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hzoppetti
09-22-2005, 01:16 AM
Here are a few drawings from my Life Drawing class. All are done in traditional pencil media. What do you think?

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w1a5p5.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w5a2_1.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w5a3_1.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w6a2_1.jpg

Rebeccak
09-25-2005, 05:25 PM
Annemee,

Wow! For whatever reason, I forgot to reply to this thread, but I did see it. Great work here, I am really impressed! Can you tell us a bit about your bkgrd and training?

Definitely post more of your work!

By the way, :) I just posted this (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2678068&postcount=24) in the the Announcements (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=258100&page=1&pp=15) thread. Basically, in order to keep things streamlined, I'd like to have people name their personal threads according to the same naming convention. As such, might I have permission to change the name of your thread to:

Anatomy Thread of Annemee

? Thank you, :)

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
09-25-2005, 07:49 PM
Thank you for your comments :) Right now I am taking classes at Art Institute Online. These are from my recent Life Drawing class. I have some other things I have been working on, but have just been too lazy to resize and post them up :)

Please feel free to change the name on my thread.

Here are some more from that life drawing class:

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w4a3.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w5a3_2.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w5a4_3.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w5a4_4.jpg

BrutalMonk
09-25-2005, 07:53 PM
Wow! Niceeee! Congrat u are talented! Great works!! :bounce:

Rebeccak
09-25-2005, 07:58 PM
Annemee,

No problem! Sorry I didn't get to your stuff sooner...but I am thrilled that you will be keeping something of an art journal here, it will be really fun to see your progress as you move through your course! :)

Your work here is very impressive, and it will be cool to see where your course takes you! Thanks for posting here!

I have to admit to being really curious as to how things are run through your online course ~ when you do life drawings online, is there a tutorial given with photos provided, then instructor feedback? Since I am trying to do something similar here on the Forum with the Open Figure Drawing Workshops, and as well with my upcoming CGWorkshop, I admit it would be really interesting to know. ;)

Links to the Open Figure Drawing Workshops (OFDWs), by the way, can be found here:

Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)
(see post #3)

I hope you will join us sometime when you get a break from your other studies! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
09-26-2005, 03:22 AM
Thanks again :) My class has been over for a while, but here is a -sorta- brief summary:

The classes are very different than land based schools...mainly in the personal time and dedication needed. Each course is 5.5 weeks, and participation is required 5 of 7 days. By participation I mean, attendance and meaningful contributions to the discussion threads for the week (either on lecture content, or critique of works by other students). While each class is different, the life drawing class goes something like this:

Lecture is to be read in the beginning of the week, and is presented online. Along with lecture, there is alot of reading from the selected text books. Then discussion threads are started based on the theory presented. Lots of assignments!!! Timed practice sessions and detailed anatomy drawings mostly. These are all "on your own" meaning, you do them, scan or digitally photograph, then post to the appropriate thread. There is little direction givin by the teacher. Other students comment etc. The "teacher" is really more of a facilitator, and doesnt really do a whole lot of teaching. More just offering guided critiques of works, and answering a few questions that come up.

The classroom itsself is asyncronous, meaning, while there are still deadlines for assignments, there is no set class meeting time, which makes it great for working folks :)

Alot of the assignments in this class were to copy illustrations out of Peck's Atlas of Human Anatomy. Others were figure studies, usually timed. In my experience, I found that alot of students have a really hard time keeping up with the assignments and attendance. (which unfortunately makes it hard for the students that are keeping up, to comment and participate) But the advantage to the forced participation is that all the students really help each other with tips and tricks for improvement. The teacher in a way does also, but is more a passive pressence than anything.

Its not a perfect system, in fact its very flawed...however, for students dedicated to learning mostly on their own, and putting in a good bit of time doing so, its a pretty good way of doing things. For working adults, such as myself, it is a perfect way to attend college classes from the comfort of home. Its also great for people that already have a degree in something completely different (for example Computer Science (me!)) and are looking to make a career change without giving up on their life to become a full time college student again.

Honestly, I often wonder about the program, and the quality of students...but for me, its fun and convienient, I think I am growing in my art, and so, its great for me :) I would say I have learned alot from it (almost as much as I have learned lurking around these forums ;))

hzoppetti
09-26-2005, 03:25 AM
Here are some of the earlier assignments for the class (mostly anatomy drawings from Peck)

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w2a2.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w2a3.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w3a2_1.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w3a3_1.jpg

Rebeccak
09-26-2005, 03:44 AM
Annemee,

Thanks greatly for your detailed comments and description of your online coursework...as you can imagine, it's really interesting for me to hear, as it helps me to figure out the best way to run online Workshops as well. :)

Your work really shows the hard work and dedication you put into your class...I am really super impressed, and it's really encouraging to see that this kind of quality work can be the result of an online course. It's actually not surprising, given all of the great work that I have seen come out of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop ~ in fact, in some ways, I think the online format actually has a number of advantages over a live class, though of course there are many disadvantages as well. I think the advantage is getting to see everyone's work and having the ability to save it along with lectures / demos, etc. I don't have any pictorial record (eg, photographs) of my art school career, and I think having the ability to look at notes ad infinitum is a huge bonus feature of distance learning, as it is somewhat blandly called.

