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Slux
09-29-2005, 06:49 PM
*** WARNING NUDITY AHEAD ***

Hi
I have decided recently that I need a lot of practise. I have never attended any kind of drawing school so I'am studying on my own. I thought it would nice to show my work to others and get some feedback because you know ... sometimes is hard to see own mistakes so hopefully others could help me.

I have decided to learn to draw no matter how long it will take and how hard I will have to practise :) so any help would be appreciated

If you have some advices, tips or if you know some useful exercises what I should do than I would like to hear them.
If you want to know something about me or my work then feel free to ask

Right now I practise drawing from photographs but later there will be some muscle / skeleton studies .... humans and animals as well

Ok so I will number my drawing and I will add date too so you can see if I do any progression. Oh and btw these drawing are supposed to be just rough sketches so excuse poor quality because I try to draw it as fast as possible ...

001 - 28. 9. 2005

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic001-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
09-29-2005, 06:51 PM
002 - 28. 9. 2005
Hmm this one is prety rough :eek: ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic002-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
09-29-2005, 06:52 PM
Ok another one

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic003-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
09-29-2005, 06:53 PM
004 - 29. 9. 2005
Hmm this one took me 2.5h ... too long :sad:

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic004-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
09-29-2005, 06:57 PM
Slux,

Great to see you doing this! :thumbsup: I know it will be amazing to see your progress, as you are very hard~working and motivated, and also very talented. :)

With respect to your first figure, you have a good start here. A good rule to remember with respect to proportions is that the human hand is about the same size as the human face. Compare the size of the hand you have drawn with the size of the face, and notice that the hand is a bit small. Look back at the photograph, and check the size of the arms with relation to the body. I think that you will find that the arms are a bit small and short proportional to the rest of the body.

It might help if you also posted (if you are allowed) the reference photos which you are using. Have you seen Hong Ly's website, with free pictures of models?

http://www.characterdesigns.com/

Additionally, the Reference for Anatomical and Figurative Art (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257570&highlight=Reference) thread here has many useful sources of Drawing Reference.

Looking forward to following your thread! :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

Slux
09-29-2005, 07:05 PM
Hi
Thanks for crits :) yeah you are right ... I hopefuly I will remember it but drawing hands is my absolutely weakest area. I really have to focuse on it.

BTW I'am afraid I'am not allowed to post these photos here .. they are just random photos from net ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
09-29-2005, 07:07 PM
Slux,

No problem, absolutely understood. However, you can always post a link to pictures which you find (so long as they are from sites which do not require private membership). But that's completely up to you. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
09-29-2005, 07:14 PM
Slux,

If hands are your weakest area, why not give yourself assignments, such as...do 20 hand drawings in 2 weeks? It's the best way to get better fast. Then, you can post your work here to keep yourself accountable to your goals. What do you say? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
09-29-2005, 07:20 PM
Slux,

If hands are your weakest area, why not give yourself assignments, such as...do 20 hand drawings in 2 weeks? It's the best way to get better fast. Then, you can post your work here to keep yourself accountable to your goals. What do you say? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ohmmm don't worry its definitely on my to do list ... but there is so many things I need and want to practise :) ....

- Slux

pushav
09-29-2005, 07:21 PM
Keep them comin' Slux.:thumbsup:
And listen to Rebecca she is an anatomy master. That is why I have traveled many mountains to seek her knowledge.

Rebeccak
09-29-2005, 07:21 PM
Ohmmm don't worry its definitely on my to do list ... but there is so many things I need and want to practise :)
I've no doubt you'll get there. ;)

Cheers,

~Rk

raptor|3D
09-29-2005, 07:25 PM
Hi,
very nice start here man!
Keep drawing.

I agree with Rebecca that it will be very interesting to watch your process especially when you started to practice so intensively now.

see ya

Slux
09-29-2005, 07:33 PM
Hi
Thanks men ...encouragement is always welcome lol :) I really need a lot of practise so there should be plenty of drawings hehe :scream: ehmm at least I hope so ...

- Slux

Slux
09-29-2005, 07:36 PM
Keep them comin' Slux.:thumbsup:
And listen to Rebecca she is an anatomy master. That is why I have traveled many mountains to seek her knowledge.

Oh Hi
I didn't notice your post ... there were so many posts in such a short time lol
thanks thanks .... oh and don't worry I will listen to her :scream: ....

Slux
09-30-2005, 04:12 PM
Hi
Another two images.
005 - 30. 9. 2005
This one is supposed to be asian ... does she look like asian? I quess not :sad: ....

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic005-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
09-30-2005, 04:13 PM
006 - 30. 9. 2005

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic006-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
09-30-2005, 04:18 PM
Slux,

Good stuff...your second piece has a lot going for it...I think it's your strongest figurative drawing so far...

Check out this abdominal muscle reference picture:

http://137.222.110.150/calnet/musculo/image/anterior%20abdominal%20wall.jpg
http://137.222.110.150/calnet/musculo/image/anterior%20abdominal%20wall.jpg

...and these shoulder muscle (area) pics:

http://www.rwc.uc.edu/ap/T6.JPG

http://www.rwc.uc.edu/ap/T6.JPG

http://www.rwc.uc.edu/ap/HNS2.JPG

http://www.rwc.uc.edu/ap/HNS2.JPG


You might try to find some reference like this (with a better resolution, where you can read the names of things) and draw from it. :)


Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
09-30-2005, 04:25 PM
Thanks for pic :) I will save it to my anatomy folder ... there is already quite a few pics. I have also a lot of books about anatomy I just have to read it :eek: ... but I will try to read and practise something I promise ... right now I also practise from loomis book.

- Slux

Rebeccak
09-30-2005, 04:27 PM
Slux,

No prob! Look forward to seeing your Loomis images. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
09-30-2005, 06:17 PM
Slux,

I worked up a brief review of your last image, which I think is quite nice, but could be tweaked in a few areas. Specifically, I think his left arm is a bit small for the body. Hope this helps. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Slux/AnatomyThreadSlux_Review.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
09-30-2005, 07:07 PM
Ahhh I see :scream: that reminds me I really need to work on my anatomy skills but don't worry I just need some time :).
Ohh and btw really nice picture.
Well I can't do much about it since my picture is drawn on the paper ... and this reminds me that I could switch to digital painting ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
09-30-2005, 08:42 PM
Slux,

I'm not too worried about you, I'm quite sure you'll get there. ;) While of course you can switch to digital media, I am not completely sure that I would absolutely recommend doing so at all times...the key thing about traditional media is that it forces you to really focus and pay attention to what you are doing, as fixes are not as easy to make in traditional vs. digital media. It's sort of like working out...if you work out with heavier weights, you're bound to get stronger. It is not to say that digital media is not difficult, it has it's own challenges, but you are quite accomplished with digital media, and it is not something which is a big weakness for you. So, that is my thought with respect to traditional media. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
09-30-2005, 10:39 PM
Hmmmm I see well than I guess I will try both. I will draw some pictures traditionally and some digitally :). But I guess I will draw all sketches tradionally and than I may scan some of these and finish them digitally. Right now its easier for me to draw sketches traditionally because I own smallest and cheapest wacom tablet what they sell. Its A6 Volito so its not even Graphire series ... :sad: Its ok for painting but its little more uncomfortable for sketching because its very small area and also it has 50% sensitivity of more expensive tablets ... I woud really like to work with Intuos 3 A4 :D I hope that tablet fairy will get me one .... ohh may be I should write to Santa Claus ... hopefully he could help me :D ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
09-30-2005, 10:45 PM
I myself have been wishing for the BOXX fairy...:D

raptor|3D
10-01-2005, 02:26 PM
Well, in that case I have been wishing for Cintiq fairy.

Slux
10-01-2005, 09:55 PM
Hi
I was little busy today so only one pic :sad:. I was doing some webdesign for my friend. Its not finished yet but in case you would be interested its here

http://www.wolfandgang.com (http://www.wolfandgang.com/)

Its not finished yet but I work on it. Ohh and btw it looks like he want it to look :) He always sits there and looks over my shoulder and says "Could you try this, oh little bit to the left ... yeah great and may be we should ..." lol you can imagine :scream:

Ehmm but anyway at least some before and after. When I finish my work I blend it. You can compare results ... it takes same extra time but I think it looks better ... I guess I could skip this step because its not very educative and these drawing are supposed to be just studies .. hmm never mind ...

Here it is
007 - 1. 10. 2005

Before
http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic007-1-small.jpg

After
http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic007-2-small.jpg


- Slux

Rebeccak
10-01-2005, 10:18 PM
Slux,

Cool website, indeed you are multi~talented! Lol, we all know what 'clients' are like. :scream:

In terms of your drawing/s, I think it's great to take these as far 'blending'~wise as you like...it reinforces what you do or don't know, and helps you to take the time to see things more clearly, which is really the goal behind 'rendering' pieces such as this. :)

I think your major weaknesses are arms and faces, as your torsos seem pretty strong, and legs not bad. I would suggest doing some arm studies when you get the time or inclination, as I think most of the arms I've seen you draw have been a bit thin and on the unstructured side. Arms, particularly female arms which have less muscular build, can be tough to draw if you don't know a bit about their anatomy, which you can exaggerate in a drawing to bring out.

Here are a few examples from the web, but I always encourage people to buy / draw from anatomy books, as they are the best resources for study.

http://catalog.nucleusinc.com/imagescooked/11631W.jpg

http://catalog.nucleusinc.com/imagescooked/11631W.jpg


http://people.musc.edu/%7Ebacrotr/anatomy_on_the_web/images/arm.gif

http://people.musc.edu/~bacrotr/anatomy_on_the_web/images/arm.gif (http://people.musc.edu/%7Ebacrotr/anatomy_on_the_web/images/arm.gif)

http://www.bartleby.com/107/Images/large/image411.gif

http://www.bartleby.com/107/Images/large/image411.gif

Keep up the great work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-01-2005, 10:32 PM
Thanks for crits yeah I guess my hands are little uninterestrering lol ... frankly I don't know much about muscles in a hand ... :eek: and I have a pleny of anatomy books .. its my hobby to collect learning material ... I just have to read it well that wouldn't be a problem but reading is clearly not enough ... it has to be practised and it takes a lot of time ... but I will start my anatomy study soon ... right know I have to finish some things ... and than very intensive anatomy study :D I want to know everything! ....

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-01-2005, 10:34 PM
Slux,

You have great enthusiasm, and I'm sure once you start your anatomy studies in earnest, you will improve very rapidly. :) Of this, I have no doubt.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Loulu79
10-02-2005, 12:15 AM
So far so good...your first sketch looks more stylized than on the realism. Looking at your works so far...I sense your strongest is male anatomy...but the last woman looks better...only that her face looks cartoony and thus needs a bit more detail.


My two cents and great works you got ther ;)

Slux
10-02-2005, 09:32 AM
So far so good...your first sketch looks more stylized than on the realism. Looking at your works so far...I sense your strongest is male anatomy...but the last woman looks better...only that her face looks cartoony and thus needs a bit more detail.


My two cents and great works you got ther ;)

Hi thanks for crits
Hmm the first picture wasn't supposed to be stylized rather rough. It took me 1/4 time what takes my latest pictures. Hmm dunno what I could do about faces ... thery are prety small and paper is quite rough so its little more difficult to draw small details .. hmmm may be I could use harder pencils that would be little easier but I will do some face study later ... there is so many things i need to practise .... ahhh and it takes a lot of time but I guess I have to keep going and wait for results :) ...

- Slux

Slux
10-04-2005, 07:42 PM
SHADING

Hi
Someone asked me how I shade my pictures so I have thought that I could show you how I work. But be aware I'am just beginner so I don't claim that all my methods are right and that its olny way how to do it. There is a lot of methods how to achive these results and all artists have their own preferences so you may try it and use what works for you best.

At first what tools I use. Notning special. You may check photo below (ohh and sorry for crappy quality but my camera is very old and its just crap). As you can see I have set of ordinary Kooh-I-Noor graphite pencils. This set is from 2H to 8B. For these of you who are not familiar with this there is a little explanation
Pencils are divided into categories whole range is below
10H, 9H, 8H, 7H, 6H, 5H, 4H, 3H, 2H, 1H, F, HB, B, 2B, 3B, 4B, 5B, 6B, 7B, 8B (9B - this should be pure graphite)
Categories with H are considered as Hard and are good for technical drawing.
Categories with B are considered as soft and are good for art.
In practise this shows how much graphite each pencil contains. Hard pencils contains a little graphite and more of another substances. They aren't very good for drawing because you can't get very dark tones and they are also hard to erase. Kategories with bigger number and H contains less graphite than these with higher number.
Same applies for kategories with B - these with higher number contains more graphite and it gives you darker values and thats very important for art drawing because without dark tones you won't be able to achieve higher contrast and your drawings will be flat and uninterestering.
All artists have their own preferences. I use only 3 pencils. HB, 1B, 4B.
HB - its the yellow pencil below, I use it only for sketching. Its good for sketching because its not too dark and its easy to erase.
4B - I use this one for shading. So basically all shading is done just with this one pencil. As I said for shading you should really use 4B or softer (6B seems to be quite popular too but I'am fine with 4B) otherwise you won't be able to draw darker values. (the green pencil below)
1B - I don't use this one very often, only sometimes for small details because softer pencils may not be that good for small details. (btw its the red pencil on the picture below)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-tools.jpg

Ok so now you know something about pencils. Another important thing is how you hold your pencil. I have noticed that a lot of starting artists hold their pencils near the tip. Its not very good for shading because its quite difficult (especially for starting artist) to maintain constant presure. The result is that your shading is very inconsistent and looks very messy. Because you have a little control over your pressure and somewhere its dark and somewhere light and its not consistent.


When I do shading I always hold pencil at the end (see the picture bellow) Its much easier to control your presure and shading is consistant. I usually put very little pressure on the pencil. Sometimes I just let the weight of the pencil to draw. When I need darker values I put more presure on the pencil with my thumb (see the picture bellow).
I don't try to get all shading done at the first try. At first I shade it lightly and when I need darker values and shade that place over and over (lightly) and it gets darker. It takes more time but you have more control over it so if you make some mistakes its not a problem because its not final value yet you just shade whole picture lightly, than you compare all values and you see where you need to darken it more and where is already dark enough. If you shade your picture at first try its difficult to get all values right because not all parts of picture are complete yet and you have nothing to compare it with.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-shading.jpg

When I need to draw details I hold my pencil closer to the tip or in the middle (see the picture bellow). Its better becase when you draw small details you need firm hand and thats not the case when you hold it at the end.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-details.jpg

Ok so now you know what pencil to choose and how to hold it. Now something about shading itself. When you shade object you need to pay very good attention to shadows and highlights thats what it is all about. If you are just a beginner its good idea to take some time and just look at the object you are about to draw - analyze it. Pay very good attention to all shadows and highlights. When you think you know your object well you may begin wite shading. When I shade I always start from dark and continue to light (see the picture bellow). If you put your pencil on the paper it automatically creates dark spot and when you lift it from paper it automatically creates brighter values so it make sence to shade from dark to light. It would be difficult to do it the other way around. Because if you would want to to achive constant shading from dark to light it would be very difficult to start from light.

