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shoque
09-17-2005, 03:32 AM
Hello everyone!

In this threat we'd like to document the development of a 3D Character from scratch. The bold ambition is to develop a highly detailed Game-Character, fit for use in some upcoming Next-Generation Console Games.
So far, I've been entrusted with the design & conception.
In the beginning, we took hold of and older sketch of mine, describing an ogre who was slightly inspired by this old buddhistic tale of "Prince Five-Weapons and Sticky-Hair" (check this out: http://www.buddhanet.net/bt_5.htm)
there' that first sketch...
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_ogre.jpg


yet a bit too graphical for this purpose, I'd like to use this as a base for fleshing-out.
I started filling in my sketchbook two weeks ago at random times until I finally got to scan and post the first approaches. Any kind of comment is of course most welcome, also regarding considerations about potential upcoming difficulties for "making it 3D".

First, I focused on general appearance, proportions and shape/ "1a/1b"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_TreeBender.jpg http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_GenStudy.jpg

The antlers here became somehat more like branches, and also as the arm shaped, I found it more interesting to make the limbs look a bit more like wood, rather than skin/ "2"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_Skin%26Hair.jpg


Likewise the tale of Sticky-Hair suggests, there might should be weapons, mostly arrows
sticking all over his head. Just as the sculls around his belt, it gives a nice feel of human scale to it and as for the weapons, also some Moby Dick-like marking of a "die-hard".

Following up is a more aggressive version. Reminds a bit of a raging gorilla maybe..
apart from that I just realise that face reminds one of the 'Predator'/ "3"
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_threat.jpg

Not sure wether I like that mace better or the knife. I think it depends a bit if it is more of a savage beast or a chrotchety forest-elf with a soft spot for roasted kids.


In the next one, I focused on materials and again on getting a general shape before
going more into details....

The beard might be getting too much of a kung-fu drunken master here./ "4"


http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_MaterialsPerspect.jpg


The Hand in the middle/bottom has turned out more into that tree trunk-like shape. There should be Fingers loke roots and between them some greenish moss, so the arms would cmouflage as small trees../ "5"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_FAces%26Arm.jpg






Now here was some attention to the Face and later the arms...I already felt like drawing the same all the time. I tried to give him bigger fangs and also tried to find the right facial shape and look./ "6"
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_adornment.jpg


..yes, it's chewbacca/"7"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_chewieFace.jpg


Last for tonight, I put this very recently drawn arm and hand, which is more human, rather than tree-like again. Not sure yet../ "8"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_ArmHandDetail.jpg

I finally think that coiling root-muscles and vene-like interweavement will do. (Maybe Z-Brush?).
to be continued...

adam-crockett
09-17-2005, 05:39 AM
Fun sketches, I love ink and wash! Is that what that is? This will be fun to watch develop.

shoque
09-17-2005, 12:35 PM
Hello adam crockett,
I used only pencils and sometimes a marker to sketch, later I used a pen to ink. But I guess the sketch block paper i use gives a nice washy look as it gets scanned.
regards!

...continue.
I've been trying to get the face away from the "predator-spook" and also keeping it from becoming too ape-like. I find it difficult to get more detailed on the face by keeping the feel it has in the very first sketch. I somehow wasn't able to reach this.
here, I was hoping for the pen to do it by itself../ "9"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_kinkkongFaceStudy.jpg



>In the following sketch I put the ideas for the detail so far together in a full shot;
I tested an iroquois crown as well as a bone for the hairstyle - bone appears too big and maybe gets a bit comedic. The knife's size doesen't make much sense compared to that
arm, but the limbs I sure like.
The Face looks not so much like friendly elf no more and benefits from the fangs - still not it.../"10"


http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_BigBW.jpg

shoque
09-17-2005, 01:06 PM
...I scanned two drawings that needed editing and gave it some color with a paint program.
I've been told he is getting too cute...can't shake it../ "11"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_COLHeadShot.jpg


The beard is growing out again, away from that Fu Man Chu thing. I keep some detail, discard some other. By now I grown fond of the idea of having the ogre blending into the woods, so that you could bump right into him, first wondering why these roots in front of you move and where this sudden sharp stench is coming from...
(having him as an ambusher rather than a hunter would also go well with him, being rather short legged) / "12"



http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/COLclearing.jpg

>I return to drawing, equip him with a mace, put the bone back onto and swords into his hair again and also give him a leather apron...too find it appearing like some noelithic cave-guy../ "13"

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/drawtrough.jpg

Tamtam
09-17-2005, 01:25 PM
hey guys!
me and a friend are going to turn it into 3d as soon as we all (the thread/designer/operators) are pleased with the results.

operators criteria...