May I ask, which career are you looking to transition into? Being an artist, animator, modeler ~ or some combination? :) It is interesting to know. You do know about the CGWorkshops (http://workshops.cgsociety.org/) ~ they are adding more and more courses (the program is relatively new) ~ but if you were interested in things like Maya, etc., these might be good courses for you as well. I am excited to be teaching my first CGWorkshop starting Oct. 3, and in truth, it is structured much like the course which you took. That is why it is really exciting for me to see the quality and level of work which you have created for your course. :thumbsup: Very cool to see!

It's great to have you aboard, and if you have any suggestions for how we might improve / add to the Anatomy Forum, I am always open to suggestions.

Great work, and I hope to see more! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
09-26-2005, 05:18 PM
Thank you :)

I am looking to possibly focus on computer animation. But at this time, I am doing a Game Art and Design degree...I may switch once I get a good reel set up for admissions to the MFA program in computer animation.

I have checked out the workshops here, and they all look really great! However, with my current school expenses, its just not possible for me to do at this time. I do love all the knowledge that I have gathered from the collective experience here though. This community is a fantastic resource!

Its funny, but I must admit, the best thing about working online from home is: the ability to listen to my favorite music while working on my assignments in my pj's!

Rebeccak
09-26-2005, 05:24 PM
Annemee,

You're welcome! ROFL, the bit about the pj's is pretty true. :) Much luck in your pursuit of an MFA, I've been in my own program (part~time) forever, and I may graduate in 200 years with any luck! :)

For drawing/painting practice, definitely check out our Open Figure Drawing Workshops here on the Anatomy Forum if you haven't already done so (I may have mentioned it, but I'm getting senile, lol!) ~ they're free and a lot of really great work is being done there. New nude drawings are posted every 2 weeks, and you may use whichever digital or traditional medium you choose to draw or paint from the model. Hope you can join us! :) We are currently in the 2nd week of OFDW 004.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
09-30-2005, 02:35 AM
I know what you mean about the part time thing! If I continue in the same schedule of classes, I will graduate in oh...12 years or something rediculous like that. Good luck with your studies!

Heres to both of us someday finishing! KONBAE!! :beer:

Rebeccak
09-30-2005, 03:15 AM
Annemee,

ROFL, I know...I knew I wanted to be a life~long learner, but I didn't think that it would be all at one place!!! :eek: :scream:

Cheers, :beer:

~Rebeccak

Slux
09-30-2005, 07:27 PM
Hi Annemee
You have some really nice work here ... especially those anatomy drawing are really good :). Ohh and btw I hope you like your online school. I have just finished my school recently and it has nothing to do with art either so I study on my own just as you :) ... hmm its fun I'am glad that there is this forum it helps me too be more motivated.
Good luck with your drawing ... so far it looks really good :thumbsup: ...

- Slux

hzoppetti
10-04-2005, 11:34 PM
Slux, Thanks for your kind words :)

What type of education did you get? Did you complete it online?

Slux
10-12-2005, 10:59 PM
Slux, Thanks for your kind words :)

What type of education did you get? Did you complete it online?

Hi
hahaha ... ehmm no it wasn't online :) It took me 4 years to finish and it was branch electrotechnics it has nothing to do with art unfortunately and I didn't like it at all ... to much math for my taste :) ...now I study on my own ... art not electrotechnics I don't have to see any electrotechnics theory for rest of my live lol ... I have had enough :scream:

Btw good luck with your study :thumbsup:

- Slux

hzoppetti
04-04-2006, 07:28 PM
I just started another anatomy class this week. Soon I will have new stuff to post :)

hzoppetti
04-06-2006, 01:39 AM
Did this tonight. Just getting warmed up for my new dynamic life drawing class. Feels like its been awhile!

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/ballet.jpg

Rebeccak
04-06-2006, 02:31 PM
Annemee,

Great to see new work! :) Are you taking a new class online, or is this a class in the real world? :)

I might suggest stretching your lines a bit...and really using lines expressively to establish form. I like your shading and think that you're nicely following the form ~ maybe try to break the form down a bit more and analyze it, and give it even more structure than what you may see with the model. Really looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
04-06-2006, 06:12 PM
Thanks for stopping by Rebeccak! Yup, another online class called Dynamic Figure Drawing. Really I am not quite sure what to expect.