Another thing you should consider is that all your strokes should copy the shape of the object you want to draw (see the picture bellow). Its not necessary because values creates depth so what is really iportant are values but if you copy shape of the object it helps to read the form better. But you should definitely choose one direction and you should not change it every five seconds because than it looks prety messy.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-shading2.jpg

Smearing
Another interesting technique is smearing. You don't have to do it but it may give you interesting results. There is a lot of ways how you can smear. Lets see same examples.
On the picture bellow you can see same examples.
On the left are unsmeared value ranges and on the right side are results after smearing

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-smearing.jpg

1) For this on I have used for smmearing my fingers. You have probably tryed it yourself. Its prety common technique. I usually don't use my fingers for smearing because it not very precise. Fingers are quite thick and its difficult to smear small areas because you usually smear everything around. Also your fingers are covered in graphite and it may be prety messy bacause when you touch something you will leave there some graphite you have on your fingers, its very easy to make your picture dirty. Also your fingers are oily and this helps grahite to hold on paper better. It may be hard to erase it.

2) This one was smeared with smearing stick. Its made of hard paper and you can buy it in art stores (see the first picture its that white stick). This is better for smudging because it has a tip and you can buy it in various sizes so it can be very good even for very precise shading. Also be aware that after some smearing it gets dirty and its full of graphite so it actually draws so when you shade with it your values usually gets darker. You may clean it but I just let it as it is I don't mind.

3) Thats what I usually use - regular bristle brushes (see on the first picture) when I'am finished with shading I just smear it with brushes. You can use various sizes of brushes I use number 2 and 4. These are just regular flat bristle brushes. It may take little more time to smear it really well but you have more control over it and you can achieve very subtle smearing. As you can see on the picture tips of the brushes are black because they are full of graphite so you can actually draw with it but its very subtle so be aware when you shade some highlights. But its easy to clean them if you want it I just leave them as they are.

OK now little demonstration.
At first I just draw sketch with HB pencil.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-1-small.jpg

Then I use my 4B pencil for shading. At first I just shade whole picture lightly.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-2-small.jpg

When first shading is finished I use it as a guide for my final shading. I slowly built up my picture and I constanly compare all values.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-3-small.jpg

After that I use bristle brushes for smearing
And thats it

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic008-4-small.jpg

I Hope its at least little bit usefull
btw sorry for my english ... if you want I may post more examples later
cheers
- Slux

fooxoo
10-04-2005, 07:46 PM
Woo, cool never thought of smearing stuff with a bristle brush, hmmm gonna try that :D

Slux
10-04-2005, 07:54 PM
Woo, cool never thought of smearing stuff with a bristle brush, hmmm gonna try that :D

I'am glad you find it usefull :scream: ...

- Slux

NOOB!
10-04-2005, 08:34 PM
hmm,i was always taught that you should start with the dark tones and work your way up to light.seems u started with the midtones...

looks good though.

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 09:02 PM
Slux,

Your tutorial is fabulous! Please do post more images...I think it's just great that you've done this! :applause:

Great step~by~step photos and nice write up of your procedure. What was that about your 'horrible English'? LOL!! :scream: Great stuff!!! :bounce:

I'm going to link this in the Tutorial Links thread. :) Here's the link. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2606755&postcount=10)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

warpy
10-05-2005, 02:36 PM
rebecca,

guess who asked for this :P..
been doing lots of stuff but havent posted them lately, soon.

pushav
10-06-2005, 01:39 AM
Slux-Lol. You shade the same way that I do. I like to hold my pencil high but I use the rendering grip and a plain hb pencil only tho'.

Noob-Darks first? I was taught light layers of light and build your way to dark. As my professor would put it "Many light layers on top of each other equals darker tones." He had us use only one pencil to teach us pressure and pencil control.

Nice tutorials

Slux
10-06-2005, 11:03 AM
Hi
I'am glad you like it guys ... I may do some revisions later, well we will see

Uff I was little busy lately I was hit by that big news you know about autodesk and alias .. I didn't see that coming at all .. well I'am XSI user but anyway
Hmm it seems I should stick to pencil lol :)

Oh and btw I usally start with darks and midtones as well ... I just shade it with same value at first (very lightly) and that I darken what needs to be darken ... I don't touch white at all thats the reason why I almost don't use eraser at all ...

And yes it was Warpyy who asked for it :) ...

- Slux

NOOB!
10-06-2005, 04:24 PM
Slux-Lol. You shade the same way that I do. I like to hold my pencil high but I use the rendering grip and a plain hb pencil only tho'.

Noob-Darks first? I was taught light layers of light and build your way to dark. As my professor would put it "Many light layers on top of each other equals darker tones." He had us use only one pencil to teach us pressure and pencil control.



yeh exactly,but thats not exactly what i meant,i can't think of a way to explain it,nevermind..

Slux
10-07-2005, 09:31 PM
Hi
Uff another pic. I have dicided that I should speed up because it takes me to my time. So here is my new picture. It took me 1.5 hour so in terms of speed its success because it usually takes me much longer but its not much success in terms of quality ... well but its just a study anyway.
Rebbeca suggested that I should loosen my drawings so I will try it. I may experiment with this picture little more ... I would like to try some new mediums like charchoal or something like that .. just for quick gesture drawings ... oh we will see

If some of you look for nude pictures for your studies than I may recommend this site. You will find there a lot of nice nude pictures (womans only)
Just click on the name of gallery (on the left) and download what you want :)

http://www.gods-art.de/pics-mpl/gal-page1-mpl.html

Ok and here is the picture
009 - 7. 10. 2005

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic009-small.jpg

- Slux

pushav
10-07-2005, 09:43 PM
Nice work Slux. Keep them coming.:applause:

Rebeccak
10-07-2005, 09:56 PM
Slux,

That's a good link ~ you ought to post it in the Anatomy Reference thread.

Some of the sites are better than others ~ the more artistic ones are more to my taste. ;)

It's good to see your new drawing ~ I think what I would recommend most for you is to study individual components of the body, one at a time. This will help you to gain a better understanding of proportion, and of the underlying form and structure of things.

In this image, I think the arms are quite a bit short ~ and the lower body generally (legs mainly) would match a person twice the size as that suggested by the upper body.

I recommend tracing the image, just to see where the proportions are off. This can be quite useful.

The other thing I highly recommend doing is Master Copies. There is no better way to learn how to draw than to copy those who went before you. You would be surprised, I think, at how much you will learn. :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-08-2005, 05:24 PM
Hi
Ok I was experimenting a bit today ... I was trying to draw the same picture as yesterday but faster ane more loose. Well I have tried to draw exactly for 10 minutes each and results were prety bad ... 10 minutes seems to be a long time but when I draw it seems like minute ... the advantage is that I'am fully concentrated ... when I draw pictures like I have drawn before I may get bored after some time but its not case with these fast and loose drawings. I just don't know if this is the right kind of excersise or how long shoud I draw one pic.

I would like to hear some opinions if this is good exercise or not ... or rather what kind of excersises would be good

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic010-small.jpg


Well right now I'am still trying to figure out what is for me the best way to learn and I still don't know.
Yeah I know I should study anatomy thats what I do - sort of, I practise from Loomise book ... here you can see some examples what I have drawn today

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic010-loomis.jpg

I draw a lot of these .. over and over until I can get it right. I don't post it here because its too simple and as I said I draw it over and over. When I will be finished with loomis I will start to practise from another book I have a lot of books.
(btw if you would wonder this example above was drawn with ink but I usually use only pencil).

to Rebbeca:
And yeah I will practise from old masters and probably from not that old masters too :D hmm but right now I'am not sure what would be the best way because these painting are usually prety complicated. (btw I'am prepared to try new mediums or whatever will be necessary)

If you have some ideas, excersises or whatever let me know please ... I'am tryting to figure out what to do.
What I know is that I want to finish whole Loomis book and than start with another. But I would like to do something else too because its not that much fun to copy these pictures whole day.
These fast scribbles seems as good idea too because I'am really worried about my speed. And don't worry I won't post every scribble :D ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-08-2005, 05:52 PM
Slux,

Your dedication and focus is quite inspiring! :applause: I think it's great you're willing to trying new things. :)

I think it might be helpful to take a look at the following threads / posts. Most of these are taken from the Life Drawing thread:

Life Drawings - Post Your Life Drawings! From Class or Workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257531&page=1&pp=15)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257531&page=1&pp=15

Pixel Colada's Gesture Drawings: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2683115&postcount=75)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2683115&postcount=75

Lipten's gestural drawings: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2708348&postcount=104)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2708348&postcount=104

Pixel Colada's Drawing Materials: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2687901&postcount=84)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2687901&postcount=84

My and Pixel Colada's Drawing Materials: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2697744&postcount=96)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2697744&postcount=96

I really think you ought to try to do 3 things:

1. Take a look at Burne Hogarth's Drawings / Books.

Mike has some copies of Burne Hogarth's work in the Master Copy thread. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257446)

2. Try drawing with Charcoal pencil. (The above links show materials)

3. Attend a live Figure Drawing Workshop if there is one in your area. Try drawing Gesture Drawings (2~5 minute poses, which are timed).

One can learn drawing in any number of ways. Nothing you are doing is 'wrong'. In fact, I think you're doing a great job. These are just some suggestions. Feel free to ask me any questions! I think you also ought to ask Sheff some questions ~ as he does some beautiful figure drawings. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-11-2005, 02:53 PM
Hi
Hey Rebbeca thanks for links it really helps ... I have read through all links and I must say I have found there a lot of useful informations. I want to get better so I really listen to what others say ... I even take notes hehe :) Its interesting to hear about exercises what others do in schools.

I have started to draw some 2-5 minutes sketches and its fun .. and its also prety hard lol :) but I don't give up. I will post some examples later.
Also I think that these charchoal pencils would be really great for this. Unfortunately I can't get them now because they don't sell them around ... but I will buy them in another town later ...
Tips about sharpening are great too ... I have used only sharpener but knife is better.

Oh and btw today I bought my first paints (gouache well not really but something like that) ... so I have tried to paint my first traditional picture ... heh its really fun, my painting sucks because I hardly know what to do but anyway its fun ...
Here it is .. my first traditional painting :D

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting001-small.jpg

Ok ok now you can laugh at me lol ... I know its sucks but I was just trying to work with paint.

Btw if someone has some useful tips, advices, excercises than I would like to hear them :) not just about painting but about drawing and whatever could help me ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-11-2005, 03:06 PM
Slux,

This is great to see! I am really happy that you are trying traditional painting...I think it will really affect and alter how and what you see. And, I love the looseness of this piece ~ I think it is actually quite good, as it shows your understanding of basic value relationships as expressed through a monochromatic painting. Good stuff! :thumbsup:

I will try to post more later...but I must say I think this is a great route to take. Are these acrylics, perhaps? At any rate, at some point you ought to try oils. If you have an allergy to oils or to turpentine (it's VERY messy, and you will need almost a garage to work with oils properly) there are also water ~ mixable oils, which I haven't tried but have heard are pretty good.

Glad the links were useful! :) I'd really like to see more paintings like these!

Cheers,

~Rebecca

urgaffel
10-11-2005, 03:11 PM
That painting is really good, I can hardly believe it's your first time with traditional painting :) Looking forward to seeing more stuff from you! I wish I could play with traditional paints too... No space for it yet :sad:

Slux
10-11-2005, 04:16 PM
Hi Rebbeca ... hehe no these are not acrylics we call them tempera (dunno if you use that world because it was not in my dictionary. Old masters used this before oils. I like it because its like gouache you can dilute it with water and its prety easy to use not like oils lol :) BUT I'am I definitely will try oils later. Actually tha was my first idea .. to paint with oils but I have done some reading and found that its quite complicated and expensive. It wouldn't be such a problem (at least for me) for serious paintings but I have tought that it wouldn't be best for such a amater like me :) so I think for practising is gouache/tempera really great .. it doesn't smell and you can dilute it with water.

Oh and btw Rebbeca you said that it would be really great to attend some drawing course to draw from life ... I think it would really help me but I'am afraid that there isn't anything like this around. So at least I have bought myself a frend hahaha (I have got him yesterday) :) Say hello to mr. David

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/david.jpg

This photo is terrible because of my ancient camera (hmm thats another thing I would like to buy but new Wacom tablet is what I really need now lol) hmm but he looks really great the photo doesn't make him any justice (btw its not plaster its sandstone and its prety hard and heavy too). So thats what I have for life drawing now yeah and I have also myself :).
Btw don't worry Rebbeca you will see a lot of my crappy paintings because I really enjoy it actually more that drawing ...



Hey Urgaffel
I'am glad you like it. btw these gouache/tempera paints are really great it doesn't smell and you don't need much space. I do it on my table and its not messy at all :). Oh and its very cheap ... I don't use student version these are profesional paints but anyway its really cheap ... and one nice guy have shop where I can buy them 2 minutes from my house thats really great if I run out of paints it take me 5 minutes to get new hahaha :scream:.

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-11-2005, 04:34 PM
Slux,

WOW! I'm quite impressed you've bought a bust!!! :scream: I think that's actually REALLY cool, and I hope that Dave serves you well. :)

Oh, cool, tempera paints then! I haven't used these much, but I'm sure you're right about them being good for practice. :)


Btw don't worry Rebbeca you will see a lot of my crappy paintings because I really enjoy it actually more that drawing ...
ROFL...I can't wait to see more of your 'crappy' paintings my friend! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-11-2005, 08:44 PM
Hi here I'am again with another painting
Ok so this is officially my first little more serious traditional painting. The previous one was just a little test :). But I still don't have idea what the heck I'am doing lol ... I don't think that these paints do what I would like them to do :) ... I hope that its just lack of practise :scream: ...

Anyway here it is ... crappy painting number 2 (oh and btw this one was with reference the previous one was straigh out of my head)

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting002-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-11-2005, 08:50 PM
Slux,

Unfortunately, I'd be more qualified to give you advice on oil or acrylic painting than tempera, but I think any medium will require several trial paintings just to get used to the medium. I think painting faces is a good idea. I recommend trying to paint several SMALL (thumbnail size) faces, maybe 15 or so in a 2 week period, and just try to get the basic light and dark forms ~ not worrying about details AT ALL ~ you'd be amazed at how much little information you need to get something to 'read' ~ as long as you have the major light and dark shapes right, you will instantly recognize a face.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-11-2005, 09:28 PM
oooookeeey now I think I know where is problem ... I have just read in one book tha this kind of paints is not good for modelling ... you know creating soft transitions and thats necessary for precise modeling and thats also what I was trying to do ... the reason is probably that it dries too fast ... so you can't use it like oils.
The right approach is probably sort of sketchy painting .. you know just a fast painting where you can see easily all strokes. Because you can't really blend colors ...
Hmmm never mind I think that sketchy paintings are what I need anyway ... because I always spend to much time on details ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-11-2005, 10:03 PM
Slux,

When you can, I would try oils. You don't have to buy a ton of colors...in fact, in the beginning stages, I would highly recommend using a very limited pallette of just a few colors.

You will need space for oil painting, that's the big problem (and why I don't do much oil painting anymore, unfortunately). The other thing you might try is acrylics. They're tricky, but I can give you some tips.