1. showcasing our skills
2. to use necessarily todays and upcoming realtime techniques
3. alot of detail

... the rest is all yours!!! =)

..regrets!

PS: somehow the beast has a cute feel to it ^_^

Goro
09-17-2005, 02:09 PM
Awesome man! :scream:
hehe no seriously I think those are one of the best sketches I've seen from you so far.
And I'm glad that you show your stuff finally.

Hope to see more! Rock on Da ShoQue!! :buttrock:

shoque
09-17-2005, 03:50 PM
>Hey, thanks Goro! How did you find here?
jep, things are cooking...see you!

"3D Division asked me to post this technical question, so if you're a passerby and might know: "How many Polygons is the average amount for a character used in a Next-Generation Console Game?"

I know about the useage of normal-maps, but it'd be interesting to know how far you can go with mere modeling..

This one is the latest sketch or rather more elaborate drawing I did. It developed out of some luckily placed strokes, unfortunately placed a bit to high up the page, so it cuts the
Antlers (who need extra treatment anyway..)
On the rather positiv side I do like: general proportions, the beard, the face, the interweavement of the wooden limbs, for which I've gladly found the time to render.
...I hope to be getting on the right way away from that "cuteness" I've been recently accused of...
So here comes tarzan, king of jungle/"14"
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/tarzan.jpg

rawwad
09-17-2005, 04:47 PM
Hey man! This is great , so many fantastic sketches you have there.
Creature looks great, I like it very much.

Keep great working! :bounce:

Propictales
09-17-2005, 08:37 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Marc... em... you are crazy! It's fantastic!

:applause:

Tamtam
09-18-2005, 05:48 PM
cool im going to start a zbrush 3d sketch of it very soon and post you some results as soon i got something!

BMunchausen
09-19-2005, 09:59 PM
These are gorgeous drawings! I especially love the ones with the pen and ink cross-hatch look.

shoque
09-19-2005, 11:02 PM
Gee, thanks a lot rawwad, Propictales and BMunchhausen, for the very kindly motivating comments!
I'll strive to and hope to keep up your interest in this. There's going to be more drawings shortly, also including some real attention to detail as well as some in-action poses. If you have any suggestions for anything, I'd gladly meet them.

Also perhaps an idea for some situation/pose you'd find suitable for a Game Character, I'd welcome it as an inspiration.
back in short-

Goro
09-19-2005, 11:30 PM
hm...I would prefer to see this as a high detailed 3D model and not as a high detail fake lowpoly model. I think this character deserves detail especially in 3D. Just my opinion.

Your last sketch rox as well!

Supervlieg
09-20-2005, 02:49 PM
Hey great work. I like the big versions you did really well.

This would rock as a game character. And while youre at it, as a hi poly version as well.

Excellent work once again!

Pureaqua
09-20-2005, 03:14 PM
hy marc!

great drawing there! i'm really very impressed.
would be great to see this ogre highdetailed in 3d. i'll be following this thread to see more cool stuff.

greetz

stefan

shoque
09-20-2005, 07:11 PM
Thank you guys! I got quite a bit on my hands again, but I'll keep this a steady progress, tough. Glad you share interest!
As you do all, I agree totally on the need for a high res/ detail 3D Model, yet I don't exactly know about dis - and advantages of using normalmaps to gain high detail.
The idea is surely not to do some quick low-poly character that doesn't meet with this level of detail.
I'd sure feel like doing some modeling myself, tough for now I stick with drawing it; and by the way, I'm not sure what my 4 year-old CPU thinks about handling a high res 3D model like this would be with acceptable performance...
we'll see!;)
First, this is some output of attention I gave to the arms and hands - needs to become more clearly defined, but I was taken away by the fun doing it/...
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/arms.jpg

shoque
09-22-2005, 09:41 PM
...hi!
It grows, already page two. Need to do something more like poses next time, just as promised, and the "3D Division" had let me know something about a upcoming first post of the modelling-progress(!!!).
There's one more detailed rendering of a hand, together with the idea for a butchering-knife. Did it with a ball-pen which surprisingly worked out very well, until it dried out...