I agree that I need to explore more avenues. During this class we are encouraged to experiment with more media and looser techniques. Instead of emphasizing the accuracy of the form, we are now supposed to incorporate our personal styles etc. It sounds like so much fun!!:arteest:

Hopefully I will be posting more often :)

hzoppetti
04-10-2006, 02:39 AM
First week back, of course one of our first assignments is the cannon of the body. Always a fun exercise. Definately need more work on heads, so I bought a new book to help me out with that!

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w1a4s06.jpg

Rebeccak
04-10-2006, 04:03 PM
Annemee,

Good to see these studies. :) I think you might want to relax your lines a bit, and try to get more rhythm and flow into the figures. Check out the master drawings of Rubens, Michelangelo, and others ~ what makes their work so beautiful in part is the sensitivity and power of their linework. I think it's definitely worthwhile to do master studies to try to emulate their amazing linework.

Can't wait to see more work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
04-10-2006, 04:12 PM
Yeah I see what you mean about the flow. We are going to be doing some master studies later in the course and I am really excited to study them! I really love what you all do in your master copies. Thanks for checking in on my thread :)

hzoppetti
04-11-2006, 02:18 AM
4 Step Standing pose. Reference: Virtual Pose 3.

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w1a5p2_5.jpg

I am really trying to concentrate more on values and less on lines...what do you think? I am supposed to have done a seated and a reclining pose as well, but I didnt have time tonight.

Rebeccak
04-11-2006, 03:12 AM
Annemee,

Really nice work with the shading and the mood on the final piece ~ the thing I would say is that the arm is really short / small relative to the body, and that her right leg could be made to look as though it is bearing more weight. But the interior shading is really quite beautiful, and I think if you block things in a bit more loosely initially and then re~evaluate the pose, you'll come up with some even better results. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
04-19-2006, 03:07 AM
Just a quick sketch, doing a master copy in conte. Not very comfortable with the medium >.<

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w3a2.jpg

Rebeccak
04-19-2006, 05:01 AM
Annemee,

One thing with master drawings to really go after when copying them is the really deliberate, side to side / back and forth nature of the strokes ~ every curve plays against every other in a sort of zig zag fashion all the way from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet. Try to think of the body as less of a mass and more of a design ~ where all the lines you create bear a structural relationship to one another.

I don't have an example to post atm as I'm away from home, but will try to remember to do so late on. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
04-22-2006, 10:16 PM
I am not too satisfied with my class at the moment...so I thought I would take a break and practice my digital painting. Here is an eye from Enayla's awesome tutorial (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=227727).

http://nabidigital.com/images/eyepractice.jpg

hzoppetti
04-24-2006, 12:06 AM
Here is a face I am working on. Kinda my first. How am I doing?

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/blackandwhite3.jpg

Here is the ref I am using. Just an ad from a magazine...she sorta looks like it...
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/refpic.jpg

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 02:38 AM
Annemee,

Really lovely work so far! You ought to take a look at Simo's black and whites, they're really along the same track:

Anatomy Thread of 99sproth (Simo) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349545)

Keep up the good work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
04-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Here is a new face that I did in about 20 mins quickly.

http://nabidigital.com/images/face.jpg

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Annemee,

I'm really enjoying these black and white studies! :)

If you have time, you should definitely check out this ongoing Workshop ~ there is just some amazing work there!

Open Figure Drawing Workshop - Rembrandt Master Copy - with Rebeccak 016 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349580&page=1&pp=15)

Enrique / DigitalSol has a great digital painting demo here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349580&page=10&pp=15). (Scroll down to post #142 where it begins).

Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
04-28-2006, 10:15 PM
Thanks Becca!

I have taken a look at the new workshop, and its really intimidating :eek: Such awesome work up so soon! After my class is over, I might give it a try :)

I really love working in values its a very different experience from line art. The tutorial is very good, but I wish it went more in depth of how to add the color. Maybe you and digitalSol can get together and make a detailed tut about how to work all those washes? :D

I just got Corel Painter! Off to play :)

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 10:19 PM
Annemee,

A great more in depth tutorial on the black white to color method can be found here:

Jealousy step by step digital bw to color painting tutorial by Steven Stahlberg (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html)

It explains things much better than I can! Take a look when you get the chance, and let me know what you think. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

YMS
04-29-2006, 02:37 AM
Your grayscale faces are impressive. You have a good likeness going with the girl in the advert. Looks like we are both learning what to do next as to how to get the colours on there! Rebecca's link should help.

(You sure have some well-crafted anatomy drawings in here, also.)

OFDW intimidating? That's why I am peeking out from the Beginners' Lounge!

Good luck playing with/using your new Painter programme.