But, ultimately it is less the medium than the practice that counts. An artist who uses oil paints in a highly sophisticated way is F. Scott Hess. I had his head painting class as an undergrad. His work is amazing, and highly detailed. He studied in Vienna, I think.

Here's a link to his work. (http://www.realart.com/hfg/html/contemp-html/hess-html/hess_main.html)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
10-12-2005, 04:58 AM
Slux,

You should definitely check out the Oil Painting process shots which PixelColada / Sheff just posted here on the Life Painting thread:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2730147#post2730147

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-12-2005, 01:56 PM
Hi Rebbeca thanks for link .. his work looks great thats for sure ... ehmm not like mine.
What I'am trying to do now is to get same results in quality of his second picture where you can see all brush strokes but it still look good.
I can't really do his step 3 because tis not possible with paints I use. They dries too fast so you can't blend them.
And btw I have seen a lot of oil paint demos .. some really good. I have also read quite a few books about oil paintings (btw thats what I do very often - a lof of reading, I should read less and practise more) so I sort of now what its all about. Because at first I wanted to paint with oils but is more difficult and more expensive.
Hmmm the price of paints don't bother me to much its rather another things around it especially canvases. That guy who have shop near my house creates canvases professionally and he can do whatever I would ask him for and I actually think he is cheaper than lot of art shops but anyway its little too much just for this practise painting .. I wouldn't mind to use it for serious paintings but I can't paint anything serious yet and btw I know I can paint on different kinds of boards and so on but anyway .. its quite a lot of trouble with it like all these smelly thinners and you have to have some place for it.

Hmmm but here is my another painting ... seems I'am slowly getting worse ...this one is quite terrible

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting003-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-12-2005, 03:40 PM
Slux,

Style~wise, I don't think this piece is 'terrible' at all. In point of fact, I rather like this better than some of your more rendered pieces ~ this has a really nice texture and looseness to it which is exactly what I think you need. It has a bit of a Picasso~esque feeling to it, actually, hee hee! :)

Keep going! I'm really liking these paintings of yours. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-12-2005, 07:31 PM
HI there
Okeeeeey here is my another painting, I still can't decide if like it or not ... well but its probably better than usually because usually I just don't like it and thats it lol :) ...
Ok here it is ...

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting004-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-12-2005, 10:42 PM
Slux,

I think the key thing to remember is that the human hand is roughly the size of the human face. Hold your own hand up against your face (being careful not to smother yourself, for this is bad) :) and notice the size equivalency.

I think in this piece the face is quite nice, but the hand tiny in relationship to the face and the rest of the body.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
10-13-2005, 12:40 AM
Heh, I'm just like you, Slux. Too much reading and not enough practice. :)

In fact, I just got a book on basic art techniques yesterday and I ran into something you might be interested in: soft pastel. You can blend it and it doesn't require canvas. Although there could be issues with dust.

There is a good overview of pastels on wikipedia here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastel)

Slux
10-13-2005, 11:50 PM
Hey rebbeca yeah I know that hand is little too small actually I was worried about that too but than I have decided to leave it as it is. Hmmm strange I'am still not able to copy foto very accurately may be it would look better if I would spend more time on it but I try to draw faster but its still too slow anyway ...

Heh, I'm just like you, Slux. Too much reading and not enough practice. :)

In fact, I just got a book on basic art techniques yesterday and I ran into something you might be interested in: soft pastel. You can blend it and it doesn't require canvas. Although there could be issues with dust.

Hi yeah I know about pastels I have tried it loooong time ago lol I thinkl I still have them somewhere :) I may try them again later ...

Hmm and here is my another painting. Only one because I was too busy today.
This one looked quite good like a pencil sketch I was actually little afraid that I will mess it up and well I did .. and prety badly :cry: .... emm I should change style this looks like some comics cell art and not like painting ....

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting005-small.jpg

- Slux

pushav
10-14-2005, 12:06 AM
nice monotone paintings. Keep pumping theese out.:)

Rebeccak
10-14-2005, 12:47 AM
Slux,

Something I recommend trying with these paintings is to draw over them in Photoshop, just with a small paintbrush in some visible color, like yellow, at 75% opacity or so, what you think the correct drawing / proportions should be. (Or, since the painting is probably dry, you can even take a piece of tracing paper, and trace overtop of this image). The beauty of digital art is that all paintings are salvageable. You should always save some record of your work, no matter how early you created it, as you can chart your progress this way and digitally fix old work.

Here, I'm not suggesting that you turn this into a digital painting, but rather, that you trace over it to find your flaws so that the next painting you do, you will be more aware of the drawing problems. Remember that Drawing IS Painting, and that the better you draw, the better you will paint. Each process is beneficial to the other ~ so I'm happy to see you doing both. Keep at it!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-14-2005, 09:10 PM
Hi Rebbeca hmm yeah I know what you mean .. I have done it few times, it may be useful I should probably try it from time to time but my main problem isn't that I couldn't tell whats wrong my problem is to get it right in some resonable time. It would be better if I would spend more time on it but I'am not sure if thats what I want.

Ok some examples of how long it takes me
rough line sketch without shading on whole A4 - about 10 minutes
with basic shading well 15-20 minutes
If I want to draw accurate line sketch than 30 minutes
for whole piece - sketch + tight shading on A4 2-3 hours
same for painting 10 minutes sketch + 2 hours painting
loose painting about 30 minutes
I think thats too long ...

What I need is to draw faster and more accurately


to Pushav
Hi thanks ooh don't worry I will :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-14-2005, 09:26 PM
Slux,

I think one of the most beneficial things you could try is a Master Copy. I'm not sure it matters how long it takes you to do these ~ when you are learning something, it is best to take your time to learn something completely rather than quickly (I'm not criticizing, I'm just saying speed needn't be a big concern). If you would like to stick with painting, I would suggest at some point trying a Master Copy in tempera ~ this way, you have a reference from which to judge not only proportions but also technique and brush~stroke ~ whereas with some of the Reference you are using, the emphasis is less on the artistic set~up than the beauty of the model, and this is not always the best Reference from which to create art.

Have you seen Ben's pictures at: http://justmeina.deviantart.com/gallery/ and
Hong Ly's site, http://www.characterdesigns.com/photosets.asp?

I think these are more artistic photographs, and more geared toward artistic study than some of the Reference which you are using.

I also recommend drawing from statues or pictures of statues / sculpture, as the form will be more evident in such than in a photograph of a model.

It's all up to you, these are just suggestions. :) You're doing quite well, and have a good program laid out. I think as long as you stick with doing something steadily, you will no doubt improve.

Cheers,

~Rebecca

Slux
10-14-2005, 09:43 PM
Hmm master copy yeah I know what you mean :) ... its definitely on my to do list. I like especially all these antiques sculptures/paintings I will definitely try some of these and especially some from my favourite old master mr. Leonardo da Vinci :) ...

Hmm I'am not sure if trying to paint some old master painting in tempera is good idea because its not very good for detailed paintings with smooth transitions. I think oil would be better for this ... actually I may try to paint something in oil later I wouldn't mind to use it for some serious study like to paint whole painting from old master.

Btw thanks for links I think I will try some of these reference pictures :)
and I will check out that artist you have posted too.

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-14-2005, 09:49 PM
No prob! :) I think you would do beautifully on Master Copies, and I can see you really enjoying delving into a DaVinci copy. Once your figurative skills catch up to your still life skills, you will be a force to be reckoned with! ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-14-2005, 09:57 PM
Ok today I have decided to paint some very loose paintings .. actually I think that these tempera paints are best for this kind of painting.
first two paintings were based on instructions in one book the last one is based on photo reference :)
I think that the first one is worst mainly because I have left out white for highlights well but thats because when these paints dries they change color ... well I didn't pay much attention in first painting - obviously
Second one si slightly better and I think last one is best of these
It took me about 7-10 minutes to sketch it and another 30 to paint it

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting006-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
10-14-2005, 09:58 PM
http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting007-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
10-14-2005, 09:59 PM
http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting008-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-14-2005, 10:10 PM
Slux,

You know, it's funny, because I actually like your first piece best. This is exactly the kind of looseness I think you need to achieve, as blocking in the basic forms is really key to getting all of your proportions right in a painting. You can always take something simplified and make it more complex, but it is very hard to take something you've painted in a complex way and make it simple ~ you just become too afraid to destroy your work. So I think taking the approach of the first painting is actually really good, in that it allows you to see basic forms first, and then break those basic forms down into more complex ones.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-16-2005, 10:41 PM
Hi
Uff unfortunately I was quite busy few last days so didn't paint anything .. until today.
I was busy with some web design and also with shopping
Hmm I have bought myself nice big easel and also another friend lol :) ...
I think I should try some oil paintings .. hmm later may be ...

Ok so here are my new ehmm scribbles. These usually takes about 30 minutes to paint

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting009-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
10-16-2005, 10:41 PM
http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting010-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
10-16-2005, 10:42 PM
http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting011-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-16-2005, 11:20 PM
Slux,

I think your proportions are getting better! Nice gesture in the first and last pieces especially. :) I think loose pieces are doing you a lot of good...sometimes the medium dictates how much detail you are able to get, and in this case, I think the limitation of the medium (tempera) is helping you to go after the bigger picture, which is nice to see. Keep going with these. When do we get to meet your new 'friend'? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-16-2005, 11:33 PM
Hmm hehe yeah I have decided to paint this kind of loose paintings .. its best for tempera I don't try to paint these detailed pieces like before :) Ohhh but its really relaxing .. these loose paintings .. hmm

And about my friend ... soon very soon :scream: actually I think you all know him very well he is a wooden manikin that kind what artists use for a while
and I should draw Dave soon too unfortunately so far I have been too busy :sad:

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-16-2005, 11:43 PM
Well, just be careful you protect Dave's ego...he might be threatened with a new kid on the block! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-17-2005, 02:30 PM
Hi
Here are another two paintings I have done this morning :)

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting012-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
10-17-2005, 02:32 PM
http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting013-small.jpg

- Slux

catamount
10-17-2005, 10:17 PM
http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic010-loomis.jpg

curious - looking at the no.15 drawing. it looks "squint" are my eyes going funny?the mouth i mean

Slux
10-21-2005, 07:12 PM
Hi guys
Uff I haven't had much time lately because I have got a job to do some webdesign which is fine because I need some money ... weeeeeeell who doesn't right ? :) But I don't have much time now because they want it to have finished ASAP. So don't worry I haven't quit :)

Ok to make my post at least little bit useful I have some interesting link for you guys.
I was pointed to some thread on conceptart.org and wow there is a lot of informations for traditional artists .. don't worry I won't leave you guys lol :) I just lurk there and try to absorb somethink useful.
Because I'am very serious about my work I take notes everytime when I find some useful advice, tip, pictures whatever ...
And I have found there some very useful advices and pictures from Kevin Chen. He is (or used to be - dunno) teacher at Art center/Gnomon and he posted there some sketches from classes and also some useful advices - really great stuff :) (btw its about figure drawing/sketching). Well but its not available because links doesn't work there anymore but luckily some guy save it to his website so you can download it from there :thumbsup:
Have fun

Here it is
Kevin Chen stuff (http://raven.sixdot.net/Kevin%20Chen/)

- Slux




curious - looking at the no.15 drawing. it looks "squint" are my eyes going funny?the mouth i mean

Ehmm who knows :)

Slux
10-26-2005, 12:15 PM
Hi
I was away for a while but I'am here again.
I have decided to make my study little more interesting so I have started to study horse anatomy and no I haven't quit to study human anatomy .. no way there is so many things I have to learn ...

Anyway here are some of my sketches ... I have drawn much more of these but I post only better examples of my work lol ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/horses/horse001-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-27-2005, 12:42 AM
Slux,

Nice work!!! It's great to see you do these anatomy studies ~ any studies like these are really useful, and will help you grow as an artist. Beautiful work on the lower jaw bones particularly!!! Looking forward to seeing more. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-27-2005, 03:27 PM
Hi I'am glad you like it :)

Ok here is another skull ... it was just a little experiment :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/horses/horse002-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-28-2005, 12:08 AM
Slux,
Hmmm, I think your "little experiment" turned out beautifully!!! :bounce:~ Wow, when you really focus on an object, you really focus on an object! :thumbsup:

When you're finished with this, I would just suggest cleaning up the borders digitally and presenting it well for inclusion in a portfolio. By the way, I hope you have your Skull which you did for the Anatomy Review backed up and such, and that you regularly back up all of your work. It would be such a shame for your beautiful pieces to get lost! So please, make sure to keep copies of your digital work on cd or external hard drive. :)

Great to see you working so hard on your thread, Slux! You are an inspiration to many. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-28-2005, 05:32 PM
Hi
Thanks for kind words :)
Backups?... of course I ....... don't back up anythink :scream: yeah I know I should
that reminds me I should start with that asap ...
I guess people don't backup until they actually lost some important files well and thats too late for backup ... :)

Ok here are another skulls

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/horses/horse003-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 12:49 AM
Slux,

Wow, more nice pieces from you! Impressive! :)

With respect to backups, at the VERY LEAST email yourself a jpg version of your piece/s, so at least it's SOMEWHERE besides your hard drive. I hear too many horror stories of work which has gotten lost ~ and the time spent is irreplaceable! Enough said. ;)

Are you working from photo reference for these, or do you have this skull in your possession? Do you have, as they say, skeletons in your closet? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
10-29-2005, 02:53 AM
Good stuff, Slux! :thumbsup:

Which reminds me...
Must focus...
Must draw...
Must not be distracted...

Whoops, too late. :D

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 04:25 AM
C'mon CBee! You can DO it! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-29-2005, 12:16 PM
Hi Rebbeca
Oh I wish I would have a real skull :) that would save me a lot of time because actually I'am still not sure how exactly it looks in 3D ... if you know what I mean .. especially those areas around eyes are quite tricky ... So I work from photo references but its not easy because its hard to find any good photos and there are usually only front and side shots which is fine if you want to get some sort of idea how it looks but its not enough to really know how it looks in 3D well at least not for me :).
So if anyone have some good references pls let me know.

But I hope that at least I will get myself a human skull .. not real one but on of those anatomical plastic skulls you know :)

Hi CBee (Mr. Leonardo :scream:) ..I'am glad you like it ... uhh and I should draw more too. Good luck with your drawing :thumbsup: ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 05:05 PM
Slux,

Yep, I've thought of getting a skeleton replica also, but full ones are in the $3,000 range :eek: ~ plus, it would seriously freak me out to have a REAL skeleton in the closet! :scream: So...I will rely on photo reference for the time being. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-29-2005, 06:08 PM
Hi
So here is my another painting ... well I was in mood for some painting so I painted you guess it horse skull :)

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting014-small.jpg

And when I was finished with painting there was still some paint on the palette so I have decided that I will try to paint something very quick ... and here it is .. its painted directly with paint so no sketching with pencil or anything like that ...

http://paintings.sluxweb.net/practise/painting014-1-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 06:17 PM
Slux,

The skull is quite nice! The figures have some problems, but I think it's a matter of doing those anatomy studies. :) I also think it's better to draw from Master Copies at first, vs. model shots / live figure. You'll definitely get a better sense of how to represent form in 2~dimensions that way, as well as be able to pick up shorthand ways for noting form on the page. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
10-29-2005, 07:27 PM
Hmm yeah I know these figures have quite a few problems mainly because they were painted quickly and directly with paint so I couldn't fix any errors ...

