.jpg

And no...it's not finished yet. There's a lot more work to be done for this sketch (I told you male anatomy is the most challenging one for me). The hands need tweaking and are incomplete...the head needs tweaking...and the skin isn't done right. Please c&c away.
;)

Rebeccak
10-13-2005, 05:58 PM
Loulu,

It's never too late, glad to see this! I think it's a bit early to comment on, but one thing to tweak is the proportion of the legs. Hope to see more!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Kalorlo
10-13-2005, 10:36 PM
Started putting some colour on under the sketch. This isn't at all how I usually do coloured pieces - generally I start with the colour a lot earlier and have less sketch there.

http://www.kellyhouse.force9.co.uk/art/anatomy/ben04.jpg


Now I started putting colours on top.

http://www.kellyhouse.force9.co.uk/art/anatomy/ben05.jpg


Have to switch to a smaller harder brush soon, I think. Right now I'm using a fairly sparse one that doesn't fully saturate the colours, hence the shadows being a bit muddy.

Rebeccak
10-13-2005, 10:59 PM
Kalorlo,

Great to see your work here! This is really starting to come along...the things that I would work on a bit more are the feet, as they will really need to show the pressure and strain of the weight of the pose. Have you seen Zephyri's leg / foot study? I think this is an excellent way (isolating a particular area to draw exclusively) to practice anatomy.

Looking forward to seeing more progress!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
10-14-2005, 12:15 AM
Hi Rebecca
Those artists you just turned me on to....Wow!
Insipred me to do some real painting. It felt great.
Thanks

Lightening up my painting of Liana.
Was getting too orange...like Loulu said.
Thanks Loulu

All the color variations and details that I put in earlier, came back. Great!
Needs the greens and purples to compliment the reds.
Redid the whole dress with oil brush.

The words you just told me really impressed me.
Can't see the forest for the trees kind of thing.
I tend to get lost in the woods. It's nice to have you there to show me
the right way out.
You've definitely earned your Master's in my opinion, lady.
Can't find the words to thank you enough.
So I'll just say it with paint.

Just did a quick painting of Ben. Only used one big oil brush.
Kept it one size so I wouldn't get trapped in details at the start.
No filters, smudges or other fancy tricks.
Just straight painting.
It's easier and more enjoyable, actually.:)

Thanks again Rebecca.:thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang-64.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang-64_skirt.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Ben_3.JPG

pushav
10-14-2005, 12:25 AM
Yay. The new pose. Good thing we have not started on a 006 yet. Keep going spiritdreamer.

Rebeccak
10-14-2005, 12:56 AM
Spirit Dreamer,

Thanks a lot for your comments...and all I have to say about your painting of Liang's dress is WOW!!! :thumbsup: Beautiful stuff. The texture is really perfect, not so much that it's an exact match to the picture (who cares?) but that it's a great combination of paint technique and description of the object / fabric. I think the hair needs to be refined a bit, as right now it just seems to have the texture of the brush you've used. There is something a bit funny with the shoulders ~ I would check the axes here and the relative size. It comes down to drawing, really. You're really doing a great job on this piece ~ just keep pushing it technically without losing the spirit of the pose, which you've captured quite beautifully.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
10-15-2005, 01:37 AM
Hi Rebeca
Worked on her shoulder. One closest to light source.
Was missing that "S" curve from side of neck to edge of shoulder.
Made shoulder muscle more defined with light and shadow.
Next I redefined the hair. Looks better than it did, I think.
When you get a chance let me know what you think.

Probably won't be posting or replying for a week.
Unless I can figure out how to, Ha Ha.
(but I will be reading your messages and everybody's posts)
Mrs. Spirit Dreamer is going to San Francisco for a week
to visit her son and daughter-in-law.

Talk to you later and Thanks
Glenn



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_76_face.JPG




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Liang_76.jpg

pushav
10-15-2005, 01:42 AM
Wow! This is starting to look real spiritdreamer! Keep on going but don't over render it.:thumbsup:

Rebeccak
10-15-2005, 01:49 AM
SpiritDreamer,

This is really coming along! I think the thing you could focus on next is resolving the color competition of the reds of the figure with those of the wall. Right now it's sort of like ocular overload ~ something needs to be more gray / desaturated / more green to even things out color~wise. I think the shoulders may look a bit too high, as though her neck is too short. I think this may require a bit of tweaking / redrawing, or of just cutting and pasting in Photoshop. The hair is looking better I think. Definitely making improvements! Keep going. I hope Mrs. Spirit Dreamer has a safe and fun trip to San Fran. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
10-15-2005, 02:07 AM
Thanks Pushav!
Don't have to worry about over rendering it. I am keeping all my versions. Just pushing it as far I can.:)

Rebecca:
I will see what I can do. ANd will see what happens when I do it. :)
Take care
Glenn

Amerasu
10-15-2005, 04:11 AM
Really great work everyone! There's some nice painting going on here :) I wish I could join you all and finish up the pics I started but I've got house guests til late next week and can't ignore them to paint. I'll be the late finisher for 005 :)

jinnseng
10-16-2005, 06:52 PM
It's been a few months since I have been able to do a digital piece. I was kind of lost so I only did a section of Ben.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/b2.jpg

Thanks for taking a look.

Rebeccak
10-16-2005, 06:56 PM
jinnseng,

Beautiful start here ~ the tones are fantastic, and your trademark calmness is evident in this piece...I would recommend just gradually continuing to build values, and if you're comfortable, later extending this piece to include more of the figure.

Nice work so far...I wouldn't rush this piece.