FateBringer
04-29-2006, 02:55 AM
you've got some great work here

hzoppetti
04-29-2006, 03:29 AM
Fatebringer & YMS -- thanks for stopping by! I'll be checking out your threads too :)

Yeah, played around in painter tonight, but man it is much different from Photoshop! Definately going to have to practice some more before putting anything up.

I tried adding some color to the second face a la Stahlberg, however, maybe I just dont understand yet :) It seems that he is just using low opacity color over his grayscale? Then basically using that as a guide, then painting over it all anyway? Doing the other idea he talks about, using colorize, works for fleshy tones somewhat, but what about how digitalSol was using it to do reds and purples? -- it almost looks like the color comes from behind the grayscale, shining through it really...

-- anyway, I guess I will continue to play around with it more...here is a quick speed paint of some hands...

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/hands.jpg

Rebeccak
04-29-2006, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by Annemee: I tried adding some color to the second face a la Stahlberg, however, maybe I just dont understand yet :) It seems that he is just using low opacity color over his grayscale?
Annemee, are you familiar with Blending Modes? That's more or less what Stahlberg is doing. I think every artist works a little differently. With respect to Enrique's technique, I think he's using a combination of the blending modes and some slight overpainting. But the best way to find out is to ask him on the OFDW thread. :)

Here is a little rundown of a few of the blending modes in the layers pallette:


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Blending-Modes.gif

You may already be familiar with this, but just in case, you can toggle through the different blending modes by selecting your layer and clicking shift + =.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
04-30-2006, 11:51 PM
Here I am trying to capture a moving figure...what do you think?

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w4a4_2.jpg
http://www.nabidigital.com/images/w4a5_1.jpg

Rebeccak
05-01-2006, 04:18 PM
Annemee,

Good to see more work! :) I like the sense of movement in both ~ I think the basic gesture is coming across, and your shading is done nicely. In the upper image, I think her torso and arms are too small proportionally for the rest of the body. With the ankle areas, I would give them more 'snap', ie and more structure.

In the lower image, I think you are getting the shading, torso, and legs well, but the hands and feet seem a bit oversimplified. The right hand looks to be at an off angle.

It might be worthwhile to do a few extended hand and foot studies, where with the hands, the wrists are drawn, and with the feet, the ankles. You do a really nice job on these extended studies, and it would be nice to see some studies of traditionally difficult things to draw, such as hands and feet are.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
05-01-2006, 06:23 PM
Ack you caught me! I totally suck at feet/hands. I can do OK with them if they are the focus of my drawing, but usually they get left to the end and really dont meet up with the rest of the drawing. Why cant all models wear socks and mittens?!? :shrug:

Rebeccak
05-01-2006, 06:35 PM
Why cant all models wear socks and mittens?!? :shrug:
ROFL :D ~ that's pretty funny! :)

hzoppetti
05-11-2006, 02:34 AM
Here is my final piece from this last class. C&C please :)

http://www.nabidigital.com/images/final.jpg

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 04:53 PM
Annemee,

I like the basic gesture of this drawing ~ I think you are getting the balance rather well. :) The proportions are off, however ~ I think the legs could reasonably be matched with an upper torso / head / arms that are twice their current size. I think what is most important in an extended drawing such as this is less the finish / shading, and more the basic gesture / proportions / essence of the pose. I would recommend worrying less about a finished drawing, and more about the basic construction of the pose ~ often, construction drawings are more beautiful than final, polished pieces. :)

I hope this makes sense. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

hzoppetti
05-15-2006, 05:19 PM
Rebeccak,

Thank you sooo very much for commenting. I spent the entire last class, which was supposed to be the second level anatomy class, getting absolutely no constructive criticism! No crits at all! So yeah, I walked away feeling like I didnt learn anything. I will try to scan my reference for this last piece. She really is really muscular, I tried to focus on the legs, but I guess got carried away ;) I am taking some time right now for learning more 3-d stuff, so I havent had much time to draw lately :( I love these forums and all the help and support and great tips! Better than art school! :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 05:29 PM
Annemee,

You're welcome, I'm sorry you didn't get any crits from your class! Craziness...anyway, if any of your 3D stuff is Anatomy~related, feel free to post that here as well. :)

I don't know if you've seen this, but we have this thread as well:

3D DIGITAL ARTISTS (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257442&page=1&pp=15)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

razz
05-15-2006, 06:13 PM
That's the third ballerina drawing I see in a few days. Maybe I should make one too? :D Btw, it looks great! I like the pose and I want to see more!

hzoppetti
05-15-2006, 06:43 PM
Thanks razz! I love drawing dancers because of the great lines, awesome muscles, and beautiful poses. I'm not at home, but here is the reference for that last one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0789308657/103-8001662-8171838?v=glance&n=283155
its full of great photography!

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