I will do some master studies later but right now I try to focus on anatomy .. to understant how it works :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 10:38 PM
Slux,

You are really great at doing drawings of bones, I am surprised you don't do more drawings of human bones! :) Your renderings of objects is always really fantastic, and putting it all together in terms of figurative painting is only a matter of time, and of using a better medium than tempera. ;) ~ I really think you would make big strides with using oil paints, but I know you are restricted in terms of space ~ I wish oils weren't so ridiculously messy (not to mention expensive! :) I often find myself wanting to use oil paints, then realizing that the time, cost, and mess is just too prohibitive...and without a studio, there is no way I am painting with oils in the winter!

At any rate, it's great to see your progress!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-03-2005, 06:35 PM
You are really great at doing drawings of bones, I am surprised you don't do more drawings of human bones!

Yeah you are right! I should focus on humam anatomy ... I will try to do something with it I promise :)

Ok here is my another drawing ... It was something little more unsual for me. Mainly because its drawn on A3 so its quite large ... almost life size :). Some wise guys said that its good idea to draw big pictures but I'am prety much sure that this isn't that type of drawing they had in mind .... because as I see it drawing big pictures should teach me do do nice long strokes/curves but this is just one of my usual drawings when I very slowly try to copy what I see ... I should draw more loose I really have to train it dammit ... ohh and I think that these never ending shading sessions aren't very good way how to learn human anatomy/drawing either.

Hmmm so here it is ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic011-small.jpg

- Slux

raptor|3D
11-03-2005, 07:41 PM
Not bad rendering at all :thumbsup:. I guess her neck could be shaded better cause I call in question she has so visible sternocleidomastoid and clavicle (clavicle seems to be too sharp to me). I would say these are a little bit exaggerated in your drawing. Anyway great work.

Slux
11-03-2005, 08:11 PM
Hi
Yeah I know there are some problems with neck not that much with clavicle but with another areas ... well the clavicles may be very pronounced it just depends on what you are doing and in what pose you are ... in this pose the head faces forward but the body is turned quite a lot so thats probably the reason why its so pronounced ... well its based on photo of course.

Hmm but anyway I have to stop to do this kind of pictures its too boring and it takes away all my passion to draw ... and also I don't think its very usefull ... well its usefull if you want to have a really polished peice to your portfolio or a picture you could hang on a wall but thats all ....

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-04-2005, 11:40 AM
Slux,

I think you're really hard on yourself ;) ~ this is a really nice piece, and there are many directions you can go from here ~ rendering is not a 'bad' thing at all, it will teach you a lot! :) Your renderings are always impressive, I wouldn't underestimate their value at all.

I agree that the neck needs work, but that's okay ~ it's just a reason to study neck muscles. Learning drawing (a lifelong process, by the way) is a matter of going back and forth between more finished works, such as this, and studies / sketches, which are done for the purpose of improving our more finished pieces. If you find an area in a more finished piece which needs work, just break it down in a simple study / pen sketch ~ don't worry about how 'pretty' the sketch is. If you look at a lot of DaVinci's anatomy studies, not all of them were done with the most beautiful aesthetics in mind...they were just studies, done for the purposes of understanding.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-04-2005, 07:03 PM
Rebecca
Hmmm I think I will try to do more loose/sketchy pieces not that much probably but you know its quite a difference if you spend 1 hour on a drawing or 7 hours or something like that ....

So as I have promised here is some human antomy :) I will try to focus on human anatomy now. As I said earlier I'am trying to draw bigger pictures (this one is lifesize) and more loose pictures ... so thats the reason why I have decided to try compressed charcoal for this one .. and thats why its so messy but it was pretty quick

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic012-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
11-04-2005, 09:26 PM
Ok few more drawings for today ...
Same as the one before :
compressed charcoal
20 minutes each
Size .... about the size of hand :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic013-1-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic013-2-small.jpg

- Slux

Lyneran
11-05-2005, 09:31 PM
hi sLux! it's reaLLy inspiring to see how hard you work, and how much you're improving! i'm compLeteLy sure you'LL be making masterpieces in no time, if you keep your enthusiasm up. i'm just starting out myseLf, so i don't have much crits to offer you, so i'LL just offer some encouragement :)

now this is what i caLL passion, and i reaLLy think that passion is so much more important than "taLent" in any fieLd. i encourage you to keep posting! i'LL be watching your thread and i'LL drop by once in awhiLe :thumbsup:

btw, thanks for the tut on shading, never thought of using a brush to smear! must try that! thanks a bunch!!

Slux
11-06-2005, 09:42 AM
Hi thanks for kind words :) ohh and btw I don't work very hard ... unfortunately but I would like to ... actually thats another thing what I'am trying to learn - to work efficiently ... you know to much distractions, time killers like TV or just doing nothing ... but I work on it ... I can say that I work much more efficiently now than I used to ... but its still far from perfect

And good luck with your drawing ... and don't forget its all just hard work there are no real
shortcuts only more and less efficient ways how to learn. More you will work sooner you will achieve your goals :) and one another thing ... life is about preferences ... its up to you if you decide to watch some stupid tv show or rather practise drawing .... so think about it next time :) life is short ....

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-06-2005, 12:50 PM
Slux,

Sorry I didn't get a chance to reply earlier ~ these are really beautiful works! :thumbsup: I think both sets of drawings are strong, and I like the fact that you did not completely labor over them with a drawing pencil, but used charcoal instead. I think any medium you use, however, will give you good results. ;)

Definitely stick with a combination of Anatomy, and, if possible, Life Studies ~ even if they aren't nude Life Studies ~ you can go to a park and draw people. Since people move fast, you have to draw fast as well! This should help with loosening up, and establishing only the gesture. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

erilaz
11-06-2005, 01:03 PM
Very nice work Slux. Keep that pencil moving! :D

Slux
11-06-2005, 06:24 PM
erilaz: Thanks .. don't worry I will :D

Rebbeca: Thanks .. ohh yeah life studies I should start to draw from life ... hmm dunno we will see .... at least I will try to draw Dave thats for sure :D ehmm I guess my problem is that I don't feel very comfortable to draw folks ... you know I'am afraid it won't look good and so ... I know its stupid :)


Anyway here is my another drawing ... ehmm skull as usual
Charcoal - and btw this one is pretty big - bigger than life size
and I have drawn about 30 fast sketches too (skulls) but thats not very interesting so I won't post it I post only more interesting pieces ... but these fast sketches are very good if you want to memorize something and if you want to get your proportions right.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic014-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-06-2005, 06:32 PM
Nice, Slux! :)

The lower half of the Skull is a bit long ~ the distance between the base of the nasal opening and where the teeth begin is quite far ~ but it's cool that you've done this, particularly as you've done it larger than life size ~ that's great practice!

Did you draw the skull lightly in first with pencil / charcoal, or did you just start rendering? You may want to block in your basic proportions first on your next piece, as then you will have a template to follow before you start to render. Nice job with the shading in the upper half of the Skull in particular! It's also good to see you experimenting with a looser style. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-06-2005, 06:46 PM
Rebbeca
Yeah I know that area below the nose is quite long but I have noticed that too late :)
And no I haven't used pencil at all ... just a very rough sketch with charcoal and than rendering ... hmm charcoal is good for looser style because its quite hard to draw details with it so I don't waste time trying it :scream: but its ok at least I can render it quite fast

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-06-2005, 06:54 PM
Heh, hey, whatever works! :) These pieces are practice pieces ~ you'll notice lots of mistakes now and in the future, but of course it's better than to make them now, vs. in final pieces. :)

And yes, doing tight renderings all the time can make you insane...I try to avoid it ~ I think it's good to do at first for practice, but you will definitely find that you will want to move on to explore other territory, as you are doing now. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
11-06-2005, 06:58 PM
Keep up the good work, Slux. You're turning into an unstopable drawing machine. :bowdown: I'm also impressed that this was in charcoal. I usually just make a mess with charcoal. :D

Slux
11-06-2005, 07:16 PM
Keep up the good work, Slux. You're turning into an unstopable drawing machine. :bowdown: I'm also impressed that this was in charcoal. I usually just make a mess with charcoal. :D

Thanks
Hahaha yeah I know its really messy :arteest:.... but the trick is to draw big and smear it
I usually draw only darkest areas and that I just smear it around with my fingers ... and I use also paper smearing stick for details ... its really good for details because it creates hard edges .. fingers are good if you want soft edges ... :)

well but I have hardly any experience with charcoal so I'am just trying what I can do with it :D

- Slux

CBee
11-06-2005, 08:31 PM
Thanks for the tips. Hmmm... I think it might be time for me to make another mess. :twisted:

Slux
11-11-2005, 08:54 PM
Hi guys
Uff I was little busy (lazy?) lately :) Hmm I'am working on some webdesign now I have to finish it asap but than some interesting things are going to happen ... I have decided that I don't like my work attitude and time management .... and besides that I have read/heard a lot of very interesting things lately that made me thinking and I have decided to change a lot of things in my life ... you know there is a really a lot of things in your life that you can change even if you don't think so (if you want) but the problem is that most people don't want ... well they wish they could but thats where it ends ... you have to do something for it because otherwise your goal is just a daydream ...

Ok so I have drawn yet another skull but don't worry there will be much more of them :scream:
Charcoal on A3 so its pretty big ... bigger than life size :)

Actually I have used three charcoals
- Natural charcoal - its very soft, its difficult to draw dark values with it so I use it only for bright areas, its very easy to erase
- Compressed charcoal - it produces much more darker values than natural charcoal and its more difficult to erase
- Charcoal in wood - it produces very dark values and actually its hard to achieve light values with it ... its also more difficult to erase so I use it only for dark shadows

Ok here it is

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic015-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-11-2005, 09:08 PM
Slux,

Wow, sounds like you've been doing a lot of thinking! :) Well, I don't know that I could call you a 'slacker' :scream: as you seem to think you are, but if you believe that you need to change some things in your life, I wish you the most luck! :)

Very nice skull! The contrast between the soft areas of charcoal / more crisp / dark areas is really quite beautiful. For some reason, you like to draw long mandibles ~ :) but it's something you can easily correct in future works. It's best to just be aware of the tendency ~ we all have our funny drawing tendencies...I've got a whole list of them! :scream:

Looking forward to seeing your future works. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-11-2005, 09:43 PM
Wow, sounds like you've been doing a lot of thinking!

More than you think! :scream: Actually thats what I do very often I always think about what I'am doing and how could I improve it and whats wrong and why and what should I do to change it but recently I have read/heart a lot of interesting things how to motivate yourself and how to improve a lot of things in your life and I have thought about it quite a lot .. and now I'am going to make a big plan .... its not really about force yourself to work harder but rather to change your perspective.

Hmm I will keep my eye on these mandibles :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-11-2005, 10:10 PM
Slux,

Just make sure that you don't work so hard, you keel over! :) You're a hard worker already, but of course you know yourself and your own weaknesses best. :) I think it's great you've got the ability to recognize things in your life which need changing ~ not everyone is capable of this. ;)

Hmm, will the Slux Self~Improvement Method be patented? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-11-2005, 11:51 PM
Hmm, will the Slux Self~Improvement Method be patented?

Hahaha no it won't :scream: ... its free for everyone who want to listen :) as I have said I'am going to do a "research" I have already started with very interesting results I mean there is a lot of things that can be done if you want ... the problem is that it requires a person with right mindset to understand it and to appreciate it ..... ok very simple example

Someone asks you what to do to be great at drawing
Simple answer: "You have to practise it over and over"
Yet most people will still look for something else, for some triks for something what will somehow made them great artists ... and it may take them years and years to realize something so simple as that you have to practise it ..... yeah they will tell you they know that practising is important but subconsciously they won't believe it and they will still search for that magical thing that will somehow made them great ...

First its important to change your mindset ... example
I have to do someting I don't want to do and I have olny a few hours of free time to do it and than I have to do someting else.
My first reaction may be:
"No I don't have enough time I will do it later"
But than I start to think and ask myself:
"Really? You don't have a time? Or you just don't want to do it because you are lazy?"
And often the case is that I try to lie to myself ... and a lot of people are so good at it that they believe it without any doubt .. its not that important to work hard but for a start you should stop to lie to yourself ... you may choose to don't do it anyway but you should know that you have decided so and no that you "didn't have a time" ....

Well I have said that because if you have some great ways how to motivate yourself and how to improve a lot of things in your life it still may be useless for a lot of people because they are not ready for it ... if you know what I mean ... this all isn't about work harder but to understand what you do and why .... and it really helps me to work more efficiently because I still look for ways how to improve my work/skills whatever ... so some people may work very hard but very inefficientlly and may done less work than you even if you spent on it less time.

Ok just some thoughts :) ... I will probably have more to say about it when I will be finished with my little research ... hmm and it may take a while ... I'am quite interested in things like psychology and so .... dunno if its interesting or usefull to anyone

- Slux

CBee
11-12-2005, 12:09 AM
Looking good. I can see improvements already. But definitely watch the proportions. That's the same problem I'm having. I think it's caused by my eagerness to start shading. Oh, and the fact that I'm a noob. :scream: Simple line art for me is a little boring, which is why I've gone on a temporary shading diet. :D I'm producing lots and lots of crappy line art right now. :scream:

And don't call yourself lazy. If you are lazy then that would make most of the people around here more than lazy. And I don't think they will appreciate that. :D

Slux
11-12-2005, 12:32 AM
Looking good. I can see improvements already. But definitely watch the proportions. That's the same problem I'm having. I think it's caused by my eagerness to start shading. Oh, and the fact that I'm a noob. :scream: Simple line art for me is a little boring, which is why I've gone on a temporary shading diet. :D I'm producing lots and lots of crappy line art right now.

Hi yeah proportions ... hmmm you are right I'am planing to focus on lineart and reduce these very time consuming shadings ... as I have said earlier ... its just thats the way I'am used to work haha so I always end up doing it :D but I'am working on it ...

And don't call yourself lazy. If you are lazy then that would make most of the people around here more than lazy. And I don't think they will appreciate that. :D

Well it depends ... they may not have that much of free time I have. :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-12-2005, 12:44 AM
Slux,

I know how hard it can be to organize / structure your life when you have too much free time on your hands ~ it's why I don't freelance. If left to my own devices, I will sleep 20 out of 24 hours a day ~ you think I'm kidding! :scream: So I know myself well enough to know that I would not do well in an unstructured environment. ;)

However, there are of course people who are far better at time management than am I. :) I think it's really admirable that you choose to spend your free time working hard to improve your art. :) Whether you think you are or not, you're a good example for others. :)

Well, let's see what comes out of this regimented Slux regime! :thumbsup: I highly anticipate seeing what your work will look like when you are "working hard". :scream: :eek: :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
11-12-2005, 01:10 AM
Someone asks you what to do to be great at drawing
Simple answer: "You have to practise it over and over"

That's true. But there is also such a thing as practicing smart. It cuts the effort involved. Practicing smart usually involves focusing on fundamentals as opposed to more glamorous or fun things that might really only be superficial details. Getting the proportions right is one of those fundamentals.