Good to see more of your work. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
10-17-2005, 10:11 AM
Hi Rebecca, thanks for taking the time to decribe the problem with the leg...once you pointed the problem out it became obvious to me. here is an update...i hope this is better.
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/005-6.jpg

eyrebrush
10-21-2005, 09:25 AM
NOOB, if you would be interested, I'm in the processes of dealing with crosshatching in my website; you might find it useful - I don't know. I'm a new member here - mainly as a model, but I've taught art in a school all my life. My site started out as a gallery to display my work, but I'm also attempting two 'live' studios to help anyone aspiring to draw and paint. This is in it's infancy at the moment. Studio ONE is intended to deal with general stuff. There are three sessions in there at the moment - drawing eyes, proportions of the human face and an introduction to oil painting. Studio two is a LIFE CLASS. There are two sessions in there at the moment. The first deals with three minute poses using willow and compressed charcoal - using BEN MILLER for my model. The second session isn't quite completed yet - but you'll get the idea: it deals with CROSSHATCHING!.

Having clicked the picture that first come up you'll get the intro ..... and a row of links across the top. Click "LIFE CLASS". Click "ENTER HERE". A small blue window appears in the top left corner. in the first box type " artist " (small letters), and in the second " sitter ". Then log in. The words "LIFE CLASS" appears there ...... click it .... and you're in!

LOL! ..... have fun!
http://www.eyrebrush.free-online.co.uk/

Ego
10-21-2005, 12:36 PM
*applauds everyone. Beautiful rendition of a beautiful model. I've been slightly unavailable to do any work. But am back now and hopefully will be able to complete this tast before we move on to Workshop 10 :D

Here is the WIP of Liang. I am using painter 100 % I divorced photoshop, having crashed on me way too many times. At the same time I am also painting her in pastels. Cant show you guys this one till am done, hehe.
Spirit dreamer am so jealous of your rendition of the outfit. Sweet work there.
As usual comments, critiques, helpful suggestions are welcome.
Becca darling, I bet you thought I forgot this assignment, huh?
http://www.queensoul.com/images/WIP/Liangwip.jpg

pushav
10-21-2005, 11:01 PM
Lol Nice stuff Queensoul so far.
Rebecca also forgot to give me my next assignment for my mixtape thread. (I guess she quit pushing me to do some art)

Rebeccak
10-21-2005, 11:52 PM
Queenie baby,

What happened, did you take a paint pro vitamin and morph into Linda B? :thumbsup: Great work sweetie!!! Brilliant job on the face and the right hand, and the fabric is looking fantabulous! :)

Very nice work here...I'm quite impressed! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger
10-22-2005, 04:20 PM
Great work Queensoul! :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
10-26-2005, 11:57 PM
Hello Rebecca
I am back.
Got side tracked a little been trying to finish up some other paintings I have been
working on.
Sold paintng of Liang!
Woman waiting for me to finish it.
She loved the 1st version she saw.
The one you said needed more neck and less red in background.
Hope she likes my improved versions. - If not she has a lot of versions to choose from!
Anyway, here are two updates, plus the one you last saw.

#1 needs more neck, less red
#2 gave more neck, toned down reds and made her skin color more realistic
#3 Brightened up and fantasized it.
Mostly practicing on it in preparation for other paintings I am working on.
A definite learning experience.

Hope everything is fine your way.
Don't know how you manage everything you have going on:
SuperWoman

Well, when you get a moment, could use some of your expertise.
I will be participating in #7 for sure. Would be nice to have another Liang-type of model with pretty clothes etc.
Talk to you soon, I hope
Take Care
Glenn

PS I am really learning to type my own messages -
one finger of course, better late than never :)
(Mrs. Spirit Dreamer did type this one, though)


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/liang-124-a.jpg



http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/liang-124-b.jpg




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/liang-124-c.jpg

Rebeccak
10-27-2005, 12:44 AM
Spirit Dreamer(s), ;)

Great to see you back!! :) Your work turned out really beautifully! I think it's really interesting what you have done with the effects in Photoshop, and it has helped the composition a lot. However, I would still like to see you push the figure by itself as far as you can ~ without hiding it behind effects, which are cool, but not as cool as some of your painting work, particularly on the dress ~ really beautiful work there. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to seeing your work for the OFDW 006! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
10-27-2005, 05:27 AM
Hi Rebecca
I understand what you are saying, It felt good to paint the dress in that
manner. Like painting with oils on canvas. I miss that feeiing of pushing
into the canvas with the brush.
I will try to do what you're talking about, on next figure, don't know if
it will come out good or not, but we'll see.
About the flowers and humming birds, I did them with painter, not photo
shop. I never used photo shop before.I'm still exploring painter.Still finding
new things in there, after five years, amazing program.
Painted humming birds and flowers by hand, useing painter, no referances.
Used layers to place them into painting. Used the setting called lighten in
layers,it eleminates background around object to be layerd,then pushed
botton on pen, whitch brings up a menu, whitch allows you to change the
shape and sizes of objects to be layered. Just telling you this, in case you
have'nt tried it yet.Workes great, I just discovered it myself, and am haveing
a blast, playing with it. Layer on top of layer, makes great flower arangements,
creates a lot of depth...MAGIC...I,m like a kid with a new bike, I can,t get
enough of it.
Did this typing myself, so it is far from perfect, but is the best I can do at the
moment. Just wanted to thank you again for your help, means a lot to me.
Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak
10-27-2005, 05:47 AM
Spirit Dreamer,

Not sure if I am more impressed with your picture or with your typing! :thumbsup: Both are nicely done! :)

Thanks for the Painter tips! I think it's awesome you are discovering new things all the time...you're sort of like our resident Painter pioneer around here! :)

Great to see you back...and looking forward to 006! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

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