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/Hands.jpg

Ashton
09-22-2005, 10:55 PM
I like the inky weighted feel and your confidence with hands. The face/drawing reminds me of the old witch from the movie "The Dark Crystal". It would be good to also find out the poly count for a next gen model, (as you previously posted), or indeed the method of modeling.

rawwad
09-22-2005, 11:54 PM
Hey, fantastic hands studies. Style and anatomy of hands and arms looks like tree roots.
Very great idea, I like level of details very much. :applause:

Most I like style in this sketch, looks excelent :)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4126/normalarmhanddetail5la.jpg

Nam GEE
10-04-2005, 01:41 PM
hi shoque,

great work as always, please keep them coming.
and i would love to see some more color skeches,
the few youīve made are full of atmosphere.
greets
F.

keyframekid
10-04-2005, 09:07 PM
These sketches are just fantastic...it seems like you've already got an excellent
grip on what this creature looks like from head to toe. Im interested to see some
schematics for when you start the 3d modeling process!

Nice Work !

shoque
10-20-2005, 06:47 PM
Hi and sorry for the delay! -
3D People unfortunately haven't been coming up with much recently, and I've been a bit too busy, hence this piece took me some after-work hours over the past week...

- Thanks Ashton. I also had a look for the "Dark Crystal" witch, and yes, cannot deny a
certain similarity. Pretty cool thing, need to see taht film perhaps (is that the one?):
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/bf_04_t_fa.jpg
(image above from: http://www.artistpartners.com/assets/film_animation/bf_04_t_fa.jpg)

-Thanks again rawwad, hopefully this detaill finds it way into 3D modeling. Would be a nice Z-Brush excersise, maybe.

- Merci Nam GEE! Would love to put some more atmospheric sketches next. I have to keep them but less elaborate, yet would like to put some poses or "in action" next. Juist need the time.;)

- Thanks keyframekid! Must say that some body parts still vary in the sketches, but I think they will narrow down quickly as I prepare the schematics.

Now here's the feature detail. Doesn't look like friendly forest-elf any longer, but might give
some hint for nightmare-potential, if that's what "3D-Department" is lingering for..;)

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/CloseUp.jpg

Hope to be back in a short while; M

Gord-MacDonald
10-20-2005, 07:40 PM
This is a very interesting thread. Good work!


Gord

Goro
10-20-2005, 07:55 PM
holy mother of god!
Really nice work on the last one man!

The teeth are amazing!
Keep it coming man! I'm not sure if there is time to do some sketching....
I'm really busy right now....and you seem to be busy as well. But maybe we still can manage to do some sketching together. I'll let you know!

Cheers
Goro

mickatt
10-20-2005, 08:09 PM
very nice design

looking great

Propictales
10-21-2005, 12:45 PM
errrr :eek:

What toothpaste does he (she?) use? The teeth are just excellent!

Jeremyi
10-21-2005, 10:41 PM
I'm sorry to say but i think he must use people paste...

Great! orge though I regognized the Jim Henson style right away being one of my biggest influences in my life heh, also kinda looks like Ludo from Labyrinth.

shoque
10-22-2005, 08:22 PM
Thanks a lot everyone;

Whoa, glad you like it, goro-san. Perhaps your Deer-Hunter wants to take this guy out for a ride? But he might be too sluggishly moving...
We'd sure like to drop by for doing the sketching, I think I can in general manage to take 2 days off..!