Slux
11-13-2005, 05:46 PM
That's true. But there is also such a thing as practicing smart. It cuts the effort involved. Practicing smart usually involves focusing on fundamentals as opposed to more glamorous or fun things that might really only be superficial details. Getting the proportions right is one of those fundamentals.

Yes thats right :) ... and thats what I try to do now ... to find more effective ways how to learn .... well and since we speak about practising .... I don't remember I would have seen any of your pictures hmmm? :scream: practise practise practise haha :) ok now I have to repeat it to myself few times ....

Ok another pic from me .... yeah I know I have said I will try to do something more loose and actually this was supposed to be just a loose rendering but somehow it turned this way :) because in last minut I have decided to use pencil and it always look like this whan I use pencil ... never mind I will work on that :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic016-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-13-2005, 06:07 PM
Slux,

Once more, you have produced some beautiful drawings. I think, however, there are some perspective problems on the angles of the jaw ~ I recommend doing a really simplified sketch before going for a full render. Try to establish the simple lines of perspective first, then go in and add detail. But, as usual, beautiful work. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Slux/Slux-jaw-rev.gif

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-13-2005, 06:23 PM
Once more, you have produced some beautiful drawings. I think, however, there are some perspective problems on the angles of the jaw ~ I recommend doing a really simplified sketch before going for a full render. Try to establish the simple lines of perspective first, then go in and add detail.

Hi ... hmmmmmmmmm I see I guess my problem is that I don't think much about these things when I just copy something ... I guess I should ... Drawing from life but probably help me much more because I would be forced to think about it. :)

Well right now I practice from one anatomy book .. rather very basic stuff I must say but its ok now ... l have some advanced material here but first things first. :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-13-2005, 06:27 PM
Slux,

It may seem like a stupid exercise, but one exercise that is actually really useful for studying perspective is to just take a bunch of boxes (cardboard boxes, shoeboxes, whatever) :) and stack them one on top of another in a big haphazard jumble, and then just draw them. In this type of exercise, you don't need to worry too much about shading ~ you can just focus on the linework. I've done a bunch of these exercises in school, and they do help. Just a suggestion for when you take a break from your good anatomy regime. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-13-2005, 06:37 PM
Actually thats not bad idea ... and I was thinking about it lately too ... so I guess I will give it a try .... but I know that perspective isn't my strong skill ... and I will focus on it later ... right now I try to focus on anatomy but I will try these geometric objects anyway ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-13-2005, 06:40 PM
Slux,

There *may* be a perspective Workshop coming down the pike, so look for that in a month or two as well. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
11-13-2005, 07:57 PM
well and since we speak about practising .... I don't remember I would have seen any of your pictures hmmm? :scream: practise practise practise haha

:D Sure you did. ...a couple months ago. :scream:

Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not happening. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)


right now I try to focus on anatomy but I will try these geometric objects anyway

You might want to check out Loomis' book Drawing Heads and Hands. He combines the geometric object stuff with the anatomy stuff. There is even a skull. :) Fun with a Pencil is pretty good, too.

Rebeccak
11-13-2005, 08:02 PM
Personally, I am advocating for an "Anatomy Thread of CBee". :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
11-13-2005, 08:11 PM
Personally, I am advocating for an "Anatomy Thread of CBee". :)


Arrghhh! Peer pressure! Nooooo! :D

Slux
11-13-2005, 08:12 PM
Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not happening. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Ok :thumbsup:

You might want to check out Loomis' book Drawing Heads and Hands. He combines the geometric object stuff with the anatomy stuff. There is even a skull. :)

Yup I have all Loomis books ... great meterial :) right now I read Figure drawing but I will read them all later .... it just takes too much time because I practise everything whats there ... I draw everything many many times until I'am sure I can get it right :)

- Slux

CBee
11-13-2005, 08:21 PM
I do the opposite. I skim through a book to get an overview and then I go back over the important stuff and repeat those things.

Slux
11-19-2005, 12:24 AM
Hi
Uff I was away for a few days but that doesn't mean I haven't been practising :). Actually I have been practising lately more than anytime before. But unfortunately I have to do other things as well but soon I will have much more free time.
Right now I draw or read a book about Leonardo :)

Ok and here are my scribbles - as I said before I follow one Anatomy book (just a basic stuff) so right now topic was facial muscles. I have tried new tool - ballpoint pen (that one with fluid ink - realy great one) its quite nice for these anatomy studies. I try to focus on anatomy and not much on shading so these scribbles down there are these what I use for my study .. first 5 drawings are more refined these were done after my study just for recapitulation :).
hmm I will study these things more deep later.
Ok so here it is

edited : btw these are not all that I have done just some better examples :)
and no pencil involved - it was drawn directly with pen so there was no place for errors

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic017-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-19-2005, 12:30 AM
Slux,

I love ballpoint studies! It's my favorite medium for Anatomy Studies such as these. :) You can really get a lot of subtle detail, I think ballpoint pen is just great. Particularly on decent sketchpaper. :)

Good to see these! Not much time to post atm, but will get back to you later...glad to see more work! Very inspiring. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lyneran
11-20-2005, 12:27 PM
heya sLux! :wavey: wow you're doing reaLLy great! i Love your baLLpoint pen studies keep em coming! :D

CBee
11-20-2005, 03:06 PM
...and no pencil involved - it was drawn directly with pen so there was no place for errors

Wow! Nice Work. Ballpoint pens scare me. :eek: I think I'm a little too dependant on my erasers at the moment. Good stuff. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Slux
11-22-2005, 07:10 PM
to Lyneran: Thanks ;)

to CBee: yeah its little more difficult without eraser but at least it will teach you how to draw without it :D and its also nice if you want to practise drawing nice and clean lines/curves.

Here is one quick study I did lately

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic018-2-small.jpg

Right now I try to focus on anatomy but I have also sort of "back to basics" going on because I have found that I don't know basics very well :sad: ....

Soooooo I have started to practise gesture drawing ... hmm its quite difficult I can't get it right so I guess I have to work on it ...
Here are some examples of my crappy gesture drawings ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic018-1-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
11-22-2005, 11:44 PM
More gesture drawings ... I think I'am getting sligthly better. Drawings in first picture were drawn this afternoon and drawings in second picture were drawn at evening.
Ohh and all these are straight from my imagination (drawings in previous post were from references) ... hmmm dunno what do you think? I'am still trying to figure out how to draw it.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic018-3-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic018-4-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 12:05 AM
Nnnnnnnnnnnnicce Slux!! :) This is the first real example I've seen of you 'loosening up', and it's a great direction to go in! :thumbsup:

Really start getting in there to exxaggerate opposing curves as well ~ also, I would encourage you to try the 15 Minute Sketchathon, as it's a great way to REALLY loosen up as well! :thumbsup: I think if you approach the thread in a focused way, or just time yourself on your own reference images, say at 5, 10, or 15 minute intervals, you will really start to notice a difference in how you draw / and see.

Quite a nice DaVinci copy as well! I really like the emotion in the lines ~ very painterly in the approach, great!

Great stuff!! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-23-2005, 11:10 PM
Hi
Thanks for kind words :)
Yeah I have noticed this Sketchathon thread but I didn't have time to check it out yet ... but I least for start I have tried to draw a 15 (14 actually :scream:) minute "sketch" ...
And you are right I really start to change my whole view about drawing ... and its great I think I'am getting on the right track :wise: ....

Ok here is my 14 minute sketch

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic019-2-small.jpg

And more gesture doodles :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic019-1-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 11:15 PM
Woo, nice! More great studies! Are you using ballpoint pen? I think that is a great medium. :)

At some point, you might want to try larger gesture drawings on newsprint or large sketchpaper with conte or charcoal ~ don't even try to get any details, just capture the movement of various poses, and limit yourself to 2 and 5 minutes each. This is a GREAT way to REALLY loosen up, and just capture the essence of a pose. You are definitely on the right track here though, Slux, keep it up!!! :thumbsup:

Definitely check out the Sketchathon thread, some good stuff going on there! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-23-2005, 11:23 PM
Are you using ballpoint pen?

Yup exactly :)

At some point, you might want to try larger gesture drawings on newsprint or large sketchpaper with conte or charcoal

I know :) I have just got some big papers and I use conte/charchoal pencils already they are great, actually I don't use pencil much lately ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 11:32 PM
I know I have just got some big papers and I use conte/charchoal pencils already they are great, actually I don't use pencil much lately ...
WooHoo! :thumbsup: Can't wait to see those studies! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-24-2005, 02:02 PM
Hi
Here are some 15 minute drawings what I have done this morning. Hmmm its nice practise but dunno I don't like these much ... I think they look rather flat :sad: ...

Ok here it is ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic020-1-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-24-2005, 03:28 PM
Slux,

Good to see these! :) I think what is flattening these out is that the curves on opposite sides of the figure don't bear much relationship to one another.

I know you've probably seen this before, but I think it's one of the most useful concepts to demonstrate how to achieve form thru the simple use of opposing curves:


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/torso_demo_300dpi_small_FUL.jpg

Notice how every curve on one side of the body relates to a curve on the opposite side ~ setting up a rhythm / and movement in the figure that keeps the eye moving, and creates a sense of form. When curves are not in relation to one another, the form they wind up describing tends to be flat.

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-25-2005, 11:52 PM
Hi
Thanks for reply ... yeah you are probably right I will look on these opposite curves (thats what I have been planing anyway - its part of my "back to basics" :) plan).

Ok and one surprise for today ... first life drawing in this thread! :D ... hmm nothing special actually but anyway ... I don't have much practise from drawing from life so its little more difficult for me but I will work on it ...
Hhmm and btw I still work work on my plan and that is Anatomy + "back to basics" :)

Ok so here it is

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic021-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-25-2005, 11:59 PM
Love it. Better sense of movement, and a nice sense of delicacy around the thinner edges of the bones. I like that you didn't push this too far / over the top, but let it breathe a little. Nice balance! :wip:

Keep rockin'! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-26-2005, 06:09 PM
Hi
This is what I have been doing today ... 100 little warriors (exactly) ! :twisted: All done from imagination .... hmm but these scans doesn't look very good .. hmm never mind

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic022-1-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic022-2-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic022-3-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic022-4-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-26-2005, 06:14 PM
WOW. You rock, Slux! This is just great practice! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
11-27-2005, 06:36 PM
Hi
Today I have been thinking about my practise and what other guys said and I have come to the conclusion that if I want to progress quickly I need to draw from imagination much more .... hmmm when I think about it I wonder that I didn't think of it sooner ... its much more fun than to draw from references anyway ... I'am not saying that I won't draw from references/life/masters because its very important too ... what I'am saying is that you can expect to see much more pieces from my imagination :D .... thats it.

Ok and here is first one. It took me someting over 1 hour ... and as I said its from my imagination. :) (yeah I know I need more practise)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic023-1-small.jpg

And here are another little scribbles :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic023-2-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 06:45 PM
Slux,

Whatever works for you is fine with me ;) ~ I think it's great to see you consistently practicing, period! :) Looking forward to your imaginative drawings ~ I prolly need to do more of those myself. :D

EDIT: Forgot to mention :) ~ I actually do see some nice qualities emerging from the sketch / portrait from imagination. I think your friends are right in that drawing from your imag. tests what you know, and tells you what you need to work on. It can be a great system of checks and balances to go back and forth between what you can do from your mind, and what you can do from reference. So they're definitely right in that respect. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rk

jinnseng
11-27-2005, 07:24 PM
Hi Slux

Those gestures are nice from imagination. That's pretty impressive. I have a hard time getting them right from life! You've really improved as I've looked through the thread. Keep working at it, you're getting better.

Slux
11-27-2005, 07:33 PM
I think your friends are right

Hehe well the main guy that made me think about it was mr. Mentler :) ...


I think your friends are right in that drawing from your imag. tests what you know, and tells you what you need to work on. It can be a great system of checks and balances to go back and forth between what you can do from your mind, and what you can do from reference. So they're definitely right in that respect

Yes exactly! Thats what I have been thinking :) ...

Hi Slux

Those gestures are nice from imagination. That's pretty impressive. I have a hard time getting them right from life! You've really improved as I've looked through the thread. Keep working at it, you're getting better.

Thanks I'am glad you like them :) and yeah I really hope that I'am getting better :D sometims its hard to see but I just keep going ...

- Slux

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 07:50 PM
Slux,

Hehe, well Mr. Mentler is someone who would know :D ~ he hasn't been around in a bit, we may have to call him back. I was hoping he'd hop onto the 15 Min. Sketchathon, but I think he mods 2 forums already ~ but we'll see. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rk

pushav
11-27-2005, 11:59 PM
I like your studies with the people interacting with each other.
Good work.

Slux
11-28-2005, 10:57 PM
I like your studies with the people interacting with each other.
Good work.

Thanks I'am glad you like them :)

Uffff ok I have finished my daily plan successfully .. I have decided that I will break my old record (100 little warriors) and I have done 200 little warriors (exactly) !! Today with short sword well but that doesn't really matter. Oh and btw they are all from my imagination ...

Here it is

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic024-1-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic024-2-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic024-3-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic024-4-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic024-5-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic024-6-small.jpg

Ok thats it
Slux

audit
11-29-2005, 12:22 AM
My god.

That's a lot of tiny people, is this all at one sitting? great poses, and amazing dedication :beer: i suppose there's nothing to say except keep pushing yourself and keep going!

Rebeccak
11-29-2005, 01:27 AM
Slux,

LOL, if I scroll down the page quickly, the little guys become animated! :scream: GREAT stuff, you are really an inspiration around here! Keep kicking bootay! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rk

Slux
11-29-2005, 10:44 PM
My god.

That's a lot of tiny people, is this all at one sitting? great poses, and amazing dedication :beer: i suppose there's nothing to say except keep pushing yourself and keep going!

Thanks for kind words ... and no it wasn't done in one sitting I would gone mad lol ... thats for sure :D

Today I was too busy reading some articles about health and RSI because I have some problems with it and I'am also trying to put together some excersise routine - thats quite important because after few years you may find out that you can't work because of pain/various health problems or because you are dead ... well and you know after that your drawing skills may be quite useless :D ..... so I try to keep myself fit .. ehmm sort of.

But anyway at least quick doodle for today I call it "Serious student of anatomy alias grave digger" :D Pen&Paper - no reference

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic025-small.jpg

- Slux

Thomasphoenix
12-04-2005, 07:19 AM
Slux M8 a career in Animation beckons:thumbsup:

Slux
12-06-2005, 09:04 PM
Slux M8 a career in Animation beckons
Thanks :) hehe we will see ... actually I'am quite interested in 3D animation

Uff I was away for a while .. too busy with something else and I also work on some time consuming piece (for a friend)

BUT today Tablet fairy paid me a visit and brought me a BRAND NEW WACOM INTUOS 3 A4 TABLET .....
OOOOHHH YEAHHHH BABY :D:D:D:D:D
Until today I have had cheapest wacom tablet Volito and NOW I HAVE INTUOS 3 .. thats a HUGE difference and I'am happy :)

Here is little picture of me ohh and btw its without reference! :D

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic025-wacom.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-06-2005, 09:24 PM
ROFLMAOITS!!! :scream:

Congratulations, Slux!!! You totally deserve it!! :thumbsup:

Slux
12-09-2005, 01:57 PM
Hi

Today one quick scribble .. well it isn't anatomy but I hope its ok .. hey there are some people too! :scream: and if it isn't enough than I guess that I will have to use Pushavs trick and call it anatomy of landscape ( hope he didn't patent it :D ).

Its just speed painting inspired by book Darkover by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Thats what I read now .. its really great I think you will see more pictures inspired by this book .. its quite long story and I try to keep my new tablet busy :)

Book One - beginning - ship crushed on unknown planet

http://draw.sluxweb.net/books/darkover-crash.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-09-2005, 05:46 PM
Slux,

No worries! :scream: I won't report you, your landscape posting secret is safe with me! ;)

Welcome to the world of digital painting! :) I would recommend trying to shade this ~ it would be great practice with your Wacome, I should think. :) Also, now perhaps you will participate more in the OFDWs, which I think would be great! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

CBee
12-09-2005, 11:35 PM
Lookin good so far, Slux. :thumbsup: And I agree with you. Who is to say that ant-size people don't belong on an anatomy forum? Probably better to call this one a study in miniscule anatomy, though. :D

Slux
12-11-2005, 09:56 PM
to CBee: yeah right :) and here is another version .. this time I have paid a lot of attention to anatomy :D

http://draw.sluxweb.net/books/darkover-crash2.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-11-2005, 10:03 PM
I can see the ribs from here...! :scream: :D

Nice atmosphere! :thumbsup: And Anatomy ! :D

Slux
12-13-2005, 04:12 PM
Another anatomy study ... this time cleverly masked behind heavy armor :D ... well but proportional errors would be still visible ... so after all its not that clever as I thought ... I will have too come up with someting better :D

Ok but now seriously ... its just another doodle in PS .. from my imagination, no references used and it shows ... actually at the beginning I kind of like it but than it turned this way ... as you can see my skills has some serious flaws .... hmm I need more practise

http://draw.sluxweb.net/concepts/BadAssWarrior.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-13-2005, 05:12 PM
Slux,

Nice start! :)

I think one of the best ways to practice digital painting skills here on the forum is in the OFDWs. :) I think you might improve a lot over the course of even just one or two of these. What do you say? OFDW 009 just opened. ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
12-15-2005, 12:49 AM
Hi
Yeah I may try it later but I don't think that one or two images could save my soul :D hmmm but may be few hundresd or thousands could ... who knows ....

Anyway after last ehmm not very successufl image I have decided to go back to basics ... to my anatomy exactly ... hmmm I think that this approach is not bad at all .. I mean try to draw sometimg from memory and than you can see what you need to work on and it also reminds you that here is a lot of stuff to be learned .... because I believe that if you just copy images all the time you can quite easily fool yourself that you can draw very well ... its much easier if you have a photo reference whit all answers .. perspective, proportions, anatomy ... everything already solved for you and you just have to copy it ... of course its part of study process but the point is that you should test yourself regulary if you really know it or not ... because if you can't draw it from memory well than you don't ....

Now that leads me to interesting conclusion that I have realized recently ... if you just study than it doesn't really matter whats on your paper what counts is what is in you head ... I think that too many students (and I'am guilty of that too) are too much concerned whats on paper and don't care at all whats in their heads ... the point is that a lot of people just copy something from reference (be it a photo reference or live model) and thats it ... they don't think much about what they are doing .. they just concentrate on copying it ... they want it to look good ... thats all. But I think that for a student is important if they learned someting not if they finished a nice picture ...
I think that a lot of people here are trying to learn anatomy just by copying pictures ...
you may think about it this way ..... You will remember your boss phone number after you have called him 100 times .... vs Your friend tell you his/her number in hurry and you remember it immediately.
In one case you have learner the number just by calling it many times and in second case you have concentrated on learning it ... second method is of course much better ... its easier and more faster ...

The point is that when you are copying something ... the finial picture doesn't matter .. what matter is what stays in you head ... you have to really concentrate on analysing a picture not a copying it .... thats quite useless ... yeah you may learned that way too if you want but it takes much much longer ...

So Today I have decided to go back to my anatomy and take it seriously now ... I have started with skeleton - with skull to be exact ... I think thats good place where to start anatomy study ... these pictures I have done today may look like my previous pictures BUT there is a huge difference ... because my previous pictures were just copies of references .. but this is a analyse not a copy ... yeah I know it looks same at paper .. but its not same in my head ... I feel that I have learned a lot today ... and thats great it always motivates me to keep going and to do more ... in contrast to lets say 7 hours rendering of portraite what is very boring and when I'am finished with it I have a nice picture but thats all .. I hardly feel that I have learned anything and that depress me ...

Ok I think I talk too much ... here are pictures ... and btw these were done in quite a loose way even if that may not look that I wasn't concerned whats on my paper .. these are just visual notes of my analys ... and it may look that I have spent a lot of time on rendering it but I didn't .. I have used large graphite pencil called PROGESSO .. its good for rendering large areas ... and only reason why I shaded is that it helped me to understand it better because I was really thinking about light and where it comes from and why are shadows where they are .... you would be amazed what you can learn from just one picture if you really think about it hard enough ...
But I'am not finished with skulls of course ... there is much more here I need to learn ... when I will be finished with it I should be able to draw skulls like below out of my imagination ... oh we will see later
Some of you may noticed that I change my study methods quite often but thats because I always looks for a new ways how to learn more effectively when I can really feel that I have learned something ... and right now this anatomy study works really great for me :D
Uff way to much talking here are the pictures

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic026-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-15-2005, 01:13 AM
Slux,

These are very intelligent and thoughtful comments, and I can fully appreciate your approach. Will definitely take more time to post a reply when I get home, as I think you raise an important point about methodologies of learning.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
12-15-2005, 08:59 PM
Another skulls ....
today I have drawn few more skulls ... same approach as yesterday, these are not just copies but rather visual notes of my analyse ... its important to draw what you are trying to learn ... because if you don't you can very easily fool yourself that you really understand it and that you know all shapes, proportions etc .... but of course as soon as you try draw it from memory you realize you hardly remember it ... heh usually when I try to learn some more complex shapes just by looking at it and than try to draw it from memory its like ... "ok I understand it now" ... I take pencil put reference away and BANG ... I stare at paper and don't know where to even start ... I think that a lot of people even "don't waste their time" to try to draw it from imagination ... they are just happy with that "ok I understand it now" part ....


These pictures are shaded because it helps me to understand shape and surface better .. but its quite loose ... it doesn't look that way but thats probably because I draw quite large and these pictures are sized down but you can still see a lot of individual strokes ...
I find very usefull to think about light and shadows ... and think about individual parts of skull as geometric objects, balls, cubes, cones etc. it really helps to understand it better.

I'am going to do more of these shaded drawings ... as part of my deep study but than when I will feel that I know whole object quite well I want to concentrate only on line drawings ... I find it very usefull when you - in point when you are finished with your main study and when you think you sort of know it - just concentrate on line drawings and draw it again and again from different angles ...

Its like with that phone numbers what I have been talking before ... at first you really concentrate on lerning it .. and than you really stick it in you head by repeating it many times .... and line drawings are very good for that ... because you can draw it many times very quickly so when I want to really learn it I may draw it 100 times or even more ... and you may be surprised sometimes it takes less time than some of my longer renderings ... when I'am finished with few of these line drawings (from memory of course) than I take reference and check if everything is fine there ... usually there are some details that need more attention so I concentrate on them .. and I check it again and draw more and check it again and so on ...
I think that a lot of people underestimate line drawings because you know thats usually not kind of stuff that would impress your friends and thats why it doesn't have much value for a lot of students ... heh thats quite strange when you think about it .. I think people should decide if they want to learn something or impress somebody ... and I feel that you have to concentrate at first at learning something because without it its really difficult to impress somebody ..

Ok ... but that study method I have described above works quite well for me and I think I will continue with it (of course thats not only method I use ... I try to experiment quite a lot) ... but I don't think I will post there my line drawings ... I usually have them quite a lot and its not that much interesting ... but its very usefull!

Ok that was a little trip to my head and here are pictures

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic027-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-16-2005, 12:15 AM
Slux, :)

You are killing me with your posts! :scream: In a totally good way. :) I think it's awesome that you are treating your thread as sort of a drawing diary ~ recording your observations of what you are thinking about as you are learning / and really analyzing what you are learning and how you are learning it. That's something really special. :)

I have a lot of old school notebooks which someday I should scan and post here on the forum. I think it's a cool idea to make a lot of notes on your drawings to sort of denote your thoughts at the moment, whatever they are ~ because you can keep track of the fleeting, but ultimately important thoughts which you have as you draw about your learning process etc. :) You're doing a great job at that. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-16-2005, 01:32 AM
Slux,

I've attempted a paintover of your earlier warrior concept sketch, which I think shows promise, but which could be improved. :) Here t'is:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Slux/char_rev_small_giffer.gif

Basically, the steps I took were:

1. Original image in PS.
2. Desaturate original image (Ctrl + Shift + U).
3. Adjust Levels of Image (Ctrl + L > Auto).
4. Enlarge the helmet / head.
5. Enlarge the canvas size, lengthen legs.
6. Overpaint using just 3 swatches: White, Gray, Black + Airbrush with about 65%. hardness, 75% opacity and 50% flow.
7. Continue to overpaint using an Airbrush with about 80% hardness.

I know that you think that the OFDWs and perhaps even the 15 MS Threads are only about copying images, but I very much stand by them as great ways to learn how to draw and paint digitally. You need not approach these threads in a way similar to the way in which anyone else does ~ for example, if you just wanted to take the model, and ANALYZE it in a drawing vs. copy it exactly, that is perfectly fine (and even encouraged) by me. :)

I think the 15 MS will be particularly useful to you in terms of really learning how to capture / refine Gesture. But, certainly I am not pressuring you to take part in these threads ~ I am only offering them as suggestions for ways in which to practice traditional and digital drawing techniques. :)

What I would encourage you to do with respect to your digital figurative work is to try to see the BIG SHAPES first ~ not the details on the armour, etc. Details are ALWAYS SECONDARY TO THE WHOLE. I cannot emphasize the importance of capturing the overall Gesture of a piece prior to rendering the smallest of details. WORK FROM THE GENERAL TO THE SPECIFIC. This is a great rule to follow with respect to figurative work, and representational artwork in general. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
12-16-2005, 09:19 AM
You are killing me with your posts! In a totally good way. I think it's awesome that you are treating your thread as sort of a drawing diary ~ recording your observations of what you are thinking about as you are learning / and really analyzing what you are learning and how you are learning it. That's something really special.


Hehe actually I have made quite a few notes as result of my analys ... everytime when I find something whats usefull to write down I take paper what I have just for these notes and I write it down with small pictures that shows me what I mean ... it helps to make it more clear for me ... and its also very nice if you want to recapitulate it for yourself :)

Thanks for paintover ... it looks much better now ... When I think abou it now - original pic is quite terrible :scream: hmm but thats ok I try to not to think about it this way I mean I know that I'am beginner and that I will do many mistakes and horrible pictures ...

as Nicolaides said:
"Unfortunately most students, wether throught their own fault or the fault of their instructors, seem to be dreadfully afraid of making technical mistakes. You should understand that these mistakes are unavoidable. THE SOONER YOU MAKE YOUR FIRST FIVE THOUSAND MISTAKES, THE SOONER YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CORRECT THEM"

And Yeah I totally agree ... Its necessary to see big shapes first ... thats actually the reason why I like gesture drawings ... the problem is that I'am not used to work that way yet and I "like" to forget that but I work on it ... I can definitely see why its so important because without it you produce pictures like above :) I think that if you focus to much on individual parts and not on big picture than it quite often looks like Frankestein ... monster what clearly isn't put together with parts that fits very well :D Ok I will have to try to be aware of that more ... problem is that I know quite a lot of theory but when It comes to practise I like to forget it and just work my old way ...

In regards to OFDWs no I don't think its about copying ... I think its up to you if you just copy it without much thinking or if you decide to analyse it .... I have read some of Vilppus articles and as he says "We don't copy model we analyse it" :)

- Slux

Slux
12-19-2005, 06:39 PM
Hi
Here is a picture that I have done for a friend (he is that guy on the picture and that girl is his girlfriend). I have used photograph as reference.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic028-small.jpg

-Slux

Slux
12-19-2005, 10:19 PM
Here is final version ... little bit more smooth ... thats how he wanted it and that how it is
Ehhh men I really have to stop doing these crazy renderings ... its always same - it takes a lot of time its pretty boring and when I'am finished with it I'am quite depressed with results

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic028-1-small.jpg

-Slux

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 04:36 AM
Slux,

This is a really nice drawing, you shouldn't be too hard on yourself! :) You obviously have a lot of skill ~ you know, I don't know that I've ever known the artists that you most admire / wish to emulate. I would imagine that you would favor realistic works, but do you have favorite painters / draughtsmen whose work you most love? I think it would be interesting to know who they are. Maybe copying the works of some favorite artists whose work is highly expressive can help you to break out of a tightly rendered mode. What do you think?

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
12-21-2005, 10:31 AM
This is a really nice drawing, you shouldn't be too hard on yourself!

Heh I have to ... :D thats main thing that helps me to progress faster ... I think that self-critisim is essential if you want to progress quickly ... but you know there are certain boundaries when its too much and when you start to loose faith in your skills .. thats not good but thats not my case ...
I find quite usefull when you can step away from your pictures and criticise it as if it would be pictures of someone else - I don't know I don't have any problems with it I can see my my mistakes quite easily ... but I have noticed that some people can't - not even very obvious mistakes/flaws whatever ... and I believe thats also one of main reasons why many people progress so slowly and because of that they are very frustrated and eventually give up.
When I mess up something I try to think why it happened .. whats wrong - that helps me to progress quickly I try to learn from my mistakes. Some people do same mistakes over and over and even don't realize it so next time when you mess up something try to see it as opportunity to learn someting new, to get better not as something negative.
I know sometimes I may sound quite depressed but its not as bad as it looks.
Seeing your mistakes easily may be quite depressing sometimes but not seeing them is even worse ...

- Slux

- Slux

Slux
12-21-2005, 10:48 AM
I don't know that I've ever known the artists that you most admire / wish to emulate. I would imagine that you would favor realistic works, but do you have favorite painters / draughtsmen whose work you most love? I think it would be interesting to know who they are. Maybe copying the works of some favorite artists whose work is highly expressive can help you to break out of a tightly rendered mode. What do you think?