Concerning the teeth, In fact, it is not so much the paste, as you would find if you could smell that odour emerging from the gullet, but as the dentist says: nice circular brush strokes. As you mention it, he might should have some traces of peridontosis, or some rests of former meals between the gaps; )


back in short, M

urgaffel
10-22-2005, 11:07 PM
There's something about the first concepts that make me think of Ghibli... I wonder why. Anyway, it's looking great and I'm looking forward to some "action"-shots :) Keep it up!

shoque
11-04-2005, 03:22 PM
no actin-shots yet, I'm afraid...But I gladly announce there's something developing in 3D right now. I guess there'll be a new thread in the 3D WIP Forum soon!
Therefore I must deliver some Modelsheets for details such as hands...
first, hee's the sketch I startet out with for the lastone:
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/facelift.jpg


____

Hand-Sheets (analog pencil/ scanned):

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/HandBack.jpg

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/HandPalm.jpg

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/HandSide.jpg

...back in short;)
M

Goro
11-04-2005, 03:49 PM
xtrem! :buttrock:
more more!!

shoque
11-04-2005, 06:41 PM
har! goro, you got the "mordor's eye" on me, man?
thanks, but it's kind of busy atmosphere around here. I'll try to keep'em coming ;)

Rebeccak
11-04-2005, 10:17 PM
shoque,

Very nice drawings these! :thumbsup: Great work~! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

visualboo
11-04-2005, 10:44 PM
Cool stuff. I likey.

Twifler
12-07-2005, 08:53 PM
Hi there,
Excellent work!!! Great detail. :buttrock:

can`t wait to see the 3d version

Go shoque Gooo :applause:

prost!

Happy Trees
12-08-2005, 07:26 AM
Wow...

Modeling that...

Now thats an ambitious task. Good luck man.

I love your style with the pen. How much formal art training did you have.

MichaelZHsee
12-14-2005, 05:56 AM
whoa~most of the sketches on ur ogre concepts looks very nice.very welldone on the arm studies~goodjob mate:thumbsup:

Kopprsnake
12-14-2005, 11:00 AM
Nice work. I find this type of work fascinating and inspiring, and it's something I'm hoping to be able to do myself in time. It's good to see how you've developed your ideas.

beelow
12-17-2005, 08:51 AM
You have, really nice sketches dude; they are ace!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

shoque
01-24-2006, 12:32 AM
hi there.
thanks a lot to you all for your comments and motivation during this thread :)

apologees for not having added anything in quite a long time here.
3D-Model is in progress, but has not been posted yet. I do have some screenshots myself but I just exceeded my modest share of webspace with these final drawings that are about to follow...
These show a collection action poses meant for giving a clue and feel for animation, if once the creature is finally finisehd and rigged. I found nice inspiration for this within the anatomy FORUM here (thanks rebeccak:-), especially for that poses showing the ogre's backside and profile. I feel that the creature's proportions vary too much between the skteches, tough. yet the idea was to give a feel of the vitality and attitude rather than
doing a modelsheet.

>

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Misc.jpg

>



http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Dance.jpg

> some arm-swing movements, rather a dance around a fireplace in the dark lair perhaps.


http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Grab.jpg

> here the proportions just mutated; has a bit more vitality than the previous "standstillbetweenthetrees-mode" he's usually in.

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Taunt.jpg

>

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Halt.jpg

>"...just heard something ..or smelled?"



http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Charge.jpg

> another vital pose - rather raging

---
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Victory.jpg

> "GROOAAR!" victorious stance, lifting the club above the head. would maybe act like a raging berserk and sound like the "predator" or maybe king kong...



http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Push.jpg

> concentrating on the topology of the muscular back and shoulders

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Hepp.jpg


...

shoque
01-24-2006, 12:39 AM
http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_StrikeOut.jpg


..and finally...

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/_Pose_Free.jpg





> that's it for the development!

as soon as there are pictures of the 3D model I'll have them posted here or put in a link.
else I will simply paint some textures for the finished model and wait what it will turn out o be.