Hmm interesting question if you talk about old masters than I'am afraid that I'am not so sure about that yet ... as I have said before I don't have any formal training a I have started seriously with drawing quite recently - but don't worry I'am not that big ignorant :scream: I work on that - I try to read some some books and so ... actually I think ti helps me too - lot of interesting things to think about :)

But so far my favourite old master is probably Leonardo da Vinci, I have read quite a lot about him and I have seen some documentaries as well. He is quite interesting character and I think that we have some things in common (btw no I'am not trying to say that I'am genius or anything like that :D )

Most of my favourite artists are those that still work in this industry:
Craig Mullins
Frank Frazeta
Linda Bergkvist
Feng Zhu
Neville Page and others :)

- Slux

Slux
12-21-2005, 10:57 PM
Hi
huh more skulls to my collection :D
Hmmm I like to draw these fast and loose (sort of) drawings ... its quite relaxing and it doesn't take that long (15-30 minutes each) and it isn't so boring as those crazy renderings ... I think that its much better especially for practise purposes because it keeps your mind sharp.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic029-small.jpg

- Slux

Lyneran
12-22-2005, 12:19 AM
Seeing your mistakes easily may be quite depressing sometimes but not seeing them is even worse ...

agreed. :thumbsup: i picked up another gold nugget from your thread slux! :)

and those 15-30 min skulls look great! did you use reference for those? seems to me like you know the skull inside out over and under now :) great to see those.. you're getting better and better imho keep it up!

-Lye-

CBee
12-22-2005, 04:37 AM
You're right, Slux, self-criticism is a tricky thing. If you don't do any of it you'll be happy but never advance. Do it too much and you'll drive yourself nuts and give up. This is why most people avoid what you are doing. It's not pleasant. I think you have the right attitude. Just remember to focus on what you're doing right if you start feeling bummed out. It's easy to do. Just pull out something you drew 6 months ago and compare it to something recent and have a good laugh. :D

But so far my favourite old master is probably Leonardo da Vinci... He is quite interesting character and I think that we have some things in common (btw no I'am not trying to say that I'am genius or anything like that :D )

That's funny. I feel the same way. In fact that's why my avatar looks the way it does. Well, except for that last part. I am a genius. :twisted::D:buttrock:

Must...remove...avatar...before...head...explodes :scream:


Most of my favourite artists are those that still work in this industry:
Craig Mullins
Frank Frazeta
Linda Bergkvist
Feng Zhu
Neville Page and others

Hmm...we seem to have identical taste. Frazeta is my favorite. :)

Slux
12-22-2005, 05:18 PM
those 15-30 min skulls look great! did you use reference for those? seems to me like you know the skull inside out over and under now great to see those.. you're getting better and better imho keep it up!

Hi
I'am glad you like them :) and yeah I have used references for those, its still part of my study where I really try to understand the shape - how it looks from all angles. I think that a lot of people don't take their time to really understand the shape and just suppose they know it ... you know something like check out front and side plates in anatomy book and than "Yeah I know it" .... yeah sure and than give them clay or 3D program and tell them to make a detail 3D model and they are lost ... they will probably discover that what they may know is front and side 2D representations of skull but not an actual 3D shape itself. Its quite a different story.

Hmmm when I think about it I guess a lot of people who work in 2D also think in 2D .. but even if you work in 2D you have to think in 3D ... its very important to think about objects you draw as 3D objects .... thats probably also one of the reasons why so many people recommend drawing from life because it forces you to think in 3D and also because of the same reasons so many people don't recommend practising from photographs probably because that may support 2D thinking which is pretty limited because if you would want to be successful in 2D thinking you would have to know all 2D representations of all angles of that particular object .... I think its much easier just know 3D object and than just figure out in your head how it would look from angle you want to draw it.

Btw if you would like to know more about ehmm "3D drawing" than as far as I know Vilppus approach would be quite good ... I think that his approach is very 3D ...

Also I quess that sculpting from clay or modelling in 3D would be a good practise because that would force you to be more aware of third dimension.

Unfortunately I don't have any real skull - that would make my job much easier but right now I have to figure it out from photographs and diagrams which I think is quite nice practise because it really forces you to think about these 2D representations as 3D objects and that may be something that quite a few people may not be used to do ... I was thinking that I would get that plastic skull ... hmm may be later ..... actually not may be thats sure thing, many successful artists recommended it (for example Mentler). Skull is base of a face and thats very important element in drawings ... and just as you wouldn't try to build a house without a strong base its probably not a good idea to try to draw a face without good understanding of its base ... sure you may try it but don't be surprised if it won't work.

Thats the reason why I try to spent quite a lot of time studying a skull because I think its important element.
But don't worry I will post some drawings from imagination later ... because after all thats the reason why I do it ... not because I would like to have a bunch of drawings of skulls but because I want to be able to draw it from my imagination. :)

- Slux

Slux
12-22-2005, 05:31 PM
Just pull out something you drew 6 months ago and compare it to something recent and have a good laugh. :D

Yup :) that the reason why I try to date all my drawings - its very usefull because than you know exactly how old it is and you may easily compare it with drawings you have finished recently

I am a genius.

Hehe :) I have read some interesting articles about brain/motivation and stuff like that and as they say all people have a potentional to become a genius in one way or another its just up to as if we decide to unlock it or not ... Also latest brain research supports that theory because they say that we use like 2-5% (or someting like that I don't know exactly) of our brain capacity and its not that we couldn't use more ... but rather that we are not used to :D

- Slux

Lyneran
12-22-2005, 11:04 PM
hi again slux, thanks for that info, i really appreciate you sharing the helpful things you learn along the way. i'm going to check out vilppus right after this post. you're right about using refs and getting to know whatever you're studying all around. like loomis said, you need to understand the whole form so you can think all around the form. i've started working on the skull as well and i'll do my best to keep all your tips in mind. thanks a bunch! :)

-Lye-

Slux
12-22-2005, 11:29 PM
I'am glad you find it usefull :)

You can find some of Vilppus articles at AWN:
http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=Columns&column=vilppu

Start from the oldest one on page 3 ...

- Slux

Slux
12-24-2005, 05:02 PM
Hi
More skulls :D I have used different references for those. Its always good to learn from more sources than just one. If you take a closer look you will discover that all skull diagrams/photos etc look different just as all human skulls are different - for example someone has a large chin someone pointy or rounded etc so I always make sure that I have enough sources to learn from :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic030-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-24-2005, 09:11 PM
Slux,

Good to see your studies. :)

One thing I have been meaning to suggest to you is to try drawing in an alternate manner, namely, by coating paper with sanded charcoal stick dust onto reasonably good white drawing paper (large format) and using a white plastic eraser to erase out the lights.

Example of drawing paper (http://www.dickblick.com/zz103/04/)


(http://www.dickblick.com/zz229/21/) Example of Charcoal Stick (http://www.dickblick.com/zz229/21/)

Example of Sandpaper (You'd want Fine Sandpaper) (http://www.dickblick.com/zz349/16/)


http://www.shoplet.com/office/limages/ESTD0612.JPG White Plastic Eraser

http://www.officedepot.com/pictures/sk/md/930248_sk_md.jpg Exacto Knife

The exacto knife is used to occasionally cut off the blunted end of the eraser to give you a nice, sharp edge with which to erase lights from your charcoal coated paper.


I have some stuff from school that I might be able to post later to better demonstrate this technique, which I think is great for learning how to loosen up and to explore value in drawing ~ it's also a good transitional technique because it sort of bridges drawing and painting.

Pretty busy with the holidays, but will try to post some stuff sometime soon. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-24-2005, 09:25 PM
Okay, I've found an example, but it's a bad photocopy of a really old piece that's not figurative, so bear that in mind. ;) But it shows basically what I mean:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20Slux/erase-method.jpg

In this case, I used charcoal pencil as well to establish basic lines / etc. but for the most part this is just a tone drawing.

Basically, this method is really simple ~ you just leave the tone as your midtone / darks, and erase out your lights. It's a really effects little drawing technique, and lends itself nicely to painting. :)

At any rate, just a suggestion. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
12-26-2005, 10:36 AM
Hi Rebecca
Hmm not bad at all :D heh actually I have tried something like this some time ago but only with eraser not with knife and it turned out to be well quite a mess .... but I quess its just me, I need more practise.
But anyway I was thinking that I should rather focus more on learning anatomy now and less on redering so I guess I will try to work digitaly for a while that could (or may be not) speed up my rendering a bit (I would also like to use my new tablet bit more) and than I guess I will try to focus more on line drawing ... because that way I can draw very quickly and its more than enough for learning purposes ... after all I don't think that students of medicine do shade their anatomy sketches :D ...

- Slux

Slux
12-26-2005, 07:51 PM
Here are another skulls :) ... this time done digitaly in PS.
I kind of enjoy to paint digitaly ... its quite relaxing ....
Oh and btw no reference used these are done from memory

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic031-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 01:00 AM
Slux,

Very cool! :) You ever going to try a different part of the skeleton than the skull? :scream: Kidding you, of course ~ it's great to see this work! I can see you're becoming quite comfortable with your tablet...doesn't take long for the addiction to set in. :)

Looking forward to seeing more good stuff! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
12-27-2005, 10:02 PM
Slux,

Very cool! :) You ever going to try a different part of the skeleton than the skull? :scream: Kidding you, of course

you don't like my lil skulls? :cry: heh just kidding .. no worries :D there will be a plenty of bones in future ... and some flash too (at least I hope so :) )
anyway here is something different just for you :)
heh actually I wasn't in mood for anything serious today so at least few scribbles

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic032-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
12-27-2005, 10:11 PM
LOL! Good to see the Slux has a sense of humor. :p

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
01-11-2006, 09:23 PM
Hi
It has been a while since I have posted ... hmm never mind here I'am again :)
Ok I have thought I will take a break from all these skulls (but not for a long of course I'am planing some interesting projects hehe)
So here is some horse anatomy study ... I use Atlas of Animals Anatomy for artists for these.
I guess that I will try to post more diverse stuff because doing just one thing may be quite boring after a while and result is that I slow down ... doing more diverse stuff keeps me going and thats good :)

First picture is just a little warm up for more detailed picture below

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/horses/pic004-2-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/horses/pic004-1-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
01-11-2006, 09:44 PM
Slux,

Great to see you back! :)

Your technique is beautiful, and I particularly admire the drawing of the horse's body. I think perhaps the head / neck is too large ~ in a way, like 2 separate animals? But overall I think this is a really great piece. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
01-12-2006, 11:45 AM
To Rebecca:
Hi I'am glad you like it :) and I know its not perfect oooh but anyway I have changed my opinion about technical mistakes a bit ... I try to not to be concerned with them that much because you will make them anyway heh ... just draw and they will disappear with time.
Purpose was to get familiar with horse body little more and I think that in these terms it was not bad .... I will work on details later ... I guess you will see quite a few horse studies from me in future :)

One think a was thinking about quite a lot lately is that I really really really need to balance what I do. What I'am talking about is
Practise vs Theory
Drawing from references vs Drawing from imagination

I strongly believe that you need to balance it in right proportion in order to be successful.
I spent to much time on theory and not enough time on practise so I need work on my practise little more but not abandon theory of course ... just find right balance

Same its with my Drawing from references vs Drawing from imagination
I draw from references too much and not enough from imagination and that not good ... again I have to balance it.
Because if you draw only from references than you will be probably surprised how bad your works would be without it and you will be doomed to work only with references and you will lack that freedom when you can draw whatever you want and don't need bunch of references and its also much more fun to draw from imagination.

But in other hand if you draw only from imagination you will be walking in your own footsteps and you will forever walk in circles.

So best way is to balance it because I believe this way you will progress much faster than if you use only whatever of these two and we all want to progress quickly don't we?

Ok so here are some pictures from my imagination - some medicine-mans

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic033-1-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic033-2-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic033-3-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
01-12-2006, 03:53 PM
Heya Slux, :)

I understand your thoughts, definitely! But before you turn your back to Master Copies take a look at Erich / El Chief's thread:

Anatomy Thread of Erich Schreiner (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297560)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297560

He's done about 100 Master Copies (and still going) and I think has improved a lot because of them.

And, by the way, of course everything I say is only suggestions. Forgive me if I get pesky! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
01-12-2006, 05:16 PM
I understand your thoughts, definitely! But before you turn your back to Master Copies

Hey I didn't say I won't use references or that I won't do any master copies :) I just said that I need to balance it that means do both. Aaah don't worry I experiment quite a lot and there is so many things I wan't to do ....

Hmm here is another picture. I have tried some painting in PS too ... Ohh well I have to work on it more I guess ... colors don't look good to me .... hmmmmm

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic033-4-small.jpg

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic033-5-small.jpg

Slux
01-12-2006, 08:09 PM
to Rebbeca:
I have just visited that thread you have pointed me to .... really nice stuff I must say.
And another thing I have to say is that I have absolutely no doubt that master studies are really great way how to learn ... actually I have been thinking about them lately too ... heh I guess my problem is that I'am too much a perfectionist .. well it depends when it comes to learning than yes but in other situations not really ... but I try to deprogram myself from this kind of thinking because it doesn't do me much good :)
What I'am trying to say that I was planing to do master copies later when I will be more skilled in anatomy and other things so I could study it in more depth if you know what I mean ... because if you know anatomy well than its much easier to know what to look for ..... hmmm but anyway I just constantly jump from thing to another so no big deal ...
I will do some master copies soon I promise :)

Btw I have ordered some art books from amazon recently (but I don't have them yet) ... one of them is Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters: 100 Great Drawings Analyzed, Figure Drawing Fundamentals Defined

So I quess it could be quite helpful :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
01-12-2006, 08:22 PM
Heya Slux, :)

Glad you got a chance to see Erich's thread! I think the two of you have quite a lot in common in terms of motivation and method of working ~ both of you being quite skilled in traditional drawing, and both working hard traditionally before tackling digital work more in~depth. I really think the both of you are on the right track in this regard. :)

Learning the underlying anatomy ~ eg, the bones, muscles, etc. and learning how to do figure drawing are related to one another, but actually two quite different things in a number of respects. It may seem ludicrous that they are different, but they are. I think the best way to ultimately learn how to draw the figure is to tackle master copies simultaneously with anatomy studies of bone and muscle. Let's say you spent 5 years learning just the underlying Anatomy of the Human Body. It wouldn't mean that you would come out knowing how to do figure drawing necessarily.

So I guess the thing I'm trying to say is, BOTH figure drawing and anatomical studies are kind of combined in doing Master Studies. It's great to hear that you've ordered that book, because I think it will really help you learn how to do figure drawing ~ and it contains anatomical plates as well (in the back). :) I think if one hypothetically spent 5 years doing master copies vs. 5 years doing drawings from Reference of the nude figure, one would come out as a better artist.

But it's always nice to mix things up, and do a combination of Master Copies, Life Drawings, Drawings from Imagination, and Drawings from Reference. So I think you're definitely on the right path! :wip: And, as always, it's great to see your enthusiasm and dedication. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-12-2006, 08:48 PM
By the way Slux, :) I wanted to add that I completely know where you're coming from in the way that I *think* you are thinking of some things ~ I used to be the same way ~ where I thought I had to know everything about one thing before proceeding to another ~ hence my obsession with drawing ~ :D ~ but if it means that you never reach the next logical stage, eg, in my case, painting, then it's not necessarily the right way to go about things. I'm not saying that anything you're doing is remotely wrong ~ please don't get that idea, I'm not saying that at all. :) I'm just mentioning that it's easy to get stuck into the trap of believing that you have to know EVERYTHING about one approach or method without just experimenting a bit more with something else, and then you never move forward.

Just a thought. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

erilaz
01-13-2006, 01:30 AM
The horses have come up great slux. You've actually managed to capture the feel of the short hair on the second one. Incredible job.

Slux
01-13-2006, 11:59 AM
I think if one hypothetically spent 5 years doing master copies vs. 5 years doing drawings from Reference of the nude figure, one would come out as a better artist.

Yeah actually I believe you are right ... of course its nice to study anatomy but its not everything ... there is of course much more than anatomy :) after all there is a lot of folks around who haven't study anatomy itself at all and yet they are very talented ...

I'm not saying that anything you're doing is remotely wrong ~ please don't get that idea, I'm not saying that at all.

Hey no worries I'am always interested in opinions and advices of others ... of course there are always more and less effective ways how to do things .... and I'am interested in new ways how to do things, how to look at them and I'am open to new ideas and I believe thats one of the things that helps me to progress much faster.
I have noticed many times that some people endlessly defend their opinions what may not be really that great and as a result they just slow themself down .... of course that doesn't necessary means they are completely wrong it just may not be very effective way how to do things so it always nice listen to more experieced artists and learn from them ...

Btw I may sometimes say some things and do something completely different ... that may be probably because of some of my bad habits :) you can't really get rid of them overnight even if I like to believe I can haha :)


The horses have come up great slux. You've actually managed to capture the feel of the short hair on the second one. Incredible job.


Hey I'am glad you like it :) Right now I work on skinned version heh ...
btw about that hairs well that wasn't really much intention heh I guess its partly because of texture of paper and partely because of texture of my drawing board .


Ok here is my new drawing. No reference used at all.
But I must say that I have been influenced by master copies in Erichs thread ... because as I was looking at them I have realised that some of my works miss a certain elements

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic034-small.jpg

-Slux

Rebeccak
01-13-2006, 12:03 PM
Hi there, Slux, :)

Thanks as always for the thoughtful and considered responses. I always enjoy reading your posts. :)

I can see the influence of Erich's work in your piece. :) I think both of you are really driven. It's always nice to see that kind of motivation.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
01-13-2006, 06:49 PM
Ok here is my first master copy of Michalangelos work :)

Anyone know some links where I could get some master drawings that are suitable for studying purposes?
I already know about this site http://www.wga.hu/index1.html
any other tips?

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic034-1-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
01-13-2006, 07:02 PM
Slux,

Great to see this! :) Will take a better look later on today. :thumbsup:

A very slow site, but rich in information and hi~res images:

http://www.artrenewal.org/

Various drawing resources:

http://www.figuredrawings.com/

Rubens Online Exhibiton:

http://www.metmuseum.org/special/Rubens/rubens_view_6.asp?gallery=2

The books I recommended to Erich and which I would recommend to anyone are:

"Anatomy Lessons From The Great Masters" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823002810/002-3325844-7329607?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance), by Robert Beverly Hale and Terence Coyle - Watson Guptill, publisher

Entire Master Draughtsman Series of Paperback Books: (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=br_ss_hs/103-2497184-1739012?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above%26dispatch%3Dsearch%26results-process%3Dbin&field-keywords=Master+Draughtsman+Series&Go.x=15&Go.y=5&Go=Go)
Great books because they are cheap, light, and great for copying from, as you will not be concerned about destroying the book ~ they are really instructional devices, more than anything else.
(to find: run search for "master draughtsman series" on Amazon.com).

The other thing I would always recommend would be to run a Google searh on the "*artist's name*" + drawing.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-13-2006, 07:06 PM
Here also is a list of Renaissance artists whose work you might Google:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2930558&postcount=2

And of course you may wish to check out this thread:

Master Copies - Post Your Copies From The Great Masters! 2D/3D D/T DRWG/PTG/SCULPTURE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257446&highlight=Renaissance+artists)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257446&highlight=Renaissance+artists

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-14-2006, 02:55 PM
Slux,

I think you might really enjoy seeing Icey's work:

Anatomy thread of Icey (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=308208)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=308208

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Slux
01-17-2006, 11:45 PM
Hi
Uf I have been little busy lately ... lots of drawings and reading :) really no kidding hehe well but nothing really interesting to post ... lots of various sketches and stuff like that

To Rebbeca:
Thx for links I will check it out for sure

Hmm here is one copy of Burn Hogarth work ... well I guess I can call it master copy :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic035-1-small.jpg

I draw really a lot lately ... more than ever before ... somehow I enjoy it quite a lot and I try to draw from memory as well ... and I really try to think about what I'am drawing so for example here are few of sketches I have drawn from memory ... you may notice that last three are based on the study above .... yeah I know far from perfect but drawing from memory is not easy :)

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic035-2-small.jpg

- Slux

erilaz
01-18-2006, 12:03 AM
Great dynamic poses Slux.

Slux
01-19-2006, 05:30 PM
Great dynamic poses Slux.
Thanx :) Yeah I try to work on how to make my poses more dynamic and also more 3D I think I'am getting slowly better or at least hope so


Ok here are some of my head studies I have done today ... they are copies from Hogarths book I guess I can call it master study ... but I got two books from Hale yesterday and on of them is Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters: 100 Great Drawings Analyzed, Figure Drawing Fundamentals Defined .... soooo I will post some studies of old masters later but for now I guess I will stick with mr. Hogarth for a while ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic036-1-small.jpg

Here are more head studies this time from memory ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic036-2-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
01-19-2006, 05:54 PM
Nice work, Slux! :) Great to see these studies, and I'm thrilled to hear you've gotten a lot of new books! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Zapan
01-19-2006, 08:29 PM
Hey Slux ,
Wow , awesome sketches , we can see all the hard work you puttin' in :thumbsup:
Humble respects :surprised
I really like these last ones , very dynamic , and the face studies are just great !
Droppin' by for cheering :)
can't wait to see more studies from you .

cheers,

Slux
01-20-2006, 12:11 PM
Hi
Thx Rebbeca :)

To Zapan: Hi thx I'am glad you like it, btw I have seen your anatomy model .. really nice work :thumbsup: ... and here are more studies from Hogarth

bwt does anyone have a idea why he draw only 2 pairs of abdominal muscles ... there should be three right? ... simplification may be? ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic037-1-small.jpg

- Slux

Slux
01-20-2006, 10:11 PM
Here are more copies of Hogarth

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic037-2-small.jpg

- Slux

Lyneran
01-20-2006, 10:55 PM
ei slux! nice work your hogarth studies are getting better with each render :) i really like your last updates, although i think the leg of the one at the top (from the last post) is a little short and thin in relation to his body. err.. but i'm still studying the head so i could be mistaken, maybe it's from the perspective or something. well anyway, definitely keep them coming :thumbsup:

Slux
01-21-2006, 08:28 PM
to Lyneran:
Thx yeah you are probably right about that leg it looks a bit odd heh :) I will work on that :arteest:

Ok here are another Hogarth studies

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic038-small.jpg

And here is one horse picture :) my cousin asked me today to draw a horse for her ... she need it to school dunno why .. so here it is

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/horses/pic005-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
01-21-2006, 08:55 PM
Slux,

It's great to see you doing all of these Hogarth studies! That last set is really impressive, it seems as though you're really starting to understand his particular vocabulary more. :)

Sweet of you to do a drawing for your cousin...I hope she doesn't claim it as hers...:D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
01-26-2006, 08:06 PM
Thx for kind words Rebbeca

----------

Hi
I haven't posted anything last few days so I have thought I will post something now and say why I haven't posted anything.

I have decided to make same changes in my drawing practise.

First I think that what quite often slows me down greatly is very tight rendering, it takes too long, its usually unnecessary becasue quite often I like my more loose pieces more and sometimes difference in quality in more loose vs more tight pieces is not that big but there is great difference in time and often more quality in tight renderings is just not worth the time.
But main reason is that I try to constantly remind myself that I need to focus on learning not on producing nice pictures ... I will have plenty of time to produce nice pictures later after I "master" basic skills.
And tight rendering really is not good for me because if I want to draw and learn something than my mind has to be sharp and I have to always analyse what I'am doing the problem is that when start rendering its too much work and there really isn't much to think about and becasue I always like to think about something my mind just start to think about something completely irrelevant and than its just me sitting there moving my hand with pencil and thinking about whatever .... hmm not very educative
If I want my mind to stay sharp than rendering has to be fast because rendering itself of course require thinking about lights and shadows but if it takes to much time than your mind get bored quite quickly well at least my does.

So what I'am trying to say is that lot of my drawings I produce now are probably not that much interesting for others to see but they have a great value for my study. Because of that I my post less pictures but that doesn't mean I draw less actually opposite is true becasue if I spent less time on rendering than my mind is more sharp and I can draw for longer periods of time becasue its not that boring. So I draw more than anytime before now. Well so conclusion is expect less posts (probably but who knows)

Now something about my current system
For my personal purposes I have divided my drawing into 5 levels (but there are some sub-levels)
- Drawing from imagination
- Drawing from references
- Drawing from life
- Master study
- Anatomy Study

I try to make sure that I work at least on 2 but rather 3 levels every day
and than that I draw on all levels every week.

Well and now some pictures. Just a few from these that I have drawn in last few days.

Here are some pictures from my imagination. As you may notice they are shaded but thats ok when I draw from imagination because that force me to think about lighting quite a bit and also when I draw from imagination than shading is usually pretty quick becasue its more simple and I don't have to check out reference all the time.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic039-1-small.jpg

Some small sketches from imagination. These are quite small and they are quite easy to produce so I can draw them in large numbres. Its nice practise and I enjoy it quite a lot because its fun

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic039-2-small.jpg

Pictures from references. This is another usefull exercise. I would like to be a successful designer and as Feng Zhu said (and he knows what he is talking about) good designer should create a visual library in his/her head - that means you should know really a lot about world around you becasue after all most original ideas comes from nature - that means breaking down some natures designs/ideas and than cobine them to create something new and exciting.
So what I like to do is visit some of these servers for photograpers where I can find some new interesting photos every day than I just pick out some of them and draw whatever seems interesting to me.
Here are few examples what I have been drawing lately
http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic039-3-small.jpg

Ok and here are few of my anatomy scribbles. I have got 4 new books few days ago - mostly about anatomy so there is a lot of interesting reading and studying for me.
As you can see these anatomy studies are not very interesting so I don't think I will post most of them ... but they are very educative.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/practise/pic039-4-small.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
01-27-2006, 06:14 AM
Slux,

Whew, that was a mouthful! :) Took me a while to kind of digest what you wrote, but sounds like you've done a lot of great thinking about your approach to study! :)

Frankly, I don't mind at all if you post looser studies here...I was never a fan of rendering myself, and frankly feel the same way about painting sometimes as you do about rendering with pencil...I prefer traditional drawing in the style which I was taught, which is more about gesture and calligraphic line weight, than painting really in any medium, I have to say. With fast (traditional) drawings you do stay sharp and on your toes, or you will make an irrevocable mistake. With painting or rendering, your brain can often go on auto~pilot, and your (meaning, anyone's) results may not be what you wanted. So I understand entirely where you're coming from.

Do you have Vilppu's Drawing Manual? I can't recall, my apologies...but he teaches drawing from the standpoint of keeping things loose and gestural ~ it's the thing you're really looking for, I think.

Hmm, sometimes it is easier to show than to tell, eh? Have you considered going to school for art?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
01-27-2006, 11:59 AM
Hi
Yeah I do have Villpu's drawing manual :) I have a lot of books its my hobby to collect them hahaha hmm actually I have quite a few great books that I haven't paid attention they deserve ...
And yeah I agree Vilppu is really great I have read only a few first pages and even that greatly influenced the way I construct my figures ... I will definitely spent much more time with that book ... but as I have said I have a quite a few great books and there is so many things I want to do/study but it takes soooooo much time ... because just to read/draw through one book about drawing may takes months (if you take it seriously and I do) and btw thats main reason why I have decided I have to simplify my rendering its the conclusion I have made after all these hogarth studies ...

Yeah I have been thinking about schools quite a lot ... its not easy in my country becasue there isn't much schools that deal with this. I would have to move somewhere else and pay quite a lot of money and even then I'am not sure I would be happy with quality of teaching actually after all these years in schools I must say that I don't like schools at all or rather way they teach. For me personaly self teaching works best. Some people prefer when others tells them what to do but I prefer to find my own ways ... that always force me to think about what I'am doing and to do it better next time nad I believe that if you learn this it will stick with you for rest of your live ... I have noticed that some folks (not all of course but there is a quite o few of them) don't think much about what they are doing and just wait when others tell them what to do, they attend a school and expect others to learn them whan they need to know and that others will force them to do amount of work that they wouldn't otherwise do. Well it may work for them but some of them may discover that after they leave school they are kind a lost, no one tells them what to do, no one force them to work. I believe its what Psychologists call external motivation - it works but its always temporary - if you want to be motivated for rest of your life its important to be your own motivator becasue thats permanent.
I'am not saying that schools are bad or anything self-teaching and schools both surely have their advantages and disadvantages and good students will be good even in bad schools and bad students will be bad even in good schools.
For me personaly it would ment to much trouble to visit school - money, time, moving to somewhere else etc.

So I will have to do it myself and I'am fine with that because thats my prefered way anyway. So my teachers are Loomis, Vilppu, Hogarth, Hale, Bridgeman ..... some talented folks on the boards, myself and nature of course :)
And I have no doubt I will make it because after all as they say "If you say you can or can't you are right".
So for me personally its as Morpheus said "Its not matter of hope its just matter of time"
:wise:

Huh to much writing lately ... at least I train my english hehe :)
- Slux

Rebeccak
01-27-2006, 12:31 PM
Slux,

Hmm, I understand about schools, and that's up to you...I would recommend getting a few DVDs to mix with your books ~ lots of great ones out there, Queensoul just linked a bunch of fine art DVDs in the References thread which you might want to check out. :)

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3193106&postcount=66

Speaking as a devil's advocate, a good school will push you at a faster pace, but these days there's a lot online as you know of which to take advantage...I think a big thing I would recommend for you which might break you out of the monotony of drawing is trying painting more often too...you might want to experiment a bit with the free version of ArtRage, or the paid version is only $20 ~

http://www.artrage.com/

Lots of people like this really cool painterly application, and the cheap paid version I've heard is really nice. I think it might be helpful for you in terms of loosening up generally, as the paintstrokes you can get are really tactile and look like real paint.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 09:51 PM
If you haven't already, you should totally join the Challenge!

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/enter.php

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
03-01-2006, 09:59 PM
If you haven't already, you should totally join the Challenge!

Hehe no I haven't yet but thats what I have been thinking about whole day :) ... I will try to come up with some concept. Althought I must say that I don't have any experience with creating whole pictures like drawing backgrounds lol ... well another reason why I should try it :)

- Slux

Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 10:01 PM
It would be a great experience, even if just for fun! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

enz
08-20-2006, 01:14 AM
Hey slux you are doing an amazing job. It is really inspiring to see the improvements in your work. Like you I've started late at drawing (19) but have always been interested in it. Good Luck with your studies , I'll try and keep in touch.

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