I thank you all very much for tuning in and accompanying this thread, was a lot fun & exercise for me :)
I hope you find time to have a look at the 3D-thread as soon as online.

have a nice day,
M

..lastly here's a mood-pic based on the original marker-drawing, once (very quickly) done by stephan,
who generously and kindly hosts all this images posted here on his website;
check out great&famous http://www.stephanart.com/

http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/00OriginalOgreS.jpg

shoque out :)

sturmkim
01-24-2006, 12:51 AM
WOW nice concept and sketches.

i'm looking forward to see 3d soon.

best
sturm

Goro
01-24-2006, 01:13 AM
These concepts really kick some major A**

Big respect buddy! I'm impressed!
:buttrock:

Kirt
01-24-2006, 01:28 AM
Marc - this is really top notch work. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, I've given this thread a front page plug. :D

stephan.s
01-24-2006, 01:33 AM
This is what I am talking about, bro! :D That is some top notch portfolio stuff! word

MichaelZHsee
01-24-2006, 01:59 AM
some very nice posture study u've got for the recent ones,and i dig the piece with colors~u sure have some serious asskicking skills here:thumbsup::thumbsup:

AzzAnt
01-24-2006, 02:51 AM
Hey! Your concept work is very good! It's great to see you've done so many, doing various studies on poses etc.

jerbille
01-24-2006, 03:15 AM
I really like your style and the work you've put on this ''Ogre''

Everybody should study bodyparts or movements of their characters before putting more time to do a single sketch.

Thats my opinion

- Sorry for my bad english *

roqsteady
01-24-2006, 04:47 AM
lordy youve got a hell of a hot hand my friend... i love the drawing of the hands those are dope well all of it dope but i like those alot

JoseHerb
01-24-2006, 05:58 AM
You should draw him in a hillariously sexy pose, insteady of just pictures of him throwing rocks and trees and being all angry. He needs to have a tender side too.

What you're doing is Amazing, keep it up.

LS Knight
01-24-2006, 06:20 AM
Except for the horn/antlers he reminds me of the Morloks from the first HG Wells The Time Machine movie. Of course this guy is a lot bigger.


Cool concept and processes.

Thanks!

Nux
01-24-2006, 06:56 AM
phenominal work, and really inspiring aswell.

it also gives a good idea of ways to approach developing a character, quite helpful!

thanks!

MVDB
01-24-2006, 07:05 AM
In this thread are some heavy detailed sketches, totaly awesome!

I love the poses in those last sketches.. Very good work..
:thumbsup:

PaLantir
01-24-2006, 07:34 AM
IS WONDERFUL!
Great job dear.
I love you creature but maybe only one things.... like we say in my country "His bottom is better than his face :P" ehehe that monster have a wonderful @ss :P ghghg

I love you concepts study and your fresh style! Bravo!

kisses
Palantir

APD-Jack
01-24-2006, 08:44 AM
EXCELLENT.. :bounce:
GREAT... :buttrock:
FANTASTIC WORK!! :thumbsup:
I love your character design. They are really nice sketches and concepts..
The only thing that bothers me is the swords that were thrusted into ogre.. Arrows are fine but swords looks too much :shrug: They can kill even this beast nomatter what huge it is..
Anyway, arrows are good idea :)

Very appreciable thread..

Thanks for sharing

Keep good working

lehmi
01-24-2006, 10:09 AM
well built character.

Don't know if it was your intention, but he somehow looks kinda cute with the proportions of head an arms. Also he has such a cute look in his eyes.

Love how you developed him!

Djampa
01-24-2006, 11:29 AM
"The only weapon you need is hidden inside you."



Wow, great buddhist tale isnīt it? :wise:
Was pleasant to read it again (I am buddhist).
I got curious about the game.
You made such a great character concept, congratulations :thumbsup:
Will the hands be like the original one (blue) ?

Really great concept keep it up! Will follow this thread sticky as the mostersīs hair *lol*:applause:

Thanks for sharing with us! :D

JPGargoyle
01-24-2006, 01:45 PM
Hey shoque (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=97592): excelent work!

It's great to see an Ogre that doesn't follow the LOTR style. Must be hard to be original in that area this days without beeing pulled by the enormous LOTR influence :)

That "monster" in some sketches looks kind of cute, so I think it would be great to see some sketches of a baby ogre, running and playing in the deep forest :thumbsup:


Best regards

flyingP
01-24-2006, 01:46 PM
OH these are really nice, beautiful sketches :thumbsup:

MFTituS
01-24-2006, 02:19 PM
thanks for showing your progress and share your designing thoughts with us.
thats, what i call good design. everything should be deliberate and make sense/ fit to the character and his environment.
your stuff rocks!!!

remcv8
01-24-2006, 03:00 PM
This is an amazing concept so far. I like the how he looked at the beginning of the thread. His horns resembled tree branches and his limbs had the detail of roots. That in mind, if this ogre were to hibernate during the cold season, he could blend in with forest surroundings, only to be awakened by a band of unknowing travelers. Very cool concept!!!


Beautiful artwork!!!

I've got my eye on you Focker!!!

-KDX-
01-24-2006, 03:57 PM
impressive how such an ugly, imposing, and messed up character can seem so gentle and inviting...I hope this is what you were going for...^^

-KDX-

TseTse
01-24-2006, 04:59 PM
hah!

i love it.

one thing: stop calling it an ogre.

i think calling it an ogre undermines your attempt to convey a new concept, because people already have strong ideas of what an ogre means (and in your case i think those ideas distract from the images)

Flog
01-24-2006, 05:55 PM
This is an endearing character. I hope you are able to bring him to life in an animation or short story of some kind.

I would love to see this guy as a good guy, maybe hunted by the "good guys" or troll hunters. I always love ugly characters actually being the good guy.

This character automatically gave me a story of a kind troll, whom the villagers hate and hire a knight to kill him. Being bad is only a point of view.

Yeah he killed a villager or 2 who came to his territory eating his food and stealing his things but wouldn't a villager do the same thing if he came to their villager and started sneaking around, breaking things and stealing food and valuables? I see this character in this predicament. Well you did get me thinking of a story, great work

Franz
01-24-2006, 06:24 PM
there you go!

pearson
01-24-2006, 09:39 PM
Very impressive work!

I think it's very interesting how you designed the eye sockets. The high brows and circular wrinkles give an innocent look to him, which makes him very simpathetic/likeable. In fact, the brows may be so high that you will have a hard time making the 3D version of him look angry without a lot of stretching.

Keep it up! :thumbsup:

Nethermind
01-24-2006, 10:02 PM
Nice. Personally i think # 12 was the most complete as a 'whole' concept sketch. Looks very nice and has such character without being too cutesy. keep it up!
Z-brush is going to bring out that great vine feeling in the arms if you decide to go that root (haha..cough.)
I just love the trunk feeling to the arms in #12. Makes the creature that much more connected to its natural surroundings.

HAL9k
01-25-2006, 01:51 AM
The concept is great. Something like a Brian Froud meets Jeff Smith (Boneville) look!

yolk
01-25-2006, 02:47 AM
I'd welcome it as an inspiration。。。。。

Propictales
01-25-2006, 09:20 AM
Wow! Nearly thought you had given up on this one! Great! :bowdown:

cb43569
01-25-2006, 01:12 PM
Those are some amazing pictures, you must draw like God himself guides your hand :applause:.
I honestly cannot wait to see this in 3D - I agree with the others that a high-poly version would be amaxing.
I'll be watching this topic!

Likesyrup
01-25-2006, 07:15 PM
thanks for sharing your process it's developing very well. can't wait to see more . When you think you willb e ready to start the 3d process i can'r wait to see it come to life.

shoque
01-26-2006, 04:46 AM
Gee thanks a lot people!
I wouldn't have dreamed this could still rise so much of your attention, since I just intended to close this conception-phase down with these last scans.
But I guess I'd like to put some more drawings very soon since there's been so much encouragement and inspiration following up. Merci.

Kirt - Thanks for the front page plug! I appreciate :)

MichaelMotion - thanx, yea I found it very helpfull to give it poses rather than
having it just standing solid.

JoseHerb - You're totally right. I shall consider that*. What worrys me is what his taste for a partner would be like?

Palantir - Grazie! The creature though acts like he doesn't give too much what people think about it's buttocks, but frankly I think he's flatterd :J

APD_JACK - Right, the swords I skiped in the later drawings, even in the original story any weapons would stick to the ogre's thick hair; still it was somewhat too much, but I now consider giving it the arrows back. Thanks!

lehmi - My '3D-Department' already critiziced the cute look early on, and I admit some heavy shifts of espression here. Still I wouldn't like him always fierce and horrible looking.
I'd rather go for potential for both - amicable and daunting ;)

Djampa - I Like the story too. Actually I found some diffrent interpretations of the story/ monster's look along the way and I intend keeping the root-like fingers, rather greenish with moss. Glad you like it!

JPGargoyle - Great idea with the baby-ogre!*Keeping it in mind! Thanks, but it's not an orc as most in LOTR but an ogre which obviously have very diffrent appearings in various cultures. But that thing I actually dreamed of :D

remcv8 - Thanks, man! I guess you caught right the atmo and attitude I had in mind!

-KDX-... yeah, actually, sort of. I guess I'd like going for that "ghibli-thing" a bit.

TseTse - Thanks for that hint. Guess I have this wide interpretation for the meaning of "ogre", as there are even some djin-like ogres in the "arabian nights". But you might be just right; yet I find not too much other denotation - it's not exactly an elf, nor a giant.
maybe troll would be a better fit? Suggestions?

Flog - Like your thinking ;) Nice idea. The creature would maybe just eat some of the villager's sheep or cattle once in a while. Guess the "friendly-forst-guy-idea" benefits from having all that skulls removed from the belt by now. Could be a moody-darker version as well. I'll think about it*. Thanks!

pearson - Merci. Should consider that...


BlasterBoy - For the beard and buildup I like "14" best, but I would go for the body-hand-proportions as well as the expression and texture in "12". Z-Brushuse is intended! thnx

HAL9k - Will have a closer look at Mr. Froud's work!


yolk - sure...let me know if you like!

Proppb..prbic..jan - didN'T :)

cb43569 - I agree, definetly should look high poly, even for game purpose. I hope you guys can push '3D-Dpt' soon :)


Luciddream79 - 3D process has already started more than a month ago. Just no post yet, I'm 'fraid. Will come soon, the Modeler has got busy hands as well right now.


-Thanks again 4 all your encouragement here; I'll reinforce this soon.
Good night.

best wishes,
M

Propictales
02-02-2006, 08:49 AM
Glad you didn't! ;)

ClausSimonsen
02-02-2006, 06:32 PM
TseTse - Thanks for that hint. Guess I have this wide interpretation for the meaning of "ogre", as there are even some djin-like ogres in the "arabian nights". But you might be just right; yet I find not too much other denotation - it's not exactly an elf, nor a giant.
maybe troll would be a better fit? Suggestions?


I like "troll." But there's also "Forest/Tree Demon/Daemon," "Titan," "colossus," or something of that nature.

Troll is best in my opinon though as this is the definition:

A supernatural creature of Scandinavian folklore, variously portrayed as a friendly or mischievous dwarf or as a giant, that lives in caves, in the hills, or under bridges.


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Or you could just call him a monster.

shoque
02-08-2006, 01:09 AM
Okay, let's call it 'Troll' from here on!
Latest Version that occupied me several hours.
It shows the baby-versoin (or maye sprout) hiding in the thicket.
It might will take it a couple of hundred years until it's fully grown, just tree-like.
(Hope you find this JPGargoyle*, thanks for the idea!:wavey:!)

There's gonna be one more to come, promise.

M
...http://www.stephanart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/JuvenileTroll_beta.jpg

Goro
02-08-2006, 06:07 AM
:buttrock:

MVDB
02-08-2006, 06:54 AM
This last sketch: amazing
Keep it up! Great thread.. :thumbsup:

Nam GEE
02-12-2006, 05:45 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: hi shoque, i like the minitroll very much. are there troll-girls also?
keep up the amazing work.
cu
f.

Squirmy
02-12-2006, 07:11 PM
this is an awesome thread. Its great to see so many scketches to develop this character. the 3d folks must really apreciate all the refrences their getting. I noticed the buchers knife is absent from the most recient scketches, I think thats a good decision. IMO he would have a club with pieces of his victims that he didnt bother to clean off, or a more makeshift knife fasioned out of bone or rock.

Propictales
02-26-2006, 12:05 AM
Oooow.... it's so sweet! :cry:

MORE! :thumbsup:

ceresz
02-26-2006, 09:23 AM
:buttrock:

What goror said, rock on dude... amazing stuff here, :thumbsup:

Cheers!

~Skurai

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